033 Warming Up: How To Prepare For Life's Challenges, The Philosophy Of Fitness Ep. 23

How do you prepare for the challenges of life? Perhaps we can once again take some lessons from the gym and learn to warm-up into the hard things. Ep. 23 of The Philosophy of Fitness.

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00:45 Bloopers and Ice Breakers

04:46 Warming Up for life's challenges

05:54 Phase 6 

12:50 Some concepts of building a warm-up that might apply to other areas of life: Some examples; this podcast, crucial conversations

17:31 Over-preparing creates fear

20:35 Finding the sweet spot

22:28 Goal-setting, planning, researching, and learning are not taking action...if you're not taking action, you're not really getting prepared

30:17 With an action bias, use the following tools to structure your "warm-ups": General To Specific, Find A Structured Minimum, 

34:10 Some tips for having crucial conversations: 1: Ask yourself (and communicate) what outcome you're hoping for right up front, 2: Give a disclaimer, If you're not sure how to express yourself or articulate, say so, let the other person know what you're feeling before you get into the details, 

47:05 Set the tone when you first embark on something new. How do you want to be, who do you want to be, practice being that person now.

50:36 How can you prepare for the unknown? Do hard things on purpose, so that when hard things inevitably come your way, you have a certain comfort level with the uncomfortable.

55:04 Your daily practices are what will prepare you for whatever future comes your way, so act accordingly.

01:01:25 Practice accepting the worst-case scenario, then work to improve from there, that way, if something bad does happen, at least you've tried to prepare and if it doesn't, you have increased confidence to try

01:04:02 A near-flawless routine

01:05:19 Some of the takeaways to being generally prepared for things; doing uncomfortable things, stretching yourself, facing fear, and having an action bias toward your "warmup" - doing these uncomfortable things is an act of love for yourself

01:07:12 The more you DO, the more you learn, then the more effective your preparation can be

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Cody (00:22):
LY network.

Tali (00:43):
So for today's icebreaker, it's less of a question.
Oh, I said so didn't I?
You did Damnit and I.
You made a face.
How?
I knew Oh man.
Okay.
Today's icebreaker.
I needed it.

(01:05):
Should I keep going?
Let's start over, but just darnit.
That was funny though.
I can put it in.
Okay.
Today's icebreaker will not be aquestion, but rather tell us
what you did for the very firsttime in your whole life today,
Cody.

Cody (01:25):
My whole life, I have never ice skated until today.
Woo.
And I'm almost 48.
Amazing.
Yeah.
So how'd I go?
Well, I was thinking about thisthat I have certain, okay.
So I was a chicken shit of achild, when I was younger.

(01:46):
I just, I was, it took me.
Man, I was probably like 13before I learned to ride a bike.
12, 10, somewhere in there.

Tali (01:55):
But you and I are so similar in this way.
Yeah.
But

Cody (01:58):
all my little truly friends, all my like little
eight year old friends were allriding bikes and I didn't have
one.
I mean, to be fair, I didn'thave one when I was little, but
still I was also terrified totry and then I never got into
skateboarding and as an adultI'm like, man, that looks fun.
I kind of wish I had, but I'mafraid to break myself learning
how to skateboard in my thirtiesor forties.

(02:19):
And so today getting out on theice, there was a little bit of
fear.
And it's kind of funny cuz whenI was a kid, I'm not sure where
the fear was as a kid, if I hadlike some mortal danger thing.
But I

Tali (02:33):
know as a, because injuring yourself was not a high
risk at the time.
Well,

Cody (02:37):
maybe, but the junior high, high school era, it was
like I didn't wanna look like afool in front of people.
Yes.
That was understandable.
The fear today, I was like, I'mgonna look like a fool.
and I don't care.
I don't give a shit about that,but I am kind of afraid of like
falling and breaking my wrist orsome shit.
And so, because when you getolder, you accumulate little
injuries and you realize thatdoing stupid shit can have

(03:00):
stupid consequences.
So yeah, that was my only feargoing in.
But I didn't fall, I mean, Ikind of fell getting up off of a
bench once that was, that waslike a four inch fall just from
the bench to the, to seating.
Oh.
So funny.
Sitting on the ice.
But I, I didn't actually fallskating, so that was good.
But I, and I wouldn't say I wasgliding, but I got to a point

(03:24):
where I could imagine what itwould be like to be gliding.
Yes.

Tali (03:26):
And this particular rink that we went around did not have
a wall.
People.
Yeah.
A wall is usually guaranteed atan ice rink, but this is an
outdoor rink that's kind of makeshifted every year.
Yep.
The wall

Cody (03:40):
is about shin hype.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So little nerve-wracking.
And you

Tali (03:44):
went around like two times without any help.
Yeah.
Amazing.
Yeah.
And you were helping me.
You were towing me.

Cody (03:51):
Yeah.
It was fun holding hands andsomeone who has had experience
sort of starting to glide alittle.
Yeah, it was great.
Yeah.
So yeah, you can teach an olddog new tricks.
Yes.

Tali (04:02):
Turns out.
Love that And there's still lotsof opportunity for falling.
We, I actually practiced fallingtoday once on purpose, once on
accident.
there's a very particular waythat we had learned on YouTube
how to get up and damn they makeeverything look so easy.
We may try again tomorrow, Iguess.

(04:23):
We'll, oh wait, no, we'll have afriend coming over for a
workout, so probably not.
We'll do it tomorrow.

Cody (04:29):
Okay.
Yeah, let's do it.
We already said we were gonna doit.
Okay.
All right.
I guess we're doing it tomorrow.
It's the motherfucking weekend.
It's the motherfucking weekendand I'm pouring tea.
if you can hear that on the mic.

Tali (04:41):
you're not like this in a corner.
No.
Yeah.
Important for clarification.
Today's topic is gonna be aboutwarming up.
And why warming up is soimportant.
Take it away, Cody.

Cody (04:54):
Well, it's interesting to try to take the philosophy of
fitness into real worldapplications, or I should say
other applications outside offitness because how do you
prepare for life's challenges?
What does a warmup look like foryou?
And I, it's funny that I tendto, oops, hitting mics.
We're sorry.

(05:15):
We're having all kinds ofdifficulties here.
So, where was I at?
It's preparing sometimes forlife when we, when we go into
notes for the show and we have aconcept that we wanna explore.
My mind always goes to this likecounterintuitive, like devil's
advocate situation.
Okay.
And today's no exception tothat.

(05:37):
So I think some of what I'mgonna talk about is like not
warming up or Ah, yes.
Perhaps the benefits of.
getting right into something.
So anyway, yeah, that's, that's,today we're gonna be talking
about warming up and how toprepare for life's challenges.
Yes.

Tali (05:54):
Well, it reminds me of just earlier today when we went
ice skating.
I can't think of a single timethat I had ever gone ice skating
and thoughtfully warmed up.
Mm-hmm.
Probably because I was under theage of 12 And you know, when
you're young and your, yourbones are dense and your, I
don't know, you're onlypotentially gonna fall from like

(06:16):
two feet off the ground.
Maybe warming up isn't soimportant, but codeine actually
took some time to warm up.
We did a lower body warmup thatwe do pretty regularly from
Phase six Fitness, which is aprogram that we have been doing
since April.
I really love it, and they'vegot a really great warmup that

(06:38):
we do each time.
We do their programming.
That's, I'd say pretty thoroughwhen it comes to joints.
Mm-hmm.
And so we did that in the whatwould you even call that?
The shed.
The shed, yeah.
Yeah.
The little, the shed where theykeep all the skates.
Yeah.
And it's not

Cody (06:52):
heated.
It's

Tali (06:52):
just a plywood shed or manned people.
They just have all the skates inthere.
Yeah.
So we

Cody (06:57):
live in a small town where there's still a lot of honor
system.
Mm-hmm.
situations.
Super cool.
When we first moved here, Ican't even begin to count how
many times we would go insomewhere and we'd buy a small
purchase and they'd be like, oh,we don't do, we don't accept
debit cards under$5, so whydon't you just take that on us?

(07:17):
You know, like, They wouldrather give it to us a free
coffee than have to pay, right.
Like their processing fee orwhatever.
Or like we'd

Tali (07:24):
forget our wallet or something and they'd be like,
sure, take it, come back when

Cody (07:27):
you can.
Yeah.
Pay for that whenever.
And that, that happened manytimes.
And for big

Tali (07:33):
purchases too.
Remember the fence poles that webought?
Yeah.

