Evolving the Airwaves: What Ham Radio Could Become

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right.
Ever wonder if you know hamradio actually iterated on, you
know their designs or maybe,like you know, your club is
suffering and you know you coulddo something with technology
that might make their lifeeasier?
Well, hey, we're going to talkabout that next.
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Speaker 2 (00:53):
Hey, it's N1OG.
It's Paul the Grouch.
It's.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Todd WSTJ, the general.

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Sorry, todd, I didn't mean to throw you off there.
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We have a one feedback messageand I'm going to roll the bean

(04:55):
footage there.
Why am I not on the button?

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Roll that beautiful bean footage.
Ladies and gentlemen, can Iplease have your attention?
I've just been handed an urgentand horrifying news story.
Everybody, we got some news.
Slow down, boog, let me handlethis.
We've got some news, I've gotbad news, and bad news.
I have reviewed ship'spersonnel Captain.
Congratulations, you've gotmail.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
In the mailbox there, but Paul has got a win link
message that, uh, he's sogracious going to share with us.
Uh, go ahead and take it away,sir all right.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
So, uh, win link message comes from kilo delta
nine yankee sierra whiskey andhe writes hey, I'm going to try
and send out a win link email tothis group every week.
It will keep everybody in theloop, other than discord and
other Internet spots.

(05:53):
This week I was trying.
Oh no, I'm sorry.
This week was trying for me,both antenna-wise and, well,
personal.
I will be trying to make somevehicle trips this year and I
would like to get to theNortheast and a trip south to

(06:16):
Texas.
We will see what happens.
Radio is the only thing keepingme sane.
7.3, kilo Delta nine Yankeesyrup whiskey, chris.
And I just want to say, chris,I feel your pain, brother, like
I've 100%, 100% feel your painand, yes, radio keeps me sane.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yep.
Thanks for the thanks for thewind link.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, definitely, chris.
We appreciate you sending those.
We'll look forward to nextweek's message.
We're going to keep you on thehook for that because we'd love
to hear from you, even if thethat's the one way.
But yeah, chris, you're ahundred percent.
You always got to all of ushere at live free and ham.
You know, like I said, paul'shung out with you and got the
the the great opportunity to beable to do an eyeball QSO with
you.
So, yeah, don't feel like youcan't reach out to any one of us

(07:05):
.
I've done plenty of POTUS withmany new hams and folks that
have reached out to me and I'vehad some really good
relationships and I try to stayin touch with everybody I come
in contact with because, youknow, heck, radio is one way to
communicate but yeah, heck,we're all human too, so let's
definitely each other on the upand up sort of that.
So, yeah, good luck with that,chris.

(07:25):
Hopefully things get better andwe will be rooting for you and
we'll definitely be with youalong the way.
So keep getting those fivenines.
Awesome.
With that we're going to diveinto.
Oh, we're doing the Liffrey andHamstead.
I'm going to touch base on thatBecause I had one person ask me
if, like that was true.
Yes, paul has on his knuckles,live free in a tattooed.

(07:49):
Uh, we did not pay him to dothat.
We did not ask him to do that.
This is something he did on hisown accord.
Um, it just happens to be thatit's just the coolest thing on
the planet.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Again.
So it was like kind of like amatch made in heaven.
So, yeah, that that is not.
Oh yeah, and what a Christ Idid it to, uh, I don't know
eight, eight years or so, Ithink, before, before I joined
the podcast.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
So so there you go.
You already knew way before itwas going to happen.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
It's on his toes.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
It says and ham for an extra a hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
I might go, go, go, go, go view my only hams to see
my fate and my feet, oh boy,okay, all right moving on what
will he do next.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
So the life of a power, life of life of a
skydiver, all right.
So with that we're going todive into something that was a
little bit more comfortable here.
It is everyone's favoritesegment.
And now a little somethingextra with Todd W1STJ Still a

(09:04):
general the button there.
That would be helpful if Iactually hit the right one there
.
So cool.
Well, you've heard it here.
You know.
This is our awesome episodewhere we help Todd study for his
extra class license.
We, the Vs, paul and I, in eachepisode we help Todd study for

(09:25):
his extra class license.
We, the VEs, paul and I in eachepisode we pick three questions
.
Actually, paul really does.
I just kind of sit back andtake all the credit.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
You are a VE now.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
I am now right.
I have the same blame too.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
I don't know about that.
You might want to have him takethe test again.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Go ahead, fine, I'll just use the internet again,
like I did before.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
Maybe we should change that.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Do less of an open book and then you'll have less
VEs, I guarantee it.
So if you haven't paidattention, this is your first
time with this episode.
This is where we pick threequestions for us to test Todd on
his extra class knowledge tohopefully get his upgrade.
So you can always follow along.
You can head over tohamstudyorg.
It's an awesome resource.
We promote it because we use ithere on this show.

(10:09):
Obviously it tests Todd, but wehave recommended to anybody
who's doing the tests to gettheir next or first upgrade, and
everybody I talked to at thatVE session that I did over the
past weekend guess what?
They used Hamstudyorg, they allknow.
So with that, let's hand thisoff to our wonderful VE quiz
master.
Go ahead, paul, take it away.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
All right, todd, so we are doing all the sub
elements and this question,question number one, comes from
sub element number one, so youmay remember it from way back
when Turning up the way backmachine.
The question is what is a spacetelecommand station?

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Is it A an amateur stationlocated in a satellite or a
balloon more than 50 kilometersabove the surface of the Earth?
Is it B an amateur station thatreceives telemetry from a
satellite or balloon more than50 kilometers above the surface

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of the Earth?
Is it C an amateur stationlocated on the surface of the
Earth for communication withother Earth stations by means of
Earth satellites.
Or is it D an amateur stationthat transmit communications to

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initiate, modify or terminatefunctions of a space station?
The question again what is aspace telecommand station?

Speaker 3 (12:00):
I'm going to go with B.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
I'm going to go with B.
It's not B.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
I know it's D.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
You know it's not B.
I know it's not B because it'sin the name of the device.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
What.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Telecommand what telecommand communicates,
transmits yeah, it's not justreceives.
But yes, I I'm going to go withD alright.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Well, Todd said B as his final answer, which is
incorrect.
Eric said D, which is correctAn amateur station that
transmits communications toinitiate, modify or terminate
the functions of a space station.

(13:05):
So so, for your insiderinformation, a telecommand
station, bolded, is an amateurradio station that transmits
communications to initiate,modify or terminate the
functions of a space station.
Your tip the only answer thatcontains of a space station.

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Your tip, the only answer thatcontains the word space station.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Alright, the figures.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Figures Damn it.
So question number two, todd Infigure E6-3,.
As you see, what is thethematic symbol for the not
operation?
Number two, b number six, cnumber five or D number four.

(14:10):
This is again the schematicsymbol for a not operation.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
It's either two or four, so a or d?
Um.
Let me see the picture again.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
I'm gonna go with two uh, the picture five kind of
sits with me.
So whatever number five is, butI have no clue.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Alright, so five is C .

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Okay, alright, so.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Todd said two, which is A.
That is incorrect.
Eric, you said five, which is C, and that is correct.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Yes, I guess.
Well, so all right, I rememberthat is because everything in
schematics most of the time aretriangles when it comes to knots
.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
But just how that might recap so if you look at
the figure, okay, number one isan AND gate, number two is an
AND gate, number three is an ORgate, number four is a NOR gate,

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number five is the NOT gate andnumber six is most similar to
an amplifier.
So the hint here is the notgate is the only one that has
one input and one output.
The not gate inverses the input.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Sure, maybe that'll help you remember there, todd or
it's the only one with atriangle yeah, or like all your
NAND gates, always like see howthe schematic symbol looks like
a D.
That's how I remember the NANDstyle of things.
So when they say NOR or NOT,it's either 4 or 5 most of the

(16:22):
time, but that's just how Iforce myself to memorize it.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
All right, todd, listen, you're over two, let's
not strike out completely.
Question number three when istrans-equatorial propagation
most likely to occur?
Is it A Between pointsseparated by 2,000 to 3,000

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miles over a path perpendicularto the geomagnetic equator?
Is it B Through the regionwhere the terminator crosses the
geographic equator?
C between points located 1,500miles to 2,000 miles apart on

(17:17):
the geomagnetic equator.
Or is it D between pointslocated at each other's antipode
?
Okay, that's a fancy word.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Which I have no idea what it means.
I'm just going to Google thatone.
I don't Google it, no, I'mgoing to Google the word
antipode, because I'm like whatthe hell is that word?
Okay, I'll give you the answerafter.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
AI All right.
Final answer Todd.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
What air pick.
You have to pick first.
I picked a.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Oh okay, then I'm gonna go b all right so todd
today it's a or c, I think it'sa is correct.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
So to give give an explanation for our listeners,
trans-equatorial propagation isa mode of radio wave propagation
that occurs when signals travelover long distances.
By reflecting off theionosphere near the equator,

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this allows for communicationbetween points on opposite sides
of the equator.
So trans-equatorial propagationtypically occurs over distances
of 2,000 to 3,000 miles,because that distance is the
typical skip zone or the areaunder the path where the signal
takes.
The propagation path is usuallyperpendicular to the

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geomagnetic equator.
This alignment with thegeomagnetic equator maximizes
the ionospheric reflection,enabling effective long distance
communication.
So there you have it.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
There you go.
Well, and antipode all thatmeans is it's the opposite of
from where you're currentlylocated on the globe, it's the
other side, all the way around.
So it's like, literally, youstart from your point the
farthest way around until youget to your back point.
That's antipode, or what thedefinition antipode means.
Fine, okay, long path Close.

(19:47):
Yeah, I guess Probably Allright.
Well, yeah, with that, I gottwo and Todd got one.
I don't know what does thatmean?

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Two out of three ain't bad.
There we go Not bad.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Two out of three ain't bad, not bad.
Yeah, I that's for not studyingat all and only going from
memory, so I'm obviously not toofar into my beer.
So that's probably what's uh,you know, got me to where I'm at
.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Can't this?
He can't know.
Mr einstein over here cannotknow the difference between
handing out a general test.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
I didn't hand out the test.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
You labeled them.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
I did, but I didn't pick the people.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Somehow all the blame gets put on Eric.
I don't understand, but okay,that's fine, I'll take the blame
.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
I'm just going to go.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
My fellow nerds and I will retire to the nerdery with
our calculators.
You weren't the one who.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
I'm just going to go, my fellow nerds and I will
retire to the nerdery with ourcalculators, did you?
You weren't the one who passedit out, though, were you no?

Speaker 1 (20:49):
no, and I, I, yeah.
I have no idea who actuallyhanded it out.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
I just know that, after the fact that they handed
out the wrong one, Listen, todd,just to clarify so that you
fully understand and you cansleep at night.

(21:12):
The only task that Eric wastasked with was to bring the
materials that I asked him tobring and do registration and
collect money.
That is what I asked of Eric.
That was his only job and hedid it, and he did it well, I
had the minimum number of flair.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
That's all I have to say.
All right, well, with that, youknow, if you're on the journey
to studying for your techniciangeneral extra class license,
then hamstudyorg is an awesomeresource for getting that ticket
.
And, as we always say everyepisode, if you've recently
received your license or you gotupgraded, we want to know, we'd
like to recognize you on thenext episode for your hard work

(21:46):
and effort.
You got your Watson programsound now.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Must be somebody walking by the RV.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Watson must have got upgraded already.
He wants to be recognized, soall good there.
So, yeah, we actually have acouple things, because I was at
that VE session that we've beenreferring to.
We actually had a couple oftest, new technicians I don't
have their names with me infront of her, but three of those
folks came in person, took thetest, all got their technicians.

