May 19, 2023 • 42 mins
00:00 Cold Therapy Morning
05:05 Time Heals All Wounds (And other nonsense)
07:23 Active Recovery
13:47 Stoicism, The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck: A Counterintuitive Approach to Living a Good Life by Mark Manson
16:59 Growing Resilience
25:40 Taking Ownership Means Taking Action
31:19 Stop with the R.I.C.E.! (Dr. Mirkin coined the term in 1978, read his retraction here.)
36:13 Summary: Taking an active role in recovery
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Cody (00:16):
Hi, this is Cody Limbaugh.
And
Tali (00:17):
I'm Tali Zabari, and you're listening to the
Philosophy of Fitness Podcast onthe
Cody (00:22):
live All Your Life network.
Tali (00:43):
Good morning.
Good morning.
Not something we've said in awhile on this show.
Cody and I only recently wokeup.
We missed our appointment torecord this weekend, and so we
are squeezing it in during thework week.
And so far I'm already a fan.
Are you?
Yeah, I feel like it got me outof bed.
(01:03):
I mean, it's 7 24 right now andwe were supposed to get up at
six, but it seemingly felt likeeverything happened in success
in succession without too muchlag time.
Cody (01:15):
I wish there was caffeine in this coffee.
You do?
Tali (01:19):
Yeah.
Why didn't you make acaffeinated coffee then?
I'm
Cody (01:22):
just, I don't know.
I didn't anticipate beingsleepy.
Tali (01:26):
So the icebreaker for today is what your cold therapy
was this morning.
Cody (01:37):
Mm, I kind of wished out a little bit.
Did you?
So, I mean, just for me latelyfor the path I've been
Tali (01:43):
on.
Interesting.
You a stout and I stepped
Cody (01:45):
up.
Well, I usually balance, Iusually start with the cold,
just right into it, right intomy face in the cold shower,
first thing in the morning.
And I've been doing fiveminutes.
Yeah, it was a, this morning Iwas feeling a little bit grimy,
so I actually started with a hotshower.
Mm.
(02:05):
Took like a real shower and thenfinished with three minutes.
Usually it's e easier when youstart with hot.
Is it?
Yeah.
Because you kind of warm up yourcore body temperature a little
bit and then, oh,
Tali (02:20):
so it's kind of like cheating, so the call doesn't
feel so
Cody (02:22):
cool.
That's
Tali (02:23):
what I'm saying, so, but isn't it higher
Cody (02:25):
contrast, isn't that It is.
I'm sure I still got lots ofbenefit.
Tali (02:30):
Interesting.
There's higher contrast, yetyou're kind of warming yourself
up first.
I'll have to think about.
Mm-hmm.
Well I wouldn't call that likebacksliding or whistling out
Cody (02:42):
or anything.
No, I did it.
Yeah, I did it.
I just have been kind of rampingit up and.
Oh, it just wasn't up for thewhole thing today.
Five minutes of straight intothe cold.
Mm-hmm.
The more shocking it is, themore beneficial it's supposed to
be.
So it's almost like the more itsucks, the better it
Tali (03:01):
is for you.
Right.
Well, I just wanna preface myresponse to this question by
saying here mirror.
Mortals, we are regular people.
I think sometimes when I listento podcasts who people, the
people who are hosting it are inlike the health or fitness
industry, it's easy to put themon a pedestal.
(03:21):
Like, whoa, every moment oftheir day is so intentional and
so health focused.
And it's like this is a fewminutes out of our whole day
where all, there are all sortsof other kind of fuckups.
So yeah.
And I'm newer to the scene ofthis cold therapy.
(03:42):
I don't have any attitudetowards it now that I've started
it.
I had a lot more attitudetowards it before I did, which
is, you know, true to my form.
I am generally pessimistic aboutmost ventures ahead of time.
But I graduated today to fourbreaths on each limb.
(04:02):
I don't have a lot of interestin putting my face in any time
soon.
Hmm.
But yes, the water was crankedall the way cold.
I did start with a warm shower.
Cuz it, I do like to cleanmyself first.
Mm-hmm.
You know?
Mm-hmm.
Regardless of how many showersI've already had in the day.
But yeah, from three breaths tofour and it was no big thing.
(04:26):
Awesome.
Cody (04:27):
Yeah.
Feel really awake.
Tali (04:30):
I feel pretty awake.
My skin feels really tight,which I don't really love that
feeling.
I think the cold showers, youknow, hot showers should be
drying out your skin more.
So I don't know, I might have tostart lotioning or something to
accommodate for this newpractice.
But yeah, I'm awake.
Cody (04:47):
It's probably good for your skin.
It's good for everything else.
I suppose.
Maybe I come out red, so I'msure it's bringing like blood
flow to the skin.
Tali (04:57):
Yeah.
All sorts of like celerygeneration and turnover and
stuff.
Oh, sure.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't know.
All right, so today's topic, istime healing all or does it
really.
Cody (05:11):
Time heals all wounds.
That's the the saying.
Tali (05:15):
Yes.
And we're gonna be, you know,we're circling back to the
philosophy of fitness.
It's been a few episodes sincewe've had a topic that was
specific to our work as coachesor our work as athletes.
And so we'll definitely beexploring how this applies to
the gym.
And I would say this makes themost sense to me in the context
(05:35):
of the gym because.
When you are thinking about timehealing all wounds in your own
life, that's a long span of timeto be observing.
So I can't say I have anythingconcrete at the moment, but
hopefully something you say willtrigger something.
Cody (05:55):
Well, I prefer to say time heals some wounds because that's
fair.
Time heals all wounds is stupid.
I, I think a lot of, I think alot of Inspirational quotes and
sayings and colloquialisms.
I forget what other term to usefor these cliches that are
(06:17):
bandied about.
It's like they sound really goodat first, and then you start
thinking about it and thenyou're like, well, that's not
actually true.
That doesn't actually work.
That's so funny that you bringthat up because the other day I
was like, really honing in.
Someone says, I'd rather be safethan sorry.
Mm-hmm.
And I was like, gosh, thatsounds so good.
(06:37):
And I wonder if it's justbecause we hear it so often that
we've kind of adopted it assomething to live by.
Tali (06:44):
Mm-hmm.
Because it sounds good in ourlanguage, you know, I wonder if
you say it in another language,if they're like, Ugh, that
doesn't sound poetic at all.
But yes, I would, I wouldventure to guess that that is
not always.
Worth following.
Better safe than, sorry.
Yeah, I mean, I've kind of been
Cody (07:06):
a burning man.
They say safety second or
Tali (07:08):
something like that.
Do they?
Yeah.
Maybe I would fit in while I'mburning man, minus the camping
part.
I keep doing that.
I'm sure I will love the campingpart.
So stupid.
Cody (07:22):
Yeah.
Time does not heal all wounds.
I'm not sure that it.
We have a concept in the gymthat we call active recovery
because the old school way, orat least the way that I was sort
of brought up as a teenager, isthat you beat yourself up in the
gym and you're sore as hell, andthen you just sort of waited
(07:45):
out.
You just, the soreness willeventually go away and then you
can hit it again.
And you and I know that ascoaches, that that's bullshit.
We, we really encourage people,especially when they're new and
likely to be really sore fromnew stimulus that they're
experiencing for the first time.
(08:08):
The.
Best and the fastest way torecover is to come back in again
to keep training.
Mm-hmm.
Movement is magic and movementreally.
It is really gets you recoveringa lot faster than just sort of
waiting it out.
Oh, movement is
Tali (08:23):
magic or movement is medicine would make a great
t-shirt, I think.
Mm-hmm.
But that's also the same forwhat we see.
With injury when we have clientswho go to their practitioners
and, you know, have hurt theirknees or hurt their shoulder,
there's still this old trope ofrest and just don't do anything
(08:45):
with it.
Yeah.
When there's so much detrimentto leaving everything as is, you
know, your body is going toadapt to the fear you have to
moving your arm.
Or you know, to bearing weighton that knee that is going to
systemically fuck shit up.
(09:05):
Mm-hmm.
And so active recovery has beensuper crucial to embrace, to
really come back stronger.
