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Hey everybody, it's yours truly nice man Jamie Dundee and you're
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Thanks again for tuning in. Here he is, Wolfie D Ladies and
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across the street. And today we don't have a Wolfie
or a guest, so we're going deep into the archives and I figured
I would do something really special for y'all.

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I'm going digging into the archives of Give Me Back My Pro
Wrestling and I'm bringing you 1/2 of PG13.
That's right, the other half, normally I'm giving you Wolfie D
Well, today you're getting JamieDundee.
You're getting the first half ofthe interview we did with Jamie
back in February 2024. We talk about all kinds of great
stuff, Jamie starting the business, getting in the

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business and all that. Anyway, I hope you all enjoyed
that. If you want to hear the rest of
the interview, just jump on overto at GMBMPW and you can check
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It's Jamie Dundee. JC Ice Ice Man, how you doing
today, brother? Man, I'm great man.
I've got my, my, my, my youngestbaby girl with me and we went
and just got our nails done. We because the cell phone world,
just like something happened andshe was like a blessed heart.
She was slipping out, and I thought I was going to have to
commit her to a mental institute.

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Daddy, the phone's not working, the Internet, and I can't talk
to my boyfriend. You know?
You know how it is. I mean, you can't talk to your
boyfriend at 15. That's the end of the world,
bro. Hey, J Star.
Say hello. Say hello to the world.
Say hello world The. Famous J Star We love it.
Yeah, J Star. That's right.
And I named all my youngest kindof after, after my life is

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they're all JD's, kind of like the Jarretts.
All the Jarretts are double J's,you know, And then just all of a
sudden all my JDS, I got anotherone named JC, which is after JC
is, I mean, I got, I got all kind of, I got a Jordan Sky, I
got all kind of funky blades Carrera, I got, I got some cool
ass kids, man. It's a cool ass man.
I mean, they, they have to put up with me because people don't

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understand it's, it's hard to live with me.
Well, and, and that's understandable, man, you know,
the, the life of a wrestler doesn't always make for the best
fathers, the best mothers. But when it comes down to it,
you kind of, I think what I'd like to see about you, man, is
you've really made like a total familial change, man.
Like you can tell that you're not the same old Jamie again.

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You probably sometimes think like the same old Jamie.
But you can tell, bro. You can tell you've kind of
stepped it up, man. Man, you know, here's the
things. Damn it.
I didn't sign up for this, bro. I didn't sign up to feed the
grandfather, to be the responsible one.
I'd never signed up for this. I didn't know my term was going
to come. Hey, listen, I quit doing drugs

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15 years ago. Hate it, hate every minute of
it. Wish I was still doing drugs,
running the roads, famous and have a bunch of money, but I'm
not now I'm just a grandpa and adad and I just do normal stuff
because here's the thing what most people probably don't
understand, in my life, when I grew up in the rest of the
business, it was a mafia. My dad hung out with wrestlers,

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my mom hung out wrestlers wives,and I hung out wrestlers kids
and that was it. And so if everybody was doing
it, it can't be wrong no matter what it was because everybody
was doing it. You see what I'm and so growing
up in my world was and then, then, then one day I, you know,
I entered the entertainment world at a very young age.
And then by the time I'm 30 years old, man, I've done more

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than most 60 year olds have donein our business.
In a sense. You know what I'm saying about
go fast. And then, then one day, my wife
of 15 years, she challenged me, man.
And then nobody challenges me. Yeah, I don't care what it is,
if it's going dark, if it's a race I don't get, I always have
to accept the challenge. And she said, Jamie Dundee,
you're fun, but I can't be with you because you do drugs.

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And I said, shit, I don't dress up Jamie Dundee, I do whatever I
want, I'll quit. She said, you can't quit then.
This is no joke, brother. Cold Turkey stopped.
And I never, ever, ever turned back and did any dope except one
time I had a backslide about a year after we, you know, I said
I would quit, but one day becamea week, a week became a month.
And then I said, no shit, I ain't been high.

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I did nothing in a month. And then it became pride.
Then then it became pride thing to me really.
And then one month was 3, three months was a year.
And now it's 15 years later, bro.
And I'm like, wow, no kidding meall because my wife of of
today's challenged me and I've always been one of them
challenged me. I'll show you.
And it went as Doctor Tom Pritchard said, I now drink you.

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I now smoke you. I'm driving down D Well, that's
what happened in my sobriety kind of world too.
It was like, wow, man. And now it's just, I'm just now
surprised. And now, now I just, I still
spend a lot of money like I did back then, but I spend it on
dumb stuff like video games and,and my kids and.
That's good though. I mean dude.

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My life is short, brother. Life is really, really short.
And everybody is going to take their time to have to be buried.
And you never know when it can be right now.
It can be at the end of the show.
I mean, so time is so short, man, that, yeah, I've really
learned a lot in the last 15 years of sobriety because when
you're sober, mind, you think you look at things a little

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different than you would if you were intoxicated in any, any
kind of way, you know? Yeah, absolutely, man.
And you know, I, I don't want tostart off with a with a bummer,
but to to kind of start off, youknow, obviously recently you've
you've had a a smack in the faceof life with with the loss of
your son, Austin Dundee. I'm, I'm, you know, obviously I,

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I sent you a message, man, I'm very sorry, you know, that that
happened. I can't imagine because I have a
son and I can't imagine losing him.
So I I don't even know how to put it in words, you know?
You know, Jimmy, I, I, I don't, I don't know how to put it in
words either. That's I try to tell my children
now and and my grandchildren because out of something such a

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bad tragedy, such a good thing has came about because it's
bonded all my children. It's bonded my grandchildren
with us. It's it's really it's really
gave a perspective on wildlife is not promised for nobody
because everybody in the family,you know, you, you expect you're
supposed to bury your parents. You're never supposed to bury
your children. And it's just, it's just so it's

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just, you know, it's just one ofthose things, you know, and he's
a Dundee too. So he's just like me.
We butted heads. We've gone a year and a half,
two years without speaking. We've, you know, it's one of
those but, but, but, but the, hecame to my house just a few
months ago and we spent all weekend together and, you know,
and you know, and then he knew Iloved him.
And you know, because when you're when you're the son of an

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entertainer, well, any entertainment, a rock band, a
movie star, whatever it may be, when that when that
entertainment person is down andthey're entertaining the
children, I guess they would feel left out because my dad was
an entertainer. And I felt left out a lot of
times, you know, because you, mydad couldn't come to the
hospital if I was sick because he had to go to Memphis and he
had to go to Louisville and he had to go to Evansville because

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the show must go on. And that's what feeds you, you
know what I mean? And so it's such a lonely world
in a sense. But also you, you as, as the old
dude Haystack said one time, he said, he said, I'm surrounded by
people. But I always feel so lonely, you
know, because. Yeah, I mean, it's so true
because, you know, you, everybody in the world just

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thinks your life is whatever they think it is.
And they think it's so great. And but they don't ever think of
the sacrifices and the children at home and the wives and the
women and you know, and, and, but, but, but all I know, man,
that if you got any kind of beefwith any family member or
anybody that's in your family orin your life, you know, because
family don't mean blood. That just means people that are
in your life that are there for you when you need them.

