The Ham Radio Crusader's Guide to All-Star Link Nodes

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Hey, it's Paul, N1OG the Grouch.
W N S T J Todd.

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And we got a special guest tonight.
Freddie Mac, KD5 FMU fromHenrietta, Oklahoma.

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And between you and K5 YVY voice, we should just put
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Oh, Joe Brett, clear window there.

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I don't know, man.
You're you're it's you got thatnice little like chocolatey tone
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Yeah, he can hit some uh levels that I can't go
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A brain I now I know how youfeel, Todd, because I literally
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Like I just had that momentwhere I was like, I'm following
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So anyway.

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It feels like it should shouldn't come right
away, but I guess.
But we've been doing it this wayforever.

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That's so you know, you've heard it here.
Once we get our, you know, ourwits about us and we we take our
you know our non-stupid pills,you know, we're here to help
study uh Todd study for hisextra class license.
And so each episode we pickthree questions from our typical
extra class question pool.
Test his knowledge and hope hegets his upgrade.

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Uh, we obviously have a littleuh special guest here tonight.
So, Freddie, you're free to joinin obviously on these questions,
uh, or you can just sit back andyou know heckle Todd all you
want.
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they know they know hamstudy.orgis the place to go.
So without further uh delay,hand it over to our quizmaster
as always, N1OG, take it away.

SPEAKER_02 (05:12):
All right, Todd.
Tonight's uh question number onecomes from sub-element number
eight.
The question is, what is themodulation index of an FM
signal?
Is it A?
The ratio of frequency deviationto modulating signal frequency.

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B, the modulating signalfrequency divided by the
bandwidth of the transmittedsignal.
C the bandwidth of thetransmitted signal divided by
the modulating signal frequency.
Or is it D the ratio ofmodulating signal amplitude to

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frequency to deviation?

SPEAKER_04 (06:06):
Oh man.
Um B is the time to stick outfor me.

SPEAKER_03 (06:12):
I'm going with C, Paul.

SPEAKER_04 (06:15):
Paul, just be gay.

SPEAKER_02 (06:20):
All right, well, Todd said D.
D is incorrect.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (06:27):
Eric said B.
D is also incorrect.
Freddie Max.
And Freddie Max said C.
And C is also incorrect.

SPEAKER_02 (06:45):
So the correct answer is A, the ratio of
frequency deviation tomodulating signal frequency.
So to for a little furtherexplanation, FM or frequency
modulation is the encoding ofinformation in a carrier by

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varying the instantaneousfrequency of the carrier wave.
But then the question is, by howmuch does the instantaneous
frequency vary?
The modulation index indicateshow much the modulated frequency
varies around the unmodulatedcarrier frequency.
Another way to think of it ishow much will the frequency vary

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when you compare it to fullsilence, aka an unmodulated
carrier, to transmitting a loudtone or the way the test prefers
to describe it, the ratio offrequency deviation to the
modulating signal frequency.
For the sake of remembering,just remember that this is a
comparison between frequencies,not a comparison of frequency to

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amplitude.
And I won't bore you with thesine waves and all the formulas.

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The question is, how do ALEstations establish contact?
Is it A?
ALE radios send a constant tonetone code to establish a
frequency for future use.
B, ALE constantly scans a listof frequencies activating the

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radio when a designated callsign is received.
C ALE radios monitor an internetsite for the frequency they are
being paged on.
Or is it D?
ALE radios activate when theyhear their signal echoed back by

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scatter.

SPEAKER_04 (09:01):
I'm gonna go with A.
I think it has to do with B.
What is A L E?
Uh I think it's automaticlinking.

SPEAKER_00 (09:13):
Yeah, I was gonna go I'm going A or B, but I'm just
gonna go with A.

SPEAKER_01 (09:17):
Go with B or R A.
So it's it it ALE stands forautomatic link establishment.

SPEAKER_03 (09:24):
Okay, I'm gonna go with A.

SPEAKER_02 (09:29):
Alright, so we got two for A and one for B.
And I will tell you A is notcorrect.
And yes, he will.
The correct answer is indeed B.
Um Yes, the way that ALEfunctions is the software has a
uh a list of frequencies and itwill scan that list of

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frequencies and it will activatewhen the designated call sign is
received.

SPEAKER_04 (09:55):
And that makes militar that's more military
stuff, isn't it?

unknown (09:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (09:58):
I would think it's very commonly used in the
military, yes.
I feel like I'm going overthree.

SPEAKER_04 (10:06):
Well, maybe it's we shall find out.
Come on, baby.
Bring me two out of three.

SPEAKER_02 (10:14):
All right.
Question number three for thisevening comes from sub-element
number seven.
And the question is, what typeof digital signal processing
filter is used to generate anSSB signal?
Is it A a notch filter?
B an elliptical filter.

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C, a Hilbert transform filter,or is it D an adaptive filter?

SPEAKER_01 (10:45):
And you you've had this multiple times.
Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_00 (10:48):
I I god damn.
I think it's a Hilbert.
I think it's the Hilbert one,because I know it's not a notch
filter and a it's either anadaptive.
Why?
It's either an adaptive or aHilbert, but I think it's the
name of the guy.
That's I'm gonna go with C.

SPEAKER_04 (11:10):
Uh, yeah, I mean, yeah, we're just gonna go with
C.

SPEAKER_03 (11:17):
Nice.
C for me, Paul.
I'm just jumping on thebandwagon here.
Well, guess what?
C is the correct answer.

SPEAKER_02 (11:39):
So, yes, uh, for those that uh don't know uh or
haven't seen an episode wherewe've aired this question, uh
your hint is the wordtransforms.
Uh so single sideband modulationis an efficient form of
amplitude modulation that useshalf the bandwidth used by AM.
This technique is most popularin applications such as

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telephony, ham radio, and HFcommunications, i.e.,
voice-based communications.
Um, and so, yeah, it is theHilbert transform.
Nice.
I believe that, Mike.

SPEAKER_04 (12:18):
Wholeheartedly.

SPEAKER_03 (12:19):
Modulation is killing ham radio.
I agree.
Over modulation.

SPEAKER_04 (12:27):
That's totally cool.
All right.
Well, with that, uh, yeah.
Two out of three ain't bad.
Where's my song, my friend?
I got it.
Two out of three ain't great.
Yes, it is, my friend.
Yes, it is.
I love that song.
That's the only part of thatsong I like.
That's why I'll be saying I likethat part.

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SPEAKER_02 (13:11):
Negative.
I uh I I had the opportunity tosit out on a military session,
and by the time I realized thatit was time for the session, it
had already gone by.

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Um, so all right, now we can getback into the regular ham radio
week catch up.
Uh so with uh usuals, um we'regonna start with uh Freddie Mack
first, since he's our guest ofhonor tonight.
Um, how's your ham radio weekbeen?

SPEAKER_03 (14:03):
It's been uh it's actually been pretty good,
honestly.
Uh what is today?
Today is Saturday.
Actually, I've I've had a prettydecent week.
Most of it has been spent atwork, and uh, but I've had a
little time to work in the shacksomewhat.
But I got to go to Enid OklahomaHam Fest yesterday.

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It's about a two and a half hourdrive from me, but it was
totally worth it.
Great bunch of folks up there,and I got to do a forum about
what was the topic again?
Uh must be DMR, right?
Uh I think it was uh singlesideband.
No, the the Herbert guy.
No, it was All-Starlink versionthree.
Had a pretty good turnout too,and lots of fun.
Lots of fun.

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Good folks up there.

SPEAKER_04 (14:45):
So so was it mostly just for due to the the the
whole presentation, or did yougo to do filming for the channel
too?

SPEAKER_03 (14:52):
I I did a short live stream as well, because I always
like to do a good ham fest.
And I now don't always livestream at a ham fest, but I will
do a walkthrough, you know, nicewalkthrough video of all the
gear that was there for sale.
And and usually though, if I doa live stream like I did, I
always get somebody hit me up,like, hey, buy that, buy that
one for me and I'll send yousome money.

unknown (15:12):
Sure.

SPEAKER_03 (15:13):
Yeah, I know that one.
It was gone.
I don't know what happened, butno.
I I love, I love to do a littlewalk around.
I went up there mainly.
I always have a table because Ilike to show off some of my uh
homemade nodes.
Uh they're always up for sale.
I you know, I haven't sold oneyet.
It's like your kids, you know,you just you don't want to
really let them go.

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But it gives me the opportunityto uh educate those because I
get a lot of questions, and alot of those questions are, what
is All Star Link?
And I'm like, really?

SPEAKER_04 (15:44):
I know it's been a long trust me, I don't know what
it is.
It's like sometimes just youknow, it's like the oldest one
in terms of like the technologythat's been out there for a long
time outside of Echo Link,maybe.
But you know, most people arejust like, I don't understand
all like what's All-Star do?
I'm like, you you're missingout.

SPEAKER_03 (16:00):
And always start that conversation with, have you
heard of Echo Link?
And they're like, Yeah.
And I said, Well, think of it asbeing much better.

SPEAKER_04 (16:07):
Well, that's actually a good segue because I
always forget that last part,and then people just go, Oh,
Echo Link.

SPEAKER_03 (16:14):
Exactly.
I get a lot of folks that dothat, but I still get a lot of
people who're like, How do weset up Echo Link on an all-star
node?
I'm like, okay, I got a videofor that too.

SPEAKER_04 (16:25):
I know.
Is there you've got I'm okay?
I think every base coveredpretty much.

SPEAKER_03 (16:29):
Not all of them, but I'm all all the basics, all the
basics, because you know, that'sthe most questions are right
there, especially for the newbeginner into All-Star Link.
And I'm slowly or graduallyelevating up to the more
complicated stuff.
And I think the most complicatedone I've done is the auto patch
uh video.
And still do that.

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Uh ironically enough, we do itwith an IP line, a voice, a VoIP
line.
Right.
And it's not like I'm not goingto use it to make phone calls to
just other people, but you canmake phone calls to your node
and do your DTMS to shut itdown, reboot it, whatever.

SPEAKER_05 (17:07):
Oh well.

SPEAKER_03 (17:08):
It's basic stuff, and I you know, for like 10
bucks, I get like four months ofservice, four or five months.
It's it's it lasts a good longtime.
It's voIP.ms.

unknown (17:18):
VoIP.

SPEAKER_02 (17:19):
Yeah, that's what I use.

SPEAKER_03 (17:20):
Yep, yep.
And it's relatively cheap,unless now the more minutes you
use, if you use it quite a bit,it's going to go down a lot
faster, but I don't use it thatmuch.
And I mainly got thesubscription to do the video
because a lot of people werevery interested in the autolink
side of ASL3.
So mission accomplished.

unknown (17:38):
Nice.

SPEAKER_02 (17:39):
Yeah, if I remember right, I think uh incoming calls
are free.
You they only deduct theoutgoing calls.

SPEAKER_03 (17:45):
I think you're right about that because it seemed
like it was a one-sided charge.
And it's man, it's so cheap.
And it's reliable.
The sound's great.

SPEAKER_04 (17:54):
Well, yeah, it's not commercial grade, and the
likelihood that it's gonna be alot of people uh, you know
wanting to use that service.
It's like I don't need anothernumber.

SPEAKER_03 (18:03):
Yeah, and I gotta give a shout out to Mason
Nelson, N5LSN.
He's the guy that created SkyWarn, auto, I'm sorry, Skywarn
Plus.
He created that for uh AllStarlink.
He created it for Ham Voip andASL3, but he also came up with
that uh auto patch dialing planto make the video.

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He and I ran through thatbecause he wanted to test his
settings.
We made it all work, so I did avideo on it, and it helps a lot
of people out.

SPEAKER_04 (18:32):
So it's all that matters.
I love moving the needle forwardevery time we get a chance to
tweak something or makesomething better.
Yeah, all for it.
Yeah, awesome.
Hey Russ, uh good to see youthere.
And then I didn't uh bring amic.
Uh yeah, thank you guys forjoining in the private chat
there.
Good to have you in theretonight.
And uh yeah, uh, cool.
All right, well, it sounds likeuh you know that on on top of
all of your other house movingactivities, uh you know,

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squeezing some type radiosomewhere in there.

SPEAKER_03 (18:57):
Yeah, everywhere I can.
And I got to do a lot of it onthe road yesterday, uh all over
my mobile node.
So that was great.
Always good, always a good time.

SPEAKER_04 (19:08):
Very cool.
All right.
Well, with that, over to thegood old grouch.
How was your ham radio week, myfriend?

SPEAKER_02 (19:14):
Well, uh, alright.
So I I I I guess I did do someham radio because uh I I took
this uh this crazy thing calledan all-star node and I I put it
in my truck and uh and I droveto Maine, and the whole time I I

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called out, you know, lookingfor somebody to answer me back,
and nobody did, but I got it.
Um it it and now it lives in thetruck because I'm just I'm a way
to deal with Starlink.
And uh maybe uh maybe I'll makea new node for the RV, and

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that'll be specifically forStarlink.
But uh otherwise uh the onlyother ham radio stuff I did was
uh I sold a whole bunch of hamradio gear today.
Um my uh my amplifier has a newhome as well as yeah, um the uh

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the the gentleman in the bonnetreally didn't want it.
He he kind of just wanted all ofthe other stuff.
And uh I said, I said, well, youknow, I'm making a package deal.
And so basically what I did wasI I sold him, I sold him the
amplifier, uh, my my uh uhDiamond X50 uh antenna that was

(20:40):
up on the roof, um and and abunch of miscellaneous stuff I
just kind of threw in there forfree.
And I said, There you go, thankyou very much.
Uh yeah, he took uh he took allmy old 10 tech radios uh that I
wasn't gonna do anything with,uh, and and a bunch of you know
old CBs that uh I had gotten offof um uh Casey, actually.

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So yeah, so those things allhave a new home now, and uh and
I got uh I got a little bit ofmoney in my pocket so I can uh
pay down some credit card debt.

SPEAKER_04 (21:15):
Yep, a hobby will uh you know take control of those
credit cards when you at leastexpect it.

SPEAKER_03 (21:21):
It's an evil, evil thing, but it did say it is,
yeah, sadly.

SPEAKER_04 (21:26):
Yeah, it it it makes the the convenience and and and
uh you know I need to havefactor you know that much
closer.

SPEAKER_03 (21:34):
Yeah, it's a it's a necessary evil, that's what
we'll call it, as long as wekeep it under control.
It's tough.

SPEAKER_04 (21:40):
Yes.
Sadly we're not a credit card uhyou know financial uh you know
uh podcast here, so don't takeour advice and move along.

