June 25, 2025 • 24 mins
In this episode, Dr. Jim Polakof will interview Tricia Barker to find out if there's any scientific proof of exactly what happens after death? The only physical evidence we are aware of, are people who have returned after death and reveal what they actually experienced. Tricia Barker is one such person. She died and came back to tell about it.
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
I am Dr Jim Polakoff, phd, and in this episode, we're
going to explore near-deathexperiences which, in turn, will
provide us with some insight asto what happens after we die
and where do we go.
My guest will lead us into anunknown realm, and her name is
Tricia Barker.
(00:33):
Now, tricia is the author ofthe best-selling book Angels in
the OR and what dying taught meabout healing, survival and
transformation.
Her near-death experience hasbeen featured in television
documentaries as well asmagazines such as National
Geographic, and she's thefounder of the Online Death
(00:54):
Experience Summit, which we'regoing to be discussing shortly.
But first, tricia, tell us howyour near-death experience began
.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Certainly.
I was a senior in college and Iwas on my way to run a race and
when I had an accident a caraccident I basically broke three
vertebrae, completely shatteredthem.
So I waited a long time to gointo the hospital and it was
during surgery that I had myfull near-death experience.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I see.
So it was a car accident thatprompted it.
And then, when the doctors werefrantically working to save you
in your book Angels in theIllwar, you write I noticed two
(01:46):
of the most intelligent beings Ihad ever encountered.
They were large, approximatelyeight or nine feet, with
shoulder length hair andcomposed more of light than a
solid form.
And then you go on to say youdidn't know whether these angels
were real angels in thebiblical sense.
Now I know you becameenlightened after your
near-death experience and you'vedone quite a bit of research.
But what are your feelingsabout angels now?
Do they really exist?
(02:07):
What's their purpose?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Oh, I do believe that they exist and they are
intelligent.
They are highly intelligent andthey send messages, telepathic
messages, but they also sendhealing energy and that's
something I saw very clearlyduring the near-death experience
and I call on them frequently.
Even though I had thisexperience, I have to admit
sometimes I forget to call onthem, but every time I do, I
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sense that energy and it is atransformational energy that we
can work with while we're here.
So I believe these light beingsare here to assist us and here
to help us when we transition,because it can be a little
jarring for some people, and hadthose light beings not been
there in the operating room, Imight have been a little
(02:51):
confused about why I was lookingat my body.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Now I'm kind of curious from a personal
standpoint.
You know, I've been told I havea spirit guide and an angel
around me, and one is mycreative, helps me creatively,
creatively, shall we say.
But do you ever see theseangels?
I've never been able to seemine yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
so if I tune in and and like tune into your energy
right now, I can sense that youdo work very closely with one
angel, that there is one angelthat stands very, very close to
you.
Most people have two, butsometimes they participate in
this realm more with one thanthe other.
And so this yeah, there is thissense of creativity and, you
(03:35):
know, tapping you on theshoulder, reminding you how to
begin something or do something.
There's this sense ofparticipation with the other
side, which is kind of cool.
But I haven't seen angelsfrequently, but there have been
a couple of moments when myvision has opened up and I've
literally seen the angels aroundpeople and that's an amazing
experience.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
So basically, I mean, you don't always see them, but
you just you know they're there.
That's what the bottom line is.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah, I sense their energy and how they participate
with people and the morereadings I do like this, the
more interesting it becomes,because when people are aware of
them or they've had a differentreading and they hear the same
thing or they tend to get somepeople will get a pressure on
their head or they'll get alight energy, that kind of flows
through them and I see how theangels are interacting with that
(04:25):
person and sometimes itresonates with what they already
know.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
That's very interesting.
Now you mentioned in yournear-death experience that and
I'm looking at a quote from yourbook right now you mentioned in
your book that you feltyourself being pulled into a
tunnel.
Then what happened?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah.
So once that tunnel experiencewas very quick.
It was almost as if it wasinstant.
And then I was in the night sky, and this night sky quickly
transitioned into the cosmos andthere was no fear.
That's one thing that I do wantto stress is I felt joy, I felt
freedom, I felt love foreveryone I knew and then, even
(05:07):
from far away, this messageseemed to be coming from a
divine guidance.
Some might call God or you knowthe infinite knowing of the
universe, but this light seemedto be comforting me on my way.
So I did not feel alone, eventhough, kind of technically, I
was alone flying through thiscosmos.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Did you meet anyone at the other end of the tunnel?
You come out of it.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yeah.
So after receiving a fewimportant messages like love is
all that we take with us, andgoing through a life review, I
transitioned into this heavenlylandscape.
