Ham Radio Innovations and the Call for Change

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Today we're going to talk about a four-letter word,
and it ain't the word.
Next, on Live Free and Ham.
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one.
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my co-hosts, and I'm with myco-hosts.
It's Paul.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
And Juan OG and Todd W1STJ Very manly deep voice
there, todd, all right.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
So, as always, before we get into our usual topic for
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right.
Well, if you've been diving intohere, I mean my gosh, my
scripts all over the map today Ihave no idea what's going on

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here.
So let's oh, no, actually now Iknow why I put this in there.
This is a special thing becausethis is kind of threw me a
curve here.
Well, you know, if you alwayshave been paying attention and
this is not so much a part ofour regular stuff here, but you
know you've been payingattention you know that our ham
radio is the hobby of a thousandhobbies and everything that we
do encompasses and interweavesitself into other cooler hobbies

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.
So, as you all know, one of ourgreat hosts here, paul N10G, has
taken a significant step bypursuing a skydiving license.
So he's going for his Class Asignificant step by pursuing a
skydiving license.
So he's going for his class Aand so, as many of you are aware
, you know we might've beenalluding to how it'd be really
cool we should get a you knowGoFundMe going and you know how,
and and so forth and so on.
And we've had a couple oflisteners reach out to us and go
hey, how can I help support,you know, that effort?

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Because we know that once Paulgets his class A, two things are
going to happen.
One, we're going to be have ahell of a lot more radio
contacts from, you know,aeronautical uh mobile there.
And two, you know one of us Idon't know who will be might
actually go tandem with themsomeday.
I did not say who or why orwhen, but you know one of us
might.

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We'll see how it goes.
But uh, you know we, we would beso lucky if one of our you know
we would be so lucky if one ofour you know tried and true live
free and ham hosts finallybecome class A certified, and
he's already jumping now becausehis video camera is
disappearing.
There we go, so you can headover now and we'll make sure
it's in the show notes of everyshow going forward.

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Is that, you know link thereand you can always go over there
and support Paul If you want tohelp him out, get his Class A
license.
The GoFundMe link is in ourdescription below and it will be
on our website as well so youcan go check that out.
So share the love if you wantto be part of that and get Paul
in the friendly skies quicklyand so we can start getting some

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really good video footage there.
That's how you can help supporthim there.
We appreciate everybody that'sshown you can help support them
there and we appreciateeverybody that's shown the
support so far and we thank you,guys, as always.
Alright, so now we get into ourregular segments and horrifying

(07:41):
news story.
Everybody we got some news.
Slow down, boog, let me handlethis.
We've got some news.
I've got bad news and bad news.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
I have reviewed ship's personnel Captain.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Congratulations, you've got mail, all right.
Well, this is our usual reviewmailbag segment, todd.
Take it away, sir, what we got.
Hello, todd, anybody homeMailbox Empty, so so uh the
mailbox this week was emptynothing, nada, nothing well,

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with that.
We know, you know people getbusy.
But come on, guys, we want tohear from you.
Todd loves doing this segment.
I love hearing todd do thissegment.
So you know, come on.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Step up to the plate, and I don't get to do this
segment very often.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
No, I don't get a lot of news, so no, definitely when
it is, we might have to make awhole show out of it.
We keep getting it.
We want to drag it on, just toget the point driven home here.
But yeah, come on, people, weknow you got the stuff going on
you.
But yeah, come on, people, youknow we, we know you got the
stuff going on.
You must love the show, we, we.
We've heard people talk about alive free and ham.
So you know, come, come, tellus how you really feel, just

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introduce yourself, come, hangout.
You know whatever you know.
So Todd actually has somethingto share with us, because we
want to hear your stories andTodd wants to share it.
So simple as that.
Can I be any more nicer andpolite?
Can I be any more nicer andpolite?

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, we haven't made it until we get all the hate
mail.
That's what I'm waiting for?

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, exactly when we get to fembots or automated AI
start sending us requests.
Well, soon enough, man, soonenough, all right.
Well, with that, then let'skick into our next segment.
I just shifted out of gearshere, doing good, good.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
Doing good.
You do, that's good.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Do good, do good.
You're doing good, good, good,good, good, absolutely I do Good
, good.
I'm doing good, bob, doing realgood, and right now my only
outlet is my ham radio.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Well, so before we dive into this segment, I just
saw in our private back channelchat.
Did you want to run the videoanyway, Because I think it's a
cool video for Todd's littlesegment.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
Oh no, the jingle is for the phone number.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Oh, for the phone number.
Okay, well, run for the phonenumber.
Either way, man, my friend,kick it off.
This is produced by the one andonly N1OG, and so if anybody's
been on his regular channel,you'll know that he's got his
own POTA country song that heplays continuously all the time.
I'm beginning to, like you know, looking for the single and the

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release eventually soon.
So you know he's producedsomething for us over here at
Live Free and Ham for our jingle.
So take it away, mr N1OG.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
All right, If you didn't know which phone number
to call.
Now you will Live free and ham.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
You know you can Join the fun, be the biggest fan,
Call that number and lend an ear.
Live free and ham.

(11:12):
It's crystal clear, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Wow, that is awesome.
I love that.
That was totally awesome.
Nice job, my friend, nice job,and you, as our listeners, get
to listen to that.
Every episode going forward now, I don't care, come on.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
It's all for it.
And to get the full effect, goon YouTube and watch it.
It's quite classic.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Totally Well worth the effort.
Well worth the effort, nice job.
Round of applause.
I've got to get my applause keyup here.
Dang it, I'm way beyond.
Oh no, it's broken.
There we go.
Hey, you beat me to it.
There we go.
Apparently, all my audio clipsare all screwed up here today.
I don't know Whatever.
It's all technical difficultiesall around the house.
All right, well, with that,we'll dive back into our doing

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good.
All like to aspire to do goodin ham radio.
So whether you're assistingduring a disaster, providing
communications for that localroad race that you see every
year, or hosting a pod, you know, we, we.
So we're just going to raiseour fists at this point and say

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bring on the good deeds, myfriend.
No more Will we allow the, thebad actors, the bad voices, to
take over our fun, especially inthe ham radio.
And so the way you can do thatnow is you can share a story
with us over here at live freeand ham.
We are giving you the floor,the podium, to be able to share
your first ham radio experienceyou might've had with a total

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stranger, while you're maybeactivating a park, or maybe you
were teaching a student or afamily member or your neighbor
about the coolness of ham radio,or you got to demonstrate to a
new technician the thrills of HFat the next winter field day or
summer field day, whatever.
So we want to hear about it.
You know, take pen to paper,you know, send us an email.

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There are many ways to do that.
And so what we're going to dois we're going to demonstrate to
you that we actually have folksthat are sharing stories.
So our, our fan base, our truededicated fan base, has once
again come to our rescue.
Carlos, once again, man, he isan overachiever.
He's brought another, you know,good doing good uh episode.

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So, carlos, those that mightknow him over, uh, at life, at
terminal velocity, if youhaven't subscribed to his
channel, you need to head overthere and check him out, um, and
become a subscriber.
But he comes in clutch thisweek, uh, with this one, and and
I am thoroughly impressed withit, he says the Fort Wayne Allen
country clubs, county clubs,not country clubs, because we're

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not talking golf here, we'retalking about ham radio.
The Fort Wayne Allen countyclubs, ham radio clubs, have one
common newsletter.
They get together, they sliceup everybody's club entries and
then it's sent out monthly toall of the membership base
across all of the the clubs andthis way the respective club
members know about what theother clubs are doing and when,

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and it makes collaboration wayeasier, which is an awesome idea
that I think alone a lot ofclubs can learn how to be able
to support each other andrealize that not one club has a
corner of the market.
All of us do ham radio guys.
Nobody does anything special.
We might do it something alittle differently, but, dude,
we're all part of the biggerorganization is ham radio.
So I applaud these guys forputting together an awesome you

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know group uh count uh, clubnewsletter effort uh, because we
all know newsletters are atough to do, especially if
you're a newsletter person.
Every month I try to findcontent to keep it fun and
interesting, but these guys aredoing it the right way and so we
applaud them.
We appreciate you, carlos, forsharing that idea and hopefully

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maybe it invigorates you to kindof take that to your clubs and
the clubs around your area totry it out.
So with that, as he says, youknow, both ideas need to spread,
and he was talking about hisidea from our last episode, um
and uh.
You can go back to that andreplay and check that out.
But ultimately he says, youknow, to spread across our hobby
.
He says he wants less saltyeight, 80 meter ass hattery.

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That is a quote.
Less salty, 80 meter asshattery that is a quote.
That is his quote.
None of this information isdirectly related by Live Free
and Ham and is owned by therespective owners.
We'll put that little taglineat the bottom and so more should
be working together to grow thehobby and I agree 120% there,
carlos, and again thanks forsharing such an awesome, do good

(15:43):
episode and we appreciate youknow contributing.
So with that, I'm good withthat.
How about you guys?

Speaker 4 (15:50):
sounds good.
I think that's fantastic, yep alot a lot, I won't.
I won't go into, uh, I won't gointo my tirade on uh, on clubs
and the the recent uh youYouTube videos about clubs.
Oh, yes, yeah, I'll, I'll savethat.
I'll save that for for aspecial, a special one-on-one

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podcast rant.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
He'll charge you for it too.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
Coming to you soon.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
There we go.
We got a topic for next week,all right.
Well, how about you, todd?
I think it's an impressiveattempt to build the
connectivity versusdisconnection.
Say that again.
I won't say it again because Ihave no idea what the hell I was
saying.
Hey, what did you think of me,the guy?

Speaker 2 (16:45):
turns 50 and he starts losing losing.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
We don't even know what he's talking about when I,
when I go off script, I reallygo off script.
That's just the way, the way itworks here.
My friend, all right.
Well, all I was there saying islike, what were your thoughts
on it?
Do you approve?
Sure, okay, excellent, allright, well, with that I am, you
know, gonna tie this one upwith a bow.