Cody (07:35):
We bought some lumber and it was several hundred dollars.
And she's like, oh, you don't,my, I think we thought we had a
ranch account there cuz we havea ranch account at several of
the out the places here and wedidn't have one there, but she's
just like, oh, I'll just takeyour name and you can stop by
and pay for it whenever.
She's like, I know where youlive, But the skating rink is
sort of like that.
So you walk into this shedthat's unmanned and unlocked,

(07:57):
it's just they open it in themorning and lock it up at night
and it's full of skates.
And then they have a littledonation box and they're like,
well if you only use the skatesonce and put'em back, then drop
five bucks.
And if you.
take'em home for the season,drop 25 bucks and here, fill out
this waiver.
But it's all just sitting there.
There's nobody's there tellingyou all that.

(08:18):
So kind of an honor systemthing.
Kind of a cool

Tali (08:21):
thing.
It is.
Cool.
You could very easily get awaywith skating for free, I'm sure.
Oh yeah.
I mean hoping that your skatesare, you know, the skates in
your size are still available,but Yeah.
Yeah, I think that's kind ofamazing.
And so we had warmed up in thislittle shed.
We did some line drills.
We warmed up our ankles cuz Iremember just skate skating

(08:41):
could be so hard on your ankles.
Oh, the other thing

Cody (08:43):
I was gonna mention is it was 15 degrees.
Oh yeah.
Outside and in the shed.
Like it's 15 degrees.
It was effing cold today.
Yeah.
So warming up was also just, Iwanted to be able to actually
move.
Yeah.

Tali (08:56):
I felt really good about it though, in the moment.
I think, like I said in thepast, that I wouldn't have gone
and done something like skatingand thought to warm up, but, the
kind of skating that I'd like todo is a real sport, you know,
and that requires athleticability and so why not warm up
adequately?

(09:16):
Mm-hmm.
especially when it's such a coldday.
Yeah.
And so, you know, I'vedefinitely come to find that now
that I'm in my thirties, warmingup is a lot more integral to any
physical pursuits that I have.
And I don't know, it was notsomething that I thought about
as much awesomely in CrossFit,they always make time for a

(09:37):
warmup, but man, I think aboutall those clients that would
come in late or something andmissed the warmup and I'd be
like, ah, yeah, this is reallygonna be bad for them if they
have missed the warmup.

Cody (09:47):
Yeah, I used to be pretty strict about that.
Sometimes in.
Class situation, we'd have aformat of warming up and then a
strength lift, and then a shortmetcon metabolic conditioning,
and then a cool down of some corshort mobility or whatever.
And if somebody was coming inlate I would force them to miss
the lift the lifting session.

Tali (10:08):
Ah, and that's always the most

Cody (10:10):
fun part because Yeah.
To me the warmup was moreimportant than them just jumping
into the lifting session.
So it's true.
They would have to warm up whileeveryone else was lifting and
then they could jump in on themetabolic conditioning.

Tali (10:23):
Yeah.
There are certain movements orlifting days.
Right now Cody and I areprimarily doing power lifting
and a day of weightlifting and aday of CrossFit.
And then that phase fitnessphase six fitness program that I
was mentioning earlier a coupletimes a week to just fill in
some gaps and stay super mobileand.

(10:46):
Work in less linear movements.
And I would say there are someof those days that are super
necessary to warm upextensively, like on a squat day
or a snatch day.
But when it comes to deadliftday and bench day, I don't find
myself feeling super pressuredto get down there on time for a

(11:06):
warmup.
And that's because withdeadlifting, it's such a heavy
lift that if I just startlighter on my first working set
mm-hmm.
I feel like I can get away withit.
And then with bench, it's almostthe opposite.
It's such a light lift that foryou.
Yeah.
It's such a light lift for me,it's so new.

(11:28):
I used to always be able to say,I could count on one hand how
many times I had benched in mylife, but that's already not the
case.

Cody (11:34):
So for those of you who don't know, there's 16 years
difference between Tali and I.
Mm-hmm.
So warmups are more critical forme, even on a deadlift day.
Mm.
Or a benching day, I will sayfrom past experience on when I
used to bench more often, that Ican bench a lot more with a

(11:54):
proper warmup.
Like there's something about thenervous system preparation.
Absolutely.
And the blood flow to the areathat really, it's like apparent
in a bench.
It's, it's a strange thing, butit's like, wow, this is heavy.
Well, this is really heavy.
Oh man, it's getting heavy.
I'm not sure if I can do more.
And then all of a sudden it'slike you break through the
warmup phase and you're like,oh, shit, I can, I can actually

(12:16):
do more.
And it, it's just

Tali (12:17):
there.
So I would venture to say thatthat's the same for everything.
Yeah.
There's just such a short windowthat we have to work out
together that unfortunately the.
is sacrificed sometimes.
Did you hear that big

Cody (12:32):
thump?
Yeah.
May have been a Christmas treecoming down.
Oh yeah.
But I think it was just the catsgalloping

Tali (12:37):
around.
We have a, a little kitten who'ssuper excited about the
Christmas tree right now.
Little

Cody (12:42):
kitten.
She's a

Tali (12:43):
rolly poey.
She was a little kitten now oneyear old She's a littler than
Max, let's say that.

Cody (12:50):
So I have some notes on the format of warmups before I
take it out into the non-gymenvironment.
Sure.
I wanted to see if I could applythese to other areas of life.
Okay.
And so when I program a warmupfor a client or myself, I think
in terms of general to specific,so like we were just talking
about preparing for squats, forinstance, might start out on a

(13:13):
rower as a general warmup, getmy kind of body temperature up,
start to just limber up and thenwake up Yep.
And then maybe some like.
Core type of exercises.
So core to extremity is anothermethod.
So it's general to specific andthen core to extremity.
So I kind of start with thecenter of the body and then work

(13:34):
out from there.
So I might start with likehollow body positions, Superman,
you know, kind of getting thecore engaged a little bit before
we start stacking a heavy loadon it.
Dead bugs are my favorite.
Mm-hmm.
And then get into air squats,which are a little more specific
to the exercise.
And then easy to skilled.
So squats may not be the greatexample for this, but I might

(13:58):
start with like let's say we'redoing cleans for instance, then
you might start with frontsquats and then start to move
the barbell in more precise andskilled manners to Sure.
To prepare for that.
So later on in my notes, I justwas trying to carry that concept
into the rest of the world andsee how that carries over.

(14:19):
but I'll circle back around.
So keep listening folks.

Tali (14:22):
Well, when it comes to less gym specific opportunities
to warm up, you know, you hadpointed out even when we were
doing show notes, that this wasa form of warming up.
Mm-hmm.
you know, kind of priming ourconversation by thinking about
it ahead of time and making somenotes.
Because we have done podcastepisodes on the fly before that
were perfectly fine.

(14:42):
Yeah.
But I do always feel morementally prepared when I've got
some sort of notes to go off of,or at least have premeditated on
it.
And you

Cody (14:53):
also do a you enjoy the icebreaker segment at the
beginning of the podcast.
Mm-hmm.

Tali (14:57):
just cause that I always think of on the fly, which is a
terrible way to

Cody (15:01):
No, that's fine.
But I'm, but it's still a warmupfor the podcast.
Like, I'm just kind of gettinginto it and I don't know.

Tali (15:08):
Warm.
Well, the reason I really likethat conversation.
Yeah.
One of the reasons I really likethe icebreaker is, I love
podcasts that are reallyconversational and I think if we
don't start off so buttoned upor agenda oriented mm-hmm.
our conversations can be a lotmore fluid and a lot more like
us, not like we are recording.

