November 11, 2021 • 35 mins
Part 2 of my conversation with my Soul Sister, Jennifer Brannen, where we discuss spiritual gifts, boxes we end up in, and outrageous spiritual journeying as a world-changing leader. Learn more about her perspective as we discuss:
- journeying inward
- spiritual work is a blessing but it's hard work
- the call to global citizenship
- the use of our gifts, no matter how great or small
This Week's Brain Break: Miss America Trivia
Tips & Tricks: The Neurological Value of Daydreaming
Guest Biography
Jennifer Brannen is an attorney by trade, but it wasn’t always the plan. Jen began her spiritual journey in college when she suddenly hit her math wall. Confronted with her limitations, she turned from her dreams of pursuing aeronautical engineering to study Comparative Religion.
Through a series of fortunate events, she landed at a Ram Dass retreat with her mother during college. It changed her life. She began to explore the belief systems of the World with a reflective curiosity and inquisitiveness. Her head heavy intellectual quest became a heart centered spiritual practice. Every moment became an opportunity for awareness, self-reflection, and growth. (Notably, as devoted to the spiritual quest as she was, the institution’s Religion department passed her over for departmental honors when she elected to pursue the experience of a three week pilgrimage through the Himalayas in Nepal rather than fine-tune her academic thesis.)
As her external path wound through managing a homeless shelter, parenting three fantastic children, practicing therapeutic massage and reiki, and finally becoming an estate and elder law attorney, Jen honed the art of listening to the Language of the Universe and her own Soul’s voice in the midst of so much cultural chatter. It is her sacred practice and, as she says, the journey of the Every Day Pilgrim.
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EPISODE REFERENCES
* Book: Grist for the Mill: Awakening to Oneness, Ram Dass
* Book: Interior Castles, St. Teresa of Avila
* Book: The Gift: Poems by Hafiz, the Great Sufi Master (Renderings by Daniel Ladinsky)
LINKS
* Live Outrageously Coaching & Mentoring: www.live-outrageously.com
* Visioneering Course : visioneering.liveoutrageously.com
BIO
Lady Grey is an award-winning international entertainer and educator. She has been at the helm of numerous performing arts organizations and has performed everywhere from Broadway to the Sydney Olympics. She currently serves as Artistic Director of Lady Grey's Lovelies and leads international sell-out retreats for women (Outrageous Adventures for Outrageous Women).
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Lady Grey (00:11):
Hello,you lovely humans. Welcome to The Live
Outrageously with Lady Greypodcast. I am your hostess, Lady
Grey. And we're here to talkabout living outside the box,
breaking down barriers, thinkingdifferently and making a bigger
impact on the world. Find us onclubhouse every Thursday for
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coffee talk. And every Sundayfor Girl Talk with Lady Grey. I
would really love to connectwith you and get to know you
better. So I hope that you'lljoin us.
Hey, everybody, welcome back.
I'm so glad you're here with metoday. I have a great show for
you today. We're here for parttwo of stretching our spirits
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with Jennifer Brannon andexploring a more deep and
integrated spiritual path. Lateron in the program, we'll take a
little brain break. And I'llshare with you some of my
favorite things, including somefun trivia about Miss America
and its history. Towards the endof our show, I'll be talking
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about why as a world changer,you should be daydreaming more
and how important it is toexplore different brain states.
If you haven't had a chance tolisten to my last episode with
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Jennifer Brannan, which was partone of stretching our spirits,
we talked about globalcitizenship, and how we treat
people around us. We touched onthe practice of awareness and
self reflection and selfresponsibility. We also talked
about the work of the spiritualpath and how it's a blessing all
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the time, but it is work.
Another point that we coveredwas that there's a spiritual
shifts are happening all overthe world. And there's an
awakening of not just personalspirituality, but accountability
for what our faith traditionsembrace and stand for. And, you
know, we're talking about beingglobal citizens. Like I said,
when you're a global citizen,you are being asked to go
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within, and to start to connectwith your humanity, and to
connect with the creative forcethat's within you. You know, we
are just sort of spiritualbeings wearing some skin. And we
have a responsibility torecognize that we have gifts to
give the world.
