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SPEAKER_03 (00:06):
Welcome to Body Mind Soul, America's leading podcast
to explore new horizons inspirituality.
We want to thank our thousandsof listeners for elevating our
show to the top 5% of allpodcasts in the United States.
Now let's join our host, Dr.
(00:26):
Jim Polikoff, as he guides us instepping beyond our boundaries
to discover new experiences andpersonal growth.
SPEAKER_00 (00:35):
This is Dr.
Jim Polikoff, and I have a veryunique guest for this episode of
Body Mind Soul.
I'll be asking Julie Ryan how aninventor of medical devices
transitioned to a psychic mediumwho can actually sense medical
conditions a person has and thenfacilitate healing.
(00:55):
Julie is one of those psychicswho has had dead people stalking
her since childhood.
Plus, Julie's an author andpodcaster.
So why don't we cut to the chaseand discover what this
exceptional woman is all about?
(01:17):
Welcome to Body Mind Soul, JulieRyan.
SPEAKER_02 (01:20):
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm delighted to be with youtoday.
SPEAKER_00 (01:24):
Well, it's absolutely my pleasure.
I mean, you've got a greatbackground.
Uh our audience uh is a littlebit coherent in terms of exactly
what you've done, particularlybeing chased around by dead
people at one point in time.
But anyway, we'll we won't gothere at this point unless you
want to.
Um but I've described yourunique background, and um my
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listeners are curious.
You've been a successfulbusiness person, a
businesswoman, and of course aninventor.
Right.
And yet you forsaked bigdollars, I'm assuming, to turn
to a less lucrative field,becoming a psychic medium.
How did that happen?
SPEAKER_02 (02:03):
Well, I didn't have dead people chasing me in
childhood.
I learned how to do all thiswoo-woo stuff.
And I tell people, Jim, I'm aI'm a businesswoman and an
inventor who learned how to dowoo-woo, and I'm a buffet of
psychicness.
So I had a girlfriend a littlemore than 30 years ago give me a
(02:24):
book called Anatomy of theSpirit by Carolyn Mace.
And she called herself a medicalintuitive.
And I thought, well, what theheck is that?
I'd never heard that termbefore.
And back then we didn't have theinternet yet.
So I did the old-fashioned thingand I went to a bookstore to see
what else was available.
I thought, my library isprobably gonna have less than a
(02:46):
bookstore.
Maybe I'll find somewhere in abookstore.
So I went and I found a bookcalled Hands of Light by Barbara
Brennan, who was a NASAphysicist, and she parlayed very
complex quantum physics conceptsinto understandable English for
the non-scientific mind.
That would be me.
(03:07):
And I wanted to know more, so Icalled her school, which the
time was in New York on LongIsland, and I said, Do you guys
have anybody teaching this stuffin my area?
And they said, Yes, we do.
And so I studied with uh theirgraduate for several years, and
she's still my mentor.
She's in her mid-80s now andstill going strong.
SPEAKER_00 (03:30):
Well, I want to make sure I didn't get the story
incorrect, but is there anytruth to uh the fact that a
deceased pope named Clement theSixth had something to do with
this?
SPEAKER_02 (03:42):
He did.
When my mother died in 2002, Ihad been been studying Woo Woo
for probably not quite 10 yearsat that point.
And I had never been aroundanybody that was dying before.
So my mother was dying, she wasin her last days, and it was
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unexpected.
And I just thought, well, I'mgonna turn on my radar.
I turn my abilities on and offat will, and then I teach people
all over the world how to do allthis too.
We all have the ability, it'sjust a matter of developing and
enhancing it.
So I started seeing all theseangels and spirits of deceased
loved ones and pets in the roomaround my mother.
And I was thinking, holy bully,what is all of this?
(04:26):
And then I watched it all unfoldas she was getting closer to
passing and then eventuallydied.
And that's what I've come tocall the 12 phases of
transition, and that's what's inmy book.
SPEAKER_00 (04:38):
Oh, well, we're gonna talk about your book also
in a few minutes, and and the 12phases of transition we're also
gonna ask you about in just abit.
But but so Pope Clamath wasreal.
He came to you.
SPEAKER_02 (04:50):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
I was with my mentor.
This is such a fun story, Jim.
I was with my mentor, Susan, andand when she's doing a healing
on me, my deceased loved onesare on both sides of the table
that I'm laying on and face up.
And one day this dead Popespirit showed up and he had on
the Pope hat and the shepherd'srod and the whole nine yards.
(05:12):
And I said, Well, who are you?
And he said, I'm Clement.
And I said, Oh, I went through12 years of Catholic school, so
I never heard of a Pope Clement.
I'm so sorry.
And he laughed and he said,Well, I was number six.
SPEAKER_00 (05:25):
Way back when.
SPEAKER_02 (05:26):
Yeah.
I said, Great, how may I helpyou?
And he said, You're supposed toteach the world what happens
when somebody dies because it'sbeen so bastardized, and people
are afraid, and you know whathappens, and so you need you
just need to get on with it.
And I laughed and I said, Ah,no, thank you.
I'm a businesswoman, people willthink I'm nuts.
(05:46):
And he's he said, Yeah, yeah,yeah.
Everything you've done in yourcareer has prepared you for
this.
So just, you know, get on withwhy you're here.
So I thanked him for stoppingby.
I said, thanks, but no thanks.
A few minutes later, when I wasleaving, I was in my car gym,
and I just for kicks, I just didan internet search on my phone
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on Clement VI.
Come to find out this guy was inoffice during the Black Plague,
and he's best known for hisprayers for the dying and his
prayers for the dead.
And I thought, Ryan, you can'tmake that up.
I never heard of the guy, andthat that's what he's known for.
So you want to hear the rest ofthe story of how this all came
to be?
SPEAKER_00 (06:27):
Well, sure.
Go ahead.
I think it's interesting.
I'm fascinated by a sixthcentury pope coming and telling
you, hey, you're in the wrongfield.
SPEAKER_02 (06:35):
And he's hilarious because he's my main spirit
guide.
When I talk to him, I'll say,Clement, I know who you are
after all these years.
You don't have to wear the hat.
And he says, Yeah, but it looksgood, don't you think?
You would appreciate that.
You bet you, I'm a hat man.
You're a hat man like Clement.
So a couple years go by, I wrotekind of a you know, cursory
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version of angelic attendance.
And I thought, yeah, I'll get toit someday.
So I'm sitting in church oneSunday morning between my
husband and my son, and thepriest from the altar during his
sermon says, Wouldn't it be niceif somebody could tell us if the
angels and our loved ones reallygreet us and lead us into
paradise?
And I'm getting elbowed from myhusband and my son.
(07:18):
And I'm thinking, God, seriouslyfrom the pulpit, you're giving
me grief about this.
So I said, All right, all right,all right.
And then I thought, okay, I putaskjulyrion.com, the website up,
and I thought, uh, I hope thisdoesn't affect my businesses.
So AskJulie Ryan's up.
(07:39):
I'm lecturing in at this bigconference in front of a bunch
of C-suite executives, mostlymen.
I give my business talk.
Afterwards, this guy comes up tome.
He's got his iPad open, Jim, andit's open to askJulieRyan.com.
And I'm thinking, oh, here wego.
And he said, Is this you?
(07:59):
Well, my picture is on thecover.