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If you got a little problem withthem over some dumb shit like
some money or just, you know, just go fix it, man, because
life is so short, bro. And this really has opened
everybody in the in the Dundee clans family.
It's opened our eyes to Wow, man, like life is just so short,
you know? You know, I mean, I buried my
brother-in-law. Oh, Bobby, I buried my sister.

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I buried my mother. My dad had dementia.
All that is it. That's OK.
Because that's kind of how it's supposed to be.
They were all older and they've all lived their life.
But to bury a child, it's just, I don't, I don't know, man.
I don't even know. There's no words to tell
somebody how how it is unless ithappens to you.
And I hope it never happens to nobody because it's the worst,
the worst thing in the world, bro.
It it's just, it's not meant to be, man.

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It's just not something we are. We are our body is programmed to
do. Man, my jaw hit the floor,
brother and I, I, I just felt sosorry for you, man.
I was like, golly, you know, here.
I know because I've heard and I,I know, you know, as everyone
knows, I've said it a million times.
I'm the Co host of Wolfie D's podcast.
So obviously Wolfie D's Co host is going to know a lot about

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Jamie Dundee too, you know. And when it comes down to
Wolfie, you know, yeah. I mean, if you talk about
Wolfie, you talk about me. If you talk about me, you talk
about Wolfie. Because we get it together.
We were there at the same time. We get it all together.
Brothers for life. Yeah, I had the $800 cab billing
challenge and all that was all me by myself.

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Well. You know, I mean, again, you
know, massive condolences from ours.
And you know, here's the thing, it's one of those.
He's got an 8 year old daughter,my grand, my granddaughter, he's
got a 5 year old boy and a four year old.
And it's just so it's just one of those things.
And listen, I'm not the, the autopsy ain't back, but but I'm

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no idiot. I'm a streetwise dude.
And I know that what killed my boy was fentanyl.
And I know this in the bottom ofmy heart.
And when that autopsy comes back, that's what it's going to
say. And most people would be ashamed
of that. And I'm saying this to tell most
don't do fentanyl, man. Don't you know, in my, in our
days, listen, cocaine couldn't kill you, bro.
You could snort all the cocaine you wanted.

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Your nose would just block up and it wouldn't kill you.
But the stuff today, the street drugs of today, they're they're,
they're homemade and they're just, I don't understand, man.
It's a 5050 shot when you do it,if you're going to live, man.
And then believe me, if it was a5050 shot, I was going to live
or not because I love me and I really want to live a long time.
I would have never got high and I can say that 100%.

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But nowadays, I mean, it's just it's crazy because they put
fentanyl in these pills and theygot pill forms and they make it.
And my boy probably thought he was doing a Lortab.
That's no joke. And and you know, he was out of
a rehab. He had been clean for about a
year and a half. And so and and and and bam, they
found him on the floor in the bathroom with the shower
running. So yes, he came home, he got him

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whatever he was going to do. He did a little bit and it was a
little bit was too much, man. So I'm just telling people just
I mean, it's crazy, but you can't tell nobody, nothing
people are they there? You have to learn the hard way.
And this is really a hard, hard way to learn for really, it's
terrible. I wouldn't wish it on nobody,
man. Well, and I mean that, that that
is so true what you just said. If, if people could learn from

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other people's experiences, it would be an easy world, man, You
know what I mean? So.
If yeah, that's right. Because here's the thing, we as
drug addicts or we as, whatever it is, it's not going to happen
to us. Right.
That happened to everybody else,like I told I told officer's
Mama, I said this ain't how our story's supposed to be end.
You know, that's everybody else's story.

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That's not listen, if they wouldhave said Jamie Dundee was found
dead O deed or something, the whole world would have went
well, No shit. You know, just like just like
the crocodile hunter. We wanted him to get eaten by a
crocodile. He wasn't supposed to die by a
thing off of a Stingray. You know what I mean?
Just don't don't go it don't fitthe story, man.
And so it's just this. But but see, I, I teach my kids

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and my grandkids. I don't ever want to mourn
death. I want death to celebrate.
Because if you're a believer, then he's gone on to better
things than this shitty life, man, you know?
But if you're not a believer, then still celebrate the good,
celebrate the happiness, celebrate the fun, because we
all, every single person on thisplanet has to die, bro.

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And so there's no so to me, you should celebrate it.
You should say this is this is at my funeral.
I want people drinking. I want them smoking pot.
I want them jamming on Kid Rock.I want the Jelly rolls down or
struggle. I want I want my boy Jesus, Alan
Cole up there playing the guitar.
I want I want it to be celebrated and all the

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functions. I had a lot of fun in my life
and I want my funeral to be fun.I don't want a bunch of people
sitting there mourning and crying and looking over my body.
I want everybody there saying, hell yeah, Dundee.
He didn't give a shit anyway. Right on.
Here's a beer, my boy. You know what I mean?
I just, it's just that we all have to take our turn.
And so it's just, I guess those that are left behind are the

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ones that suffer because the onethat's passed away has gone on
to better things. Man is, you know if you're a
Christian and a believer. If not, then he's gone on to
whatever it is you believe. Right.
Yeah, Well, you know, Wolfie andI have a saying together that we
think you will outlive us all though.
Jamie, it'll be you. Funny to say, but but that's
usually, you know, I've always lived my life for Jamie Dundee

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first and foremost. Now that I'm a grandpa, which I
didn't sign up to be. I didn't sign up to be the
responsible one. I did not sign up to be.
I didn't know it was coming. I didn't never ever thought
about the day when I, you know, in life, we everybody goes to
the grandparents house if they need something or want something
and the grandparents always giveit to them.
And I've never, I didn't sign upfor that.

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When did I become the the top? I'm the grandpa.
I'm the oldest in the family. I'm the one that's supposed to
tell everybody right from wrong.Well, I don't know right from
wrong. I don't know what to tell my
grandkids and my kids, but I do know to tell them that if you
live a good life, good things come to you.
I believe in a karma life. I believe in a karma world.
If you wake up every day try to do karma, you try to do bad

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conniving scam and shit, then that's what comes back to you,
man. If you wake up every day and
just try to get by and survive and just do what you feel is the
right thing to do, then I believe that that's what comes
back to you, man. I really do 100%.
Yeah, I think there's something to that for sure, man.
And you know, we kind of pivot to a little bit of wrestling

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here, Jared. He always takes the first
question. Obviously this is a totally
different show cause Jamie Dundee is on the show with.
US. You know, we want you to be able
to talk about it though, so takeit away.
Plastic sheet. All right, Jamie, so this is a
question that's going to, you know, I, I would mind you to

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answer this in maybe two ways. You know, like, so I always like
to know like a Mount Rushmore ofwrestling for you.
Like who influenced you? Who did you like to watch?
Who, who do you think is the greatest of all time?
And it's, it's a, it's a totallyopinion question.
And you could also give me some tags.
You give me a solo with A tag team.
The very greatest, The reason I became a wrestler, being the son

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of a wrestler, you really don't want to grow up and be a
wrestler. You do when you're a little boy,
you know, you watch your daddy on TV and that's cool and you go
to the shows, but it's, it's kind of like you don't, you
know, my daughter, my 15 year old sitting here with me.
She's never seen me in the ring but one time in 15 years.
I see what I'm saying being because it's a totally different
world and when if you get struckby that starting party.