There's a lot of folks who seeinjury.
Or over training as kind of anend point.
But I have been on both sides ofinjury and I have come back
stronger after injury.
(09:27):
Mm-hmm.
And I tell folks about that allthe time.
I actually just had an inquirythe other day about someone who
had knee replacement and they'vegot another one coming up.
And they said that they wereplanning a trip to Israel, which
is like a lot of hiking andstairs and, you know, ruins and
things like that.
And she was interested insigning up for The strength
(09:48):
course that I'll be putting onin June in hopes that she'll be
able to like build back thestrength in her knees.
And I was like, it's also goingto prevent it.
It's gonna make your surgery andrecovery easier on the next leg
too.
Mm-hmm.
And.
I think that that tide may beturning, that people are aware
(10:10):
that movement and using whateverfeels broke is gonna fix it.
And recently, you know, I had aterrible back tweak this winter
from slipping on ice and.
I moved through the whole thing.
I knew I had to just stoppingworking out was not an option.
(10:33):
And sure, I came up againstquite a few things that I wasn't
quite ready for or maybe weren'tthe right movement or stimulus.
But, you know, working on planksand box step ups, you know,
those were some things that youprescribed me very regularly to
just.
(10:53):
Keep things going.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, and I would say that I'mnot a hundred percent back and
it's may I really felt it on thekettlebell swings, but I've been
able to snatch like full rangeof motion all the way up.
All the way down you know,changing direction under
tension, which was really hardto do at first.
So I'm feeling really optimisticabout it, but I know that it
(11:16):
wouldn't have, I wouldn't befeeling this good if I had.
You know, stopped working out orjust kind of assume that time
would take care of
Cody (11:25):
it?
Well, yeah, and look at all theother opportunities that you
would've missed out on.
It's not just the wound itselfthat's probably been benefited
from movement, but the rest ofyour body.
And if we take this out of thegym and into the rest of the
world philosophy You know, Ithink it can be the same thing
if people are paralyzed becauseof some trauma.
(11:48):
Trauma.
Or it's a bad experience, a badexperience, or avoiding
something completely because ofa bad interaction with somebody
or something like that.
Not only are they not healingthe wound by just ignoring it
and, and avoiding, but theycould be missing out on amazing
opportunities.
(12:08):
For growth in other areas or,you know the benefits of that
environment that they'reavoiding that maybe had a bad
experience but isn't a threat,really.
Sure.
Tali (12:21):
And I just wrote a note about, you know, leaning into
that time healing all wounds asa pretty passive approach.
If you just think simplyexisting is going to like
eradicate your.
Problems, your sadness, yourtrauma, whatever.
I wonder.
If the saying time heals allwounds is just kind of like a
(12:46):
hindsight 2020 sort of thing,looking back back it's easy to
think like, oh, enough time hasgone by, by.
Mm-hmm.
This doesn't affect me as muchanymore.
Mm-hmm.
And it's true that, you know,the further away you are from a
situation or the further removedyou are from an incident Your
mind is able to kind of rememberit differently after a certain
(13:09):
amount of time.
But that also might be becausethere has been work to some
degree between the incident andyour point of reflection that
was actually the catalyst forthose dynamics or those bad
feelings or whatever it is.
Mm-hmm.
(13:29):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's hard to say because Idefinitely am not a person who
just lets things go.
I don't let things fester if asmuch as possible.
And so it, I'm not a great casestudy to observe to see if
that's really how it works.
Cody (13:46):
Yeah.
Well, I think something I'vebeen learning about or, or
recently heard is that, It's notso much a traumatic event that
can cause you to have issues ortrauma issues, I should say.
It's your response to that.
Yes.
And your,
Tali (14:07):
because the trauma is non-discriminatory.
Yes.
Like everyone's gonna deal withit to some degree.
Yeah.
Physical, emotional, mental.
Yes.
Yeah.
That's just being alive andbeing human.
Human.
Cody (14:18):
But it's your response to it that really kind of causes
your.
It's like your traumaticreaction to something that's
happened.
So, you know, one of the commonthings, I listen to a lot of
health, health span type lifelife extension type interviews.
(14:40):
Mm-hmm.
And one of the things that theytalk about with centenarians,
people who live to be a hundredor more, oh, they have their own
name, is that, you know, there'ssome pretty common things that
you hear about as far as likestaying active and staying
engaged in their communities andhaving close, you know, a at
least a few close relationships.
(15:02):
You know, these are commonthings, but one of the most
common Attributes ofcentenarians is that they let
shit roll off the
Tali (15:11):
Oh.
Oh.
Like they don't hold grudges,they
Cody (15:14):
don't hold well, they don't hold grudges.
They also don't hold on totrauma, so to speak.
Like something bad can happenand it's just like, man that's
life.
That's life.
Let's move on.
You know, there was a, Iremember watching a program, I
forget, this is, this is a whileago, so but it's one of those
TV.
(15:34):
Programs, I don't even know ifthey still exist, but things
like 60 Minutes and like theseboy, like these deep reporting,
you know, one hour on a singletopic type of news shows.
But this one was on centenariansand like Lifespan and
Technologies and all this.
And they were interviewing theseold, older folks and one of the
ladies, she was like 101 and herdaughter had passed away that
(15:58):
morning.
Her daughter was like, you know,78 or 80 or something like that.
Tali (16:03):
So much for genetics.
Yeah.
Well, and like that's definitelynot the
Cody (16:08):
only marker.
Right.
The the point was though, isthat she was the type of person
who, instead of canceling theinterview, she's like, no, we
had this interview scheduled.
Let's just go ahead and do it.
Like, oh my gosh.
You know, this is just part oflife.
It's happened.
And that kind of attitude wasreally common amongst the people
who lived that long.
(16:29):
So I, I just think it's a.
Interesting correlation.
I'm not saying that if you, I'mnot saying psychopaths live to
be a hundred, you know,obviously people are, should be
emotionally affected by things.
There's a balance there.
But I do think that we forgetsometimes that we have a lot of
(16:49):
agency in how we respond to.
The events that come our way.
Mm-hmm.
And the injuries
Tali (16:59):
The rolling off thing, I just wanna take a moment to talk
about that a little bit more.
I think this is coming up for mebecause we just watched Queer
Eye last night and you know,they were working with a hero
who.
Was in a really traumaticaccident and is now in a
(17:20):
wheelchair and is paralyzed fromthe chest down.
And I was just thinking abouthow so often with like
girlfriends of mine or otherpeople, I guess, you know, when
someone is really challenged bysomething, it's so common for me
and I'm assuming it doesn't justend with me, but it's so common
(17:41):
for me to.
Try to find common ground torelate and to be able to kind of
like get myself into their headspace to understand what they're
going through and effectivelycommunicate with that.
Mm-hmm.
And I'm, it's kind of callinginto question, like, in those
situations, would it be morebeneficial for me to just like
(18:03):
simply be supportive and likecome from a more optimistic
standpoint as opposed to likealmost being drugged down
mm-hmm.
To wherever that person is inorder for them to like, not feel
alone.
Cody (18:22):
Well, I'm, I know that that's the case with kids kids
who fall and scrape their kneesand then they have a parent who
is really dotting on them like,oh, oh honey, are you okay?
Are you okay?
Are you okay?
You know, let me kiss it better.
And like, all that kind ofgushing over something minor I,
I've, it creates people who aresusceptible to trauma.
(18:48):
Like when bad things happen,it's the end of the fucking
world and they all kindscrashing down on them
emotionally as adults, you know,that carries through.
Whereas kids who've fallen,scraped their knee and they have
a parent that's like, well, getup, shake it off.
Let's see what, what, what, howis it you feeling better?
Let's go.
You know, like, it doesn't haveto be this.
(19:08):
Earth shattering, you know, daystopping event.
If you scratch your knee andthat you're talking to honey.
And well, those kids, if that'sthe environment that they grow
in, also grow up to be moreresilient adults.
You know, people who, you know,can take a snarky comment or
something that they don't likeonline and be like, well, that's
their fucking problem, you knowwhether it's, even if it's
(19:31):
something really.