(15:29):
Yeah.
It's really easy as a coach,especially mm-hmm.
to want to, you know, quoteunquote turn it on.
Yeah, totally.
I know that I have a coachingvoice, and especially when I'm
working out with friends, I havea really hard time knowing who
to be you know, just to relaxand be myself or to put on
coaching voice because coaching,speaking like a coach, it's

(15:53):
intentional.
You're trying to be reallyconcise with your words, really
clear, you know, make sureyou're projecting mm-hmm.
so that everything is caught

Cody (16:01):
well.
You command attention

Tali (16:02):
as well.
Absolutely.
Mm-hmm.
and you have to just give enoughinformation so that the person
can absorb it and then executeand so, It's not really the way
that I speak normally.
I'm a mu much more of a ramblerand I like to be a little bit
more lax with my words and myword choice.
So there's definitely adifference.
And I think that I wanna kind offind a happy medium when it

(16:26):
comes to our recording, cuz Iwant it to feel really casual
and relatable, but I also wantto be able to communicate all
the things that we think areinteresting.
Yeah.
But when it comes to maybe morevaried experiences that aren't
in the gym when it comes towarming up one that I often am

(16:49):
doing is preparing for crucialconversations.
Mm-hmm.
or challenging conversations.
Mm-hmm.
not, not necessarily with you,cuz I feel like you and I have.
a lot of trust, and we've alsomade the agreement that we will
bring things up even if theyhaven't been like, fully formed
in our minds yet about how wefeel about them or our thoughts

(17:11):
around them.
So it can be rather sloppy orchoppy at times.
Mm-hmm.
But when I'm needing to talk tomy workplace about changing
things up or friends or familyabout something that's
uncomfortable, I definitely taketime to prepare for that.
Yeah,

Cody (17:30):
yeah.
Yeah.
There's also something that,just to touch on that though,
one of the things that I wassure to note about something
that I've probably brought up inpast episodes is, Y over
preparing creates fear.
I wrote that down.
Yeah.
And so the more time you takequote unquote preparing for

(17:50):
something, the more you canactually just be procrastinating
and building on that fear,stoking the fire.
It's

Tali (17:56):
funny that you mentioned that now, because I actually had
a, a, what I would consider acrucial conversation earlier
this week.
It was with a friend who I, it'sa newer friend who I felt like I
had broken our confidence witheach other and it kind of
spiraled out of control.
And multiple people were passingalong information that they

(18:20):
should not have.
And I felt really compelledimmediately to address the
situation.
And I think I did, I would sayit was within 24 hours.
So I would say time-wise, I didall

Cody (18:31):
right.
Yeah.
Well, you mean you have a joband you have things so.
you know, you couldn't haveaddressed it too much sooner
unless you wanted to just pickup the phone in the, in the
moment.
Well,

Tali (18:40):
I wanted some time to marinate on it.
I wanted some time to have sometact and like let my own
emotions kind of simmer down.
I think that that's whypreparing for crucial
conversations are importantbecause if you have a tendency
to respond emotionally, that mayor may not come across well.
Mm-hmm.

(19:00):
to whoever you're wanting totalk to.
And you might not even get tosay the things that you really
want to say because youremotions are riding really high
at that time.
Mm-hmm.
And so I wanted also to be ableto like, address other folks
involved and get some moreinformation.
I had to do a little bit ofinvestigative work and at the
same time I felt like I hadasked you for advice.

(19:24):
I asked my friend for advice, Iasked my sister for advice.
I have a, a few core people thatI always wanna know what their
opinion is before I.
Make any like major declarationsabout something publicly anyway.
And so I could definitely findmyself teetering between wanting

(19:44):
to be prepared so that I couldsay the things that I wanted to
say and like come from the rightplace upon meeting this friend
to have this conversation.
But I also could feel myselfkind of leaning into fear and
like maybe over preparing, likeyou were saying.
Mm-hmm.
like the more advice I wasasking, I could tell that I was

(20:05):
starting to get nervous becauseit was an important conversation
to have and I was in the wrong.
And so it's hard to, to putyourself in the position to say,
so, you know, that that all wentvery smoothly.
And I think it has to do withmanaging that warm up.
And also like keeping it short,if I had put it off till the

(20:28):
weekend say, it could have beena really different story.

Cody (20:32):
Yeah.
Well you may not have even gonethrough with the conversation.

Tali (20:35):
Totally.
Just tried to let it go.
And this brings me to an analogywith warming up.
You know, there was a time in myweightlifting life, you know, I
was looking for the perfectwarmup I often had coaches
prescribe warmups that would berepetitive and I would find them
super boring.
And once I became a certainlevel lifter, I just was like,

(20:56):
Hey coach, can you just trust meto warm myself up?
And they'd be like, sure, yeah,why not?
But I do remember a period oftime where that started to get a
little bit out of hand.
Like I think I was trying tobuild a warmup, kind of like the
phase six one that addressedevery joint of the body.
And I used to do dance as a kid,and those warmups are really
different than weightlifting.

(21:18):
But I like to bring other areasof.
discipline into sport.
And so, you know, I took balletin the last five years and I
took some things that I learnedin ballet into my warmup as
well.
Like I would do bar warmupsessentially, but with a band
around my feet, you know, kindof make it a little bit more

(21:40):
relevant.
But I came to find that mywarmups took forever.
They would take such a longtime, I would get really carried
away in wanting to be thorough.
And that I think is kind ofsimilar to what we were just
saying, that if you don't managethat warmup it can totally take
on a life of its own.
And it kind of reminds me ofcritiques that I've had of your

(22:03):
morning routine when it is nolonger mourning and you're still
doing it, you know?
Mm-hmm.
I definitely think there's asweet spot you have to.
maybe create some guardrails towhere, yes, you're gonna be
physically prepared, but youstill have to put most of your
energy into the actual workout.

(22:23):
Okay.
The warmup is just a taste, it'sjust a warmup.

Cody (22:28):
Yeah.
Well, this also, this is a goodsegue into the main gist of what
I wanted to rant on today, whichis that I think that many people
consider goal setting slashplanning, slash preparing,
researching, learning.
The list goes on and on and onabout how they think that they

(22:50):
are preparing for somethingwithout actually taking action.
And if you're not taking action,you're not, you're not preparing
yourself.
So I think that there's a goodrule of thumb to have an action
bias and look at the thing thatyou're actually trying to face
as part of the warmup.

(23:11):
So in the case of a difficultconversation, maybe part of the
preparation for thatconversation is scheduling it,
like talking to the other personand saying, Hey, we need to talk
because that's taking action.
Oh, yeah.
Whereas if you are just stewingon it on your own and trying to
come up with the perfect wordsand

Tali (23:30):
blah, blah, blah, blah, or wait for the right time, you
know, a lot of people say like,I want it to come up naturally
or organically, and that momentmay never come.
Yeah.
That's

Cody (23:38):
sun bullshit.
But I think that, well, I thinkthat

Tali (23:41):
a lot people shy away from wanting to make it like a
definitive thing.
Like this is a talk that we needto have.

Cody (23:48):
Yeah.
that, that's just one analogy.
I'm trying to make a broadstroke here, like a universal
thing.
Whatever you're gonna do, ifyou're gonna start a business,
you're gonna have a difficultconversation.
You're gonna start a new workoutroutine, you're gonna start
whatever, whatever it is.
If you're gonna ask somebodyout, yeah, stop preparing and
start fucking doing, because Ireally think that, and I'm

(24:11):
gonna, I'm gonna point a fingeragain at our schooling system
because the way that we aretrained up as children is to sit
in classrooms and learn thingsas if it's supposed to apply to
the real world.
and there's very, very littlehands-on experience of actually
doing anything in school.
I mean, there are some,

Tali (24:30):
there's, that's why college is so much cooler.
There's some sports and sports,unfortunately, not everybody
gets that chance.
Yeah,

Cody (24:35):
there's some sports or there might be a science lab, or
maybe the Spanish class goes ona little field trip and watches,
like some, has some sort ofexperience, you know, at a
Mexican restaurant in a movie orsomething like that.
But I, but it's like these rare,little, tiny points and most of
the emphasis is like, sit yourbutt down and read this thing

(24:56):
and you're gonna be moreprepared for it.
And I think that that is bassbackwards.
I think it's completelydifferent from where, from the
way humans actually learn, whichis through experience first and
foremost.
Yes, you can learn from otherpeople, you can intellectualize
things and learn from books andYouTube and everything.

(25:16):
But I tell you what, If you wantto get into gardening or like
growing your own food orsomething, you can spend a
lifetime on YouTube learning allthese cool things about growing
food and then still kill allyour plants the first time you
try

Tali (25:33):
or you're just vicariously gardening through others

Cody (25:35):
Yeah, but my point is, is that that preparation is
bullshit.
Yeah, it's, I can't say it likeI can't put a fine enough point
on it.
It's bullshit.
You need, if you want to warmup, if you wanna prepare for
like growing your own food, goout and buy some seeds, buy some
soil, plant the damn things, putsome water in them, and then
start studying, okay, these kindof plants need this type of

(25:57):
soil, so now I need to learn howto test the soil.
You actively do it.
You act, take action, and thenthe things you learn will stick.
You'll learn faster, you'll gainit.
The whole thing will beaccelerated.
Whereas if you just sit andwatch YouTube on how to grow
food, you've done nothing andyou've probably learned way less

(26:17):
than you think you've learned.
And half the half the stuffyou've learned could be bullshit
and you don't know because youhaven't put it into practice.