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And before we jump in to thissecond part of the interview,
just a reminder that we are allhuman. And we're all in this
together, we have a sharedexperience, even though it may
look drastically different thanyour neighbors, we are all still
experiencing the same planet.
This week, we are getting deeperinto it talking about opening
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spiritual doors, exercisingspiritual discernment, and how
all of this translates intoleadership and the state of our
world.
So one of the things that hasbeen very confusing for me is
this idea that I knew things.
Yeah, just randomly new things.
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And I don't talk about this alot publicly, because it weirds
people out.
Jennifer Brannen (03:40):
And yes, it does.
Lady Grey (03:42):
They don't know how to talk about it, they want to
define it, they need to labelit, and it becomes a little bit
scary. And so when I was growingup in the Christian church,
there wasn't any kind of talkabout, quote, spiritual gifts
beyond like, leadership andadministration and some other
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things. I mean, that was it. Itwas like how to run the church.
Those were spirit gifts, havingsomebody who they would call a
prophet. Right, right. Like,nobody was saying that that was
a possibility for like, a 11 or12 year old girl, right? That
right?
Jennifer Brannen (04:24):
There's no no.
For the modern day, Prophet.
Sorry, Sarah stepped down.
Forget it.
Lady Grey (04:31):
Yeah. So I, I really struggled because I didn't
understand. And I didn't haveanyone teaching me or helping me
understand what this weird sortof stream of information was.
I've been told that I'm going tohell for it. I've been told that
I was a prophetess and thatthere was someone there to
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interpret my message for theentire congregation. I've been
told that I needed to beexorcised, because I was
possessed by a demon. I mean, Ihave had every possible
explanation for just knowingsome truth, right, just having a
message or something that I feellike has been placed on my heart
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for a reason that has downloadedfor a reason.
And when we talk about gifts,and being good stewards, and all
of that, if we aren'tresponsible, if we aren't going
and figuring this stuff out onour own, looking for teachers
looking for, how can I, youknow, sit with this and reflect
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and figure out what I need toshare and what I need to not
share what's for me and what isto edify other people? How do I
parse that out? If we are notdoing that work, that spiritual
work, then we just become likethis spout off, right? where
everybody's like, Oh, gosh, herethey go. Again, you know, I
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definitely have something to sayabout that, I'm sure, right. Or
you end up inside this shell aslike this wreck loose, you know,
where you don't know how to talkto people about what you're
experiencing spiritually.
And I'm bringing this up,because I know that you've gone
through some of this yourself,have can speak to speak to that,
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I'd love to talk about the doorbeing cracked open, is an image
that you and I have used beforein conversation about, you know,
flinging open the door wide ismaybe not always practical for
everyday life, and not being anun. And being able to just sit
and meditate all day. So thepractical understanding of
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spiritual enlightenment and howwe encounter it.
Jennifer Brannen (06:49):
What I'm struck by, again, is the idea of
the box that traditions putpeople in without doing their
own spiritual considerations. Sohow can you think that God
created this world in six days,seven days, and isn't still
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playing with creation orspeaking, were a part of it. My
worldview does not work that youwind up the toy and you let it
run, and you walk away and go,you know, create another world
So I, you know, I think thatthere are lots of us out there,
somewhere.
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who feel boxed in by thetraditions. The people who are
not doing the work are veryafraid of, of that realm. That
reality. What I did was go intomy shell, right, I had all kinds
of experiences with energy andanother level and I went into my
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shell didn't talk a whole lotabout it, you know, I trained,
did a couple of shamanicworkshops. And that's where I
started to recognize that thereis a language for this, there is
a reality that is a traditionthat's been around for a long
time. And anything that's beenaround for a long time speaks a
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lot of truth to a lot of people.