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Um, so how can you share your uhdo good with us?
Well, there are obviously threeeasy ways.
You can always head over, leaveus a voicemail at 9, 7, 8, 2, 3
, 3, 1, 1, 4, 2.
And I would have him play thatjingle one more time, but I
think we have a three hourepisode, but you know I was
still awesome jingle, so it's agood way to remember the number.
You can always head over tolive free and hamcom forward

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slash, do good, all one word.
There's a nice easy form there.
You can fill it in and we'll behappy to read it on the next
episode.
Or if you're one of those typea dedicated folks and we have a

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few in our midst that havesubmitted in the past um, and we
thank you guys again for doingthat but you can be a win link,
be a win man.
Well, I guess the beer istalking tonight via win link hf.
Send us an email and do we haveone?
No, we don't have one, do we?
Okay?
All right, cool, yeah, so youcan send paul and only Paul Hear
me, paul and only Paul N1OG ishis call sign A WinLink email
with your Do Good episode andthat secures you a spot at any

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one of our future livestreamepisodes.
So we will reach out to you.
Coordinate that.
If you want to come on, we'dlove to have you on and it's
just a way of saying thank youfor taking the effort to use
technology like WinLink and HamRadio and show us how it's done.
So with that, thank you againfor everybody who's contributed

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to the Do Good episode.
We appreciate this and it's afun little episode.
We love all doing within LiveFree and Ham and we're going to
continue to do it because wewant to show the good stuff that
happens in Ham Radio.
None of this ass-hattery.
So now we are into our nextepisode and with great joy I get

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to.
And now a little something extrawith todd w1stj.
All right, for those that areon our podcast episode, you

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obviously don't get to see allof the time the sweat, the tears
, the blood, everything inbetween, the you know other
samples that have been donatedto creating the new banner for
Todd with the new submission ofphotos.
Now I have to throw a littleasterisk caveat, because he sent
me a photo way back but it wascrap because I couldn't.

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Every time I tried to edit outthe background, I had a bitch of
a time because it would chopoff its head every time.
So I had to have him resend mea video.
But he came through and clutchand sent me one uh video,
another photo, and therefore wehave got a new photo, uh, for
Todd's uh.
So a little something extra.
So if you want to check thatout, you can always head over to
our YouTube channel and checkit out.

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That on this episode.
So with that, as we always knowyep, you've heard it here this
is where we help Todd study forhis extra class license.
Each episode we pick threequestions from the extra class
pool to test his knowledge andhope he gets his upgrade.
Please I hope soon.
All right, so if that we'd likeyou to follow along, you can
always head over to hamstudyorg.

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It's a great resource to helpyou prepare your test.
It is recommended by three outof four volunteer examiners,
because the AARL was notavailable for comment, but we'll
get into that.
We'll tell you why.
The what.
The four-letter word that werefuse to talk about, though,
shall not be named Without anyfurther ado.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
The that we refuse to talk about, though, shall not
be named Without any furtherdelay, the A-A-R-L.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
You can call it whatever you want.
So, with any further delay,I'll hand it over to our
V-Quizmaster.
P-a-u-l.
Go ahead, take it.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
Alright, todd, so we're sticking with sub-element
number seven.
Question number one for theevening what is the purpose of a
step start circuit in a highvoltage power supply?
Is it A to provide a dualvoltage output for reduced power
applications.
B to prevent arcing across theinput power switch or relay

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contacts.
C to prevent arcing across theinput power switch or relay
contacts.
C to allow the filtercapacitors to charge gradually,
or D to compensate forvariations of the incoming line
voltage?

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Hmm, I think I know this one.
I'm going to go with C to allowthe filter capacitors to charge
gradually.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
This I remember from my basic electronics in high
school, so it is C.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yes, it is, don't let air Perfect so it is C.
Yes, it is Woo-hoo.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Don't let Eric fool you.
He didn't know that answer.
He's just following my lead.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
No, Whatever I?

Speaker 2 (22:15):
did.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
I did, I did.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
So the explanation a step-start circuit gradually
increases the voltage applied tofilter capacitors.
The reason we use this circuitis to avoid putting the full
voltage on the capacitor all atonce.
If we were to put the fullvoltage on the capacitor all at

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once, it might fail literallylet the smoke out or at least
result in a decrease of thecapacitor's useful life.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Raja, raja, raja Excellent.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
All right off to a good start.
Question number two which ofthe following is generally true
of finite impulse responsefilters?
Is it A?
Fir filters are easier toimplement for a given set of
passband roll-off requirements.

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B FIR filters can respondfaster to impulses.
Filters can respond faster toimpulses.
C FIR filters can delay allfrequency components of the
signal by the same amount.
Is it D?
All of these choices arecorrect.
Ooh.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Ooh, I hate when they throw all the choices because
that could be an option.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
It could be, but it might not be.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
I'm going to go with D.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
I'm going to go with B.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
D is incorrect.
B is also incorrect.
Oh, I thought it was A.
No, the correct answer is C.
Fir filters can delay allfrequency components of the
signal by the same amount.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Well, I learned something new.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
So we've got a very thorough explanation here.
But finite impulse response FIRfilters and infinite impulse
response IIR filters are bothdiscrete time filters.
But one major difference is theIIR filters include a feedback
path, whereas the FIR filters donot.

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So without feedback, the effectof any input signal cannot
persist longer than the fixeddelay of the filter, so input
samples are treated equally.
A stupid test hint.
A finite value is a fixedamount, so you should pick the
answer with the word amount init.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Sure Amount, got it Amount.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
All right.
Well, you're 50%, so we'll see.
Here's the third and finalquestion of the night what is a
frequency discriminator?
Is it A an automatic bandswitching circuit, B a circuit
for filtering closely adjacentsignals, C an FM generator

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circuit, or D, a circuit fordetecting FM signals?

Speaker 2 (25:48):
I'm going to go with D, a circuit for detecting FM
signals.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
I'm going to go with B.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
C is correct, I'm sorry.
D is correct.
So it is a circuit fordetecting and so, as we all
should know right, FM stands forfrequency modulation and is a
method for sending an audiosignal by modulating the
frequency of the signal.
Thus, the circuit that detectsthe FM signal is called a

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frequency discriminator, orsometimes a frequency detector.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Go back to the question.
There was no FM in the question, was there?
Yeah, there was no FM, so howcan they say it's FM specific?
That's not fair.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
There's FM in the answer.
True.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Listen, paul wrote that question and authorized it,
so blame him.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
The whole back revolves around Paul.
He's the V for our club, notfor the United.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
States.
I blame him for everything.
There you go.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
Well, you know, Todd, you did get two out of three.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
What do you have to say for yourself, my friend?

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Well, it was a lot better than last week.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
It was.
I'm getting better.
Yeah, well, you know, you havethese ebbs and flows like weeks
you go straight 3 for 3's allthe time, shooting a thousand,
batting a thousand.
And then weeks, you know, speedbump of the road.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
Totally fine, it's all good you missed out, though,
todd, because we had a Vsession yesterday.
You could have, you could havedone it, but you didn't study it
enough.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
If this segment goes for the next six months.
Todd, we are going to livestream your VE testing session.
That's all.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Listen, I've got what ?
Three more years before itchanges.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
No, you don't.
No, you don't.
We'll have to have a GoFundMeto get you to freaking, get your
ass in there and start takingthe test.
I don't think I can keepplugging through these questions
.
Well, you should probably takethe test again because it seems
like you get more wrong than Ido and I dude google's failed me

(28:28):
three or four times at least.
So hey, what does that tell you?

Speaker 4 (28:32):
you only have to pass one exactly right through that.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
So let's wrap this up .
So if you're on the journey ofstudying your technician,
general or extra class license,like todd, in that case
handstudyorg is an awesomeresource for getting your ticket
, and if you haven't checked outthe episode, you can always
head over to our back catalogand check out that episode that
we had with Signal Stuff andRichard and Ben.
Those guys were great and itwas a fun episode to have them

(28:56):
on and talk about all of thegreat products that they are
doing over there, which I haveactually some good news to
report that I finally bought astupid signal stick.
Like I've been a ham for morethan four years, but four years
at least, you know, from afterCOVID and I didn't have a signal
stick at all.
I felt like very out of it.
Yeah, I know, sad isn't it?
I finally got one.
I don't know, dude, I justdidn't.

(29:19):
You know I knew of them and Iknew them well, but I just
didn't.
I finally went over there andclicked the button.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
The best HT antenna you can get.
I mean, look at how awesome itis, you can loop it around and
then you undo it.
It goes right back to itsoriginal shape.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Your swatch is as big as mine.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
Did you buy the BNC one?
Yes, I did.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Or did you buy it?
No one, yes, I did.
Or did you buy it?
No, I did.
I learned from my friends there.
They helped me spend my moneywisely this time.
And I did buy the bnc connector, so the sma to bnc, with a
little rubber grommet andeverything.
I didn't splurge and buy thecounterpoise because I felt like
, eh, probably not going to needit.
But you know, I bought theantenna and that bnc connector,
so now I just need to convertthe rest of my radio so that bnc
style I well, I didn't get thebnc connector.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
Well you bought it early, if you're, if you're
clever enough, you can make yourown little counterpoise with uh
, with a ring terminal.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
That's exactly what I was thinking.
I was thinking I believe Benand Richard spent a lot of care
and time and effort creating theright diameter of ring to fit
over the top of that.
But there's nothing.
I can't take a drill there andhone that out to create my own
little counterpoise.
And I have plenty of wire outthe wazoo, out the back, I think

(30:42):
.
In that case I was okay with it.
I'll buy definitely a lot morein terms of antennas and stuff.
So, uh, that's definitely comingyour way, richard, and we
appreciate you and everythingyou guys do over at signal stuff
.
So, you know, go over there andsupport those guys.
They do an awesome job.
They help the ham radiocommunity both with uh, ham ham
tools and uh, sorry, exam tools,not ham tools and a handbook

(31:03):
now.
So, if you actually haven'tpaid attention, handbook is a
great now online resource thatthey're putting out, that
they're playing around with,which is a great um addendum, or
in addition to, I should say,uh, of all of the whys of you
know when the exam questionskick out.
So, like, if you want to learnmore about certain like the FM
discriminators, he'll go into avery plain English and probably

(31:25):
tell you exactly everything youneed to know.
So you have a better, clearerunderstanding.
So you know great, greatresources that those guys are
creating.
So we appreciate them and thankuh, you know them for doing all
the cool stuff that they do.
So and lastly, you know ifyou've received your license or
you've upgraded, and I knowthere's a bunch of you know
we've been privy.
You know, this week we just hada VE session at our club and we

(31:48):
had what?
Five guys upgrade?
Yeah, five, six, six total.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
We had two upgrades.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yeah, well, you, you, you can fill it in.
I'm not the V guy.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
Yeah, so, uh, one one gentleman, uh, he, he passed
his technician.
Um, but the the people that hedid his test with do everything
the old fashioned way by snailmail.
Oh, that's tough.
And so, yeah, so he he, uh he,he sent me an email before the

(32:29):
test session and he said hey,listen's like I passed my tech.
He's like, but it's gonna beprobably like three, four weeks
before I get a call sign.
That's painful, like yeah so sohe was like I really want to
test for my general, he's like,but can I bring me a copy of
your cse, your certificate ofsuccessful completion?
Uh, and I will apply the creditand then we will submit all of
your paperwork electronically.