Tali (26:25):
Oh man, you sounded really fired up about this.
Well think about this.
So when it comes to the skating,right?
Mm-hmm.
it started because someone hadlisted some skates online for
super cheap in town.
It started

Cody (26:36):
before that.
It did?
Yeah.
Cuz you had mentioned wanting toice skate on the, our pond
before those got listed.
That's why when they got listedI was like, you have to buy
those.
You were just talking about itlike two

Tali (26:50):
weeks prior.
Okay.
Yeah.
All right.
So talking about it, the ideahad happened.
Yes.
Then I bought the skates.
Yes.
Super duper steel.
And then then I watched a coupleYouTube videos mm-hmm.
so that I had a little bit ofstructure going into our session
today.
Mm-hmm.
that man, you killed it.

(27:11):
I, I less so.
But that was some preparation inthere.

Cody (27:15):
So I want to clarify though, that we had already
scheduled when we were gonna goskate.
So we were like, we're gonnaskate Saturday.
Like maybe we should watch someYouTube videos so we can get
some pointers.
And then we watched like twowithin the 24 hours before we
went, and then we watched, were-watched one moments before we
got on the ice in the car.
Yeah.

(27:35):
And then, then we put it intoaction.
And so that's a perfect exampleof what I'm talking about.
We didn't, we did not watch iceskating videos for a year or all
through the summer preparing forwinter before we ever took
action on

Tali (27:50):
it.
Sure.
But I guess I'm gonna playdevil's advocate to your devil's
advocate, think about how manyhobbies.
I have wanted to take up in thelast three years mm-hmm.
living here.
Think about how much money hasgotten gone into those and how
much I've really been able toproduce.

(28:10):
Mm-hmm.
So I guess I'm thinking the lastthing was probably the piano.
We bought an electric piano,which is like the coolest thing
and I probably sit down at itlike two, three times a month
right now.
I love it.
Mm-hmm.
I still really love it and I'veretained a lot of chords mm-hmm.

(28:30):
so that I can just kind of jamwhen I wanna jam which is great.
But I haven't like sat andstudied, I haven't really warmed
up, like there are actualwarmups for playing the piano
and I just skip over them allthe time.
I did buy myself a book that isby the book, like how to learn

(28:50):
piano and You know, I got tosome sticky parts and stopped.
Yeah, well, so action is great.
And I feel like I'm, I've gottenreally good at that, but man, I
end up spending a lot of moneyand then like maybe being like,
eh, not for me.
Yeah.

Cody (29:06):
But now, you know, it's not for you because you could
have, you know, with the case ofthe cello, we just went and
rented one.
Right.
And you could just as easilyhave been a YouTube watching
lesson taking, you know, wannabecello player without actually
getting the instrument in yourhand.

(29:27):
And that's what I'm talkingabout.
There's a lot of people outthere who they study up on how
to sell products online or run apodcast or do whatever, but
they're not actually taking anyaction on the things that
they're learning.
And then the reason I get sofired up about this is that that
was me.
I was that person for most of mylife.
And I would.

(29:48):
Fool myself, I would lie tomyself thinking that I was
actually doing something whenreally I was just sitting in my
bar, like smoking a cigar,watching YouTube videos on how
to do something.
I was watching other people dothings.
I wasn't doing shit.
But it wasn't until I actuallystarted to practice like, oh,
I'm gonna write a book.
Stop r stop taking lessons onwhat I should do to write a book

(30:11):
and just sit my ass in the chairand start writing.
Yeah.
And that was, that made all thedifference.
But you would

Tali (30:17):
also warm up in your writing, wouldn't you?
Wouldn't you start with like 10minutes of something?
Yeah, so

Cody (30:21):
sometimes, and that's one thing I was gonna talk about
though, is that we should lookat warmups or preparing for
something still with an actionbias.
So warming up to write my bookwas not listening to podcasts on
how to write a.
Warming up for writing.
My book was sitting my ass downin the chair, turning the

(30:43):
computer on and starting towrite about non-related things.
And so we kind of get back you,you segued perfectly for my
coming around.
You're welcome.
Yeah, Cuz I was talking aboutgeneral to specific as a way
that I write warmups for myclients right in the gym.
And that's how I would dowriting warmups as well.
So I would general to specific,I'd start free writing.

(31:04):
Like if I was kind of writer'sblock drawing a blank, I'd just
sit and write gibberish.
I mean, just anything.
I would just start typing on thekeys.
Then I would maybe find a topicin my mind that I wanted to
write about.
So then I can outline thattopic.
Then I can be it more specificand like expand on each of the
ideas and the.

(31:24):
and then I can even get morespecific by researching and
expanding further.
And then I can get more specificby editing it down.
So we're getting more and moretechnical as it goes.
Sure.
And so the warmup was writing,the warmup wasn't studying to
become a writer.
And I guess that's my point isthat there's a difference
between preparing for somethingand mental gymnastics thinking

(31:51):
that you're preparing forsomething.

Tali (31:52):
I see.
It also reminds me of one of ourclients right now that we're
working he's been really sickfor a couple of weeks and I
remember on our coaching call wewere telling him like, maybe you
should just start with thewarmup and then assess how
you're feeling because it'sreally easy when you're feeling
crummy or unmotivated issomething wrong.

(32:15):
I remember what's going on,maybe.
Sorry.
Everything

Cody (32:22):
okay.
Just trying to scroll.
I'll just cut this part out, butit's unmuting every time I touch
the mouse.

Tali (32:28):
Oh, I see.
Go ahead.
So we've got a client who hasbeen sick for a couple of weeks
and on our last coaching call wehad talked about starting his
workout with the warmup and thenfrom there assessing whether or
not he could actually getthrough it.
And I think that's a reallygreat way of thinking about a

(32:50):
warmup too, as a minimum,perhaps like a structured
minimum.
That way you are, you know,setting yourself up well if you
choose to move forward withyour.
writing, practice your piano,playing your workout.
And you can still have a senseof accomplishment, like you
still put in some effort intothat pursuit.

(33:12):
But if you're finding that, youknow, circumstances, time,
whatever is in the way, thenmaybe you, maybe you don't move
forward, but at least you've gotthe warmup in.
At least you've done it in likea safe, constructive kind of
way.
Mm-hmm.
because maybe starting out withheavy deadlifts like to begin
your workout session is not agreat idea.

(33:33):
Yeah.
Well, I still feel like I canget away with it though, just
for a little while longer.
It's

Cody (33:37):
such a value to to, to honoring your practice.
You know, if today is the dayyou're supposed to work out and
you're not feeling up to it, butyou go in and you do a half ass
workout or just a warmup orwhatever you want to call it.
that's still honoring, that'sstill having integrity with
yourself.

(33:58):
You went in and you did what yousaid you were gonna do.
Yeah.
Versus flaking out on it andsaying, well, I'm not ready.
And so again, I just, I'm, I'mreally, really strong on this
action bias,

Tali (34:10):
Well, and that's how I feel about those crucial
conversations.
You know, I think if you aren'thonoring those as something
necessary to have and you'rejust kind of blowing them off,
out of fear, you're really notdoing, you're not honoring
yourself, you're not honoringthe other person, especially if
you're intending to just likesweep it in a rug or like keep

(34:32):
moving forward as if nothinghappened.
Mm-hmm.
and a couple of things that Ihave learned when it comes to
crucial conversations that I'dlike to use as a warmup, if you
will, are what is my.
like what are, what's my desiredoutcome?
And we talked about it inanother episode, making that
known right away.

(34:52):
Mm-hmm.
I didn't actually use that inthis particular conversation.
I actually could kind of feelmyself stumbling through it in
the beginning cuz I felt soterrible about it.
And that's all I really wantedto communicate was that, I'm so
sorry this mm-hmm.
was awful.
I did not mean for this tohappen.

(35:13):
But yeah, making your intentionsknown and the I outcome that
you'd like to have.
Also really being in touch withhow you want to come across.
I think it's easy when we'refreaked out over something that
we come off, like really short,maybe agitated angry even.
Yeah.