SPEAKER_02 (21:50):
Yeah, and we don't we don't have we don't have any
of the cool sponsorships, uh youknow, like PDS debt or all that
stuff yet.

SPEAKER_00 (21:56):
So we'll get there though like we're gonna carry
this amount of debt.
Hey, we have Reliance Antenna,they're our sponsor.
He is, but he's not debt.

SPEAKER_04 (22:11):
We probably put him in more debt than he wants to
be, especially with all the freeantennas he throws our way.
Uh so very cool.
All right.
Well, it sounds like uh bummeron the all-star stuff.
I um I found out that my batterythat I have in the truck uh you
know definitely needs a solarpanel to keep uh consistently
topped off.
Uh the 50 amp hour has nowliterally uh you know has uh

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back on the you know 10 ampshower it's back on the 10 amp
charger now, so it's recharging.
I basically brought that thingdown to nothing because it's the
truck sat for a couple of days.
So yeah, between the the thenice little hotspot and the
all-star node, uh yeah, it w itwas uh draining it.
So but it lasted like four days,so at least I know I can go four

(22:54):
days without uh you knowworrying about the battery.
So solar panels are next.
Ah, cool.
All right.
Well, with that, over to you,Todd.
How's your hemory week been, myfriend?
You've been busy.

SPEAKER_00 (23:04):
Uh yeah, let's see.
I don't think I did.
Did I do any activations thisweek?
I thought you did like one ortwo.
Oh, yeah, I think I did.
Yeah, yeah, I did one.

unknown (23:13):
Uh uh.

SPEAKER_00 (23:13):
And then you did one to beat me up.
Yeah, I did one or two.
Um working the rail trail.
Um did all right.
Uh it was always good to be backdoing the activations.
And then I got my clear node acouple days early.
They told me I'd get it by todayat nine o'clock, and I got it
Saturday by 12.30 p.m.

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And um my brother's in town fromCalifornia kind of unexpectedly
for a weekend.
So I was trying to see him,trying to set that up, and
finally uh had to call my ITguy, N1 J U R, and uh I said,
How's I go, how the hell doesthis app work?
I'm like, it doesn't showanything.
He goes, plug it into theEthernet, and then it worked.

(23:57):
And uh it just wasn't, eventhough I did it to be on the
Wi-Fi, it wasn't uh programmed,even though I uh asked them to
program it.
So once I did that, it worked onthe Ethernet and uh made a
contact to Chris in the UK andthen Eric.
Um so that was good, so itworks.

(24:17):
And I just uh put it in um uh inmy uh my radio in the car.
So I'll be using it tomorrow,hopefully.

SPEAKER_04 (24:26):
Wasn't uh was it M0?
It's his call sign's M0 N A.
That's X A.
Uh that's right.
Uh yeah, yeah.
Chris, great guy.
He's always around.
And always uh fun to talk to forsure.
I know he's you know busytickering with all of his what's
the the equivalent to All-Starover in the UK?
He always keeps mentioning it,and I keep forgetting what it's

(24:46):
called.

SPEAKER_03 (24:47):
Well, they have a Hubnet, they call it, but it's
over All-Star Link and EchoLink, but I I don't know if
that's the one he's referringto.

SPEAKER_04 (24:54):
Maybe.
I I I know he sent me a link toit and I bookmarked it a long
time ago.
I was gonna go back and look atit.
Well, I think I know what you'retalking about, but yeah, I don't
recall.
It's a little different thanAll-Star, but sort of are on the
same, you know, kind offunctionality with the Freestar
or something like that.
Yeah, you probably know, butyeah.
Uh I'm like, I just need to getAll-Star under my belt first
before I decide to dive intoanother network.
I'm like, if you've got All-Starconnections, that's fine.

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Then I'll I'll I'll I'llcontinue to talk to you that
way.

SPEAKER_00 (25:20):
Yeah, so that was uh that's my my ham radio week.
Uh that's about it.
But like I said, Eric and I aregetting really close to the uh
to the rail trail, uh gettingthe uh what do we call it?
The the kilos.
So I've got uh what do I gottado, like 51, I think, to be tied
with you, and then we'll we'lldo a live stream and break it.

SPEAKER_04 (25:41):
Well, let's see here.

SPEAKER_00 (25:42):
You get all the good days.
I get like the shit days, andthen the next day he goes out,
he's like, Oh, I'm working DX, Igot Europe.
I'm like, shit, I can't even getlike Florida or Ohio.

SPEAKER_02 (25:53):
You I just want to point out that in the spring, we
were taking bets on when thiswas gonna happen.
Yeah.
And and now here we are in thefall, and it still hasn't
happened.

SPEAKER_00 (26:08):
It could have happened.
It's like we're taking our time.

SPEAKER_04 (26:11):
We I wanted to get it done a long time ago, but you
know, I know we both got busy atwork.
You've been very busy at work,you know.

SPEAKER_00 (26:18):
And I and I was coaching two baseball teams, and
you know, it was hard to get outof and I took away that little
uh, you know, uh wait a minute.
I did still have it.
It's as soon as baseball ended,I uh as soon as baseball I
started getting out there,right?

SPEAKER_04 (26:39):
So you you're stirring the ship back to the
ham radio, you know, island, andand we're all looking forward to
your return.

SPEAKER_00 (26:46):
So I I gotta go, I gotta go out to Portsmouth on
Wednesday.
So remember the last time I wentout there, I didn't do the park
that I wanted to, so I'll bedoing that one.
I'll probably do the rail trailuh either tomorrow or Tuesday.
We'll see.

SPEAKER_04 (26:59):
Well, you need 49, my friend.
49 and 49.
Yeah, to get up to where I'm at.
Uh and then we can start our uh20 uh trek to the last 25 to get
a dual kilo at the same time.
We'll be live streaming that.
So yeah, I uh I uh I'll I'lljust dive right in here.
I don't even do the segue.
Pocket fingers, you know, kickthose to the curb, my friend.

(27:21):
The bands have been freakinghot.
I don't know about you, but likeI've been watching you know
Discord and a whole bunch ofother people saying 10 meters
was crazy busy today.
And and two days ago, you know,20 and all the your usual bands
were.

SPEAKER_00 (27:33):
I'm gonna start I'm gonna start on 10 next time on
the railroad.
I've always been I've just beenstarting on 20 because everyone
says it sucks, and they're theonly ones I see on there, and I
figured I can get on there, butI love 10.
So if 10's opening, but youknow, I it knows the sun knows
it says, oh, Todd's going out toactivate.
Let's send a couple fuckingflares out.

(27:54):
Oh, Todd's on the West Coast.
Oh, yeah, we'll make itimpossible for him to activate.
Meanwhile, Eric's at therailroad, like, dude, I just got
like a hundred.
What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_04 (28:06):
Yeah.
Don't make me hit the button.
They don't know what the fuckthey're doing.
All right.
Well, with that, uh, you know, Ihave to say Friday was one of
those days I just got to like myend of my rope, work was all
done, and I'm like, you knowwhat?
I was sitting on the fencegoing, do I do a POTA?

(28:26):
Do I not do a PODA?
I looked at my watch, it waslike 4:30.
I said, F it, I'm getting in thecar and grabbed uh one of I uh
the it wasn't the Rybakov.
Matt gave me another, you know,one of his N feds, I think it
was his 80 through 10.
And I'm like, I haven't eventuned this thing.
So I'm like, all right, I'mgonna throw up the mast.
I'm gonna fool around with youknow getting the antenna tuned
up.
And and it was up in the air anduh on 20 in in a matter of like

(28:49):
you know 10-15 minutes, and thenyou know, I was like, well,
maybe uh I'll I'll be okay.
And I started getting littletrickles, but then I got one guy
out of Florida who was a park topark, and he picked me up on he
must have had polo because hepicked me up.
He's like, Oh, you're a famousYouTuber.
I'm like, no, I'm not.
I'm trying to talk him down.
Literally from that point on, itwas the fire hose.
It was like constantly likepileup after pile up after pile

(29:13):
up, and then a little break, andthen a pileup again.

SPEAKER_00 (29:15):
We're gonna need we're gonna have to get the like
990 because it's gonna take usfive hours to get through your
polo.
Oh, the famous YouTuber.
Oh, I love your channel for livestream yesterday.
I'll go like this.
I'm bringing my fishing pole.
I'll start fishing while you doyour photos.
Bad, man.
Not gonna be that bad, Iguarantee you.

SPEAKER_05 (29:37):
It was bad before you were famous.
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 (29:42):
My friend, exactly.
Yeah, Freddie, we were doing apolo at the railchal together,
and we're in this like huge pileup, and then I'll all of a
sudden like, oh, I love yourYouTube channel.
Screw the pile up, let's justhave a 20 minute Q so with the
guy.
I was like, dude, what about allthose people?

SPEAKER_03 (30:02):
Oh Lord, that's gotta be a good time right
there.
It will be.
It'll be live stream for sure.

SPEAKER_04 (30:07):
It'll be us two bickering in the middle of the
activation.
And it won't be like actuallymaking contacts.
It'll be just us complainingabout who comes up.

SPEAKER_00 (30:16):
When we did the solar eclipse, were we doing an
activation there?
Yeah.

unknown (30:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (30:21):
You mean a live stream?
Yeah.
Yeah, live stream or something.
Yeah.
So we go to the railroad duringthe solar eclipse.
Paul's like up in like the northcountry for the for the real
solar eclipse.
And like we get there thinking,oh, it's a nice sunny day, nice
and warm.
And all of a sudden it startsgoing, and like the bugs come
out.
The birds start going nuts.
It starts getting cold.

(30:42):
We're like, what the hell isgoing on?
The bands are all like, we'remaking contacts and they all
just die.
That was bad.
It was bad stuff.
That was quite the experience.
I was like, holy crap.
I tell you though, the birdswere going.
Remember how nuts they went?
And then we forgot the damn bugthings.
We're like, holy shit, we'regetting eaten alive.

SPEAKER_04 (31:01):
Yeah, there was no need for it.
It was beginning of spring.
It wasn't, they weren't comingout yet.

SPEAKER_00 (31:05):
Oh, they came out.

SPEAKER_04 (31:06):
Oh, it was a swarm hell.
It was like literally like thatwas fun, though.
That was definitely fun.
Yeah, well, hopefully that'll beour continuation of our live
stream.
And so I, you know, Todd and Iprobably haven't, you know,
flushed out all the details, butwe'll figure we're gonna do
obviously a giveaway tosomebody, a special prize for
the one who hits the thousandcontact.
We'll do a runner-up for the999th person because I know,

(31:28):
like Todd said in the past,there are gonna be people
hanging out waiting, waiting,waiting, waiting, and then you
know, they're gonna get trampledfast.
So, you know, that that's kindof my thought.
Although I a funny story was Iwas I was watching my numbers.
So I was like, I started at 926when I did the rail trail, and
I'm like, I can't go over 975because I told Todd I'd lock it
in at 975.
So I'm creeping up on 975, andso I'm I I did like the last

(31:52):
call, and every time I do a lastcall, I'm cursed.
Like everyone just Paul knows hesmiles because it's true.
Literally, like the bands godead, nobody answers me after
that point.
It actually flipped on me.
I started saying that a coupleof times, and then all of a
sudden I got more people coming.
And I was like, oh crap, I'mgetting closer.
So I make the announcement.
I'm like, guys, I have to stopat you know, the next five

(32:13):
contacts.
And you think I was giving awaya million dollars because
everybody was just like, pileon, want to be like one of those
five.
And so I get down to the lastcontact, I say, I'm going QRT.
And, you know, if I was withTodd, it would be like, Oh,
let's get the last one, let'sget the next guy, let's get the
next guy.
I shut, like, I basically turnedthe volume down, and then all of
a sudden I hear in thebackground of the guy, you know,

(32:34):
one of the other guys who'slike, I try, he throws out his
call and he's like, Where did hego?
And the guy's like, another guychimed me, he's like, Oh, he
must have really been seriouswhen he said he was going QRT
and he couldn't go any further.
I was like, Where was why was Inot recording that?
That would have been perfect.
So I was like, Yep, totally.
So I I had some fun with it.
It was good.
You know, we got it done in anhour, so it was like 57 contacts

(32:58):
in 58 minutes.

SPEAKER_00 (32:59):
So I got text of them, I'm like, oh yeah, I got
45 today in an hour.
And and I hear about so so I amlike my phone.
I tried to do an update on myiPhone, like there was a new
update, and it automatically andit started updating that work,
big mistake.
Didn't ask it to do it, just didit on its own.
And then everything went black.
Like black, like nothing.

(33:20):
It couldn't turn it on, couldn'tI holy shit.
So I was down near the mallwhere the Apple store is, so I
said, All right, I'll go inthere.
Three o'clock.
I'm like, all right, I'll go inthere.
Should be a big, I said, hey,this thing automatically update
went black.
Like, oh yeah, it's a patchproblem.
Yeah, we can fix that.
Two hours later, I'm walking outof that store.

(33:43):
Now, I've got my brother intown, who I haven't seen yet,
who's like, I thought you wereleaving at three.
Yeah, had a little detour.
I hear Eric, a ham ham alertcomes up, and one J U R at the
rail truck.
I'm like, oh, fucking great,here it goes.
And then hide it.
And then I got my kid textingme, which he must have texted me

(34:06):
between three and five, like athousand times, because when my
phone came back to life, it waslike bing, boom, boom, boom,
boom, boom, boom.
So I'm driving and it just keepspopping up.
And I'm like, holy shit.
I'm like, I get home and goes,come on, dad, we're gonna be
late.
It was homecoming high schoolgame, so I had to go to the
football game.
So I get to the I mean, it waslike like the worst end of my

(34:26):
day.
And then to hear, I go, Oh, howmany did you get?
Oh, you just have to find out,and then it freaking pops up,
and then he's bragging about iton his morning brew.
I didn't brag about it.
I got like 53 in like an hour.
It was easy.
Seven, seven, whatever.
Seven.

SPEAKER_04 (34:47):
Uh so yeah, all in all, it was fun.
It was good.
It's good competition.
Just hit the button, my just hitthe button.
So, yeah, all in all, it wasgood.
Uh, you know, I was kind of gladto see.
I the one thing I really waslike super excited about was we
had a freaking lot of DX.
I mean, I had Italy, theNetherlands, Spain.
Wow.
Um, all of them were pounding inhard, and they were strong

(35:08):
stations.
And I'm just like I hadMinnesota, a lot of Wisconsin,
Nebraska, Iowa.
Yeah, my spread pattern was likeall DX.
I was like, oh, dude, this issweet.
So yeah, it was fun.
It was good to have some of it.
It felt like, you know, whenSolar Cycle 25 was at the peak,
where like you could literallylike put up a wet noodle and

(35:29):
make contacts, you know, overthe pond without any effort.
So yeah, I was uh quite uh quitehappy.
Made me good.

