036 Slow Is Smooth And Smooth Is Fast! The Philosophy Of Fitness Ep. 26

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Cody (00:16):
Hi, this is Cody Limbaugh.
And

Tali (00:17):
I'm Tali Zabari, and you're listening to the
Philosophy of Fitness podcast onthe Live

Cody (00:23):
All Your Life Network.

Tali (00:45):
Since today's topic is really related around a cue,
maybe we can have our icebreakerbe what our favorite cue is, or
favorite cue to give.
As a coach.
Hmm.
Okay.
You wanna go first after, no, Ihave to think about it.

Cody (01:08):
favorite.
I, I'm bad with favorites,

Tali (01:10):
you know that.
I know.
Okay.
Notable cue.
Notable
cues

Cody (01:13):
that okay.
Yeah.
Hmm.
Well, I like to verbally cuepeople on how to feel weight in
their feet.

Tali (01:26):
That was gonna be mine.
Mm-hmm.
I had landed on something andthat's a really good one.
That's a really it's a hardhitter.

Cody (01:33):
Yeah.
Because I think people get alltwisted up when they're thinking
about their exercise, how theirbody is moving, and maybe
different parts of their body.
And if you're not grounded, ifyou don't have a good solid base
of support, then everything elseup.
is kind of falling apart.
Well, and I'll, so

Tali (01:51):
you have to ask, I'll add a

Cody (01:52):
layer to that.
You have to have weight properlyplaced in your feet, and it can
be different depending on whatyou're trying to accomplish,
right?
Sure.
So, yeah, I think weightplacement in the feet is
something I, I cue a lot.

Tali (02:05):
Just like you said, it's foundational.
It's where many movements begin.
And like I said, I wanna takethat to another level where it
took me years to learn this, butthe floor is a tool.
It's a, it's a point ofleverage.
And when you notice that thefloor can be used to your

(02:26):
advantage, things changedrastically.
A lot of cues or a lot of theway that I see lifts or try to
teach lifts can be kind ofcounterintuitive to the
language.
So a deadlift, a clean a snatch,a.
All of those are referred to aspulling mechanisms.

(02:46):
But a lot of times what that cando, or the way it pronounces it
an athlete, is that they willtry to pull with their arms or
pull with their back when youreally want them to be using
their legs and pulling with yourlegs doesn't really make a lot
of sense.
Mm-hmm.
but pushing with your legs Suredoes.

(03:07):
Which initiates a pullingmechanic with the rest of the
body.
So I like to think about thedeadlift as a leg press or the
beginning of a clean or a snatchbeing the first push.
Mm-hmm.
And that all has to do withreally grounding yourself in
your feet and using that flooras a tool.

(03:31):
Cuz otherwise I think you can bekind of soft in your feet or
light on your feet.
Mm-hmm.
And you won't really.
Get as much muscular recruitmentthat way or even perform the
mechanism correctly.
That's right.
So,

Cody (03:44):
yeah.
And it carries over to jumprope, boxing, running in other,
in other ways where you want tobe lighter on your feet, but
that requires a certain.
Yeah, when you throw a punch,you have to be planted.
But when you're trying, that oneis so hard for me to remember.
You're trying to stay agile,then you don't want be too

(04:05):
planted.
You don't wanna be able to move,you know, duck and weave, et
cetera.
So knowing how to respond to thefeeling of the floor on your
feet is critical for those kindof coaching cues.
Yeah.
All right.
Good icebreaker.
Yeah, we've broken

Tali (04:17):
the ice.
It took a minute.
I think it's because this feelsreally different, like having a
light shining on us.
Yeah.
And the camera rolling.
So this is our first timerecording video.
Any video.
Yeah.
And this is our 30th ishepisode.

Cody (04:30):
It's, well, we have 30 published by the time this comes
out, it'll be episode.
Yeah.
We'll have a, a few more, 35 orgreater.
So yeah, took us a while to getthis set up.
the audio, just so you know, ifyou're watching this on YouTube
or wherever you're seeing this,the audio is probably not as
great on the video as it is onour actual podcast.
So if the audio is botheringyou, head over to Spotify or

(04:52):
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Tali (04:57):
Sorry.
That's a funny and ironic momentto trip over a little bit.
Yeah.
But or just turn the volumedown.
That goes a really long way.

Cody (05:05):
Yeah.
We have a couple different micsetups here.
Yeah.
In order to accommodate ourlagging technology.
But it's improving.
So it's improving because weactually have a video now, so
Totally.
It's a step.
It's directionally correct.
Yes, it is.
Yes.
It's so anyway, welcome ifyou're watching us and yeah.
Hi mom.

Tali (05:25):
I know she'll watch it.

Cody (05:27):
So let's introduce today's topic because I think it's very
cool how it keeps coming up inour lives recently.
It does.

Tali (05:34):
It's a cue that I learned from Jim Schmidtz a
weightlifting coach and aweightlifter who was really big
on the scene or in the scene inthe seventies when.
The sport of Olympicweightlifting was like really
hitting the United States hard.
Still a small but mightyfollowing.

(05:57):
Anyway, today's theme is thecue.
Slow is smooth and smooth asfast.

Cody (06:03):
Yes, I heard that first in weightlifting as well, but it
was from Mike Bergner.
You're kidding.
No, I heard him say that,actually.
What?
I don't remember that.
Yeah.
It was in a training video atsome point, and he was coaching
a vol.
I forget the guy's name now, butI think he was like a pro
volleyball player or collegiatevo volleyball player who was

(06:25):
getting into weightlifting andforget he was a coach.
It's a long time ago.
I've been in this game for along time, but that's the first
place I heard it as well.
But then recently we heard it ona sitcom.
Do you.
No, we were watching ModernFamily reruns for one night.
I think we'd watched a scarymovie or something.

(06:45):
And so we like to cleanse thepalette a little bit before we
go to bed by watching somethingstupid and like, you know,
something short and easy.
And we were watching ModernFamily and I forget what the
situation was, but the, theywere in the car and they were
like having to like rush out anddo something really fast.
Was

Tali (07:05):
it the Christmas episode where they're like trying to do
Christmas in a day

Cody (07:09):
something and before they got out of the car, the dad is
like, slow is smooth and smoothas fast, and then everybody
repeats it and then they all getout of the car and like go do
their mission that they were on.
I remember you and I all you andI looked at each other like,
what because we thought it waskind of an exclusive saying to
the weightlifting world, butapparently it's not.

Tali (07:30):
No, it's not.
And I read it again this weekendfinishing up my nutrition
certification.
But before we move on, I justwanna like pull it back to Coach
Bergner and Coach Schmitz reallyquick.
The first weightliftingcertification I got was through
CrossFit and Coach Bergner wasleading it and Jim Schmitz was a
part of his supportive staff.

(07:52):
Cool.
And a few years later I hadtaken a U s A weightlifting
certification and Jim Schmidtzwas leading it.
So it was kind of cool thatthere were familiar faces from
one certification to the next.
So I would imagine that.
there with as small as the worldis of weightlifting, there's
gotta be a lot of crossover inthat way.

(08:13):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So the reason slow is smooth,smooth as fast is taught in
weightlifting is that it's avery technically nuanced, yeah.
Technically nuanced sport.
And I would say yes, it's astrength sport, but it, it
touches on so many otherathletic qualities.

(08:38):
And if the technique is notsound, it doesn't really matter
how strong you are.
The movements really demandcertain dynamics and mechanics
of the body that really need tobe given respect, I guess.
Mm-hmm.
really taken into account ratherthan just like ripping the bar
off the floor.
And so It really prioritizesmaking sure that, you know, your

(09:02):
lift is going through all itspositional checkpoints that the
most advantageous timing isbeing applied to the bar and
building momentum is beingcarried through appropriately.
And so slow, smooth, smooth asfast is really an attempt to
illustrate that you can't rushthe lift.

(09:23):
Mm-hmm.
it has to be kind of following aset of priorities.
And speed is an easyimplementation, especially when
like things are feeling heavy orif you're like particularly
amped up sometimes if the speedis too great, then everything

(09:44):
else kind of falls apart and Ithink that that translates into
a lot of other arenas as well.

Cody (09:51):
Yeah.
Oh yeah, it totally does.
With, for me, the way I'vethought of it in weightlifting,
just to maybe put it in a littlebit simpler terms, is Sorry.
No, it's fine.
It's just that there is an orderof operations.
Okay.
And if you don't hit those inthe correct order, you lose
efficiency.
Yes.
That's the bottom line.
And if you rush it, you're muchmore likely to do things in the

(10:14):
improper order or even skip astep all

Tali (10:17):
altogether skipping steps you know, not finding the right
positions.
Mm-hmm.
a lot of those things could bemissed.
And, and a

Cody (10:25):
little bit what we were talking about with the queuing,
you know, we talked aboutqueuing into the floor and how
your feet placement is andeverything.
Yeah.
And some of that is if you'rerushing things and just sort of
like spazzing out a little bit,you're not gonna have a mind
body connection.
You know, you Yes.
Talk to me.
You, you really opened my eyeswhen I kind of went from a
peripheral view of weightliftingand then getting.