(22:15):
So congratulations, guys.
Looking forward to hopefullyseeing your call signs out there
and making some contactslocally with them.
There was one story, real quick, with one of the girls there
who a husband and wife team camein.
He came in to get his generaltest and she passed the
technician.
And I asked her when she cameup at the very end I'm like,
okay, I always ask this toeverybody why are you getting

(22:38):
your technician license and whatdo you think the first answer
was Because my husband told meto.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Exactly right that think the first answer was
Because my husband told me to.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Exactly Right, that was the exact answer.
And then I was like she musthave saw my face.
I was like, oh, okay, hopefully.
And then she's like, no, no, no.
My family in where she used togrow up, her grandfather must
have had his ham radio ticket.
And she's like, when I foundout from my grandmother that she
had it, she had all thispaperwork and his ham radio
ticket.
And she's like, when I foundout from my grandmother that she
had, and she had all thispaperwork.

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And I said to her you know, youmight want to try to get his
vanity call as your call,because it's very possible to do
that and she was like no way.
And I'm like, yeah, if you knowwhat the call is and someone
hasn't picked it up, you can putthat request in for that.
So you know, definitely, figureout what that is.
And if you need some help, youknow ping me or anybody and then
we'll.
We'll guide you through thatprocess.
But that'd be really cool tocarry on your grandfather's call

(23:28):
if you could definitely do that.
And so she was super excitedwhen she left.
But, yeah, all of those folkspassed.
We had four there and four ofthem passed and one upgraded.
So that was awesome or sorry.
Three of them passed and oneupgraded.
But, uh, as we alluded and youmight have seen a couple of
videos on my channel uh, when Idid an activation down at uh

(23:49):
marconi's park with chris, uh,whiskey eight uh, cjl um, and we
hung out and his son parker, Igave him uh, and I gave his dad
an antenna and told him hey, ifyou study for your uh technician
exam and pass, that antenna isyours and that's going to be the
buddy pole pro.
Well, chris, uh, you know,called me like I think they

(24:10):
ended up having to reschedulethe first test for whatever
reason because they were doingit online.
So they rescheduled it.
He took it, um, and you know,chris called me and I'm like,
hey, chris, what's going on?
Because I know we were going totry to make was coming up this
way to Miller State Park for thefamily vacation and we were
going to try to do an activationthis past weekend.
It didn't work out.
But he was just like, yeah,parker's got something to say to

(24:32):
you and handed me the phone.
Parker's like I got my test, Igot my technician, and I'm like,
no frickin way, that's awesome.
So you know, he's got his call.
It's Kilo Charlie 1, yankeeAlpha Echo.
So congratulations, parker.
I've also been talking to acouple of guys in our club.
We had a.
We've got something kind ofbrewing in the background.
I don't want to release itquite yet, but I'll be in touch

(24:54):
with you because we've got aninteresting thing that I want to
send your way, just as kind ofa way to keep you involved in
the hobby.
So keep an eye on that one.
I'll reach out to you soon.
So yeah, congratulations,parker.
And, just like Parker, guys, ifyou've gotten your ticket
upgrade anyone of the you know,or maybe you've gotten your
technician for the first time,send us an email.
We'd love to share, you know,your excitement with everybody

(25:16):
there.
Because I have to tell you,dude, going to that VE test and
watching all those people panicbut at the same time, you know,
be super strong and pass theirexam, and then realize all of
the blood draining back intotheir face after they realized
they passed, is an awesomefeeling to see.
Like, I mean, there's a littlepower trip there a little bit,
but at the same time, you know,it's like a hey, this is really

(25:37):
cool, welcome to the hobby, kindof thing, and so, and so, yeah,
if you've never done, I mean wegive.
Well, at least Todd has, atthis point he's ready to, you
know, wipe out the whole VEorganization, you know, tomorrow
and start fresh.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
You know it's a good.
Now you understand howrewarding of an experience it is
to actually be a VE.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
It is dude.
There's nothing more rewardingto see somebody like take all
that time, energy and effort andthen, you know, get the result
that they did.
Uh, especially folks that likeeven surprised you.
They're like, hey, I'll takethe upgrade, you know, and they
pass that too.
And it's just like man, Iremember when I did it I
struggled like a curse you, butcongratulations anyway.
So, yeah, dude, it's, it'sawesome.

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So Parker actually told me he'sworking on his general too.
So, um, you know, with that, uh, yeah, keep keep plugging away
there.
Parker would love to hear onthe air.
I uh, you know when.
I'm sure he'll probably becoming with a 24 hour photo,
because Chris has already, uh,booked a spot.
So, uh, looking forward toseeing early morning.

(26:40):
You know, kind of guys takingthose shifts for all of us old
timers who can't, you know, stayup later than one.
Um, you know, to cover allthose extra hours.
So there we go, all right.
So with that, let's roll intoour usuals.
Um, so, with that, uh, you know, over to you.
Uh, paul.
Uh, how is your hemorrhoid weekbeen, my friend?

Speaker 2 (27:09):
week been my friend, uh, well, all right.
So my ham radio week, uh, wasvery light on ham radio, but, um
, I did, I did work a little bitmore on uh, configuring my ham
dashboard.
Um, dude, listen, I'm a dummy.
Okay, like I, I was a grunt fora reason.
Give me a rifle and a rucksackand send me on my way.
But I'm learning and, thanks tothe help of ChatGPT, I'm getting

(27:35):
some help with the Linux stuff.
But I've almost got it dialedin to where my ham dashboard is,
exactly the way that I want itfor my current location.
And then what I'm going to dois I'm going to create separate
ham dashboards for wherever I amin different parts of the
country, so that it showsrelevant information for those

(27:56):
different locations.
But, yeah, I mean.
So, listen, I'm starting tolearn Linux.
Uh, it's a whole new world forme, and so, um, no, no different
than than than skydiving, whereit is an eternal learning

(28:16):
process.
Ham radio is the exact same way.
It is an internal learningprocess, and so every day that
I'm learning something new, I'mI'm happy and I consider it as
success.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
So, Very cool, dude.
That's awesome.
Yeah, I, I do it for my job.
I know Lennox Well, I, I, Iunderstand some of the you know
stress and pains, but it'sreally good and really flexible
and really, you know, um, youknow, intuitive.

(28:48):
Once you understand thelanguage, which you know, you'd
sound like you're getting yourhands, uh, in your head, wrapped
around it.
Um, you know, and it was justone more kind of tool in the
toolkit and, uh, you know, it'dbe really cool.
So that's awesome.
Yeah, yeah, well, I want to seesome of that.
You're going to do a freakingvideo on it, because I want to
see some of these breakouts ofthe you know dashboard, because
all I have is the geocron in theback and that thing, you know
it runs and does its thing, but,uh, you know, at the same time,
I was thinking at the same timeputting a smaller screen down
below it that would, uh, youknow, be that you know ham clock

(29:10):
with the customized dashboards,with weather and and, uh, you
know, cameras and stuff likethat.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
But yeah, so, once, once I, um, once I finish
figuring out the work around togetting um websites that don't
like to load in an iframe toload in the iframe.
Um then, yeah, I'll, I'll, 100%Like I'll, I'll, I'll share
that knowledge with everybody.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Sweet, awesome, okay, well, no, no traditional radio,
but still ham radio stuff,awesome stuff, all right.
Well, with that over to you,todd, what's your ham radio week
been like, if at all?

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Well, Todd's been doing some programming.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Yes, yes, yeah, I've been programming my new radio.
I'm hopefully installing ittomorrow.
Okay, I am off tomorrow.
I got to bring my son tobasketball camp, I got to get
some blood work and then that'smy goal.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
So give me a holler If you need some help.
I will probably be free.
That one would be an afternoonfor you.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
All right, come on over Okay.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
And and feel, feel free to feel free to give me a
shout too, and you know, we'lllike, we'll do a remote session.
There you can make fun of himthe whole time video chat so
that I can make fun of you andjust give you shit hey, todd,
wrong side of the screwdriver.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Todd, no, you don't use that end of the drill.
It would be a little bit easierif you used a fish fish tape,
todd.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
no, you don't use that into the drill, it would be
a little bit easier if you useda fish tape.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
All right, yeah, so that's basically about it.
I've really got to get it intomy Jeep.
I've been looking at things andkind of planning out in my head
programming the radio and stuff.
Did you get any further withthe buttons, the aux buttons and
everything?
Well, I was trying to look aton my phone but my eyes suck and
I couldn't read the freakingpdf.

(31:14):
So, oh, I gotta pull it.
I gotta pull it.
I have the thing in the car butI'm gonna pull it up on the.
When we're done with this I'mgonna pull it up on the screen
so I can, uh, at least see it,because I couldn't see it
yesterday.
But yeah, the plan is isthere's some aux button, so I
think I can somehow connect itto that and use that as the on
off button.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
So everything else is back on the air.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yeah, everything else is ready to go.
I the antenna will be.
That'll be the first thing I'llinstall and wire, and then it
will just be the you know, thewire for the radio.
But it shouldn't be as hard asI mean I've already.
We already did it once, so Ikind of know how it's going to
go.
So we'll see.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
And then you'll be able to get on the repeater and
go CQ, CQ, CQ.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
No, I don't do that anymore, no, no, no.
They that anymore, no, no.
They all been missing you onfour mountain repeater.
My friend, I know anthony'slike where have you been?

Speaker 1 (32:09):
I'm like dude, I've been off at this point I'm tired
of, like you know, makingexcuses for todd because I'm
like he's had time to put hisradio in his car.
It's not like he doesn't wantto talk to you guys.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
I mean, I was gonna I was gonna do it today but, um,
my lawnmower blades were shot,so I had to go to Lowe's to get
lawnmower blades and thenthere's like two people working
there and half theself-checkouts weren't working.
So the lines were huge.
So I'm sitting there wastingtime.

(32:37):
Then I had to come home and Idid mulch yesterday, or at least
half of it, and I couldn't evensleep last night.
I was up till four in themorning.
I couldn't sleep.
My back and and forearms werekilling me.
So I'm like, fuck, I am so outof shape.
So I, uh, so I slept into like10, did that cut, finally, got
the blades, crank those thingson because there's two of them

(33:00):
uh, cut the grass and then Ifinished the mulch, undid a bed
in our guest room that we'regiving away because we're
putting, uh, zach's bed in thereand zach's getting a, a double
bed or queen size bed.
So did that and, um, jumped inthe pool, came home, had a
someone's leftover salad theynever ate, that they bought for

(33:24):
dinner and, uh, here I am Onlylife of a bachelor or
maintenance, maintenance man,it's just all you know it just
sucks Cause.
I mean, I'll tell you right now,the best thing I've ever bought
for my house and has made mylife so much easier is my
Polaris Ranger.
I will recommend that vehiclefor anyone that lives in the

(33:46):
northeast or anywhere there'ssnow or if you have to spread
mulch, because it's kind of likea dump truck thing in the back,
you fill the thing up with themulch, you drive over, you drop
it down, zach spread and that'show it works.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Why not just get a Kubota?

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Well, what like a tractor?

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah, yeah.
So then you could have, thenyou could have the bucket and
you could have the backhoe.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
All right.
Well, see now that now I wouldnow again.
If I could do it over again orif I had a farm, I probably
would get a tractor.
But the Ranger has been awesomeand I did a lot of research
when I did buy it, cause it'sit's probably like five or six
years old now.
When I did buy it I went andchecked all of them John Deere,

(34:36):
katana, everyone that I couldfind around here and the only
one that is really good for snowplowing has the power is the
Polaris, like most of them onlydo 30.
This thing will max out at 50.
It's scary as shit, like at 50miles an hour on the road on
knobby tires.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
It's not very safe but you don't need 50 miles an
hour.
What do you get into a fire?