The grass was so deeplybeautifully alive and green and
magnificent, and my grandfatherwas there.
He was the only person who wasdead at that time, and this is
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an interesting fact aboutnear-death experiencers they
generally see people who theyknow have died.
They don't see someone who'salive.
Occasionally, there have been afew stories where someone has
connected with the spirit ofsomeone who is either very ill
or is compromised in some way,mentally disabled, and they get
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to see from that spirit on theother side what is going on.
But my grandfather was the onlyone there and he was a very
loving man and he was so muchyounger and so much different
than how I'd watched him die,because I'd been with him the
day he died and he died ofleukemia.
But there in heaven his eyesjust shone with the same light
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that the angels had.
This seems to be a way thatpeople communicate, through
telepathy and through energy,and that seems to be what our
souls are learning from theseexperiences energy, and that
seems to be what our souls arelearning from these experiences.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
So, rather than him being a form of light, you
actually saw his form.
You recognized him immediately.
So some say that you get usedto colors later and to begin
with you actually see theirhuman form, you know, since
obviously you don't recognizethem without that to begin with.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah, it was interesting with him.
He looked about 35, and Ihadn't seen a lot of pictures of
him at that age, and so atfirst I didn't recognize him.
But he had this square jaw andhe also just showed me some
symbols from my childhood andwho he was.
That made me understand thatthis was my grandfather.
And then it all clicked.
But yeah, he chose to look muchyounger in that realm, but he
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did have this glow.
So you know, when you seesomeone's physical form, it's
not as solid as it is here.
So he was just.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
He was also like a light being, but his form looked
like himself from life now youmentioned the grass was greener
than what you would normally seein life and on Earth, so to
speak.
Did you see anything else inthe afterlife?
Did you get any feeling of whatyour surroundings were, what
souls exist in?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, that's a really good question, you know there's
.
It's hard put into wordsbecause it seems like we're
learning at such acceleratedrates in that realm so you're
taking in a lot of things all atonce and it seems as if we are
actually participating with thatrealm.
So my grandfather'sconsciousness was participating
(08:16):
with it, I was participatingwith it.
We helped create a scene thatmade sense to us.
We had, you know, spent manyafternoons in East Texas, where
I grew up, and he had taken methrough pastures in this truck,
and so that's what we actuallydid in heaven was we rode in
this truck that he had willed toour family, which was made new
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in heaven, so much like thegrass being green, I think
everything you can think ofeverything that dies or passes
away or is no longer here withus can be made anew there, you
know, just through the creationof the mind.
So that seemed to be part ofwhat we were learning on that
other side.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
That's very interesting.
Now I think, getting back toyour book you wrote, I found
this interesting reentering.
My physical body felt likebeing swallowed by a painful,
narrowing darkness.
When I awoke, I realized that Ifelt more alive when dead dead.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, so I love how people describe the brain as a
filter to consciousness, becausethat's really the way I see it
now.
Before I was agnostic and acollege student and I thought my
neurosurgeons were so brilliant, but after the near-death
experience I saw they were beingassisted by light beings and
that they have a limitedconsciousness, and I definitely
felt that my own brain was alimiter to consciousness and
being in this body was a limiterto all that knowing out there,
(09:54):
because we operate through timehere and we don't operate
through time there.
We operate through instantknowing and experience and this
expanded way of being, and so itis limiting and tough,
especially after a majoraccident like that.
To come back to a body that isfull of morphine.
You know it's just coming outof surgery is an incredible
(10:18):
amounts of pain and I'm tryingto make sense of what just
happened.
But but, yeah, that that firstmoment of being kind of shoved
back in my body did not feel aswonderful as being near the
consciousness of that loving God, which is eventually where the
near death experience took me.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
You probably felt like you wanted to go back.
You wanted to return to whereyou were.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, and a lot of people get depressed after a
near death experience and Idon't think that I ever felt
depressed after the near-deathexperience.
I felt depressed going throughsome of those situations here in
life and feeling burdened bythem, but I felt like I got a
glimpse of the best loveimaginable and I was so grateful
(10:59):
for that.
You know, like that's.
All I could think about was wow, aren't I blessed to have seen
that and been that close to itand to know that love deep
within me and to know thatthat's where we're going.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Well, and I want to mention that, what you've
described, I mean Tricia, andthis is to our audience of
listeners and viewers on YouTube.
Tricia went through quite anexperience and that's all
outlined in her book.
So we're talking about the verybeginning of her book.
There's so much more to it.
But again, when you look backon this, tricia, what are the
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greatest lessons you took awayfrom your near-death experience?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, one of the greatest lessons in the first
lessons is how to love humanity.