(10:48):
a little bit more into theworld.
When I met you was having aconnection with the bar, like
being able to feel connected tothe bar.
Yes.
Because a lot of times the wayweightlifting is taught is like
you should have so much momentumon the bar that it just sort of
flies up and you catch it, or itfeels weightless and it feels
weightless and it's like, andyou got no, not really

Tali (11:09):
or people would say things and I probably even said it as a
young coach being like, there'sgonna be a point of
weightlessness and you're goingto catch the bar.
Yeah.
Or you know, you're gonna likelose connection and then regain
it.
Mm-hmm.
so off.
Yeah.
So off

Cody (11:24):
it is I think, valuable to teach people the idea of
momentum, but that would be likeonly on day one.
Like, I would never continue tocoach people to try to seek that
weightlessness feeling becauseever since.
I began to think about your cuesof like, of feeling connected to
the bar at all times.
It may, everything feels better.

(11:44):
Like every lift has been bettersince.

Tali (11:46):
I'm so happy to hear that.
I honestly have not thoughtabout that in a long time

Cody (11:50):
because it's kind of a 1 0 1 thing, I guess.
You know,

Tali (11:53):
your world, why wouldnt, it's a one-on 1, 0 1 thing, but
it's also, I think something youcultivate a feel for and you're
not really conscious of itanymore.
Mm-hmm.
I know when a lift feels right.
I know when a lift looks rightto the degree that it's hard to
be conscious of it sometimes.
It's just a knowing it'shappening so fast, and that's

(12:15):
kind of an important element tothis.
I had written a note aboutcourse correction and that has a
lot to do with what you'resaying about feeling connection
to the bar because, you know,given any lift especially a
dynamic lift, that's gonna beground overhead you know, if
you're not hitting yourtechnique just right, which is
gonna happen in higherpercentages No matter how sound
your technique is, that's kindof like the hallmark of that

(12:38):
that level of intensity is thatthere are gonna be things that
go wrong, but if you aren't likemoving with intention or feeling
that bar or not trying to liketrick yourself out of how heavy
it feels in your hands, right?
Because Right.
Maintaining that slower pace offthe be heavy.
Yeah.
You don't wanna, you don't wannalike.

(13:00):
What the bar needs to do.
Mm-hmm.
And so if you are, if you'removing too quickly through it,
you won't have the opportunityto course correct because it's
all happening so quickly.
You're not feeling the areas ofwhere you need to make slight
adjustments.
And we're talking about a liftthat lasts like three to four
seconds if that

Cody (13:21):
Yeah.
Right.
It's really

Tali (13:21):
quick.
Right?
So the slow is smooth, smooth asfast.
It's that we're, we're moving ata speed with the bar that we're
able to feel it all the waythrough.
Mm-hmm.
which

Cody (13:33):
maintains more intention and awareness, like throughout
the movement and

Tali (13:36):
the ability to correct mistakes.
Right.
That does happen all the time.
We see all these crazy lifts outthere where people are like
making great saves and whatever.
Like that's not by accident.
Mm.
They're moving with the weightin such a way that they can make
those crazy saves or thosereally wonky corrections.
Yeah.
In order to make the lift.

Cody (13:57):
And if you're not into weightlifting, just stay tuned
because a lot of this has carryover to some pretty universal
philosophical ideas here.
Mm-hmm.
I think in everything that wewere just talking about.
I would like to, real quickthough, before we get into like
personal development side ofthis, is just to draw more
analogies with for people whomight have different experiences

(14:18):
outside of weightlifting.
Mm-hmm.
because this whole slow issmooth, smooth as fast is just
as applicable to something likelearning guitar, for instance,
or any musical instrument ifyou're gonna learn a, a riff or
a scale or some sort of patternof notes.
It is, it's, it's an old.
Old technique for teachers forcenturies probably to like slow

(14:41):
the tempo of the song down muchslower than it was intended to
be Played.
Sure.
To teach the student to play atthe proper cadence and to hold
the notes for the proper lengthof time and to find the notes
without having to stutter.
Stop stutter.
You've heard people who are likeamateurs or just learning to
play guitar and it's like B B BB, B B, like they kept catch up

(15:06):
on it.
It's better to just go ahead andslow the whole tempo down so
that if you're having to searchfor notes, at least you're going
nice and smooth.

Tali (15:13):
It's hard to do though.
It's really tempting to wannamove faster.
and I can say that.
In regards to piano.
When I was following the book,which was teaching me to read
music and to, to classicallylearn to play the piano, it
drove me crazy to try to slow itdown because I wanna sing along
to the song.

(15:34):
I wanna get to the end And soit's easy to just kind of like
what it's easy.
I wanna get to the end.

Cody (15:39):
It's like a goal, goal-oriented song.

Tali (15:41):
I know.
I just, I wanna be able tocomplete the song.
You know, I wanna be able to, tolearn what comes next as opposed
to just being stuck on the firstgotcha verse or measures or
however you wanna phrase it.
But it's really hard to committo that.
And the same thing is inweightlifting.
It's really tempting to wannarush things because then it's
over with.
Or you know you're gonna get itto your shoulder sooner.

(16:02):
Or you know, why you think youcan like trick or cheat the bar
is ridiculous.
It will always tell youotherwise.
The bar is always boss.
Mm-hmm.
Oh, I like that.
Boss Bar is Bar is Boss.
Boss.
Yeah.
And yeah, I, I would say thatthat's kind of true to form when
it comes to learning.
Any new skill for myselfpersonally, is always wanting to

(16:24):
skip ahead to get to a pointwhere I'm feeling comfortable
and to slow things down enoughto do them correctly is not in
my nature, but weightlifting hastaught me that that is really a
beneficial way to go.
Yeah.

Cody (16:38):
I use the same technique when I'm coaching boxing as
well.
So I don't coach boxing forfighting.
I'm just gonna put that outthere.
I'm not a martial arts expert orany kind of expert when it comes
to fighting arts, but I havetaught quite a bit of boxing
technique as far as safety andEF and efficacy is in, in
fitness realms.
So heavy bags and focus mittsand that kind of thing.

(17:01):
And I try to teach real boxingposture and real mechanics.
Like I said, footwork comesfirst and moving the hips, that
kind of thing.
So it's not, it's not likecheesy group class fitness, but
it's also not like I'm, I'm nottraining you to get into a
battle.
So it's somewhere in between,somewhere in between But it's
very easy to teach completenewbies different combinations

(17:25):
and positioning with their bodyto be able to move their hips
properly by teaching it inslowmo.
Mm.
So I have them, you know, get inthe proper stance, feel the
weight in their feet, move theirhips, and it's nice and slow.
Nothing about boxing should beslow.
I mean, every time you throw.
a punch.
It should be fast.
Whether it's powerful or not,because not every punch is

(17:47):
intended to be maximum power,but it should be fast because
otherwise you're telegraphingwhere it's gonna land and your
opponent just goes, eh, youknow, moves outta the way.
So you're training at halfspeed.
So you're training at half speedthough to get the body mechanics
to flow.
And it's exactly the sameconcept.
Once it's smooth, then you cangradually start to turn up the
speed.
And so and then one more analogyI just wanted to mention is like

(18:11):
starting a fire.
If you start a fire in thefireplace and you put in like a
bunch of big logs and a bunch ofpaper and you're just like, wow,
you know, trying to like rushthe process, it's gonna be a
flash and pan.
You will not ignite, you won'tget a fire.
So you have to be willing tostart slow.
You have to like put the papersmall kindling, get that
crackling a little bit, add alittle bit bigger stick, get
that crackling, and then finallylike, you know, stack it full.

(18:34):
So I feel like this really is acarryover to many, many things
in life.
Oh yeah.
These are physical things thatwe're talking about, but I'd
like to get into some of thepsychology behind this as well.

Tali (18:45):
Well, before we get there, cuz I, I don't necessarily have
a, like, a lot prepared in thatlevel, like that depth.
But I think it could be justlike really practically applied.
Like, not even just a skillacquisition, but I'm a person
who feels like they're oftenrushing.
Mm-hmm.
I'm always rushing to get outthe door, always rushing to do

(19:05):
my makeup, always rushing to getready or we a cook or whatever.
Yeah.
We pack a lot in our lives.
Yeah.
I have a, I just have like thisconstant feeling of lajas, which
is a Hebrew word for like, thatcertain pressure you feel when
you're on a time clock.
And all of those areself-induced for the most part.
I could give myself all the timein the world, but I will still

(19:26):
only use like the last littlestretch of it.
most effectively.
Yeah.
But a lot of times I, I now amable to stop myself and say,
okay, slow down.
Mm-hmm.
because if I'm rushing, thequality of whatever I'm doing is
gonna suck.
Mm-hmm.
or I'm gonna make a bigger messthan what I started with.