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But what made me want to be a professional wrestler is the
greatest professional wrestler on our planet.
And that was my brother-in-law, beautiful Bobby Eaton.
When I watched Bobby Eaton in the ring brother, I said wow,
this dude has got it. And of course my dad.
My dad was my hero. Of course, like all little boys
and Jerry the King holler by God, Lawler and Dundee.
If you have never seen a Lawler and Dundee match, when you turn

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one of them home, you won't knowif it's a work or if it's a
shoot or it's it's unbelievable that that that that I still to
this day don't know Bill Dundee,Jerry Lawler, my brother-in-law,
beautiful Bobby Eaton and of course Ricky Morton and Robert
Gibson. Because you know, those people
were around my whole entire life.

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When my daddy was became a Booker and went to Louisiana for
Bill Watts or we went to Charlotte for Crockett or we
went to wherever we went to hereand there bounced all over the
world. My dad would always take the
Midnight Express, the Rock'n'roll Express, a referee
named Ronnie West, and he would take guys like Terry Taylor or,
you know, that just, you know, afew others, but always the

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Rock'n'roll, the Midnight and Bill Dundee.
And we would move and we would all go together, you know what
I'm saying? And so those gentlemen have been
such a big part of my life that,that, that, that Bobby passing
away was just, it was the very first really devastating because
I believe me, I've heard a lot of my wrestling brothers that I

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loved and that I'm up and down. But when Bobby Eaton passed
away, it, it was bad, man. And, but also that's like I
said, I have learned to accept death.
Death is coming for every one ofus whether we wanted to or not.
And so I just feel that I'm a professional wrestler.
And what made me say this is what I'm doing is watching my

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brother-in-law wrestle Ricky Morton and Robert Gibson.
I mean, honestly, when I my dad was just the greatest thing in
the world. And then, you know, then, then
of course everyone knows The Rock'n'roll versus the Midnight
is shit bar none the greatest orelse The Rock'n'roll versus
anybody or the Midnight versus anybody is indeed.
That's what made me want to be awrestler.
Man, there was a match with yourdad and and Jerry.

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It was in the 80s and I think Sting and it was by ringside.
It was a loser leaves town match.
That is one of the best matches that.
Was the second deal where they, they built it up for my mom to
shave her head. They people thought they were
going to shave my mom's head again for the second time, but
yeah, yeah. And then she went to the ring
with it and it was Paula Lawler and Jerry Lawler.
And then on the other side was Beverly Dundee.

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And it had a lot. It had Billy Travis had Sting in
the Warrior as the Freedom Fighters, It had Pat Rose, It
had a whole bunch of arrested Apex, every wrestler in the
company, they put them on aroundthe ring, you know, and that was
really heard of back in back in that day because you had the Kay
fave, you know, and they had allthese guys sitting next to each
other because that's how they made it.
Like that's what it was. That's how big of a deal it was.

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Right, right. I'm telling you though, it's one
of the greatest matches I've ever seen in my life and I've
seen a whole lot of matches so and.
You know, 60 minutes it went, itwent like 55 minutes or
something. And they never, ever lost the
people, bro. I mean, that's see what the
world don't really understand. When you watch Vincent McMahon
come into town and he brings allthem lights and all them cameras
and he hits your town and he comes one time a year to your

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town. And most of the time he don't
sell the building out. He has to give the tickets away
to make it full. In our world, every single
Monday night they had to go to the same building with the same
people. Every Tuesday night you had to
go to Louisville with the same people.
So to to be able to go 52 weeks in a year for 25 years to the

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same building and still draw money.
Brother, that, that that's really it's it's it's hard as
hell to even fathom to think that that that could be done.
You know, I mean, how many timeswill you go see a movie?
Maybe twice, three times at the most.
And this is the same movie coming to your town every
weekend. They're packing it in, bro.
They are packing it in. It is.
It was. It was.

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It's very, very hard to to even just to think about that man for
real. It almost seems magic, you know
what I mean? Exactly right.
But it was magic because Jerry Jarrett, Bill Dundee, Jerry
Lawler and Eddie Gilbert and many other other guys that would
go to the office and get together and book it and, and,
and they always said if the people can call it, they won't

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come back. So you never could call it.
Even even if shit, sometimes when I was in the angles I
couldn't call the next deal because they would swerve us,
you know what I'm saying? Exactly.
Wow. This is where we're going.
With this. And they'd be like, no, we're
going to go and you go, wow, that is brilliant.
But that's why they ran for 40 years in the same towns and drew
money and made money, you know? Yeah, no doubt I.

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Was going to ask you, Jamie, what do you think the had had
Vince not bought up everything and and then all that, what do
you think? Do you think that the
territories could have survived all this time?
Well, here's the thing. It's not that the territories
couldn't survive. It's that the talent couldn't
keep up. You see what I'm saying?

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When my dad, when we moved to America when I was four years
old, we came from Australia and we moved to America, there was
32 major organizations. So what that meant was there was
32 world champions, there was 32tag champions, and then there
was other wrestlers. And what I mean by that is you
could go Dundee and Lawler are the top 2.

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Then you got The Rock'n'roll versus the Midnight of the tag.
And then what you do is you justfeed other wrestlers.
So you would bring stars from Florida, say, and bring them in
and Lawler and Dundee would beatthem and the Rock'n'roll would
beat them and the Midnight wouldbeat them.
And a year and a half later theywould go back home and they are
the stars of Florida. So Florida was thrilled to see
him. So it would draw again.

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And then he would take Lawler and Dundee and them and you
would feed them to Florida and you would get them to Florida
for a year and they would put all them guys over.
So he'd give credibility to them.
And then you would send them back home.
And when they came back to Tennessee, the world was so
happy to see them. You know what, I'm, you see what
I'm saying? You could, you could swap the
talent. You would my dad would go into a
company, he would fire everybodyin the company, but the first

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thing he would do was make sure they had a job.
So he would go into the company and he would say, hey, Danny
Davis, hey, Terry Taylor, hey, Magnum TA, you three are going
down to work for Dusty and the Rock'n'roll and the Midnights
coming here, you see what I'm saying?
And swap the talent around. And if you went through 32 major
organizations, you could literally spend a year in each
110 years. Five years later, by the time

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you came back to your your company where you're the star,
the people are so happy to see you that it draws again.
And that's how that's how stayedalive.
Plus everybody could work, you know, I mean, I mean, you know,
it's not the people's fault today that they don't know how
to work. It's because the ones before
didn't know how to teach them. You know, you can't teach
psychology. You listen, then you get on the

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Internet right now there's a 7 year old boy playing drums and
he plays Neil Perks Rush. You know, Neil Perk the greatest
plays that wild. He's solo and he's seven years
old. You can't teach that.
That is not ever going to be taught.
That is born and it Tosh Ferret is a little guitar player,
duties about 20 now, but he was 10 years old when he won
Australia Got Talent playing Purple Rain by Prince.