Reprehensible, you know, racismor bi, you know, bigotry or
something like that, they'restill not as affected by it as
someone who has raised anenvironment to be able to sort
of sh shake it off, like behaving some pain is just pain,
and that's part of being human.
(19:52):
And you don't have to dwell onit or make it bigger than it
really is.
Tali (19:55):
You know, it might even change that perspective entirely
like, I think so much thatbothered me growing up as a kid
is like, whatever taunting orwhatever I experienced, I
thought meant there wassomething wrong with me.
Mm-hmm.
And only in my adulthood do Ilook back at being like, whoa,
something was really wrong withthem.
They had like the balls to sayshit like that.
(20:17):
Mm-hmm.
You know?
Yeah.
That's interesting that youcould take on that attitude much
earlier in life, kind ofdepending on how.
Your condition to respond Yeah.
To blows like that.
Cody (20:35):
Yeah.
Well, and a lot of those thingsare, those behaviors are learned
like by the time we're six, youknow, it's like way before we
get a sense of social wounds orsocial anxieties or
relationships, issues, you know,in a deep sense.
(20:55):
You, you learn from your likefirst degree.
Yes.
Yeah.
You, you learn that stuff a lotearlier.
And so even by the time you'rein high school, you might still
be more prone to drama ortraumatic experiences or taking
on things personally and, andthat kind of thing.
Really based on your first, youknow, four or five years of your
(21:18):
life.
And the environment that thatwas, I mean, I'm sure there's
some genetics involved too, butI just know that, you know, you
were asking about friendship andbeing there for people who are
kind of going through a hardtime and taking on a more
optimistic attitude.
I'm not sure when you're, youknow, I'm not sure how sticky
(21:41):
that is as far as the formativeyears and how that shapes you as
a person to be able to handle.
Challenges.
But I do know that, you know,adults can change.
Oh yeah.
Just depends on if they are opento it and willing and wanting to
do that kind of work.
Cuz sometimes people, you know,if you're, if they're going
(22:03):
through something bad and youtry to come up with a optimism,
it's almost like an offense tothem.
Like Right.
You don't understand.
Oh yeah.
It's so bad and I
Tali (22:12):
feel very aware of that.
Especially when talking tofriends because, you know,
there's such a stigma against,you know, men who wanna like,
fix everything.
Mm-hmm.
And sometimes people just wannabe heard and don't want
solutions.
And so I, I realize that thoseare not like those aren't the
(22:34):
only options.
Mm-hmm.
There's, there are points inbetween or gray areas there
where you can be supportivewithout telling somebody what to
do.
And you can also be supportivewithout.
Stealing their thunder orwhatever.
Mm-hmm.
You know, that would be theextreme other side is like
sympathizing so much to a pointwhere it's become about you.
(22:55):
I have seen that.
Cody (22:57):
Yeah.
I've seen that too.
But there's also sort of I don'tlike the word enabling, but the,
there's sort of a Push towardmore misery by some people who,
in, in their, they think they'rebeing supportive by
commiserating and you're justcausing more of an issue because
(23:19):
you're just helping that personspiral.
Tali (23:21):
Yeah.
You're helping the personspiral.
You're getting riled up to, thisis like when everybody starts
to, you know, have all theirquote unquote like great ideas
of how to like tear shit up.
And I definitely know withcertain friends of mine, like we
resonate so much in a certainway that like it's easy to do
(23:43):
that.
I have to be really conscioussometimes with certain friends
who I love dearly, but like weriff so well with each other or
think so similarly sometimesthat I have to like,
Thoughtfully unpeel myself fromthem in those moments and be
like, actually, this is not howI wanna deal with it.
(24:04):
Mm-hmm.
Like whether it's gossip orlamenting about stuff.
Like, I wish I could tell youhow often I tell myself, like
today I'm not gonna complainbecause everybody around me
complains.
Mm-hmm.
I work at nine to five andthat's.
I think just part of work lifesometimes is like, there are
just things to complain about.
(24:25):
Yeah.
And I've become very acutelyaware of it when other people
are doing it, and so I'm tryingto become aware of it when I'm
doing it too.
Cody (24:35):
Yeah.
That's a losing game when you'retrying to avoid a habit that
you're immersed in.
Because we've already talked onthis podcast quite a bit about
the law of association and it'spowerful.
Oh my gosh.
People, yeah.
Oh yeah.
We become much, we, we take on alot of the characteristics of
the people we hang out with themost, or even just the things
Tali (24:57):
that you.
Take in.
I mean, I actually love watchingQueer Eye because I feel like it
makes me an optimistic person.
Like when I'm just binging theshit outta that show, I am
seeing the beauty andeverything.
I'm cheering everybody on.
My gestures are grand.
Like I'll wear all sorts of newstuff that like I don't usually
(25:17):
pull out of my closet.
So that's a really greatinfluence, I think.
But yes, you don't always get tochoose what your influence is.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I just wanna circle back reallyquick to that concept of like,
letting things roll off orcontinuing to move through life
under challenging conditions.
(25:38):
Mm-hmm.
And how important that is.
And I just wanna take it back tothe gym once more.
I mentioned that kettlebellswings were really aggravating
my back the other day, and Inoticed it like on the first few
reps I pushed through the firstround, we had a workout that had
one minute stations, and ideallyyou're consistently moving
(25:59):
through that entire minute, andI was having a really hard time
hanging onto that kettlebell.
It just was kind of likewrenching and reefing on.
That part of my back that justfeels overly stretched.
And for the next few rounds Imoved to kettlebell deadlifts.
That was a movement that like,gave me a little bit of relief
(26:20):
when the weight touches theground.
There was, there was stilltension, but there was kind of
like a point of rest if youwill.
And that was something that Iwas able to do repeatedly and
that is just a.
I think an important example ofhow you can tweak your needs but
(26:42):
continue to move forward.
You know, I had the option tojust not do that minute, take it
off as a rest or whatever.
Mm-hmm.
But I really assessed like,okay, what can I move into?
Like what pathways are availableto me here that are gonna give
me the stimulus that I want?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, and I think that's just areally important skill to hone,
(27:05):
like not only in a CrossFitworkout, I wish that there was
more emphasis on that, and Iknow you and I are gonna be
coaching it that way.
Where there is a intendedstimulus for your workout, and
if you aren't being thoughtfulabout how you are scaling or
ramping things up, or pacingthings or the weight that you
choose, you know, managing thatintensity, you may very well be
(27:28):
missing out on.
The stimulus of that workout,therefore you're not gonna get
the benefits of it.
Mm-hmm.
And then it's like, what thefuck you doing there then,
right?
Mm-hmm.
I feel like that's how a lot ofmy first go round with CrossFit
went, I was really hellbent onprescribed weights, prescribed
movements, and it didn't matterif I was moving super slow or,
(27:50):
you know, got cut off by timecaps and things like that.
I felt validity in pushing forthat, even though.
My body wasn't really changingor adapting in the way that I
hoped it would.
And so I think that that'sprobably important to carry out
of the gym as well too in, youknow, not just taking the
(28:16):
passive approach and reallybeing intentional with how
you're managing your.
Needs and your intensity, if youwill, in your life.
Mm-hmm.
Like where can you ramp up?
Where can you dial back?
And I would say personally rightnow, exercise is like so
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important to do every day forus, which is great cuz we let it
go on the back burner for a longtime and we've decided we're not
doing that shit anymore.
Like it's just not good for us.
And so I think the time heal,all time healing, all wounds.
The critique here is thatpassive versus active approach.
(29:01):
Mm-hmm.
And it's really like commandingagency of your life and seeing
that the phrasing might be moretrue if you are considering the
vantage point.
You know, it's easy to lookback, but in the moment don't
(29:21):
rely on it to solve all yourproblems.
Mm-hmm.
Cody (29:24):
Yeah.
Yeah, I think taking an activerole, it's interesting cuz it
almost sounds like a dichotomywhere you can be a more
resilient person if you learn tojust let shit roll off.
But at the same time when.
(29:45):
Traumatic things happen,injuries of whatever type you
should take an active role in rerecovery from that, and that
might look a little differentthan what you might think.
So.