(19:46):
Or, you know, I'm gonna leavefeeling frazzled and not put
together and it's just gonnakind of set the tone for the
whole day.
And so thinking about slow assmooth, smooth as fast, it just
gives me a moment to like, stopreset and just be like, okay,
take your time.
Like, I'll notice that like mymotor skills or my motor

(20:08):
patterns like aren't as clumsyor, you know, if you ever like
try to rush, tie your shoes orlike rush put on your jacket,
it's like, you know, or yourshirt and it's inside out, you
know, that happens out of likerushing too much.
Mm-hmm.
and just being able to like pullback and.
The odd thing, which is kind ofcounterintuitive, is that you'll

(20:31):
actually get more done if youjust like slow the F down
because at that point you'remitigating any kind of missteps
that rushing might induce.
And that's what I was sayingabout weightlifting is that when
you're rushing it, you areabandoning a lot of important
technique that's gonna make youmore privy to mistakes.
Mm-hmm.
And that's the same in anythingelse.

(20:52):
Any other task.
Yeah.

Cody (20:55):
Yeah.
Fast.
Fast is sloppy until you'vepracticed it enough.
It's almost like you have toearn.
The ability to be fast is at, atsomething.
And that's a good way of puttingit.
I actually put a note on here.
I know this keeps coming up.
So this is an ad nauseumsituation where I keep
mentioning the same word, butit's cuz we're reading this book
called Essentialism and I'mfascinated by the idea that Greg

(21:19):
McEwen, the way he puts forth,not just in his book, but on his
podcast too, I'll provide a linkfor you.
So read the notes here, but he'sjust so good at boiling down
ideas and trying to get you tothink in essentialist terms.
And one of his sayings is, doless but better.
Yeah.
And I think the still kind ofapplies to this concept of slow

(21:43):
as smooth, smooth as fast,because if.
If you eliminate distractions orjust say like, wait, I'm not
gonna rush this.
I'm just gonna go ahead and takemy time and put the quality in.
Then it can, it can lead tofaster results, which is what
we're doing things for in ourlives.
Well,

Tali (22:00):
you had mentioned efficiency.

Cody (22:02):
Yeah.
And so I think it kind ofrelates to that essentialist
idea.
It's like, yeah, we're not gonnarush and just so we can do more.
We're gonna do less but better.
And slowing down and smoothingthings out, I think can really
lead to that essentialistmindset, which is so freeing.
Like, it's so fun to like, youknow, Marie Condo talks about

(22:24):
decluttering your house and yourenvironment.
Right.
I'm so

Tali (22:26):
glad you're bringing her up.
I'm glad that was beneficial

Cody (22:29):
for you.
Yeah.
I mean, I, I don't really, Idon't really buy into it for me.
Like, I don't, I love, well,

Tali (22:36):
I don't buy into her categories.
Yeah.
I love her level oforganization, but she's got this
like, like clothes kitchen.
And then paper and everythingelse.
Yeah.
Like that can't be onecomponent.
That's crazy.
Well, you and

Cody (22:51):
I are into a lot of classical styles.
So we meaning, well, like inarchitecture, we love ornate
things.
And like the beauty thatarchitecture was before Oh,

Tali (23:05):
I guess the eighties.
Is she too much of a minimalistfor you?

Cody (23:07):
Yeah.
Everything.
It's like living in a hospital,I feel like if I were to live in
Marie Kondo's house, but mypoint is, is I like stuff
around, but I like the conceptbecause I don't, I like having
stuff around Nick Nags books,whatever, but only if I love
them.
Like I only want stuff that Ireally like and not a bunch of
trash just to fill space, youknow?

(23:28):
And there's, so I think you caneven apply a minimalist mindset
or ideal even to an aestheticthat you and I like where we
like rich colors and we likeartwork and.
you know, if we have a millionbooks all over the house and I
love that.
I love that look.
But that doesn't mean I want tojust pick up every knickknack at

(23:48):
a garage sale and startcluttering every shelf.

Tali (23:51):
This is definitely a tangent.
probably where I'm gonna betaking this.
But my desire for like beautifulthings in our home has really
changed since we've moved here.
one, because you have too muchcrap, one is because of all the
crap that we've had to move outfrom two previous generations
living in this home.
Yes.
And then the second is that welive in like the Dustiest place

(24:15):
on earth.
You know, dirt, roads, highdesert.
There's just like dusteverywhere all the time.
Yes.
And bugs and, yes.
And so I think about havingstuff as like more opportunity
for dust to collect.
Yeah.
So I only want enough stuff thatlike, I'd be able to keep it.
cleaner, clean.
Yeah.
Yeah.

(24:35):
We also have a lot of house forthe two of us.
We do.
It's hard.

Cody (24:39):
But I guess the reason I bring her up is that I feel like
slow is smooth, smooth as fastis almost like a decluttering of
processes as well.
And essentialism, same, samekind of thing.
Hmm.
Where it feels better in themind.
David Allen talks a lot aboutthis too.
Who's that?
He wrote a book which I'll linkin the notes cause I'm
forgetting the name of rightnow.

(25:00):
But he, he wrote a book.
Yeah.
It's on Awesome guy.
It's on organizational skills.
Okay.
It's on, I, it's got someobvious name that it, I'm gonna
feel stupid for forgettinglater.
But he basically says like, themore you can have a reliable,
it's very critical that it'sreliable system for organizing
all of your thoughts.

(25:21):
So, You and I are list makerslike you and I have so many
notebooks all over this house.
It's kind of insane.
We also have paper planners, butwe also use Evernote and we also
use Google Drive, and we havelike we have Oh, for note taking
and yeah, we, we have idea stuffspread out all over the place.
Mm-hmm.
and his book is, is aboutsystematizing that so that you

(25:44):
have a reliable way of capturingideas.
So nothing ever gets, there'sThere's never a feeling of like,
Ooh, I don't wanna forget this.
You don't have to worry about itcuz you know you have a system
you can trust.
But maybe

Tali (25:56):
pairing down to just one method as it opposed to, well,

Cody (25:59):
pairing it down so that it's consolidated and it, the
way he organizes it is a littlebit like a funnel.
So you have like a catchallfolder in your Evernote that's
just like every thought, everyidea, every.
clipping every, you, you know,take pictures of books.
Do you wanna make notes out oflike, everything?
Kinda like on one document, onething.
Yeah.
And then there's a, oh, thatmakes me sick.
Yep.
No, not on a document.
In a folder.
In one folder.

(26:19):
Okay.
Organized.
And then that catcheseverything.
And you know it's caught.
So you don't have to think that,oh, I'm gonna lose this idea.
And then you have a specifictime in your schedule where
these things can go.
Like, this is a to-do item, thisis a research.
Like maybe I can look it uplater.
Mm-hmm.
just by a keyword.
So I can just fold that away.

(26:39):
And it's a way of like filteringthese things down so that it's
always organized.
I have yet to ever get there inmy life, but I can understand
how by slowing down.
and smoothing out that process,how it can declutter your mind,
kind of like the Marie Kondoapproach to decluttering your
environment.

Tali (26:58):
What about the Dewey Decimal system?

Cody (27:03):
We should set that up for our library.
We have enough books that we canset that up.

Tali (27:07):
So fun fact I've heard about the Dewey Decimal system,
but I've never formallyinteracted with

Cody (27:13):
it.
For, for those of you who don'tknow us well, there's 16 years
between us and usually thatnever comes up.
Like I never think about it andhardly ever since we first got
together.
But every once in a whilesomething comes up where she's
a, she asks a question aboutwhat something is, and I'm like,
are you fucking kidding me?
I'm out.

(27:33):
Like, I am so old right now.
So we were watching Carrie,which was so good, which was
made in 1976.
It's almost as old as I am.
Mm-hmm.
And there's a part where she'sin the library and she's.
going through these little notecards with numbers and letters
on them.
You know what

Tali (27:52):
threw me off though, is that the first note that she
pulled up had a quote on it, andI was like, what is this just a
box of quotes?
Like it's a book title was it?
Yeah.
Oh, is a book title, right?
Because that's how they'recategorized or that's how
they're like annotated.

Cody (28:07):
Yes.
The book titles are inparentheses funny.
And then the author is outsidethe parentheses, you mean
quotations?
Yes, quotations.
Sorry.
Yeah.
And so she Oh, that's hilarious.
She looks over at me, we're likecuddling on the couch, and she
looks up at me and she's like,what is she looking through?
And I was like, stop the fuckingmovie.
I have to What?
What?

(28:27):
you are

Tali (28:27):
stunned.
I was stunned.
Your face, I've never seen that.
Look on your face.
You were like you looked likeboth frustrated and like you
were about to bust up laughing.