(35:33):
If you're just trying to likerush through it.
But it was really important forme to be apologetic and.
Warm and friendly and sincere.
Yeah.

Cody (35:44):
Well, I know some self-knowledge is really key
when it comes to those kind ofthings too.
Because I know with you a lot oftimes I'll start a conversation
with a disclaimer where I'll belike, this might come across as
blank, but I want you to knowthat I'm really feeling this.
Yeah.
You do that and I do that a lotbecause I know something about
myself, which is oftentimes, Iwould say more often than not,

(36:09):
if I'm upset about something,it's usually inwardly directed.
Like I get upset with myself.
I'm either ashamed of the wayI'm feeling about something, or
I'm feeling bad about the way Iacted or let you down or didn't
do something I said I was gonnado.
You know, those kind of thingsare just really eat at me.
Yeah.

(36:29):
And a lot of times, if I'm, eventhough that is a self-directed
criticism, it comes out as somesnappy anger.
that's toward other people andit Yeah.
And I know it sounds that way.
And so a lot of times I'll prI'll start a conversation with a
disclaimer of like, I'm not, I'mnot mad at you.
You've done, this isn't, I'm notmad about anything you've done.

(36:53):
I want you to know that this ismy reaction to something that's
happened, but I'm not proud ofthat.
And yeah.
And so, and then I can vent andat least you know that my
frustration is sort of withmyself at that point.
So that's, I think another goodtactic for those hard
conversations is to let theother person know where you're
coming from, not just theoutcome you want, but also,

(37:16):
look, this is where I think thismight be coming from, is this.
Yeah.
And now I'm just gonna tell youhow I feel, but I don't know,
you know, where that's comingfrom or where it should be
directed.
But, and

Tali (37:27):
I'd totally say that that is warmup territory.
You're setting an intention.
Mm-hmm.
you're kind of laying out.
What is to come.
Right.
Kind of like that general tospecific Yeah.
Criteria you were talking

Cody (37:40):
about, but it's also warm up with an action bias.
It's, it's, yes.
Right.
So it's I guess my criticism ofwhat people think they're
preparing for is like people whowatch, who might watch exercise
video.
to think that they're preparingto go for the to the gym without
actually ever going to gym.
Do people do that?
I've had people, yeah.

(38:02):
I've had people come into my gymwhen, back when CrossFit was
kind of new.
Okay.
And people didn't know what thehell it was, who would get on
YouTube and watch CrossFit forlike three months before they
would ever come in and be like,I kind of wanna try this boring
this.
I know, I know.

Tali (38:16):
And I'm like, well, it is not a spectator sport in my

Cody (38:18):
opinion.
And the funny thing is, is thatI would just have to tell that
poor person, it's like, wellfirst of all, ignore everything
that you just watched onYouTube, because most of it's
probably garbage and not what wedo here.
So yeah, sorry to break that toyou, but your preparation has
not prepared you for what you'regonna experience here, cuz
you're actually gonna getcoached on what you need to do
and not these crazy like flyingthrough the air type stunts that

(38:41):
people do on YouTube.

Tali (38:42):
Well, and I also think it's important to.
Give yourself opportunities tolike warm up differently as
well.
You know, one of the reasons Ididn't wanna be locked into a
warmup as a weightlifter isthat, you know, I could have
been dealing with a differentinjury at any given time or
something that was bothering meor a particular skill that

(39:02):
wasn't clicking that I needed toprime.
Mm-hmm.
And so I was thinking about thatwhen it came to skating today
that, you know, we warmed up ourjoints, my ankles and everything
felt great.
My toes were freezing of course,cuz it was just effing cold.

Cody (39:17):
My, my ankles were burning like a mofo.
Yeah.

Tali (39:19):
But something I didn't really anticipate that I noticed
to be a theme through the wholesession was how tense I was.
Mm-hmm.
And that totally shows inskating, you cannot be that
tense and expect yourself to begraceful and to collide, you
know?
And so I think tomorrow when weskate, I'm gonna really put a
lot of emphasis on trying toloosen up.

(39:43):
Mm-hmm.
And it's hard to loosen up whenyou're cold and it's when you're
cold and scared and Yeah.
And you're walking on blades,

Cody (39:50):
you know, it's just, yeah.
You're literally on sharpobjects on ice.
Like, it's really weird.
It's so nerve wracking.
So I maybe focusing on yourbreath would help as you're
skating, you know?
Yeah.

Tali (40:00):
Yeah.
I was probably holding my breatha whole lot and not noticing it.
Yeah.
I know.
Idea.
Idea.
And I notice that with clients alot of the time where their
lifts will look freaking janky,and it can simply be because,
you know, they are not breathingcorrectly.
Yeah.
It has nothing to do with theirtechnique.
There's just a rigidity in theirbody that is being expressed.
Yeah.
And plays into their timing,their positioning, everything.

Cody (40:23):
I caught that about myself today when I got across the rink
for the full length of it, thevery first time.
Mm-hmm.
I got to the halfway there and Iwas like, I'm exhausted.
Why is this so hard?
And I got all the way to theother side and I started
breathing heavy and I realized,oh, I don't think I breathe.
I didn't think I took a breathlike that whole length.
I was like holding my breath forforever because I was so tense

(40:44):
and I didn't realize it till Igot to the other end where
there's a wall to lean on and Iwas all of a sudden breathing
heavy and aware of it.

Tali (40:51):
Well, I'm glad that you're feeling motivated to go right
back.
I think that's a really goodgood coaching there.
I think that's a really goodidea.
Absolutely.

Cody (41:00):
Yeah.
We gotta get that, those neuralpathways firing.
So we'll sleep on it tonight andwe'll hit it again tomorrow.
Yeah.

Tali (41:05):
And there's a lot of cool things that you can do living
out here in the wintertime assport in a way of like being out
in nature and I feel reallymotivated to skate because we
have the pond if we didn't,maybe less so.
Mm-hmm.
But part of me has been reallywanting some sort of like
physical outlet that is artisticand fluid.

(41:29):
You know, weightlifting is somuch fun.
but there's not a lot of likedeviation you can do.
Mm-hmm.
you can't just like, make thingsup on the spot.
With a barbell, it's not thatcreative, in my opinion, as
opposed to skating where I justlike imagine myself putting in
some music and just, you know,skating around like I used to in

(41:50):
my garage and roller blades as akid.
Lose yourself in it.
Yeah.
It sounds really lovely and II'm really excited that you're
interested in doing it too.
Yeah.
Especially as such, like someonewho's so new to the idea.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Cody (42:05):
Well the easy to skilled, I, I promised I would come
around to these warmuptechniques that I use in the
gym.
Good.
And so the other analogy I had,I already talked about free
writing and then getting morespecific with my writing
technique, but I was alsothinking about just like, work
on business, like what thatmight look like.

(42:25):
And so warming up.
In the shower today, I had thisidea of how I might time block
shower.
Thoughts day.
Yeah, shower thoughts.
And I was thinking of timeblocking.
I'm a real fan of time blockingversus scheduling.
And the difference is when youschedule things, you schedule
individual tasks or meetings orwhatever throughout your day.

(42:48):
And time blocking is more like,okay, for these three hours I'm
gonna do creative work and forthe next hour I'm gonna take a
break.
And then those next three hoursI'm gonna do learning type of
work.
And you segment in, in categorybroad categories like that.
And what that allows you to dois have some freedom in your
day.
Within those blocks, you have alot of freedom of what that

(43:09):
might be.
And you can choose from like alist of priorities that you have
or like a priority from a list Ishould say.
And so I was thinking about thissort sort of like broad warmup
to a more specific and how thatcan look in the business world.
So, time block the day, and thentime block within those periods,

(43:32):
specific areas that you wannawork on.
And then in those specificareas, more specific, what tasks
that you wanna start with, likewhat's the highest priority task
and kind of work your way down.
So I think that's another way ofsort of warming up into the
workday and organizing it, butnot over organizing it to the

(43:53):
point where you're spending alot of time on the planning part
that could be so detailed thatyou can't conform to it anyway.

Tali (44:00):
Well, it sounds like when you and I are looking at our
weekends, we did not do it thisweekend, but a lot of times we
do.
Where on Friday, which is ourfirst day off together, we'll
talk about all the objectivesthat we have for the weekend.
Mm-hmm.
and we won't really pluganything in specifically, it'll,
they'll kind of just fall intoplace in terms of what makes
sense for the day or.