Of course it's me.
And I said, Well, yes, it is.
And I'm thinking, oh, braceyourself.
And he said, I'm interested inknowing more.
Can we sit together at lunch?
And I'm smiling and I'm saying,sure, I'd love to.
And inside my head, I'mthinking, Great, I'll just get
pummeled for an hour at lunchfrom this guy.
(08:20):
So we sat at a table with eightpeople, seven C-suite guys, and
me.
SPEAKER_00 (08:28):
And everybody listening in, right?
SPEAKER_02 (08:30):
All they wanted to talk about was woo-woo.
Not one thing about theconference, not one thing about
business, not one thing about mytalk.
All they wanted to know wasabout woo-woo.
And so I said I believe it.
Okay, God.
I'm in.
I'm in full force.
I that's a big sign.
All right, let's go.
SPEAKER_00 (08:46):
Well, in a sense, you continued as an inventor
because you invented yourself asa psychic medium.
So, and we're going to talkabout that a little bit more as
you're, you know, uh basicallyyour profession in that respect.
But I also want to know becauseyou're known as a medical
intuitive.
Right.
Well, if I'm correct, this meansthat you can actually perceive
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an illness that a person has andthen implement energetic
healings.
That's quite an accomplishment.
Tell us how it works.
SPEAKER_02 (09:15):
Well, I'm like a human MRI, and my skills have
developed, and this is what Iteach people how to do.
And I connect with somebodyanywhere, anywhere.
If you were in a galaxy far, faraway, I'd find you and connect
into you.
SPEAKER_00 (09:31):
I wish I were at times, but anyway, sure.
SPEAKER_02 (09:33):
Yeah, and then I have a hologram of you in my
mind's eye and I envisionshooting energy.
And it's as if I'm looking at anX-ray or a CT scan or an MRI.
And then as soon as something'sidentified, Jim, then there's an
energetic healing that happens.
SPEAKER_00 (09:47):
Obviously, we're going to let our listeners know
how to get a hold of you, but ifsomebody is suffering from a
medical condition, this perhapsone of our or several of our
listeners might be interested ingetting in touch with you.
So keep that in mind.
And also, by the way, to myaudience, please stay with us
because at the end of this,you're going to find out how you
can get one of Julie's freebooks.
(10:08):
So please stay with us and uhwe'll talk about that in a few
minutes.
Uh, if a person wants to know,and I don't know, there perhaps
this is a leading question, butshould someone want to know, can
you actually tell them how closeto death they are?
SPEAKER_02 (10:21):
Oh, yeah, them and their loved ones.
SPEAKER_00 (10:24):
And this sometimes I would assume people ask you that
question.
SPEAKER_02 (10:27):
They do, and it's not so much a timeline, it's
what I referenced before, Jim,the 12 phases of transition.
And that's the configurationthat the angels and the deceased
loved ones and the spirits ofdeceased pets assume as the
person's getting closer andcloser to death.
SPEAKER_00 (10:45):
And by the way, you mentioned pets.
Uh, incidentally, I believe youcan also scan animals.
SPEAKER_02 (10:52):
Oh, yeah.
Oh yeah.
I'm a buffet of psychicness,Tim.
So All right.
SPEAKER_00 (10:56):
So if somebody has a poor kitty limping around or a
dog just on its last leg, youcan, hey, you can uh take a look
and see what you might be ableto do from a healing aspect.
SPEAKER_02 (11:06):
All the time.
SPEAKER_00 (11:07):
Well, let's delve into your psychic abilities.
SPEAKER_02 (11:10):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (11:10):
Now you state that every person's spirit is
accessible.
Are you able to communicate withrelatives and friends, for
example, of someone that theymight want to know what they're
doing, what's happening, who'son the other side?
SPEAKER_02 (11:23):
Yeah.
What once uh I connect with anyspirit, where it doesn't matter
whether we know them or not,doesn't matter if they're
attached to a body or if they'rein heaven.
All everybody goes to heaven, bythe way.
There was a movie out in the 80scalled All Dogs Go to Heaven,
while all people go to heaventoo.
And so, yeah, it's just afrequency.
Everybody has a frequency theykeep throughout all their
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lifetimes, and that's theirspirit.
And our heads are like bigsatellite dishes, Jim, and they
receive and transmitfrequencies.
So to get in touch with anyspirit, whether it's attached to
a body or not, whether you knewor know them or not is
irrelevant.
You just think of them.
That tunes your satellite dishhead to their frequency, and it
opens up something similar to atwo-way radio communication.
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And you say something, eitheraloud or in your head, and
they're going to respond.
And how you know their responsesfrom spirit is it's that first
thing that comes into your headfast as you can snap your
fingers, sometimes even before,because time doesn't exist in
the spirit world.
Time's a human creation.
So they've already got whatwe're saying, whether it be a
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question or a statement, andthey're they're responding to
us.
SPEAKER_00 (12:35):
You've opened the door to a kind of a sticky
question.
And I I can understand thatbecause you mentioned that you
had a Catholic upbringing.
I went to a parochial school, aJesuit university, and uh I had
a lot of that you know coming atme.
I have somewhat of differentfeelings these days, but the
point being, uh, andparticularly based on your uh,
(12:58):
shall we say, motivation fromPope Clement, as a practicing
Catholic, and you go to Mass,and I assume you have a
traditional belief in God, it'smy understanding the Catholic
Church does not believe orcondone in the use of mediums.
There are several passages inthe Bible that refer to that.
How do you how do you uh workwith that?
(13:18):
Isn't is that a bit of achallenge?
SPEAKER_02 (13:21):
Well, interestingly enough, Pope Francis in 2016
issued a papal bowl, which iskind of like a newsletter, and
he said that he wanted all ofhis pastors to welcome psychics
and healers because they weredoing the work of the Holy
Spirit.
Uh that's good.
That's good to know.
SPEAKER_00 (13:38):
Yeah, you mentioned though that I'm I'm curious
about this because you mentioneduh that we all go to heaven,
which is great news.
I believe that as well.
Right.
Uh what about things in theBible?
What about hell?
What about the devil?
Uh, how do those come into play?
I mean, if you're going toheaven, then you don't have to
worry about hell, correct?
SPEAKER_02 (13:58):
Well, I am no Bible scholar, no biblical theologian
or whatever.
But you know, Hades was wherethe lepers were.
You're gonna be banished toHades.
That's out in the middle of thedesert with all the leopards.
And then over the years and allthe translations and all the way
that that information's beenmanipulated, you know, it turned
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into hell, and you're gonna goburn for eternity.
Pope John Paul II said, hellisn't a fiery pit.
And I don't know exactlyverbatim what he said, but that
was the gist that he came outand said that.
Furthermore, I have a fun storyabout when my dad was dying that
really cemented it for me.
May I share that?
SPEAKER_00 (14:39):
Please.
SPEAKER_02 (14:40):
My dad went to Rome and was in the seminary to be a
priest on the GI Bill afterWorld War II, and he graduated
from the Gregorian, where a lotof your Jesuit buddies went.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (14:53):
Many times chatting all day, all chatting all day.
SPEAKER_02 (14:57):
And so when he was dying, I mean, he drank the
serious Kool-Aid.
You know, he's in Rome in theseminary, for heaven's sakes.
And he left six months before hewas to be ordained.