Cody (28:37):
I w yeah, I wasn't frustrated and I didn't want you
to feel like I was condescendingcuz it's just like, how would
you know?
You didn't grow up with that.
But I grew up with that.
I I remember having to like ridemy BMX bike down to the library
and like shuffle through cardsin order to find the book in the
library and take the card outand hand it to the librarian to
check it out.
And At your school, right?
No, at the public library.

(28:58):
At the public library.
Oh, okay.
And in my school, like they bothhad they, yeah.
So yeah, it's all digital.
It's all digital in these days.
Digital.
And because it's digital, youcan just look up the book you
want and it just tells you whereto go find it

Tali (29:11):
in the books or in school.
So she was in her schoollibrary, right?
At my school.
I mean, I went to a very smallschool.
You just like looked through thebooks.
I know that they were allcategorized cuz they had the
little piece of tape over themwith all the numbers and
letters.
What's the Dewey Decimal systemon it?

Cody (29:27):
Never used it.
Yeah.
That was a requirement of, of mygrade school was learning the
Dewey Decimal system, like howit worked, how the categories
were

Tali (29:37):
arranged.
It's, well, it's impress of how,how, well I don't know if it's
universal, but you said it'slike nationwide.

Cody (29:41):
It's at least nationwide.
I think it's, I think it'sprobably more, it's like all
like English speaking, Europeantype nations.
I don't know how far the DeweyDecimal system works.
Well, like

Tali (29:53):
I said, this could be a tangent, but very much a
tangent.
That's

Cody (29:56):
hilarious.
But it definitely is organized.
Yes.
And which is how you got on thetangent,

Tali (30:02):
Right.
Well, it's funny because animage keeps coming to mind.
I was saying how, you know, Ithink about slow as smooth,
smooth as fast, when I'm feelingparticularly rushed, or if I
just notice that like, whateverI'm doing is going horribly,
horribly wrong, like, just liketripping over my words, like
slowing down.
I know when I was, you know, youand I were first getting

(30:24):
together, I was really in thehabit of correcting what I was
saying mm-hmm.
and slowing down my speech sothat I could reach for the words
that I wanted.
And I, I can hear myself doingit right now, that I'm thinking
about it, and it feels so slow.
To do that.
Yeah.
But the more comfortable I getdoing that, the easier my speech

(30:49):
can be.
Mm-hmm.
But what always keeps coming tomind is like those people in
infomercials, that are like, youknow, fusing with their phone or
like dropping things out of apan and it's like really
catastrophic.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Those people are so funny.
I, what did I write?
I said infomercial.
Imbeciles.

Cody (31:08):
Yes.
I'm gonna link to one of thosevideos in the description of
this podcast because they arehilarious.

Tali (31:15):
They're like entire compilations on YouTube.
Yes.
For those.
And it's the funniest and itwould be for something totally.
unrealistic.
Like your telephone that has acord on it, they're like, do you
still have a cord that'sattached to the wall?
And they're like, you know,playing with the

Cody (31:30):
cord, like all the, they're caught in it around
like, spider-Man just attackedhim or something.
Yeah.
It's just like, I've never hadthat issue.
Yeah.

Tali (31:37):
Well so another area that it came up in recently, this
weekend I was finishing up mynutrition coaching
certification.
It's, yay.
Its a big mouthful.
Yay.
It only took me three years.
Three years

Cody (31:50):
working against Gravity certified coach.

Tali (31:52):
Yeah.
That's a really great feeling.
Yeah.
And the last bit of the choruswork was coaching women through
pregnancy and there was anemphasis on this concept in what
they call the fourth trimesteror the postpartum phase.
And, you know, there being a lotof pressure to Get your pre-baby

(32:16):
body back or to get back toyeah, bounce back, back to
normal life.
And there can be a lot ofpressure put on oneself to, you
know, get right back to trainingor right back to tracking
macros.
And a lot of the themes incoaching someone through
pregnancy is really developingan awareness for what their body

(32:36):
needs and focusing on morefoundational things like the
quality of your food, notnecessarily the quantity, which
obviously macro counting is a,has a big part of.
And I think the idea there, Youknow, it takes small steps to
create really long lastingchange and there's no rush to do

(33:00):
it.
You and I were just talkingabout this earlier today, where
it's really easy to wanna makeall of our decisions right now
about where we want to be.
Mm-hmm.
later down the line.
Mm-hmm.
And there's something very like,virtuous about that, that I
think comes really naturally toone of, like, put yourself in
that position, be the personthat you wanna be, yada, yada.
However, there are lots oflittle things between us now and

(33:22):
us at that point that need tohappen.
And so, you know, making smallchanges one degree a day, which
is a topic that we've talkedabout on this podcast many
times.
Mm-hmm.
that I think parallels andembraces the idea of slow,
smooth, smooth as fast.
Like take your damn time.
Mm-hmm.
like take the required stepsthat you need, that your body's

(33:43):
demanding of you, that yourenergy allows you to do.
Mm-hmm.
you know, not to fight or pushthrough it.
Yeah.
There are moments in our lifewhere that is demanded out of
us, but that's not a greatfrequency to be operating at all
the time.
That sounds so stressful.
Yeah.

Cody (34:00):
Well, you can't on a sprint all the time.
That's why sprinting issprinting.
Yeah.
Yeah,

Tali (34:03):
exactly.

Cody (34:04):
You can't sprint a marathon.
Like, well, people run marathonsfaster than I sprint, but it's,
it's relative.

Tali (34:09):
Right.
And wildly that like a certainlift, like a clean and jerk,
like, that's such a microcosmYeah.
Of that idea.
Mm-hmm.
like, we're talking aboutsomething that happens in such,
such a short amount of time.
Yeah.
This feels very much like a,like interstellar movie.
Mm-hmm.
kind of concept where there'sthese you know, stretches of
time or whatever that.

(34:30):
We think about toosimplistically.
Yes.

Cody (34:33):
Well, you're sort of like running through my notes.
Am I file in like one sentence?
So I wanna wait,

Tali (34:38):
wait, wait.
I have to finish that thought.
Okay, go.
So yeah, thinking about a liftas like a microcosm of, you
know, that that postpartumstretch.
Oh yeah.
You know, like if you thinkabout the steps that you need to
take in order to like, you know,bring your body back to a healed
state or like an optimal stateafter, you know, having put it

(35:02):
through a lot of change instress, you know, within that
lift.
Like there are small steps, likethere's that pushing through the
feet, there's passing throughthe shins with the shoulders
over the bar, and then it, youknow, pulls back into the hips
and then the hips extend andthen this, you know, the
momentum's on the bar and thenyou're pulling under, like
there's all these little stepsthat will make an a sound lift

(35:25):
and.
It's just kind of wild to thinkabout how this concept can be
applied to something soseemingly small.
Mm-hmm.
or short and something so long.
Yeah.
Like that's really fun to think

Cody (35:38):
about.
Yeah.
And that's it.
That's why I said you're, you'restealing my notes.
Cause I actually No, it's great.
I actually put on here microversus macro.
Ooh.
And you really did.
You could look at that as likesingle task versus a larger
project.
And the concept can really carrythrough in both directions.
So I want to give a little bitof context to another hard

(36:02):
lesson that I've learned, whichis in 17 years of owning a gym
previous to our current business17 years is quite a while to, to
try to develop a business and totry to be successful in a niche,
you know, but looking back, Ican.
Pull out a few differentmistakes.

(36:23):
Like there are a few lessonsthat I've learned from that that
have are valuable lessons movingforward in our future pursuits.
One of them is exactly whatyou're talking about is I was
trying to rush results and in sodoing, I stretched out a
failure, if you will, for 17years.
And the analogy I was thinkingof just now as you were talking

(36:44):
was like trying to run on ice.
If you just like try to likejump out of the gates like you
would on a track and just likesprint out of the gate on ice,
you're gonna be in one spotfalling on your face or like
spinning out.
But if you gradually lean intothe run and you gain speed, you
can run on a slick surface likethat.
And that's a little bit howbusiness is, I think.

(37:07):
In a lot of pursuits, inpersonal achievement type
pursuits, we are so eager to getto the point of success or to
embody that success or to be, orto have the skill or whatever it
is that we're trying to pursuethat we live in a shortcut
society.
Like we're always looking forthe hack or the skillset that's

(37:28):
gonna like elevate me, get richquick, get rich quick, and yeah.
It's

Tali (37:33):
get fit in 30 days.
Like Yeah.
All

Cody (37:35):
that shit.
30 day challenges.
Yeah.
All that's garbage.
And we're doing a 90 daychallenge.
Well, but our 90 day challengeis different than, because I'm
not promising people to getcertain results at the end of 90
days.
Right.
I'm, I'm, I'm hoping that weprovide an experience that they
can then continue with momentumthrough

Tali (37:54):
their relationships and their lives.
Yes.
It's momentum building.
Yeah.
I have that written here too.
And that would be a reallyimportant feature, I think, to
advertise.
Mm-hmm.
is like, this is how you buildmomentum.
Yes.
It made me think about ourfinancial life too.
The debt snowball.
Oh yeah.
Think about that.
Like that seemingly startedpainfully slow.
Oh yeah.
You and I were paying off billsthat were like, you know, debts

(38:18):
that were like$70.
17.
17.
Yes.
That was our smallest debt.
I can't remember what it was,but I do remember having a
really teeny, tiny debt.