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah, it has that power.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
I'm going to speed plow my driveway but that thing
is plowed Like seriously, it isplowed like two feet of wet,
sloppy snow and it just handlesit and it does it.
And then I that's all I thoughtI was going to be using it for.
But now, like the mulching,dragging shit from the shed to
the deck, you know anythinggoing to get like my mother

(35:28):
needs something.
I just bring that thing out andcruise down a road to.
You know she lives two housesdown.
Drop something off for her, gopick something up.
It sounds like more.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
You need to do a little bit more walking.
But you know, whatever you didsay you were out of shape
earlier.
Might want to start there.
Just a suggestion, my friend, Idon't know.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
I can start walking circle of trust here.
It a suggestion, my friend.
I don't know I can startwalking Circle of trust here.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
It's just, I mean, I, I don't know why you want to
rush down to your mom's house soquickly.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yeah, well, she has a huge hill or driveway is a
fricking nightmare, so but, likeI said, it was a good
investment and you know, if itwasn't so damn loud, I'd put a
ham radio in it, but it's soloud and since we're going to be
talking about technology, thisis one of the things that I was
thinking about.
That would be really helpful.
You plan on putting it on yourlawnmower.

(36:18):
No Well, we'll get into it whenwe get into it, but for now I'm
going to ask you, Eric, whatdid you do this week for ham?

Speaker 1 (36:23):
radio All right.
Well, yeah, I'm trying to think, man, did I get any real ham
radio in this week?
I said a lot that I wanted todo it, but I don't think I
actually did.
This is one of those things.
This whole week was freakingcluster.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Well, hold on, hold on, Eric.
You're totally forgetting,right Dude?
You started a whole new weeklystream.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Oh, yeah, yeah where do you talk about ham?
radio I true, well, potaspecifically.
But yeah, thank you, Iappreciate the, the honest plug
there.
My friend I uh, yeah, I did.
I think I did mention it lastweek when, uh, we started that
was the first episode and yeah,week two, uh, you know a pretty
good you know a crowd I'm I'mlearning that live stream is
pretty fun.

(37:11):
It's definitely one of thosethings that you definitely got
to get a little bit moreprepared and pull all the right
levers.
But everyone's pretty goodabout it.
We talked about POTA this weekand primarily all of the
questions.
I went through Reddit, I wentthrough the Dumpster Fire
Facebook group for POTA, I wentthrough the Discord, just

(37:35):
pulling all the typicalquestions.
You see all the newbies come inand post and then everybody
does the eye roll and then goesdidn't you consult?
Blah, blah, blah, and then theysort of lighten up the load a
little bit and answer theperson's question.
So we tore into that.
It was pretty cool, you know.
I think we kind of came toconsensus.
It'd be kind of cool to puttogether an ebook of all this

(37:57):
stuff.
So people are contributing somegood stuff there and so we'll
we'll start building upon thatone.
So it would kind of be the whatI'll call the Holy Bible, or at
least the complete Bible ofPOTA.
So, you know, if you're new ham, you can, you know, basically
consult everything in it andwe'll just make it community
focused so everybody can updateit and it'll be a cool resource.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
So how many Now hold on?
Can we all get you knowpublishing rights on the POTA
Bible?
Oh yeah, dude Right.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, if you contribute, you know, as long as
you get like a legitcontribution, you know, and you
want to put in, then yeah, we'lldefinitely give you the rights.
I mean, it will probably be abook and a half of its own of
all the people that contributed.
But at the same time, yeah,dude, this is a community effort
.
I don't want to own it, I'llmaintain it and help, you know,
folks, you know, continue tokeep it running.

(38:45):
But I think it would be a goodresource for folks because, yeah
, I don't know how many timeswe've run into it I always go to
do, you know, uh, show, uh umpresentations and stuff at clubs
and I always get the you know,what do I have to do to get into
POTA, how do I become a hunter,you know, and all those things
and everything in between.
So, you know, having somethinglike that, a resource wise, it
sounded like, uh, it was a goodeffort.

(39:05):
So we'll keep plugging away onthat one.
But yeah, here's a little tidbitFor those that like a little
drama.
That Sunday morning thing isgoing to be about a little drama
.
We're going to dive into someof the underbelly topics, so
like when we talk about the pooractivators who are jackholes
and decide to pad their.
You know all their activationsand really not you know, and you

(39:29):
kind of just talk around thatstuff and you know share,
because I it's funny, it'sShannon was on there Casey went
TOI and she was sharing how shehad a similar experience and I
said, yeah, we got a wholeepisode that we're going to talk
all about that stuff.
So if you're interested,exactly All right WTF.
So, yeah, we'll, we'll call itthat episode.

(39:49):
So, yeah, I guess, yeah, thatwas fun.
That's what happened thismorning today.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
How many people did you have on?

Speaker 1 (39:56):
At that time I had 14 .
So the previous one was 7.
So it's growing.
I know it's growing.
So yeah, dude, I didn't see anyof you guys, but I figured you
guys were all sleeping in.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Oh dude, uh, I apologize for that I was
sleeping in I was definitely not.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
I was up at 6 am, you were you were probably jumping
at that point, trying to work onyour what your b license.
Now, is that what you'reworking for now?
Yeah, so so there you go, soyou're off the hook.
It's todd that.
I think you were sleeping, butat the same time, I sleeping.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
I was up till four in the morning.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
I see enough for you guys.
So you're good, no problemsthere.
But yeah, it was fun.
So I was supposed to do anactivation with Parker and Chris
.
They were coming up this wayfor the weekend to stay at
Miller state park.
I had some conflict in thefamily schedule that just didn't
let me break break free.
But parker, uh, he posted in ourdiscord.
He said he actually activatedthe park, uh, or didn't activate

(40:52):
under his own call, his dad.
He helped his dad do a butt tonut.
Uh, you know um contact so theycould put themselves over to
get the.
You know 10 or 12 contacts thatthey need to activate the park
uh, but uh, he got his onecontact so I encourage him to
upload to.
Uh, you know, poda, even thoughit was a failed activation for
him, it's still an activation,so it's good to get that in the

(41:12):
logs.
And yeah, he's, he's having ablast.
So, uh, you know, good for him.
And then good to see that, uh,you know father, son are doing

(41:34):
some cool stuff with POTA.
Yeah, it must have been sundayand I was like oh, where did you
?

Speaker 2 (41:36):
activate because there's a secret watering hole
that a certain and when og goesto all the time and I he didn't
get back to me on where he was,but uh, yeah, well, it sounded
like.
So.
The the funny part of that ishe, he dm me a picture, right,
and he goes, hey, guess whereI'm activating?
And I knew because, looking atthe water and looking at the
rock that's in the water, I waslike I know that spot, I'm like
I know that spot, like yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
So he found it Awesome Good.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Well, I guess.
So what he said was about, youknow, like 20 plus or so years
ago, when he was in high school,years ago, when it was not cool
, like that was the spot to go,you know, hang out and party and
go fish and do whatever and soI was like, well, it's a great
radio spot too.
So I'm glad I got out there and, uh, activated my favorite spot

(42:23):
cool.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah, elon, had your throat there a little bit, but
you're back, all right, awesome,yeah.
So if I knew he's going to beover in that neck of the woods,
I, you know, elon, how did yourthroat there a little bit, but
you're back All right, awesome,yeah.
So if I knew he was going to beover in that neck of the woods,
I, you know well not thatMiller state park is not that
far away from there either way.
So, you know, I wish I couldhave broke away.
Sunday would have been a betterday, but I didn't know he was
going to activate on Sunday.
So, yeah, bummer to that, butactivated and and uh, yeah, it

(42:47):
was good for him to, uh, youknow, experience New Hampshire
in in the POTA world, so goodstuff.
I heard he struggled a lotbecause, uh, he had, uh, we had
that impending storm rollthrough here with a lot of
thunder, crashes and stuff.
So he was like constantlybattling all that back and forth
and I'm like our map going.
I don't know should I go?
Should I go convince the wifeotherwise?

(43:08):
So that you know, the weatherkind of turned me the other way.
So but hey, yeah, you stuck itup, man, keep it going awesome,
all right.
So yeah, outside of that, uh,yeah, that was my ham radio week
, so yeah, let's kind of diveinto, uh, you know, our
tonight's topic.
We touched on it a little bit,um, but one of the things kind
of sparked my thought about thistopic was kind of from our ve

(43:32):
session that I did on saturday.
Now I had some conversationswith a few older gentlemen in
our ve team and they were superlike excited and enthralled with
the whole ve and exam tools andjust how simple it was and in
comparison to how they spenthours and hours doing all of
their ve testing as a labor oflove kind of thing and and all

(43:52):
the errors that it, you know,basically eliminates.
And I was like I can't tell youhow many times I've had those
conversations and it's like weas hams don't always think how
can we take something andimprove upon it or make it
better or stop doing it in theway that it's taking so long
because we forget that we dothis because we started as a

(44:13):
labor of love or we did itbecause it was something fun and
we saw the reward out of it.
That in turn it became a slogand we just continue to do it
this way over and over again,and this kind of goes across all
areas of of ham radio, and Ithink you know that's a small
example.
Another simple example is likehow many times do we have radio
manufacturers put out the samerough radio but they provide

(44:36):
features and upgrades that arelike why aren't you making our
lives easier?
Like why aren't youimplementing like smart things
to like make all theconversation we just had earlier
with todd talking aboutprogramming channels and stuff
like that why can't you makesomething intelligent that uses
Bluetooth to go to the web, topull down where you're at by
location with GPS that's alreadybuilt into a radio, kind of

(44:58):
thing?
That's what we're talking abouttonight.
What creature comforts that wehave in our radios today or
features that we would love tosee.
That makes things better.
It doesn't even have to beradios.
It could be like clubactivities, like simple thing
for me like why don't clubs stopaccepting checks and cash these
days?
Like I get it, but at the sametime it makes things so much

(45:19):
easier for the people that haveto manage all of that stuff to
be able to, you know, have todeal with, you know, the passing
of hands and all this stuff.
Just make it simple Everybodyjust pay for your credit card,
for your dues, and be done withit.
Do it automatic like everyother subscription service that
we're all tied ourselves to forthe rest of our lives.
That kind of stuff that caughtme thinking and so I threw it
out to the guys here and said,hey, come up with some stuff,

(45:42):
because we definitely would loveto see some of those ideas and
maybe, if you're one of thosetinkerers you know it might
spark you to think about doingsomething like that.
So, all right, who wants tostart?
Todd, you sounded like you knowyou had a couple there.
You know, let's go with you.
You know what were you thinkingin terms of around that
ideology and whatnot.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Well, one of the things that I mean, like
Bluetooth right off the bat.
Like yesu has kind of a, well,they used to have a bluetooth
thing but it only worked withtheir headset their headset,
which to me is just the big futo their people, like, why not

(46:24):
just make it bluetooth for everyany headset, because your
headset really sucks and there'sa lot better ones out there and
I can't use any other ones.
Or a bluetooth speaker, whichwould be make life easier for in
the car.
I mean, now that they've the510 and the 500 have speakers,
you know, built into the head,which is cool, but all their

(46:47):
other radios don't.
So bluetooth would be awesome.
I was talking earlier about theplayer or stranger with the
things kind of loud, so it wouldbe cool to have I put a radio
in there.
Um, if it had bluetooth,because I have to wear these
headphones or these earpiecesthat are noise canceling just
because the thing's so damn loudand I like to listen to

(47:09):
podcasts or listen to the um,you know, like today I was
listening to baseball games andstuff while I was working.
So if a ham radio had bluetooth, it would make.
It would just open up a lot ofdifferent things and people
could use um and be able to evenconnect your.
You know, with the bluetoothyou'd be able to connect your
ham radio right to your,probably your car speakers, and

(47:31):
you might be able to even um,you know, you know, even have an
app for it to you know, like oncar player.
What does google use?
Google car, android auto,android auto right like almost
every car now has that builtinto it any newer car that you
get.
So that would be kind of coolto be able to, to be able to

(47:54):
connect to something like that.
And so I mean that's just mythought.
I mean I don't know why radiosdon't have Bluetooth in it,
cause it doesn't seem like it's.
I mean the technologies,everything has Bluetooth in it
except ham radios.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
I mean my watch has bluetooth in it, except ham
radios.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
I mean my watch some do I mean definitely like the
705's got bluetooth in it.
Um, is it a regular?
Is it regular bluetooth or isit the asu bluetooth?