Well, there could be a, it'skind of like a to that,
Tali (30:02):
you know, like asking yourself, is this method serving
me?
Yeah.
Just stopping would not beserving you.
Yeah.
Cody (30:10):
Well, I was just thinking of that.
You know, letting peop, lettingthings roll off is sort of like
a, a.
Sometimes given a label of,well, you're just stuffing it
down, or you're just denyingyour feelings, or whatever, and
it's like, well, no, I justchoose to not let this be a big
deal.
And I think there's adifference.
I think that one is a skill.
(30:31):
Do you think evidence differencethough?
F not from the outside.
Right.
But I think from the inside, Ithink you and your own
consciousness can know that ittakes maybe some introspection
and self-awareness.
Tali (30:45):
Well, I've seen it in you for sure, because I have seen
you be avoidant and I've alsoseen you be decisive about
cutting things off.
Yeah.
And they're really differentbecause one, you're willing to
communicate and the other oneyou're not.
They might have the same likeend result, but they are
(31:07):
practiced or lived through verydifferently and I think I'm only
able to pick up that on youbecause I'm so close to you.
Mm-hmm.
Cody (31:17):
Yeah.
Well it kind of reminds me alittle bit of rice, so rest, ice
compression and elevation.
Rice.
I wanna bring this up becausefirst of all, it's still a myth
that people are practicing quitea bit.
Tali (31:37):
The ice thing is really surprising to me still.
Cody (31:39):
And I say myth because this was considered to be good
sports science, you know, for along time that when you are
injured, slap some ice on it,elevate it, rest, and, and
that's gonna be the, the bestapproach to deal with acute.
Inflammation in like a jointinjury or something like that.
(32:00):
The guy who invented the acronymhas even come out and said like,
that was a mistake.
That what?
Yeah.
I mean, this is, it'sfrustrating that these things
just stick for so long, justbecause it sounds good.
It's catchy.
It's a good acronym.
Well, that's what you
Tali (32:15):
were saying in the beginning is right.
There's so many of these sayingsor whatever they are that we
just.
Continue to circle back tobecause they sound good.
Yeah.
But as
Cody (32:24):
we've heard it so many times as a coach, it's a little
frustrating that this is stillsticking because Kelly Star, Dr.
Carol, Kelly Star, he's a doctorof physical therapy, I think
written a couple books and.
For a long time was reallypopular in the CrossFit
community and now he's kind ofbranched out to be a pretty
(32:47):
well-known name in just healthand fitness in general.
And he said, you know, 10 yearsago he made this video called,
I'm So Sorry, we were wrong.
And it was like, we should notbe icing things.
In fact, heat is even better.
Like, oh yeah, like,
Tali (33:05):
Pro, like encourage the body to Yes.
Repair itself.
Yeah.
Rather than icing and slowing itdown.
Yeah.
Hashtag two weeks.
Cody (33:15):
So the geez, the icing is an attempt to knock out
inflammation, but the acuteinflammation, like of an injury
that just happened, is yourbody's first response to.
To protect the area and to alsostart the process of fluid
exchange to bring nutrients toit and remove bad shoot, I'm
(33:43):
forgetting the name, butbasically the bad stuff, bad
blood.
Yeah.
So by stopping that inflammationresponse, you're actually
slowing your healing.
So it's actually doing theopposite of what you want it to
do.
Yeah.
It's actually making it worseand it's still a trope.
It's still a thing that people,that doctors and coaches and all
(34:07):
kinds of people who are educatedin the sports arenas are still.
Prescribing that and it actuallyis making everything worse and
Tali (34:19):
well, it seems like such a dismissal of the body's
brilliance, isn't it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, we think about all ofthese things that our body does,
whether it's swelling or a feveror whatever, as these bad
things.
Mm-hmm.
And they're, our body's naturalprocess ceases to.
Do its job.
(34:40):
Yeah.
And it's amazing.
It's brilliant the way that thebody responds to injury or
insult.
Cody (34:50):
Yeah.
I think this could be carriedover though to the wider range
of topics of, of trauma or badevents, because doing nothing is
not necessarily a good thing.
But also I think sometimespeople do the wrong things to
try to heal.
What Well, For instance, I havein certain circles witnessed
(35:13):
people say, well, I just neededto vent.
And it's like, no, you'reactually gossiping and making
the problem.
You're getting more riled up bygoing over and over and over.
This with your gossipy friends.
Like that is not therapy.
That is not healing.
That is.
It just adding insult to injurykind of thing.
(35:35):
Yeah.
Well that's kind
Tali (35:36):
of what I was talking about earlier with talking to
friends.
It's easy to dig that holedeeper or to open that wound
more.
Mm-hmm.
And I'm assessing, I'm trying toassess like what my role is as
the the listener.
Yeah.
Because you don't wanna fakestuff.
(35:57):
You don't wanna diminish theirfeelings.
But you also don't wanna make itworse.
Cody (36:04):
You don't wanna stoke the fire.
Tali (36:05):
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Or prolong the pain.
You don't wanna ice it.
Mm-hmm.
So I think the idea is thatactive recovery in the gym and
out of the gym is reallynecessary.
You know, whenever we arefeeling challenged or knocked
(36:27):
down, there are tools that youcan use to move through.
That pain rather than ignoringit, stuffing it down, resting on
it, you know, take yourself forwalks, write in your journal,
talk to somebody, you know,don't vent, but talk to
somebody.
You'll be productive.
(36:50):
But yeah, I think that movementis magic.
It's just kind of the, thehighlight here is that moving
through our challenges is, Mostimportant and that the time
healing all wounds might be.
A bit of an illusion lookingback as opposed to a method.
(37:14):
Mm-hmm.
Of healing.
Cody (37:17):
Yeah.
Movement or taking action iseven wrong.
Action is often better than noaction.
Oh yeah.
In almost every scenario.
Scenario, it's like badpublicity.
Well, because even.
Even taking the wrong steps totry to fix a situation is a
learning experience.
Absolutely.
And doing nothing is justnothing.
(37:37):
There's, there's no learningexperience for, I can't
Tali (37:39):
remember if this is true or not, but wasn't there, I.
Isn't there a shark or somethingthat it has to keep moving or
else it dies?
Yeah.
It might not be true, but I,I've heard that said before.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Even if it ain't just channelthat
Cody (38:00):
just keep swimming,
Tali (38:01):
I would say that that is like a, maybe a better
replacement.
Saying, even though that wasn'tvery eloquent for things like
this, like I think it's reallyinteresting that you're bringing
in to question all of thesesayings or beliefs that we have
in our culture that are justassumed at this point.
Mm-hmm.
Because they're said sorepeatedly that there might need
(38:25):
to be some new ones.
Created, and I feel like Iactually have heard from some
really wise women in my life.
For instance, my mom haschanged, kill two birds with one
stone to feed two birds with oneseed.
And then my boss, Jodi, insteadof saying like it's to die for,
(38:46):
she says it's to live for.
That's funny.
I think it's great.
I think those things reallyshould be assessed because
language is important.
We take it to heart, it hasweight, has meaning.
Mm-hmm.
And to just simply excuse themor just to think that we're all
capable of like seeing beyondwhat it's really saying might
(39:09):
be.
Underestimated.
Cody (39:12):
Yeah.
I mean, we live in a meme worldand so it's easy to take in some
saying that sounds really goodwithout really thinking through
the consequences of allowingthat to seep into our belief
system.
Totally.
That's
Tali (39:25):
kind of scary to think about.
Mm-hmm.
Considering how many memes wesee a day.
Yeah.
Cody (39:30):
So nuanced thinking is.
Valuable.
Yes, very valuable.
So, yes, I guess that's thetakeaway here is to move keep
moving and regardless of thesetback or injury or what the
type is, whether it's in the gymor in your romantic life or
whatever it is that takingaction and movement is gonna be
(39:53):
the, the key to healing andovercoming and not just waiting
it out.
Mm-hmm.
And then even if you take thewrong actions, at least you have
an assessment tool.
You've learned something, youmm-hmm.
You can, you can steer thatmoving vehicle since you can't
steer a parked car.
Right.
(40:14):
Yeah.