And that includes the globaltraditions, right? Christianity
has some beautiful truths tooffer, as to others. And they're
also things I don't resonatewith. But when you start to open
the door and recognize thosethings, it's terrifying for
yourself until you start tobreak down the doors, and try to
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figure out for yourself, whatthe hell is going on, you know,
because there are there are veryreal things in this world that
people don't want to hear about.
It terrifies them. You know, ifGod is speaking to you, how much
do you know about me? Like,like, what do you know I did
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last night? You know, and and ifGod's telling you that means
that God knows.
Lady Grey (09:17):
Right? It's not a secret.
Jennifer Brannen (09:22):
So there is there is a calling to share
these things, right? Becausethere are a lot of lonely people
out there growing I don't knowwhat the hell is going on. And I
have heard many stories ofpeople where Spirit just knocks
their door down. And certainlythat happened to me too, you
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know, and, and then you realizethat part of that is balancing
yourself and being able tohandle that and discernment.
Right? Like that whole questionof how much do you say or not
say, the more work you do? Themore you start to recognize how
ready is this human to hear whatI have to say? And there is the
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ability to say to spirit I donot know right now.
Lady Grey (10:13):
Just know.
Jennifer Brannen (10:16):
Yeah, I mean, how have you managed because you
came out of a huge box? Yeah.
And, and you have done a lot ofwork in the past couple years in
terms of acknowledging foryourself that these things are
gifts from spirit. And to acertain degree, you are being
asked to open the door forothers and say, I see you, I see
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you as a huge one. Right?
Lady Grey (10:42):
It is huge. And yeah, so one of the things that comes
to mind frequently for me, is Isee your future self that maybe
you cannot see. And that for me,very often is how I perceive
truths. That's how I experiencethis. And that is a beautiful
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thing that I can offer people.
So I you know, I'm working withwomen all the time now doing all
this coaching, and being able tosay, I see you fully stepping
into your greatness, claimingyour crown, you know, becoming
the Queen, that you are all ofthat, right. So it allows me
confidence in what I'm doing,because I can see a path, even
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if they can't sometimes.
But in terms of my own personalpractice, I guess, ritual has
been a strange thing that Istumbled into, and fell in love
with, I understood from havingread Brother Lawrence and some
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other interesting kind ofperspectives on the practice of
repetitive prayer, sort ofmindless prayer. I had
definitely tried to get into thehabit of being in constant
prayer, and I epic failure. Iwas always, maybe it's my ADD or
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something, I don't know. But Iwas just all over the place. And
so in the rituals of some of thethings I experienced in the
Orthodox Church, which wereengaging all five senses, I
found something unlocked for mewith the smells, and the taste
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of communion, right, like all ofthe things that I was
experiencing. So I started doingmorning prayer. And they have a
prescribed prayer, which wentagainst everything that I had
been taught as a young person Ihave been taught that's just
meaningless. Just doing it toget attention, right. It's not
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actually connecting with God.
Right? Well, let me tell yousomething, my own anxiety when I
encounter something, and I can'tcall my body through breathing,
or whatever, I will flip intothat one prayer. Sure. And
suddenly, my entire nervoussystem, lets go. And it's, you
know, it's a learned response,obviously, but I'm, I find
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comfort in that rituals.
And I'm rewriting my ritualsbecause somebody I talked to
gave me the permission to dothat. And I needed somebody to
do that for me, because I don'tfeel like these words. make
sense. It's like you saidbefore, that this vocabulary
just doesn't make sense anymore.
And isn't, it isn't rich enoughfor what I'm trying to do?
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Right. And so I'm allowingmyself to rewrite those to
relearn them to practice thosethings.
Jennifer Brannen (13:45):
But see, having that morning practice
with the words that you weregiven, took you to the place
behind the words, yep, it's thepractice of really using the
tool. And not all tools work foreveryone. And this is where
society needs to kind of allowmovement and allow people to
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really self reflect because nowyou have reached that place.