(32:50):
And so it's probably going tohit the FCC before it's tech.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
They're going to be like what the hell is this
Awesome?
Well, way to step in there, man, and help him out, to finally
get him on the air.
So good job to you.
Kudos, thumbs up and a Pat onthe back there, sir, you are the
remarkable VEs that we alwaysexpect you guys to be, and nice
job with using exam tools tocome to the rescue.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
Exam tools for the win.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Very much so.
So, if you've gotten yourtechnician, or maybe you've
upgraded, we have, in the past,have always wanted to celebrate
with you.
So, you know, feel free to sendus an email livefreeandham at
gmailcom.
Let us know you got yourupgrade, let us know you became
a technician and you knew thehammer, your hobby, and we will
celebrate with you and we'llgive you a five seconds of fame

(33:38):
here to be able to let everyoneknow who you are and your call
sign and you know, tell you, youknow, hey, we celebrate with
you and we love uh, you knowthat you're coming into the
hobby and you know we want tohelp, support you as any way we
can.
Um, so, and we'll make sure wesubmit that on our next show.
So, with that, all right, let'sget into the usual stuff, as

(33:58):
always, guys.
So with our usual format, letme ask you what's's been going
on in your ham-ready week, paul?

Speaker 4 (34:06):
Well, let's see, I went to a birthday party this
week.
I was kind of ham-related.
Oh, okay, wow.
It was at a brewery thatsomebody really liked.
Oh, congratulations there, thebig 5-0.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Bastard Get off my lawn.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
But yeah, so otherwise, let's see.
I got my SDR software workingagain.
I did a little bit of uh cwpractice.
I'm getting my call sign reallywell now.
Uh, that's about all I can do.
That's about all I can hear.
That's about all I can I cansend is my call sign.
But nice, it's something.

(34:57):
Okay, it's a step in the rightdirection.
Good, um, let's see what else.
Uh, I I got a whole bunch of ofprojects and things going on,
uh, ham radio related that arein the works.
I I just gotta, I just gottakick myself in the ass and start
actually getting some thingsdone.
But uh, you know otherwise, Iguess you know it was, it was a,

(35:20):
it was a good ham radio weekand uh, glad to be here on the
podcast.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
We're glad to have you on, as always, and you know
good.
Good on that, you know.
And again I thank you for Todd,first and foremost spreading
the love to let everybody knowthat it was my birthday, because
you know it would have been alonely.
You know not that Todd and Idon't hang out already, but you
know it would have been verylonely and you'd have to hang
out with the rest of my family.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Well, let's talk about how the birthday started
at Prest.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Oh, yeah, god.
So I'll circle back, or youcould throw it in your ham radio
week, since you were the one tokick the damn thing off.
So with that, todd, how wasyour ham radio week?

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Well, I was at this so-called kind of ham party, and
before that the club onWednesdays meets at Press Cafe.
Is that what it's called, pressCafe?
Yes, sir, for our morningweekly breakfast.
It happened to be Eric'sbirthday that day and kind of
spread the word.
I believe it was Tim KC1, qdk,our buddy there who decided to

(36:23):
stand up and start singing HappyBirthday.
Then this family next to usstarted singing and everyone.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
It was a whole bunch of random women and I think at a
table adjacent to us, which abunch of other guys started.
I'm like the whole store wassinging.
I'm like, oh my gosh yeah, youlaugh.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
So then I.
So then I tell I, I say to eric, I go so, uh, what are you
doing tonight?
He goes, oh, you know, I thinkwe, we might be going out, you
know, just the family, uh, Idon't know nothing big.
I'm like all right, well, havefun, we'll see you Talk to you
later.
And then, like we all showed upand then I forgot, like, so I

(37:05):
went through and Like I justassume he would be there anyway.
So I'm like, oh shit.
So I, I text him.
While you were saying goodbyeto him, I said, hey, I totally
forgot to tell you.
But we're going to the, we'regoing to the brewery.
Do you want to?
Can you meet us there?
And he's like oh yeah, I'll bethere.
So it was good, it was, it waspretty cool.
It was good, it was pretty cool, it was good to see everyone.

(37:27):
I think Eric was a littlesurprised when people just
started walking in.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Before I kick it off, anything you want to add?

Speaker 2 (37:37):
No, that's it Go ahead, Eric.
How was your week for Ham Radio?

Speaker 1 (37:42):
I figured I'd give you a little lead in there.
Thank you, my ham radio week.
Well, my ham radio was great,man.
You know, I, I, um, I like Isaid, or these guys have said,
I'm turning 50.
I kind of alluded to it in oneof my past like few hiking
videos.
A while back I had a littletail segment.
If you stuck out to the veryend you'd realize me huffing and
puffing and the other guys werelike miles ahead of me.
Um, you know, I mentioned I wasgoing to turn 50.

(38:05):
So, yeah, I, it's kind of funny, Cause like I didn't expect any
, you know, kind of like pre,you know kind of anything to go
on throughout the day andwhatever.
And I knew my wife was going tohave something planned at the
brewery, but I didn't.
I think it was going to kind ofbe more intimate with the
family.
But I remember like months agothat just kind of you know, it
really only got set off when yousaid you know, hey, what are

(38:28):
you doing after?
And I said, oh, I'm just goingout with family.
And you were like that, was itdone?
Like you didn't pursue anyfurther, like you know deeper
into the conversation of like oh, you when you go to a brewery,
like you just kind of like cutit off and you were like, okay,
back on the next conversation.
And then, you know, thisknucklehead to my left here or
right, depending on which wayyou're looking at texts me a
happy birthday on Discord.
And then he's like oh, what areyou doing?

(38:49):
I said, oh, probably going to abrewery with the family.
He's like oh, that's great andthat's it.
And I'm like what the fuck'sgoing on?
Both of these guys I knowbetter.
They would be like oh, dude,you know, my wife's like we got
to get cold, we got to get outof the house.
You know like, and I'm like allright, well, that's, that's,
that's really.

(39:10):
Either I'm going to see myfamily show up or, you know,
there's going to be somethingmore than that.
And I got my family to show upon top of that.
And so it was just really cool,as it was kind of funny because,
like, literally walked by thefront of the window at the
brewery and my favorite breweryif anybody's ever in the New
Hampshire area, you know headover to uh, to spy glass brewery

(39:30):
, phenomenal beers, awesomeplace, great food, the whole
nine yards.
If you're looking for anawesome brewery.
That's a great, great place togo.
But on top of that, a couple ofpeople walk by that front
window and I'm like wait aminute.
And then, you know, at thatpoint, you know Tim show.
I see Tim miles away becausehe's still wearing the G Sarah
like beanie hat that he had onthat morning, you know pressed,

(39:51):
and I'm like, oh, there's Timand his wife.
And then Ryan shows up and thenTodd shows it.
You know, the whole crew startscoming in and and I dude, I,
you know I was blessed, I wastotally excited to have all you
guys here and I appreciate youboth coming to hang out.
Ryan as well.
Ryan definitely brought hiswife along and you know we, we
had a lot of good beers, a lotof good conversation, you know,
talked a lot of ham radio and Ithank you guys both for coming

(40:13):
to hang out.
It definitely uh, warmed, uh,you know my heart and I, you
know, I, you know, consider youguys both as great, true friends
.
So thank you again for comingto hang out with my 50th did you
?

Speaker 2 (40:23):
did you see?
Tim left his gloves on thetable.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
He did.
Did you see those things?
Yeah, I did.
Did you see those?

Speaker 2 (40:29):
things.
Like honestly, they look likesomething like you would do like
an archeological dig, like acaveman would have.
They're fingerless gloves,they're all shredded on the
inside with holes in them, andthen you know how the fingerless
gloves have.
Like the, you can make it likea mitten Flip up.
Yep, right, well, the threadcame out, so he's got it safety

(40:52):
pinned.
That's him and Kim, his wife islike I've been trying to get
him to throw those things awayforever.
So then that Friday was ourclub meeting and sure enough he
had himself like now, don'tforget these gloves, tim, I go.
They may not make it back outof here.
If you leave them here, thechair might just toss them.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
They might get the rags or something, but you know
what?

Speaker 2 (41:15):
I told I had a pair of fingerless gloves that I wore
until they like literally justkind of disintegrated, like they
got so thin, and I just keptusing them.
One day the whole palm of itwas gone, it was just dropped.
I'm like I get it, tim, butmaybe I think maybe next year
for Christmas or his birthdayI'm going to get him a new pair

(41:37):
of fingerless gloves with themitt.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
But we know Tim, we roasted his shack.
What does he have hanging mostof his radios from Zip ties.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
We've all seen it.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
We all know what Tim does.
He's very resourceful at all ofhis use.
He's true hamgenuity at hisfinest.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
We applaud him, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Yeah, it was awesome.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
He goes oh, thanks for getting those gloves.
I've had these gloves for awhile.
I'm like, yeah, I can tell I'vehad these gloves for like, yeah
, I can tell Forever, they'reawesome though.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Cool, yeah.
So I'll tell you that I didplay a little ham radio, but I
can't remember what it was.
The 50th birthday was the icingon the cake all week, and you
know.
And we had our club meeting onFriday, which was pretty cool to
be able to hang out witheverybody.
And you know we are.
I don't know about you guys,but our club is freaking taken
off.
We literally had five newmembers show up and all five are
like I got to be part of thisclub and they're like you know,

(42:32):
literally it was like a firesale.
It was more like a black Fridaysale for membership, because
everybody's like at my doorstep,like during middle of the club
break, all want to fill out theform, all need to get, like,
membership.
Today I'm like, dude, no rush.
It's like you know you're aclub member, it's not a big deal
, you know we'll get there.
They're all super excited to dostuff.
So you know it's really cool tosee some of that.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Well, we just we had a new guy today on the net from
Bo.
He just came back fromCalifornia.
He was surrounded by fire.
He said Wow.
And he, yeah, he.
He said he's never been on thisnet before.
I don't know how he heard aboutus, but who knows?
But he's.
I said he's, oh, I'm going tojoin it again so maybe we'll get
a new member out of him.
But he told us I mean by thetime this airs, hopefully those

(43:12):
fires will be long gone and inrecovery.
But there is a, a website and Ichecked it out.
It's called firecagov and ithas all the updated, latest
information on all the fires incalifornia, past and present and
current.
So but he said he was in, likehe was in North Hollywood.
He says he was surrounded byfire.

(43:32):
He goes.
It's pretty unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Yeah, dude, our hearts go out to those folks and
all those families out there.
The devastation and crazinessthat's going on out there, it's
just unfathomable.
I can only, I can't imaginelike, just like level
neighborhoods here around whereI live, level to the ground.
I mean that's just somind-blowing.
So you know, our hearts go outto you guys.
You know, and, uh, there'splenty of resources and you know

(43:57):
places you can donate and helpout there.
So you know, make sure youreach out to those folks and
those entities, you knowagencies to, to be able to help
the rebuild process, becauseit's going to be a long road and
once they finally they got goodchallenges of it under control,
but they're still working on it.
So you know we'll definitely,you know, give our prayers and
thoughts with them and, you know, definitely help out if you can
and have that you know thoseresources.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
Oh, while you're at it, don't forget about Hawaii.
Hawaii got literally burnt tothe ground.
Oh, yes, the whole freakingisland.
And yeah, they got $750 fromthe government, so they need
more help than California.
At least California, like thegovernment, said hey, we'll take
care of you for the next sixmonths.
The poor people in Hawaii, theygot $750.