Speaker 1 (48:20):
well, let me say that the the bluetooth
implementation in the 705 isbetter than the version, but
it's from what I understand andfrom what I hear from people.
It's not.
It could be better refined, butit's better than what we get
with the Yezu side of stuff, soright.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
Well, I guess I mean, like I said, I don't know.
I mean, bluetooth is ineverything.
It's in my watch, it's on everyheadset, every you know
non-wired headset you have.
It's in your car, you knoweverything is somehow connected
to bluetooth and you know whynot just put it in there.
It's not like it's, it's, it'shard to do, but for some reason

(49:02):
it just hasn't been a topic well, uh, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
I mean, there are some, obviously, limitations
with it in terms of why theydon't do it, but I don't think
that's something that anybodycan't overcome, because there
are Chinese radios that useBluetooth and do it decently, so
, like right.
Well, that's what I mean.
Take a page out of their book.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Well, I just don't know why they don't do it.
I mean, think of it this wayLike it would be like I have
these uh bone conductingheadphones that they just kind
of go over and they because myears get irritated if I, you
know, put like the airpods orwhatever, and so how cool would
it be to be able to take my htright, stick it on a bag, have

(49:44):
my bluetooth button as my talkreceive, like I use on my flex
when I'm using the iPad, andhave that headset on and then,
you know, have a little mic andhave it all connected.
You know, just like we do withthe, with the cameras.
I mean, then you could likehave your radio, you could
connect it to your backpack orwhatever.
You don't have to have it onyour hip, you don't have to have

(50:05):
it like in your way, it couldbe in the back and you have all
easy access to it without havinglike a thousand wires coming to
you.
So I mean, again, there's justa lot of things that would open
it up and I honestly think ifthey, I mean, and I think on the
500 and the 510, it's like anextra module you have to pay for
to get like, why, like, like,why are you so fucking cheap?

(50:28):
Like, yeah, it's bullshit, it'slike just put it in there,
because I just spent likefreaking 500 bucks.
You so fucking cheap?
Like, yeah, it's bullshit, it'slike just put it in there,
because I just spent likefreaking 500 bucks on your
fucking radio and it doesn'thave everything has bluetooth in
it now, including kwan chang's.
Like, just put it in there andsuck it up but well, but I think
that that was their.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
That was their response, and this is my opinion
.
Only that was their response toall the people that bitched
about the fact that it onlyworked with one headset, and so
they said, all right, we'll makeit optional then and then, that
way you don't have to worryabout you know, we don't have to
hear the complaints all thetime of you know, you saying it
doesn't work with my bluetoothheadset right.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
So you come out with the 510, right with the rasp or
whatever to be the weak signalsgood feature like right, but why
right, but why not just throwit in there, like how much does
it fricking cost to put aBluetooth module in a radio.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
I know you.
You want me to get into a one Frant now, or not?

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Well, I'm just.
But that's what I.
I don't understand why theywouldn't.
Why, like who's sitting theredesigning the radios and isn't
thinking well?

Speaker 1 (51:33):
it'd just be good.
We should just put bluetooth init, because everything else in
the world has bluetooth.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
That they say, no, we're not going to do that it's
probably like a 60 year old guywho's been doing radio since you
know the dawn of time.
Yeah, I'll tell you, right,it's an engineer.
It's an engineer.
Yeah, and what do engineers dothe best they overcomplicate the
simplest fucking shit.
Yeah, right, yeah.
And so, yeah, they're notthinking simple, like just put

(51:56):
universal bluetooth, they'rethey're overcomplicating it and
they're like well, no, it has tobe bluetooth for our fucking
shit well right, like like why?

Speaker 3 (52:07):
Well right?
But, like I said, bluetooth isso common in 2025.
Like everything has Bluetoothin it, like my phone.
When it searches Bluetooth inmy house, I have to like scroll
through because there's so muchBluetooth trying to connect to
it.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Well, okay.
So keep in mind that, likethose implementations of
Bluetooth.
If you remember when Bluetoothfirst came out, it was shit.
It was like the same stuff wehave with the Bluetooth now with
our ham radio.
Keep in mind that like thoseimplementations of Bluetooth, if
you remember when.
Bluetooth first came out.
It was shit.
It was like the same stuff wehave with the Bluetooth now with
our ham radio.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
So I just don't think they have the right engineer
2002.
Yeah, yeah, right, like it's 20, 25.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Connect and it would connect, but then you get
nothing, you disconnect and thenyou'd be like, oh, I'm
connected again, and then youstart talking and it would
disconnect.
You know, randomly, all ofthose things have been fixed.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Yeah, so now that it's fixed and all worked out,
all the kinks are worked out,it's a dime, a dozen.
Just put it in the radio.
What is the problem?

Speaker 1 (53:00):
The chip is easy, but I think the piece that we don't
see that is probably what Ihear from a lot of folks is that
you got to have someoneengineer that whole latency
thing between you know radio rfand the bluetooth component.
Like when you're talking on aphone, it's much different than
when, because that's duplexversus like a radio, which is

(53:21):
you know how do you flex whereyou?

Speaker 3 (53:22):
so how does my flex work on my ipad when I have the
button to do the push to talkand I have the headset in?

Speaker 1 (53:28):
because it's using the, the bluetooth
implementation that's on theipad, not the flex.
Right.
Flex just says, oh, it's anaudio stream, and then right,
the audio stream okay.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
So if the ipad has it , my phone has it and even my
ancient ipod has it, why can'tthe radio have it?
Why does it have to be socomplicated?
Why can't the radio have it?
Why does it have to be socomplicated?
Why can't they just put it inthere?

Speaker 1 (53:51):
to do it in Because they have to have a person that
like.
So here's the biggest problemis like you've got a bunch of 60
year old old guys and you putthis Bluetooth thing in.
What?
What do you think that they'regoing to get for tech support
calls all the time and theyprobably do.
Now it's like I tried thisBluetooth thing and it doesn't
work with my hearing aids.
Why wouldn't it work?
I want it to work with myhearing aids, you know, and like

(54:12):
they.
You know John Crook has said itall the time and I'm not using
this excuse because I wantsomething like that, because but
I want it for something alittle different I'm going to
share with you in a bit, becauseI think it'd be cooler than
just having Bluetooth.
But yeah, I think it's likeit's.
It's finding the right peoplethat are smarter and newer and
younger in those organizationsto be able to build that
technology in.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Because I'm sure it's there.
Motorola does it with theirradios.
Listen, eric, it is notsomething that needs to be
engineered.
It exists, it's everywhere, itdoes.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Talk to Chris, talk to K-I-1-P and he'll tell you
how and why, because Iunderstood it.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Someone in the ASU just needs this.
Just call the shots, don't haveany meetings, don't talk to any
engineers, don't ask if youcould do it, just say it's no,
just say we're putting bluetoothin all our radios period done.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
And this stuff where you have to pay extra for it is
crap I agree, but I mean, youknow that was their response,
like I said, because they've gottoo many people bitching about
how in fact it doesn't work,does?

Speaker 3 (55:15):
Bluetooth.
I mean, how many times latelyin the last, say, three years
have you had any problems withanything Bluetooth?

Speaker 1 (55:28):
I think one or two, but not.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
One or two with three years.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
So I've had one problem with Bluetooth and it's
been ham radio elated.
If you saw my video where I didthat stupid Bluetooth, the
device that did cat for theeight 91, someone sort of tried
to build it but it only workedwith one application, which
happened to be an Android app onan iPhone, on a Android phone,
a FT eight CN, and that's theonly app it worked with.

(55:52):
So you're back to the Yezus.
It only works with ourBluetooth headset because that's
what we got to work with.
So there is obviously sometechnical design issues, but it
can be overcome, is I guess?
What I'm trying to say is that,yes, just throw people at the
problem and it will solve theissue for everybody and they'll
enjoy you better.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
Okay, so my, I guess I have to find it, cause I don't
know this.
If you paid extra for theBluetooth component on the new
500 or 510, is that YasiBluetooth or is that just
universal Bluetooth?

Speaker 1 (56:27):
It's universal one, two dot O Bluetooth.
We're up to version 4 or 5 nowwith Bluetooth.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Why?
Why didn't they just put 5.0 inthere?
Why did they buy the cheap shitthat I'm not?

Speaker 1 (56:39):
smart enough, and we should probably get the smart
people on to have thatconversation Not the sales
product folks, but the smartpeople.
That's what.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
I mean it's almost like they run their operation
like a people.
That's what I mean.
It's like it's almost likethey're like they run their
operation like a government,like let's just get the cheapest
shit we can get and charge themost amount of money.
We're in trouble now.
I mean you said it's like a 2.0.
Why not put the new stuff inthat works?

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Because it works with a 10-year-old stupid Jabra
headset that we saw in the 1990sthat we were like, oh, this is
awesome, go Paul.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
We need to.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
We need to change Todd from still a general to the
other grouch, so T O G, we'llcall him tog the other grouch,
just cause you're in a good moodtoday it doesn't mean you have
to be picking on me.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
I'm making some good points.
Anyone watching this podcast,if you think that it was a smart
idea for Yesu to put theBluetooth 2.0, if we're up to
the 5.0 and not just put in thelatest shit, to me it's stupid
and there's no reason to do it.
And then they charge you forshit.
That's that's old news, youknow.

(57:54):
I agree, so I mean that.
So that that's what I wouldwant in.
Number one is we should haveall the luxuries of technology
in 2025, like bluetooth shouldbe in radios.
It should just come as it'sjust part of the package.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
It's just there okay, I agree 100.
I think it's important to havesomething like that for sure.
All right.
So what do you got, paul?

Speaker 2 (58:22):
well, all right.
So, uh, when, when youpresented this topic idea, um, I
I really I had to think hardabout it.
It's like, well, where, where,in my experience?
Right, would some new form oftechnology be beneficial?
And the the biggest thing thatI could come up with, okay, the

(58:47):
biggest thing was I've I've hadmy eyes on the id 50 for years
and even even though, like, theid 52 is out and then the id 52
plus and the anniversary edition, right, and there's all this
but the, it all started with theID 50 with the ability to be

(59:12):
able to connect it to your phone, and Vero actually does a
really good job with this, um,but just to be able to find the
local repeaters around you andsend that to your radio, to me
that is that is something thatshould be built into everything
at this point, right, like, nomatter where I go in the fucking

(59:37):
country, I want to be able tosay, all right, look, this is
where I am, find the localrepeaters and just throw that
shit into my radio.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Or or not even like have you do a damn thing like
determine it.
Yeah, yes, like you're drivingdown the road, your gps
coordinates change.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Guess where the next five repeaters are yeah, just
auto update my repeaters as I'mdriving down the east coast, you
know, like, so that way.
Uh, you know, I'm not stuck onone, four, six, five, two, right
where.
You know I'm not stuck on 14652, right when, like, okay, I
cross into Delaware and it goesoh, here's fucking five Delaware
repeaters.

(01:00:16):
I cross into fucking Virginia,oh, here's five Virginia
repeaters.
You know, like, to me that'sjust one of those things that in
this day and age, it shouldjust be built into fucking
everything.
Okay, although you know, teamicon for the win, I still want
an ID 50.
So, okay, someday, someday.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
I definitely agree with that Like.
So here's the other caveat Ithink I'd add to that would be a
long tying in Todd's Bluetoothwoes that Bluetooth should be
more data-driven in the sensethat my mobile or my app or I
should have a mobile app on myphone Android or Apple, what
doesn't matter that when I'm infront of my radio, if I want to

(01:01:00):
load said list, so like whereTodd's been talking about
programming all his 510 and allthat stuff, and he's doing it
via SD card.
Sd card is an upgrade from theold cable way but it's only a
small baby step because weshould be able to take that
Bluetooth module connected toour phone, engage the app and
say, hey, I'm in this areabecause my phone saw via GPS and

(01:01:21):
push a list or push a manuallist right to the radio,
bluetooth wise.
And now you're programmedbecause I can see the positives
in Aries for that for quickmanipulation.
I can see the positives in Aresfor that for quick manipulation
.
I can see it for being on theroad.
I can see it when Todd's like,hey, I want to go up to Gunstock
and I can't remember theGunstock repeater and where it
is in the list of 500 or 125stations I have.