(44:21):
you know, if we can batch thingsor if we have something that is
concrete, like an appointmentand how to work around those.
And I always really love thosesessions.
I just feel like I can kind oforganize in my mind mm-hmm.
where to put my attention and itkind of eases you in.
Mm-hmm.
if you will.
Yeah.

Cody (44:42):
So

Tali (44:43):
I'd say the only place that I don't feel like warming
up is important is in theshower.
I want it scalding and I want itnow.

Cody (44:48):
I know.
You just jump into that I'm justlike, oh god.
Ha ha.
I'm like freaking out and youjust go in.
It's really impressive.

Tali (44:54):
Yeah.
Actually, I always think that'sfunny how we differ in that way.
Yeah.
Showering together can be

Cody (44:59):
challenging.
I mean, I love I love the waterreally, really hot.
But I just have to like a, Igotta acclimate for a second.

Tali (45:06):
I don't know.
There must be something aboutthe shock value or something, I
guess.
Yeah.

Cody (45:11):
Well, I have, do you, I, I want to touch on the rest of
your notes first, cuz I wannawrap up my thoughts on this with
something that's a little.
a little different than the thegenre we've been in.
Mm.

Tali (45:24):
I mean, I think I prefaced our podcast with telling you
that I might need you to carryme through this one cause No
worries.
I feel like, I mean, I think Igot through all my notes.
I think it's an interesting tosee warming up through aging
actually becoming more and morerefined.
Mm-hmm.
and neccissary.

(45:45):
Yeah.
And I would almost, I think thatcould be potentially like
counterintuitive, you wouldthink as a young person who
doesn't like know as much orhasn't lived as much, life might
need more warming up.
But I feel like it's quite theopposite.
And I think that's just being anadult and wanting to have more
tact and to be more thoughtfulabout things.

(46:06):
Mm-hmm.
I don't wing it quite as much asI used to.
I used to always live lifeflying by the seat of my pants
and it was fun.
Mm-hmm.
for me that way.
but I've also come to find, youknow, living with another
person, being in a committedrelationship like that doesn't
always work.

(46:26):
And I don't know, I've warmed upto the idea of warming up, if
you will.
And I think weightlifting has alot to do with that.
You know, you can get a lotfurther if you're taking good
care of your body and warming upis definitely super integral to
doing that.
Mm-hmm.
And I think I've just come tofind that in other areas.
I used to always say this likecatchphrase of mine that I never

(46:49):
knew what I was doing thiscoming Tuesday or next Tuesday
because I loved life being sospontaneous and I've become a
really regimented person in thelast like five years or so.

Cody (47:05):
Yeah.
You seem to crave structurelately a lot of times.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, One of the things I forgotto mention earlier is something
that happened to me when Istarted my new job a little over
a year ago.
So I was working at the BronzeFoundry here in town for a year,
and on the first day, I'll neverforget, I sat down on the first

(47:28):
day.
And the way they do job trainingthere is they kind of put you in
different departments right offthe bat.
They just float you around andthen kind of see where you're
gonna shine the best, like whereyou're gonna be the most
valuable.
And so at the time, I wasworking in the wax room and I
sat down.
So it's a seated job, which iscool.
I can sit and listen to podcastsand do kind of fun detail work

(47:49):
on art.
I, I kind of enjoyed that work,but next to me was a box of
donuts, like the, the snack trayfor the whole foundry was right
next to my desk.
And I looked over and I wasjust, We don't, you and I hardly
ever eat that kind of stuff.
Like it's really rare that wehave like a store bought, like
Maple Bar type donut.
We do, but it's just, it's a,it's an exception.

(48:11):
Yeah.
And at those kind of jobs, a lotof times that can just be like a
weekly thing where it's justthere.
Oh yeah.

Tali (48:17):
I used to bring donuts in every Saturday to weightlifting.
Yeah.

Cody (48:21):
Evil.

Tali (48:22):
But we were earning them.
Okay.

Cody (48:26):
at the time.
You know, we were a little moreon track with our fitness.
We kind of were in one of thosehigh phases where we were a
little more consistent.
And then I started work and itkind of all started to fall
apart.
Cuz my schedule was super earlyin the day and I, yeah,

Tali (48:40):
we did.
I feel like it took us a year tofind the footing.

Cody (48:43):
Oh yeah.
And then I quit my job So nowwe're, we're finding the footing
again, but I remember this sospecifically because I had a
book idea in the moment and Ithought, I'm gonna write a book
called Set the Tone.
Because when you enter into anew situation, you can't allow
yourself to be like, well, Iwon't eat donuts all the time,

(49:05):
but it's my first day of work.
Okay, I'll just go ahead andindulge because you're setting
the tone for what that job isgonna be like when you're there.
Mm.
And so I consciously, I waslike, I am not gonna fucking eat
one of those today.
I might later at some otherpoint while I'm here, but I am
not gonna have a donut on myfirst day at this job.
And then have that be sort oflike this association.

Tali (49:26):
I was gonna say, you're creating all sorts of
associations Yeah.
In that first few minutes.
Yeah.
And

Cody (49:31):
so I intentionally, I'm like, I'm gonna set the tone of
how I'm going to behave at thisjob.
I am not going to get outtashape and overweight eating junk
because people enjoy bringing intreats as a nice gesture.
I'm not gonna fall into thattrap.
And so, I had that idea, like,I'm gonna write a book called
Set the Tone.
Because I think it's so criticalwhen you enter into a new

(49:51):
situation that you don't allowyourself to be like, well, I'll
get comfy first and then I'll dothis thing.
Or you know, you have to set thetone for what you want it to
look like long term right offthe bat.
Mm.
And if you're not, if you're notable to do that and, and do it
consistently in those first, inthose early days of trying
something new, then it, yourvision for what you wanted out

(50:15):
of that may not even bepossible.

Tali (50:18):
Well, at this moment I'm feeling kind of thankful that
you and I are gonna be skatingat a rink that has no walls.
Yeah, that's what I was saying.
Yeah.
At first I was like, damn itthat's gonna be

Cody (50:27):
so fucking hard.
Yeah.
But you don't wanna be a wallcrawler forever.
So

Tali (50:31):
I don't, not having them, I'm so to take him away, Yeah.
That's kind

Cody (50:35):
of wild.
So that was one thought.
The other thing I wanted to talkabout a little bit is that
sometimes warming up, or, or thesubtitle for this, like how do
you prepare for challenges inlife?
I think a great way to warm upor better phrased as being
prepared is to be in a constantstate of readiness.

(50:59):
Gpp.
Yes.
So in CrossFit, they talkedabout this as being, you know,
you want to have a broad andinclusive fitness so that she
can be ready for anything lifethrows

Tali (51:10):
at you.
Yes.
There's that pyramid.
Mm-hmm.
if you remember, I don'tremember what it was called, but
it looked like the food pyramid.
Yeah.
And general preparedness, Ithink was at the bottom.
The foundation of it.
Yeah, the foundation and like.
Was the very top

Cody (51:24):
Yeah, the very sports specific.
Yes.
The very highly skilledtechnical tip of the iceberg.

Tali (51:29):
And I would say my experience with weightlifting
was exactly the same.
I did CrossFit for like twowhole years before I decided to
specialize in weightlifting.
Mm-hmm.
you know, I think I was a lotbetter off for

Cody (51:39):
it.
Yeah.
In the military, I'm not surewhere this came from.
It's probably some famousgeneral or something, but they,
there's a saying that says themore you sweat in practice, the
less you bleed in war.
And that just is an example ofwhat I'm talking about, of, of
living a life that prepares youfor the unknown or the
unknowable, as Greg Glassmanlikes to, to talk about.