Obviously.
SPEAKER_00 (15:09):
Thank goodness for you.
SPEAKER_02 (15:10):
That's right.
Yes, and my siblings.
And so when he was dying, he wasin the ICU and he was so afraid
to die, Jim.
He really thought he was gonnago have to burn in purgatory for
a long time, or maybe evenworse.
And I kept saying to himtelepathically, because he was
in a coma, I said, Dad, itdoesn't exist, done exist.
He said, Well, how do you know?
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And I'm thinking, I'm not anexpert on the church.
So I'm looking around andthere's all these spirits in the
room.
And there's a spirit of a of apriest who had died six months
prior, who was a very dearfriend of our family.
His name was Jim Hanley.
And so I asked him, I said, youknow, can you help with this?
I'm not an authority on thechurch.
He don't believe me.
And he laughed.
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This guy was a riot.
And so, next thing I know, theroom, Jim, is full of dead
popes.
They all got their pope hats on.
So now they're popes.
And I said, and and there wasone pope next to my dad's right
shoulder with Father Hanley nextto him.
And I said, Who's that toHanley?
And he said, It's Pius XII.
Well, Pius XII was in officewhen my dad was in the seminary,
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and my dad, when his bishopwould come over for his biannual
meetings, he'd take my dad intothe Pope's private study with
him.
So my dad, you know, had hadpur-to-person contact with Pius
XII.
And Pius said, Tom, there's nohell.
Everybody goes to heaven.
We're all waiting for you.
Come on, whenever you're ready,we'll see you there.
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And in the room with all thesedead popes, you know, like in a
crowd in the on a play on thestage, you can hear them going,
you know, they're all talkingamongst themselves and nodding
their heads.
And I thought, all right, I canread all this holy scripture and
stuff, but when I got a roomfull of dead popes in my dad's
ICU room saying, Everybody goesto heaven, come on, that
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cemented it for me.
SPEAKER_00 (17:01):
Julia, uh, let me tell you, you just uh gave uh uh
six significant release tothousands of people who were
worried about God, will I go tohell?
So uh anyway, uh my feeling hasalways been there's a lot of
hell we're going through righton earth.
So maybe that's the answer to itall.
SPEAKER_02 (17:20):
I think it was lost in translation, Jim.
SPEAKER_00 (17:23):
Probably so.
Well, let's get into past lives.
SPEAKER_02 (17:25):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (17:26):
Can you identify someone's past life or lives and
how they impact the person'spresent life?
SPEAKER_02 (17:33):
Oh, yeah, all the time.
All the time.
They are so much fun, Jim,because oftentimes we can
validate the information we getfrom spirit with historical
documentation online.
And I always say, I can't makethis stuff up.
I mean, I'm not that creative,and I'm not that much of a
historian.
So, yes, there's always asemblance of a script that I'll
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see repeat through multiplelifetimes, and we're looking at
that script from a differentperspective each time.
I use the analogy of Hamlet.
You think of how many times hasHamlet been performed since
Shakespeare wrote it in 1602?
Who knows?
But certainly, when was itperformed?
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What were the variables?
When was it performed?
Where?
In what language, by whom?
Who was the director?
Who was the producer?
Who were the actors?
All those different pieces andparts are going to give us a
different interpretation of thesame script in all of those
performances of Hamlet.
And past lives are kind of likethat.
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We come in with things we wantto explore and experience, and
we'll look at them from adifferent perspective.
SPEAKER_00 (18:45):
Well, very well said.
So let's get into your book, uh,one of your books, uh Angelic
Attendance.
As they are dying, every persongoes through 12 phases of
transition.
SPEAKER_02 (18:57):
Correct.
SPEAKER_00 (18:57):
Can you tell us what the phases are and what happens?
SPEAKER_02 (19:00):
Sure, sure.
And I'll paraphrase them.
So uh the spirit, you and I weretaught that the spirit of the
soul is someplace in the chestarea, right?
That's not what I perceive.
What I perceive is the spirit'sthe main part of us, and the
body's inside the spirit, andthen it's all enclosed in what I
call the energy field membrane.
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And if you look at the oldmaster's paintings of saints and
holy people, they're depictedwith a halo around their head or
around their whole body.
Well, guess what?
That's their energy field, it'stheir spirit, right?
It's their halo, it's theiraura.
We're all holy people, we allhave one.
So when the spirit separatesfrom the body, that's the
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everlasting part of us.
That's the part that goes intonon-physical, which is what I
call heaven.
And then the body stays, youknow, in the human existence.
So as the spirit's starting toseparate, it comes out through
the top of the head and it hangson and it looks like a speech
bubble that you'd see in acartoon with the character's
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thoughts or statement.
And then that's phase one.
Phase two, the parent spiritsarrive.
Now, the per the spirit who isthe maternal spirit closest to
the person who's dying is theone that runs the show from the
spirit world.
That really surprised me, Jim.
I thought God's probably gotsome like, you know, death
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department or something inheaven, and he dispatches some
angel.
Okay, Susie Q's dying inMemphis, you know, hey, go help
her.
No, it's the closest maternalspirit to the person who's
dying.
My mother's deceased.
When I die, my mother will bethere running the show.
SPEAKER_00 (20:46):
I see.
SPEAKER_02 (20:47):
My mother was still alive, it would be my maternal
grandmother.
If she was still alive, it wouldbe her mother.
It's always on the maternalline.
Which in many cultures, it's allabout the maternal line.
Think of think of um the Jewish,the Gentile woman will
oftentimes convert to Judaism sothat that child will be born
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Jewish because they're notconsidered a Jew unless born of
a Jewish mother.
So this is ancient stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (21:15):
So this is phase two now we're talking about,
correct?
This is phase two, and there are12 phases altogether that we go
through.
SPEAKER_02 (21:23):
That's right.
And uh and then the paternalspirit comes again.
My dad's deceased, my dad wouldbe there.
If my dad was still alive, itwould be my maternal
grandfather.
It's always on the maternalline.
So there's that phase three,angels show up, and these are,
and the mother spirits bringingin the angels, and these are big
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angels as I picture them.
Big wings, white gown, ropebelt, barefoot.
Is that what angels really looklike?
That's what I was taught theylook like.
So they're big, and they withthe parents, let's say our
patient is in a bed, just forconversation's sake.
The parent spirits are at thefoot of the bed, and the angels
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form a circle with the parentsanchoring that circle.
And then as the now, importantpoint, too.
Somebody who grew up in anindigenous culture in the middle
of the Amazon may see angelenergy as just a purple ball of
fog.
We're always spirit's going toappear to us in a way that we
can understand who it is basedon our own human frame of
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reference.
So as the person's gettingcloser to death, that circle
opens into a horseshoe andeventually a straight line
across the foot of the bed.
And then I call them angeliccrowd control because during the
phases, there are so manyspirits that show up.
Jim, I call them the Welcome toHeaven committee.
(22:54):
And do you remember the oldwelcome wagon ladies in a
neighborhood?
Oh, sure.
SPEAKER_00 (22:58):
Sure.
SPEAKER_02 (22:59):
You'd move in a neighborhood and they bring you
like a basket of peaches orsomething.
So there's so many spirits thereto welcome the person, even
before they die, that they looklike specks on the horizon.
I mean tens of thousands ofthem, and they're dressed in
period attire, which isfascinating.