Pain or, you know, just feelingso isolated on this journey
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here, and I think a near-deathexperience just opened this door
to this perception whichallowed me to connect with
angels, which allowed me to knowGod, and even when things were
difficult here, there was thissense of I'm not alone.
And that's really a wonderfulexperience that you can be
totally alone in life, but notalone because you're supported
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by so much love over on thatother side.
And everyone is, everyone hasangels, everyone has ancestors
cheering them on.
You know, if they aren't awareof their guides, they can find
out more about them, they cansearch for them.
So that was a great gift.
But also knowing and this isthe third one we grew up as
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Americans in kind of amaterialistic culture and I grew
up poor, wanted to besuccessful and what I realized
is my mission from the otherside, working as a teacher was
such a blessing that to helpothers is the greatest blessing
and we can imagine so.
Knowing that I've been a partof people's lives, help them on
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their path, it's just made sucha huge difference and and I did
suffer from different forms ofdepression, but I think a job
like that, where you're inmotion and you're helping others
succeed, just brushes all thataside and you really live a
pretty joyful life.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Well, speaking of helping others and also getting
back to your angels again, Iunderstand you do guided
meditation, so do you bring theangels into the guided
meditation?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah, sometimes I do, and it's been a lot of fun.
So medical medium the medicalmedium wrote about unknown
angels, that there's unusedangels just floating around, and
so I did a meditation with that, which was a ton of fun to just
get people to imagine.
You know, if you have somethingthat you're trying to make a
breakthrough with, why not callon lots of angels?
(14:06):
There, might you know, at thatvery moment there might not be
very many that are being used,so you know until this gets more
popular, use them all Unusedangels.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Okay, that makes sense.
So let's talk about yourupcoming Near-Death Summit.
It happens in July.
Why don't you tell us about thepurpose of the summit and how
people can tune into it?
I mean either through theircomputers or, I suppose, their
smartphones as well.
But tell us about it.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, so the majority of it is streamed live on my
YouTube channel.
So if you look me up and it'sTricia Barker, healed by the
light near death experience, butif you find my particular
channel, on those dates, I haveseveral speakers who will just
be talking live on my channel,but there's some recordings
beforehand and this is and thisis a paid part of the material
(14:57):
is I want to do something thatI'm not going to put out on
YouTube?
I have a ton of videos out therefor the world to see, but I
wanted to ask differentmotivational speakers and
psychologists and spiritualteachers some really deep
questions for people who are inpain whether this is grief,
whether this is depression,whether this is chronic
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illnesses, about how tosurrender to that process, how
to connect, but also just how toheal, and that's a big theme of
this conference.
So I'm asking some personalquestions, but I want an
audience that really cares aboutthis topic to be involved.
But the day of the conference,I did this because I love to
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travel to INs and differentconferences, but not everyone
can afford to go to theseconferences and pay for a hotel
and be there for a week, so Ithought, well, hey, I know a lot
of these speakers now why don'tI just stream them on YouTube
or offer?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
And we're just getting out of COVID, so some
people obviously aren't excitedabout traveling.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I think it's a great idea.
Yeah, and I started it beforeCOVID, but the year of the
pandemic it really took off.
So about three years beforeCOVID, I just did this because
people couldn't afford traveland then, when everyone was
stuck there, that was my bestsummit ever.
Last year I just made it free,streamed it on my YouTube
channel, and so I'm doing thatagain because people wanted that
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connection, they wanted to talkabout spirituality during the
pandemic, and I think it wasimportant.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
So let's talk about several of your speakers.
We can't get into all of themin our time, but several of them
I'm interested in and some Iknow.
Of Dr Eben Alexander, forexample.
You know, aside from I did readhis book but I believe he is
the neurosurgeon who, you know,at first doubted anything that
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you could have.
You know afterlife and all ofthat and reincarnation.
He had all doubts about thatand then he went through, as I
recall, he went through thiscoma and he was in this coma for
weeks and apparently hediscovered all of these
magnificent things.
So he's going to be one of yourspeakers and what do you think
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he's going to focus on?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yes, so part of his focus is with Karen Newell, who
she has a sacred acoustics, andhe really wants people to have
their own awakening and to havetheir own experience with
consciousness.
But there's always a ton ofquestions that people have for
him and that's why he's one ofthe live speakers, because I
will take some questions fromaudience members and some
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questions ahead of time.
But one of the things I loveabout his presentations and his
talk is that he addresses whatit was like to be in the medical
field and to have a brain thatcompletely shut down in a way
that should not have caused anytype of imagining or near-death
experience, and he hasverifiable details of seeing a
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sister that he never knewexisted on the other side and
lots of amazing details.