Cody (38:27):
Yeah.
A bunch of stupid little billswe were just procrastinating on
cuz we were just so lost andbroke.
And unorganized.
And unorganized.
Yeah.
And, and when we took thatsmooth approach, yeah.
The first three months were alittle agonizing kind of.
And I say kind of, but we werebuilding a lot of confidence.
Yeah.
I say kind of because there wasactually some joy in that.

(38:47):
I don't know, I think you willrelate to what I'm saying is
that even though we were stillkind of broke and we were going
out on dates that were like,we'll share a cup of coffee and
half a cookie each, and that wasour whole date and we best dates
in my life.
Yeah.
And that's when we learned tomake Ramen at home or that's
when we started trying to likerecreate restaurant meals at
home.
Yeah.

(39:07):
And so we would call it a Toyotebowl, even though it was like
our version of this restaurantor

Tali (39:12):
we would make Nogs Nogs was our restaurant that we went
to on our first

Cody (39:16):
date.
Yeah.
So, We in dialing things backlike that though, it felt good,
right?
Like it really felt good cuzit's like, we have a handle on
this.
It's slow, it's really slow andit feels like we're gonna be
here forever.
But we were grasping it.
Yeah.
And we gained a lot ofconfidence and just peace of
mind.
Like, I remember just being likeso relaxed by about month three.
It's like, oh, we're not behindon the motorcycle payment

(39:38):
anymore.
Or at least caught up on bills.
It started to feel likeprogress, but it did take three
to six months to really feellike the snowball, quote
unquote, was actually working.
Oh yeah.
It was moving fast.
And now we are one payment awayfrom paying off our car.
And I think we're down to twodebts.

Tali (39:59):
We're down to a couple.
We have a, we've got an IRS

Cody (40:01):
bill.
Oh yeah.

Tali (40:04):
Irs.
Irs.
Bill, my weightlifting shoes.
and student loan.
Student loan and a businessdebt.
I'm, I feel like I'm gonna diewith that loan.
No, you won't.
I know, I know.
It's just tricky because we'velike made it to the major three
and then we've added a bunch ofdebt.
There's this yeah.
Concept that I was reading aboutearlier today.

(40:27):
The upper limit, something likethe upper limit sabotage or the
upper limit.
Something where you gain acertain level of success and you
kind of like feel like you'refloating out there.
Like, oh shit, I've like, Ihaven't like grown into my
britches yet.
Exactly.
Mm-hmm.
And so then you come up with allthese ways to kind of sabotage

(40:47):
yourself because that learningphase feels safe.
Mm-hmm.
kind of like what you weresaying, like building momentum
and confidence in our financiallife.
Well, I see that all the time,which I think is really
interesting.

Cody (41:00):
Yeah, that's interesting because I've seen that all the
time in fitness world too, wherepeople start to get a level of
success that they've never seenbefore.
Like they.
It's surreal.
That's why, yeah.
I've coached people.
It's such a wonderful feeling asa coach to have people like,
I've never been this fit, orI've never been this capable, or
I've never been able to do thisbefore.
And they, and they hit that, andthen they kind of hit a stride
where it's like all of a suddenthey start missing workouts or

(41:23):
all of a sudden they startputting beer back into the diet
or whatever.
Or they, it's
like

Tali (41:27):
grow a fat ego

Cody (41:29):
or that.
But I, I've seen people sort oflike get to this level that
they've never been to before,and then it's almost like they,
they don't embody it.
What got them there and whatthey need to do to stay there or
continue to improve

Tali (41:45):
maintenance is harder than

Cody (41:46):
building slowly step back.
Yeah.
And I'm totally guilty of that.
Oh yeah.
And I can show you pictures fromthe last 10 years to show you
that I'm guilty of that Yeah.
That's an interesting tangentthat we just went on.

Tali (41:57):
Well, that's, that's what's so important to me about
getting into the driver's seatwhen it comes to nutrition
coaching is.
I don't want that yo-yoing.
Yeah.
Anymore.
Mm-hmm.
I wanna be like even keeled,smooth.
Have lot.
Yeah.
Have lots of tools in my pocket.
Yeah.
To just like maintain.
Mm-hmm.
maintenance is really hardbuilding and like, you know, you

(42:19):
and I have a a power liftingmeat coming up and it's so easy
to like get your ass in gearwhen there is an end point or an
arrival point, but just doing itfor the sake of doing it or for
like lifestyle benefits can feelreally hard.

Cody (42:34):
It can, yeah.
And I think that has a littlebit to do with the mindset up
front though too, which is whyI'm always like, stop setting
goals.
Let's embody the person youwanna be and think of that in
terms of like, I want this newpractice to be something that is
who I am and what I

Tali (42:51):
do.
But sometimes that embodying whoyou wanna be.
Like I mentioned before, you canskip steps by kind of like fake
it till you make it.
I know we've talked about thisbefore, where.
you can start to like, implementthings in your life that are
maybe more in line with whereyou want to go as opposed to
where you are.
Mm-hmm.
and this particular idea, Iwould say parallels are episode

(43:15):
about warming up a lot moreabout like, feeling things out,
preventing injury.
Mm-hmm.
you know, mitigating mistakes.
Yeah.

Cody (43:26):
I have on here rushing results can lead to injury.
Which really obviously in thefitness world, you know.
Thank you.
You've ob you know, obviously ifyou try to set a new record
every time you go into the gymand add weight, add weight, add
weight, you know, you, I thinkcommon knowledge that that's
gonna lead to an injury.
Tell the Bulgarian that.
But we but we do as a people, aspeople who are trying to like

(43:50):
progress in life.
Change and grow.
I think sometimes we can do thatwith our psyche and not really
realize it, you know, like tryto improve too much too soon
instead of taking a longapproach with it.

Tali (44:05):
Well, I think so much of that has to do with our
attention span and like yousaid, we're a culture of get it
now, microwave, make it happennow.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, it's making me think aboutthat Miranda Lambert song,
automatic where she's like, likeI used to use a payphone and I
used to have to drive like allthe way to Dallas for a dress
and I had to you know, writeletters.

(44:25):
Mm-hmm.
yeah, our patients really, Imean, I know for myself my
patience is terrible.
Mm-hmm.
and.
That's why when I'm learningmusic, I just wanna push through
to a point that feels fun ratherthan learning the foundations.
And, you know, coaching is areally helpful tool to manage

(44:48):
that, especially if you'resomebody who feels tempted to
kind of skip ahead.
Yeah.

Cody (44:53):
Well, I'm fighting through that a little bit right now.
What you wanna go through.

Tali (44:56):
I was just gonna say, it's not always the worst method
though, because I don't know ifwe've recorded this podcast yet,
but learning through coaching,

Cody (45:05):
I think, or teaching, I don't know.
Will you talk about it so oftenthat I'm not sure if we've
recorded

Tali (45:09):
it or not.
So the reason it came up for mejust now is that, you know,
there was a, when I decided thatI wanted to become a CrossFit
coach, I had not been doingCrossFit for very long.
Mm-hmm.
And I was too afraid to tell mycoaches that I was doing this
because I was afraid that theywould be judgmental.
That like, you don't know whatyou're fucking doing yet.

(45:31):
And so I guess that just speaksto what I was saying before.
It's within my nature to want tolike skip steps.
Mm-hmm.
but that's also in favor of whatI find to be the most potent
less way of learning for me,that might not be the case for
everybody else.
Mm-hmm.

Cody (45:47):
Well, we've talked a lot in this podcast and in our
writing that you and I do totake action, like have an action
bias to that, there's such avast difference between knowing
something and experiencingsomething.
Mm-hmm.
And so you can't really fullyknow something until you just go
out and, and actually put actioninto something.

(46:07):
So I think there is a lot ofvalue and having that mindset,
that action bias to want to divein and do things.
But, but then when it comes tothe actual practice of getting
better at that, I think we doneed to, every once in a while,
pump the brakes and say, I'mgonna be a better coach if I
start with.

(46:28):
Maybe teaching just the on-rampclass for like a couple months,
you know, and just working withnewbies in small groups and, and
slowly build the momentum of thetype of clients you work with
and the type of things you'recoaching.
I was just telling you

Tali (46:42):
about that today when I was like, this just feels like a
stepping stone, my currentnutrition certification.
Oh, yeah.
Do a deeper dive later.
Yeah.
And that's what CrossFit was forme, for weightlifting.
Mm-hmm.
like, there was just kind oflike a, a, a general baseline or
a general understanding of lotsof different things to be able
to do the deeper dive.