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You may see cavemen dress andrenaissance and 1860s, go-go
boots and mini skirts, twiggydresses, and it's fascinating.
And pets show up about phasefive, about phase six, there's a
new phenomenon that occurs.
And two extra angels show up andthey position themselves on
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either side of the spirit bubbleabove the head.
And of course, the first timeI'm seeing all of this is when
my own mother's dying.
And I felt like the Lady ofJustice statue.
Because I felt like on one sidemy heart was breaking because my
mother was dying, and on theother side, I was watching all
this glorious spiritual stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (24:00):
You're happy for her.
SPEAKER_02 (24:01):
Balancing it.
Oh, yeah.
Gave it a whole new meaning.
So when those extra angelsshowed up with my mom, I
thought, I know they're gonnaplay a role, but I have no idea
how or what they're gonna do.
And about phase nine, after likewhen they're in phase nine
between nine and ten, thoseangels' wings start to move on
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either side of the spiritbubble.
And it reminded me of a giantowl.
Have you ever seen an owl fly orseen a documentary on them?
Those wings are massive in theirown.
SPEAKER_00 (24:34):
They are much bigger than we envisioned originally.
SPEAKER_02 (24:38):
It's almost like you can feel the drag.
Well, I'm watching these angels'wings move for hours, this slow,
rhythmic, graceful, silentmovement.
And I'm thinking, okay, this isthis is something they're gonna,
you know, help my mom's spiritprobably detach from her body.
And sure enough, that's whathappened.
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That movement caused a vortex toform above my mother's head.
I could see it, I could feel it,I could hear it.
And it reminded me of being inthe car wash at the end when
they turned the dryer on andit's sucking all the water off
your car.
That's what it reminded me of.
And then my mother's spiritseparated from her body, they
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carried her on to heaven.
They were the escorts to heaven.
SPEAKER_00 (25:22):
So um the 12 phases.
SPEAKER_02 (25:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (25:25):
Um, what is the final phase?
SPEAKER_02 (25:28):
The angels escort the person to heaven.
SPEAKER_00 (25:30):
All right.
SPEAKER_02 (25:31):
So at that point, they're into afterlife, they're
into heaven, and heaven lookslike this huge, big,
whitish-yellowish plasma wall tome.
And we go through it and there'sno trace.
I've been through it many timesescorting people.
We do, I do a procedure calledthe walk to heaven for people
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who are afraid to diet.
It's kind of like a dressrehearsal, so they know what to
expect, and they usually diepretty soon thereafter because
it it alleviates all the fear.
But I gotta tell you, Jim, I'venever seen St.
Peter with a clipboard on theoutside of the pearly gates
going, yeah, you're allowed in.
Now you gotta go burn foreternity.
Doesn't happen.
SPEAKER_00 (26:12):
So now that you mention heaven, what is heaven
really like?
I mean, I know that their timeis not of the essence, but what
do what do souls do on a regularbasis in heaven?
And what are they trying toaccomplish?
I assume they're trying toaccomplish, you know, something
is where they're there, learninga purpose in life,
reincarnation.
(26:32):
Tell us about heaven.
What's it like?
SPEAKER_02 (26:35):
All of the above, what I've been told about a
bazillion times from spirit isthat it's where their attention
goes, it immediatelymaterializes.
So for us to think, okay, I wantto go to San Francisco.
Well, we got to figure out howwe're gonna get there and what
are we gonna do when we'rethere, they just think of it and
it immediately materializes.
(26:55):
Kind of like I dream of Jeannie,you know, she'd she'd like nod
her head or unbewitched,Samantha Stevens would wiggle
her nose and she'd be wherevershe wanted, wherever her focus
was.
And that's the same thing thatI've heard.
And I've talked to literallytens of thousands of spirits
over the years, normally withclients, and they want to talk
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to a deceased loved one, andthey'll say, Well, dad, what are
you doing?
And dad'll say, God, it's great.
I can ski the matter horn, andthen I have a thought, and I
want to be on an African safari,and so I'm in the safari, and
then I have a thought, and Ithink I want to be floating down
the Nile, you know, in a boatback in the Pharaoh's time.
SPEAKER_00 (27:37):
And or we can visit other universes, I'm assuming.
SPEAKER_02 (27:40):
Absolutely.
Time doesn't exist in the spiritworld, so it's frontwards,
backwards, whatever.
SPEAKER_00 (27:45):
So all the things you may have wanted to do in
life without any repercussions,you can actually do when you are
in heaven.
SPEAKER_02 (27:52):
Absolutely.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:53):
Now I realize spirits have a choice, but many
will uh choose to go back intoanother life.
Are you is part of what peopledo or spirits do in heaven,
prepare for that new life thatthey're going to go into, and
then they have a right to, shallwe say, choose what life they
want to become part of?
SPEAKER_02 (28:13):
Absolutely.
It's like we're allscreenwriters in heaven.
We're saying, oh, what if we goback as this you know, person in
this place, this time with theseparents?
So our lives have a trajectorythat will allow us to explore
and experience this, not only asa child, but you make it sound
like an adventure.
It is absolutely an adventure.
SPEAKER_00 (28:32):
Absolutely.
I can see that.
Now, um, in terms of theGeorgia, I know you're doing an
event um in Atlanta, Georgia onOctober 24th, I believe.
Am I correct?
SPEAKER_02 (28:45):
Correct.
24th through the 26th.
All right.
And people tell us about it.
SPEAKER_00 (28:49):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (28:50):
Yeah, people are flying in from all over America
and abroad.
And I've rented out a hoteladjacent to the Atlanta airport.
So there's a free shuttle, andyou learn to do my whole buffet
of psychicness in a weekend.
And it's just so life-enhancingin every way, and it's a blast,
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Jim.
It is so much fun.
SPEAKER_00 (29:14):
So, to register to learn more about this, do we go
to askJulyRyan.com?
SPEAKER_02 (29:19):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (29:20):
All right.
SPEAKER_02 (29:21):
There's a pop-up that shows up as soon as you get
on the site.
SPEAKER_00 (29:24):
Now, also, when you go to the site, am I correct,
that our listeners can obtain afree book angelic uh angelic
attendance, what really happensas we transition from this life
into the next.
SPEAKER_02 (29:38):
And it has diagrams in it, Jim, of the 12 phases of
transition.
So it makes it really easy tounderstand.
SPEAKER_00 (29:47):
We want to remind our listeners that you also have
a very interesting podcast,which is Ask the Ask Julie Ryan
Show.
Is that correct?
Correct.
SPEAKER_02 (29:56):
Yes.
We have three interview showsand And then my live calling
show every Thursday night at 8Eastern.
And we live streaming.
SPEAKER_00 (30:05):
I don't know where you find the time to do all of
this, but that's prettyfabulous.
I'll tell you.
That's that's quite amazing.
Julie, I want to thank you verymuch for joining us and uh good
luck.
And and again to our ourlisteners, that conference is
going to take place in Atlanta,Georgia, October 24th.
SPEAKER_03 (30:22):
Terrific.
Come join us.
You've been listening to BodyMind Soul, America's leading
podcast to explore new horizonsin spirituality.
To listen to Julie Ryan'spodcast, learn more about her
services, and access somewonderful books, please go to
askJulyRyan.com.