(01:01:42):
Or just have an app that can doit Right and just push like the
app would be your interface tobe able to push whatever you
want it right and just push,like the app would be your
interface to be able to pushwhatever you want patient
services on.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Oh, you're in you know the lakes region.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Yep find all reviews on your radio update on the
radio and then just be withinthe range to do it totally yeah,
I think that that is like amissed opportunity to make your
radio experience better, and Ithink that's like kind of one of
my things, that I was thinkingalong the lines.
So I definitely I, yes, you,yes, you has failed in that area

(01:02:18):
and really missed it.
A good opportunity.
Icom's sort of did a okayimplementation with it.
I think that they could havedone better and improved upon it
every year over year,especially with software.
I think the one thing we'remissing most now that I think is
just so ridiculous that wedon't have these days everything
is ID'd, meaning every deviceyou have in some form or fashion

(01:02:38):
can be ID'd, either over theair or whatever.
And I think, because of theinfrastructure we have today and
whatnot, that we should make itmandatory or at least get to
the place that every device,every ham radio that's out there
, if your call sign, if I'mplugging my call sign into the
radio I'm not just doing it fordigital, I should be able to do

(01:03:00):
for analog my id should go overthe repeater.
So here's my thought with thisis that if I'm on a repeater and
I go ahead and key up, when Ikey up my call sign goes over
the air.
It should go to some, like youknow, computerized interface at
the repeater site that says, hey, these are the five people that
have logged on or keyed up themachine in the past hour, or

(01:03:21):
whatever.
I can then go up to a centralapp or I go up to the repeaters
app on the internet and I cansee that Paul's keyed up in the
past five minutes, or whatever.
Because how many times we allcomplain that you know?
Oh, uh, you know the rate.
Repeaters are dead.
Repeaters are dead.
Nobody's out there, no one'sid'ing.
Well, yeah, I might id'd fiveminutes before you turned your
radio on, but I'm not gonna.

(01:03:42):
It's not gonna be.
You know, known to you thatI've id'd but I'm still out
there listening, hoping thatyou'll id, but but you're not
IDing.
So you know, like just beingable to do that.
I know we do that with digital,but it should just be over the
analog side too as well, thatyou know.
You can take that data and thenpush it to your club website
and say, hey, these are theeight people that are currently
logged in the past hour, and youcan go to that, or you can go

(01:04:03):
to an app which you know, one ofthe things that I'm really
pushing more with.
You know, I'm seeing a lot moreas those bio sites, like you
see, all these little peoplethat have the bio information
and stuff like that.
Every club should just have africking bio site that has that
link.
A lot of us are really smart.
I'm really smart that, uh, youknow, you can ultimately like
see who's on the repeater in thepast 15, 20 minutes, because

(01:04:25):
that'd be freaking cool, becausethat'd be like, oh, I knew Bill
and so-and-so talked earlierand I could, you know, see if
they're still around now.
But, yeah, take that technologyand stretch it.
I mean it's sad that it's notbeing used now.
All right, anybody else got acup, it's not being used.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
You think it's because in a hairy world you
might have to pull yours.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
You're Mickey Mouse again Speaking of you're.
You're, you're mickey mouseagain.
Speaking of tech.
It's not being used in thesense that unless you're on the
digital side, you know, underlike fusion or whatever, your,
your id, your, your, your callsign doesn't show up anywhere
else.
Like analog, it doesn't gettransmitted yeah it's better.
You were a little bit.

(01:05:08):
Yeah, keep talking, it'llprobably catch up.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
All right, so why isn't it?

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Why doesn't that happen?
I?

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
think my guess is, and I'll say this way why do you
think it's not happening?

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Well, one, because nobody likes digital, or the
small group of people that dolike digital.
There's a bigger audience thathates digital and will complain
about it till the cows come home.
So why can't we do that?
You know ID and component onanalog and just use a.
You know a little bit of thespectrum or whatever we need to
do to make that work on thedigital side in the analog world

(01:05:46):
.
And two, it would save a lot oftime for, like you know, just
seeing who's on your repeater,like you know, if I was a
repeater on it, I'd love to findout who's on it without having
to sit around all day and listento who logs on to my repeater.
You know, like if I was Ryan,I'd be, like, I want to know how
many people logged in mymachine today.
People logged in my machinetoday.

(01:06:06):
There's no, there's noidentifiable information unless
you're in a certain you know,echo, space or ecosystem, like
you know fusion or DMR orwhatever that stuff.
So what about recording?
Thank you, they can record, youjust have to do that.
Uh, you know they have to buildthat stuff in the repeater, but
I think the repeaters who wantsto review those recordings, not

(01:06:31):
me?

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
No, well, this is what I was thinking.
So you know, everyone has rimcameras, right?
So if you set it up, if someone, if there's motion or someone
walks up or a vehicle comes intoyour garage, it alerts you.
It says, oh, there's a vehicleat your garage.
So that would be something likeyou could do with the repeater
and say, oh, you know someone'son the repeater.

(01:06:52):
It's, in general, alert to yourphone if you sign up for it and
it says, oh, and when you areand w1sdj are on the repeater,
yeah, like on hamlets right likehamlets.
You know, kind of works that wayI mean repeater should be
smarter.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
that's, I guess, where I guess I'm probably going
to have more of those smartsbuilt into it, with, you know,
being able to, like, leveragethem so people can enjoy them
more and get something out ofthem.
Value wise Cause, I think it'simportant Send.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Send your, uh, your tips for making a repeater
smarter to the ham radioworkbench.
Yeah, I know right, george.
George will figure it out hewill, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Yeah, I think, um, that would be something
worthwhile.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Uh, anyway, you got another one, I think I mean, I
think it's, I think this is agood topic and I think people
that are listening to this andthen if, for some reason, yesu
people are listening to this orany manufacturers listen to it
is things are changing like weneed to get younger people into
ham radio, right?

(01:07:56):
So our club is really focusingon getting younger people
involved doing ham radio.
Well, to get younger people andtheir generation involved with
their radio.
They're going to want to.
They've been born with thistechnology, so why would they?
They would want to see sometechnology put into ham radio.

(01:08:19):
So like, if you don't have, youknow, if you give a kid and you
say, hey, here's a, here's ascanner my grandmother has.
It has a chip and it has thisfrequency and you can listen to
this frequency all day long it'sgonna be like well, I'm just
gonna go buy the one that I canput any frequency in, right,
without the stupid chip.
Sure, right, remember those atthe like the six bots that would

(01:08:43):
go by and put in the ship foreach channel.
So I guess one thing is, iftechnology, that is all stuff
that younger kids, youngergenerations, are so used to
having, they've been born with,growing up with stuff like
bluetooth, right, like the youngmillennials have always had

(01:09:05):
bluetooth, they never not had itright question for you is zach
gaming?

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
kick him off.
I think he's causing yourinternet connection to go wonky
no, it's here.
It's here in the uh yeah,you're, you're, you're now
getting into that little likeit's choppy, like your
internet's cutting it out on you.
You had some good points, butwe're like I got like every
third word of that and I waslike, okay, I can kind of stitch

(01:09:32):
that together, but no one elsegonna be able to hear you well,
he, he's uh his computer's herein the office.
No, yeah you know you're gettingback to that robot voice again.
Something's happening, damninternet.
Oh man, paul, you got anythingwhile?

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Todd's doing with technical difficulties again.
So here's the thing right Is um, I get an echo?
Uh, I do.
Yeah, it's when Todd unplugsOkay, um, I'm, I'm a techno
dummy.
Yeah, it's when Todd unplugs,okay, I'm a techno dummy.
And so, like I'm not the personto ask for like advice on where

(01:10:22):
technology should go, I'm theguy where you go.
Hey listen, you're're a fuckingdummy.
Can you take this thing thatwe've developed and can you make
it work?

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
right or more.
So make it work better, becausea lot of times you make shit
work way better than it'ssupposed to ever work out of the
box.
So don't well classify yourselfin that group.
But yeah, go on okay.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
But so I mean, all right, like, uh, you take the
ham clock, for example.
Okay, so when ham clock firstcame out, um, it was fantastic,
but there was a lot of flaws, um, and so it took a whole bunch
of people using it to go, heylisten, this needs to be

(01:11:06):
improved, that needs to beimproved, blah, blah, blah, blah
, right, and then theimprovements then came, um.
So I mean, I, I would love toplay with some new technology
and in ways of connecting myanalog radios to, to, to, to

(01:11:29):
digital modes, to, to get me tobe able to use my radio more
efficiently, if you will.
Right Cause, for for me it'sall about efficiency.
I want to spend less timesetting things up and more time
actually playing with them.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
And I know I agree and I know Todd's a big-time
appliance operator and there'sno shame in that, not?

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
at all.
What do you mean?
Appliance operator.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
You just want it to work the way that it's supposed
to work.
You want to be able to run aprogram and just have it work.
You don't want to have totroubleshoot shit and figure it
out Right, whereas I mean Idon't mind.
I don't mind so much because ithelps my learning process.

(01:12:23):
You know of of having to belike, ah, okay, well, yeah, the
way that you did it was okay,but if you just did it this way,
it'd be better.
And that's just.
I don't know, that's just me.
I like to learn and play withthings that will help me learn.

(01:12:47):
Okay, and I just I don't thinkthat there's enough in the ham
radio community of people going,hey, here's something new, I
want people to play with it andthen give me feedback.
I think we need more of that.

(01:13:07):
I think we need more of theindividual ham radio people that
can develop the software, candevelop the applications for our
phones and whatnot, to justcreate something new and go, hey
, here it is, play with it.

(01:13:28):
Let me know what you think.
I'm sorry, I don't want tototally cut you off, but I just
want to finish my thought.
That's where I think people likeSebastian Ham2K super good at

(01:13:50):
doing that.
He put out hey, here's mylogging software.
It's shit right now, but I wantyou to try it and give me your
honest feedback.
Like I've been a beta testersince the beginning and I
absolutely love that sebastianis so receptive to all of our
input.

(01:14:11):
You know, like dude, I sent hima message and I'm like look,
I'm running a Kindle fire tabletbecause that's what I use when
I'm out in the field, because itwas cheap and it was affordable
and it's what I've got and Ilove what you're doing.
But now it's not working for me.
And he works with you and hetroubleshoots and goes through

(01:14:34):
it and and gets it, gets itworking, gets it figured out
Right.
And all I'm saying is I, Ithink that there needs to be
more hams, that step forwardwith that kind of software
development kind of mindset tosay, hey, I've got an idea,
let's make this better.
And here, take it and test it,give me your feedback and we'll

(01:14:58):
keep building and improving.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
Yeah, there's a thing in the software world called
build groups and companies usedto do these and I think they
still do them.
But basically they would have awhole bunch of guys and gals in
the company software company andbe like, hey, this is your time
, you got a week to do whateveryou want and you can build
whatever you want, you candesign whatever you want and you

(01:15:21):
can build software and you andthen you know, you got a week to
build it, you have a little bitof a budget from us and then
you guys all meet like at theend of the week to talk about,
like and share all of your toolsand stuff.
Like that.
I think those need to be moreprevalent per se in the ham
radio world, where we're lessabout like, hey, I build
something and then I make abusiness out of it, which I get

(01:15:42):
it, you gotta earn a living.
But we all know ham radios andI did a video on this a while
back and and part of it was likeit was talking about Hamshack
Hotline going away but at thesame time was more expanding
upon the idea of that.
You know, hey, what are wedoing to support the businesses
that are out there like creatingsome of this stuff because
they're going to be just anotherone of those companies on the
chopping block kind of thing,because they had an idea but

(01:16:04):
it's not.
It doesn't pay the bills a lot.
So you know, having thatsecurity-based is important.
It is super disappointing to seethat HamShack hotline's going
away, although I think Ham'sover IP is stepping up to fill
that gap a little bit.
And so, because I've gottenonce I put that video out, I've
gotten a lot of people going youshould go over to Ham's over IP

(01:16:26):
.
I'm like I am on hams over ip,you don't have to tell me, I
just need to switch my phone atthis point.
But here's the thought.
It's like I've got all of myall-star nodes and all of those
other super nodes all on theother platforms so I gotta now
switch them all over and youknow who's handling and helping
with that load.
But I I think, um, one of thethings I was kind of, you know,

(01:16:47):
trying to think of and I know wekind of started with all the
equipment stuff I was trying tothink like, okay, well, what
have we run in?
And you sort of touched upon itsoftware wise, you know there
are things outside of theconventional stuff that we have
meaning, like applications andham logs that you know we all go
.
Why the fuck do we still dothis kind of thing?
Anybody have a idea?