Well, shall we wrap it up?
Tali (40:17):
Yes.
Okay.
I think it's time to getlifting.
Cody (40:19):
Alrighty.
Let's, let's head down and pickup some heavy stuff and, mm-hmm.
Put it back down.
Okay.
Thanks babe.
Love you.
Love you too.
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Tali (00:17):
I'm Tali Zabari, and you're listening to the
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Cody (00:22):
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Tali (00:43):
Good morning.
Good morning.
Not something we've said in awhile on this show.
Cody and I only recently wokeup.
We missed our appointment torecord this weekend, and so we
are squeezing it in during thework week.
And so far I'm already a fan.
Are you?
Yeah, I feel like it got me outof bed.
(01:03):
I mean, it's 7 24 right now andwe were supposed to get up at
six, but it seemingly felt likeeverything happened in success
in succession without too muchlag time.
Cody (01:15):
I wish there was caffeine in this coffee.
You do?
Tali (01:19):
Yeah.
Why didn't you make acaffeinated coffee then?
I'm
Cody (01:22):
just, I don't know.
I didn't anticipate beingsleepy.
Tali (01:26):
So the icebreaker for today is what your cold therapy
was this morning.
Cody (01:37):
Mm, I kind of wished out a little bit.
Did you?
So, I mean, just for me latelyfor the path I've been
Tali (01:43):
on.
Interesting.
You a stout and I stepped
Cody (01:45):
up.
Well, I usually balance, Iusually start with the cold,
just right into it, right intomy face in the cold shower,
first thing in the morning.
And I've been doing fiveminutes.
Yeah, it was a, this morning Iwas feeling a little bit grimy,
so I actually started with a hotshower.
Mm.
(02:05):
Took like a real shower and thenfinished with three minutes.
Usually it's e easier when youstart with hot.
Is it?
Yeah.
Because you kind of warm up yourcore body temperature a little
bit and then, oh,
Tali (02:20):
so it's kind of like cheating, so the call doesn't
feel so
Cody (02:22):
cool.
That's
Tali (02:23):
what I'm saying, so, but isn't it higher
Cody (02:25):
contrast, isn't that It is.
I'm sure I still got lots ofbenefit.
Tali (02:30):
Interesting.
There's higher contrast, yetyou're kind of warming yourself
up first.
I'll have to think about.
Mm-hmm.
Well I wouldn't call that likebacksliding or whistling out
Cody (02:42):
or anything.
No, I did it.
Yeah, I did it.
I just have been kind of rampingit up and.
Oh, it just wasn't up for thewhole thing today.
Five minutes of straight intothe cold.
Mm-hmm.
The more shocking it is, themore beneficial it's supposed to
be.
So it's almost like the more itsucks, the better it
Tali (03:01):
is for you.
Right.
Well, I just wanna preface myresponse to this question by
saying here mirror.
Mortals, we are regular people.
I think sometimes when I listento podcasts who people, the
people who are hosting it are inlike the health or fitness
industry, it's easy to put themon a pedestal.
(03:21):
Like, whoa, every moment oftheir day is so intentional and
so health focused.
And it's like this is a fewminutes out of our whole day
where all, there are all sortsof other kind of fuckups.
So yeah.
And I'm newer to the scene ofthis cold therapy.
(03:42):
I don't have any attitudetowards it now that I've started
it.
I had a lot more attitudetowards it before I did, which
is, you know, true to my form.
I am generally pessimistic aboutmost ventures ahead of time.
But I graduated today to fourbreaths on each limb.
(04:02):
I don't have a lot of interestin putting my face in any time
soon.
Hmm.
But yes, the water was crankedall the way cold.
I did start with a warm shower.
Cuz it, I do like to cleanmyself first.
Mm-hmm.
You know?
Mm-hmm.
Regardless of how many showersI've already had in the day.
But yeah, from three breaths tofour and it was no big thing.
(04:26):
Awesome.
Cody (04:27):
Yeah.
Feel really awake.
Tali (04:30):
I feel pretty awake.
My skin feels really tight,which I don't really love that
feeling.
I think the cold showers, youknow, hot showers should be
drying out your skin more.
So I don't know, I might have tostart lotioning or something to
accommodate for this newpractice.
But yeah, I'm awake.
Cody (04:47):
It's probably good for your skin.
It's good for everything else.
I suppose.
Maybe I come out red, so I'msure it's bringing like blood
flow to the skin.
Tali (04:57):
Yeah.
All sorts of like celerygeneration and turnover and
stuff.
Oh, sure.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't know.
All right, so today's topic, istime healing all or does it
really.
Cody (05:11):
Time heals all wounds.
That's the the saying.
Tali (05:15):
Yes.
And we're gonna be, you know,we're circling back to the
philosophy of fitness.
It's been a few episodes sincewe've had a topic that was
specific to our work as coachesor our work as athletes.
And so we'll definitely beexploring how this applies to
the gym.
And I would say this makes themost sense to me in the context
(05:35):
of the gym because.
When you are thinking about timehealing all wounds in your own
life, that's a long span of timeto be observing.
So I can't say I have anythingconcrete at the moment, but
hopefully something you say willtrigger something.
Cody (05:55):
Well, I prefer to say time heals some wounds because that's
fair.
Time heals all wounds is stupid.
I, I think a lot of, I think alot of Inspirational quotes and
sayings and colloquialisms.
I forget what other term to usefor these cliches that are
(06:17):
bandied about.
It's like they sound really goodat first, and then you start
thinking about it and thenyou're like, well, that's not
actually true.
That doesn't actually work.
That's so funny that you bringthat up because the other day I
was like, really honing in.
Someone says, I'd rather be safethan sorry.
Mm-hmm.
And I was like, gosh, thatsounds so good.
(06:37):
And I wonder if it's justbecause we hear it so often that
we've kind of adopted it assomething to live by.
Tali (06:44):
Mm-hmm.
Because it sounds good in ourlanguage, you know, I wonder if
you say it in another language,if they're like, Ugh, that
doesn't sound poetic at all.
But yes, I would, I wouldventure to guess that that is
not always.
Worth following.
Better safe than, sorry.
Yeah, I mean, I've kind of been
Cody (07:06):
a burning man.
They say safety second or
Tali (07:08):
something like that.
Do they?
Yeah.
Maybe I would fit in while I'mburning man, minus the camping
part.
I keep doing that.
I'm sure I will love the campingpart.
So stupid.
Cody (07:22):
Yeah.
Time does not heal all wounds.
I'm not sure that it.
We have a concept in the gymthat we call active recovery
because the old school way, orat least the way that I was sort
of brought up as a teenager, isthat you beat yourself up in the
gym and you're sore as hell, andthen you just sort of waited
(07:45):
out.
You just, the soreness willeventually go away and then you
can hit it again.
And you and I know that ascoaches, that that's bullshit.
We, we really encourage people,especially when they're new and
likely to be really sore fromnew stimulus that they're
experiencing for the first time.
(08:08):
The.
Best and the fastest way torecover is to come back in again
to keep training.
Mm-hmm.
Movement is magic and movementreally.
It is really gets you recoveringa lot faster than just sort of
waiting it out.
Oh, movement is
Tali (08:23):
magic or movement is medicine would make a great
t-shirt, I think.
Mm-hmm.
But that's also the same forwhat we see.
With injury when we have clientswho go to their practitioners
and, you know, have hurt theirknees or hurt their shoulder,
there's still this old trope ofrest and just don't do anything
(08:45):
with it.
Yeah.
When there's so much detrimentto leaving everything as is, you
know, your body is going toadapt to the fear you have to
moving your arm.
Or you know, to bearing weighton that knee that is going to
systemically fuck shit up.
(09:05):
Mm-hmm.
And so active recovery has beensuper crucial to embrace, to
really come back stronger.
There's a lot of folks who seeinjury.
Or over training as kind of anend point.
But I have been on both sides ofinjury and I have come back
stronger after injury.
(09:27):
Mm-hmm.
And I tell folks about that allthe time.
I actually just had an inquirythe other day about someone who
had knee replacement and they'vegot another one coming up.