(47:02):
Like doing the deeper dive rightoff the bat could have been
really scary.
Yeah.
That's always like kind ofmystifying to me, like folks who
get their PhDs really, reallyyoung.
Yeah.
Or like, they have likecombination programs where you
like, get your master's and thenyour PhD.
Mm-hmm.
I think Dory was gonna do that.
And then by the time she got hermaster's she was like, I'm done.

(47:23):
Yeah.
That was plenty.

Cody (47:25):
Well that kinda reminds me of a book ranged by David
Epstein in that you know, he'sadvocating for people to
experience and try a range ofthings rather than try to
specialize early.
Cuz there's sort of this myth ofwhat he calls like the Tiger
Woods myth where Tiger Woodsstarted playing golf when he was
like two or something.
That's silly.

(47:45):
Like he walked and he playedgolf, you know, when he was an
infant.
And that's true.
Like he was cultivated to be anathlete from a very, very, very
young age.
And we tend to hear thesestories of people that are like
that.
Or examples of like Chineseweightlifters for instance, who

(48:06):
maybe start when they're like,you're old enough to walk, pick
up that bar, you know, Yeah.
But what he found through hisresearch, cuz he was actually
like a sports journalist beforehe wrote this book.
Oh, cool.
So there are a lot of sportsanalogies in there and what he
found is that, that those areoutliers that get famous.
And so people think that that'sthe road to success, specialize

(48:29):
early.
And niche down, niche down,niche down, niche down.
Until you're just like theleading expert in that.
Right.
Another

Tali (48:38):
way they, well, and the rest of us who don't, who, who
like missed that boat when wewere two years old are like,
shit outta luck.
Yeah.
You, you we're just gonna be,what were

Cody (48:47):
those?
It's like, I'm 25.
I'm too late to start.
And what was, people like GaryVaynerchuk are out there.
Like, you, you have so much lifeahead of you.
Like, shut up.
Like what was that

Tali (48:55):
work movie we watched Divergent where they have those
different factions of like,you're this or this or this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then there's like thefaction list who like, they're
like society's outcast becausethey're not like specifically
geared for anything.
Yeah.
But turns out those faction listpeople are the bad asses.
No, it was the divergence thatwere.

(49:15):
Maybe they were synonymous.
I can't really remember.
Anyway,

Cody (49:19):
the silly value system, the idea with the book range is
not that it's not valuable tospecialize, but that you will
probably be able to specializebetter if you have a range of
experience to work from.
So, you know, especially whenyou're young, try lots of
different things.
Go to different schools, take alot of different classes.

(49:41):
Don't specialize, don't pick amajor your first year of school.
Like don't, we shouldn't bepromoting that even, but to have
a wide range and I kind offorget how we got on this topic,
but I think that take taking ourtime, it just goes to that
slowest, smooth, smoothest, fastthing.
Because what his point was, isthat if you take your time and

(50:04):
don't try to rush to a nichepursuit, that even though it may
look like you're slower comingout of the gates, you may
develop experiences and skills.
That somebody who specializedearly on never were exposed to,
right?
So you can bring insights toyour specialty later on that
other people would miss.

(50:24):
And so you end up excelling at ahigher rate later on than the
people who niched very early.
Mm-hmm.
And that's one of the conceptsof that book is it's kind of
exactly what we're talkingabout, slow as smooth, smooth as
fast, but on a sort of like alifespan type of macro view.
Yeah.
Is to like spend a lot of yearsin a lot of diversity and it can

(50:48):
set you up for a moreintelligent approach at any
niche that you te that you wannapursue later on.

Tali (50:54):
So I have a note here that says contrast and we always have
to pay devil's advocate on thesame thing.
I want to think about like wherethis might not apply and.
First thought was when it comesto our relationship, you and I
have the agreement that we'regonna bring things up as soon as
they come up and really embracethat maybe those feelings aren't

(51:17):
really sorted out yet.
Mm-hmm.
and we're gonna help each otherwork through them and
investigate them.
But I don't know if it startedthat way.
You know, it had to have takensome practice.

Cody (51:32):
It did, but it was really early on.
I remember the conversationwhere you brought that up.
Like, if anything's wrong, Iwant it brought to the table as
fast as possible, because Idon't want resentment to build.

Tali (51:43):
Well, for instance, I have a person that I'm very close to
in my life that we've had alittle bit of a rift since COVID
was all going down because wewere on opposite sides of the
fence.
There was just not a lot ofunderstanding on either side.
And I feel like ourrelationship's been a little

(52:03):
fractured by it, even thoughlike the calm after the storm is
mm-hmm.
you know, the dust has settled,I guess.
And I haven't jumped to theopportunity to address it, and
that might just be because Idon't have that kind of practice
with them that I have with you.
Even though we talk all the timeabout how honesty has been like
pouring out into other areas ofour lives or addressing tension

(52:27):
when it exists.
You know, trying to eradicate itright away.

Cody (52:30):
Well, and you have developed that as a skill with
other people.
We talked about it on episode 30of the podcast that meeting
people where you're at, wherethey're at or start where you're
at, I think is what the titleis.
Well, it that you and I, but Icongratulated you or, or edified
you a bit on that podcast foryour.
Skill of approaching difficultconversations quickly.

(52:54):
Yeah.
Because you, I've seen it, I'veseen it evolve in you since we
had gotten together and it'samazing.

Tali (53:00):
Well, I have to say I haven't felt like particularly
moved to seek it out, but that'salso because neither one of us
were reaching out to each othermm-hmm.
And now that one of us has, Ifeel compelled to address it.
Mm-hmm.
So just slow is smooth.
Smooth is fast work when itcomes to relationships.
Well, because you and I werelike, fast is fast, fast is

(53:22):
good.
Yeah.
Well we were just celebratingall of our anniversaries of like
when we met, when we slept overat each other's house.
Our first date, our first kissall happening in the month of
January.
Yeah, you and I just like, wejust went right to it like we
did

Cody (53:38):
fast.
As fast and if you want anexample of how fast folks, oh
God.
What Well, we were just puttingthe timeline together and we
kind of disagreed on like whatthe timeline was until we
started looking through some oldtext messages.
Right.
I'm like, holy shit, this wasfast.
So we got together in January.
We were sort of like officiallyseen.
We met in December.

(53:58):
Yeah.
We barely, yeah, barely.
We officially were like datingby like week 2nd of January, so
it wasn't even the whole month.
I went to Mexico for a month inFebruary, I came back and by the
end of March we were engaged.
Are you sure?
Yes.
Because I have the timeline inour text messages of when we met
Ken and Mara for breakfast andwe told.

(54:24):
Or you, you told your mom, youtold your mom that

Tali (54:26):
time that we met them on the rooftop

Cody (54:27):
deck?
No, no, no, no, no.
That was the first time that Imet them.
Right?
No, we You went out with yourmom and kind of spilled the
beans.

Tali (54:36):
I didn't tell her we were engaged.
I told her that like, yeah, I'mreally serious

Cody (54:40):
about it.
Point is we were basicallyengaged three months ago.
Are we

Tali (54:45):
That's true.
I don't think that's true.
Mm-hmm.
I'm not sure what documentationwould verify that.
I'll look back again because Ican't think

Cody (54:54):
of.
but we

Tali (54:55):
were fast.
That's my, yes, we were fast Soit's interesting that, you know,
there's this, this idea thatseems so universal, but, well,

Cody (55:05):
let's, let's back up a little bit to the concept of,
but

Tali (55:07):
it doesn't necessarily appeal to our nature.
I mentioned that.

Cody (55:10):
Oh yeah.
But I think we can, I don'tthink these ideas are in
conflict though, because I coachpeople all the time To start
where you're at.
Start, the key word there isstart like action bias, like
this kind of thing.
This is a big revelation for mein my life cuz I spent the first
42 years of my life gettingready to get ready, to get

(55:32):
ready, to get ready.
And I became a veryaction-oriented person just
about a year before I met you.
And my whole life has beendifferent since then.
Yeah.
And so I'm really hit, I'malways pushing this like, people
just act, just do like, stoptalking about your dreams, just
fucking work on'em.
Do something.
And But that doesn't mean thatyou have to be in a rush when

(55:54):
you're taking the action.
So start early, but start smoothand slow.
Like start slow,

Tali (56:01):
smooth off the floor.
I have that, yeah.
On a note.
And

Cody (56:04):
so, like I've talked about before about this thing I came
up with where, you know, peoplelike set the bar high, set the
bar high, and I'm like, no, youset the bar low, so low that you
just trip over it.
I love that you have to justthank you so much, set it so low
that you just can't help butaccomplish the thing that you
set out for, because then youaccomplished something.
And then you can go over thenext bar and the next bar and

(56:25):
the next bar and the next barand you have these milestones
that you can like achieve, butkeep them in bite size chunks.
So I think it really applies toslow and smooth.
It's just don't wait, don't donothing.
Like don't wait to take action.
Take action as fast as possible.
In the action itself, slow downand smooth it out.