SPEAKER_02 (35:36):
That's the power of the reliance antenna.

SPEAKER_04 (35:39):
Exactly, my friend.
That that was, you know, I willnever doubt that power because I
was almost ready to pull myvertical out.
But I'm like, no, I'm gonna dothis.
I'm just gonna set this damnthing up, even if I have to, you
know, do the mass dance everytime trying to retune the thing,
you know.
And it thank God it only took melike a second or two to get it
done.
But yeah, once I got it in thesweet spot, I was like, that
must be my problem.

SPEAKER_00 (35:58):
So I was using the vertical.
That must have been it.
Well, Paul, you have any retort?
Stupid buddy pole.
Hey, we could have used that the24-hour poda.
I'm sure it would have beengreat for making contact for
hearing people.

SPEAKER_04 (36:16):
No, because the 24-hour PODA we used the
Reliance antenna, you know, whatrandom wire.
That was the only thing thatworked.
It was uh the stupid hex beamwas so.
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (36:25):
We were we were I started off the 24-hour poda,
and like I couldn't hear squat.
Like they were so far down, andthere's so much noise.
And as soon as it started,everyone joins in like right at
the thing.
I have no headphones, and I'mtrying to pull the weakest
signal I've ever heard.
And everyone's having a thing,and I can't hear I'm getting

(36:46):
like now I'm getting frustrated.
I'm like, I'm activating thispark.
I gotta get 10.
And I was there for like what,an hour and a half, and then
Paul goes over and he gives meheadphones, but doesn't tell me
there's a volume thing on it.
So I'm like, everyone's gottaget out of here.
I can't hear anyone.
And then Tim comes by and hestarts doing freaking CQs right
here.

(37:07):
And then he gives me the hegoes, hey, there's volume.
And then finally, uh, I don'tknow how long, like, hey, do you
want to try the random wire?
And they plug that thing in andall goes quiet.
I can hear everything.
And I was like, I'm pig andshit.
I'm like, we're back.
The boom though.
Yeah.
So it was all good.
Yeah, but that random wire, I'mlike, just remember to tune.

(37:29):
We gotta tune every time youchange bands, tune that right.
But it was it was awesomethough.
That thing was and then I I wasI had to put it away, and I
couldn't believe like it didn'tlook that big, like up in the
air and stuff.
But when you start rolling thatthing up, I was like, shit, is
this ever gonna what was it 140feet?

SPEAKER_04 (37:47):
More than uh 165 feet.
Counterpoise was 130 or 120feet, according to Mike.
I mean, uh it took a while tolike wrap that back up.
I don't want to hear it.
I'm putting it on my 80 meter.
You gave it to me, and thensomehow in the truck ride home,
it decided to become theproverbial Christmas ball of

(38:08):
lights, and I had to likeuntangle the whole entire thing
because I'm not gonna give itback to Izzo, you know, in this
like mess so nicely.
Yeah, it wasn't so nicely by thetime I got it home.
I don't know what happened.
It was horrible, but it wasslick as snot wire, so it didn't
untangle that difficult.
Oh, that's good.
You know, all in all, yeah.
Definitely use a kitewinder,guys.

(38:29):
Come on, even if you have tomake a piece of cardboard, you
put your brain in gear, make iteasier for the rest of us.
Uh, all right.
Well, cool.
With that, it sounds like uh alot to be had for sure.
And so, yeah, pay attention.
We'll definitely be doing uhannouncements of once we do our
uh rail trail uh you know uhlive stream.
And um, yeah, it's gonna be funfor sure.

(38:50):
I know Paul will be in thebackground, you know, ridiculing
us.
Maybe I I will be like, I amgonna be on the high alert if
you're gonna be that you knowsad ham lid going tuning up on
our frequency the whole entiretime, following us all.
Like, don't get any ideas.

SPEAKER_02 (39:08):
Oh no, I'm I'm just gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna play
like Biden clips and and Trumpclips.
Great.

SPEAKER_04 (39:16):
Without without identifying.

SPEAKER_00 (39:18):
We'll know who we'll be doing it on 7200.

SPEAKER_04 (39:22):
We will blend in fine.
Yeah.
A lot of us are really smart.

SPEAKER_02 (39:27):
I'm really smart.

SPEAKER_04 (39:29):
Yes, you are.

SPEAKER_02 (39:33):
What do you think?
I could use a good ass kick, andI'll be very honest with you.

SPEAKER_04 (39:37):
All right.
Well, let's get this train backon the tracks here, my friends.
We we have a uh a guest ofhonor, a great friend, and uh
definitely a fellow YouTuber, uhFreddie Mack.
Uh, you know, you guys mightknow him as the Ham Radio
Crusader, uh, great all-starguy, knows his uh you know sheet
and gets it done, um, and uh isdefinitely uh uh the resource

(40:02):
and the person to go to.
So we invited him on and wesaid, Freddie, help us, teach us
oh wise one, you know, we willbe your powder wands, um, you
know, and uh let uh let let init bestow such amazing things as
All-Star to us and uh you knowcatch us up to speed for sure.
So uh before we do that,actually, so you know, kind of
give us a little backtrack forthose that might not uh be in

(40:22):
tune with Freddie and hischannel.
And if you aren't, I'm like,what are you doing?
Like, are you not watchingYouTube?
Because he is a big re uh bigawesome resource out there for
sure.
But uh over to you, Freddie.
Tell us a little bit about youand and how you got into this uh
crazy uh hobby like ham radio,and and then we'll go in and
I'll start from there.

SPEAKER_03 (40:41):
Sounds like a plan.
Uh I'm Freddie Mack, aka yourham radio crusader from the ham
radio crusader YouTube channel.
I have a website, it looks likeit's from 1991.
It's uh hamradolife.org, and Iactually recently acquired
hamradolife.com.
So if you have trouble findingthe uh YouTube channel, go there
and it'll get you right whereyou need to be.

(41:03):
But uh I've been in amateurradio since 1998.
Uh I think I was about uh 10years ago I got upgraded to
General.
And of course, I ever since Iwas a little bitty kid, always
fascinated with CBs and two-wayradios.
My parents got me one of those GWiz, I used to have them right
here, those GE General Electriclittle Walmart uh walkie-talkies

(41:26):
from the 1970s.
It was like on 49 megahertz.
Yeah.
And they were they were superstupid awesome for us kids, you
know.
And you you got a nine-voltbattery to power it with, and
then when it ran out, you beggedyour parents to buy you another
one because that was like themost expensive battery on the
market, apparently.

SPEAKER_04 (41:43):
I had the Buck Rogers one, so yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (41:45):
I'll see, yeah, yeah.
I remember those as well.
But uh, you know, I spent 33years in law enforcement, and I
tell you what, it was uh it wasit was tough because in
Oklahoma, when you work as adeputy sheriff, you don't make a
lot of money.
You try to keep your family fed,and yada yada yada.
And ham radio kind of took aback seat.

(42:06):
And on occasion, here and there,uh I acquired my first uh HF rig
along the way, uh Kenwood TS440SAT.
Loved it because of theautomatic antenna tuner and
connected it to a G5RV antennathat I was uh fortunate enough
to acquire and strung it up inthe backyard without my wife's
end, and uh made a contact inthe suburbs of Chicago from

(42:29):
Oklahoma, and I was just tickledas a pig in shit.
I tell you, it was great.
And I was so excited, I forgotto write his call sign down.
Like, hey, I'm talking toChicago.
Anyway, about a week later, mywife's transmission went out.
So that had so many radio wentby.

(42:50):
Yeah, radio went, and I tellyou, it was always a good
investment because I did thattwice, always sold them for more
than I paid for it.
And you know, just it justworked out.
But you know, for a lot ofyears, ham radio took a back
seat.
So when I got close toretirement, I started like, hey,
I want to do I want to do aYouTube channel.
I want to I want to be able todevote my time to this.

(43:11):
And I already had one and I wastinkering with uh Oki
Archaeology is focused aroundsmall town Oklahoma history, but
I wanted to do ham and hamradio.
So I I started the channel, andI think my very first uh content
to the channel was a live streamof my there's there's two kind
of final calls in lawenforcement, and the one that I

(43:32):
made is the one that you want tomake.
It's your last transmission onretirement day, it's like your
last sign off.
The other final call is uh youdon't want to talk about it,
yeah.
Right.
The one where you pass in theline of duty.
But I was fortunate enough tohave a final call in retirement,
it was great, and uh started thechannel after that, and I

(43:54):
thought you know what?
I I heard about thisAll-Starlink business, and I'm
like, I I want to do that.
And I didn't know the differencebetween Ham Voip software and
ASL software, I didn't know theywere two different things.
They're two softwares that usethe same service, right?
So I started watching videos onYouTube like everybody else

(44:15):
does, because YouTube is ouruniversity of knowledge now, and
I was getting mixed signals, Iwas getting ham voip information
and I was applying ASLinformation to ham voip
information, and everything wentwrong.
I was getting discouraged, anduh it was tough.
So once I got a handle onthings, I thought, you know

(44:36):
what?
Don't get me wrong.
There was folks out there thathad good videos on how to get
started, but they weren'tspecific enough.
I'm detail oriented, you know.
When you're a public servant, ifyou don't have the details, you
you kind of get set back.
So it is what it is.
So I thought, you know what,let's just do that.
Start building nodes and do somevideos, and all of them at the

(44:57):
beginning were hand void becausethat's where all the features
were in All-Starlink, theAll-Star Link world.
ASL3 had their version 1.1, theyhad a version 2.
They don't get me wrong, I loveAll-Star Link, but the early
versions were a little vanilla,and they were basically oriented
towards an actual PC with Debiansoftware on them or you know,

(45:19):
Linux software, and theyeventually evolved out into a
Raspberry Pi version, but therejust wasn't a lot of uh add-ons
that were uh that were uhcompatible with their version.

SPEAKER_04 (45:32):
Well, and most of it was all command line too, like
exactly.

SPEAKER_03 (45:35):
There was hardly any GUI at all.
And they did have a decentdashboard, it wasn't horrible.
They had all modif.
That was the one I messed withthe most.
I did one ASL install and setupearly on, and I'm like, okay, I
did it, went back to Hamboy.
But as time went on, June oflast year, June of 2023, I got
in touch, I got contacted bysome guys with All-Star Link,

(46:00):
the board members andhigher-ups, as it were, and
they're like, hey, we got agrant from is it ARDC?

SPEAKER_04 (46:07):
Yeah, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_03 (46:08):
They got a grant from them to rewrite ASL, and
they developed ASL3, and they'relike, hey, we want you to do the
uh the announcement video forit.
You know, you you do the videofor the for an initial install,
we'll take a look at it, makesure it's what we, you know, the
message we want to convey.

(46:29):
And and they didn't try tohandle me on anything, really.
It's just like, hey, this isthis is good, but this could it
could be better, like this.
And they were so right, it'stotally what it was.
And it was like the cloudsparted, the sun shined through,
and it was it was amazing.
Exactly.

(46:49):
Oh my god, like we got a brandnew version, we got the most
updated version of the asteriskserver, we got the most updated
version of Debian because uhHamvoIP runs on Arch Linux, and
there's nothing wrong with that,but it's always been a security
issue because you operate in theroot directory in Hamvoi the
whole time, you know, it's onewrong move and you're done.
Where ASL3, you're an asteriskuser, and you you have to get

(47:13):
into the root, so it just youknow protects you a little bit
there.
Plus, they put their own littlefirewall in it and you know,
made it just made everythinggreat again.
So yeah, I stumbled uh quite abit at first, but I've got a
direct line to those those guys,and I'm like, hey, you know, I
want to be able to do this, or Iwant to be able to do this, or
you know, why is this notworking?

(47:34):
And they get me they get melined out pretty quick.
Wow, but it's yeah, they'regreat, and I tell you, it's been
just a true blessing, andnowhere to go up but from there.
But I mean, it is what it is.

SPEAKER_04 (47:50):
As we start to rattle off all of our, you know,
Linux commands off the top ofour heads here.

SPEAKER_02 (47:57):
Dude, um, so it's amazing.
Like you type the same commandsover and over enough times, you
start to remember them.
Oh yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_04 (48:07):
Wait till you start using sed and awk.
Those those are oh my gosh.
Once I get back into the rhythmof it, I could probably give you
all the option switches andeverything else like that.
But yeah, oh my gosh, when Ilearned those tools, I was like,
why was I doing it the otherway?
Like it was just so stupid.

SPEAKER_03 (48:25):
Well, and I'm I'm the same way because I was a
Linux fanboy for years and yearsand years, and I always would
start off in Ubuntu because Iguess it was most available,
looked to look the neatest andall that other stuff.
But as time went by, andespecially since I got involved
with ASL3, it's I'm a Debianfanboy from the get-go.
I'm just I'm having a lot offun.

(48:46):
Lots of fun.

SPEAKER_04 (48:48):
Modem commands, Mike, good job.

SPEAKER_03 (48:53):
Dude, I remember modem commands from way back.

SPEAKER_04 (48:56):
Oh my gosh.
That and just uh having to writecommand set for every modem
chipset out there.
Oh my gosh, I would my headagainst the wall constantly.
Every, you know, if it's not uhUS robotics modem, then you know
it's garbage.
Dude, that was the Cadillac ofmodems, was it not?
Oh, they were the expensivemost, too.
It's like I were I used to workfor a financial institution, and

(49:18):
when they were like, oh, we'rejust gonna upgrade, we're gonna
get rid of all of our USrobotics modem external modems
and replace them with uhchassis.
Uh, we're just gonna throw theseaway.
I'm like, hell no, I'm takingthese Vincent K modem with me.
Yep, exactly.
We'll we'll work it out of theback of a truck.
So all right, so yeah.
So you you gotta direct line tothe all-star folks.
So kind of just give folks ageneral layout of like, you

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know, the the high level 50,000foot level.
Why would you want to doall-star instead of you know,
say something like DMR or any ofthose other modes?
Because I know Grouch obviouslywas in that camp for a long time
before he decided to see thelight and come this way.

SPEAKER_02 (49:56):
Well, I I I I went I went Pi Star to WPSD, right?
So, but everything was yeah,with a pie and an MMDVM hat.
Yep.
Digital radio, yep.
And I and I was like, well,there's gotta be a way that I
can use the pies that I havewith the MMDVM hats for All
Star, right?

SPEAKER_04 (50:17):
No, well, partially, yes.