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That's askJulyRyan.com.
And remember, to listen to moreexcellent and thought-provoking
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Simply come to our website,jamespolikoff.com.
That's James, P-O-L-A-K-O-F.com.
Now back to Dr.
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Keep that in mind.
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Welcome to Body Mind Soul, America's leading podcast
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Now let's join our host, Dr.
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to discover new experiences andpersonal growth.
SPEAKER_00 (00:35):
This is Dr.
Jim Polikoff, and I have a veryunique guest for this episode of
Body Mind Soul.
I'll be asking Julie Ryan how aninventor of medical devices
transitioned to a psychic mediumwho can actually sense medical
conditions a person has and thenfacilitate healing.
(00:55):
Julie is one of those psychicswho has had dead people stalking
her since childhood.
Plus, Julie's an author andpodcaster.
So why don't we cut to the chaseand discover what this
exceptional woman is all about?
(01:17):
Welcome to Body Mind Soul, JulieRyan.
SPEAKER_02 (01:20):
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm delighted to be with youtoday.
SPEAKER_00 (01:24):
Well, it's absolutely my pleasure.
I mean, you've got a greatbackground.
Uh our audience uh is a littlebit coherent in terms of exactly
what you've done, particularlybeing chased around by dead
people at one point in time.
But anyway, we'll we won't gothere at this point unless you
want to.
Um but I've described yourunique background, and um my
(01:44):
listeners are curious.
You've been a successfulbusiness person, a
businesswoman, and of course aninventor.
Right.
And yet you forsaked bigdollars, I'm assuming, to turn
to a less lucrative field,becoming a psychic medium.
How did that happen?
SPEAKER_02 (02:03):
Well, I didn't have dead people chasing me in
childhood.
I learned how to do all thiswoo-woo stuff.
And I tell people, Jim, I'm aI'm a businesswoman and an
inventor who learned how to dowoo-woo, and I'm a buffet of
psychicness.
So I had a girlfriend a littlemore than 30 years ago give me a
(02:24):
book called Anatomy of theSpirit by Carolyn Mace.
And she called herself a medicalintuitive.
And I thought, well, what theheck is that?
I'd never heard that termbefore.
And back then we didn't have theinternet yet.
So I did the old-fashioned thingand I went to a bookstore to see
what else was available.
I thought, my library isprobably gonna have less than a
(02:46):
bookstore.
Maybe I'll find somewhere in abookstore.
So I went and I found a bookcalled Hands of Light by Barbara
Brennan, who was a NASAphysicist, and she parlayed very
complex quantum physics conceptsinto understandable English for
the non-scientific mind.
That would be me.
(03:07):
And I wanted to know more, so Icalled her school, which the
time was in New York on LongIsland, and I said, Do you guys
have anybody teaching this stuffin my area?
And they said, Yes, we do.
And so I studied with uh theirgraduate for several years, and
she's still my mentor.
She's in her mid-80s now andstill going strong.
SPEAKER_00 (03:30):
Well, I want to make sure I didn't get the story
incorrect, but is there anytruth to uh the fact that a
deceased pope named Clement theSixth had something to do with
this?
SPEAKER_02 (03:42):
He did.
When my mother died in 2002, Ihad been been studying Woo Woo
for probably not quite 10 yearsat that point.
And I had never been aroundanybody that was dying before.
So my mother was dying, she wasin her last days, and it was
(04:03):
unexpected.
And I just thought, well, I'mgonna turn on my radar.
I turn my abilities on and offat will, and then I teach people
all over the world how to do allthis too.
We all have the ability, it'sjust a matter of developing and
enhancing it.
So I started seeing all theseangels and spirits of deceased
loved ones and pets in the roomaround my mother.
And I was thinking, holy bully,what is all of this?
(04:26):
And then I watched it all unfoldas she was getting closer to
passing and then eventuallydied.
And that's what I've come tocall the 12 phases of
transition, and that's what's inmy book.
SPEAKER_00 (04:38):
Oh, well, we're gonna talk about your book also
in a few minutes, and and the 12phases of transition we're also
gonna ask you about in just abit.
But but so Pope Clamath wasreal.
He came to you.
SPEAKER_02 (04:50):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
I was with my mentor.
This is such a fun story, Jim.
I was with my mentor, Susan, andand when she's doing a healing
on me, my deceased loved onesare on both sides of the table
that I'm laying on and face up.
And one day this dead Popespirit showed up and he had on
the Pope hat and the shepherd'srod and the whole nine yards.
(05:12):
And I said, Well, who are you?
And he said, I'm Clement.
And I said, Oh, I went through12 years of Catholic school, so
I never heard of a Pope Clement.
I'm so sorry.
And he laughed and he said,Well, I was number six.
SPEAKER_00 (05:25):
Way back when.
SPEAKER_02 (05:26):
Yeah.
I said, Great, how may I helpyou?
And he said, You're supposed toteach the world what happens
when somebody dies because it'sbeen so bastardized, and people
are afraid, and you know whathappens, and so you need you
just need to get on with it.
And I laughed and I said, Ah,no, thank you.
I'm a businesswoman, people willthink I'm nuts.
(05:46):
And he's he said, Yeah, yeah,yeah.
Everything you've done in yourcareer has prepared you for
this.
So just, you know, get on withwhy you're here.
So I thanked him for stoppingby.
I said, thanks, but no thanks.
A few minutes later, when I wasleaving, I was in my car gym,
and I just for kicks, I just didan internet search on my phone
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on Clement VI.
Come to find out this guy was inoffice during the Black Plague,
and he's best known for hisprayers for the dying and his
prayers for the dead.
And I thought, Ryan, you can'tmake that up.
I never heard of the guy, andthat that's what he's known for.
So you want to hear the rest ofthe story of how this all came
to be?
SPEAKER_00 (06:27):
Well, sure.
Go ahead.
I think it's interesting.
I'm fascinated by a sixthcentury pope coming and telling
you, hey, you're in the wrongfield.
SPEAKER_02 (06:35):
And he's hilarious because he's my main spirit
guide.
When I talk to him, I'll say,Clement, I know who you are
after all these years.
You don't have to wear the hat.
And he says, Yeah, but it looksgood, don't you think?
You would appreciate that.
You bet you, I'm a hat man.
You're a hat man like Clement.
So a couple years go by, I wrotekind of a you know, cursory
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version of angelic attendance.
And I thought, yeah, I'll get toit someday.
So I'm sitting in church oneSunday morning between my
husband and my son, and thepriest from the altar during his
sermon says, Wouldn't it be niceif somebody could tell us if the
angels and our loved ones reallygreet us and lead us into
paradise?
And I'm getting elbowed from myhusband and my son.
(07:18):
And I'm thinking, God, seriouslyfrom the pulpit, you're giving
me grief about this.
So I said, All right, all right,all right.
And then I thought, okay, I putaskjulyrion.com, the website up,
and I thought, uh, I hope thisdoesn't affect my businesses.
So AskJulie Ryan's up.
(07:39):
I'm lecturing in at this bigconference in front of a bunch
of C-suite executives, mostlymen.
I give my business talk.
Afterwards, this guy comes up tome.
He's got his iPad open, Jim, andit's open to askJulieRyan.com.
And I'm thinking, oh, here wego.
And he said, Is this you?
(07:59):
Well, my picture is on thecover.