Tali (56:47):
Does that make sense?
Yeah.
I feel like that can be to afault though.
And I only think about that nowwith which part?
The, the action bias.
Like I've, it's almost becomelike reflexive to me, where I've
mentioned like there in a lot ofdifferent ideas that we've

(57:08):
explored that there's, you know,stretching to the point of
injury or you know, like we'retalking about now, like needing
to warm up mm-hmm.
or to start off smooth off thefloor.
And I just feel like there'salso this kind of potential risk
of that action bias.
I guess the action bias is moreof like the starting point, like

(57:28):
you said, and then this is likea, a way of engaging with it.
Yeah, exactly.
How

Cody (57:33):
to interact with it.
Yeah, exactly.
And, and also think in terms ofresults.
like start action as fast aspossible, but be patient for
those results.
Like don't be so fixated ongetting to a certain point.
Well,

Tali (57:46):
it's like this podcast, right?
Mm-hmm.
like 30 something episodes in,we have the recording equipment
that we want, like pretty mucheverything that we could want.
Mm-hmm.
you know, maybe they could bebetter versions of it, but we
have all the capabilities thatwe want.
Mm-hmm.
where in the beginning, youknow, we started with a lot
less, or settled for a lot less,but we also kept it going.

(58:09):
We allowed ourselves to kind ofgrow into it.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Until like, this process isreally smooth and now we're
adding in another element.
Mm-hmm.
and another, you know?

Cody (58:19):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I wanted to bring a back aroundto my analogy with my business
before, because 17 years of sortof trying to rush results got me
pretty poor results in ourbusiness now that we're
launching.
You and I have been working onideas around this business for
about a year and a half now, cuzit was before I started at the

(58:41):
foundry.

Tali (58:42):
It's changed

Cody (58:43):
form a lot.
It's changed form a lot, butthat's been a slow process of
trying to get the ideas gelling.
Right.
But since we've really landed onan idea that we're both excited
about and are sure that we wannamove forward on, it's been
November, December, January, soit feels like longer.

Tali (59:02):
It feels like so much longer since you quit.
Yeah.
But

Cody (59:06):
Two and a half months, a little over two and a half
months.
I think the old me, like inprevious business, like I
would've been trying to domarketing two months ago.
I would've been already tryingto like get a first client, like
let's just build this as we doit kind of thing.
But instead, you and I.
Corrected.
One mistake that I from my past,which is we hired a mentor, we

(59:28):
have a coach.
And in having that coach, if youremember the way the curriculum
started, it's like, let's workabout mindset.
And I'm like, Ugh.
Like I already know what I wantto do.
here.
Like I don't, yeah, I don't needto like spend a week working
through homework on mindset.
But the thing is, is.
This slowest, smooth, smoothest,fast thing.

(59:50):
It, I feel like we're ramping upto a jumping off point now where
I, I feel so much moreconfident.
Feel ready for it.
Yeah.
In our success, once we dolaunch marketing, because I'm
starting to understand more ofit, and I've spent two, almost
three months now building theback end of things.
You know, creating a newwebsite, creating a new sales
page, creating all these newsocial media accounts and

(01:00:15):
understanding how they work andhow they link together and how
the marketing is going to be putforward and how to associate it
to this podcast.
I mean, there's like all thisstuff that's sort of a I don't
know, it's just easy to want toskip over.
Mm-hmm.
But I do feel confident thatonce we finally launch that
marketing, that when we get thefirst phone call or email coming

(01:00:36):
in, it's like, I'm confident.
I know that it's all set up.
It's working properly.
You and I understand our.
Product and what we're offering.
Well that

Tali (01:00:45):
was the hardest part.
Yeah.
We had a lot of components thatwe wanted to incorporate, but we
didn't really know how topackage it.
Mm-hmm.
Cuz you know, we want to use theskills that we have, but we kind
of wanted to move into a newmodel because we've done what
we've done.
We'd like to try something else.
Yeah.
So I

Cody (01:01:00):
feel like we're practicing this.
I feel like we're practicingthis sort of slow is smooth, but
smooth is gonna be fast becausewe are laying the foundation to
be able to properly implementthis business and structure it
correctly and have it be runningsmoothly and efficiently once we
get those first clients onboard.

Tali (01:01:19):
Yeah.
It can feel like a lot of frontloading and like a lot of effort
up front that is hard to kind ofmuster the energy up for.
Cuz it can feel lofty.
But it's been, like you said,it's been all drawn out for us
from our business coach, which Ican't.
express enough how valuable thatis to have.

(01:01:41):
Oh, yeah.
We've talked about mentorshipand how important that is.
It really fucking is.
Mm-hmm.
at least, you know, when itcomes to weightlifting as really
what I always draw myunderstandings to I feel now,
after having had weightliftingcoaches for seven to 10 years
now I feel like I can lift, youknow, and I can, you know, get

(01:02:06):
through a program withoutcoaching.
Yes, I'm a coach myself, butI've also used that coaching to
an advantage of like my ownunderstanding.
And I think that's just reallyvaluable to, to have someone
kind of take off your plate tostart with because it's so easy
to get overwhelmed.
All those components that youmentioned with our business.

(01:02:27):
It would've been so tricky to,to grab at all of them.
Mm-hmm.
Or to know how to prioritizethem or, yeah.
And that's, so often we've beentold like, don't worry how it
looks.
Don't worry if it's perfect.
Just fucking do it.
Ship

Cody (01:02:42):
it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, and I think you'retouching on what I wanted to try
to draw that parallel withEssentialism is that when you
slow down and we have a mentorthat's kind of, I don't wanna
say he's slowing us down, but heis like, before you do that, you
have to do this, this, and this.

Tali (01:02:59):
Well, when you're so close to the situation, it's easy to
forget all the components.
Someone who's like overseeingeverything.
Yeah.
But can really pay attention tothat.

Cody (01:03:07):
Yeah.
But our coach is also reigningus in on what needs to be done
versus what would be like niceto be done.
Oh yeah.
We

Tali (01:03:13):
wanted to like make merch and all sorts of shit.
Yeah.
Like even before we had a name.
Yeah.
you know?
Yeah.
Like, that stuff's sexy.
That stuff's fun.
And it's been hard to.
you know, get back to thedrawing desk or like to do what
feels more tedious.
Mm-hmm.
But the cool thing about it isthat it gets easier.
Yeah.
The more you get it done.
So one

Cody (01:03:30):
of my notes here is this, the idea with, in relating to
essentialism is that hurriedwork can actually produce more
work for you to do.
Yeah.
Than if you slow down and say,okay, this thing that I was like
panicking to get done does noteven have to be done.
Or it can be done six monthsfrom now.
Yeah.

(01:03:51):
If, but it, it takes slowingdown to know that.
Because if you're just so in itand you're just so doing the
work, it's like, oh, I need toget my, I need to finish that
journal cuz it's all written,all I gotta do is edit it and I
can publish it and blah, blah,blah.
You know, it, it's unnecessary.
None of that matters right now.
Well that's another

Tali (01:04:07):
component I was saying that like, that's a lot of
stress to put on one's body tolike always be in a state of
trying to move quickly.
And I would say that that's truein weightlifting too.
Where, you know, there's a lotof.
like amping up and smelling?
Well, it's not a lot of smellingsalts, that's more in like power
lifting, but like just trying tolike a, like rise to the

(01:04:30):
frequency.
Mm-hmm.
And I used to have coaches whofelt like I needed this.
Cuz I had learned to be justlike really zen about it.
Mm-hmm.
and that's not really typical ofthe culture or I don't know, you
know, being a weightlifter isreally badass and to be, you

(01:04:53):
know, kind of chill about it Ithink is odd.
Cuz it doesn't feel like itresonates or aligns with the
sport itself or what theobjectives are.
But I always felt like my verybest lifting is like when I
would be, you know, approachingit with a very calm demeanor and
like a level of focus that wasquiet.

(01:05:17):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And I feel like that really lentto my, my poise on, on the
platform.
Absolutely.

Cody (01:05:24):
That was something that was taught to me in my younger
days of performance arts.
Like if you're on stage, whetherit's music or drama nerves will
make you want to speed up andyou don't even realize your

Tali (01:05:38):
Yes.
Oh my gosh.
I can think about that withsinging, like when we sing at
our wedding.