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You know, you teach those things, man Tiger Woods kind of
golf, Michael Jordan kind of basketball.
You cannot teach that. It's either you or it's not.
And the same with wrestling. You could teach people to
wrestle as they always stand. You can teach 2 monkeys how to
wrestle. They just don't know how to do
the psychology to sell it to thepeople.
And that is the part that that is the, you know, in the rest of

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the world, man, it is the only business that I love that I've
that fed my own entire family. But it's the only business in
the world that I myself can take16,000 people in the building
and I can stand them up, sit them down, make them scream,
make them shut up when I want them to exactly the moment I
want them to. Because that is what psychology

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is. You know what I'm saying?
It's easy to go into the rain and go, hey, shut up, you fat
girl. He, he just like Jimmy Hart.
Sit in that chair and don't moveuntil the very, very end.
Jump up, hand him the chain, do the screw and run away.
And people are so angry and so mad.

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Sputnik Monroe one time a woman threw her baby at him.
That's how mad she was. She had her baby in her hand and
threw it at this guy because shewas that angry of the, the, of
the psychology part. It's just wrestling is so easy.
They just made it so hard now. Right.
Yeah, that's true. That's true.
Harder than it should be. It's so easy, but they've made

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it so hard and it's not their fault.
It's because nobody knew how to catch them.
You know, my dad had a wrestlingschool when I was a kid and
that's how I learned to wrestle.I didn't know I was learning to
wrestle. But there were 35 people in this
wrestling school. And you think Bill Dundee was
taking the bumps? No Sir.
Every Sunday, all 35 of y'all body slam Jamie, all 35 people

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dropping down my all Jamie, all 35 of y'all drop kick Jamie, all
35 y'all backdrop Jamie. And guess what?
Jamie learned to work. But I didn't know, you know what
I mean? And, and that's another thing is
if you're, if you're a tree climber and you cut down trees,
the first time you go up that tree to cut it down, they don't
tell you. They just say, keep climbing,
keep climbing, keep climbing. Next thing you know, you're on

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top of this tree and you cut it down.
You know, it's, it's, it's, it's, they have made our
business so hard. And so just where, where I mean,
it is, it's exactly what it is. It's entertainment garbage.
You know that they got these script writers that write the
script and they write scripts upfor somebody that they don't

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even know. That be like saying, Jamie
Dundee, we want you to go out onthis TV and we want you to be
real quiet. We don't want you to say
nothing. We want you to just be out
there. Never going to happen.
Can't do it. No way possible.
But a script writer don't know that, so he just writes Jamie
Dundee gonna go out here and be quiet today.
Well, the people don't buy that because they know Jamie Dundee
can never be quiet. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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That's. Awesome, man.
Yeah, well, I remember seeing a match with you at ECW.
You, you like got the mic and you were like just the crowd was
so, so furious that you would like 10 seconds.
Yeah. Yeah.
But see. But see, it was one of those
things where everybody in the crowd looks at me and says, I

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can whoop him first and foremost, you know what I mean?
And then they're like, that dude, I can whoop the shit out
of that guy, right? So that right there is a big
plus being a heel is because thepeople think I can, I would kill
this guy right here, man. They don't know that.
You know, I'm a cardio and I'm training hard and you know, I'm
I'm snorting cocaine and I'm doing lots of, lots of good
things. You ain't whooping me.

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Not in my, not in my ring. First you got to catch me, but.
That's what it is. That's exactly what it is.
It's a mind game. It's it's kind of like when you
watch Magic. We know David Copperfield never
made this, that you, Elizabeth disappeared.
We know that Criss Angel never made that tree pushed aside.
And we know all that never happened.
But when we watched it, it happened, right?
Yeah. And the same, same thing as

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wrestling, man. Like I said, if the people can
call it, it's over anyway. Yeah, yeah.
So let's let's take it back way back to the beginning here.
So your official start, obviously you're one of the few
that were actually born into thebusiness.
I think you've probably been in the business since you came out
of the womb, essentially. Yes, true that.
Because of the jobs you would doand and getting fat chicks to

(28:16):
kiss you on the cheek. And that was awesome too.
I was. 8 years old and then that's when it all, that's when,
it's when, it's when I when it sunk into me that I can do this
for the rest of my life. I was wearing jumpsuits like my
dad. I was 8 years old and I was
walking around the wrestling buildings.
And back then you could smoke inthe buildings and they sold
alcohol and all them people are smoking and drinking them old
women. They say Little Dundee give me a

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hug. And I went there dressing room.
I told my daddy. I said daddy, little women
smell, man. They smell like tobacco and
alcohol and stuff, man. I said they want hugs and
kisses. And he said we'll charge them.
And I thought really? So I said I would go back out
and walk around. They say, come here, look, don't
they give me a hug? I say, ma'am, hugs are a dollars
and kisses are two and then morebroad say well here's $5.

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You give me two of each and I'd say, oh God, but I would do it.
I'd give them a hug and then twokisses and I'd leave that bill
1977. I'd leave that bill with 30 or
40 bucks and I'd take damns. That's a lot of money because
most people didn't make $2.00 anhour back then.
And dollars was a whole 8 hour aday worth.
And I did it in an hour kissing packages.
I'm like, I can do this for the rest of my life.

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So what was your first official match and where was it?
My very first event no Jaden star that will not my daughter
said will that work for me Nowadays it's $20.00 for hussy
kisses. But no that will not work for
you because you are a girl and girls cannot do that and get

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away with the boys good. But my very my very first match
ever was in Knoxville, TN. My dad became the Booker for Ron
Fuller, Robert Fullers brother. You know, he, he had just bought
Knoxville. It was called Continental and
Continental closed down and Ron Fuller bought it and called it
the USA Championship Wrestling. And we run in Knoxville.

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And he hired my dad to be the Booker.
And so I was on the road, my dadselling my daddy's pictures.
Bill was a baby face and they wanted him to switch heel.
And he said, I'm not going to switch Hill because my kids are
smoking pot already. And you know, and of course he's
kissing chicks for dollars and he's he's Wilder in the buck.
He's 16 years old. And I'm not, I don't want switch
Hill because if I do that, he can't go on the road with me.
So Ron Fuller said once you makehim the manager.

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So he he came to me and this washis exact words.
We were cutting the grass and hesaid, boy, Fuller wants me to
switch heels. He said, you want to be my
manager. And I thought, I don't know.
He said, son, there's more money, more pussy and more fame
than you can poke a stick at. And I said, well, then I want to
do it. We hit the road and my very

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first match ever, they, you know, I was Bill's little heel
manager and nobody knew I was Bill's son.
I was just this little manager guy, right?
And it was against a Midget named Butch Cassidy.
That was my very first match ever in in Knoxville as a heel.
And but my dad had already had the wrestle school in in
Tennessee in Nashville. So I had already been taking

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lots of bumps and learned like Isaid.
And so I did the little match with the manager.
I mean, with the Midget and brother, you talk about heat
man, that brother, he could go, man.
He just said go with me, kid. And he put he flew me all over
that building and then Bill ran to the ring and pile drive him
and I covered him 123. I thought they were going to
ride man, the heat, the heat wasso because Bill's not much

(32:28):
taller than the Midget, but you know, it was two of us and one
of him. So when we got we got everybody
got that one 2-3 and bro, that started my, my, my, my, my kind
of, you know, my, my taking bed because the heel manager must
take pumps, you know what I mean?
And so that's why that's when I started them as then we then
that to a company closed. We went to Tennessee and my so
my very first babyface match by matter of fact, I just watched

(32:52):
it the other day was August the 22nd, 1988 was my very first
match ever announced by the, youknow, the greatest announcer
ever, Lance Russell. And it was great because the
people cheer me and Boo Bill. I wrestled downtown Bruno.
I wrestled downtown Bruno, you know, he was the manager of the
touch table and they had built this little angle.