So certainly we'll talk abouthis near-death experience but
also really talk about what he'sdoing now to help others
connect with their ownconnection to consciousness.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Well, and another speaker I noticed that was
somewhat interesting is a womanby the name of Lisa Romano, and,
from what I can gather, she wasvoted number one most
influential person by DigitalJournal, and Yahoo Finance named
her the most inspirationalwoman of 2021.
What's her focus going to be?
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, so what I talked about with her she
actually had a near-deathexperience, but that's not what
she talks about.
A lot we did talk briefly aboutwhen you have that
expansiveness and thatconsciousness opening, you're
full of love, you come back justfull of love for other people
and yet you still have tointegrate and protect yourself
in this world and get throughsome situations which can be
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really challenging.
And her focus is on healingfrom narcissistic abuse and
codependency.
And it was a really challengingconversation and intimate in
many ways.
But we talked about the motherwound for those who have
parental wounds with a mother orfather and what that does to
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the psyche and psychology of thethings.
That people often ask me is hey,I give so much love and I don't
receive love.
You know that they misinterpretreally the meaning of love from
near-death experiences.
(19:44):
And so we talked a lot abouthealing the self, loving the
self, healing wounds and reallyboundaries and protection,
because it's wonderful to bewide open and full of love, but
we do have to love ourselves andand work our way through this,
this world well, and she soundslike she's going to be very
interesting.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Um, also, there's a speaker, I believe his name is
michael tamura and he's theauthor of you are the Answer,
discovering and Fulfilling yourSoul's Purpose.
Has he actually truly had fivenear-death experiences?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
He has and he is one of the most wide-open people and
his wife is, I think, a livingangel.
They're really just wonderfulpeople, and every time I've
talked with either her orMichael I was on their podcast I
honestly feel like just thetopic of angels the three of us
could talk for decades, you know, like weeks definitely, but I'm
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so glad that I have them for anhour on this podcast just to
talk about connecting withangels and talk about a real new
paradigm of not living in somuch competition but really
living in support, spiritualcommunity.
We can be supportive of oneanother.
You know we can all create thisrealm where everyone succeeds,
or at least has the opportunityto succeed, and so I love his
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talks about that.
So there's a lot of thingswe'll cover.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Well, that sounds good as well.
So, by my count, Tricia, yoursummit and I'm just looking at
this right now your summit willfeature 14 live experts I'll
call them experts for practicalpurposes and another
pre-recorded speakers actuallytuning in.
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I mean, do they go out to theircomputer, Do they pick up their
smartphone?
How do they do it?
Once?
I mean, we're going to providethe information on how to get to
it, but you know basically howdo they connect.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yeah Well, first, if you find my website, tricia
Barker, t-r-i-c-i-a Barker,b-a-r-k-e-r-n-d-ecom, I will
keep updating information abouthow to join.
You can certainly follow myYouTube channel and there'll be
plenty of links for how to joinand, like I said, you can see
the free version of the speakerswho will be on YouTube on those
(22:05):
dates.
But the Lisa Romano video andothers are already pre-recorded
and ready to go, and so if youwant to access those more
intimate videos talking aboutnarcissistic abuse and grief and
pain and really how to bringmore joy into your life, no
matter where you are on thisjourney, then that's also
available.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Okay Now, I mean it sounds like an outstanding event
.
I mean I can't imagine somebodywho's interested in the subject
matter would not want to tunein.
Also, I want to remind ouraudience that, aside from going
to Tricia's website, they alsocan go to our website, which is
bodymindsoulpodcastnet, andwe're going to have the
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information about how you get ahold of Tricia.
If you're interested in thingslike guided imagery, where her
book can be sold, et cetera,we're going to have that on our
website, again,bodymindsoulpodcastnet, and
we'll have all of that.
So, tricia, I want to thank youfor joining us.
I'd also like to recommend toour audience that they read your
excellent book Angels in theYor, and that's available in
paperback, and also there's anaudio version, which I happen to
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have listened to.
The audio version that younarrated.
I did no, I guess someone elsedid it, but it was very good.
I was very impressed by it.
Anyway, the book is availablethrough Amazon, so is, I believe
, your audio version of it, andBarnes and Noble.
So, tricia, I hope you're goingto join us again, perhaps after
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the conference is the onlinesummit is done and you can sort
of do a recap and we can joineach other again.
Would that work for you?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
It certainly would Well.
Thank you so much.
This has been a great interview.
I've enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Well, we've enjoyed it as well and we really
appreciate you being part of it.