(01:17:14):
Yeah, like the log formats whenyou submit to certain logging I
think Elon, you know Paul,there any log.
So like when you export yourlog file for a contest or
something like that, they wantit in a Carbillo format.
Or like when you do Winterfieldtoday, they do it in an ADI

(01:17:36):
format.
Like there are numbers ofdifferent logs out there.
Why can't we standardize on onelog like format and incorporate
, incorporate all of thosefeatures into one format and
just call it one log and allagree that this is the one
format that we we standardize on, instead of saying, oh you do,
cabrillo, or we only accept ADI,or we accept only whatever.

(01:17:57):
Fill in the blank.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
It's kind of like the fight between beta and VHS.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
You're in and out again, paul Todd, sorry, oh my
god.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
I might be in and out too.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
You're back now.
You were frozen.
Elon had your tight grip.
Hey, why not?

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
100%, though it is a giant pain in the ass if you're
not a regular contester toparticipate in a contest and
submit an ADIF log, which I meanthat's generally participate in
a contest, and submitted an 8thlog, which I mean that's
generally what I generate.
But then they want Cabrillo orthey want something else, or you

(01:18:48):
know if you need to upload itto fucking LOTW, like god damn,
like just make it one fuckingstandard why do we need so many
extra added fields?

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
like I get like some contests like, oh, we want we
don't track this stuff.
But like, come to a standardlike everybody should just like
there should be a governingboard that says, hey, enough of
this crap, let's just all decidethat this is going to be the
standard.
Like bluetooth, as an example,there's a governing board of
volunteers and people andcompanies that all get together
and say we're gonna do thesestandards, formats, this is how

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it's all gonna work together foreverybody.
So for the common good, kind ofthing.
Why can't our log files just belike they're all called dot ham
files and that they consist ofeverything that they need and
all the field values are there,but if you don't use them, then
it's, it gets ignored, kind ofthing?
It's just uh, I muted you.
All.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
Right, you're muted, okay yeah, am I better now?
yeah, you're good now am Ibetter yeah, okay, so far, I
don't know what's going on.
Um, what I was saying before,it's kind of like it's the
competition right, the twodifferent technologies.
We used to have vhf, betamaxvhf or v VHS, one right.

(01:19:57):
We used to have Sony LaserDiscand DVDs right, the Sony
LaserDisc like a size of arecord, and Blu-ray right, and
really Blu-ray and DVDs made it.
But Blu-ray was kind of likethe HD.
You know the high quality.
It was high and short lived.

(01:20:18):
Yeah Right, couldn't afford it,right, but I mean that's kind of
like competition wise.
But on the other hand, likewhen you guys were talking about
the ham radio hotline, I'msorry.
Phones, landline phones, aredone, they're ancient, it's not.
You're not going to get ayounger kid generation to go buy

(01:20:40):
a phone and plug it into thewhatever and be like they're not
.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
I don't disagree with that.
But at the same time I don'tthink that it's like uh, an
opportunity that's a missed.
I think there's something toiterate on it, because a lot of
like uh and you were at the theour club meeting when paul the
repeater owner was like hey, Iwant to get into all-star and
asterix for our repeaters to beable to do multiple bridging of
repeaters and stuff like that.

(01:21:04):
They're using the voiptechnology that we're using in
hands over ip to do that stuff.
So it's not a technology tothrow away, it's just how can we
make it a better in a differentway?

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
so my thought on that is I don't know how.
I mean, I don't understand allthat.
Like you guys know more aboutit than me, but if you wanted to
have ham shack hotline, the wayyou would do it is you somehow
create an app for it and have iton the app, because people
aren't going to sit in theirshack and they're going to call

(01:21:36):
their phones.
Everything is on this, so ifthis can communicate to
everything else, why not have iton that?
So I don't know if you have tohave the phone.
I knew you were going to dothat.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
Yeah, I still work there and I'm not answering.
What Didn't you watch my videowhen I said, kindly, that
there's only two people in thisworld that called me is Tim and
Paul?

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
He doesn't even leave me voicemail, so, yeah, my ham
shock outline Right, because Idon't think people are really
could get into it.
You know, back in the eightiesit would have been like, yeah,
that's awesome, but like now,like who the hell?
I mean I had it on, I set thewhole thing up and I never used
it and just sat there taking upspace on my desk so I just got

(01:22:20):
rid of it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
I was like I'm not using this.
I I understand in most caseslike that was just like kind of
like a touch thing, but likewhere I could see like aries,
that would be a functional,great feature to have.
I mean, I don't think they useit or implement it on their end
because the places that they'resetting up have internet all the
time.
I mean they're on backups tothe backups of the internet.
So if those hospitals and thoselocations go down, right.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
But aries is about emergency communications, right.
It's still part of ham radio,right?
So if, if all shit breaks loose, the phone lines ain't gonna
work either no, but like voiceover, ip and internet would in
most cases, the internet wouldwork if if there was a well,
look at Mr Grouch here.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
He's on satellite right now and he's you know, his
hams over IP works perfectlyfine on that.
He's just called me two secondsago, so he's not on a landline,
so the capabilities are good.
I just want to be like toexpand, like, like you said,
todd, the old days of picking upthe phone and talking on the
phone.
Yeah, nobody does that.
But how can you make somethingbetter for either emergencies or

(01:23:21):
not or just functionality?
That's kind of my thought is,like Paul said, having people
think beyond the box.

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
Do it together.
Have the phone, but also haveit connected to an app so people
can access it, because you'regoing to get more people using
it on their cell phones thanthey are on the phone itself.
And even if they have to havethe phone, but if there was an
app that was linked to it orsomehow, then what?

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
So there is an app.
It's called ground wire andit's the ham.
It's a ham developed app thatties into hams over IP.
Do you have to have a phone forit?
You have to have an extensionon one of the the services.
But yeah, it ties in.
I like I.
My desk phone was tied to thatfor a while so it would ring
also on my cell phone, like I asa soft you have to have the

(01:24:08):
landline phone to to have.
It's not a landline phone, it'sjust a phone that's connected to
the internet.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
All right, but do you have to have the phone
connected to there, or can youjust use the app?

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
The software on the backend knows how to send the
traffic to the smartphone versusthe desk phone.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
So that's how I would advertise it and get people to
use it more, because again,these phones aren't plugged into
the old traditional telephonejack.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
Yeah, they're connected to ethernet right,
yeah, right.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
So what I'm, what I'm saying, is is you're not going
to get the younger generation,and even my, even our generation
.
I'm not.
I mean I, when you guys weretalking about all that, I'm like
I don't get it, like why?
Why do I want to go drag it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
We'll find a phone because it's fun, because you
never know, like for me, like Ilook at it, like yeah, it's,
it's an antiquated technology,nobody uses desk phones.
But I got into it with the ideathat, hey, now I can have a talk
to my all-star node, which isnow radio to radio and radio to
phone and and then beyond that,expanding into all other digital
networks and stuff like that.

(01:25:18):
So people have been takingthose things and making them one
step further and moving the barout farther with the idea that,
yeah, hey, we're getting awayfrom.
Oh, I just pick up a phone andtalk to somebody or I key up a
PTT.
We can now do it many differentways.
And so that's kind of mythought is like, okay, well,
when we look at stuff in andaround us, what, what, what,

(01:25:39):
what can we dream to make thingsbetter?
Like I mean, you elaborated onthe Bluetooth stuff.
I think that's a good idea.
Like why can't they expound onthat and make things more useful
for us hams, with the idea thatthat adds value and hams will
pay for that extra value, versuslike fighting tooth and nail
for it?

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
And I use this stupid $ fucking cisco phone all the
time all the time you probablydo.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
Yeah, this is your main phone.
What do you use it for?

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
calling other hams well, so all right.
So I've got.
I've got hams over ip on oneline, I've got ham shack hotline
on another line, and then I'vegot.
I've got a hams over IP on oneline, I've got a ham shack
hotline on another line, andthen I've got a regular outside
voice line oh yeah, I forgotabout that and so nine times out
of ten, right, my cell phonejust doesn't fucking work, my

(01:26:30):
cell phone just doesn't cut it,and so I tell people listen, if
you're trying to get a hold ofme, do not call my cell phone.
Call 603-377-8008, and I pickedthat number because it spells
boob it's not a real number no,100, that's my real number.

(01:26:53):
It is, yeah, 603-377-8008.
I don't give a fuck who has itwe can't be responsible for the
phone calls.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
You're getting what?

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
is it?

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
again.
I don't hey, this is mr.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
Yeah 377-8008 so what is that?
That's?
That's a desk phone that he'sgot there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
That's my, that's my ham shack hotline Fucking hams
over IP Cisco phone.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
So anyone can call that number.
So I could call that number onmy cell phone to you.
Go ahead, yeah, you want to andyou can pick it up.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
Yeah.
Now it's going away.
I love it.
Now it's going way after the.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
I love it no, no, because that's an MS dot.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
VoIP line oh, not through Hamshack no, that's a
completely separate outside lineah, okay, okay, I thought that
was an option.
I use this phone that Ioriginally bought for Hamshack
hotline for that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
It's flexible enough to do that Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Here we go.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
Hello Boob job.
How can I help?

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
you.
Hello, this is Boob.

Speaker 3 (01:28:14):
How much does that cost you?

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
So incoming incoming calls are free.
Outgoing calls are, like, Ithink, two cents a minute,
something like that.
Like small it's, it's, it'sreally affordable and it it.
It gives me the ability to havea quote unquote landline

(01:28:38):
without being tethered to alandline.
So anywhere I go, I just put myStarlink internet outside and I
have access to that phone.

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
So what happens if, for some reason, starlink goes
down or you don't have internet?
It doesn't work, right, right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
But then my cell phone doesn't work, right, right
, but then my my cell phonedoesn't work either, so like I'm
just tethered to fucking radioat that point right, which is
where the rf is always thebackup, right I mean that's cool
, I mean it's it's, I mean it'sgood that you can do that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
But, like I said, most ham operators are always
thinking like, okay, whathappens if all shit breaks loose
?
Right, I mean that's what hamradio is really.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
I mean basically that's why I have a Paul.
I don't think about that.
Yeah Well, paul's, thousands ofmiles away from the OTO said
he's like Paul's of the thousandplus miles away from you, my
friend.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
Like I guess I still got you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
You'll just be reprimanding, but I mean, I
think it's.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
I'm going to send you to my house.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
Now does that phone that you have now?
Is there a way I could, insteadof actually calling you, is
there a way like I could, get onthe computer and call you, yeah
, yep, or an app on my phone?

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
I wanted to, yeah, yep there's stuff out there that
will allow you to do that, sothat.