(44:43):
That sucks.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
That totally sucks.
And then there's still thepeople out in North Carolina too
.
Still, yeah, there's still someplaces they said there's still
no power.
It's just terrible.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
That is so mind-blowing.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
We really FEMA and the government and whatever we
need to come up with a betteremergency plan for these natural
disasters.
People should not be.
I mean, if I was president,executive order no money goes
anywhere outside this countryuntil all these other people are
taken care of.
You know, it's just crazy theamount of money we we throw out

(45:21):
to the rest of the world and wedon't even take care of our own
kind of uh well, you heard ithere, it's todd newman for
president 2028 it's our goodsegment.
Here I'm starting a new party.
It's called the common senseparty.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
So if you want to, you want someone with some
common sense, I'll throw acouple of dollars in for you.
That way you can make more thanjust that.
Go fund me, common sense, we'regonna solve our first problem
here before before we get yourunning for candidacy, we've got
to get Paul out of a plane andin the air and getting his Class
A because If you make mepresident, I will let Paul jump

(45:58):
out of Air Force One.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
There you go.
Alright, so we get theshort-term plan of skydiving by
June, and then we've got theshort-term plan of of skydiving
by June, and then we got thefour-year plan of skydiving out
of air force.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
One oh, my gosh, I can only imagine that one we're
just getting.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
we're just going to get Todd elected.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
I feel like I'm literally watching an episode.
Have you ever seen the the AdamSandler episode of the eight
bit Sandler episode of the 8-bitWas it 8-bit?
Where his friend, the other guy, is actually president and he
goes in to hang out?
Do you see that movie?
I can't think of the name ofthe movie.
Ah man, it's all about arcadegames.
You ever see that one?
Oh man, it's escaping me at themoment.

(46:38):
I'm going to have to watch itnow.
I think, it's called ArcadeAdam Sandler.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Paul, when I become president, you can come anytime
you want out of Air Force One.
You can jump out.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
It's called Pixels you ever see Pixels?
Watch it on.
It's probably on Netflix or anyone of those streaming services
.
Phenomenal movie.
But bottom line is that all theguys he usually has in all of
his other Adam Sandler movies,the one of the guys who's also
has the TV show that Shoot Ican't think of his name.

(47:10):
Let me find it.
Man, my brain is on fog here.
Let me grab.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
The Happy Madison crew is relatively small.
You've got Rob Schneider.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Who's the big guy who ?
I can't think of his name.
Let me just pull it up realquick.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Rob Scheid is like in every film he's ever been in.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
I think he's got like some cameo or something let me
do it here, imdb real quick.
Here I can pull it up, you cando it.
Kevin James, that's who I wasthinking of.
So Kevin James is in it.
He's the president.
Adam Sandler goes in.
When they get attacked by, theysend a.
I'm going to watch this.

(47:54):
They send a time capsule outinto space and it has all of the
arcade games that we played askids in the 80s.
They send all of the arcadegames out there.
Aliens come back to Earth totry to attack us, but they're
attacking us using the eight bitversions of the games.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
So characters and all that yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
So you've seen it.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
I did see that it's like.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
again, kevin James is the president of the United
States and Adam Sandler gets tobe his best friend, so I was
like dude, that's like a totallike relationship I can, but
yeah, it was a cool movie.
Anyway, that was a long way toget there, I don't know whatever
.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
It's all right when, todd's president, we're going to
put a 150-foot tower behind theWhite House with some
directional beams and yaggies.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
We'll have an antenna farm, not just a tower.
We're going to go where dopresidents usually go out in the
Midwest?
Where's Camp David?
We'll put like 8 to 10 towersout there, because that's all
flat land and mountains.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Is it Camp David?
Like in Maryland?
It's like close to the WhiteHouse.
It's like in the woods, likethe mountains or something.
No, we're going to turn theWhite House into Ham Radio, ham
Radio, ham Radio Central, wholeantenna farm.
You're right.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
It'll be the new Ham Radio Clubhouse.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Yeah, you're right here, Jay.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
You're going to be streaming from the White House,
from the Oval Office, the OvalOffice, the Clubhouse Office,
totally Awesome.
Sure, we have to get on theplane and head to the, you know,
head to China for theconference.
Yeah, hold on one second.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Can we?

Speaker 2 (49:32):
do a loop around.
Paul's got to jump.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
For all of our podcast listener audience.
Paul has now changed hisbackground to the white house.
He's already preparing and itgoes great with his lip frame,
half lip free and hat beanie,because it literally stands out
prominent behind the curtain.
So go check out the video onour youtube channel and just see
what we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Uh, all right, well with uh, enough of this topic
today, eric.
What are we talking about?

Speaker 1 (49:59):
our topic today is a four-letter word.
My friend, you know one of ourlast episodes that we talked
about we, we kind of got intomemberships and talking about
club memberships and the ARLmemberships and all that other
stuff.
So if you haven't caught thatepisode, head back to that
episode, because I I say when weleft that we got pretty
hardcore in terms of talkingabout the ARL.

(50:19):
I mean, they got Paul fired up,it got me a little fired up and
I know Todd was in that sameboat, so it kind of got me
thinking I'm like it got me alittle fired up and I know Todd
was in that same boat, so itkind of got me thinking I'm like
, dude, maybe we need to have alittle discussion about the ARRL
.
We need to just be open andhonest.
But more so, let's not justbash them.
Let's think about, like, okay,how can we phrase this?
That if tomorrow, all of asudden, mitzner decides to step
down and give one of us threetotal control over the ARRL,

(50:47):
what the heck would you do tomake ARL better?
And you know there's a lot ofavenues and things.
But you know I'm curious what?
What are your top three thingsas candidacy CEO?
Uh, you know, grand poobah ofARL, and, and so we're going to
phrase it that way, and and withthat, you know we're going to
extend this conversation.
You know we'll throw in our,our discord there.
We're going to have a topic.
We want to hear what the hellyou would change in your arl if

(51:08):
it was your arl, um, and we wantto know and you know again,
we're not.
You know you can remainanonymous, you cannot be
anonymous.
I don't care whatever.
But in essence, you know,bottom line is arl doesn't
listen to us.
If they do.
Well, you know, maybe theymight glean something new from
that, but I, you know, hey, Iprobably, todd, I don't know.
You are a paying member, areyou an ARO active member or no?

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Yeah, I haven't paid any.
Remember, I think it ran out inMarch.
I thought I was a member, butI'm not.
But I haven't done it yet.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
So, yeah, so let's phrase this all on the fence now
, After that last episodelistening to Paul.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
I was like yeah, maybe I should think this story.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
You know I I sadly already paid my dues, so I'm
already currently an arl memberfor the next three years.
So I'm, uh, still on the hookfor that.
But you know, got me thinking.
Like I said, you know, whatwould we do, like what you know.
You have the stage, guys, let'stalk about it and I'm gonna.
You know who wants to pick itup first.
So the question on the table isyou are now official ARL CEO,

(52:07):
commander in chief.
What do you want to do?
Where do you want to go?
So Paul's raised his finger ina polite way.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
The first order of business is completely revamping
the entire budget.
Okay, so, budget Minimizeoperating expenses, minimize
salaries.
Put more money into programsthat actually do something for
the community.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Okay, any one specific program you'd want to
take off on the initial man.
I'm falling off my armchairhere so I know we can get high
level here.
We could talk 50,000 foot level.
But let's get into weeds.
What one program ticks you offthe most that you think you know
you'd want to change initially?

Speaker 4 (52:51):
well, so it's not, it's not that uh one program,
you know makes me mad.
It's just that it, it's, it's so.
Uh, I've been involved innon-profit organizations for
many years and the one commonproblem in every non-profit
organization is the goddamnbudget.
Because people, people getgreedy and people they want to

(53:15):
get paid a six-figure salary fordoing a 40-hour a week job.
And I get it right.
We all want to live a nice,super comfortable life.
But come on, if you're runninga non-profit, you should be
taking a lower salary so thatthere is more money to put into
the programs, things like theteachers and the kids and

(53:41):
getting more into scouting andham radio, like, why isn't the
ARRL putting a ton of money intotheir marketing and, and you
know, whatever, for these youthprograms?
Because the youth is the future.
Right, it's, it's, it's not,it's not.

(54:01):
Let me line my fricking pocketsand let me get rich off of all
the exorbitant frickingmembership fees.
No, let's take the money thatwe've got and figure it out so
that we're putting more moneyinto our programs.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
All right.
So you're saying, destroy thegood old boy mentality, bring it
down to pretty much thebeginnings of a nonprofit in
terms, in terms of, you know,there's no true executive board
that's pulling a large bank rolland, and you know, all of that
money is being refunded intomore programs that are, you know
, focused on youth and and, justin general, you know, growing

(54:40):
the hobby in the youngergeneration yeah, well, I mean,
if you think just, uh, what wasthere?

Speaker 4 (54:45):
seven flexes, I think is what I heard.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Three, seven are you talking about in their room?

Speaker 4 (54:50):
three, yeah, three well, three in that room no, no,
only three.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Yeah, only three.
So there's only three.
Does that change your opinion?

Speaker 2 (54:59):
no, no, no, all right , regardless, okay, you can't
use those three because they'rein the employees' lounge they're
the employee.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Yeah, employee lounge .

Speaker 4 (55:12):
No, you don't need them.
Use a $1,500 radio like therest of us and take that flex
money and put it to the kids.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Should I sell my flex then, because mine's not $1,500
?

Speaker 4 (55:28):
Sell your flex and put that extra money towards the
kids.
Should I sell my?

Speaker 1 (55:31):
flex then, because mine's not 1500.
Sell your flex and put thatextra money towards the kids.
I, sir, I'm on it.
Okay, okay, all right.
Well, good, good stuff, goodstart.
I got some questions aroundthat, but we'll we'll get back
to that.
So, so, todd, you've now beenappointed CEO.
Questions around that, butwe'll get back to that.
So, todd, you've now beenappointed CEO.
You're now official ARL GrandPoobah.
What's your first order ofbusiness?

(55:52):
What do you want to abolish andwipe clean the slate?