Please join me next week, Thankyou.
I am Dr Jim Polakoff, phd, and in this episode, we're
going to explore near-deathexperiences which, in turn, will
provide us with some insight asto what happens after we die
and where do we go.
My guest will lead us into anunknown realm, and her name is
Tricia Barker.
(00:33):
Now, tricia is the author ofthe best-selling book Angels in
the OR and what dying taught meabout healing, survival and
transformation.
Her near-death experience hasbeen featured in television
documentaries as well asmagazines such as National
Geographic, and she's thefounder of the Online Death
(00:54):
Experience Summit, which we'regoing to be discussing shortly.
But first, tricia, tell us howyour near-death experience began
.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Certainly.
I was a senior in college and Iwas on my way to run a race and
when I had an accident a caraccident I basically broke three
vertebrae, completely shatteredthem.
So I waited a long time to gointo the hospital and it was
during surgery that I had myfull near-death experience.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I see.
So it was a car accident thatprompted it.
And then, when the doctors werefrantically working to save you
in your book Angels in theIllwar, you write I noticed two
(01:46):
of the most intelligent beings Ihad ever encountered.
They were large, approximatelyeight or nine feet, with
shoulder length hair andcomposed more of light than a
solid form.
And then you go on to say youdidn't know whether these angels
were real angels in thebiblical sense.
Now I know you becameenlightened after your
near-death experience and you'vedone quite a bit of research.
But what are your feelingsabout angels now?
Do they really exist?
(02:07):
What's their purpose?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Oh, I do believe that they exist and they are
intelligent.
They are highly intelligent andthey send messages, telepathic
messages, but they also sendhealing energy and that's
something I saw very clearlyduring the near-death experience
and I call on them frequently.
Even though I had thisexperience, I have to admit
sometimes I forget to call onthem, but every time I do, I
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sense that energy and it is atransformational energy that we
can work with while we're here.
So I believe these light beingsare here to assist us and here
to help us when we transition,because it can be a little
jarring for some people, and hadthose light beings not been
there in the operating room, Imight have been a little
(02:51):
confused about why I was lookingat my body.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Now I'm kind of curious from a personal
standpoint.
You know, I've been told I havea spirit guide and an angel
around me, and one is mycreative, helps me creatively,
creatively, shall we say.
But do you ever see theseangels?
I've never been able to seemine yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
so if I tune in and and like tune into your energy
right now, I can sense that youdo work very closely with one
angel, that there is one angelthat stands very, very close to
you.
Most people have two, butsometimes they participate in
this realm more with one thanthe other.
And so this yeah, there is thissense of creativity and, you
(03:35):
know, tapping you on theshoulder, reminding you how to
begin something or do something.
There's this sense ofparticipation with the other
side, which is kind of cool.
But I haven't seen angelsfrequently, but there have been
a couple of moments when myvision has opened up and I've
literally seen the angels aroundpeople and that's an amazing
experience.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
So basically, I mean, you don't always see them, but
you just you know they're there.
That's what the bottom line is.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah, I sense their energy and how they participate
with people and the morereadings I do like this, the
more interesting it becomes,because when people are aware of
them or they've had a differentreading and they hear the same
thing or they tend to get somepeople will get a pressure on
their head or they'll get alight energy, that kind of flows
through them and I see how theangels are interacting with that
(04:25):
person and sometimes itresonates with what they already
know.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
That's very interesting.
Now you mentioned in yournear-death experience that and
I'm looking at a quote from yourbook right now you mentioned in
your book that you feltyourself being pulled into a
tunnel.
Then what happened?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah.
So once that tunnel experiencewas very quick.
It was almost as if it wasinstant.
And then I was in the night sky, and this night sky quickly
transitioned into the cosmos andthere was no fear.
That's one thing that I do wantto stress is I felt joy, I felt
freedom, I felt love foreveryone I knew and then, even
(05:07):
from far away, this messageseemed to be coming from a
divine guidance.
Some might call God or you knowthe infinite knowing of the
universe, but this light seemedto be comforting me on my way.
So I did not feel alone, eventhough, kind of technically, I
was alone flying through thiscosmos.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Did you meet anyone at the other end of the tunnel?
You come out of it.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yeah.
So after receiving a fewimportant messages like love is
all that we take with us, andgoing through a life review, I
transitioned into this heavenlylandscape.
The grass was so deeplybeautifully alive and green and
magnificent, and my grandfatherwas there.
He was the only person who wasdead at that time, and this is
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an interesting fact aboutnear-death experiencers they
generally see people who theyknow have died.