SPEAKER_03 (50:21):
Only with a clear note, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_04 (50:24):
Yeah, it's a good question.
I I I I never gotten a clearanswer on that one from why that
works for them and not for theothers.
Maybe you have the insight tothat one, but uh because they
developed it.

SPEAKER_03 (50:36):
They developed a proprietary board that is analog
and digital, and they were smartenough to write an awesome app,
phone app interface for it aswell.
And you know, I I I have neverhad a clear node.
I and I was I've given theopportunity a few times to use a
gentleman's app who has one, andhis node was actually in North

(50:58):
Carolina, but I had the phoneapp on my phone and I could
still reprogram his node.

SPEAKER_04 (51:03):
Yeah.
And I could just use theflexibility of it.

SPEAKER_03 (51:05):
Yes, it's great, it's very convenient.
And but I just I just realized Idon't know if there's a local
browser interface if you're onthe same network as the clear
node.

SPEAKER_04 (51:16):
So your clear node, obviously the the interface that
he wrote is a software app, butif you want to like control it
locally over your say, you know,either VPN connection or
whatever, um, you gotta run likeall mod or supermon.

SPEAKER_03 (51:28):
Sure, sure.
And which makes sense.
That makes total sense.

SPEAKER_04 (51:30):
Okay.
And so that's kind of how Imanage it when I'm at home or
whatever, and I want to be ableto just browse into it, kind of
thing.

SPEAKER_03 (51:37):
Did they give you the ability to do an SSH client
session into it as well?

SPEAKER_04 (51:40):
The nice part about is that it's full pie, so it's
not like a super customized uhOS.
So you literally can doeverything you normally do,
tailoring all the scripts.
You just have to know thenomenclature of like, okay, when
that node writes out to the law,like the certain config files,
make sure you've got theappropriate, like it doesn't
edit out your file or doesn'tedit out any of the changes you

(52:01):
do manually because it willoverwrite you know some of that
stuff as part of the software.
So that's a little caveat you'vegot to pick up on that.
And and don't ask me how I know,but um I've made too many
changes and going, why aren'tthey working?
Especially when I started toplay with ham voIP, and I'm
like, oh cool, I can connect myASL no my uh clear node to my
hamvoIP you know extension.

(52:22):
I got it all working, and then Imade one change and it reset
everything.
I was like, why is it allworking?
No.

SPEAKER_03 (52:27):
Oh, you know.
Well, as turnkey all-star nodesgo, I would say clear node has
probably got the most functionaluh for the first-time user, uh,
my experience because of theease of use as far as ease of
setup for a conventional user.

SPEAKER_04 (52:46):
Okay.
So let's let's kind of back totrain up.
So so someone who's new to this,where would you kind of lead
them to?
And yeah, we'll we use Todd asour uh you know student uh
relationship, but you know weuse Todd as the basic appliance
operator.

SPEAKER_03 (53:00):
Yeah, that'd be well if you're an appliance operator,
yeah, then that'd be that'd be adirection I'd head you in.
But you know, I've had a lot ofhams come to me, it's like I
want to do All-Starlink, butsome of them are like, I want to
do, I want to build my own node.
I want to, you know, they're thetinkerer like I am, but you have
appliance operators as well.
And I'm like, I've got to feelthem out first.

(53:22):
I'm like, okay, tell me what youwant to do first, you know,
because a lot of them I want tobuild my own node.
But if you if you're if you justwant a good turnkey, I want to
order it and set it up and leaveit alone so that I can get back
to the other parts of ham radiothat I love, then I start
directing them towards ClearNodeor HotspotRadios.com or Kits for

(53:44):
Hams, because they make somereally good turnkey nodes based
on a Raspberry Pi.
Uh three or five.
I think most of them are going,I'm sorry, four or five.
Most of them are going four andfives now.
And uh the pricing is right.
Hotspotradios.com, Marshall,whose call sign I can't remember
right now, is one of theco-owners.

(54:05):
He's a retired LA Countyfireman.
He also does he volunteers timefor All Star Link to do uh
troubleshooting and um uh techsupport for those that are
having issues.
And he's a great guy, developeda great, he makes that.
I don't know if you've seen thatlittle mini repeater that I have
in my truck, hotspotradios.com.

(54:26):
It's got two SA818 chips on it,one for transmit, one for
receive.
And it does full duplex, truefull duplex.
That's the node that I did theauto patch on the auto patch
video, and what an auto patchwas supposed is supposed to work
on a half duplex uh link uhstandard all-star node, but it

(54:47):
works best on full duplexbecause you're transmitting at
the same time.
So but uh he makes severaldifferent uh nodes.
I saw he makes uh a USB hotduplex repeater, the hotspot
radio itself.
It runs off of a Pi 3, a Pi 4,Pi 5, whatever you designate.

(55:08):
It's all like a it's all all inone.
And he also I'm sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 (55:13):
So question with this the the this is kind of the
thing as I stumbled upon thiswhen Todd and I were just
bouncing back and and talkingabout stuff.
Uh uh the duplex repeater, isthat just basically you have a
need for an additional pie inorder to be able to run the ASL
software on it to build aninterface?
Is that how this device is youknow handling the hardware side
of stuff, or is it just a full,complete turnkey in another pie?

SPEAKER_03 (55:36):
It's gotta have a pie.
It's just gotta have one pie.
Okay, so it's gotta have one pieto be able to run it.
Okay.
And I've had a lot of it's avery good question, Eric.
Very good question becauseeverybody's like, why do you
need a mini repeater in yourcar?
You know, and you know, at firstI thought, you know, I'm not
really sure.
I want to do an auto patchvideo.
But later on, it became veryevident one very good reason.
Now, every spring, uh Jason, uhuh KC5 HWB and and Tank and uh

(56:03):
Digital Rancher and all of us goto Springfield, Missouri, Kyle
AA0Z.
We go up there for theoverlanding expo, the Moore
Expo, there in Springfield,Missouri.
And we camp.
Okay.
So I got uh my hotspot repeaterin the truck and the transmit uh
antenna, I have it hooked to anoutside mobile antenna, and the

(56:24):
receive antenna is on theinside, so it gives a little bit
of separation because the theantennas are much more efficient
than the ones that come with itbecause they're removable and
you get to replace them.
And we camp on the northeastcorner of the entire Springfield
uh fairgrounds, and the expobuilding is completely on the

(56:44):
other side.
This place is huge.
I mean, it's like a 20-minutewalk.
Nah, it's probably about a10-15-minute walk from the from
the campsite over to the expobuilding and up and down the
whole nine yards.
And uh the Nix Radio Club had abooth set up, Alpha Antenna had
a booth set up there on that, acomplete other side, and I'm
talking on my little walkie.

(57:05):
I used my my my uh well, my tdheight for a while, and totally
full quieting on uh my repeater.
So I'm thinking this is theperfect example.
I'm on the other side of thecampus talking on my repeater.
Those guys at the camp are alsogetting the V the benefit of

(57:26):
that repeater for All-Starlink.
It's like a local repeater, butit's also connected to
All-Starlink.
And we had it hooked up toJason's hub and the 43136 hub,
like you know, you and I areconnected to on a frequency
pair.

SPEAKER_04 (57:39):
How do you work the frequency pairs with that?

SPEAKER_03 (57:42):
I well, you you gotta be careful, especially
when you're out of town.
Especially if you're out oftown, you gotta like do your
little research, make sureyou're not gonna interfere with
a local repeater, because youcan just reprogram it right
there on the fly as long asyou've got a computer interfaced
on the same network as yournode, and then you can just uh

(58:02):
reprogram your transmit andreprogram it you receive SA818
chips, and you're good to goagain because there is no
duplexer, you're doing a watt.
Right, right and you've gotantenna separation, it sounds
amazing.
But the guys at camp get to talkon it, I can hear them.
So think about it if it's asimplex link like we're used to
on a regular node, I'm acrosscampus and talking into the

(58:25):
all-star link.
When I'm talking into a simplexnode, it's only going back out
over the network.
So the guys at camp aren'thearing my walkie all the way on
the other side of the campus,and I'm probably doing five
watts tops.
Oh, if they do hear me, it'sweak.
But if I'm running a mobilerepeater, it's retransmitting
locally and they're hearingeverything I say, I can hear

(58:47):
everything they say, and theneverybody that you're connected
to on your node hears everythingthat you say.
So it's really good for a littlegroup situation.
We used it again at uh at umDayton invention.
We used it again at um atHuntsville, of course.
Yeah, I had it up at Huntsville,but uh Jason's node was closer

(59:08):
to everybody else, so you knowit's whatever you wanted to do.
But if you have a group, youknow, they can all benefit from
a repeater versus a simplexlink, depending on where
everybody's at.

SPEAKER_04 (59:18):
So okay.
So basically their hotspot radiois basically their full fledged,
full pie, all-star setup.

SPEAKER_03 (59:24):
Right, it's it's a full-fledged, full duplex, uh,
all-star link node.

SPEAKER_04 (59:28):
But which is pretty much like what you have with the
clear node there, Todd.
Although it's the web interfaceversus like a mobile app kind of
thing.

SPEAKER_02 (59:36):
But and and for that, for that price, it better
come plug and play.

SPEAKER_04 (59:43):
Well, better for the clear node.
Although I don't know what isthe price going for the the
hotspot one.
I don't see one on there.

SPEAKER_03 (59:49):
198 for the hotspot radio saw duplex repeater.
Of course, you gotta reply, yougotta supply your own uh
Raspberry Pi.
Yeah, and it's it's justbeautiful.
And it I've I ro I get on it anddo nets, you know.
connect to a different net everyor not a different net I connect
to the same net every Saturdaymorning the Delaware Valley O my
Omic net in uh well it's in uhPhiladelphia where the

(01:00:11):
repeater's at but a bunch ofpeople connect into it and it
runs for about an hour hour anda half and it doesn't even get
hot.
It is it's amazing.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:21):
Put it this way that hotspot radio with uh hotspot
radios Paul is 298.
The clear note is 390 almost 390$100 more.
So yeah you're you're definitelyyou know you get a little bit
more of the hands-on stuff thatyou are used to you know with
this hotspot radio but it's allkind of turnkey for you and you
know uh pretty much out of thebox kind of thing so that's not

(01:00:42):
too bad yeah I mean I just Ijust wanted to take this little
guy right which has got theMMDVM hat and it's a Pi 3B I
wanted to take this and justturn it into an all-star node
and then I realized that wellall-star doesn't work with an
MMDVM thanks for that Freddie Iappreciate you and this is

(01:01:06):
that's just all there's to itand you know the whole digital
analog argument for me I startedout on analog don't get me wrong
I love a lot of digital modesbut when All Starlink I found
it's analog only technically youknow except for what gets
digitized over the internet isis what I wanted.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:27):
I love the sound of an analog signal and uh All
Starlink its use of the asteriskserver gives you that audio
quality that's above and beyondwhat Echo Link could provide.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:41):
Well and you kind of hit it on the head like that's
the biggest gripe with like wehave our club repeaters at DR2
and you think anybody would usethe digital side no like that
was like everyone complains wheneverybody's in uh C4 FM mode
sometimes use it.
We we just do it to annoy somepeople sometimes where we want
to get that little extra coupleof miles just out of the fringe.

(01:02:03):
But yeah everyone hates itbecause they just hate that like
you know annoying you know ifyour radio does pick it up and
so I'm like I want to have Iwant to be in another state in
another like you know uh in thetip of Maine on vacation and
still be able to like hit ourusual nets and stuff like that.
So like All Stars awesome youknow kind of scenario for that.
So yeah I've been put we've beenpushing hard for that with our

(01:02:25):
club because uh our repeater'sin a decent spot but it it could
be better and that's where ohyeah that's that's the problem
with I mean I I don't know whatthe train is like where you're
at Freddie but you know up herelike if we don't have a mountain
in front of us then it's likealmost like why don't you have a
mountain in front of us becauseit's literally like everything's
all red and highlight and ifyour repeater is not on top of

(01:02:46):
that mountain that's above allthe other mountains it's like
hit or miss.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:50):
So like I just got the you know I just got the
all-star node and um I'm justjumping into it.
So I just you know Eric was likeyou got to get on this you got
to see how it works you can dothis and then I started looking
and then I was like screw it I'mjust gonna pull the plug so I
did it and got it set up andmade the two contacts so

(01:03:10):
tomorrow I'm gonna be at workbut what's gonna be cool is I
have a you know I do juvenileprobation so we have a work
called yeah no I I'm trust me goback on some of our podcasts and
uh you'll see I I've I I'mbegging I'm trying to get laid
off or retirement earlyretirement.
I got a date my my my officialdate that I can fully retire and

(01:03:34):
give no penalties is uh December1st 2031 holy so hold on it it
gets better because I called theretirement lady and she hooked
me up and uh yeah it might it'sgonna be earlier.
Trust me like oh yeah Todd we'vegot you we know where we're
gonna go about she's like lookat she told me she goes this is
how she goes the state sucks letme show you how to screw them

(01:03:57):
over so I filled out all thisinformation and she's it's gonna
take about three to four weeksbut once you get that you'll
have all the numbers and thenyou can get it you'll be out of
here wasting so oh that's goodto work but anyway so I got the
note so it's gonna be cool isI'm gonna be able to bring the
node in the car bring the HT andbe able to use the radio while

(01:04:18):
I'm using the work car and nothave to like you know be
stealthy and sticking like amagma out on the car and I'm
probably getting called out likewhy are you doing that?
But uh but you know and I and II really think that you know the
idea behind especially for likeclub repeaters ex especially in
the Northeast is huge because ohyeah you know it would be

(01:04:40):
awesome too like you know if weall people move away you know
and let's say you know you movedown south and you get out of
the snow and you still want totalk to your buddies well if
you're not on an All-Star Linkor Echo Link or your your
repeaters are on there you'rekind of shit out of luck.
We used to we used to have EchoLink and I actually did one of

(01:05:01):
our nets or participated in oneof our nets from St.
John in the U.S.
Virgin Islands from Echolinkwhich was kind of cool.
Cool but it would be cool to beable to do it from All-Star or
anywhere I'm I'm at and Paul tooas he's traveling the country
could still get on the repeaterand I can still talk to him.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:21):
Just even an all-star in general but yeah and
the beautiful thing about ASL3well I mean you could even do it
in Hamvoipe you can configureyour Echolink connection inside
of ASL3 are you familiar withIRLP the Internet Repeater
Linking Project if you have anaccount for them you can also
configure it inside of yourAll-Star Link node.