(52:02):
So if you're gonna prepare forchallenges, then do hard things.
You have to do hard things onpurpose in your life.
If you're always looking for thepath of least resistance and
just sort of going with the flowand winding down with television
and you know, like, like livingthis standard sort of American

(52:24):
cushy life.
Then cushy.
Sometimes things that are notall that earth shattering can
become an emotional traumabecause you're just, you're
soft.
I mean, I don't know how else toput it, but you, if you don't do
hard things, then when hardthings come at you, you're gonna
be woefully unprepared.
Yeah, and I think that's one ofthe benefits of doing crazy

(52:46):
things like ice baths andintense workouts and saunas and
all these, is that you'reexposing yourself to extremes.
That literally not, not justphysically, but even
emotionally, prepare you for.
not nice things that might comeyour way.
Yeah.
It's so, and I know that that'sa, yeah.
And I know even it is funny,that sounds silly because it's

(53:08):
like a fad thing right now, butthe cold showers, ice bath, all
this kind of stuff, the, I wasdoing that consistently for a
little while before I took thejob a year ago.
And I remember that, you know,we have blistering hot summers
here.
We have, you know, it gets 110sometimes, and then in the
winter, and we're up

Tali (53:27):
high on the mountain too.
So, yeah.
So

Cody (53:29):
that sun is intense.
That sun intense.
Harsh.
It is intense.
I mean, you go outside, you feelit like it's burning my skin.
Mm-hmm.
And then in the winter, rightnow as we're recording this,
it's seven degrees outside.
It's probably colder now.
Seven degrees Fahrenheit.
Yeah.
This, it's fucking cold.
But I remember when I was takingcold showers and they were only
like two minutes a day.
It wasn't, it wasn't as thisextreme thing, but it was really

(53:51):
cold for two minutes a day and,I swear it really prepared me
for those extremes.
The hot and the cold.
It didn't bother me that muchlast summer or the winter
before.
In fact, I remember doing likeyoga outside on the porch when
it was like 30 degrees and itdidn't bother me barefoot, you
know?
Mm-hmm.
And now I haven't been doingthose cold showers and I'm so

(54:12):
sensitive.
I step outside and I'm like, ohmy God, it's so cold.
And I'm just whiny about it and,and I really think it's because
I'm unprepared because I'm notinflicting that discomfort on my
own.
It's just coming

Tali (54:23):
to me.
Yeah.
You know, it's making me thinkabout, my boss had actually
mentioned the same concept abouthow she's really been able to,
you know, acclimate to thesummers here because of the cold
winters.
Yeah.
And how that relativity hasreally helped her manage her
discomfort when it comes toextreme temperatures.

(54:45):
And I was just thinking when youwere talking about that, how.
You know, I spent all summer inan air conditioned building.
Mm-hmm.
I was so comfortable.
That's what I was about to say.
And that's probably why I was inso much pain today.
It was so cold.
Yeah.
It was so, so cold.

Cody (55:03):
Yeah.
:So I think our daily practices,like getting back to that, I
think the things that we putinto practice in our lives are,
is probably the best preparationwe can do for difficult
circumstances because the waythat we practice our day-to-day
life is going to have a hugeimpact on how we're able to cope

(55:25):
with unexpected or unpleasantthings.
Yes.
Come at us

Tali (55:29):
that coping is, I think, a really important thing to, to
note here because I just wrote asmall note here that says you
can get hurt if you don't warmup.
Mm-hmm.
And that could be literally,could be figuratively, you know?
Or emotionally.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I just think that.

(55:49):
as someone who often wants toskip their warmup, you know,
that's an indication that it'simportant to do it.
it's, that's the same kind ofresponse that I've had to fear.
Mm-hmm.
you know, I've actually reallylearned and internalized that
when I'm afraid of something, Ishould go do it.
Yeah.
You know, it's a really positiveassociation with fear that I'm

(56:09):
really happy to have cultivated.
But, you know, this conversationthat I had to have earlier this
week, like I had been totallytransported to my high school
self because, you know, rumorsand gossip and stuff hasn't
really been prevalent in my lifesince then.
And back then, when things likethat would happen and I partook

(56:30):
in it I would totally run, deny.
whatever.
Cover it up.
Yeah, yeah.
Blame it on somebody else.
Like that's whatever to like getit off of me.
Yeah.
That's the normal response.
Yeah.
And I think that you can attestto how quickly that response was
for me to be like, well now Ineed to address it.

Cody (56:47):
Yeah, you were, it was shocking to me actually.
Like in the moment you're like,I need to deal with it.
Like I need to own up to thisand like let her know that I
made a mistake and that thisisn't just other people, you
know?
And take that and you reallywanted to take ownership of it.
I was so proud of you.
Thank you.
Like in that whole moment overthe next couple days.

(57:08):
Still proud of you.
Thank

Tali (57:10):
you.
Really proud of you.
I'm pretty proud of myself too.
I really am.
I feel like I've come a long wayin terms of my bravery and like
that willingness to move throughchallenges.
Yeah.

Cody (57:21):
Well I remember you asked me what I would do and I'm like,
I, first of all, I can't answerthat cuz I don't know what I
would do unless I'm actually inthis situation.
It's easy, it's easy to giveadvice when you're kind of.
not the one in the hot seat.
Yeah.
So I was hesitant to give youadvice, but I was like, I don't
know, because I, if I'm reallybeing honest, I might just avoid
it.
Like, I might be the guy who'sjust like, mm, I don't have to

(57:44):
deal with this.
We'll just let it go.
You know?
And I was trying to be honest inthat moment.
I'm not sure that that's true,but I, I know that the part of
me was like, fuck, I don't know.
I don't, I don't know how Iwould deal with this.

Tali (57:58):
Yeah.
So, well, I think it was justseen and appreciated because the
response that I got was sounderstanding and like beyond
understanding all the folks whowere involved, who like quote
unquote did wrong.
You know, everybody involved wasjust like so apologetic.
Mm-hmm.
and so kind to each other.

(58:20):
And I think really learnedsomething out of the whole
situation.
and it just made me like reallythankful.

Cody (58:26):
Well, she's very cool to start with it.
It was, it's good that it'skinda like you and I, we have a
certain safety and trust witheach other that allows us to, to
have honest conversations.
Yes.
So I think it's cool that sheprovided that for you too.
I mean, she's, she's a radperson, but she is, but I also,
just before I, everybody in thewhole chain took ownership.

(58:48):
Yes.
I think that was so cool.
Like everybody in the wholechain of events that was
involved, everybody sort of tookownership and been like, I'm
sorry, I, I should not have donethat.

Tali (58:57):
Well, funny enough, so this rumor started with me.
Mm-hmm.
And I also think the response toit started with me because, you
know, the person that I hadshared this information with is
a good friend of mine and I waslike very.
careful to not make her feelresponsible.
Cuz I really love her and she'sa good friend of mine and I

(59:18):
didn't want to like pile on hermaybe in the way that I would
have in the past be like, that'son you.
You did something fucked up.
Yeah.
But yeah, I made sure to liketake good care of her and take
good fr care of the friend.
You know, I think people canfeel when that's your intention.
Mm-hmm.
when you are trying to just kindof like, skate by or like make

(59:40):
it out unscathed or, or move theresponsibility.
Or move the responsibility orjust be avoidant and like, not.
address things as they actuallyhappen.
You know, one of the things thatdrives me crazy when it comes to
conflict is when peopleseemingly choose to remember
something wrong.
Yeah.
because they've like had tojustify it in their heads.

(01:00:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it's like you can't get awaywith that.
Everybody involved knows whathappened.
Mm-hmm.
you know, we can't distortreality just to keep ourselves
safe.
That is shown.
That can be obvious.
And I just feel like nobody inthis situation was doing that.
Everybody was like, yep, that'show it went down.
And I think that that.

(01:00:23):
you know, that's a sign ofrespect.
Mm-hmm.
Even when you have fucked up.
Yeah.
You know, we're all going tofuck up.
Like, you can't avoid that.
We're all going to fall on theice.
Like, yep.
That was said in the YouTubevideos, like falling is a part
of the sport in weightlifting,missing lift.
Mm-hmm.
is a part of the sport.
Yeah.
That's part of life.
But you can put into practicesthings that can mitigate that.

(01:00:45):
Yeah.
From one, you know, and extendthe time from one fall to the
next.

Cody (01:00:49):
Yeah.
I mean, whether it's gymnasticsor ice skating or weightlifting,
I mean, how many times I know Ihave, as a coach, I have taught
many people how to drop the barand fall down safely because
it's gonna happen.
Like that's, that's gonnahappen.