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
So I guess that's there's stuff out there that
will allow you to do that, sothat, so I guess that's did ham
radio hotline or whatever shack,whatever ham shack.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
Hotline did that, do it that way too.
They had some capabilities todo that.
Um, they managed it a littlebit more, but you know they also
.
They exploded fast, I think,and we couldn't manage the
incoming requests with thevolunteers that they had.
And I think and this is gettingmy speculation, I have no basis
from it at all but it got bigfast and so when things like
that in the ham radio world getthat crazy, they either explode

(01:30:49):
and fall apart or they turn outto be like POTA and they just
you know they figure out how tosteer the ship right and make it
good and stay on track for thelong haul and ultimately, it's
all in the development team yeah, so ham radio shack hotline is
dying, is going away.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
They are yep, yep but ham, what is it?
The end of august yeah, 29thhow many people used it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
I don't know they didn't release numbers, but it's
quite a big audience yeah, it'sseveral thousand so now they're
up to like eight digits orseven digits.

Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
So you do the math so now everyone is going to go to
this hamry hams over ip hams.

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
All right, there's another service too out there.
I can't remember the name of it, but there are a couple other
replacements smaller.

Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
Are they going to get swamped and have the same faith
as?

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
No, yes and no, dude, you don't know.
I mean you don't use it.
So you're one less person.
Paul and I are an anomaly.
I mean, heck, we went toNearfest and what was on
Charlie's bench?
The ham phone I sold him a yearand a half ago.
So you know, you tell me, youknow, people find value in stuff
and sometimes just play with itwith the idea that they'll give

(01:32:03):
it away later or sell it off orwhatever.
But yeah, no, I think we'rekind of getting in the technical
kind of weeds.
I didn't really, you know,wanted to lead us there, but
it's okay, we went there becauseyou know we could talk forever
about you know how.
Uh, you know ham radio is notserving certain demographic
groups and it might be a goodtopic to talk about, for sure,

(01:32:23):
later in the future.
Um, but you know, one of thethings I was thinking of that I
thought would be like anenhancement.
I mean, obviously we want autoupload log to poda, which is
coming, I'm sure, eventually.
But what would be really coolalong the e-gaming route?
Wouldn't it be cool to go up tothe spotting page?
We all encourage all activatorsto go up to the spotting page.

(01:32:43):
Wouldn't it be cool to kind ofdo like a gaming or an online
gaming option.
So you go up to the POTA pageand I don't know how you'd shape
this, but like to add thatelement of like a one verse one
or one verse three.
You pick a bunch of other POTA.
You know folks that are on thespotting page activating and you
challenge them to.
You know, hey, how manycontacts can you make in 25

(01:33:05):
minutes?
Let's, let's see who can youknow win the top score and kind
of keep a leaderboard in thatsame way.
You know it's a kind of add anelement of like hey, you like
hey, you're out in the fieldwith other people that might be
halfway around the world orhalfway down the United States.
You can throw in a challenge tothem through the POTA app to
say this would be cool, I wantto see how far I can stretch my

(01:33:25):
antennas and my equipment to seeif I can beat you in a
30-minute head-to-head and playaround.
In that sense I think that'd bekind of cool to make my
activations pretty fun.
You know, and I know with theN1 OG, when I'm contact him I
can be like screw you, I'mthrowing down the gauntlet, dude
.
You know you're not done.
We're going to take this on foranother 30 more minutes and see

(01:33:46):
who can make a.

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
You know, bank here actually would be kind of cool,
like if, so say, I wasactivating in Iowa, right,
because Iowa is the next statethat I need to activate, right,
so I'm activating in Iowa andyou're activating New Hampshire,
massachusetts, maine, vermont,whatever, um, and and yeah you,

(01:34:11):
you be like all right, I betthat I can make you know 10
contacts faster than you canmake 10 contacts, right, exactly
, yeah, yeah, that'd be cool.

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
They're like all right, you're on, let's go
because, like we, we've allheard the the the ongoing battle
where, like kyle, alfalfazirzad is trying to like move
e-gaming into the contestingworld and the contesting world
world pushing back hard.
They're like no, this isbullshit, we don't do it this
way.
And you know they're kind ofpoo-pooing on him.
Why not do?
it because they're all grumpyfuckers they are and I get the

(01:34:45):
fact that it messes up their youknow nice little symbiotic
relationship that they have withyou know the years of
contesting and stuff.
But at the same time, why not doit in POTO, where it's like
heck, everybody would be adapted?
Now I got this little buttonnext to someone, I can throw a
gauntlet challenge out and I canping them really quickly to say
, hey, let's do a quickactivation.
Or maybe, if they're in a placethat they don't have internet

(01:35:09):
or cell service, that we canleverage things like APRS or
other methods that can sendthose notifications and really
just strengthen those tools inbetter ways than just accepting
the fact that APRS sucks orWinlink can only do one thing it

(01:35:29):
does, or using Winlink to beable to leverage that type of
thing and get more people moreinvolved.
Like myself, I would actuallyuse my wind link account and,
you know, actually send moreemails, I'm sure, if I had that
capability.
Um, you know, but you know,having that kind of like sense
about it builds more community.
It definitely keeps more peoplemore interested.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
Um, well, I think.
I think that's where, like uh,vera right Really kind of
excelled with adding kind ofthat game element into the
software.
Right, we're like I'd be likeall right, eric, I challenge you
to a game of fucking.
You know chess, yeah, and youknow.

(01:36:06):
And like we're playing via rf,you know, but like we're sending
signals back and forth computerto computer through RF, like it
.
It just made it a fun thing.
You know like, oh, you sank mybattleship.
You know like, yes, I think Ithink there just there needs to

(01:36:28):
be more shift towards technologyand and and and, especially for
these younger folks.
God, these younger folks, they,these younger folks, they have
an attention span of like 15seconds.
Well, they need that gamingelement.

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
We can talk about that definitely in another
episode, because I think likethere's two aspects of this
hobby that we should touch on,and one is that we aren't doing
enough to reach the 30 to 45 or48 year old generation for
future, because I think thoseguys and gals are going to be
ones furthering and continuingon what we already do in the
hobby now.
But the youth and I was a youthwhen I was in ham radio I was

(01:37:07):
excited about it, but then, onceI got to like the girls in the
cars, well, yeah, it wasn't ascool as it was and I, you know,
didn't get back to it later.
But yeah, it's an element thatneeds to be reached.
But here's another thing we alldid the FT8 off right.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
FT8 off was tons of fun.

Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
I mean, FT8 has Fox and Hound.
Well, why can't they just buildanother module into the FT8 app
that says, hey, let's do aninstantaneous FT8 leaderboard
that it can track all that stuffand all of the people that want
to chime in?
Just check in that they'rechecking into it.
And FT8, within the app, you'renow part of this little small

(01:37:44):
little mini game that people areworking to get points for the
farthest contact, the number ofcontacts, and let them all track
out.

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
Every hour resets.

Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
Yeah, exactly, start something new and expand on that
, build APIs to build out likeinterfaces for clubs to be able
to share that information, orbuild a an ecosystem, because,
like you got world radio leaguelove them sort of, can't
understand them fully.
You know, maybe we should havethem on one time, because I know
there are people that like it.
I've dove into it a little bit.

(01:38:15):
I just can't, like I struggle,and I understand that they have
to have a business model thatworks for them, but it's a
logging application and they'rejust adding fancy features on
top of it.
I haven't seen the value yougot pay out for me and nothing
slammed to them at all.
But they're obviouslyrecognizing it.
They're seeing that, hey, thisneeds to happen in in the

(01:38:36):
industry and so they're justexpounding on that more and more
and more people are latching onto it.
So, yeah, it'd be great to beable to like have them build an
fta leaderboard that you know isa little e-gaming kind of
component, if that was the theplace to go.
Um, but yeah, that's that'skind of my thought was like.
I was like, yeah, we have allthese awesome tools and we all
use them as ham operators, butwe all create our own little

(01:38:57):
mini games, like we were doingFTA bingo like a couple of times
in our club, because we werejust looking for things to do
and we had to manually create it.
So like it's those kinds ofthings that you know, I was kind
of like hoping we can kind of,you know, get people thinking
about, because you know thatactually hopefully gets people.
Like you were talking aboutpaul with the building, uh, you

(01:39:17):
know the applications and thenfinding the, the people, because
I don't know about you, dude,developers are great at
developing but they aren't greatat coming up with ideas.
They, they are the worst peoplein the world for that they'll.
If you give them a task,they'll build something in 10
minutes, but if you tell them tocome up with a creative idea,
they're like I, I don't knowwhat you're talking about and
and you know and.
So you know we need the creativefolks to interface with the

(01:39:39):
developers and have a pool ofdevelopers ready to go at the
whim to say, hey, you know, takethis idea run with it, build it
, and you know, let's try tokeep it as cheap as possible,
but I don't know Anything elseyou guys want to expand upon,
because I think you know we'vebeen going pretty long here and
but at the same time it's allawesome stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
I think, at the end of the day, right Like
everything in life, you have toadapt, grow and change with the
times and with today'stechnological advancements.
The advancements have farsurpassed what people are

(01:40:33):
willing to put out and I thinkpeople need to now start trying
to catch up to the technologicaladvancements.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
Yeah, totally, it's um, it's going to be hard for me
.
We're, we're, we're in a hobby.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
Change is hard.

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
It is.
We're in a hobby.
We're very much in a hobby witholder generation and yeah, that
take it or leave it for whatit's worth, but that older
generation is not going to bethe folks that are going to
always carry the torch forwardfor technology.
So us younger guys, even thoughwe're a little older, we're the
ones that you know we'retalking to.
You know guys like like you're,you want the hobby to grow, you

(01:41:15):
want it to there, you want itto come up with it.
You got to start kind ofpressuring and pushing those
ideas forward and start movingtechnology with it.
What do you got, todd?

Speaker 3 (01:41:29):
No, I mean I think I agree with you.
I think technology is somethingthat's always changing, always
advancing, and I think if youdon't keep up with it, you're
going to be forgotten.
So you know two ham radios Imean the one thing that's nice
about analog and HF, and youknow any radio is always going

(01:41:52):
to work but you might be able todo more and have more fun with
a more high tech radio.
And convenience too, I mean,like I said in the beginning,
with the Bluetooth.
I mean I thought you, eric,what you said about your side of
Bluetooth and how it could help, and then just the basic stuff,
like just being able to connectit to your car.

(01:42:12):
I mean how awesome would it beis that you could just have the
radio connected to your car.

Speaker 1 (01:42:17):
That should be the.
I mean, how awesome would it beif you could just have the
radio connected to your carspeakers.

Speaker 3 (01:42:19):
That should be the bare minimum in this day and age
.
Well, right, but you can't dothat, right, you literally can't
do that.
And to me it's sad, and I don'tknow if it's a money grab, if
it's people that don't, but Ithink for the hobby, if you're
going to keep the hobby movingforward and you're going to get

(01:42:40):
younger people and you want toget people to have their radios
and connected and put in theircar so people use the repeaters
and that and that kind of stuff,when out there, especially the
younger generation, you got tomake it as easy as possible for
them.
And if you say to someone well,you got to put this in, you got
to run this wire, and then yougot to get an external speaker
and then you got to find a placeto mount it, or you could pay

(01:43:03):
like 500 bucks and get thisradio, but you can get a cheaper
radio, but then you're notreally going to hear, especially
if the windows are down.
They're going to be like why amI doing this?
And and that's where I look atit from I just look at it as
make things like veryuser-friendly and very simple to
use.
Because that's me I have enoughhobbies and I don't have enough

(01:43:26):
time to study, learn research,watch a thousand youtube videos
to figure.
I just don't.
Maybe when I'm retired I will,no, but right now, in my current
state, I don't have time to,freaking, eat dinner, let alone.

(01:43:46):
I mean, literally like today.
I mean, I've had what?
Four days off?
Yeah, four days off.

Speaker 1 (01:43:54):
Tomorrow is my fifth, my last day, but I, I've been
non-stop I know dude we had awhole entire summer where you
were like dude, I'm gonna pwn itevery day and you get like
maybe two yeah, because it'sjust I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:44:09):
I barely had time to make a ramen today and I didn't
eat dinner yet right so, but butyou know what I'm saying is
like you got to make thingssimple Like, like these kids you
know my kids, 12 and they allhis friends, are not like maybe
maybe most of the kids probablyout there Like he is.