(01:05:44):
So it's like it makes your likelet's say for mine here at home
I I configured it my Echo Linksite as KD5FMU-L.
And it if I go onto the Echolinkwebsite right now you would see
that it's online.
So anybody on the outside wantedto connect in through Echo Link
to that node, you would betalking over my All-Star Link

(01:06:04):
node.
I could in turn put in the rightDTMF sequence or go through the
Supermon Allmon browser and typein the right sequence and do a
DTMF from there, then you'redoing an all-star or an Echo
Link connection outbound.
As long as you got the portsopen in your router just like
you would if you set up aregular Echo Link node it's a

(01:06:25):
totally doable thing.
And there's a lot of folks outthere that want to hang on to
that echo link.
And you know I kind of do too toto a to a fashion you know our
70 centimeter 70 centimeterrepeater when it when I have the
all the All-Star link node backup on it it logs in on the KD5
FMU-R, which I am this close todirectly integrating an All-Star

(01:06:49):
Link node to our Yesu DR2Xrepeater.
I almost had it right before themove started.
I actually got it to PTT but itwouldn't pick up on cost because
I had the wires backwards.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:01):
Oh my god there is a couple of I noticed on the
repeater like Ryan who's not uhhe's our silent member of the
show but uh been with us sinceday one he's uh our buy once cry
once kind of guy and so he'sbuilding another repeater and
he's backending his wholeall-star you know kind of
component so he's got all thecables and everything else like

(01:07:22):
that matched up and um yeah it'sdefinitely an interesting
challenge to get that sillystupid repeater to you know
behave uh we know what's the wayyou want it to yeah yeah and
it's you know what it's easierif you want to go that way to
build your own repeater becauseall-star link and all-star link
node is a repeater controller atthe end of the day it's a

(01:07:43):
computerized repeater controllereven in a simplex radio setting
it's that's what they call asemi half duplex right repeater
but pretty much yeah it'sone-sided but you have a full
blu full duplex node it's arepeater man and all star link
is your controller so and you'vegot so much functionality oh my
gosh I I've got mine set up toconnect every night at it's 11

(01:08:09):
p.m my time to the Puget Soundrepeater group's net in Seattle
they have three nets a day everyday on a two-meter repeater that
must be bad to the bone becausethat thing gets timed out all
the time but you know just thecertain functionality I've I've
made so many friends that I'venever met over All Starlink it's

(01:08:31):
crazy.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:33):
And for those who are listening my home node 58176
can now have inbound connectionsagain because I've got the real
internet at my house behind me.
None of this uh you know hotspotstuff.
Exactly just I I went the firstnight we were we spent the night
here we all we have is Apple TV.

(01:08:54):
We don't have a TV antenna andit's like we need to watch TV.
I maxed out three hotspots in inlike a night and a half like oh
crap we got to get internetquick.
We're gonna throttle you fast myfriend yeah boy they will hit
that 30 gig mark and you'redown.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:09):
So let's kind of back up the trail a little bit
for those that don't have anyprior uh all-stars so like
obviously you recommended uh theclear node side of things before
we got detoured but uh you knowso say like we're you know a
knucklehead and you're willingto kind of dive into the you
know the Linux world and and putstuff together what parts kind
of in general would yourecommend for someone to go out
and pick so they don't have tospend the and this is my problem

(01:09:32):
is like when I dove into AllStar it was like oh pie a Sherry
node or no buy the USB Devoncleor you know like there's so many
things out there it's like justtell me oh dear you know Freddie
Mac what is the right ones tobuy?

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:45):
Well and you know there's no right and wrong
necessarily cut to the chase andjust go to what you recommend.
Simply the ones I recommend themost now if you want a turnkey I
recommend hotspotradios.com butI don't dis I don't want to
disparage kits for hams at allbecause they make a very good
product a very good product andI can't say enough about clear

(01:10:08):
note I I I wanted to say morebecause I I've never owned one
yet and I'm gonna get to thatit's gonna come it's on my list
of things to do.
But if you want quick and easyand turnkey hotspotradios.com
kits for hams they're theclosest thing you get now you're
gonna see some stuff on Amazonthat looks like some of Kits for

(01:10:29):
Hams projects but it's gonna becalled Guzizu or some other
Chinese randomly generated brandname that looks a lot like one
of the Kits for Hams boxes andthey're crap.
Occasionally you will get onethat's okay.
I set one up for a friend I dida video on it it's called Attack

(01:10:49):
of the Clones because it's acloned All-Star Link node it
took a little bit and if Ihadn't watched another
YouTuber's video I would havenever got it set up because it
looks the same but it is not setup the same.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:00):
It's difficult and it's cheaper that's what the
draw is okay so just if itdoesn't say one of those brands
and you know I'm if there areother brands that I'm missing
and I haven't reviewed yet get ahold of me I I'd love to you
know spread the good word abouta nice dependable easy to set up
all-star link node totally allof it so you you've obviously

(01:11:22):
listed kids for hams but thennow you haven't been clear which
one of the five devices on kidsfor hams well I'll tell you the
one that I bought first.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:31):
I bought the Shari Pi hat uh four it's the what
they call the Neo Pi 4 nowbecause it's a Neo case and that
case is like all aluminum and itconnects right to the chip you
know the CPU because the case isthe heatsink and they have a
cooling fan option.

(01:11:51):
Get that option in Oklahoma it'sI I know it gets hot where you
guys live but man there's a nextlevel kind of summer heat here
that is all about the humidityas well as about the heat swamp
crotch work yes yes prettypretty close yeah so uh my my
shari got hot a few times in thetruck because I converted it

(01:12:13):
into the truck when I was stillon hamvoip and it started acting
a little funny so I thought youknow what I'm gonna go ahead and
I put a cooling fan on it myselfand I got several more months
out of it but now it the audiois so terrible it's it just got
too hot too many times.
And because I would leave itrunning in the truck on a couple
of about 20 amp hours of of uhlit lipo battery in there and it

(01:12:38):
didn't do it well.
But since I switched to thatfull duplex uh little mini
repeater from Hotspot Radios thething hasn't missed a beat as
far you know standing the heatand the traffic and whole nine
yards but with all that no goahead go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 (01:12:57):
So this Pi 4 basically is a full complete you
know it is kit and everything.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:02):
Okay it is uh now you can you can buy it a few
different ways completely builtwhich obviously you're gonna pay
a little more money for but thebeauty of kids for hams is it
comes in view UHF or VHF orHotspot Radios' products are at
all UHF so if you want a VHFoption you you probably should

(01:13:23):
look at Kids for Hams becausethey have they use quality
products like hot uh HotspotRadios does and they stand
behind it and they support it.
So you can't fault them forthat.
But I bought mine in kit formand the only thing I didn't do
as the kit is I paid a five buckfee to have them solder on that

(01:13:45):
SA818 chip because it's severalcontacts it's very tedious.
I'm Arthrod I'm arthritic and Ididn't want to chance it.
So I'm like they're gonna dothat one thing.
I did all the rest I didn'tregret it.
I wished I would have used theright size drill bit for the uh
for the antenna port you knowbut I didn't but you learned

(01:14:07):
that lesson so okay coolwhatever size bit they tell you
you use use that size a bitdon't improvise all right their
their newest version of that isthe Shari Pi hat Neo Pi5.
It works with the Pi5 and it'sthe same kind of a Neo case
that's uh aluminum and uh I'veheard a lot of good things about
it.
I haven't set one of them up yetso they've got several choices

(01:14:30):
and several models and I wouldstand behind all their stuff
because they support every bitof it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:36):
All right well let's uh I'm just gonna bring this up
there Freddy's uh going throughsome of the details here so this
is kids for hams uh obviouslyyou know those on the podcast
check out the live stream forsure or the the the video
recorded on our YouTube channelum this is uh the latest one so
this one basically is prettymuch actually it's pretty
smaller footprint than the fourcorrect yes interesting it's

(01:14:59):
it's really close but prettymuch all right and so these are
pretty much you know hardwarewise either pre-built or ready
to turn into uh you know uh uhbasically a turnkey unit and
then at that point you're incharge of getting software
configured and and all thatcorrect exactly that's exactly
right and there are some placesI I want to say at one time they

(01:15:22):
may have offered setup asoftware setup and I think that
was more closer to the theHamboip days but I'm not sure if
that's still an option.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:31):
See we got the right guy here because apparently his
videos are that popular and thenTim came along Great Man Poda
and created the the ASL3 onSharipie video which was
amazing.
It's always good to have morethan one person explain it to
you because I may not explain itthe way uh Eric would understand

(01:15:52):
or Paul would understand andsomebody else comes along and
explains it a different way andyou get it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:57):
It's just well and that's the same reason why like
after Paul learning watchingyour all-star video going
through six times installs andthen realized it wasn't the
all-star install it was hisstupid Starlink that was causing
him the headache oh man it'lldrive right yeah it's those
little caveats it's like youdon't you as you're doing the
install you don't think like ohI should tell people that your

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internet connection could be theproblem.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:20):
Exactly the ironic part was it just it took me a
while to figure that out too Iwas in the same boat because I
switched from Ham voip to ASL3.
Ham voip always worked in thecar and then I go to ASL3 I'm
like crap I can only connect tothe parent node what is up and
it took a while of me gettingout of my own way to finally
just ask for help and totallygot it.

(01:16:40):
Just like okay now now thatyou've explained it to me that
makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 (01:16:44):
Well how many whiskies was it for you Paul?

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:46):
I can't remember too many and and and the funny thing
is right is um you know so I I Itried to do it on my own and and
so I I was using chat gbt andgrok to to try and help help me
along um and and according tochat gbt and grok well you you

(01:17:11):
can just reconfigure the pie toto do all star link with the mmd
vm board but you you can'tactually uh you know because
every time I I went through allof the steps that that was given
by AI I I wasn't gettinganywhere and and then I I sent I

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sent you a message Freddie and Iwas like hey I've been beating
my head against the wall for twoweeks on this like what am I
doing wrong?
And then you were like nah manit's it's just the two
incompatible things like um andand I appreciated that you you
sent me uh a link to I think itwas the hotspot radio uh USB

(01:17:56):
board yep uh the sherry um andit was a hundred bucks which in
the grand scheme of things rightI mean it's not terrible but I
was able to find one on Amazonthat was comparable for about
half the cost and thanks forbeing there because I sent you
that link and I said hey I justwant to make sure before I buy

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this like is it gonna work?
And so far I mean it's workingfantastically.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:24):
Yeah and that's all that matters at the end of the
day.

SPEAKER_04 (01:18:28):
Pretty much okay so yeah so you've got the pie
you've got the software turnkeyso where like where does someone
go next and and kind of what'sthat flow kind of look like for
them if they're you knowembarking you know they've got
the the hardware component pieceestablished and they're ready to
go to the software side.
So where where are you leadingthem?

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:49):
Well the ham radio crusader youtube channel is a
good place to start I agree 100%I think I think the real
question is is once you get theall mon three working when do
you decide to to start playingwith Supermon I uh you know for

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me right away don't get me wrongum when I started with Ham Voip
it came with a version ofSupermon for the dashboard we
called it Supermon one becauseDoug Crompton uh WB oh gee whiz
I'm gonna get it wrong I don'twant to I don't want to get his
call sign wrong but he's hewrote the Supermon 2 interface

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for Hamvoip because I was alwaysused to that used to that
particular uh dashboard becauseit gives you functionality I'm
sorry is it Paul the guy's nameuh Dave uh okay Dave no I'm
sorry Doug Crompton W B three hbig up for you real quick but
yeah I hate he's got the Phillyhub he's like he was one of the

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early rock stars of All Starlinkbut they he's in the handvoip
camp and he wrote Supermon 2 andSupermon and Supermon 2 gave you
all this functionality you couldreboot you can reconfigure your
node customize it you cancustomize your interface and you
know all these functions and allMon3 is pretty it's not vanilla

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necessarily it just doesn't haveall those features that I
enjoyed over the over the years.
So it's pretty plain it it itkind of is and don't get me
wrong if you're a first timeuser plain is not a problem it
just makes it harder for you tomess things up which you know I
learned by messing all the stuffup and I just wanted people to

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learn from my mistakes I'll puta link in the private chat there
that's to my GitHub page it'sgithub.com slash kd5fmu and I
have with the help of severalothers uh jory w5gle is one of
them down in uh southern Texasuh and ChatGPT because yeah I I

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can I confer a lot with chat gptyou've got to watch him because
uh he hallucinates from time totime and just kind of makes up
stuff as he goes along I I don'tknow what's up with that but
that is true if you're a firsttime user getting your node set
up for the first time I've got ascript file in there called the
ASL3 multi-app install and youcan pick and choose of uh let's

(01:21:21):
see four or five different appsto add on to your node and you
can do one at a time you can doall at a time or you can just uh
get a few there's the all scaninterface it's a dashboard as
well and David Gleason over atall scan also makes some amazing
all star link nodes that I'm sosorry now that I left out of the
mix.
Allscan.info is a website youwant to check out for that but

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you can with this uh script fileyou can install the all scan
super the all scan dashboard thesupermon 7.4 dashboard skywarn
plus that I talked about earlierit's your national weather
service alerts over your node uhyou can also get the DV switch
server uh installed alongside ofyour ASL3 install so that you

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can bridge in TGIF DMR you canyou used to could do
brandmeister but they reallythey're really they fight you a
lot on it now or you can bridgein your YSF reflector and uh I
haven't tried D star on it yetbut they say it's they say it
can be done.

SPEAKER_04 (01:22:24):
So no I think the guy you were looking for is
Whiskey Alpha 3 DSP.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:27):
Yeah WA3 DSP and that's that call sign sings
every time I say it and rememberit correctly that's Doug
Crompton and he's this like thesmartest man alive when it came
to hamvoip because he did a lotof and he still does he's on
their on the group's IO uh pagefor hamvoip and for Supermon 2
all the time helping people outI mean it's what he does and

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he's been a ham forever.
So in your mind which is betterto run Almon or Supermon uh
Almon's catching up uh but I'mstill a Supermon 7.4 guy because
I like to customize well and aslong as you get the right uh

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edit bits on your uh Pi you canliterally edit the files
directly from the browser whichis exactly and you can but if
you're a first time user untilyou get your feet wet and get
very comfortable and confidentinside of your All-Starlink node
start with all one three forthat dashboard because there's a
lot of sport when you log intoyour your All-Star Link node

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through the browser you get alanding page and one of those
selections on that page is theentire manual for All-Starlink
3.
There's not a lot of readers inthis world because I still get a
lot of questions that can beanswered if you just read the
manual.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:46):
Why would I do that?
There is so much informationthere.
Totally I like I have to I haveto search all the time because
it's just it's just too much.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:58):
And it's really in some of the nomenclature is not
what I'm exactly used to.
So you know yeah I I confer withChatGPT but I have the the
luxury right now of being a partof the slack server for the
All-Star Link gang.
They've let me in as a guest forover a year now and I hope that
they continue to do so becauseI'm I'm just you know I'm an

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evangelist for All-Star Linkversion three and if I can make
it better for everybody elsethat's what I'm gonna do.
So it's uh it it is what it isbut there's a lot of information
I I I'm still going line by linelearning everything there is to
know about rpt.conf becausethat's the heart and soul of all
your configuration settings forthe repeater side of everything

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in the node.