(33:13):
This is and this is and then then we get the angle where it
said bitches breaks my neck and all that stuff right after that.
But it was great because I just watched.
I told Bruno the other day, I said, Bruno, I got our very
first match ever from the live camera from from the building
with Lance Russell doing commentary.
And then when they he builds me up, Jamie's first match and
people cheer like hell. And when they say in in this

(33:33):
corner, Bill Dundee, that whole building goes, but that's Waller
company. That's Waller.
You know what I mean? That's Waller down.
And it was pretty cool because the people they welcomed me and
then told Bill man and they werelike your boys first match.
Good way to go to little Dundee.But you're old man.
He cheats on Lawler and all. That's great.

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That's great. All right, Jamie, so this is a
question that you know, there there's there's going to be many
answers that are possible, I'm sure.
But who who are some of the craziest people in the business
that you've come in contact with?
I know we've got a recent thing with Billy Jack Haynes kind of
maybe mercy killing his wife andeverything like that, but.
Allegedly right. Allegedly right.

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Yeah, but. Well, if you it depends on who
you ask, Jamie Dundee would be one of them.
I think you're I think you're quick winner though, Jamie, I
think that's the thing. But you're very quickly.
It's fun crazy. My crazy is not not, not Billy.
Billy Jack was literally that. And you know what's real weird

(34:36):
about that? About four, 5-6 months ago, just
out of nowhere, bro, I get a message on messenger.
It says, hey bro, how you doing?And I look at it and I go, Billy
Jay is that is that big Billy Jay?
Is that the same guy? You know, it wasn't like me and
him were pals or buddies. I mean, he worked in the company
with us when we were, we were drawing pretty good.

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It was the Rock'n'roll versus USand him the versus Brian.
And I mean, we were it was a good, you know, the company was
all together and when we were, but it wasn't like me and him
were really ever even kind of spoken.
I was like, I'm good, brother. Is that you better, Jackie?
He's like, yeah, man, how you doing?
I'm like, I'm all right, brother.
I said how the hell are you, man?
I said shit. I said, you know, like anything.

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I thought you was already dead, bro.
No, no, I don't mean that the bad way, but I've not heard that
dude's name in 25 years probably.
And then all of a sudden he justsent me a message.
He, he's, he's, he's definitely was a crazy, but he was a big
bad, crazy dude in the 70s and 80s, they said.
I mean, he's a tough son of a bitch, man.

(35:38):
I mean, I don't know what the situation is.
He broke Brian Christopher's collarbone and he didn't care.
He, he, he, he, when he would dothem interviews and shit, you
could see that he was telling you I'm going to hurt you.
He, he was coming to hurt you, man.
It was definitely he was definitely one of the craziest
bastards I ever met. Now, as far as the wrestling
crazy, like Sabu Sabu's wrestling crazy, you know what I

(36:01):
mean? I mean that dude puts his body
through or mankind the same thing.
The things they do to their bodies for this shitty business
that don't appreciate it is justwow to me.
But if you mean crazy like in the mind, definitely Billy Jack
Haynes is way up there long before this wife deal.
And let me see, there's two more.

(36:22):
Let me we faked this. Let me think of this other guy's
name. Oh, gosh, it's not going to come
to me because I'm trying to think of it so hard.
You know, how about new Jack? New Jack?
New Jack is let me say, let me say it like this and they can
take this anyway they want to take it.
New Jack was a bully. New Jack was a punk bully Muff

(36:45):
new Jack never beat nobody up face to face man to man new Jack
sucker punch people new Jack putknives in it.
You see what I'm saying right tell you whatever and he did it
premeditated. You know what I'm saying and the
reason he did that is because hewasn't tough he was a coward and
a punk and a gang banger that just happened to get a shot in

(37:06):
the rest of business. You know what I mean honestly,
and I would say that to his face.
I live with new Jack me and new Jack was in Philadelphia.
This mother runs and bust the window out of the car while
we're putting gas in it and thisis I put this on my dead Mama.
New Jack took off the one other way.
I jumped in the car and punched the dude in the face and new
Jack took off running. You just a shit bro.

(37:27):
That's how you get killed. I'm like, yeah, that's my car
man, You know what I mean? I mean, I mean I knew Jack was a
bully and a punk man. He was one of them dudes that
he's only tough if it's if he knows he's going to wrestle the
mass transit fat kid and put 4 razors in his, you know what I'm
saying? Or Gypsy Joe.
Gypsy Joe was an 80 year old manand damn near beat his ass, you

(37:50):
know what I'm saying? So I mean my new Jack, he
definitely, he was crazy, but hewas cowardly.
He was a punk crazy. He was the kind of crazy that
that did it take 5 gang members to do, you know what I mean?
Five can whoop a man. Right, right.
I mean, and he would have never done that to a 40 year old Gypsy
Joe, you know what I mean? He wouldn't have done that to a

(38:10):
60 year old Gypsy Joe. You believe that, right?
Right. Because he didn't do too well
against an 80 year old Gypsy Joe, right?
Exactly the one that drove New Jack to the building.
New Jack stayed in my house before that show and and I'm a
Joe Joe was Joe was the type of guy Joe believed Joe was still
the same Joe at 80 years old andand and knew Jack even said,

(38:33):
hey, brother, what you know whatyou want to do here?
And he goes, you, you bring it, do whatever you got.
And Jack's like, damn it, this this old dude for real.
Yeah, Jackie's for real. I said.
But listen, man, I said Joe justyou know, it's nothing.
Just go out here and, you know, just do your little things.
And he's Gypsy Joe Jack in the corner and punched him in the

(38:54):
face about three times and damn near knock him out.
And that's when Jack said, holy shit, this dude's for real.
And he grabbed me by the hair. He tied it around the top rope.
And then he just kept his size was four times bigger than Joe.
And Joe was an 80 year old man. Because believe me, Joe lived
down the road from my mama's house.
And I saw him after that. And it hurt him.
I mean it hurt Joe, it hurt Joe's pride, but it also hurt

(39:17):
Joe and let Joe kind of know that because new Jack was a 35
year old gang banging brother, you know?
And so it honestly, if you wouldhave told Joe and knew Jack,
y'all go to the ring and fight, just throw him fist.
I don't know if Jack could have took him.
Right, Right. Yeah, Maybe not.
Maybe not. Yeah, I agree.

(39:37):
I think, I think Joe would have whooped him.
Any other, you know, any other, I think.
Joe would have whooped him thereif Joe was it.
Jack didn't realize what was happening until.
And so he grabbed him by the long hair, tied it around the
top rope and then just started punching him in the face.
Yeah. And Joe was an 80 year old man.
And I don't care what nobody says.
Youth beats age at anytime, any day of the week.

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Youth. Youth is the way.
Youth is always going to win. You know, it's got to.
There's no way. There's no way it's not.
Exactly. No, you're exactly right.
You're exactly right. So we talk about Gypsy Joe, you
know, obviously that leads me totalk about this guy.
So on the Wolfie D podcast, whenyou were on there, I asked
Wolfie. I was like, Wolfie, what was
your first thoughts of Jamie? He was like, man, he's walking
around his dad's jumpsuit hated him.