(01:44:30):
They're active, they like to goout on their little electric
dirt bikes and tear up the town.
They like to play their sports.
They like to go do basketballand basketball camp and play
football and flag football andbut at night they're on the,
they're on their video games.
But I'm playing fortnight, yeah, or whatever else they're

(01:44:51):
playing, but I don't, I don'tthink it's.
I don't think it's so much thatit's like when we were kids,
like, oh, I get to play theAtari or whatever.
Nintendo 64, Nintendo, you knowthat's what Original.

Speaker 2 (01:45:05):
NES.

Speaker 3 (01:45:05):
Right, you played it for the game, to play the game.
I mean, I think they're playingthe games, but it's also their
social, interacting as well,it's more social interacting
than it is even the gamesometimes.
I mean where we were and that'swhat and that's where ham radio
was right, and that's where hamradio has to go to a point where
you're going to want people toget on the radio to get involved

(01:45:30):
with the stuff.
But it has to be as simple aspossible for this younger
generation.
I mean, look at, a kid can goout and said, dad, I want a PS
five or whatever it is all forChristmas.
And then Santa brings it to himfor Christmas.
And then what happens?
The kid goes up, he plugs it in, he plugs a wire into the TV
and boom, he's gaming.

(01:45:50):
Right, it's pretty much thatsimple.
It's not hard.
You give a kid, a 12 year oldor a 16 year old kid.
A 17 year old kid just got hisdriver's license and said happy
birthday, here's your firstmobile rig.
Right, they're gonna be likewhat?
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
Okay, what the fuck do I do with this?

Speaker 1 (01:46:12):
exactly if they know what ham radio is.
This now a struggle, but now ifham radio was smart, they know
what ham radio is?

Speaker 3 (01:46:16):
they're still going to struggle.
Now, if ham radio was smart,they would integrate ham radio
into these new freaking carswith these big screens, meaning
that the radio would be allbuilt in just like they are now.

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
Yeah, you missed our black box episode.
That's where Paul and I wechatted about that stuff and my
gosh, that was a popular episodefor sure.

Speaker 3 (01:46:38):
But I mean that's what I mean.
That's where I think it's it'simportant and it it.
It kind of frightens me alittle bit because I sometimes
hear especially like if we're atclub meetings or I hear
conversations that there's a lotof hands out there that don't
want that change and you knowthey're not going to be around

(01:47:00):
and maybe that's theirperspective in their part of
their life.
But for me and even my kids, ifthey're going to get into ham
radio, like if you don't changeit, it's going to go away and
it's not going to be here andyou're going to lose.
If people aren't using thebands right on a regular basis,
they're going to go away.
The government's going to takethem and give them to someone
else to use.
900 megahertz is already on theway out.

(01:47:21):
Yep, right, but again 900megahertz.
Like who's doing 900 megahertz?

Speaker 1 (01:47:26):
well casey was when he bought, told us to buy all
the gear and he's like I'mgetting involved in it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:30):
And then, lo and behold, I hear that, yeah, don't
bother but, but it was likethat was too late, right, like,
exactly like that, that was too,that was too late, you know.
So it's like we, we missed theboat.
It came and went and there'snot enough people involved.
So it's the same thing withwith two meters, you know, 70

(01:47:53):
centimeters.
If you, if you don't get peopleon the repeaters or you don't
do it, it's just going to goaway.
And that's why I think it'simportant that clubs run nets
right, get other people running,not just one person or two
people like, get a lot ofdifferent people doing it,
keeping the participation up.
But also make it accessible.
I think our net should be ourrepeater, should be somehow

(01:48:18):
connected to Echo Link so peoplecan get on it if they don't
have a radio.

Speaker 1 (01:48:23):
Okay, but so here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:48:24):
And that's technology .
I get it, but all the stuff youjust talked about.

Speaker 1 (01:48:27):
All the stuff you just talked about, though, is
all existing technology.
None of it's been improved upon.
I mean, yeah, we should speakthose extra steps to get those
components linked well right,but where's the beyond that?

Speaker 3 (01:48:39):
but this is right, I get that, but I'm saying right
now and today, the fact that ourrepeater is not on echo link,
well, the shit's broke, let'smove on that ship sailed man.
No, I get it I mean, I knowit's gone, but but that's a
problem that scares me becausethere's no reason it can't be on
there I will put it this way,I'll put your e at ease.

Speaker 1 (01:48:59):
It's.
It shouldn't be scary, becausethe folks, at least, that we
have put in as a club if we'retalking about a club and you're
aware of this we put people inplace that are supposed to make
those decisions and we as anexecutive team need to help
encourage moving those decisionsforward.
And that's really where I thinkin that example or an all-star
link or just.

Speaker 3 (01:49:17):
All of the above, all of it it should all be
available and it shouldn't justbe like we're just going to use
an analog repeater.

Speaker 1 (01:49:26):
And that's it, I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:49:27):
And again back 20, 30 years ago.
Great, yeah, that's awesome,we're awesome, we got a repeater
and we can communicate.
But now it's like you canexpand it even farther.
I mean, if I retire and move orpaul is wherever you are at,
are you still in indiana?

Speaker 2 (01:49:48):
yes, yeah, I'm in illinois illinois.

Speaker 3 (01:49:51):
Yeah sorry, yeah, you're in illinois.

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
I have no way of communicating via RF other than
HF to you guys back home, right.

Speaker 3 (01:50:02):
But if we were on Echo Link or All Star and you
were connected to that, I couldget on a repeater call out and
you could get back to me,whether it be on your phone,
your computer, whatever, and youand I could have a conversation
.
If I retire and move South, Iwant to still be connected to
our club, because this is ourclub.
And how do I do that if wedon't have it?

(01:50:25):
And that's where I think iswhere you're going to get people
more and more involved, becausepeople are going to be
spreading out and I think in thefuture people are going to be
moving because everything'sgoing to be remote.
Most jobs are going to be movingbecause everything is going to
be remote.
Most jobs are going to beremote, so people aren't going
to have to stay near the, themetropolitan areas, and they can
go live out in you know la laland up in the sticks of maine

(01:50:47):
on 100 acres and be bythemselves and have uncle elon's
internet and do whatever theywant.
But if they can't connect toanyone because they're you know
they don't have it, notconnected to the.
But if they can't connect toanyone because they're you know
they don't have it, notconnected to the internet or
they don't have all star or orwhatever it's it's, it becomes a
, it becomes kind of obsoleteand then people are going to

(01:51:11):
fade away.

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
That's where, like you know.
So I'm really disappointed thatHamshack Hotline is going away
Because, like I frequently willpull up, I mean literally on my
speed dial right on the fuckingphone.
East Coast Reflector System ismy number one speed dial Because

(01:51:35):
that's the speed dial that Iuse the most, because I I don't
have a way to get an rfconnection into the east coast
reflector system, but I likebeing able to communicate with
all of the people, whetherthey're on a hamshack hotline,
or whether they're on an httalking into a repeater, or

(01:51:57):
whether you know they'reconnecting to the system in some
other way.
Like having that versatility isso critical when you're on the
move and and I think that youknow people need to they need to
capitalize on all of the waysthat we can interconnect these

(01:52:20):
repeaters.

Speaker 1 (01:52:21):
So let me throw this out at you.
There's definitely kind of twocomponents to that.
I agree with everything youguys said.
The one thing that we aren'tdoing well right now is using
all the resources currently wehave available to us as hams in
the most efficient and uh, youknow best way in terms of reach.
The other piece of it is, Ithink, also something that todd

(01:52:43):
alluded to, with the whole vestuff and not proper training
and stuff is.
The same thing goes with all ofthe modes like all-star and dmr
and digital that you know one.
I'm tired of the, the fragmentedcrap that we all have, like
there should be something moreunified and there is tools like
m17 and things like that thatare trying to pioneer that stuff

(01:53:04):
.
But we as a organization needto make something more broad and
wide that a lot more people canall connect on along todd's
lines simple, easy, you knowit's know.
It's an on-off type of switch,it's an appliance kind of
function and you don't have tohave a degree in Linux to be
able to configure a smallAll-Star.
Now we shouldn't take thatpiece away, because I know there

(01:53:26):
are a lot of hams that lovethat and that's okay because
that helps iterate that stuff.
But the interfaces and thefunny thing is like All-Star is
an example.
They all-star as an example.
They learned and I'm watchingfreddie max videos a ham radio
crusader.
He's done a phenomenal jobeducating a lot of people on how
to use the newer versionsall-star and the new versions
all-star my gosh, they'refreaking phenomenal.
They're very easy, almost quickturnkey, how to get them loaded

(01:53:48):
, as long as you have a bunch ofthe small components to be able
to put it all together.
You know you can get somethingset up in 20 minutes, you know.
But the, the education of thatis, I think, where we fall short
as hams, because a lot of hamswe're all tinkerers, we all like
to do stuff and then we move onto the next thing.
We're never around to explainit a lot of times.
So the mentoring component thatI guess I'm alluding to it,

(01:54:10):
that's where I think we got todo more of.
So that falls more on our agegroup because we're playing with
it now.
So we should be teachingeverybody else and getting
everybody else on those and thenstart, you know, talking about
all the other stuff that we justdiscussed, like getting more on
repeaters, opening our, ourbase broad and wide, making all
of those capabilities andconnections to everybody and

(01:54:31):
stop, you know, building islandsand build a, you know, one big
giant.
You know, happy ham radio homethat everybody, no matter
worldwide, can all be a part of,which is, I think, a strength
and it's a challenge too,because varying degrees, but the
old folks that are part of thisgeneration, they have something
they can give.
They just need to understandhow they can give it.

(01:54:53):
I think a lot of times theyjust get grumpy and instead
helping them turn that shiparound and realizing, hey, you
can be good mentor, you canshare a little bit of something,
and I guarantee someone in myage will be more receptive to it
, versus saying, oh well, that'sjust bullshit, it shouldn't be
this way.
And we were, you know, we werepounding exactly, you know and
you know, and helping that.

(01:55:13):
I think that will help this goa long way.
And it's funny how this kind ofdovetailed into a more
philosophical approach, which istotally fine, but it's
definitely warranted for sure.
I'm sure a lot of folks are inthe same boats as us.
So, yeah, let's, let's put afull stop on this before we get
too crazy down the rabbit hole.

Speaker 2 (01:55:34):
Please let us know your thoughts though though.

Speaker 1 (01:55:37):
Yeah, awesome point Head over.
And where would we do that,paul?

Speaker 2 (01:55:41):
Oh, either the Discord send us an email, give
us a phone call, Is it978-233-1142?

Speaker 1 (01:55:51):
There it is.
Yep, he's got it.
Yeah, see, and if you want tocall Paul directly, call Boobs
and you'll get them and shareyour results with them
603-377-8008.
Feel free to give me a call yes,it's not a, you know, not a
sexy hotline.
You're just gonna get paul andleave your answer.
But yeah, head over to ourdiscord.

(01:56:12):
We'd love to have you know thisconversation because our
discord's been like I said, it'sbeen bonfire, all you know
active people been showing up.
So, yeah, let's keep this going.
I think it's important, youknow, to start those you know
conversations and you know maybethere's something we missed.
Maybe you have some like coollittle feature that'd be like
similar to my poda head to headstuff, or you know Paul's

(01:56:35):
Bluetooth capabilities for, youknow, integrating with gps and
all the other stuff in between.
So, yeah, let us know to throwit over the discord.
We'll, we'll definitely pickthis up again because I have a
feeling, uh, you know, we canexpand upon the because I think
you know we, we can glean somegood nuggets from the, the
generation gap and ham radio andhow to get, you know, more
youth involved, which which canbe a challenge for sure.

(01:56:57):
So, all right, well, let's wrapthis thing up here.
So, as always, we always saythis, but we always mean it from
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Thank you again for joining andhanging out and listen to
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(01:58:00):
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(01:58:22):
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Speaker 2 (01:59:56):
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