They don't see someone who'salive.
Occasionally, there have been afew stories where someone has
connected with the spirit ofsomeone who is either very ill
or is compromised in some way,mentally disabled, and they get
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to see from that spirit on theother side what is going on.
But my grandfather was the onlyone there and he was a very
loving man and he was so muchyounger and so much different
than how I'd watched him die,because I'd been with him the
day he died and he died ofleukemia.
But there in heaven his eyesjust shone with the same light
(06:34):
that the angels had.
This seems to be a way thatpeople communicate, through
telepathy and through energy,and that seems to be what our
souls are learning from theseexperiences energy, and that
seems to be what our souls arelearning from these experiences.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
So, rather than him being a form of light, you
actually saw his form.
You recognized him immediately.
So some say that you get usedto colors later and to begin
with you actually see theirhuman form, you know, since
obviously you don't recognizethem without that to begin with.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah, it was interesting with him.
He looked about 35, and Ihadn't seen a lot of pictures of
him at that age, and so atfirst I didn't recognize him.
But he had this square jaw andhe also just showed me some
symbols from my childhood andwho he was.
That made me understand thatthis was my grandfather.
And then it all clicked.
But yeah, he chose to look muchyounger in that realm, but he
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did have this glow.
So you know, when you seesomeone's physical form, it's
not as solid as it is here.
So he was just.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
He was also like a light being, but his form looked
like himself from life now youmentioned the grass was greener
than what you would normally seein life and on Earth, so to
speak.
Did you see anything else inthe afterlife?
Did you get any feeling of whatyour surroundings were, what
souls exist in?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, that's a really good question, you know there's
.
It's hard put into wordsbecause it seems like we're
learning at such acceleratedrates in that realm so you're
taking in a lot of things all atonce and it seems as if we are
actually participating with thatrealm.
So my grandfather'sconsciousness was participating
(08:16):
with it, I was participatingwith it.
We helped create a scene thatmade sense to us.
We had, you know, spent manyafternoons in East Texas, where
I grew up, and he had taken methrough pastures in this truck,
and so that's what we actuallydid in heaven was we rode in
this truck that he had willed toour family, which was made new
(08:38):
in heaven, so much like thegrass being green, I think
everything you can think ofeverything that dies or passes
away or is no longer here withus can be made anew there, you
know, just through the creationof the mind.
So that seemed to be part ofwhat we were learning on that
other side.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
That's very interesting.
Now I think, getting back toyour book you wrote, I found
this interesting reentering.
My physical body felt likebeing swallowed by a painful,
narrowing darkness.
When I awoke, I realized that Ifelt more alive when dead dead.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, so I love how people describe the brain as a
filter to consciousness, becausethat's really the way I see it
now.
Before I was agnostic and acollege student and I thought my
neurosurgeons were so brilliant, but after the near-death
experience I saw they were beingassisted by light beings and
that they have a limitedconsciousness, and I definitely
felt that my own brain was alimiter to consciousness and
being in this body was a limiterto all that knowing out there,
(09:54):
because we operate through timehere and we don't operate
through time there.
We operate through instantknowing and experience and this
expanded way of being, and so itis limiting and tough,
especially after a majoraccident like that.
To come back to a body that isfull of morphine.
You know it's just coming outof surgery is an incredible
(10:18):
amounts of pain and I'm tryingto make sense of what just
happened.
But but, yeah, that that firstmoment of being kind of shoved
back in my body did not feel aswonderful as being near the
consciousness of that loving God, which is eventually where the
near death experience took me.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
You probably felt like you wanted to go back.
You wanted to return to whereyou were.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, and a lot of people get depressed after a
near death experience and Idon't think that I ever felt
depressed after the near-deathexperience.
I felt depressed going throughsome of those situations here in
life and feeling burdened bythem, but I felt like I got a
glimpse of the best loveimaginable and I was so grateful
(10:59):
for that.
You know, like that's.
All I could think about was wow, aren't I blessed to have seen
that and been that close to itand to know that love deep
within me and to know thatthat's where we're going.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Well, and I want to mention that, what you've
described, I mean Tricia, andthis is to our audience of
listeners and viewers on YouTube.
Tricia went through quite anexperience and that's all
outlined in her book.
So we're talking about the verybeginning of her book.
There's so much more to it.
But again, when you look backon this, tricia, what are the
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greatest lessons you took awayfrom your near-death experience?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, one of the greatest lessons in the first
lessons is how to love humanity.
Pain or, you know, just feelingso isolated on this journey
(12:09):
here, and I think a near-deathexperience just opened this door
to this perception whichallowed me to connect with
angels, which allowed me to knowGod, and even when things were
difficult here, there was thissense of I'm not alone.