Tali (01:01:04):
Which reminds me, I really, we need to get crash
pads.
We really, really do Okay.
Cause I've got clients stillworking with those training
plates, but the weight is hardto drop.
Yeah.
It, yeah.
Well, just the movement to bringthe bar down safely is.
awkward.
Okay, well let's go.
It's teachable, but it's awkwardand it's hard.
Yeah, yeah,

Cody (01:01:24):
yeah.
Teaching people how to failcorrectly, I think that's
safely, I think, I think that'sanother really good lesson from
the gym is to learn or at leasttry to prepare for like the
worst case scenario in whateveryou're about to do.
Like if, if that's part of yourwarmup, if you know that going

(01:01:45):
into it there's a risk thatyou're gonna fall, then learning
how to fall correctly can saveyou.
Totally.
Right?
Yes.
I often wish that I had learnedmotorcycle on a dirt bike
because I think that's wherepeople who do off-road
motorcycle riding have anadvantage is that they learn how
to fall kind of on purpose.
Like you, you're gonna slide tothe side, you know how to skid,

(01:02:08):
you kind of know how to roll andthat kind of stuff.
But when you learn, when, whenyou learn to ride a motorcycle
in your mid thirties, and it'sa.
A thousand pound motorcycle onthe freeway.
Like you don't have a lot ofpractice Sliding Yeah.
Falling.
Yeah.
It's

Tali (01:02:23):
also nice to just get it out of the way and so you kind
of know what to expect.
Like I fell on my ass on the icetoday and I was just like
futsing around with my feet.
Like I wasn't even goinganywhere when it happened.
And it was hilarious to me atthe time.
You think before you hit theground?
I swear I know.
Cause like I could see my feet.
It felt like, I felt like Ijust, I don't know how it seemed

(01:02:45):
like it happened so fast to me,but it didn't hurt.
Yeah.
And that was a relief cuz I wasreally afraid that falling meant
injury.
Yeah.
And also watching all those kidsjust like falling and getting
back up.
Like bless them, they're so suchgood teachers.

Cody (01:03:02):
Yep.
All those kids out there beingbrave and just doing it.
Yeah.

Tali (01:03:06):
Yep.
They do, I think make, there'ssome sort of something that you
can wear that's like cushionythat.
So when you fall on your, asyour hand motions, you don't
like break your cocks?
It's like a

Cody (01:03:17):
donut.
Like Yeah.
That's what your hand motionsare like.
Yeah.
I'm thinking of like a floatywith a goose head on it or
something.

Tali (01:03:22):
kind of, yeah.
Except they don't pop, I thinkthey're filled with like
packaging material or something.
Oh, okay.
I saw it in a movie once, butwhat movie?
An ice skating movie.
Okay.
Yeah.
Why?

Cody (01:03:34):
I was thinking of some Ben Stiller thing, but that's,
that's fine.

Tali (01:03:38):
I don't know.
Okay.
I don't know what you're talkingabout, but, okay.
Good.
why?
What is it?
Well, there's, nah, I gotta know

Cody (01:03:45):
some real, there's some ice skating movie that's super
silly.
Like, like the

Tali (01:03:51):
is it the Will Ferrell movie?
Yeah, maybe it's

Cody (01:03:53):
that Blades of Glory.

Tali (01:03:54):
Yes.
Blades of Glory.
I saw that, but I don't remembera thing about it.
I don't either.
Other than it was probably superdumb.
We are not quite there yet.
Cody and I watched like the mostincredible ice skating routine
that was so amazing.
Can you put that in the shownotes?
I will.
I'll have to look it up again.
But it was great.
It was the most flawless.
They got no deductions on theirscore.

(01:04:15):
I was, I wanted to check to seeif they won, but it was a German
team.
Yeah.
Made of people who are notGerman.
I'm pretty sure but the Olympicsare weird.
Anybody can compete for anybodyif they really

Cody (01:04:26):
want.
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
It's a weird political thing.
So if you have dual citizenship,you can be on either team.
So even if you're full-time,like usa you can actually be on
a different team if you havedual

Tali (01:04:41):
citizenship.
I thought about doing that.
I wanted to compete for Israelbefore you and I met.
I know I had thought aboutmoving to Israel, but it didn't,
it didn't quite work out.
I'm so glad.
Yeah.
You know, I, the way that it wasgonna be set up was that I was
gonna be training in Tel Avivand.
living in which is where my auntlived, and it was pretty far.

(01:05:04):
Mm-hmm.
it was pretty far.
It wasn't something I could justlike hop on a bus and get there.
So yeah.
It didn't end up working out atthe time.
Lucky me.
Yeah.
It all worked out for

Cody (01:05:13):
us.
It'd have been gone.
Yeah.
Well, I feel like we've touchedon a few valuable things.
Some of the takeaways, you know,just being generally prepared
for things, doing uncomfortablethings, stretching yourself,
facing fear having an actionbias toward your warmup.

Tali (01:05:30):
Well, and it's also kind of a loving thing too.
Like you are setting yourself upfor the best possible outcomes
if you give yourself thatwarmup.
Yeah.
You know, and it's not to saythat if you affect yourself
Yeah.
You know, Like I said, I'veskipped my warmup many times
before and we do this thing inour CrossFit workouts sometimes

(01:05:50):
where we like take the firstround as a warmup.
Yeah.
You know, like don't hit it hardout of the gate.
Which I think can be fine.
The nice thing about CrossFitworkouts is they can be done in
a very short amount of time, butthey are, it's kind of implied
that it's like balls to the wallintensity.
So that isn't a great way tostart.
If

Cody (01:06:10):
he's one reason.
I love the death by format too.
I fucking hate those.
I love'em cuz it gets sointense.
But it starts off with one repand in one

Tali (01:06:19):
minute there's something about the number nine.
Nine is like when it starts getreal sticky and scary.

Cody (01:06:24):
Oh.
Usually six is

Tali (01:06:25):
the tipping point for me.
depends on, I guess it dependswhat it is.
Yeah.
What we're doing.
Yeah.
Oh man.
I don't know why I was justthinking about this, but I've
always wanted to do death byhandstand pushups and I would
really love what the f for us tohave a set a set up for
handstand pushups.
Cuz I still got'em, honey.
Yeah, I can do,

Cody (01:06:42):
I still got'em too.
Yeah.

Tali (01:06:45):
Well I need an ab map maybe.
No uh,

Cody (01:06:47):
we need to move stuff around.
Yeah, we have some cleaning todo folks, if anyone wants to
help who you, who you think

Tali (01:06:54):
you're talking

Cody (01:06:55):
to.
I don't know who's listening butif you wanna move some stuff.
Yeah.
We've got a whole, we've got agym right now that's half gym
and half wood shop and neitherone of them are as effective as
they could be because there'ssplitting the space.
So yeah.
We need to move the wood shopout.

Tali (01:07:12):
And the cool thing about a warmup y'all is that you can
make it more effective the moreyou learn.
Just like I was saying, when wego into our next skating
session, I'm gonna really focuson relaxing as a part of that.
Mm-hmm.
and.
You know, my work, my warmup forweightlifting has evolved many,
many, many times over, and itdefinitely is dependent on my

(01:07:37):
fitness level at the time, howmuch time I have, but I'd say
minimum of 10 minutes.
10 minutes, just put on a 10minute clock and do something.
Mm-hmm.

Cody (01:07:47):
we've circled back around the fitness.
Yeah.
But the philosophy of fitness, Ithink can really carry over.
If any of you have some ideas ofhow the concept of warming up or
preparing for a challenge orpreparing for something new
carries over from the gym to thereal world, hit us up.
We would love to hear from you.
There's a few of you who havereached out to me, and I think

(01:08:10):
it's a lot of fun when I getfeedback, so keep that up.
But also if you are the type ofperson who's willing to give me
feedback through dms if youcould just.
Give a quick rating or reviewwherever you're listening to us,
that would be really rad becauseYeah.
Getting the word out on a newpodcast is really tricky.
There's not a lot of great waysto do it, but one way is for you

(01:08:32):
to interact and give us someratings, reviews and comments
and feedback and that type ofthing.
So yeah.

Tali (01:08:37):
And maybe by the time this one airs, we'll have some
marketing in place.
We've got some things in theworks right now that might be
helping us get the word outmore, but I don't know.
What I've been hearing fromfolks who have listened to our
podcast that do reach out.
Mm-hmm.
has been awesome.
It has been.
I love it.
Yeah.

Cody (01:08:53):
I really appreciate you for listening and like I said,
we so much appreciate thefeedback, so keep it coming.
We really appreciate you, andwe'll see you next week.
Next week.
Love you.
Love you too,

Tali (01:09:05):
honey.
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