Of course it's me.
And I said, Well, yes, it is.
And I'm thinking, oh, braceyourself.
And he said, I'm interested inknowing more.
Can we sit together at lunch?
And I'm smiling and I'm saying,sure, I'd love to.
And inside my head, I'mthinking, Great, I'll just get
pummeled for an hour at lunchfrom this guy.
(08:20):
So we sat at a table with eightpeople, seven C-suite guys, and
me.
SPEAKER_00 (08:28):
And everybody listening in, right?
SPEAKER_02 (08:30):
All they wanted to talk about was woo-woo.
Not one thing about theconference, not one thing about
business, not one thing about mytalk.
All they wanted to know wasabout woo-woo.
And so I said I believe it.
Okay, God.
I'm in.
I'm in full force.
I that's a big sign.
All right, let's go.
SPEAKER_00 (08:46):
Well, in a sense, you continued as an inventor
because you invented yourself asa psychic medium.
So, and we're going to talkabout that a little bit more as
you're, you know, uh basicallyyour profession in that respect.
But I also want to know becauseyou're known as a medical
intuitive.
Right.
Well, if I'm correct, this meansthat you can actually perceive
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an illness that a person has andthen implement energetic
healings.
That's quite an accomplishment.
Tell us how it works.
SPEAKER_02 (09:15):
Well, I'm like a human MRI, and my skills have
developed, and this is what Iteach people how to do.
And I connect with somebodyanywhere, anywhere.
If you were in a galaxy far, faraway, I'd find you and connect
into you.
SPEAKER_00 (09:31):
I wish I were at times, but anyway, sure.
SPEAKER_02 (09:33):
Yeah, and then I have a hologram of you in my
mind's eye and I envisionshooting energy.
And it's as if I'm looking at anX-ray or a CT scan or an MRI.
And then as soon as something'sidentified, Jim, then there's an
energetic healing that happens.
SPEAKER_00 (09:47):
Obviously, we're going to let our listeners know
how to get a hold of you, but ifsomebody is suffering from a
medical condition, this perhapsone of our or several of our
listeners might be interested ingetting in touch with you.
So keep that in mind.
And also, by the way, to myaudience, please stay with us
because at the end of this,you're going to find out how you
can get one of Julie's freebooks.
(10:08):
So please stay with us and uhwe'll talk about that in a few
minutes.
Uh, if a person wants to know,and I don't know, there perhaps
this is a leading question, butshould someone want to know, can
you actually tell them how closeto death they are?
SPEAKER_02 (10:21):
Oh, yeah, them and their loved ones.
SPEAKER_00 (10:24):
And this sometimes I would assume people ask you that
question.
SPEAKER_02 (10:27):
They do, and it's not so much a timeline, it's
what I referenced before, Jim,the 12 phases of transition.
And that's the configurationthat the angels and the deceased
loved ones and the spirits ofdeceased pets assume as the
person's getting closer andcloser to death.
SPEAKER_00 (10:45):
And by the way, you mentioned pets.
Uh, incidentally, I believe youcan also scan animals.
SPEAKER_02 (10:52):
Oh, yeah.
Oh yeah.
I'm a buffet of psychicness,Tim.
So All right.
SPEAKER_00 (10:56):
So if somebody has a poor kitty limping around or a
dog just on its last leg, youcan, hey, you can uh take a look
and see what you might be ableto do from a healing aspect.
SPEAKER_02 (11:06):
All the time.
SPEAKER_00 (11:07):
Well, let's delve into your psychic abilities.
SPEAKER_02 (11:10):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (11:10):
Now you state that every person's spirit is
accessible.
Are you able to communicate withrelatives and friends, for
example, of someone that theymight want to know what they're
doing, what's happening, who'son the other side?
SPEAKER_02 (11:23):
Yeah.
What once uh I connect with anyspirit, where it doesn't matter
whether we know them or not,doesn't matter if they're
attached to a body or if they'rein heaven.
All everybody goes to heaven, bythe way.
There was a movie out in the 80scalled All Dogs Go to Heaven,
while all people go to heaventoo.
And so, yeah, it's just afrequency.
Everybody has a frequency theykeep throughout all their
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lifetimes, and that's theirspirit.
And our heads are like bigsatellite dishes, Jim, and they
receive and transmitfrequencies.
So to get in touch with anyspirit, whether it's attached to
a body or not, whether you knewor know them or not is
irrelevant.
You just think of them.
That tunes your satellite dishhead to their frequency, and it
opens up something similar to atwo-way radio communication.
(12:09):
And you say something, eitheraloud or in your head, and
they're going to respond.
And how you know their responsesfrom spirit is it's that first
thing that comes into your headfast as you can snap your
fingers, sometimes even before,because time doesn't exist in
the spirit world.
Time's a human creation.
So they've already got whatwe're saying, whether it be a
(12:32):
question or a statement, andthey're they're responding to
us.
SPEAKER_00 (12:35):
You've opened the door to a kind of a sticky
question.
And I I can understand thatbecause you mentioned that you
had a Catholic upbringing.
I went to a parochial school, aJesuit university, and uh I had
a lot of that you know coming atme.
I have somewhat of differentfeelings these days, but the
point being, uh, andparticularly based on your uh,
(12:58):
shall we say, motivation fromPope Clement, as a practicing
Catholic, and you go to Mass,and I assume you have a
traditional belief in God, it'smy understanding the Catholic
Church does not believe orcondone in the use of mediums.
There are several passages inthe Bible that refer to that.
How do you how do you uh workwith that?
(13:18):
Isn't is that a bit of achallenge?
SPEAKER_02 (13:21):
Well, interestingly enough, Pope Francis in 2016
issued a papal bowl, which iskind of like a newsletter, and
he said that he wanted all ofhis pastors to welcome psychics
and healers because they weredoing the work of the Holy
Spirit.
Uh that's good.
That's good to know.
SPEAKER_00 (13:38):
Yeah, you mentioned though that I'm I'm curious
about this because you mentioneduh that we all go to heaven,
which is great news.
I believe that as well.
Right.
Uh what about things in theBible?
What about hell?
What about the devil?
Uh, how do those come into play?
I mean, if you're going toheaven, then you don't have to
worry about hell, correct?
SPEAKER_02 (13:58):
Well, I am no Bible scholar, no biblical theologian
or whatever.
But you know, Hades was wherethe lepers were.
You're gonna be banished toHades.
That's out in the middle of thedesert with all the leopards.
And then over the years and allthe translations and all the way
that that information's beenmanipulated, you know, it turned
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into hell, and you're gonna goburn for eternity.
Pope John Paul II said, hellisn't a fiery pit.
And I don't know exactlyverbatim what he said, but that
was the gist that he came outand said that.
Furthermore, I have a fun storyabout when my dad was dying that
really cemented it for me.
May I share that?
SPEAKER_00 (14:39):
Please.
SPEAKER_02 (14:40):
My dad went to Rome and was in the seminary to be a
priest on the GI Bill afterWorld War II, and he graduated
from the Gregorian, where a lotof your Jesuit buddies went.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (14:53):
Many times chatting all day, all chatting all day.
SPEAKER_02 (14:57):
And so when he was dying, I mean, he drank the
serious Kool-Aid.
You know, he's in Rome in theseminary, for heaven's sakes.