And that's really a wonderfulexperience that you can be
totally alone in life, but notalone because you're supported
(12:32):
by so much love over on thatother side.
And everyone is, everyone hasangels, everyone has ancestors
cheering them on.
You know, if they aren't awareof their guides, they can find
out more about them, they cansearch for them.
So that was a great gift.
But also knowing and this isthe third one we grew up as
(12:54):
Americans in kind of amaterialistic culture and I grew
up poor, wanted to besuccessful and what I realized
is my mission from the otherside, working as a teacher was
such a blessing that to helpothers is the greatest blessing
and we can imagine so.
Knowing that I've been a partof people's lives, help them on
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their path, it's just made sucha huge difference and and I did
suffer from different forms ofdepression, but I think a job
like that, where you're inmotion and you're helping others
succeed, just brushes all thataside and you really live a
pretty joyful life.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Well, speaking of helping others and also getting
back to your angels again, Iunderstand you do guided
meditation, so do you bring theangels into the guided
meditation?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah, sometimes I do, and it's been a lot of fun.
So medical medium the medicalmedium wrote about unknown
angels, that there's unusedangels just floating around, and
so I did a meditation with that, which was a ton of fun to just
get people to imagine.
You know, if you have somethingthat you're trying to make a
breakthrough with, why not callon lots of angels?
(14:06):
There, might you know, at thatvery moment there might not be
very many that are being used,so you know until this gets more
popular, use them all Unusedangels.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Okay, that makes sense.
So let's talk about yourupcoming Near-Death Summit.
It happens in July.
Why don't you tell us about thepurpose of the summit and how
people can tune into it?
I mean either through theircomputers or, I suppose, their
smartphones as well.
But tell us about it.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, so the majority of it is streamed live on my
YouTube channel.
So if you look me up and it'sTricia Barker, healed by the
light near death experience, butif you find my particular
channel, on those dates, I haveseveral speakers who will just
be talking live on my channel,but there's some recordings
beforehand and this is and thisis a paid part of the material
(14:57):
is I want to do something thatI'm not going to put out on
YouTube?
I have a ton of videos out therefor the world to see, but I
wanted to ask differentmotivational speakers and
psychologists and spiritualteachers some really deep
questions for people who are inpain whether this is grief,
whether this is depression,whether this is chronic
(15:17):
illnesses, about how tosurrender to that process, how
to connect, but also just how toheal, and that's a big theme of
this conference.
So I'm asking some personalquestions, but I want an
audience that really cares aboutthis topic to be involved.
But the day of the conference,I did this because I love to
(15:37):
travel to INs and differentconferences, but not everyone
can afford to go to theseconferences and pay for a hotel
and be there for a week, so Ithought, well, hey, I know a lot
of these speakers now why don'tI just stream them on YouTube
or offer?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
And we're just getting out of COVID, so some
people obviously aren't excitedabout traveling.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I think it's a great idea.
Yeah, and I started it beforeCOVID, but the year of the
pandemic it really took off.
So about three years beforeCOVID, I just did this because
people couldn't afford traveland then, when everyone was
stuck there, that was my bestsummit ever.
Last year I just made it free,streamed it on my YouTube
channel, and so I'm doing thatagain because people wanted that
(16:22):
connection, they wanted to talkabout spirituality during the
pandemic, and I think it wasimportant.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
So let's talk about several of your speakers.
We can't get into all of themin our time, but several of them
I'm interested in and some Iknow.
Of Dr Eben Alexander, forexample.
You know, aside from I did readhis book but I believe he is
the neurosurgeon who, you know,at first doubted anything that
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you could have.
You know afterlife and all ofthat and reincarnation.
He had all doubts about thatand then he went through, as I
recall, he went through thiscoma and he was in this coma for
weeks and apparently hediscovered all of these
magnificent things.
So he's going to be one of yourspeakers and what do you think
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he's going to focus on?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yes, so part of his focus is with Karen Newell, who
she has a sacred acoustics, andhe really wants people to have
their own awakening and to havetheir own experience with
consciousness.
But there's always a ton ofquestions that people have for
him and that's why he's one ofthe live speakers, because I
will take some questions fromaudience members and some
(17:36):
questions ahead of time.
But one of the things I loveabout his presentations and his
talk is that he addresses whatit was like to be in the medical
field and to have a brain thatcompletely shut down in a way
that should not have caused anytype of imagining or near-death
experience, and he hasverifiable details of seeing a
(17:59):
sister that he never knewexisted on the other side and
lots of amazing details.