Cody (01:05:41):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So typically songs sung live areat a faster tempo than they are
on the album because they havethe energy of the crowd and all
of this stuff going on.
And some of that's okay.
You know, that energy is greatto channel.
Yes, but if it's getting to thepoint where your nerves are like
taking over or you're makingmistakes, that's something that

(01:06:02):
was really taught to me early onis like, say your line's so much
slower than you think youshould.
Like say the line as if you arereally taking your time But what
that does is it,

Tali (01:06:17):
everyone is speeding up the podcast right now.
Oh

Cody (01:06:19):
yeah.
Well hopefully you do anyway cuzwe sound way more intelligent
when you listen to us at like1.5.
Uhhuh.
At least Uhhuh.
Yeah, The, but that idea oftaking that physical approach to
slowing things down also calmsyour mind.
Like you start to relax into itand then it can pick up a more
natural flow to it.
Yeah.

Tali (01:06:38):
So it allows you to do things correctly.

Cody (01:06:40):
for sure.
So it carries over, I think, toa lot of

Tali (01:06:42):
different areas.
It does.
And I feel like that's what I'veseen, like a lot of lifters get
carried away with.
Like, gosh, there's, I thinkit's so silly when there's all
this hype and barking and ryingand whatever, and then they miss
the lift and it's like, well,you probably amped yourself up
too much.
Yeah.
You know, you're not payingattention to what you're doing
anymore because you are, youknow, on such a fucking high,
you know?
Yeah.

(01:07:03):
Like bring it back down.
Yeah.
Crown those feet.

Cody (01:07:06):
And my last note here is about growth.
And I think that sometimes weare always taught that growth is
always good and the faster thebetter.
In, in whatever arena, whetherit's our physical performance or
our finances or business orwhatever.
And I think we can see in thebusiness world when this

(01:07:26):
happens, it can be very publicwhere something will take off
and it'll grow really fast.
And then the company justcollapses Because I, you and I
have experienced this before,actually we have with calling
into companies, I won't namenames, and some of it was like
COVID related, but where there'ssuch a growth of outpour for
demand, that the company itselfis like piss poor service, all

(01:07:50):
of a sudden you can't, what areyou talking about?
I'm not gonna mention it online,on the air, but when you're
trying to order equipment andit, oh, it's like, that's not
available.
That's not available.
You know, we'll email you whenit's available six months later.
It's like, what the fuck?
You know, it's like they're notkeeping up with the demand.
And you think, and this idea inbusiness is that demand is

(01:08:10):
always great.
Like, oh, I wish I had peoplebeating down my doors for this.
No, if you grow too fast, youcan't keep up with that.
Right?
And, and sometimes it's done onpurpose.
Like, this is kind of a clichestory in like the tech world in
Silicon Valley and or theinternet boom that happened in
the nineties where thesecompanies would have these huge

(01:08:32):
investment caps.
Like, oh, this company's worth$500 million.
And it started two months ago,you know, and it would collapse
because they had noinfrastructure built to be able
to handle that kind of yikesvolume.
And I think that, We can maybelook at that in our personal
lives too, like trying to growtoo fast makes you weak,
actually.

(01:08:52):
Like if you're trying to get toostrong too fast, it makes you
weak.
And so you have to smooth it outand take the proper steps of
growth.
A a good example of this is kindof gross, but oh my god.
What that, this is just anexample of how disgusting
corporate farming is.
Oh.
Which is like meat chickens.
I don't know if most people evenrealize this.

(01:09:13):
Oh, I know what you're gonnasay, but meat chickens have been
bred to.
And the way they're fed andhormones and whatever, but
they've been bred to grow sofast that a meat chicken can
grow so fast that its legs willbreak.
Like it's not even strong enoughto hold its own body weight on
its legs because there'sbasically a deformity.

(01:09:34):
But that's a perfect example ofhow this carries over to the
physical world.
It, or the psychological worldor business or whatever it is.
Trying to grow too fast can notonly diminish like the quality
of the work or maybe the successof the growth, but even if you
do grow fast and you, you get towhere you want to go, you might
break yourself or you break yourcompany or whatever it is along

(01:09:57):
the way because you haven'ttaken the time to get strong
Yeah.

Tali (01:10:01):
Properly along the way.
Well, we don't always havecontrol over that.
There are a lot of things in ourlives that maybe we don't
foresee that can cause that.
Growth spurt, if you will.
Mm-hmm.
you know, I, I just think aboutpeople who look back to their,
you know, younger self and beinglike, I had to grow up really

(01:10:22):
fast because of whatever thingstook place in their families
Sure.
Or in their lives or trauma orsomething like that.
Mm-hmm.

Cody (01:10:31):
But, but when that's thrust on you and it's not your
choice, I think that's just allthe more reason to recognize it.
Yeah.
And be able to take a step backand say, I need to work through
these things that I didn't havea chance to work through before.
You know, that's kinda how,

Tali (01:10:44):
and you and I are talking about our fitness lives where we
have a lot of control for wherethat goes and what that entails.
And you know, something that I,I find myself saying a lot is
that it's so easy for us tocreate our own suffering mm-hmm.
And I think it's so important tocatch it when we are doing it.
Yeah.
I think a lot of it can bemitigated with really asking

(01:11:06):
yourself like, it's this worthit.
is it necessary?
Mm-hmm.
does this concern me?
Yeah.
That could be a whole podcast inand of itself.
Oh yeah.

Cody (01:11:17):
Yeah.
Tangent city.
Yeah.
Did you get through your notes?
I got

Tali (01:11:21):
through all of my notes.
Cool.
I think so.
Yep.

Cody (01:11:24):
Yep.
I did too.
You think of anything else youwant to add to this?

Tali (01:11:29):
I mean, I just think it's a great call to action that
slowing yourself down to producebetter results you know, might
not be inherent to you, but tryit.
Mm-hmm.
you know, if things aren'tturning out the way that you
want them or if you are liftingand it's looking like dog shit,
like, just consider like pullback the reins.

(01:11:50):
Like let the weight be heavy.
Let the natural processes or themost effective processes trump
your eagerness to.
do it, make it happen.
Make it happen faster.
Mm-hmm.
whatever.
Yeah.

Cody (01:12:07):
Yeah.
Just remember it takes years tobecome an overnight success.

Tali (01:12:11):
Yeah.

Cody (01:12:12):
Yeah.
I like that.
Just be willing to Nestle intothe process and enjoy it.

Tali (01:12:16):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And let it be what it is.
Don't try to make it somethingit's

Cody (01:12:20):
not.
Mm-hmm.
Well as we mentioned earlier inthe podcast, is the first time
we've recorded it looks likeit's successfully recording
still.
Woohoo.
And I do wanna point out though,that the audio is gonna be
better online or on our podcastchannels versus the YouTube
because of some technicalupgrades that we'll need to do
eventually.
Mm-hmm.
so keep that in mind.

(01:12:41):
But our YouTube channel live allyour life or Fit Together, fit
together as some new brandingthat we are working on.
I'm gonna gonna go ahead andtalk about it a little bit.
Sure.
We are transitioning ourcoaching model to.
coaching clients couples, Ishould say, as clients remotely.

(01:13:01):
So we are providing both fitnessand nutrition as many coaches
do.
However, we are implementing aconnection practice into that.
So we call it couples connectionpractices.
Mm-hmm.
And so as you're getting fitterand improving your relationship
with food, you're strengtheningyour connection as a couple and

(01:13:24):
doing it together and, and kindof getting on the same

Tali (01:13:26):
page.
And it's also kind of like thatconcept of those oxygen masks on
the airplane where they alwayssay like, you know, put it on
yourself first before assistinganother.
Mm-hmm.
we can only show up as the bestpartners when we're taking good
care of ourselves.
Yeah, that's right.
When we're feeling ourselves andwhen we're, you know, feeling
accomplished.

(01:13:46):
Mm-hmm.
like we're going somewhere.

Cody (01:13:49):
Yeah.
So the new brand with that, our,our podcast will continue to be
live All Your Life.
That's the name of the overallcompany that we are operating
on.
All of the different things thatwe do under but Fit Together
brand is specifically for thiscouple's coaching.
We are super, super excitedabout, and we'll be sharing more
details, but I just wanted totease it a little bit now

(01:14:10):
because if you're searching forthis video, it's likely gonna be
on that channel for Fit Togetherslash live all your life.
And yeah, lots of cool thingscoming up.
So under

Tali (01:14:21):
the Philosophy of Fitness podcast,

Cody (01:14:23):
well the philosophy of fitness is a tangent within the
Live All Your Life podcast.
Right, right.
Yeah.
Right.
So I, but I wanted to tease thatout cuz we probably will have
other podcasts that arepertaining specifically to our
work with couples and therelationship aspects and things
like that.
So Yeah.
Yeah.
Anyway, just wanted to teasethat a little bit.

(01:14:44):
Cool.
Anything else you want to add?
No, this was fun.
All right.
Thanks babe.
Love you.
Love you too.

Tali (01:14:53):
This episode was produced by Tali Zari and Cody Limbaugh.
Check out our writing coachingservices and homesteading
adventures at live all yourlife.com.
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