And he left six months before hewas to be ordained.
Obviously.
SPEAKER_00 (15:09):
Thank goodness for you.
SPEAKER_02 (15:10):
That's right.
Yes, and my siblings.
And so when he was dying, he wasin the ICU and he was so afraid
to die, Jim.
He really thought he was gonnago have to burn in purgatory for
a long time, or maybe evenworse.
And I kept saying to himtelepathically, because he was
in a coma, I said, Dad, itdoesn't exist, done exist.
He said, Well, how do you know?
(15:31):
And I'm thinking, I'm not anexpert on the church.
So I'm looking around andthere's all these spirits in the
room.
And there's a spirit of a of apriest who had died six months
prior, who was a very dearfriend of our family.
His name was Jim Hanley.
And so I asked him, I said, youknow, can you help with this?
I'm not an authority on thechurch.
He don't believe me.
And he laughed.
(15:52):
This guy was a riot.
And so, next thing I know, theroom, Jim, is full of dead
popes.
They all got their pope hats on.
So now they're popes.
And I said, and and there wasone pope next to my dad's right
shoulder with Father Hanley nextto him.
And I said, Who's that toHanley?
And he said, It's Pius XII.
Well, Pius XII was in officewhen my dad was in the seminary,
(16:16):
and my dad, when his bishopwould come over for his biannual
meetings, he'd take my dad intothe Pope's private study with
him.
So my dad, you know, had hadpur-to-person contact with Pius
XII.
And Pius said, Tom, there's nohell.
Everybody goes to heaven.
We're all waiting for you.
Come on, whenever you're ready,we'll see you there.
(16:37):
And in the room with all thesedead popes, you know, like in a
crowd in the on a play on thestage, you can hear them going,
you know, they're all talkingamongst themselves and nodding
their heads.
And I thought, all right, I canread all this holy scripture and
stuff, but when I got a roomfull of dead popes in my dad's
ICU room saying, Everybody goesto heaven, come on, that
(17:00):
cemented it for me.
SPEAKER_00 (17:01):
Julia, uh, let me tell you, you just uh gave uh uh
six significant release tothousands of people who were
worried about God, will I go tohell?
So uh anyway, uh my feeling hasalways been there's a lot of
hell we're going through righton earth.
So maybe that's the answer to itall.
SPEAKER_02 (17:20):
I think it was lost in translation, Jim.
SPEAKER_00 (17:23):
Probably so.
Well, let's get into past lives.
SPEAKER_02 (17:25):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (17:26):
Can you identify someone's past life or lives and
how they impact the person'spresent life?
SPEAKER_02 (17:33):
Oh, yeah, all the time.
All the time.
They are so much fun, Jim,because oftentimes we can
validate the information we getfrom spirit with historical
documentation online.
And I always say, I can't makethis stuff up.
I mean, I'm not that creative,and I'm not that much of a
historian.
So, yes, there's always asemblance of a script that I'll
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see repeat through multiplelifetimes, and we're looking at
that script from a differentperspective each time.
I use the analogy of Hamlet.
You think of how many times hasHamlet been performed since
Shakespeare wrote it in 1602?
Who knows?
But certainly, when was itperformed?
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What were the variables?
When was it performed?
Where?
In what language, by whom?
Who was the director?
Who was the producer?
Who were the actors?
All those different pieces andparts are going to give us a
different interpretation of thesame script in all of those
performances of Hamlet.
And past lives are kind of likethat.
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We come in with things we wantto explore and experience, and
we'll look at them from adifferent perspective.
SPEAKER_00 (18:45):
Well, very well said.
So let's get into your book, uh,one of your books, uh Angelic
Attendance.
As they are dying, every persongoes through 12 phases of
transition.
SPEAKER_02 (18:57):
Correct.
SPEAKER_00 (18:57):
Can you tell us what the phases are and what happens?
SPEAKER_02 (19:00):
Sure, sure.
And I'll paraphrase them.
So uh the spirit, you and I weretaught that the spirit of the
soul is someplace in the chestarea, right?
That's not what I perceive.
What I perceive is the spirit'sthe main part of us, and the
body's inside the spirit, andthen it's all enclosed in what I
call the energy field membrane.
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And if you look at the oldmaster's paintings of saints and
holy people, they're depictedwith a halo around their head or
around their whole body.
Well, guess what?
That's their energy field, it'stheir spirit, right?
It's their halo, it's theiraura.
We're all holy people, we allhave one.
So when the spirit separatesfrom the body, that's the
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everlasting part of us.
That's the part that goes intonon-physical, which is what I
call heaven.
And then the body stays, youknow, in the human existence.
So as the spirit's starting toseparate, it comes out through
the top of the head and it hangson and it looks like a speech
bubble that you'd see in acartoon with the character's
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thoughts or statement.
And then that's phase one.
Phase two, the parent spiritsarrive.
Now, the per the spirit who isthe maternal spirit closest to
the person who's dying is theone that runs the show from the
spirit world.
That really surprised me, Jim.
I thought God's probably gotsome like, you know, death
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department or something inheaven, and he dispatches some
angel.
Okay, Susie Q's dying inMemphis, you know, hey, go help
her.
No, it's the closest maternalspirit to the person who's
dying.
My mother's deceased.
When I die, my mother will bethere running the show.
SPEAKER_00 (20:46):
I see.
SPEAKER_02 (20:47):
My mother was still alive, it would be my maternal
grandmother.
If she was still alive, it wouldbe her mother.
It's always on the maternalline.
Which in many cultures, it's allabout the maternal line.
Think of think of um the Jewish,the Gentile woman will
oftentimes convert to Judaism sothat that child will be born
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Jewish because they're notconsidered a Jew unless born of
a Jewish mother.
So this is ancient stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (21:15):
So this is phase two now we're talking about,
correct?
This is phase two, and there are12 phases altogether that we go
through.
SPEAKER_02 (21:23):
That's right.
And uh and then the paternalspirit comes again.
My dad's deceased, my dad wouldbe there.
If my dad was still alive, itwould be my maternal
grandfather.
It's always on the maternalline.
So there's that phase three,angels show up, and these are,
and the mother spirits bringingin the angels, and these are big
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angels as I picture them.
Big wings, white gown, ropebelt, barefoot.
Is that what angels really looklike?
That's what I was taught theylook like.
So they're big, and they withthe parents, let's say our
patient is in a bed, just forconversation's sake.
The parent spirits are at thefoot of the bed, and the angels
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form a circle with the parentsanchoring that circle.
And then as the now, importantpoint, too.
Somebody who grew up in anindigenous culture in the middle
of the Amazon may see angelenergy as just a purple ball of
fog.
We're always spirit's going toappear to us in a way that we
can understand who it is basedon our own human frame of
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reference.
So as the person's gettingcloser to death, that circle
opens into a horseshoe andeventually a straight line
across the foot of the bed.
And then I call them angeliccrowd control because during the
phases, there are so manyspirits that show up.
Jim, I call them the Welcome toHeaven committee.
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And do you remember the oldwelcome wagon ladies in a
neighborhood?
Oh, sure.
SPEAKER_00 (22:58):
Sure.
SPEAKER_02 (22:59):
You'd move in a neighborhood and they bring you
like a basket of peaches orsomething.
So there's so many spirits thereto welcome the person, even
before they die, that they looklike specks on the horizon.