So certainly we'll talk abouthis near-death experience but
also really talk about what he'sdoing now to help others
connect with their ownconnection to consciousness.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Well, and another speaker I noticed that was
somewhat interesting is a womanby the name of Lisa Romano, and,
from what I can gather, she wasvoted number one most
influential person by DigitalJournal, and Yahoo Finance named
her the most inspirationalwoman of 2021.
What's her focus going to be?
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, so what I talked about with her she
actually had a near-deathexperience, but that's not what
she talks about.
A lot we did talk briefly aboutwhen you have that
expansiveness and thatconsciousness opening, you're
full of love, you come back justfull of love for other people
and yet you still have tointegrate and protect yourself
in this world and get throughsome situations which can be
(19:02):
really challenging.
And her focus is on healingfrom narcissistic abuse and
codependency.
And it was a really challengingconversation and intimate in
many ways.
But we talked about the motherwound for those who have
parental wounds with a mother orfather and what that does to
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the psyche and psychology of thethings.
That people often ask me is hey,I give so much love and I don't
receive love.
You know that they misinterpretreally the meaning of love from
near-death experiences.
(19:44):
And so we talked a lot abouthealing the self, loving the
self, healing wounds and reallyboundaries and protection,
because it's wonderful to bewide open and full of love, but
we do have to love ourselves andand work our way through this,
this world well, and she soundslike she's going to be very
interesting.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Um, also, there's a speaker, I believe his name is
michael tamura and he's theauthor of you are the Answer,
discovering and Fulfilling yourSoul's Purpose.
Has he actually truly had fivenear-death experiences?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
He has and he is one of the most wide-open people and
his wife is, I think, a livingangel.
They're really just wonderfulpeople, and every time I've
talked with either her orMichael I was on their podcast I
honestly feel like just thetopic of angels the three of us
could talk for decades, you know, like weeks definitely, but I'm
(20:42):
so glad that I have them for anhour on this podcast just to
talk about connecting withangels and talk about a real new
paradigm of not living in somuch competition but really
living in support, spiritualcommunity.
We can be supportive of oneanother.
You know we can all create thisrealm where everyone succeeds,
or at least has the opportunityto succeed, and so I love his
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talks about that.
So there's a lot of thingswe'll cover.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Well, that sounds good as well.
So, by my count, Tricia, yoursummit and I'm just looking at
this right now your summit willfeature 14 live experts I'll
call them experts for practicalpurposes and another
pre-recorded speakers actuallytuning in.
(21:31):
I mean, do they go out to theircomputer, Do they pick up their
smartphone?
How do they do it?
Once?
I mean, we're going to providethe information on how to get to
it, but you know basically howdo they connect.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yeah Well, first, if you find my website, tricia
Barker, t-r-i-c-i-a Barker,b-a-r-k-e-r-n-d-ecom, I will
keep updating information abouthow to join.
You can certainly follow myYouTube channel and there'll be
plenty of links for how to joinand, like I said, you can see
the free version of the speakerswho will be on YouTube on those
(22:05):
dates.
But the Lisa Romano video andothers are already pre-recorded
and ready to go, and so if youwant to access those more
intimate videos talking aboutnarcissistic abuse and grief and
pain and really how to bringmore joy into your life, no
matter where you are on thisjourney, then that's also
available.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Okay Now, I mean it sounds like an outstanding event
.
I mean I can't imagine somebodywho's interested in the subject
matter would not want to tunein.
Also, I want to remind ouraudience that, aside from going
to Tricia's website, they alsocan go to our website, which is
bodymindsoulpodcastnet, andwe're going to have the
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information about how you get ahold of Tricia.
If you're interested in thingslike guided imagery, where her
book can be sold, et cetera,we're going to have that on our
website, again,bodymindsoulpodcastnet, and
we'll have all of that.
So, tricia, I want to thank youfor joining us.
I'd also like to recommend toour audience that they read your
excellent book Angels in theYor, and that's available in
paperback, and also there's anaudio version, which I happen to
(23:18):
have listened to.
The audio version that younarrated.
I did no, I guess someone elsedid it, but it was very good.
I was very impressed by it.
Anyway, the book is availablethrough Amazon, so is, I believe
, your audio version of it, andBarnes and Noble.
So, tricia, I hope you're goingto join us again, perhaps after
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the conference is the onlinesummit is done and you can sort
of do a recap and we can joineach other again.
Would that work for you?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
It certainly would Well.
Thank you so much.
This has been a great interview.
I've enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Well, we've enjoyed it as well and we really
appreciate you being part of it.
Please join me next week, Thankyou.
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