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:42):
And I'm still learning but man I'll I know a
lot more now than I did when Iwhen I started this journey I'll
tell you that much I like I likethat uh I I learned when when
you're editing the configurationfiles right if if you put a
semicolon at the beginning it itit makes it so that it's null

(01:25:03):
and void but you don't have toget rid of it.
Exactly and that's up so thatway you can go back and you can
undo it and you can just removethe semicolons and you're good.

SPEAKER_03 (01:25:12):
And I'll tell you what commenting out exactly you
comment in or out a line todisable a function but I'll tell
you what you don't do and uhJason Johnston Hamradio 2.0 and
I were on a Zoom meetingtogether setting up a note of
his and we went intomanager.conf which is where you
do the login settings for theasterisk server and the very top

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of the line he inadvertently putin like a uh like a a dash or a
or period or some symbol it wasjust a missstroke of the keys
and neither one of us caught itand we made our changes in the
file saved it and accident outand the whole thing died.
I was like what the heckhappened man it took an hour for

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us to find that mistake.

SPEAKER_04 (01:25:58):
Yeah yeah you have to watch your uh you know your
syntax a lot and especially youknow make one change at a time
do not make multiple changes andthen expect all of them to work
the way they you know you put invery very literal and and make
copies of your freaking fileover you know so if you you know
have to nuke and pave you caneasily just go back in and

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restore.

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:19):
And I'll tell you what that's a beautiful thing
about ASL3 they have a built-inbackup it does basic settings
backup so you went in and you'veuh entered your node information
and you're you have afunctioning node you're just
basic setup they will back thatup for you on the cloud and you
can also do it locally.
Now if you go in and then addall the add-on programs that are

(01:26:41):
the uh add-on scripts that I'vetalked about before uh it won't
back up that much informationbecause they don't have that
much cloud space.

SPEAKER_04 (01:26:49):
Right.
But uh that that's actually theperk of the clear node too is
like literally that whole entireconfig is literally backed up
whether you want it or notbecause he I'm sure he's been
like well your your instance isnuked and your or your SD card's
nuked and I've got to restore itand so yeah you got to start all
over and some people will giveright up if they've got to start
all over again.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:09):
I'm I'm the weird guy.
I love set up a new node I don'tknow what it is.

SPEAKER_04 (01:27:15):
Yeah it for me I like uh if I play in that space
and I tweak it the right way Iwant I'll make a full image of
it and then put that off to theside and then walk away from it
for a little while and juststart to use it because yeah and
that's always a great idea.
I break stuff way too easilythat is my my my MO and and so

(01:27:35):
all right so yeah it sounds likethere's a couple of good
features obviously from ahardware perspective once you
get in so now that you'veestablished all Mon or you got
Supermon running and you've gotyour node up and running what
the hell do you do next?

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:47):
Well if you're like me and you really are weather
conscious I'm also puttingSkywarn plus on there and it
gives it functionality not onlyjust to you can define your
county in that alert system youcan also define other counties
around you you can definecounties in California or in New

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York City if you wanted to andonce those alerts are issued you
will get the alert but it canalso set it to change your
courtesy tone while that alertis active it'll announce once
the uh the alert is active itwill do a tell message behind
every transmission not everytransmission periodic
transmissions after the alerthas been issued and then once it

(01:28:32):
clears it'll break in and saythe National Weather Service has
cleared all alerts for your areaand that's it's I love that I
totally love that.
And there's a lot offunctionality you can do with
that because we also had oursset up for a little while we
tested it out when a tornadowarning for our area is issued
certain repeaters wouldautomatically from that program

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would link up so that we had awide area net going weather net
and when that tornado warning orwatch or whatever the case may
be gets cleared disconnects themall.
And you can adjust that and andthere's many many many different
ways you can do it it has a lotof functionality and Nelson

(01:29:17):
Mason Nelson developed that anduh he's always tweaking it
trying to make it better.

SPEAKER_04 (01:29:22):
So then I got a question around that because I
know within the clear nodethere's the Skyworn option and
then the what the heck is thedifference between that and the
plus option.

SPEAKER_03 (01:29:30):
I'm betting I see now HamvoIP came built in with
what they call auto Skywarnwhich had the basic
functionality of Skywarn PlusSkyward took that feature and
built upon it and added crapload of features to it.
So if you're you're running ASL3on your clear node and there's a

(01:29:51):
Skywarn function I guarantee youit's installing Skywarn Plus
yeah that's all I I see.

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:56):
Yeah on mine he has an amazing

SPEAKER_03 (01:30:00):
GitHub page for the to support Skywarn Plus as well.
Mason does.

SPEAKER_04 (01:30:05):
It's an interesting feature to have on.
I obviously the one is I f thethe the problem when you tinker
is that you put this stuff onand you're like, well, nothing's
happening.
And you're like, okay, and thenyou forget about it, and then
all of a sudden you find it'slike, you know, causing you a
headache because all of a suddenit triggers it.
So I've gone back and and toreit out or turned it off or

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disabled it, but now I'm like uhgoing back in again and
reenabling it.
I'm just like, oh, okay, well,how like is there ways to test
it, obviously, or no?

SPEAKER_03 (01:30:36):
Or in the uh there's a file in there called
config.yaml.
I call it YAML.
I think it stands for yetanother multi-layer file.
Uh you can go down to the bottomof it.
There's a dev section where youcan set uh false to true for the
alert system, and it will issuethree alerts by default tornado,

(01:30:57):
thunderstorm, and flood warning,I think.
Okay, and you want to be carefulwhen you do that.
I changed mine to volcanowarning because nobody in
Oklahoma is gonna believe thatshit.

SPEAKER_04 (01:31:08):
I don't know, but this day and age it's very
positive, President.
Come on.

SPEAKER_03 (01:31:15):
A buddy of mine changed his to tsunami warning
in Oklahoma.
He's so nobody's gonna believethat.
So uh I do that on purposebecause when you know they're
not gonna believe it, so I cantest what it does.
And if you have Supermon 7.4installed, uh, it will add a
little red lettering to yournode.
Tornado Watch, Oatmongie Countyor Tulsa County or whatever

(01:31:37):
county it is you have designatedin your setup.
Which, if you're looking at yourSupermon page, that's a nice
little thing to know because youmay come in and not be listening
to the radio and log into yourSupermon and say, Hey, crap,
there's a tornado work, tornadowarning you know, been issued or
what have you.

SPEAKER_04 (01:31:54):
So what um I just as I'm kind of dabbing through here
real quick, um, like all what'sall the big telemetry stuff?
Like I noticed that like one ofthose things when I started in
the whole process, they werelike, Oh, just don't touch it,
go with the defaults, like whyand where like or
recommendations that you'd throwat it, you know, that you'd want
to change it.
Because I I noticed that likethe silly things like say your

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IP address at boot, that gotreally freaking annoying fast.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:17):
And it will.
For me, I leave it turned onbecause I'm a develop I'm not a
developer, but I'm alwaysdiagnosing nodes, so that little
tidbit helps me.
But if if you're not the guythat's working on it all the
time, yeah, it's annoying.

unknown (01:32:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:30):
But how many times have you connected to a hub or a
net or a bunch of people andyou're hearing all those other
nodes connect and disconnect?

SPEAKER_04 (01:32:40):
Um not often, but yeah, I do hear every once in a
while.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:43):
Yeah, and then when I'm connected up to the PSRG or
the uh Delaware Valley OLanknet, uh if I have telem default
equals one or equals two in therpt.com file, I'll hear all
those other nodes connecting anddisconnecting and it gets old.
Yeah.
So but with that said, if I'musing my node in a mobile

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environment, yeah, I want tohear that because I want to be
conscious if I'm still connectedto the internet or not.

SPEAKER_04 (01:33:15):
Okay.
Yeah.
Now I save that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:17):
No, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 (01:33:18):
I was gonna say that would be a nice feature because
I know obviously with my node,the only way I kind of know is
in the telemetry informationwhen I actually hear uh like a
it sounds like a kerchunk orsomething to that effect.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:28):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (01:33:29):
That's establishing it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:30):
Yeah, that the other side of that coin for telem
default is you're still gettingyour courtesy tones.
So there's there's also asetting in the gee whiz.
I'm gonna draw a blank now, butthere is a setting in your node
setup where you can do like it'sa half duplex hotspot, you can
do it with no telemetry, andthat will turn or I'm sorry, is

(01:33:50):
say no courtesy tones.
So it's you can turn your coderscourtesy tones off if you wish
to.

SPEAKER_05 (01:33:55):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:56):
But uh that courtesy tone, especially in a mobile
setting, is a big help because Iknow if I'm still connected.
But with that segue, I have anew script that I'm testing out
right now, but it's live on theGitHub page.
It's called Check ConnectionScript File.
And uh Jory helped me out withthat as well, W5GLE and uh some

(01:34:21):
little help from the guys fromAll Starlink.
But what this does, I put it onmy mobile node, and once set up
correctly, and which it's verylittle set up, but when you're
going down the road, every threeminutes it's go reaching out and
said, Am I still on theinternet?
And if it is, it's like, okay,I'll I'll keep quiet.
But if it reaches out and itcan't touch the internet, then
it plays an audio file over yourradio, internet connection lost.

SPEAKER_04 (01:34:45):
Once that goes live, let me know.
I'll I'll add for sure becausethat's one of the things I'm
always concerned about.
Like, especially obviously, Isaid my 50 amp hour battery
finally just like decided to goand you know take a break.
And so my all-star node takes ahit.
And we all know SD cards do notlove to be powered off
immediately.
Sure no.
And I have fried one or two, andso like I'm only buying time at

(01:35:07):
this point to get my all-starnode alive in the truck uh until
I get that solar stuff uhconfigured to keep it you know
basically charged all the time.

SPEAKER_03 (01:35:17):
And also with that same problem, I've converted not
all, but a lot of my nodes to aPi 5 and added an NVMe hat to
them, and I'm booting off of anNVMe drive.
So instead of like 32 gigs, I'mat 256 gigs now, faster

(01:35:37):
read-write speeds, and if itloses power, they're more
reliable in those situations.
So you're not even booting fromuh an SD card, a micro SD card
anymore.
You can pay a little extrabucks, and I think it's like 13
bucks for the hat board andwhatever the uh the NVMe drive
costs you.
But uh dad gum.
I actually I've got one in mytruck and also made a file

(01:35:59):
server out of it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:36:00):
So it just like what you're servering out of, uh you
know, it's like mainly all-starscript files, but yeah.
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:36:11):
I'm just you know, super nerd.
But uh it just makes it makesyour all-star link node that
much more reliable.
Uh, my mobile nodes an NVMe, myhouse node is an NVMe, and I'm
got another one at the house.
I've got one of those all-scanuh all-star link nodes.
I wished I'd have mentioned themat the beginning.

(01:36:33):
I hate it when I leave them outbecause they make an excellent
product.
And he makes his own sound fobin a metal uh enclosure, but he
attaches it to a Redivus RT85walkie-talkie.
And you plug uh David Gleasonover at all scan.info, and that

(01:36:53):
walkie-talkie and everything ispowered from a Raspberry Pi
power supply.
If you get one of those fivevolts, four amp power supplies
that Raspberry Pi sells.
Oh, is that that URI RT85 one?
Yes.
Yeah, let me uh and the sound.
Oh my gosh, it's just amazing.
And the beautiful thing aboutall that is is on that walkie,

(01:37:15):
you you could program yourfrequency for your node on the
fly.
Oh wow.

SPEAKER_04 (01:37:20):
So that's this one right here.

SPEAKER_03 (01:37:22):
Yep, and the one below it, I think, is the one
Great Man Poda has because itruns off at 12 volts.
Oh instead of the instead offive.
He's got one in his Bronco, hismobile for his mobile radio, and
we set it up on that IAXregistration and it just rocks
and rolls.
Wow.

(01:37:42):
Yep, and I'm actually building arepeater for a friend out of one
of his standalone sound fobs.
And he also makes a radio listnode that he has sent me that
I'm I've got to build as a kit.
It's up and coming.
And the dude loves All-Star Linkjust as much as I do.

SPEAKER_04 (01:38:00):
And so actually, you good segue there.
I mean, real quick.
I mean, obviously, one of thethings that we've got some
interest here over in the LiveFree and Ham community is like,
yeah, having that thatcapability of you know, a
headless node, that's prettymuch what Jason built for his
HR2 node, correct?

SPEAKER_03 (01:38:14):
That's exactly right.
He took a he uses a cloudservice.
Uh I think it's DigitalOcean.
I can't remember.

SPEAKER_04 (01:38:22):
No, it's uh yeah, I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_03 (01:38:24):
Um I use Linode uh from um they've just recently
merged with another company.
But I pay five bucks a buck,five bucks a month for mine
because if it gets more usage,then you know you have to pay
for more processors.

SPEAKER_04 (01:38:39):
Yeah, Dreamhost is what uh Dreamhost.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:38:42):
Jason uses, yes, because he gets a lot of traffic
through his.
And you're running Linode.

unknown (01:38:46):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:38:47):
And it really came in handy for me for my cloud
hub.
It's a radioless hub, and youcan totally set it up that way,
and it's a lot quicker.

SPEAKER_04 (01:38:54):
Now, is it still required to run on BSD only in
certain versions of BSD or theyfix that?

SPEAKER_03 (01:38:59):
BSD.
What's that acronym?
Linux.
Yeah, yeah.
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (01:39:03):
It's uh All Starlink is it's what Debian's built off
of, right?

SPEAKER_03 (01:39:07):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Uh All-Starlink 3 is built onDebian and it'll run on 10, 11,
12, and they're almostcompletely done with the new
Trixie version for Deb 13.

unknown (01:39:18):
Oh.

SPEAKER_03 (01:39:18):
Yeah.
They're they were like totallyon top of it the day of the
release.
So, but yeah, it I use a 12-inchimage for my cloud hub.
And when I was when I we movedto this new spot and I had to
use T-Mobile Home Internet and Ididn't want to do the IAX
registration, uh it stillwouldn't help me inbound because
of the CG net.
I would just hook up to my nub.

(01:39:39):
My nub.
I'd hook up to my hub.
Everybody else could connect tothat and we could still
communicate.
It's no big deal.