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Well, I'm right there with Paul.
I don't know.
I'm going to be honest, I don'tknow how much these people make
, and if it's their full-timejob, then great.
But it depends on, you know,are they they rake?
You know they they make it morethan they should be.
I don't even know that, but myguess is they probably do, since

(56:16):
it's the way most organizationsrun.
A couple of things I would think.
I just kind of thought about it.
You know, when we talked aboutyou know what we're going to do
tonight, I was thinking like youknow, why not make it, um,
either have a board of hams thatcan oversee and have the

(56:37):
president, or whoever theleadership, be accountable to.
But I also thought that maybemake it into a co-op, so it's
not like just a nonprofit butit's just owned by its members.
So kind of like EMS, I think.
Is it EMS that does that?
Rei, rei, rei does that?
And also, you know, I think itwould be kind of cool to be like

(56:59):
, okay, well, this is our, youknow, hamry is our thing and
this is our.
You know what do you call it?
Club or whatever that we allown Organization, Our
organization, we own and we havea lot of input into it.
The other thing I think theirwebsite is a little overbearing,
like let's get with like moremodernized some of that stuff.

(57:21):
Make it user-friendly, get anapp, you know.
So it's not like you know,because most kids don't go to
websites anymore, they go toapps and on their phone and
stuff.
So those are just some of thethings you know.
I always look at these bigagencies that oversee.
I think they're like the numberone purpose in my mind is like

(57:42):
they lobby to keep ham radiorunning and keeping the bands
and stuff, and for that I thinkthat's good.
I just I'm not involved thatmuch with the ARL so I don't
know exactly what they do.
So I don't want to criticizethem for not doing stuff that I
don't know, but I also don't seea lot.
Um, I know that they have thebooks.
I would you know when they dogive out free gifts to get

(58:04):
memberships.
I think it would be probablybetter to give out a digital
book or even a paper book ofsomething that would be useful.
I mean, coffee cups are kind ofI got enough coffee cups, I
would like an antenna book wouldbe great.
Or study for your extra book oranything.
I mean that to me would be moreuseful and maybe get more

(58:27):
people on or even give out a.
You know, if you're a newmember, give them out a, like
Quan Shang or Bao Feng orsomething.
I'm serious, I mean, what areyou working with Ralph directly?
No, I'm just saying, like youknow, like I really wanted to
get one of those cheap radios soI could go buy one of those,
you know, one of the antennas,but I thought I had one, a nice

(58:51):
heavy box, and it ended up beinglike a tool set.
I thought, oh, it's got to bethe radio, but I didn't get one.
But yeah, I don't know.
I mean, I think it's.
You know they do do it, they dohave.
You know they do do what theydo have.
You know they sponsor field dayand stuff, which is great.
But I think the members shouldalso have more of a say, because

(59:11):
I know there's field day.
There's been a lot of questionsabout how it's, the rules and
what works and stuff, and it'slike it seems like, you know, we
elect the people to do it.
But is it really a fairelection?
Because it's like it's almostgiven who's going to get it like
, who advertises the most.
Who knows the most people youknow.
I guess that's the way with anyelection, but I think maybe if

(59:31):
you had the members owned theagency, then you might be able
to get a little bit more, and ifyou had a board you'd have some
accountability and it wouldn'tbe the same people and I also
have term limits on the peoplewho are in those high positions.
I don't think you should be avice president or president for
20 years.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
So basically shorter term limits Okay.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Which I don't, and honestly I don't even know how
many, what the term limits arefor the presence, but I'm
assuming you can just runforever members traditionally in
any organization can be thereas long as they pretty much want
to.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
In most cases, depending on what the guidelines
are set up by the organizationas a whole.
Shorter term limits make sense.
Technology apps giving membersmore we'll say whether it's a
Quan Cheng for you, quan Chengfor him, quan Cheng for her, all

(01:00:28):
of that stuff it sounds like Iwould do like a pick, like here,
join us and pick one of thesethings you know, all equal.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
you know all around the same amount of you know
whatever.
And, like I said, I wouldprobably take like a resource
book or something, whether it beonly digital.
I know, paul, you like thephysical copy, but even if it
was a digital book, it doesn'tcost anything to send out an
antenna book digitally.
Do you know what I mean?
Like and it's their book, right, like it's their, it's the ARL

(01:01:00):
book.
So I'm sure that's somethingthat could be and it would be
more beneficial, especially fornew hams who are like me, who
need to learn this stuff, and itwould just be good to have the
resource.
So just a thought.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Okay, Good stuff, I mean not bad.
I think it sounds like thetagline now is like smaller
government, you know more people.
It kind of sounds like that'sthe way it's going, which I'm
all for.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
I mean, look, I'm not putting down the leadership, I
don't pay that much attention toit, but I do think that what we
talked about the last show,some of the stuff that they did
with the dues and stuff and howthey did it, and that they were
willing to lose members anddidn't care.
That bothers me to lose membersand didn't care.
That bothers me Because I thinkif it was a and that's where I

(01:01:52):
got this idea like if it was aco-op and we all owned it, then
we wouldn't lose our members orwe wouldn't want to lose our
members and they were willing tolose members, and I don't think
that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Yeah, I'm with you on the.
On the co-op sounds like a veryinteresting scenario because
it's it still follows the you.
You get to make the decision tobuy into it or not, based off
of what value proposition theyprovide to you.
But in a co-op I know I'm partof the REI co-op and I get a lot
of benefits from them when I gobuy stuff, whether camping gear

(01:02:22):
, whatever be the outdoor kindof stuff, and they offer a lot
more for trading values andstuff like that, so that that
trade off of what I'm paying formakes total sense in that
relationship and you know all ofthat stuff.
So, yeah, cool, okay, I buyinto that.
So, yeah, all right.
Well, you ready, ready to dropa few on you Lay it on?

(01:02:45):
Okay, all right.
Well, first and foremost, Iagree a hundred percent.
I don't think wiping, I don'tthink burning the, you know the,
the, the whole villageinitially going in, is the right
way to do it.
I think definitely kind ofspending time with each board
member and the executive team todetermine really what does your
value bring to thisorganization and then decide

(01:03:07):
whether or not we need to prunedown the size of that
organization, because I fullydon't know, and I'll be first to
admit that, like Todd, I don'tknow really what the board does
or what.
What who consists of the board,but I hear a lot of like things
.
A lot of times people like allthe board.
They make stupid rules Like Iguess there's a new rule out
there that people are liketrying to bring light to, that

(01:03:30):
they're trying to build the goodold boys club with a ARL.
So those that are currently inposition today now have
stringent, more tighter,ridiculous rules to be able to
try to get into either volunteerpositions or executive
positions or area positionswithin the organization,
nevertheless, above and beyondthe board.

(01:03:50):
So there's a lot of thoseshenanigans which, first and
foremost for me, just need toget squashed.
So that would be.
The biggest thing is iseliminating a lot of that
bureaucracy to simplify theorganization as a whole.
Transparency, thousand percent,I don't.
I don't care.
You pay into this organization.
You should know where all ourbudgets go.
You should know where we spendmoney technology-wise.

(01:04:13):
If we spend any moneytechnology-wise.
Do we pay our volunteersanything?
Do they get any benefits forvolunteering?
Because there are people thatvolunteer in ARL all the time,
but do they get credit?
What value do they get backoutside of being a volunteer?
Know what, what, what value dothey get back outside of being a
volunteer in the organization?
So you know, simplifying andimproving that process way and

(01:04:34):
you know this is a big thingcloser to my heart my wife's a
teacher, I don't care.
Like the biggest budget shouldbe TI, I don't care.
Ti should be the budget that90% of all of our funds for the
club go into to be able tosupport good game, all of the
activities that they're doing.
So that just keeps gettingbetter and better and better

(01:04:54):
every year because they'rereaching out to an audience and
a people group that a lot ofclubs that are older can't do.
They struggle doing.
We all know that the gapbetween younger kids and 60 and
70 old retirement folks, that'sa hard gap to bridge.
There's not a lot of ways toconnect those folks and it's

(01:05:14):
tough to be able to get them tobe able to connect with one
another.
It can be done but it's alonger road or, as Josh says, a
longer road to hoe, however youlook at that.
So that would be a big thingpouring into TI.
I would say I am tired of ARL'spaper-based book production

(01:05:41):
system.
That needs to go.
They need to turn that thing onits ear and turn it into a
technology machine.
And what I mean by that is thatany of their books their
antenna books, their beginnersbooks, their grounding books,
any of those books should beinteractive.
Those should be includingvideos, those should be

(01:06:01):
including materials that when I,as a person, go in and buy them
, I'm getting a digital versionthat I can access anytime, um
and use, but I'm paying into itby my ARL membership and then,
when I don't have an ARLmembership, I don't have access
to those materials, which youknow.
That's most way.
Electronic book providers, youknow, provide their systems, but
they should be seeking out twothings.

(01:06:24):
One and this was really pissesme off the most they want total
control of their content.
Those days are long gone.
I don't, like you can't find abook provider today that
struggles to try to own theircontent 110%.
I mean it's ridiculous.
They're better offcollaborating.
They're better off interacting,they're better off building

(01:06:44):
systems and, and you know,partnerships with other
YouTubers, other people that aresubject matter experts in their
area, and not saying, hey,we're going to own the content
110% and you just get a cut ofit, we'll pay you for it.
It should be.
This is a collaboration youkeep pouring into, you keep
adding to it, you keep buildingupon it.

(01:07:04):
But all of that content shouldbe in a digital format.
And if you wanted to buy thebook and you still are those
people like you know, paul, thatwants the magazine, that type
of stuff If you want to buy that, you know fine, then you that
can be included in your excuseme, your membership.
But from a direct bookproduction, you know kind of um,

(01:07:27):
you know copyright house, youknow that that that just needs
to go away.
The fact that ARL gets to pickand choose who they get to have
involved in this process kind ofsucks, because there are a lot
of YouTubers that alone createawesome content and that is way
better and more current and moreeasier to access than ARL's
book that comes out once a yearthat's the size of an

(01:07:49):
encyclopedia Britannica andcosts the amount of the.
You know what it costs to buildthe Titanic in 1920 or whenever
the Titanic was built.
I mean it's kind of ridiculous,like I.
I know there are hams out therethat are probably yelling at me
going.
You know I love to have myarrow antenna books on my
shelves.
I'm like dude your shelves arefalling off your wall.
How many times did you accessthat book that you couldn't do

(01:08:10):
it online?

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Why do they come out with a handbook every year?

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Well, you have to update the content.
I mean, content's got to beupdated.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
But how much content is changing every year, Like you
couldn't do one every fiveyears, Well they do one or just
do an addendum.

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
Yeah Well, they do.
You know where?
It's like a nice thin littleaddendum.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
They do, and that's in addition to the binded book
that they provide you.
So you buy the book.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
It keeps going bigger and bigger.
So you buy the binding book andthen every year, instead of
wasting trees and whatever, wecan just give you an addendum
and say oh, you remember, hereis this year's addition to the
handbook.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
If it was electronic I would say 110%.
Send it my way all the time.
I am not and I know Paul is thetraditional.
I like the magazine and that'sokay.
I get it, but I don't wantmagazines piling up in my shack.
I definitely don't wantARRL-specific magazines piling
up in my shack.
I definitely don't want ARLspecific books piling up in my
shack because my shack is not.
I mean, you've seen my shack?
I mean go to the shack roast,watch the videos.