(40:22):
He was so cocky. I want to find out from you What
were your first thoughts of Wolfie D.
Well, here's first of all, I didn't know that Wolfie was ever
in the crowd because by that time I was already had been the
manager, you know, because like throughout my life, like Jerry
Jarrett would get mad at me or something and they would fire
me, right? You know what I'm saying?

(40:43):
And then later on they'd bring me back for a little Sir angle
and we'd do a little angle to help, you know, pop build or
whatever, because you know that,like I said, they were very
smart businessmen as far as thatgoes.
But I never even knew Wolfie wasin there.
I met Wolfie D when I remember meeting Wolfie D, he was Air
Wolf and he was coming. He was coming to where I live
now. I live in a little town called
Seabury, Kentucky, and right down the road was Central City

(41:06):
and all these little towns we run in and we really did for a
bunch of outlaw wrestlers. We worked every Thursday,
Friday, Saturday and Sunday, andwe're off Monday and Tuesday.
And so we would do the same kindof little circuit.
And so when I met Wolfie, I thought he was really good.
You know, he was a little skinnykid called Airwolf, but I
thought he was really good. And so I started doing angles

(41:26):
with him. You know what I'm saying?
Because a lot of times then, youknow, these outlaw towns, it's
their cousin Johnny and old local Bobby, you know, all them
and little Billy. And then then they suck, but
they're on the show because their their moms are the
promoter, you know, whatever. So when I found somebody that
could wrestle, I would always say, OK, listen, this is what
we're going to put that guy withme.
So, you know, even because I wanted to learn to wrestle and

(41:47):
get better. And the only way to get better
is to do it in front of people, whether it's five people or
5000. And I, Wolfie was really good.
And then when he did the first time, he put the shorts on and
did the DJ, he called himself DJWolfie D.
And. And Chris Champion said.
And I was Jamie the ice Baby Dundee because I had just come
off that that Memphis TV where Iwas managing Stone Cold and all

(42:08):
that. And I turned into JC ice baby
because of Vanilla Ice. And so it turned on my dad and
stuff. So when I come out fat and went
started doing Outlaw Towns wrestling, I was a babyface so I
could sell my pictures and I wasjust Jamie the Ice baby Dundee
and Chris Champion said man, y'all should do that together.
And then that's how we But my first things are Wolfie.

(42:29):
I don't ever remember him being at the fairgrounds.
None of that because back then he would have just been a mark
and we didn't associate with marks.
Like I said, we were a mafia. We would associate them when
they had dollars in their hands and after that you shuffle them
on out the way and let the next dollar come to the table.
Oh man, I would love to know that that Wolfie bought a
picture from Jamie. Can we just make that story up?
But he was never ever on this planet.

(42:51):
But that if he did, he would never tell us I dirty.
He would never tell him. But he didn't tell me that he
hated me. He I hated you, man.
You walked around there so cocky.
I said I want to walk around there cocky.
I was cocky. What are you talking?
You know what are you talking about?
You pay 15 bucks to get in. Not me.

(43:12):
My daughter walks around. You don't ever see me one time
in the rain. Well.
The blood, it's in the blood, man.
Yeah, it is because let me tell you something, I took her up
north to you know when I did them, you know, I know showed
the last two. But I did do 2 conventions with
Wolfie up there. You know I did the the air stems
thing. I went up there and made and
made my number made my wrong right Because I didn't know

(43:33):
anybody would really give a shitif I showed up or not.
But I guess they did and I'm glad.
But I took my daughter to that and like that was the very first
time and she had ever seen her dad and Jamie Dundee as a, as a
star or celebrity or whatever you want to call it, you know,
with people lining up to get my autograph and stuff.
And she had never, ever seen that before.
And, you know, she knew her grandpa's a wrestler.

(43:55):
She knew I was. And she, you know, the things
are online. But I guess when that's your dad
and then you really, you don't really care.
You live with them. You know, all she wants is a new
iPhone and some new Nikes, you know what I mean?
And so first time then, then I told, I told Angela, I said,
damn, I think my kid just got bit by the bug.
We can't have that. We're sitting in that in that

(44:15):
Philadelphia arena at the ECW Arena.
And then people lined up and I'msigning all the grass and I look
over and my kids got on them shades like that almost famous
video, you know, almost come to the girl with the shades.
Jaden Stark got them shades on, got a PG13 shirt on, got a
marker in her hand and shit, She's ready to sign.
Bro October creating a monster right here.

(44:37):
I don't think she really understood what that that in my
day I was kind of somebody, you know what I mean, that, that
people want your autograph and Idon't know, it was pretty.
It's pretty. It's pretty.
Yes. She said she flexes it.
She said you're my biggest flex.I tell everybody my yeah, you
know, Brian Christopher come andlive with us for a while before
he passed away and stuff. And, and so, you know, she would

(44:58):
tell everybody Brian Christopher, my best friend, you
know, she was like 7-8 years oldand I was my best friend.
And people said it is not. She called him on the phone.
Tell them, Brian, you're my bestfriend celebrity part.
I think it is She saw that in there.
So by the end of this two days, man, she's hiding autographs and
I'm like, Oh no, this is not going to happen.
My kids not going to be in this damn entertainment business.

(45:21):
It's not happening. And so but I it's kind of good
that they get to see that part. But but but the outcome is
always so bad. But I mean, hell, I don't know.
I, I've always said the outcome in entertainment world is bad,
but the outcome in the, I guess in, in a lot of things is bad.
If you, I don't know, I have no answers.
I don't know. I don't know if I did it right
or if I did it wrong, but I knowI'm still here.

(45:42):
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manscape.com. If my math's correct, that's
about 8 million balls. Well, let's just pretend like
the day comes. How old is she?
How old's Jay? Jay should be 15.
And when's your birthday? I got so many.
I got one in every month. So I don't know.
That's why I should have named them, named them by the month

(46:45):
they were born. But she'll be 15 in August, so.
OK, so she's coming up on that age where she may make that
decision, Man, what would you dowhen she does that?
What would I do? But first of all is she couldn't
do it in in the rest of businessbecause I've burnt so many
bridges. Not that I gave because

(47:06):
everybody called me. I didn't call them.
You know, our talent. Like I always said, me and
Wolfie are the one of the most underrated tag teams in our
Amen. Absolutely.
You put us in that range. Well, here's an example.
We went to the WWF and wrestled the Smoking Guns.
Cowboy Bill Watts comes to me and says, well, you got your

(47:27):
work cut out for you tonight. Jamie said.
They are the WWF World Championsand they don't have a clue.
You boys better get with them and get to get it right.
And that's what we did. If you watch that match, that
match is great together. We don't weigh as much as one of
them, but by God, then people didn't know if they were going

(47:48):
to put us over or not. That's how because we are, you
know, that's just, but Whoopi has a great mind for this
business, as I do. And like I said, some things
you're just born in, you can't teach them.
And so just trying to teach themtwo big dudes how to do
something. So we a lot of times we didn't
even tell them like that. We we got the spot called the
cat and mouse where one runs open, they get on them and then

(48:08):
at an end of the other start chasing him off and then I run
over and get on him. And we didn't really tell him
that because if you tell him that they would have that up.
So what we did was said. So what we said was, come on, we
we did what you're talking like a little kid.
Well, we taught at him. Come on.
And then he would chase me and then Whoopi go over and get the
heat. And then he I'd say go take what
he'd run over and take what we not get in.