SPEAKER_04 (01:39:48):
So cool.
Any guys gonna want to throw inthere?
I've got a bunch more stuff uh Iwanted to throw at Freddie, but
uh didn't know if uh wouldn'tsteal the show.

SPEAKER_00 (01:40:00):
I guess that's keep asking your questions.
Yeah, keep asking.
I'm I'm uh I'm like a hands-onkind of learner, so I'm gonna be
playing around with it.
Like I said, I'll probably be inmy Jeep more than I'll be at
work tomorrow.
All Starlink is a journey, it'sits own universe for real.
It's I mean, I think it's gonnabe really cool, you know,

(01:40:21):
especially that you can uh youknow, and I I'm thinking, you
know, I'm really once I get tounderstand it more and use it,
I'm gonna really be pushing toput it on our club repeater.
Oh yeah.
Because because we have a lot ofmembers now that are on another
repeater that can't exactly thatcan't get um can't get they're
in our club, they can't reachour repeater, so they're using

(01:40:44):
this other repeater, but they'dlove to get into our repeater
because we do a nightly net.
So it would be nice for them whocan't reach the club repeater to
be able to get onto the net, youknow, through All Star.
And I think that's gonna be theway to convince the club that
this is a necessity and not justuh a perk.

(01:41:06):
Like sure.

SPEAKER_03 (01:41:07):
And there's a phone app out there as well for Apple
devices that it's not availableon the uh Android world yet.
Repeater phone.
Uh it's called Repeater Phone,yes.

SPEAKER_04 (01:41:18):
It's like I know I introduced that it's eight bucks
now, it was cheaper before.
I don't know what why theydecided that they needed to
charge more for it, but becausethey've seen an opportunity, I
guarantee you.

SPEAKER_03 (01:41:27):
Literally, hey, a lot of people are buying this,
we should raise the price.

SPEAKER_04 (01:41:30):
It's funny.
I did uh we did a review on theapp and it was like free, and
then all of a sudden it went totwo bucks, and then it was five
bucks, and it was like, what arethey doing?
They're not improving the it'sthe old technology.

SPEAKER_03 (01:41:41):
Just open the price, man.
Yeah, but you get the best ofboth worlds, you get all-star
link nodes and echo link nodes.
But the echo link app is free,so go figure.
But you got a pretty interface,you really do, and the audio
that comes from your phone overAll-Star Link is even better.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:41:59):
Yeah, it's just so with that with that repeater
phone, you can actually just getinto nodes via your world on
your phone.

SPEAKER_03 (01:42:09):
On your phone, and all if you have their call sign,
you can search them up by callsign, you can search them up by
node number.
Uh, I don't know if it'sgeographic yet or not, but I
always know I'm like, golly,what is uh what's his name's
node number?
And I type in his call sign andboom, there it is.
And if it won't, if it's notactive, I think it's either

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grayed out or doesn't come up atall.

SPEAKER_05 (01:42:31):
Yeah, it's right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:42:33):
Totally off.
I mean, look at eight bucks thisday, that's like a specialized
coffee.
Like I like I went to Dunkin'Donuts and then my brother's
like, I'm like, oh, you want toget a coffee?
He's like, Yeah, and he orderssome.
He's from California.
He orders some like caramellatte machata.
I'm like, what?
That thing was like six bucks.
I'm like, yeah, I just getblack.

SPEAKER_03 (01:42:53):
Yeah, it's a little sugar in mine.
That's I'm good.
All good though.

SPEAKER_00 (01:42:58):
Uh yeah, no, but it that'll I mean that's a I mean,
eight bucks is maybe I'll get itand play around with it.
We'll play around with the nodefirst and then I'll end up
buying it.
And we watch, it'll go up to 10,15 bucks.

SPEAKER_01 (01:43:08):
Then it'll be like here is a check with my name on
it.
Write down any number on thispiece of paper and I will pay
it.
That is Todd's mantra.
That is literally Todd's mantra.

SPEAKER_03 (01:43:19):
Oh, well, I'm sad to say I've been in that situation
if you don't.

SPEAKER_04 (01:43:22):
We all do.
It's sadly a reality.

SPEAKER_00 (01:43:25):
I gotta go now work two nights.
Uh I do some overtime.
Like, well, now it's two nightsa week.
I gotta buy a couple apps.
I need another node.

SPEAKER_04 (01:43:36):
So, what would you recommend to someone?
Obviously, you know, so talkingjust kind of like I mean, we're
talking about nodes and we'retalking about hardware and stuff
like that, but there's obviouslythat whole connectivity concern
of like connecting to nodes andwho do you connect to and and
what do you connect to, and andsome of those caveats, any kind
of recommendations you'd youknow, kind of get somebody

(01:43:56):
involved.
So they got the device, they'vedone all the hard labor of
getting things built and getconnected, and they're like,
okay, the perverbill, now what?

SPEAKER_03 (01:44:04):
Well, after you've got your node all set up and
everything, the one thing that Ido recommend is the Parrot node
down in Texas, uh, 55553 istheir node number.
And once you're connected, giveit a few seconds and then just
say, you know, KD5 FMU testingone, two, three.
And a voice will come back toyou and say, your audio is too

(01:44:25):
high or too low, or just right,and then it will replay your
audio back to you so you canhear it, right?
And once you've done that,here's the most important part
disconnect from that node beforeyou connect to anyone else.

SPEAKER_04 (01:44:40):
No, you're not going to recommend them to connect to
uh, you know, uh what was it,East Coast Reflector or
something like that?

SPEAKER_03 (01:44:45):
Yeah, well, you want to make some you want to get
some emails, you connect to theEast Coast Reflector while
you're connected to the ParentNode.
I know they will find you.
These guys are worse thanTeamsters.

SPEAKER_05 (01:44:55):
They will find IRS.
They will find you fast.

SPEAKER_03 (01:44:59):
I tell you, though, I I seen one time uh somebody
had connected to the parent nodeand then connected to the UK
Hubnet and then connected toJason's node in Texas.
It was mass hysteria.

SPEAKER_04 (01:45:11):
So maybe kind of explain that because I think
that's something most peopledon't get when they they kind of
start compiling this.
You know, hey, just keep addingand connecting.

SPEAKER_03 (01:45:19):
Yeah, and nowadays they've got a feature in place,
from what I understand.
I don't know if it's permanentor not.
If you get connected to 200nodes or more, they're gonna put
your node in receive only mode.
And what they're trying to do isAll Star Link in its core basis
and setup will try its very bestto avoid lootbacks.

(01:45:40):
So it's like I'm gonna connectto my buddy James and and
Shawnee, but he's alreadyconnected to uh the node up in
Tulsa, and I'm connected to thenode in Tulsa.
So when he tries to connect,it's gonna reject him, most
generally, because they'retrying to avoid lootbacks
totally.
And it's kind of set up to dothat way, but sometimes if my

(01:46:02):
home node is bridged, and it is,I'll bridge to TGIF, uh the TGIF
DMR talk group 756.
That's my talk group.
And if my if that private nodein my All Star Link setup is
connected to my public node, ifyou talk on DMR, you're talking
on my node.
But if that node is alsoconnected to the Hubnet,

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everybody's hearing what yousay.
So there's there's somepossibilities of loopbacks
there, but the software does areally good job of trying to
prevent it.
But you just want to make surebefore you connect to somebody
else, and you if you want toconnect to an individual's node,
you want to be careful.
It'd be nice to know ahead oftime if they're okay with that.

(01:46:46):
I'm okay with that.
I'm I'm I'm standing around myhouse one day, you know, right
after I retired, especially andstarted the channel, some guy
from the uh from Canadaconnected right up and we had a
nice discussion.
He just like, hey, thanks forASL3 videos, all this other.
And I connected to anothergentleman uh out of Australia,
and he was retired publicservant as well, and we had an

(01:47:08):
awesome discussion.
I tell everybody if I'm near theradio when you call in and I can
talk to you, I'm gonna answeryou and we're gonna talk.
But there's folks out therethat's like they have an
all-star link node and it'sonline that they not may not
appreciate an incomingconnection.
So it's always, you know, youkind of feel it out as it goes.

(01:47:28):
But if it's like Jason's hub,43136, it's you know, if you if
you want if you like amateurradio, connect up to it.
Um PSRG Net, I think it's 2462is their node number early on.
They've got a small number.
They they're totally okay withit because they they want to run
if that net's gonna run threehours, they'll run it for three

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hours.

SPEAKER_04 (01:47:50):
Here's a question for you.
Like I I I have not been able toget a clear uh you know answer
to this one.
Maybe it's because I'm lookingthe wrong places, but what's the
difference between actuallyconnecting to a node or
monitoring?
Like monitoring and and if Ichoose to monitor one node and
then connect to say Jason's nodeand make that a you know an
outbound tranceive kind ofconnection, right?

(01:48:13):
Does that monitor node that Ihave also hooked up to transmit
audio through into Jason's nodetoo?
Or what how's that kind of work?

SPEAKER_03 (01:48:20):
It should not.
So if you connect to, let's say,some node in Florida and they're
about to have a hurricane orsomething like that, and they've
got a hurricane net going, andyou connect to it in monitor
only, you can't even PTT up overtheir node.
You're just hearing it.
And the rule of thumb is if youconnect to someone else, when
they key up, it should be justyou that's hearing it.

(01:48:42):
But I can't give you an 100%answer, but now I'm gonna go and
test that theory.

SPEAKER_04 (01:48:51):
We had a uh All-Star node that was in listen only on
our repeater, so they were justbasically broadcasting or just
monitoring the repeater inputoff of a Sherry connection that
he had set up.
And I had it as a monitor-onlyconnection, and then I connected
to HR2's node, and they werehearing some of that traffic
through.
And I was like, that shouldn'tbe that way.

SPEAKER_03 (01:49:11):
Monitor me is like listen only, don't like send
anything inside of my well, whatwhat monitor does is prevent you
from transmitting and your audiotraveling over the network over
their node.
You're just monitoring theirnode, so whatever they put out
comes over the network to youand you can hear it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:49:29):
So I would have to be a monitor on Jason's too.

SPEAKER_03 (01:49:31):
Then that's correct.
That's exactly correct.
So anything that you'reconnected to and you receive
would convey it as well ifyou're connected to them.
So yeah, uh, that makes sense.
That actually does make sense.
It kind of defeats the purpose alittle bit, but you've just got
to be diligent about what you'reconnecting to.

SPEAKER_05 (01:49:49):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:49:49):
So basically, the best way to do it is connect to
what node you want to be on.
So like Jason's node.

SPEAKER_04 (01:49:58):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:49:58):
And then if I want to go on to your node, I
disconnect from his node and goon to your node.

SPEAKER_03 (01:50:05):
Right.
If if for good what they callgood practice, good practices or
good practice rules or what haveyou.
But like Jason has severalnodes, but they're not always
active.
But that 43136 is a designatedhub because it's radioless, it's
on the web.

SPEAKER_00 (01:50:20):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (01:50:21):
So it's he's you don't have an issue with you
connecting to it.
But don't connect to the Hubnetor uh East Coast Reflector and
then connect to him because theneverybody's talking and yeah, it
turns into a so if you're on theEast Coast Reflector and I'm
connected to Jason, he's gonnahear that everyone on his is
gonna also hear the East Coastand vice versa.

(01:50:41):
It's one big network then, allfull duplex.
It's all back and forth.
So yeah.
And that's that's a greatquestion.

SPEAKER_00 (01:50:48):
So on on the um on my app, it says disconnect node.

SPEAKER_03 (01:50:56):
Um so when you connect, it's called disconnect
before or something?

SPEAKER_00 (01:51:00):
Yeah, so it says uh it says disconnect uh before
connect.

SPEAKER_04 (01:51:05):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:51:06):
Yeah, so it's like one of the what does it say?
Yeah, it just says disconnect atyou know disconnect is one of
the options like before I go toanother node.
Right.
So does that do that thenautomatically?

SPEAKER_03 (01:51:20):
Yes, so if you've got that enabled, it's probably
a default setting.
No, it wasn't.
Oh, it wasn't.
The all scan.info dashboard is ait's a default setting for the
for the all-scan dashboard.
It's the only one I've seen thatway, but it's a good default
setting.
So if you connect to Jason,let's say, yeah, and it's
connected for hours, and youforget that you're connected to
him, and you thought, hey, Ineed to connect down to

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Louisiana to these other folks Iknow.
When you go to connect to them,it will disconnect Jason and
just connect you to them.
It's a good little safeguard.

SPEAKER_00 (01:51:49):
Right if you're not conscious of it.
So if you're on that, then thatwould automatically, if you
connect to another one, shoulddisconnect.

SPEAKER_03 (01:51:57):
Correct.
Anything that you're connectedto will get disconnected, and
then your next connection willbe the priority.
All right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:52:04):
Well, that's good to know because that's a very good
question.
Like I said, someone like mewho's never used it, I I start
connecting to everyone.
And then we're gonna go.
Who is this WSTJ guy?
Like, Jesus Christ, he'sconnected to the world.
Yeah, my computer won't shut up,my radio won't shut up, everyone
will be like a huge pile up.

SPEAKER_04 (01:52:27):
My first experience with All-Star was I was
connecting to one of our clubpresidents at the time, his
All-Star node, he was connectedto the East Coast Reflector, and
I didn't know he was connectedto the East Coast Reflector, and
then I was connecting to theEast Coast Reflector.
And you'd think I literallymurdered somebody.
The East Coast Reflectors guyshad emails in, they were texting
me, they were sending me becauseI had signed up for all their

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newsletters.
I mean, they were all over me.
Like, just connect.
We've kicked your note off.
Do not reconnect.
And then they send me their likenine-mile list of policy and
white on rice.
All right, dude.
Sorry, I'm all good.
Never do that again.

SPEAKER_03 (01:53:04):
Yeah, they are very, very, very diligent.
Now, with all that said, I'veconnected to their to the East
Coast reflector some mornings onthe on the way into work and
listen to some of their morningnets.
And they're great.
They're a great bunch of guys.
I totally get why they'rediligent about some things.
Okay, but wow, they're verydiligent.

SPEAKER_04 (01:53:23):
Well, and and they know their nets are like, you
think like you could hide andjust listen?
No, they know you're connected.
They like, you know, 431, blahblah blah blah.
You know, you should be uh yousaid you wanted to chime into
the net.
You know, go ahead and uh, youknow, are you in out?
You know, it's like well, I'mjust here listening.
Don't bother me.

SPEAKER_03 (01:53:38):
Can't hide with the all-star.
Especially if you key up andyou're looking at their the
right All-Mon or Supermon page,the last keyed up node goes to
the top of the list.