(01:09:14):
You've seen all of our shacks?
I mean we uh, where are thebooks in those shacks?
They're off to the right,they're hiding, they're they're
not.
You know, they're taking upother critical areas that we
need to put like monitors andstuff.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Are any of the ARL books digital?

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Not that I know of, but I could be wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
I don't know either.
I mean, yeah, it should be.
I mean it's the new way, it'sthe way things are.
I mean, look, we're looking atcolleges for my daughter and I
went to Suffolk University and Iwalked into the law library and
Suffolk's a big law school andthere was like one row of books
in the law library.

(01:09:54):
They've got all the books andthey're like oh yeah, we're
getting rid of books, it's allon computers and stuff.
So it's one of the things thatI think that sometimes our hobby
has a lot of older generationpeople in it, meaning back in
the day when books andeverything was that.
But we're getting newergeneration people and things

(01:10:17):
have changed and technology ischanging and I think if you
don't stay up with that, thenyou fall apart.
You're going to be behind times, right, and, like I said, I
don't even, like I said, I don'tknow who the leadership is or
how old they are, how longthey've been hams, but right, I
think you need to have a, youneed to have younger people in
there to kind of bring up the,the, the newest things, because

(01:10:39):
if not, you're just gonna fadeand die, and I don't.
I.
I still also just want to keepputting this I don't think there
should be an employee room onlywhere they get all the best
equipment.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Well, I don't like that.
Let me go back to that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
I'm walking right in that room.
I'm a member, I paid for thosebad boys true, okay, I, I will
give you that part.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
But consider the fact that ARL has a shit ton of
volunteers that go to thatbuilding every day that don't
get paid.
That room is for them.
So in essence those folks thatare beyond those paid members.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
You know that are pulling a salary.
That's better than if it's forthe volunteers to go and they
get that's their they get theirown ham radio room.
Oh, I thought it was like justfor like the president and the
you know no, no, no, no, sorrymy mistake.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Yes, all right, I'm like what are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
like, I'm paying them their final high cliff now.
Awesome, okay.
So all right, you want to talksome numbers?

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
I got one more hold on one more, all right, biggest
one that everyone fuckingforgets.
What.
What the hell?
L-o-t-w.
Get your head out of your 1980sass and modernize the damn
platform.
It should not be rocket science.
We are not moving billions ofdollars through ARRL every day.

(01:12:00):
We are pushing contacts through.
Build a platform that is ableto grow and expand as the demand
needs.
So, whether or not you know andagain I don't know when was the
turn of the time where weweren't required by the FCC to
keep logs?
Do you remember what that dateis?
I don't know.

(01:12:20):
It was way beyond our timeprobably.
I don't mandatorily have tokeep logs anymore, so I
shouldn't have to mandatorilygive a blood and semen sample to
ARRL to basically say, hey,this is who I am, send me my
four-digit PIN so I can become acertified LOTW user and then
have to do that every threeyears.

(01:12:41):
That's a pain in the ass.
Lotw should be simple, betterthan QRZ, better clarity in
terms of confirming contacts.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
You know what, eric?
I guarantee you, the peoplethat are in charge of that are
people that still do handwrittenlogs.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
I guarantee you, I bet, because if I don't care,
why do we need this?

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
I just have my handwritten log.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
I won't get into who I talk to, but we all know this
person in our club who used tobe part of the technology
infrastructure of arl and and bewith them.
He told me the some a lot ofinsider stuff for lotw and lotw
is ultimately built so far inthe 70s 80s that they have never

(01:13:25):
spent any time or budgets oreven concern to improving it or
thinking about that.
It's going to fall off theplanet.
It's running on like aridiculous old system because
they can't upgrade the software,because the software is no
longer made, so they are justnursing this thing together with
band-aids, grit and spit to beable to make state.
Yeah, exactly, I mean that'slike the mentality and like they

(01:13:46):
.
They have one or two peoplethat know that system well and
guess what?
When they age out and becomeold and God forbid become silent
keys, who the hell is going tosupport that platform?
They're always going to be likelet's just set it on fire and
forget it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
I think more people are using QRZ than they are, but
they can't.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
LOTW is required for being able to confirm all of
your global contacts.
If you want to get acertificate, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:14:13):
From who, though, if you want the LOTW award?

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
Yeah, you are dead.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Awards Does Europe have to be part of Logbook of
the World?

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
Yes and no.
I don't know the.
To be honest, I don't knowaustralia a lot of them do.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
Well, they do, but what?
Why are they all of a suddenlike that's the one?
Just because it's always beenlike that, because?

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
ergo era was the first to market way back in I
don't know when lotw came on thescene.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
It doesn't mean they're going to stay that way
if they don't stay up with thetimes, if someone comes up with
a better and easier way to do it, like you're saying but if Liv
Free and Ham does, all of asudden, don't put that out there
, I don't want to be playingcode.
Liv Free and Ham has thelogbook, open source logbook of

(01:15:07):
the world, the real logbook ofthe world logbook of the
universe.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
LFH LOTW, that's a mouthful.
I can't say that all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
But what I'm saying is someone could do it, and that
could just be maybe workingwith all the URLs of all the
different places around theworld and come up with a
universal one that stays up todate with technology.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
You and I both probably believe someone should
be able to call something butGod.
How many log formats do we have?
Count them, I know Right.
So try to submit that to onesystem and try to get that one
system to interpret the rightway.
I mean, that's theridiculousness.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
Honestly, for me, I could care less how many go out
there, if it's verified or not.
The only thing I care about ismy portal logs True but that's
their own system.
No, I know it's their ownsystem, but honestly I don't.
I mean I'll do it.
I think I have it set up.
I haven't even looked at itlong ago, I just send them all

(01:16:08):
the QRZ and their updates.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
Okay, so I submit my logs to POTA and then I submit
them to my logger and my loggertries to upload them to MLTW and
if I don't have an actualspecific profile defined for
that, it spits it back to me andsays where the fuck are you?
I don't know where you are, Ican't tell that.
You know it doesn't match yourhome QTH.
It's like what the hell Like?
Why does it matter?
I do profiles.

(01:16:31):
This is not the 1970s, whereeverybody has a shack and that's
all they have.
I mean everyone's mobile.
I mean, come on, but think like, think 21st century here,
Anyway

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
tell you.
So we're jumping at the bit.
Well, all right.
So I wanted to go over somenumbers, but I will say lotw I
100 agree with you is the mostfrustrating fucking system to
deal with.
Dumpster fire, uh, if, if, ifyou're, if you're after awards
like worked all states, centuryclub, whatever, lotw is a
nightmare.
And then if you can figure outhow to compile the contacts that

(01:17:10):
are relevant to get confirmedfor that specific award, well,
you have to pay for the creditsin order for that.
To count yep and no, if I paymy fucking membership, I should
get that as a free service, likeI shouldn't have to pay to also
get my awards.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
But keep in mind, that LOTW, though, is free
anyway.
You don't have to be an arrow.
I'm able to use it, so you knowyeah, unless you want to award
it how many people.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
Let's say with QRZ, all right, I agree with him a
hundred percent.
Where in the world world,besides ARRL do you actually pay
for your award If someone givesyou a medal?
Did you pay for any of your warmedals, paul?
You have to pay for themIndirectly.
Yes, you do.
Yes, that's bullshit, but ifyou get, an award.

(01:17:59):
It's not like oh,congratulations, you just worked
.
All states 20 bucks please andwe'll give you your.
That's wrong.
If you earn an award, youshouldn't pay for it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:13):
But so all right, let's review some numbers.
Okay, fire.
So according to salarycom, theCEO of the ARRL, the average
annual salary is $784,991.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
For the seat of ARRL.

Speaker 4 (01:18:33):
Yes, the president makes the same salary.
The chief financial officermakes $409,260 annually.
A controller I don't know whatthe fucking controller is.
This is a non-profit.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Yeah, so controllers basically like accounts payable,
accounts receivable.

Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
Okay, so they make $235,000 a year.
An assistant secretary not anactual secretary, but an
assistant secretary is $219,000a year.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
To the CEO or just as general.

Speaker 4 (01:19:12):
Just an assistant secretary.
Director of operations.
Now this is a more manageablesalary it's $178,000.
Sales manager for advertising $176,000.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
What are they selling ?

Speaker 4 (01:19:30):
Manager for IT infrastructure 170,000.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Yeah, Director of emergency management 150,000.

Speaker 4 (01:19:41):
Manager of product development 130,000.
Manager of education servicesis the bottom of the list at
124,000.
Manager of education servicesis the bottom of the list at
$124,000.
That's good, gary.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
So every ARL employee makes over $100,000 a year.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:19:59):
These are ridiculous salaries.
I agree with you you know, cutthe salaries down so nobody
makes more than fucking 200k,because, I mean christ, you
can't live a good life on 200k.
There is something wrong.
Yeah, okay, like nobody shouldbe making more than 200, I'm
sorry, nobody I agree, it's noteven the head.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
It's a non-profit organization.

Speaker 4 (01:20:25):
They shouldn't even, and then you don't have to
charge people for their fuckingawards.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Well, so beyond that, but yeah, so todd.
Traditionally non-profits dotheir bookkeeping, their you
know, tax.
That whole process is treatedway differently because they
aren't allowed to keep anyprofit.
So that's usually wheremajority of a non-profit ngo
goes to is a salary.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
I don't give it, I don't give a shit.
Whoever the president is making$700,000, that's ridiculous,
it's obscene.
It is obscene.
$785,000.
It's obscene.
For that they should cut ourdues back to what they were and
they should reduce his salary inhalf.
If he doesn't like it, I'll takethe job for half, or fucking

(01:21:11):
even a seventh, whatever I mean,it's just, it's ridiculous, and
that's where you know.
Then you've got the balls totell everyone oh, you're going
to double the dues.
And then you're going to say,oh, by the way, you worked
really hard and got your thing,but now you have to pay for your
thing.

(01:21:32):
Meanwhile this guy's sittingaround with $784,000 a year to
do what?
What does he exactly do?
He's got a shitty website.
The logbook of the world sucksass.
I mean it's like you're failingat everything you're doing.
What are you doing?
That's been good.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
Well, it's literally like the opposite of where all
the funding is going.
It's the reverse.
So it's all going to salariesgoing to big, large.
You know, you know padding thelines of, you know, all of our
executive team, the board, thattype of stuff, but then on the
reverse side, none of it'shelping.
Any of like ARL probably couldhave avoided 100 percent or not

(01:22:06):
100 percent probably a goodpercentage avoided their
ransomware attack if theirtechnology was up to date.
They are so far behind fromwhat I understand.
Talking with the guy who usedto be their previous.