And they said that they wereplanning a trip to Israel, which
is like a lot of hiking andstairs and, you know, ruins and
things like that.
And she was interested insigning up for The strength
(09:48):
course that I'll be putting onin June in hopes that she'll be
able to like build back thestrength in her knees.
And I was like, it's also goingto prevent it.
It's gonna make your surgery andrecovery easier on the next leg
too.
Mm-hmm.
And.
I think that that tide may beturning, that people are aware
(10:10):
that movement and using whateverfeels broke is gonna fix it.
And recently, you know, I had aterrible back tweak this winter
from slipping on ice and.
I moved through the whole thing.
I knew I had to just stoppingworking out was not an option.
(10:33):
And sure, I came up againstquite a few things that I wasn't
quite ready for or maybe weren'tthe right movement or stimulus.
But, you know, working on planksand box step ups, you know,
those were some things that youprescribed me very regularly to
just.
(10:53):
Keep things going.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, and I would say that I'mnot a hundred percent back and
it's may I really felt it on thekettlebell swings, but I've been
able to snatch like full rangeof motion all the way up.
All the way down you know,changing direction under
tension, which was really hardto do at first.
So I'm feeling really optimisticabout it, but I know that it
(11:16):
wouldn't have, I wouldn't befeeling this good if I had.
You know, stopped working out orjust kind of assume that time
would take care of
Cody (11:25):
it?
Well, yeah, and look at all theother opportunities that you
would've missed out on.
It's not just the wound itselfthat's probably been benefited
from movement, but the rest ofyour body.
And if we take this out of thegym and into the rest of the
world philosophy You know, Ithink it can be the same thing
if people are paralyzed becauseof some trauma.
(11:48):
Trauma.
Or it's a bad experience, a badexperience, or avoiding
something completely because ofa bad interaction with somebody
or something like that.
Not only are they not healingthe wound by just ignoring it
and, and avoiding, but theycould be missing out on amazing
opportunities.
(12:08):
For growth in other areas or,you know the benefits of that
environment that they'reavoiding that maybe had a bad
experience but isn't a threat,really.
Sure.
Tali (12:21):
And I just wrote a note about, you know, leaning into
that time healing all wounds asa pretty passive approach.
If you just think simplyexisting is going to like
eradicate your.
Problems, your sadness, yourtrauma, whatever.
I wonder.
If the saying time heals allwounds is just kind of like a
(12:46):
hindsight 2020 sort of thing,looking back back it's easy to
think like, oh, enough time hasgone by, by.
Mm-hmm.
This doesn't affect me as muchanymore.
Mm-hmm.
And it's true that, you know,the further away you are from a
situation or the further removedyou are from an incident Your
mind is able to kind of rememberit differently after a certain
(13:09):
amount of time.
But that also might be becausethere has been work to some
degree between the incident andyour point of reflection that
was actually the catalyst forthose dynamics or those bad
feelings or whatever it is.
Mm-hmm.
(13:29):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's hard to say because Idefinitely am not a person who
just lets things go.
I don't let things fester if asmuch as possible.
And so it, I'm not a great casestudy to observe to see if
that's really how it works.
Cody (13:46):
Yeah.
Well, I think something I'vebeen learning about or, or
recently heard is that, It's notso much a traumatic event that
can cause you to have issues ortrauma issues, I should say.
It's your response to that.
Yes.
And your,
Tali (14:07):
because the trauma is non-discriminatory.
Yes.
Like everyone's gonna deal withit to some degree.
Yeah.
Physical, emotional, mental.
Yes.
Yeah.
That's just being alive andbeing human.
Human.
Cody (14:18):
But it's your response to it that really kind of causes
your.
It's like your traumaticreaction to something that's
happened.
So, you know, one of the commonthings, I listen to a lot of
health, health span type lifelife extension type interviews.
(14:40):
Mm-hmm.
And one of the things that theytalk about with centenarians,
people who live to be a hundredor more, oh, they have their own
name, is that, you know, there'ssome pretty common things that
you hear about as far as likestaying active and staying
engaged in their communities andhaving close, you know, a at
least a few close relationships.
(15:02):
You know, these are commonthings, but one of the most
common Attributes ofcentenarians is that they let
shit roll off the
Tali (15:11):
Oh.
Oh.
Like they don't hold grudges,they
Cody (15:14):
don't hold well, they don't hold grudges.
They also don't hold on totrauma, so to speak.
Like something bad can happenand it's just like, man that's
life.
That's life.
Let's move on.
You know, there was a, Iremember watching a program, I
forget, this is, this is a whileago, so but it's one of those
TV.
(15:34):
Programs, I don't even know ifthey still exist, but things
like 60 Minutes and like theseboy, like these deep reporting,
you know, one hour on a singletopic type of news shows.
But this one was on centenariansand like Lifespan and
Technologies and all this.
And they were interviewing theseold, older folks and one of the
ladies, she was like 101 and herdaughter had passed away that
(15:58):
morning.
Her daughter was like, you know,78 or 80 or something like that.
Tali (16:03):
So much for genetics.
Yeah.
Well, and like that's definitelynot the
Cody (16:08):
only marker.
Right.
The the point was though, isthat she was the type of person
who, instead of canceling theinterview, she's like, no, we
had this interview scheduled.
Let's just go ahead and do it.
Like, oh my gosh.
You know, this is just part oflife.
It's happened.
And that kind of attitude wasreally common amongst the people
who lived that long.
(16:29):
So I, I just think it's a.
Interesting correlation.
I'm not saying that if you, I'mnot saying psychopaths live to
be a hundred, you know,obviously people are, should be
emotionally affected by things.
There's a balance there.
But I do think that we forgetsometimes that we have a lot of
(16:49):
agency in how we respond to.
The events that come our way.
Mm-hmm.
And the injuries
Tali (16:59):
The rolling off thing, I just wanna take a moment to talk
about that a little bit more.
I think this is coming up for mebecause we just watched Queer
Eye last night and you know,they were working with a hero
who.
Was in a really traumaticaccident and is now in a
(17:20):
wheelchair and is paralyzed fromthe chest down.
And I was just thinking abouthow so often with like
girlfriends of mine or otherpeople, I guess, you know, when
someone is really challenged bysomething, it's so common for me
and I'm assuming it doesn't justend with me, but it's so common
(17:41):
for me to.
Try to find common ground torelate and to be able to kind of
like get myself into their headspace to understand what they're
going through and effectivelycommunicate with that.
Mm-hmm.
And I'm, it's kind of callinginto question, like, in those
situations, would it be morebeneficial for me to just like
(18:03):
simply be supportive and likecome from a more optimistic
standpoint as opposed to likealmost being drugged down
mm-hmm.
To wherever that person is inorder for them to like, not feel
alone.
Cody (18:22):
Well, I'm, I know that that's the case with kids kids
who fall and scrape their kneesand then they have a parent who
is really dotting on them like,oh, oh honey, are you okay?
Are you okay?
Are you okay?
You know, let me kiss it better.
And like, all that kind ofgushing over something minor I,
I've, it creates people who aresusceptible to trauma.
(18:48):
Like when bad things happen,it's the end of the fucking
world and they all kindscrashing down on them
emotionally as adults, you know,that carries through.
Whereas kids who've fallen,scraped their knee and they have
a parent that's like, well, getup, shake it off.
Let's see what, what, what, howis it you feeling better?
Let's go.
You know, like, it doesn't haveto be this.
(19:08):
Earth shattering, you know, daystopping event.
If you scratch your knee andthat you're talking to honey.
And well, those kids, if that'sthe environment that they grow
in, also grow up to be moreresilient adults.
You know, people who, you know,can take a snarky comment or
something that they don't likeonline and be like, well, that's
their fucking problem, you knowwhether it's, even if it's
(19:31):
something really.
Reprehensible, you know, racismor bi, you know, bigotry or
something like that, they'restill not as affected by it as
someone who has raised anenvironment to be able to sort
of sh shake it off, like behaving some pain is just pain,
and that's part of being human.
(19:52):
And you don't have to dwell onit or make it bigger than it
really is.