SPEAKER_04 (01:53:50):
I know that's the awesome part, is like you cannot
hide an all-star.
You no more kachunking, myfriend.
Kachunking is a thing of thepast.
They are watching.
Big brother knows.
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (01:53:59):
And you know, uh, it was a funny thing.
I think it was last year, uhJason and Jason's hub and mine,
my hub were connected.
We were at, I think we were atDayton, and I'm listening on
mine, he's listening on his, andsomething keeps keying up.
It's just really quick, reallyquick.
And but it was always followedwith just a little burst of
static.
And we looked on his and mine,Supermon pages, like the same

(01:54:22):
station, skiing it up, and uh wehad to get someone else in
contact with that particular guybecause he had an issue with his
node and he didn't know it.
Wow, and I had this happen on myhome node once.
I didn't have a receive PL set,so I was getting uh some
interference from a nearbystation, and that little bit was
breaking squelched just enoughto key up my node.

SPEAKER_05 (01:54:45):
Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_03 (01:54:46):
They're like, hey, what's up with your node?
You just keep keying up andreleasing.
I'm like, I I don't know.
And then I looked and I I had toprogram in that receive PL and
it knocked it, just totallyknocked it out.
So little things like that cancreate some havoc.
You just got to be conscious of.

SPEAKER_04 (01:54:58):
Well, and that's actually a good suggestion
because I know people are like,Oh, why don't you just use
simplex?
It's like because that's exactlythe reason why you probably
don't want to.

SPEAKER_03 (01:55:07):
Interference, it's not like you're trying to keep
anybody out, it's just you'retrying to keep the crap out.
The interference, because youdrive under a power line or
whatever, and you can get somekind of uh front-end overload
from whatever, and it'll key upyour node.
And heaven forbid it stay keyedup.
Stranger things have happened.

SPEAKER_04 (01:55:24):
It has.
I mean, and it it it's it's afun technology for sure.
I mean, like I I am learningmore, and I appreciate you
coming on for sure, and justlike sharing some of your
wisdom.
And I gotta go back now that youknow the the urgency or the
interest, I should say, inbuilding a headless node is uh
on the radar now.
Uh, I'm gonna have to go backand watch, I'm gonna have to

(01:55:45):
fast forward through obviouslythe the the fumbling parts of
you know your video that you didwith uh HR2O and stuff like
that, and and just get thehighlights.

SPEAKER_03 (01:55:53):
We like the never got his cloud node straightened
up.
It took like three or four livestreams.

SPEAKER_04 (01:55:57):
I I slogged through both those videos and watched
them live stream, and I'm like,dude, I don't ever want to put
all-stars on a.

SPEAKER_03 (01:56:04):
It was funny because I convert my my hub to ASL3,
boom, no big deal.
Well, his particular service hada specialized kernel in their
Web12 surf software or operatingsystem, and it wouldn't allow
it.
But once we got uh Jason N8EIinvolved, he's from
All-Starlink, too, no big deal.

SPEAKER_04 (01:56:25):
I think he also didn't he also bring in uh
what's his name from M17 too.
I think it was one of the samething they were kind of going
through.

SPEAKER_03 (01:56:30):
I want to say that's that's true.

SPEAKER_04 (01:56:32):
Was that him?
Was it yeah?

SPEAKER_03 (01:56:33):
Well, Jason is N8EI is from All-Starlink.
He's but uh the other gentlemanI want to say was from M17.
I can't remember now.

SPEAKER_04 (01:56:41):
I think it was Jason, he's up here in New
Hampshire, so yeah, we uh I'vebumped into him a couple times,
but yeah, yeah, that's my onlydrawback right now.
Not that I can't do it, I'm justlike I don't want to spend eight
to twelve hours building aserver out like a recreational
use and then have to maintainit.
But you know, I it sounds likeit's definitely been improved
upon.

(01:57:01):
So I I'll I should be able toget through it without too much
effort.

SPEAKER_03 (01:57:04):
Yeah, and the beautiful thing about
All-Starlink 3 is if, and samewith Hamvoi, uh, you can build
your own private network, seriesof nodes that are all private.
They don't need all Starlink'sregistration server to function.
It's built that way.
You just can't use a nodenumber, I don't think, that's
above 2,000.

SPEAKER_04 (01:57:25):
That's a good question.
What um is there a whitelist,blacklist feature capability
built into ASL?

SPEAKER_03 (01:57:31):
So glad you asked that, Eric.
Because yes, there is, and it'sa very wonderful thing.
Uh, and you know, it's sad tosay that we have to have that
feature in All Starlink, butthere are some nefarious actors
out there in the universe thatlike to do stupid and strange
things.
There's also accidentalaccidents, I guess you would

(01:57:52):
say.
I I don't know, but there is aan allow disallow list in ASL3
where if you have thisparticular node you have had
problems with for whateverreason, it will keep them from
connecting.
But you can also set that up ina reverse where you can block
everyone and only allow these.

SPEAKER_04 (01:58:11):
Yeah.
That reason why that was so inour conversations initially when
people are like, well, well, whoeveryone's gonna connect to all
of our repeaters and stuff.
And I'm like, I'm sure there'ssome whitelisting system or a
blacklist system that's gonnadeny all and then allow you know
permit others to uh yeah,where'd you go?

SPEAKER_03 (01:58:27):
Yeah, if you want your circle to be small, then
you're gonna disallow everyoneand include.
But if you want to uh disallow asmall group of folks, it's
easier to white to do the to dothe disallow list.

SPEAKER_04 (01:58:39):
That'll make it easier when we have to fix it
for the club.

SPEAKER_03 (01:58:41):
Oh, yeah.
I mean, you know, that was mybiggest gripe with Echo Link.
I had an Echo Link node at myhome, and it was on a J Pole uh
and VHF note, home note.
I could hear it for miles andmiles.
And some non-English speakingcountry could station would
connect to it invariably for twoseconds, and you had to listen

(01:59:02):
to the connect, you had tolisten to the disconnect, and
then when they did hang around,they just spoke in a language
you didn't understand.

SPEAKER_04 (01:59:08):
So you'd be surprised that happened to our
like we had an Echo Link nodetoo as well, and like one night
that just happened for five toten hours straight.
There was this longconversation, and people were
listening on the repeater andthought it was great.
But after like the fifth hour,they're like, Can someone go
over to that person's house andpull the frickin' you know, Echo
Link node off the radio?

(01:59:28):
Because at that point, it justbasically all their curmudgeons
came out and like, we can't haveEcho Link.
Can we block them all?

SPEAKER_03 (01:59:35):
It's like, all right, just pull it out, and and
at that point, it just was like,all right, it got to be a little
much, but yeah, it was.
The the principle of the wholething was great, which I think
is what probably prefaced uh JimDixon to create All Starlink.

SPEAKER_04 (01:59:52):
Well worth it.
So, all right, you guys got anymore questions?
Because I think at this point,uh, you know, uh I I would say
let's kind of wrap.
Wrap this up and you know put alittle bow on this one and uh go
from there.
But uh you guys want to throwanything or are you guys good?

SPEAKER_00 (02:00:06):
Well, as he's talking, I'm messing around with
my app and finding all kinds ofcool things in there.
So I don't know.
Can can you come back next week?

SPEAKER_03 (02:00:15):
I'll have more questions for you.
Well, play with it a while.
I'll always glad to come back aslong as my schedule permits, not
a problem at all.

SPEAKER_00 (02:00:24):
Yeah, well, thanks for coming on.
It's uh it's been a pleasure,and uh thank you for having me.
I've watched a lot of yourYouTube stuff, and some of it I
understand, some of them Idon't, but uh, I'm sure once I
start playing with the All-Staroff to go back and uh watch them
again.
A lot of them will becomeevident as you progress, I
guarantee you.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (02:00:42):
Yeah, so for me, um I just gotta say, I mean, I I
greatly appreciate all the hardwork that you put into your
video series.
Because by the by the sixth timethat I I redid everything, I I
didn't even need the videoanymore.

SPEAKER_03 (02:01:00):
And that's the beauty of it.
You got the routine in, andyou're like, I don't know what
to do here, I know what to dohere, and you're jamming before
you know it.

SPEAKER_02 (02:01:08):
Yeah, so now I feel I feel confident that uh I can
get I can get another USB dongleto add to another pie, uh, and
and I can get it up and runninguh probably within an hour or
so, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (02:01:23):
I've I've got a personal record of around 15
minutes.

SPEAKER_04 (02:01:28):
I was gonna say, you're almost on that 30-minute
level Todd Paul.
I almost guarantee you couldprobably bang it out in 30
minutes or less.

SPEAKER_03 (02:01:35):
And it all depends on how much you add, but I can
get to a basic setup quickerthan that, as long as I know the
equipment that I'm working with,because I know what settings
they use, etc., etc.
But if you really want to getbrave and use like, hey, I've
got this old Motorola radio, orI've got this old ICOM radio, or
this old Kenwood radio layingaround, and you want to make an

(02:01:58):
all-star node out of it, that'swhen you really start looking
into sound fobs and buildingthose into a what we call a high
power or long-range all-starlink node at your home, which
majority of mine are, but it'sit takes a little more bravery,
but once you do it, it's justlike it's no big deal.

(02:02:18):
It's just no big deal.
It just depends on how muchrange you want.

SPEAKER_04 (02:02:23):
Well, I want all the range.
Exactly.
Exactly.
I want to run a kilowatt legallimit, all-star link node.
Yes.
I want my mother-in-law inFlorida to be able to key up my

(02:02:43):
node.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 (02:02:45):
And at the end of the day, the more efficient your
antenna is, the better you'regonna do.
And that's the name of the gamewith uh with analog and all-star
link.

SPEAKER_04 (02:02:54):
Very cool.
All right.
Well, I think with that, youknow, if you guys have, you
know, and I'm sure we've justdrummed up a boltload more of
questions, and and everybody'skind of like, okay, I want to
get into this, but like nowyou're just like drowning in the
sea of All-Star.
Uh, you know, you know you knowwhere you need to go.
It's simple as that.
Head over to Freddie Mac'schannel, Ham Radio Crusader.

(02:03:16):
Start like it is, I think youall got a playlist, right?
That you've already built.

SPEAKER_03 (02:03:20):
I've got to tweak it a little bit, but look for a
video.
If you've never dove in it atall, look for the video that's
called How Do I Get a NodeNumber?
or How do I get an All-Star Linknode number?
That's the first step intoAll-Star Link node because you
can't connect without a nodenumber.
It's free.
You got to set up an account.
They got to prove yourself,prove to them that you're a ham,
which is super easy to do.

(02:03:41):
Yeah, it's way easier than everlink.
Yep.
And then they'll they'll issue auh a node number, which will
generally be five digits.
I if if you plan on having morethan one node, I would
automatically expand that.
So if you're if your node numberis five seven seven eight eight,
that they're gonna expand uponthat and then make that first
node number five seven seveneight eight zero.

(02:04:02):
Then the next one, you cancreate nine more after that, all
on your own, five seven seveneight eight one eight eight two
eight eight three, and you'vegot more node numbers.
But this video will explain thatto you.
And it's just basically look onmy channel and look for how do I
get an all-star link nodenumber.

SPEAKER_04 (02:04:19):
We'll throw that in the link uh description there so
folks can grab it easy.
Yeah, we'll share it up on theDiscord and people will have uh
fast access to it.
And so uh okay, yeah.
So we'll we'll start there andyou can definitely dive into
I'll have all the links that uhFreddie mentioned in uh
tonight's show uh in thedescription there, so you can
check out all those devices.
And as always, you know, as youcan see, Freddie is a very

(02:04:41):
friendly guy.
He won't bite your head off, hewon't tell you to go read the
frickin' manual.
You know, he will actually helpyou along the way.
I mean, the Grouch is a perfectexample of that.
You know, he wants more peopleon All-Star, he wants to be able
to, you know, make it uh, youknow, a bigger, wider, huger
network and get more peopleinvolved in it.
So yeah, feel free to ask himquestions.
You know, I'm sure he will helpyou out no matter what, no

(02:05:02):
matter how simple or stupid thequestion might sound.
Yeah, um, you know, he'll he'llhappily uh you know do it with a
smile and get it to you.

SPEAKER_03 (02:05:09):
Oh, yeah, I'm totally not gonna berate you or
treat you like a 12-year-old ora sad ham or whatever.
Uh 58176 is my home node number.
Like I said, if I'm where I cantalk to you, I will talk to you.
If I don't answer, don't take itpersonal.
I don't have an answeringmachine, but you can shoot me an
email, kd5fmu at gmail.com, orhead on over to the Discord
server, you can get that linkfrom uh uh the YouTube page.

SPEAKER_04 (02:05:31):
Very cool, awesome.
All right, well, with that,yeah, it's been a blast.
And so hopefully this has beenan awesome, good start primer
for you guys because now aswe've had conversations of 24
hour POTA and we've been talkingmore on the Discord, you know,
we're gonna move that needleahead, you know, because I I we
all want to talk, we all want tobuild more bigger community, and
you know, we're scattered abouteverywhere in the Northeast and

(02:05:54):
even farther beyond.
And so All-Stars are a greatsolution for something like
that.
So keep an eye on for theirDiscord and we'll uh have more
on that.
And I'm sure Freddie will be apart of that because I know he's
on our Discord, he's popped infrom time to time.
Um, so feel free to chime in,Freddie, when we're you know
spouting uh, you know, uh falseuh falsehoods and incorrect uh
you know statements uh and andput us back on the right uh

(02:06:15):
right course there.
So cool.
All right, so as always, thanksagain for everybody hanging out
with our uh in sorry, hangingout in our Live Free and Hand
community as always.
We truly appreciate it.
All of us uh you know enjoy it.
We thank you guys for helpsupporting the channel and being
part of uh all the cool thingsthat are going on, and we can't
thank you guys enough.
Um, but you can always connectwith us, and you can do that by

(02:06:37):
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That link is in the descriptionbelow and on our website.
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And uh as always, if you want tofind out any more, check our
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We've actually we haven't mademention of this, but we're like
over like 103 episodes now.
So, you know, we're cruising.
Um, you know, we've been superpsyched to see that, you know,
everyone's been listening tothem.

(02:07:40):
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So hopefully you're enjoying thecontent.
Uh, let us know, please.
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Um, and with that, you can headover to Livefree and Ham, uh,
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contact info uh if you want toreach out to us.
And thanks again from all of usuh at Livefree and Ham and

(02:08:01):
Freddie Mac at Ham RadioCrusader.
And I gotta say 7 3.

SPEAKER_00 (02:08:06):
7 3, guys.
737.

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