Speaker 4 (01:22:18):
IT director.
Well, that cost them a millionin ransom, didn't it?

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
Well, that just came out of the insurance.
So therefore, our insurance now, next year for our arrows, okay
so why isn't the president orthe CEO?

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
why?
Why isn't he fired for beingincompetent?
He failed at his job.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
He should be fired yep, I agree, but he won't.
They all should be fired.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
I know they won't, but that's the way it is.
So this is why, like, the morewe talk about this and the more
you're informing about thismakes me more not want to join
the club because they that's notright.
That is an extreme.
Look at the top employee atamazon makes I think it's like a
hundred.
Like all the top executivesmake the same amount it's like

(01:22:59):
156 000, including bezos orwhatever, and then at the end of
the year they make all theirmoney based on how well the
company did and they get thestock options and all that kind
of stuff.
And they do make tons and tonsof money right, Millions a year
but their base salary is this.
Most base salaries aren't thathigh.

(01:23:20):
You know, maybe they have some,but this is a nonprofit ham
radio association nonprofit hamradio association.
You have that much money andyou get hacked and then you
don't give, you give up stupidmugs instead of educational
stuff.
You have a shitty websitethat's outdated and you have a
logbook of the world that thatis so outdated and, like you
said, the technology and allthese guys get to keep their

(01:23:43):
jobs.
I mean, honestly, if you workfor a private company and you
made that kind of money and yougot hacked like that, someone's
going down for it.
Did anyone lose their jobs forthe hack?

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
Sounds like they just got raises or they just stayed
status quo.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Either way.
I mean, that's just to me Nowthat.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
I've fired you guys all up, which is awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
Well, you just made.
They're just not getting mydues.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
True, and so I mean at least my look on that is,
their attitude is like fine, wejust don't need you, kind of,
because they are not going tohunt you down, they're not going
to push back on the clubs tosay, hey, you should be making
more of your members.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Arl, you know members but I guarantee you, I bet you
95% of all the hands out there.
Have no idea.
The CEO of ARL makes $758,000 ayear.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
I guarantee probably a good majority of the
technicians, even alone in ourclub and we have 45 of them that
are brand new technicians haveno idea what the ARL does or why
it does or not does it.
You know, thing I, I am, Ithink, alone.
The organization as a whole istoo fat and needs to be.
It also needs to be morestreamlined in being able to

(01:25:08):
adapt to the times and not be aslow-moving ship, and more so it
needs to be able to have, like,if anything, those salaries,
that money that we're producingin the club 80% of it should be
in the lobbying aspect to beable to get into Congress, start
playing those games, because wedon't have any control except
being able to throw money andpeople and resources at that, to

(01:25:30):
be able to keep our spectrumintact and alive and well and
continue to help us grow thespectrum.
Because as things start to getbetter and more improved and
technology gets better you know,five gigahertz, seven gigahertz
, 10 gigahertz all of thosebands are going to become more
popular.
Right now they're kind of, youknow, the fringe and they're

(01:25:51):
they're fringe bands.
Not a lot of us have the time,the power, the, the capabilities
to be able to set up largesatellite dishes and be able to
make point-to-point schedulecontacts and stuff, but you know
the arl should be stilldefending those bands.
You know, heck, like I heardthat the 220 band that we gave
to UPS, ups doesn't use itanymore.
Why can't we get that sliceback?

(01:26:11):
What the fuck Like?
When did that happen?
When did we decide that UPS wasokay to be able to take a 220
segment of the 220 band awayfrom us?
And you know, so like it'sthose things like constantly.
You know being aware of thoseand those.
That's where the ARL should be,like spending in my all of
their time and effort on top ofeducation.
And you know, streamliningtheir digital process and and

(01:26:33):
being lean.
But that's, I think, thebiggest thing lean, do the do
the presidents of like the areasmake?

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
are they salaried too ?

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
uh no, they're all volunteer.
They get a stipend.
So they're I don't know fullyand this is where someone, if
you know, you know, if you'vegot some insider information,
insider baseball, about like howthose folks, the volunteers,
the section coordinators, thattype of stuff, what they get.
I heard they get stipends for,like, being able for travel and
you know all of thoseexpenditures and stuff like that

(01:27:05):
, so they don't take anythingout of their own pocket.
But, um, those for the, theoverall process.
They aren't getting paid to beable to be volunteers for, you
know, his area, pro presidentsand that type of stuff.
That's all you know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
Volunteer how many employees does the aro have?
I?

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
don't know, paul can you look that up.

Speaker 4 (01:27:26):
So, um, so I'm looking on on Glassdoor, uh,
which gives a little bit morerange of uh job titles, um and
so, like I mean, you gotengineers, you've got assistant
editors, associates, uhsupervisors, engineering, uh.

(01:27:47):
Director of public relations Uh, that's, that's a reasonable
salary, that's 132,000, um.
Customer service representative40, 40 grand a year.
Dude, like when you call andthe person answered the phone,
like you're talking to somebodythat's making a normal salary,

(01:28:08):
right.
A sales associate 37 000.
Technical editor 95 000.
Member services 40 000.
Uh.
Assistant manager 54 000.
Customer service representative53 000 a year.
Network engineer 102 000 a year.
All.
So, yeah, I mean, that's why Isaid my number one thing right,

(01:28:31):
day one, somebody else takingover the ARRL, they got to
massively cut the operationexpenses Because if you take
your operating budget and youcut it, well then that frees up
all that, that, that income,that revenue, income that you
don't want to be profit that youcan funnel into your fricking

(01:28:54):
programs.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
Well, you could take that CEO's salary and divide it
by seven and everyone's making a.
Those seven people are making ahundred grand a year.
Right, right, like honestly.
I mean it's, it's kind of uh,yeah, whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:29:12):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
I didn't know.
I mean, it's just the sad thingis is this, is what it's like
everywhere.
Um, there is a lot, yeah, thereis a lot of, uh, just a lot of.
I mean, I see it with what Iwork in, the way it's just
scammed and money's wasted andput away.
But if a CEO is making thatmuch money and then he's going

(01:29:36):
out and begging us and we've gotto raise money, and then they
don't care about losing members,and then you find out that
asshole makes $758,000 a year,kiss my ass, $785,000.
Or $785,000.
No-transcript.
Kiss my ass, dude.
Seriously, I'm not joining nowjust because of that alone,
because that's outrageous.

Speaker 3 (01:29:57):
I figured a.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
CEO would make like 150 for a nonprofit.

Speaker 4 (01:30:01):
My membership is up for renewal.
They keep sending me emailslike oh, renew now, renew now,
renew now, Now, fuck you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
Raise your fist to the sky.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
I'm right with you, Grouch.
I'm right there with you,that's ridiculous and I would
rather that money go to likewhat I said at the last podcast,
like let's have the ARL helpwith the clubs.
You know, give clubs money tohelp.
Oh, they do, they do.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
How much money do they give our club?
So well, our club has toactually want to be able to ask
for it, and so that's the partof it and that's kind of with
every nonprofit.
I mean, unless you ask for itor put in for a request to ask
for it, then it's your own lossfor not spending the time to do
that.
But you know it's not adifficult process because I've
kind of gone through it.
And so, yes, we as a club orany club for that matter, if

(01:30:48):
you've got a club and you needto get funds, you can put a
request in for that and they'll,you know, more than likely
honor it because they want to beable to give back and that's
how they do it.
But again, let me put thecaveat that I understand that
that money is what ARDC isfunneled into ARL, for ARL to be
able to then give away to theclubs.
So it's not technically theirmoney, it's technically ARDC's

(01:31:11):
grant to them to be able to giveto ARL and they do that twice a
year.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
They should with that CEO with the $785,000, he
should be funding every club inAmerica's field day.
Seriously, he could be his ownclub.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
I mean seriously.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
You know like we all sit there and spend more money
enjoying for field day than wedo for our club dues.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
Thank God ARL does not have a private plane.
We'd be really pissed off.
I'm sure they do.
I wonder if Ryan's flying forthem.
They don't, they don't.
I only looked into that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
ARL just bought a Gulfstream.

Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
You sure?
Yeah, I did, did.
I looked into it as far as I am, at least for what I could find
the aero does not have its ownblade.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
I guarantee you that guy doesn't fly commercial.
I bet you he flies a privatejet.
You never know.
I'm sure those people who makethat much money they don't fly
with the rest of us.
And I'm sure he flies.
I'm sure he flies first classif he does fly commercial.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
I won't disagree with you, alright.
Well, so it sounds like.
I mean obviously we could go infor a lot of.
What's his name?
It is Mitzner, dave Mitzner.
Where does he live?
Here's a ham, I don't know.
Let's not put the address outthere To cause this large uproar
.
Do it, paul.
Do it, I don't know.
Let's not put the address outthere to cause this large uproar

(01:32:31):
of protests on the ARRL CEOfront lawn.
Can you imagine, man?
That would be the demise of theLFH.
It's like the ham protest.
It would be like a few of thosehams that decided to take a
stand and, lo and behold, theyare no longer hams any longer.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
Everyone sets up antennas and nuts on his front
row.

Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
Every time we submit our ARL scores for our club,
it's like no, you got a zero, Iwant this guy on our podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
I'm going to ask him straight up.
He really won't.
Yeah.
I know because he doesn't havethe balls to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
Well, but you know, because he doesn't have the
balls to do it.
Well, you know, it's that wholeCEO stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
You make $784,000.
We all paid for it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:15):
All right, so let's throw out this challenge.
Okay, so if we get to 1,000subs on our YouTube channel
right now we're at like what,380, I think, as we look at it,
probably somewhere around thereIf we get to 1,000 subs and
we'll throw this challenge outto you and this is the only time
you're going to hear it If weget to a thousand subs, we will
do everything in our power towork on trying to get Mitzner to

(01:33:37):
come on our live stream, or noteven live, even on just a
podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
Oh, no it has to be recorded.
It should be live stream itshould be live stream.

Speaker 1 (01:33:46):
Cause then he'll probably get lawyers to say we
can't have this Right, thelawyers will have to edit the
audio stream of it, so you knowit might be edited and redacted
but put them on the spot.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
So, mr $785,000 salary, why Just explain why you
think that's okay?

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
Well, nevertheless, all of the executive team too I
mean the executive team, I thinkdoes a lot behind closed doors,
which a lot of folks like uh,rihanna and a few other
youtubers and hams that are outthere that were part of the arl
and and definitely got to seethe bad, dark side underbelly of
it um, all agree with us and Ithink all have the same stance.