Tali (19:55):
You know, it might even change that perspective entirely
like, I think so much thatbothered me growing up as a kid
is like, whatever taunting orwhatever I experienced, I
thought meant there wassomething wrong with me.
Mm-hmm.
And only in my adulthood do Ilook back at being like, whoa,
something was really wrong withthem.
They had like the balls to sayshit like that.
(20:17):
Mm-hmm.
You know?
Yeah.
That's interesting that youcould take on that attitude much
earlier in life, kind ofdepending on how.
Your condition to respond Yeah.
To blows like that.
Cody (20:35):
Yeah.
Well, and a lot of those thingsare, those behaviors are learned
like by the time we're six, youknow, it's like way before we
get a sense of social wounds orsocial anxieties or
relationships, issues, you know,in a deep sense.
(20:55):
You, you learn from your likefirst degree.
Yes.
Yeah.
You, you learn that stuff a lotearlier.
And so even by the time you'rein high school, you might still
be more prone to drama ortraumatic experiences or taking
on things personally and, andthat kind of thing.
Really based on your first, youknow, four or five years of your
(21:18):
life.
And the environment that thatwas, I mean, I'm sure there's
some genetics involved too, butI just know that, you know, you
were asking about friendship andbeing there for people who are
kind of going through a hardtime and taking on a more
optimistic attitude.
I'm not sure when you're, youknow, I'm not sure how sticky
(21:41):
that is as far as the formativeyears and how that shapes you as
a person to be able to handle.
Challenges.
But I do know that, you know,adults can change.
Oh yeah.
Just depends on if they are opento it and willing and wanting to
do that kind of work.
Cuz sometimes people, you know,if you're, if they're going
(22:03):
through something bad and youtry to come up with a optimism,
it's almost like an offense tothem.
Like Right.
You don't understand.
Oh yeah.
It's so bad and I
Tali (22:12):
feel very aware of that.
Especially when talking tofriends because, you know,
there's such a stigma against,you know, men who wanna like,
fix everything.
Mm-hmm.
And sometimes people just wannabe heard and don't want
solutions.
And so I, I realize that thoseare not like those aren't the
(22:34):
only options.
Mm-hmm.
There's, there are points inbetween or gray areas there
where you can be supportivewithout telling somebody what to
do.
And you can also be supportivewithout.
Stealing their thunder orwhatever.
Mm-hmm.
You know, that would be theextreme other side is like
sympathizing so much to a pointwhere it's become about you.
(22:55):
I have seen that.
Cody (22:57):
Yeah.
I've seen that too.
But there's also sort of I don'tlike the word enabling, but the,
there's sort of a Push towardmore misery by some people who,
in, in their, they think they'rebeing supportive by
commiserating and you're justcausing more of an issue because
(23:19):
you're just helping that personspiral.
Tali (23:21):
Yeah.
You're helping the personspiral.
You're getting riled up to, thisis like when everybody starts
to, you know, have all theirquote unquote like great ideas
of how to like tear shit up.
And I definitely know withcertain friends of mine, like we
resonate so much in a certainway that like it's easy to do
(23:43):
that.
I have to be really conscioussometimes with certain friends
who I love dearly, but like weriff so well with each other or
think so similarly sometimesthat I have to like,
Thoughtfully unpeel myself fromthem in those moments and be
like, actually, this is not howI wanna deal with it.
(24:04):
Mm-hmm.
Like whether it's gossip orlamenting about stuff.
Like, I wish I could tell youhow often I tell myself, like
today I'm not gonna complainbecause everybody around me
complains.
Mm-hmm.
I work at nine to five andthat's.
I think just part of work lifesometimes is like, there are
just things to complain about.
(24:25):
Yeah.
And I've become very acutelyaware of it when other people
are doing it, and so I'm tryingto become aware of it when I'm
doing it too.
Cody (24:35):
Yeah.
That's a losing game when you'retrying to avoid a habit that
you're immersed in.
Because we've already talked onthis podcast quite a bit about
the law of association and it'spowerful.
Oh my gosh.
People, yeah.
Oh yeah.
We become much, we, we take on alot of the characteristics of
the people we hang out with themost, or even just the things
Tali (24:57):
that you.
Take in.
I mean, I actually love watchingQueer Eye because I feel like it
makes me an optimistic person.
Like when I'm just binging theshit outta that show, I am
seeing the beauty andeverything.
I'm cheering everybody on.
My gestures are grand.
Like I'll wear all sorts of newstuff that like I don't usually
(25:17):
pull out of my closet.
So that's a really greatinfluence, I think.
But yes, you don't always get tochoose what your influence is.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I just wanna circle back reallyquick to that concept of like,
letting things roll off orcontinuing to move through life
under challenging conditions.
(25:38):
Mm-hmm.
And how important that is.
And I just wanna take it back tothe gym once more.
I mentioned that kettlebellswings were really aggravating
my back the other day, and Inoticed it like on the first few
reps I pushed through the firstround, we had a workout that had
one minute stations, and ideallyyou're consistently moving
(25:59):
through that entire minute, andI was having a really hard time
hanging onto that kettlebell.
It just was kind of likewrenching and reefing on.
That part of my back that justfeels overly stretched.
And for the next few rounds Imoved to kettlebell deadlifts.
That was a movement that like,gave me a little bit of relief
(26:20):
when the weight touches theground.
There was, there was stilltension, but there was kind of
like a point of rest if youwill.
And that was something that Iwas able to do repeatedly and
that is just a.
I think an important example ofhow you can tweak your needs but
(26:42):
continue to move forward.
You know, I had the option tojust not do that minute, take it
off as a rest or whatever.
Mm-hmm.
But I really assessed like,okay, what can I move into?
Like what pathways are availableto me here that are gonna give
me the stimulus that I want?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, and I think that's just areally important skill to hone,
(27:05):
like not only in a CrossFitworkout, I wish that there was
more emphasis on that, and Iknow you and I are gonna be
coaching it that way.
Where there is a intendedstimulus for your workout, and
if you aren't being thoughtfulabout how you are scaling or
ramping things up, or pacingthings or the weight that you
choose, you know, managing thatintensity, you may very well be
(27:28):
missing out on.
The stimulus of that workout,therefore you're not gonna get
the benefits of it.
Mm-hmm.
And then it's like, what thefuck you doing there then,
right?
Mm-hmm.
I feel like that's how a lot ofmy first go round with CrossFit
went, I was really hellbent onprescribed weights, prescribed
movements, and it didn't matterif I was moving super slow or,
(27:50):
you know, got cut off by timecaps and things like that.
I felt validity in pushing forthat, even though.
My body wasn't really changingor adapting in the way that I
hoped it would.
And so I think that that'sprobably important to carry out
of the gym as well too in, youknow, not just taking the
(28:16):
passive approach and reallybeing intentional with how
you're managing your.
Needs and your intensity, if youwill, in your life.
Mm-hmm.
Like where can you ramp up?
Where can you dial back?
And I would say personally rightnow, exercise is like so
(28:37):
important to do every day forus, which is great cuz we let it
go on the back burner for a longtime and we've decided we're not
doing that shit anymore.
Like it's just not good for us.
And so I think the time heal,all time healing, all wounds.
The critique here is thatpassive versus active approach.
(29:01):
Mm-hmm.
And it's really like commandingagency of your life and seeing
that the phrasing might be moretrue if you are considering the
vantage point.
You know, it's easy to lookback, but in the moment don't
(29:21):
rely on it to solve all yourproblems.
Mm-hmm.
Cody (29:24):
Yeah.
Yeah, I think taking an activerole, it's interesting cuz it
almost sounds like a dichotomywhere you can be a more
resilient person if you learn tojust let shit roll off.
But at the same time when.
(29:45):
Traumatic things happen,injuries of whatever type you
should take an active role in rerecovery from that, and that
might look a little differentthan what you might think.
So.
Well, there could be a, it'skind of like a to that,
Tali (30:02):
you know, like asking yourself, is this method serving
me?
Yeah.
Just stopping would not beserving you.
Yeah.
Cody (30:10):
Well, I was just thinking of that.
You know, letting peop, lettingthings roll off is sort of like
a, a.