(48:29):
So but if we would have told himthat at the beginning would have
never went right because you know it, it's one of those that
that's what's wrong with the rest of the Business Today.
The two guys get in the back andthey go over every single thing
they're going to do. And if they go to the ring and
something messes up, they don't have a clue what to do.
They're lost. They're scared, they don't.
And here's like, here's one thing that I always knew in

(48:51):
wrestling, there's an offense and a defense.
If you spot up, that's because the other guy was so good that
he made you miss. You just carry on.
You keep going. You know, what they do is panic.
They freeze. They just stop and they go, Oh
my God, what do we do now? What do we do now?
And Archie Bunker said to Meathead.
One time Meathead came in and said, Archie, why are you
watching wrestling? Said that stuff is fake.

(49:11):
Said they know who's going to win or lose.
And Archie Bunker said yeah, they do, but I don't.
And that is what makes our business, like I said, one of
the greatest magical business. And like I said, I can take
everybody in the building to make them do exactly what I
wanted to do when I wanted to doit because that is what my art

(49:32):
form is supposed to be able to do.
And bless your heart, it's not their fault because the ones
before I'm told them, this is how you do it.
You get in the back. Listen, in our day, they gave us
the finish. They said at the very end, we're
going to have so and so you ducked the chair and you don't
know you were the chair. Whoopi, you hit with a Hubcap
123 and every single thing from the beginning to that point, we
called it in the ring. We did it.

(49:53):
We did it when we got out there,you know, you know, and, and me
and Whoopi were so good that that we didn't even have to
speak. We just knew what the other one
was thinking. And then and then that's what
the Rock'n'roll had. That's what the Midnight had.
That's what, that's what really successful tag teams, that's
what they have, is that you justhave to look at each other.
You just know. It's just one of common sense

(50:15):
tells us that this is what has to happen at this spot in this
moment right now, or you don't make no sense.
You know what I'm saying? And they just can't be taught.
Yeah, Jamie, how, how far ahead of your time do you think PG13
was? Like it used to have to be a
monster in like WWE, like you had to be like the smoking gun.
They were monsters. They might not could work that

(50:36):
great, but they were monsters. But yeah, but they they're, they
are huge. And for those people that don't
understand how big these guys are, like even the WWE and
people, even when you say a guy is 6 foot 8 and 310 lbs, that
sounds big. But when you and you stand next
to 6 foot eight, 310 lbs, understand how big that is.

(50:57):
You know like offer the giant when you say 7 foot something
that sounds tall, but until you actually stand and look up at
that dude, you didn't, you understand?
Oh my God. As far as the question how far
ahead of our time, I don't. I believe we were ahead of our
time. I believe we, we, we, I believe
we were born too late. I believe we should have been.

(51:18):
I always said I should have beenborn when my sister was born
because I, you know what I'm saying, The rest of the world
back then, it was sympathy on the little guys.
You had the big bad heel sympathy on the baby faces.
The more selling you did, the over you got.
And I believe I was born too late.
I believe. I mean, honestly, I believe that
because in my whole life, you know, growing up in the rest of

(51:38):
the business, I wished I would have born 10 years earlier so I
could have got that 1980s run, you know what I'm saying?
Would have made mega megabucks in the 80s.
You. See what I'm saying I'm just
saying that I always said I always thought we were I always
thought like we were way too smart and I always just thought
I was I missed my spot. I should have been That's the

(51:59):
way I see it. But as far as to answer your
question, as far as the promoters and the the the way
the wrestling world was and listen, the Andrew Dice Clay is
one of the greatest comedians onour planet.
He sold the Madison Square Gardens out in 1986 with dirty
nursery rhymes. But he went so far ahead of his

(52:19):
time you couldn't say lesbian and whatever.
And he did. And the world just did not know
how to take it. And that's what killed his
career was because he was he wasso far ahead of his time.
He was, but it was comedy and comedy is the truth and the
truth is funny. I mean, honestly, the truth is
funny. And and so as far as I just like

(52:39):
I say, Jed, I don't know. That's a hell of a question, but
I myself don't think I'll. I think I missed my time.
I think I was born too late. Yeah, I think y'all be making
hand over fist now though. I think y'all be making a ton of
money right now too though. If y'all were working in the
scene right now, man, y'all would own AEW.
I'm. Seriously.
That's right. And that's exactly.
Let me tell you something. That's why guys like me and

(53:01):
Wolfie and there's a bunch of about their arc in the wrestling
business, because we wouldn't put up with the way the
wrestling business is now. Right, that makes sense.
My character Jackie Ice and Wolfie D the 2 little rapping
thugs. I would not go out there and do
what this scriptwriter just toldme to do.
Matter of fact, when the first time we went to the WWS, they
told us to do this interview forThe Smoking Guns.

(53:23):
And they stood us in front of a camera and the camera had these
words rolling on it. And it had some words and then
it said wolf, and it had some words.
And then we both said, whoa, whoa, what is that shit right
there? And they said, that's what
you're going to say. And we said, that ain't what
we're going to say. You're going to turn that off
and you're going to tell us how long you want this interview and
watch this. And sure enough, they turned it

(53:43):
off and they said the interviews, it's got to be 90
seconds long. We said hit the camera, bam,
smoking guns, 16 time USW 8 thatyou know what I'm saying?
Because the people up there, they don't know no better.
So they have to have that written form.
But see, here's the thing. In our world, like I said, we
had to sell the same products every week to the same people in

(54:04):
the same building and they know damn good and well JC Ice and
Wolfie D wouldn't have come out there and said what they just
wanted us to say. So we didn't, we didn't say it
where we are. You just when we went to Mexico
and we went to Puerto Rico, whenwe went all over the world, they
said you guys do what you do. We got enough Mexicans, enough
Puerto Ricans and enough whatever we want y'all to do
what y'all do because they they don't, they didn't ever see what

(54:26):
y'all do. You see what I'm saying?
But we've always said you could take our Southern Tennessee
style wrestling anywhere in the planet and it will get over.
But you can't bring all that that other shit to Memphis and
think it'll get over. Ain't going.
Right, right. Exactly.
You don't believe it, you the people aren't going to believe
it and we got to sell it to themevery week or we don't get paid.
So my God, you know what I'm saying?

(54:46):
I believe honestly, every time Italk, I believe what I said.
I honestly believe that I I could beat that dude up no
matter who it was if that if that's what the case was.
You could tell. You could tell.
It was evident, you know. Yeah, I mean, it's like
anything. You could tell that Jelly roll.
Here's what he says he is. He come from the streets of
Nashville. He went to jail.

(55:08):
He did live in a boys home. He did.
And so he gives back to the world and the people that made
him what he is. You know, I'm saying he don't
forget where he came from and he's a real mother and my boy
Easy Jesus, Alan Cole, he's David matter of fact, speaking
the podcast me and easy Jesus isfixing the startup.
Start that. Please start that.