(01:34:29):
You know, I will continue tokind of support them, just with
just only on two premises onebeing ti, because I believe that
what you know good game isdoing there, he can't do without
arl's help, because arl is abig powerhouse and they can get,
you know, they can direct thetraffic to where they need to
and they've done a decent jobwith him and giving him the

(01:34:50):
reins to do what he needs to do.
But two, so I need somebody tolobby for us in, you know,
government entities, and if ARLis even doing that a little bit,
then okay, my $40 or $60 orwhatever it is is, you know, a
small drop in the bucket.
But yeah, okay, yeah, so it,dude I, I, you know, I'm not

(01:35:11):
disagreeing with anything youguys said I totally, fully, a
hundred percent, believe it's nolonger needed.
I think a lot of hams have beenin disgust and in the same boat
as you guys, feeling that youknow, this is what.
What's this organization do?
It's just a slow moving shipthat's doing absolutely nothing
for the hobby.
Um, although their claims thatthey, they say that they're

(01:35:34):
making you know, inroads to, Istill think that you know they,
uh, from a technologistperspective, I think they are 10
years behind and so slow.
Um, and I've heard, you knowpersonal firsthand stories from
folks that were inside theorganization that, like this is
just a big clusterfuck and itneeds to be, you know, burned to
the ground and rebuilt and doneright, because it's just been

(01:35:58):
volunteers, of volunteer stuff,of volunteer stuff, and
nothing's been really done well,so that you know it can stand
the test of time and havelongevity and improve and be
able to scale for the demand andneed.
And so, yeah, it kind of sucksthat this is where ARRL is today
, but I think we kind of allknew that it's not new news.

(01:36:23):
We all know that ARRL is a bigdumpster fire sometimes, and
very much old regime and oldleadership that just doesn't
want to make the change, wow, soall right.
Well, how do we wrap this thingup.

(01:36:44):
I don't think we can goanywhere, except the fact that
any last one tidbit or thing youwant to shed some light on that
we haven't talked about, thatmight want to bring to attention
, we add our piece at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
I'm going to do some research.
I'm going to find out how muchI don't care.
If you work for an agency, evena customer service rep like
$35,000 in 2025 is, you know,you're pretty much on welfare,
Like you gotta, you needassistance.

(01:37:23):
So if you got that personworking talking to the people,
talking to people like us whoare the members, and you've got
a CEO that makes almost amillion dollars a year, that
money, some of his money, shouldbe going down to those customer
service reps so they can atleast have a salary that they

(01:37:44):
can live on Right.
There shouldn't be anyone inthis organization that doesn't
have money.
It's a hobby.

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
For God's sakes, it's not a job.
Exactly that's what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
So if someone is doing, even if it's a full-time
job.
Right, they have a full-timejob with benefits and they're
making $35,000 a year and theCEO is making that much.
He should be ashamed of himself.
He should take $100,000,$200,000 of that $700,000 and
split it up among the lowestpaid people so they can at least

(01:38:13):
live.

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
Volunteers pay them what they're value at those that
have been giving tirelessly inthe organization for volunteer.
I just hate that.

Speaker 4 (01:38:26):
I mean I won't fault travel expenses.
So for those that have to go toham fests and they represent
the organization 100%, thatshould be an organizational cost
to cover the travel expensesfor those people to go and

(01:38:47):
promote the organization.
But I don't know that.
You need $80,000 to $100,000 ayear in travel expenses on top
of your exorbitant salary.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
Unless that's already built into his salary.
We don't know personally, butit's not transparent enough.
And that's one built into hissalary, and you know, we don't
know personally, but you knowit's not transparent enough.
And that's one of my biggestpoints, like if I knew exactly
how his salary broke down, thenI'd be able to you know, justify
that.
But I can't, because I assumehe's just taking all that home.

Speaker 4 (01:39:20):
Yeah, well, and of course, so there's a lot on the
dumpster fire of QRZ forums.
So if you want to go down thatrabbit hole, I mean a quick
google search will send you downthat rabbit hole, boy, uh, but
yeah, no, there's.
There's a lot there about howyou know different conversation
for this, that the other thingand uh, I I actually I sent, I

(01:39:43):
sent todd a link because one ofin in the in the forum
conversation about.
Once I said the qrz and the amaI'm gonna hold off, it might
crash my system yeah, no, butit's the, you know the, the
mobile aeronautical, whatever,fucking there with the rc planes
.
Yeah, um, you know, like I said, non-profits have this problem

(01:40:09):
where I get it like you can'tshow a profit, and so if you
don't have a program that youcan push that money into, then
well it just gets built intooperating expense, right,
because you got to use thatmoney.
Well, I'm sorry, but there thereshould be somebody that is

(01:40:30):
saying hey, you know what,instead of boosting the fricking
operating expenses again thisyear, why don't we cut the
operating expenses and put moreinto the teacher's association,
put more into scouting, put moreinto, you know, getting youth
involved in radio, because, likeI said, that's the future,

(01:40:52):
that's where your focus needs tobe.
Your point yep, I agree withthat way you will our small
little podcast that we are.

Speaker 1 (01:41:02):
If you're actually listening, I'd be very surprised
.
But anyway, all good.
So you know, let's carryconversation on.
I'm curious to see what ourlisteners think here in the
Northeast here, cause you knowwe are that we are a unique
group of people group here inthe Northeast.
I can tell you know, I've beenhere all my life.
I know exactly how people thinkabout a.

(01:41:22):
You know, when you mentionedthe words ARL or you start
talking about, you know, clubsor whatever, when it comes to,
like, giving your money, youknow the folks in the Northeast
want to be able to get value outof what that and I don't think
ARL currently is doing that.
I mean obviously from theseguys.
And you know what I've thrownin here.
We all kind of are on the samepage.

(01:41:42):
So you know what's yourthoughts.
You head over to our discord.
Check out the show link.
We'll have this posted there.
You know, let us know what youthink about the area, what,
what's your firsthand experience, if you have anything.
You know, if you've got anyinsider baseball stuff, you know
, feel free to share it.
You know, but ultimately, youknow this is just a polite

(01:42:10):
conversation of a.
You know refined, you knowintentional movement to be able
to get the ARL to change theirattitude and their mentality.

Speaker 4 (01:42:18):
Because you know I don't know about you, but us,
jen, our extenuation.

Speaker 1 (01:42:22):
we're tired of this bullshit, move on.

Speaker 2 (01:42:23):
Well, you know and you got to be transparent and
you know if if this guy or thisadministration is, refuses to go
onto social media and podcastsand talk about it and be legit
about answering questions.
I mean I'd love to know whatthis guy thinks he deserves that
much money when he's got thepeople who I call make on

(01:42:44):
welfare.
You know what's his, what's his, where does he think that's
okay?
And then why did he think heneeded to raise the dues and why
did he care about losingmembers?
Because eventually what'llhappen is, you know, people will
just stop joining and then hewon't have a.
And I'm not saying the ARL, it'sa, it's a.
It's an organization that hasso much potential.

(01:43:05):
But if you get greedy idiotsrunning it and you're not doing,
you're not moving along withthe times.
And like you're not like I'mwith Paul like throw the money
into the education and gettingkids involved with it and making
ham radio a known again, andnot just be sitting back and
buying flex radios for yourvolunteers.
I mean it's great that they'redoing that, but I mean seriously

(01:43:27):
like give me a break, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:43:30):
I mean ARL should be very much lockstep with a lot of
the other clubs that likecreate QRP kits to be able to
build and encourage the, youknow, the whole electronics
industry, and moving all thatforward.

Speaker 2 (01:43:43):
The other thing too is you know this guy's making
that much money Like, why arethey charged shipping you want?

Speaker 3 (01:43:52):
to get some stickers.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
they charge you fucking like $10 for shipping.
It's like who bought ARLstickers?
What's wrong with you?
Well, you know, field day orwhatever, I bought a whole bunch
.
When I bought a t-shirt it waslike, oh, you got to pay.

Speaker 1 (01:44:08):
Dude, you should be supporting our club.
Then Buy a freakingclub-specific shirt and you'll
go to our club to help usfurther.
I do.

Speaker 2 (01:44:16):
I got like two t-shirts, a hat, I got a couple
of mugs.
Give me this shit, yeah.
But I'm saying it's like.
I mean it just makes me more,it makes me even more mad.
I mean it just makes me evenmore mad.
I figured it was like maybethere's like five employees and
everyone was volunteers andthat's what we were doing.
No, they've got a big bankroll.

(01:44:37):
Yeah Well, not from this guyanymore.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:44:41):
Well, sounds good, my friend.
I'm with you there, paul.
Let's put a bow on this tonight.
Obviously, you heard ourpassionate desire to make sure
the arl stays lockstep with thecurrent times and going into the
future, because we all knowthat.
You know, all of us are gettingolder, we're growing, you know.

(01:45:01):
We're thinking about like what,what's our legacy?
Who's going to be carrying thatlegacy forward and then who's
going to be supporting us in thelarger you, you know global
landscape.
So you know, arrow, if you'renot listening now rewind, listen
to what's going on here andstart making some change, you
know, and make the effort,because I think it's going to

(01:45:21):
pay off in the long run andyou're going to see that you're
going to create a legacy foryourself instead of a name
that's like oh man, he collecteda hundred thousand dollars, you
know, or two 750,000, $85,000in salary versus, like, what he
actually did to make the arrowbetter.
So, all right, well, I won'tsay any last words because I

(01:45:41):
think we got everything outthere.
I appreciate you guys.
You know, talking, talking onthis heated topic, because it
was one of those things that Ifelt was pretty passionate, like
last episode, and we needed todefinitely put some attention.
But now that Paul brought upthe whole club thing, you know,
now I'm like that, that, that,that, that that that hits a
little note for me.
So we're going to have to talkabout that next episode because

(01:46:04):
I, you know, I've been watchingthose videos, I've been paying
attention, thinking, you know,you know, I don't fully buy into
what you're doing, but at thesame time, you know, I still
think, you know, we shouldimprove.
But anyway, with that, you know, so let's kind of wrap this up.
So, as always, again, thanksagain for joining live free and
ham, you know, we appreciate allof those folks that are part of

(01:46:24):
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(01:46:46):
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Click that Patreon, not Patreon.
Click that.
What the heck is it?

(01:48:16):
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Speaker 3 (01:48:17):
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Thank you.
Click that GoFundMe link.

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
Help support Paul, because we're trying to do that.
We want to see him get hisClass A license.
It's a lot of cash, you know.
We all know that.
You know, as hams, we try to doour best to build, you know,
use what resources we have.
But we, we want to see paul gethis class a license because
freaking a I you know one of usmight actually have the balls to
want to tandem jump with him.
I won't say who, but I keepmentioning, you know it might be

(01:48:42):
me, but anyway, um, you know,you know we want to see paul get
his license there because wewant to do a lot more.
You know radio contacts from youknow Parachute Mobile there.
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