Sometimes given a label of,well, you're just stuffing it
down, or you're just denyingyour feelings, or whatever, and
it's like, well, no, I justchoose to not let this be a big
deal.
And I think there's adifference.
I think that one is a skill.
(30:31):
Do you think evidence differencethough?
F not from the outside.
Right.
But I think from the inside, Ithink you and your own
consciousness can know that ittakes maybe some introspection
and self-awareness.
Tali (30:45):
Well, I've seen it in you for sure, because I have seen
you be avoidant and I've alsoseen you be decisive about
cutting things off.
Yeah.
And they're really differentbecause one, you're willing to
communicate and the other oneyou're not.
They might have the same likeend result, but they are
(31:07):
practiced or lived through verydifferently and I think I'm only
able to pick up that on youbecause I'm so close to you.
Mm-hmm.
Cody (31:17):
Yeah.
Well it kind of reminds me alittle bit of rice, so rest, ice
compression and elevation.
Rice.
I wanna bring this up becausefirst of all, it's still a myth
that people are practicing quitea bit.
Tali (31:37):
The ice thing is really surprising to me still.
Cody (31:39):
And I say myth because this was considered to be good
sports science, you know, for along time that when you are
injured, slap some ice on it,elevate it, rest, and, and
that's gonna be the, the bestapproach to deal with acute.
Inflammation in like a jointinjury or something like that.
(32:00):
The guy who invented the acronymhas even come out and said like,
that was a mistake.
That what?
Yeah.
I mean, this is, it'sfrustrating that these things
just stick for so long, justbecause it sounds good.
It's catchy.
It's a good acronym.
Well, that's what you
Tali (32:15):
were saying in the beginning is right.
There's so many of these sayingsor whatever they are that we
just.
Continue to circle back tobecause they sound good.
Yeah.
But as
Cody (32:24):
we've heard it so many times as a coach, it's a little
frustrating that this is stillsticking because Kelly Star, Dr.
Carol, Kelly Star, he's a doctorof physical therapy, I think
written a couple books and.
For a long time was reallypopular in the CrossFit
community and now he's kind ofbranched out to be a pretty
(32:47):
well-known name in just healthand fitness in general.
And he said, you know, 10 yearsago he made this video called,
I'm So Sorry, we were wrong.
And it was like, we should notbe icing things.
In fact, heat is even better.
Like, oh yeah, like,
Tali (33:05):
Pro, like encourage the body to Yes.
Repair itself.
Yeah.
Rather than icing and slowing itdown.
Yeah.
Hashtag two weeks.
Cody (33:15):
So the geez, the icing is an attempt to knock out
inflammation, but the acuteinflammation, like of an injury
that just happened, is yourbody's first response to.
To protect the area and to alsostart the process of fluid
exchange to bring nutrients toit and remove bad shoot, I'm
(33:43):
forgetting the name, butbasically the bad stuff, bad
blood.
Yeah.
So by stopping that inflammationresponse, you're actually
slowing your healing.
So it's actually doing theopposite of what you want it to
do.
Yeah.
It's actually making it worseand it's still a trope.
It's still a thing that people,that doctors and coaches and all
(34:07):
kinds of people who are educatedin the sports arenas are still.
Prescribing that and it actuallyis making everything worse and
Tali (34:19):
well, it seems like such a dismissal of the body's
brilliance, isn't it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, we think about all ofthese things that our body does,
whether it's swelling or a feveror whatever, as these bad
things.
Mm-hmm.
And they're, our body's naturalprocess ceases to.
Do its job.
(34:40):
Yeah.
And it's amazing.
It's brilliant the way that thebody responds to injury or
insult.
Cody (34:50):
Yeah.
I think this could be carriedover though to the wider range
of topics of, of trauma or badevents, because doing nothing is
not necessarily a good thing.
But also I think sometimespeople do the wrong things to
try to heal.
What Well, For instance, I havein certain circles witnessed
(35:13):
people say, well, I just neededto vent.
And it's like, no, you'reactually gossiping and making
the problem.
You're getting more riled up bygoing over and over and over.
This with your gossipy friends.
Like that is not therapy.
That is not healing.
That is.
It just adding insult to injurykind of thing.
(35:35):
Yeah.
Well that's kind
Tali (35:36):
of what I was talking about earlier with talking to
friends.
It's easy to dig that holedeeper or to open that wound
more.
Mm-hmm.
And I'm assessing, I'm trying toassess like what my role is as
the the listener.
Yeah.
Because you don't wanna fakestuff.
(35:57):
You don't wanna diminish theirfeelings.
But you also don't wanna make itworse.
Cody (36:04):
You don't wanna stoke the fire.
Tali (36:05):
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Or prolong the pain.
You don't wanna ice it.
Mm-hmm.
So I think the idea is thatactive recovery in the gym and
out of the gym is reallynecessary.
You know, whenever we arefeeling challenged or knocked
(36:27):
down, there are tools that youcan use to move through.
That pain rather than ignoringit, stuffing it down, resting on
it, you know, take yourself forwalks, write in your journal,
talk to somebody, you know,don't vent, but talk to
somebody.
You'll be productive.
(36:50):
But yeah, I think that movementis magic.
It's just kind of the, thehighlight here is that moving
through our challenges is, Mostimportant and that the time
healing all wounds might be.
A bit of an illusion lookingback as opposed to a method.
(37:14):
Mm-hmm.
Of healing.
Cody (37:17):
Yeah.
Movement or taking action iseven wrong.
Action is often better than noaction.
Oh yeah.
In almost every scenario.
Scenario, it's like badpublicity.
Well, because even.
Even taking the wrong steps totry to fix a situation is a
learning experience.
Absolutely.
And doing nothing is justnothing.
(37:37):
There's, there's no learningexperience for, I can't
Tali (37:39):
remember if this is true or not, but wasn't there, I.
Isn't there a shark or somethingthat it has to keep moving or
else it dies?
Yeah.
It might not be true, but I,I've heard that said before.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Even if it ain't just channelthat
Cody (38:00):
just keep swimming,
Tali (38:01):
I would say that that is like a, maybe a better
replacement.
Saying, even though that wasn'tvery eloquent for things like
this, like I think it's reallyinteresting that you're bringing
in to question all of thesesayings or beliefs that we have
in our culture that are justassumed at this point.
Mm-hmm.
Because they're said sorepeatedly that there might need
(38:25):
to be some new ones.
Created, and I feel like Iactually have heard from some
really wise women in my life.
For instance, my mom haschanged, kill two birds with one
stone to feed two birds with oneseed.
And then my boss, Jodi, insteadof saying like it's to die for,
(38:46):
she says it's to live for.
That's funny.
I think it's great.
I think those things reallyshould be assessed because
language is important.
We take it to heart, it hasweight, has meaning.
Mm-hmm.
And to just simply excuse themor just to think that we're all
capable of like seeing beyondwhat it's really saying might
(39:09):
be.
Underestimated.
Cody (39:12):
Yeah.
I mean, we live in a meme worldand so it's easy to take in some
saying that sounds really goodwithout really thinking through
the consequences of allowingthat to seep into our belief
system.
Totally.
That's
Tali (39:25):
kind of scary to think about.
Mm-hmm.
Considering how many memes wesee a day.
Yeah.
Cody (39:30):
So nuanced thinking is.
Valuable.
Yes, very valuable.
So, yes, I guess that's thetakeaway here is to move keep
moving and regardless of thesetback or injury or what the
type is, whether it's in the gymor in your romantic life or
whatever it is that takingaction and movement is gonna be
(39:53):
the, the key to healing andovercoming and not just waiting
it out.
Mm-hmm.
And then even if you take thewrong actions, at least you have
an assessment tool.
You've learned something, youmm-hmm.
You can, you can steer thatmoving vehicle since you can't
steer a parked car.
Right.
(40:14):
Yeah.
Well, shall we wrap it up?
Tali (40:17):
Yes.
Okay.
I think it's time to getlifting.
Cody (40:19):
Alrighty.
Let's, let's head down and pickup some heavy stuff and, mm-hmm.
Put it back down.
Okay.
Thanks babe.
Love you.
Love you too.
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