(55:28):
I believe you'll be the one. Listen easy.
My boy has been calling me for two years.
He sent me every bit of equipment we need to start this.
And I'm just the type of guy I'mlike, you know, I don't know
what I'm doing one minute to thenext.
But now I'm slowing down in lies.
And also he's put so much work into it.
I got to do it for my boy. You know what I mean, buddy?
He he just reached me out of nowhere, said Jamie Dundee.

(55:51):
Man, you are a great talker and I think me and you've got
something the world needs to seeit here and let's start this.
So for you, easy my boy, we're going to start this.
We're going to get with Jimmy and we're going to start and
it's going to be called Living Life with Ice and Easy Baby.
I love it. I love it.
That's it. I don't know what we going to
talk about, He don't know what we going to talk about, but we

(56:12):
going to talk about something and those that want to listen.
Mom, what's your better name? My child has a better name.
Oh, she says we should be calledliving life with easy and ice.
Oh, I. Love it, it's awesome.
Living life as easy and ice that's.
Good. I like it, Yeah.
But you, you know it to me, likeI guess, I guess because I grew

(56:34):
up in the entertainment world, Ihave never ever in my life, like
I said, thought I was a * or thought I was better than like,
you know, I never pictured myself.
If someone sends me a message onFacebook, I answer every single
message I ever get in my life because someone is going to take
the time to ask me something. I'm going to take the time to
answer. And I think it's just bullshit.

(56:55):
And they're like Dundee, I can'tbelieve you answered me.
And I go, why can't you believe that?
You ask me a question, Just callFacebook.
It's called Messenger. You ask me a question.
I'm in life. If we're going down the street,
you answered me a question I'm going to answer it for you.
You know what? And it may not be the answer
you're hoping to get, but but I'm going to answer it for you.
And so I did I guess you know, I'm like, I didn't know anybody

(57:17):
would ever care that I know showed them conventions.
You know what I mean? That's when that that was the
first time I ever thought really, but these people are all
mad at me. Whoopi got paid to be there
twice because I didn't show up and the guy's mad at me because
I didn't joke. What was he mad about?
He. Cared.
You know what I mean? I'm like anybody cares.
But now that I know that somebody did care, well then by

(57:40):
God, I'm more than happy to showup.
And I made my wrong right. I went and did the two I was
supposed to do and so I I didn'tknow.
So listen to the world. Y'all be ready.
It's ice and easy, no matter what we call it.
Jaden Starr, Co host and I don'tknow, but we we're going to talk
about shit and it may not be stuff you want to hear.
It may be as they say in the world today, your feelings it.

(58:03):
May be without faith it. May be about politics.
It don't matter because I, I'm not when I'm going to get on
Facebook and I make a post, I never ever go back and read a
comment. You know why?
Because I don't care what anybody else got to say.
I put that most out because that's what I felt and that's
how I feel at that moment. I didn't put that out because I
wanted someone to give me their opinion.

(58:24):
I don't care. I put that out there because
that is how I felt at that moment.
And I sometimes I think it's funny.
Sometimes I think it's, I don't know, racist.
Sometimes I think it's your feelings, but I don't care
because it's called Jamie Dundee's page and if you don't
like it, get off my page. You know it's not.
It's not about y'all. And so I don't know.
I've just always lived my life like that.

(58:46):
I've never ever cared what anybody else said.
Only the only reason I found outwhat people said.
Like New Jack said one time Jamie Dundee said the N word.
He didn't say the N word. Would he live on me?
Well, no, because he was the coke me.
If you go to Rome, you do this. Romans do.
I'm not going to go to Rome and say hey, Roman sucks.
I'm gonna go to Rome and say youRomans are the shit.
Let me get another bump, you know?

(59:07):
You know, it's just and people kill me now.
Now listen, where I live now, I live in the country.
I have rebel flags in my yard. I'm not a racist, bar none am I
racist. But those people that say Jamie
Dundee is a racist, good. Because I don't want you mother
coming around my house and she did.
I want people to to ride by my house and say that's where that
crazy racist wrestler lives. And then they if they come out

(59:30):
my yard, they would see my boy. I have a lot of black kids in my
family. I have a lot of nieces and
nephews that are black and I don't even Australia, we don't
even have a black and white racist thing.
I learned that in America. I learned these words in
America. I was raised in America since I
was 4, but I was raised by two Australians and they don't know
nothing about that. Our black people are Aborigines.

(59:51):
They still live in the jungle, they still climb trees and they
still hunt and they get water off roots and they do tribal
things. Well, Soviets, you know, but but
I mean this in America. America is such an how can I say
this without offending any? Well, I don't even care about
offending anybody. America is such a bullshit.
It's kind of like this, McMahon.It's so phony and so bullshit

(01:00:12):
that they think money can buy everything and take care of
everything. And then when the truth comes
out, it's all oh, woe with me, poor me that man, man up and
take what's coming to you. Do I still loving it and color
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(01:01:18):
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links to everything thing associated to the podcast.
You can go to uswapodcast.com. That was another great episode.

(01:02:04):
Hey Wolfie, tell them where theycan find you on social media.
Jimmy, they can find me in the club bottle full above.
I'm just kidding. They can find me on Facebook.
My personal page is Warren Wolf W LFE.
I'm on Instagram at Warren Wolf.13 You can always find us on
Facebook, Twitter, Instagram andYouTube at live Wolfie D Here's
the thing Wolfie always has offers for his autographed

(01:02:26):
photos. He has a selection of some
awesome photos from throughout his career that he will
autograph and personal any way that you want him to.
Just contact him either directlyat his personal Facebook page or
through anyone of our other pages, and we'll make sure you
get in contact directly with Wolfie.
Get those photos right, Wolfie? Yeah, I've got some good stuff
on there, you know, to help withthe podcast.

(01:02:46):
Folks, if you can't get out to ashow to meet Wolfie D, there's
nothing like that, especially for the fans of PG13 and Wolfie
D. And before we go, you can always
find me your host, Jimmy Street at James Rock St. on Twitter,
Instagram and YouTube. And hey, Jimmy, before we go
real quick, I just I want to addin there from the bottom of my
heart, I really appreciate firstof all the work you've done for

(01:03:08):
this podcast. You have worked your butt off.
Secondly, the people that are liking the page.
Beyond that even more is the people that are listening and we
really. Appreciate that.
Yeah. And remember, guys, the podcast
drops a new episode every Mondayat noon and our past episodes
are streaming now on demand on all major podcast format.
Thanks again. Yeah.

(01:03:29):
PG. 13 Memphis Wrestling Hall ofFame Classic 2024 Give it up.
Spaceman Jones with the beat. Here we go.
The 90s was ours and we did it with Ride 15 times that chance.
What a hell of a ride. Rock'n'roll couldn't beat us.
So Talian Doug Not Smothers, Dirty white boy who called

(01:03:51):
themselves thugs. Tears for terrible, H for hell
PG Both got locked up the countyin jail.
The kid was real, and if we wereimmature moms, Buddy Wayne
couldn't stand us because we didn't wear Trump.
We did it our way in and out of the ring.
Bought a real rap swagger to theMemphis thing.

(01:04:11):
You can hate it. You can love it.
We just did our thing. Feel true to the game now.
We all love fame. Busy 13.
Put respect on our name. Yeah.

(01:04:40):
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