I mean tens of thousands ofthem, and they're dressed in
period attire, which isfascinating.
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You may see cavemen dress andrenaissance and 1860s, go-go
boots and mini skirts, twiggydresses, and it's fascinating.
And pets show up about phasefive, about phase six, there's a
new phenomenon that occurs.
And two extra angels show up andthey position themselves on
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either side of the spirit bubbleabove the head.
And of course, the first timeI'm seeing all of this is when
my own mother's dying.
And I felt like the Lady ofJustice statue.
Because I felt like on one sidemy heart was breaking because my
mother was dying, and on theother side, I was watching all
this glorious spiritual stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (24:00):
You're happy for her.
SPEAKER_02 (24:01):
Balancing it.
Oh, yeah.
Gave it a whole new meaning.
So when those extra angelsshowed up with my mom, I
thought, I know they're gonnaplay a role, but I have no idea
how or what they're gonna do.
And about phase nine, after likewhen they're in phase nine
between nine and ten, thoseangels' wings start to move on
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either side of the spiritbubble.
And it reminded me of a giantowl.
Have you ever seen an owl fly orseen a documentary on them?
Those wings are massive in theirown.
SPEAKER_00 (24:34):
They are much bigger than we envisioned originally.
SPEAKER_02 (24:38):
It's almost like you can feel the drag.
Well, I'm watching these angels'wings move for hours, this slow,
rhythmic, graceful, silentmovement.
And I'm thinking, okay, this isthis is something they're gonna,
you know, help my mom's spiritprobably detach from her body.
And sure enough, that's whathappened.
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That movement caused a vortex toform above my mother's head.
I could see it, I could feel it,I could hear it.
And it reminded me of being inthe car wash at the end when
they turned the dryer on andit's sucking all the water off
your car.
That's what it reminded me of.
And then my mother's spiritseparated from her body, they
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carried her on to heaven.
They were the escorts to heaven.
SPEAKER_00 (25:22):
So um the 12 phases.
SPEAKER_02 (25:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (25:25):
Um, what is the final phase?
SPEAKER_02 (25:28):
The angels escort the person to heaven.
SPEAKER_00 (25:30):
All right.
SPEAKER_02 (25:31):
So at that point, they're into afterlife, they're
into heaven, and heaven lookslike this huge, big,
whitish-yellowish plasma wall tome.
And we go through it and there'sno trace.
I've been through it many timesescorting people.
We do, I do a procedure calledthe walk to heaven for people
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who are afraid to diet.
It's kind of like a dressrehearsal, so they know what to
expect, and they usually diepretty soon thereafter because
it it alleviates all the fear.
But I gotta tell you, Jim, I'venever seen St.
Peter with a clipboard on theoutside of the pearly gates
going, yeah, you're allowed in.
Now you gotta go burn foreternity.
Doesn't happen.
SPEAKER_00 (26:12):
So now that you mention heaven, what is heaven
really like?
I mean, I know that their timeis not of the essence, but what
do what do souls do on a regularbasis in heaven?
And what are they trying toaccomplish?
I assume they're trying toaccomplish, you know, something
is where they're there, learninga purpose in life,
reincarnation.
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Tell us about heaven.
What's it like?
SPEAKER_02 (26:35):
All of the above, what I've been told about a
bazillion times from spirit isthat it's where their attention
goes, it immediatelymaterializes.
So for us to think, okay, I wantto go to San Francisco.
Well, we got to figure out howwe're gonna get there and what
are we gonna do when we'rethere, they just think of it and
it immediately materializes.
(26:55):
Kind of like I dream of Jeannie,you know, she'd she'd like nod
her head or unbewitched,Samantha Stevens would wiggle
her nose and she'd be wherevershe wanted, wherever her focus
was.
And that's the same thing thatI've heard.
And I've talked to literallytens of thousands of spirits
over the years, normally withclients, and they want to talk
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to a deceased loved one, andthey'll say, Well, dad, what are
you doing?
And dad'll say, God, it's great.
I can ski the matter horn, andthen I have a thought, and I
want to be on an African safari,and so I'm in the safari, and
then I have a thought, and Ithink I want to be floating down
the Nile, you know, in a boatback in the Pharaoh's time.
SPEAKER_00 (27:37):
And or we can visit other universes, I'm assuming.
SPEAKER_02 (27:40):
Absolutely.
Time doesn't exist in the spiritworld, so it's frontwards,
backwards, whatever.
SPEAKER_00 (27:45):
So all the things you may have wanted to do in
life without any repercussions,you can actually do when you are
in heaven.
SPEAKER_02 (27:52):
Absolutely.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:53):
Now I realize spirits have a choice, but many
will uh choose to go back intoanother life.
Are you is part of what peopledo or spirits do in heaven,
prepare for that new life thatthey're going to go into, and
then they have a right to, shallwe say, choose what life they
want to become part of?
SPEAKER_02 (28:13):
Absolutely.
It's like we're allscreenwriters in heaven.
We're saying, oh, what if we goback as this you know, person in
this place, this time with theseparents?
So our lives have a trajectorythat will allow us to explore
and experience this, not only asa child, but you make it sound
like an adventure.
It is absolutely an adventure.
SPEAKER_00 (28:32):
Absolutely.
I can see that.
Now, um, in terms of theGeorgia, I know you're doing an
event um in Atlanta, Georgia onOctober 24th, I believe.
Am I correct?
SPEAKER_02 (28:45):
Correct.
24th through the 26th.
All right.
And people tell us about it.
SPEAKER_00 (28:49):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (28:50):
Yeah, people are flying in from all over America
and abroad.
And I've rented out a hoteladjacent to the Atlanta airport.
So there's a free shuttle, andyou learn to do my whole buffet
of psychicness in a weekend.
And it's just so life-enhancingin every way, and it's a blast,
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Jim.
It is so much fun.
SPEAKER_00 (29:14):
So, to register to learn more about this, do we go
to askJulyRyan.com?
SPEAKER_02 (29:19):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (29:20):
All right.
SPEAKER_02 (29:21):
There's a pop-up that shows up as soon as you get
on the site.
SPEAKER_00 (29:24):
Now, also, when you go to the site, am I correct,
that our listeners can obtain afree book angelic uh angelic
attendance, what really happensas we transition from this life
into the next.
SPEAKER_02 (29:38):
And it has diagrams in it, Jim, of the 12 phases of
transition.
So it makes it really easy tounderstand.
SPEAKER_00 (29:47):
We want to remind our listeners that you also have
a very interesting podcast,which is Ask the Ask Julie Ryan
Show.
Is that correct?
Correct.
SPEAKER_02 (29:56):
Yes.
We have three interview showsand And then my live calling
show every Thursday night at 8Eastern.
And we live streaming.
SPEAKER_00 (30:05):
I don't know where you find the time to do all of
this, but that's prettyfabulous.
I'll tell you.
That's that's quite amazing.
Julie, I want to thank you verymuch for joining us and uh good
luck.
And and again to our ourlisteners, that conference is
going to take place in Atlanta,Georgia, October 24th.
SPEAKER_03 (30:22):
Terrific.
Come join us.
You've been listening to BodyMind Soul, America's leading
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To listen to Julie Ryan'spodcast, learn more about her
services, and access somewonderful books, please go to
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