That reality behind the wordsthat prayer can take you to, and
that self connection and thatself soothing aspect to
connecting to that energy, thatnow you can say, well, what are
the words that capture that forme? And then that's the next
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step, like, okay, so then you'regoing to connect to those words,
what's behind those words, thespiritual practice takes you
higher and higher and higher,right? And you really need to
kind of be grounded in what'sgoing on for you so that you can
keep climbing. And it doesn'thave to be that you're a monk or
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a garden hermit.
That I want to be a gardenhermit.
Lady Grey (14:59):
aspirations.
Jennifer Brannen (15:02):
It's interesting, because the other
thing that comes to me is thatwe limit the spiritual
conversations to the spiritualtraditions of the world. And
part of what I have realized andrecognized is that there are
spiritual paths in being anattorney, in being a physicist,
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in being a teacher, holy cow, isthat a spiritual path, right? If
you if you use it, and you arehaving things reflected back to
you, and realities reflectedback to you, and there are
physicists out there who arepointing to a lot of the same
things that the fifth traditionsare pointing to the
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miraculousness of this world andthe patterns that are here and
can't deny a certain beauty tothis creation and intention to
the creation when things repeatall the time. Right? You know.
So it's, it's important torecognize that you can be a very
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spiritual person without havinga faith based connection to a
tradition.
Lady Grey (16:14):
Getting back to this idea of mind, body and spirit
balance, taking care of yourwhole person, that in order to
be really truly healthy, youcan't ignore your spiritual
life, right we're talking aboutis your personal journey. And it
might be very simple it youknow, it might be that you
reflect on three things beforeyou go to sleep, right? It could
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be very, very simple could bethat you touched something
before you leave your houseevery day, taking ownership of
your spiritual journey, it notbeing anybody else's
responsibility to take you fromA to Z. And it's okay to also
sort of enter the streamwherever you are. Right? And
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absolutely, it's not, there's noexpectation, there's no oh,
here's the bar jump, you know.
Jennifer Brannen (17:04):
So, right, I think for me, the spiritual
journey is about stretching myboundaries. So where are my
limiting beliefs, where are theplaces where your ideas make me
uncomfortable? I think it'sreally important to, we are
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creatures of habit. And we dohave lives that lend themselves
to doing the same things day inand day out. But that doesn't
mean that there aren'topportunities to do an
incredible journey within theself, you might not be able to
afford to go to Morocco and gointo the marketplace. But if you
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have time, you can sit down andwatch a documentary about
Morocco and see it or read abook about Morocco. Or if you
happen to be in a city that isblessed with people from all
over the world sit down and havetea. You know, I had a great
conversation with an Uber guywho was from Morocco, and I take
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me with you.
You know, those, those are theplaces where we learn about
ourselves, right, and thenlearning about ourselves. The
more we do that, the more webegin to understand other people
because we recognize that maybethey've been triggered, or maybe
they're, they're not having agreat day. And we so know what
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that is, and so we can allow formore. And we can also offer
ourselves as a gift to the worldmore because we can make up for
that lack of energy thatsomebody else doesn't have to
rise to their best selves at themoment. It's an invitation. So I
think it's really important thatthe spiritual journey is, is
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like you say you enter whereveryou are, that is the blessing of
your soul. Your soul journey isyours, and to have permission to
rewrite something that you aregiven to make it yours. But what
I will say is, don't throw itall out, because it was given to
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you in your in your path to findthe layers of meaning to you. So
I had to go way away fromChristianity, though I never let
it go completely. But I am nowcoming back and finding the
teachers who I feel like havedone the work and embrace
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Christian beliefs and paths andwords and also embrace the
traditions of the world. And soit's a global, it really puts it
in a global humanity instead oflike I'm over here in my little
church in the valley in themiddle of the country, doing my
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thing, right, and you're alldoing it wrong. That's missing
the point.
Lady Grey (20:07):
That's a limiting belief. That is a limiting
belief.
Jennifer Brannen (20:11):
Yeah, yeah.
You recognize, when you have alimiting belief, you kind of
start to recognize your ownhumanity of. I'm bigger than
that. But culture sure plays arole in putting us in a box
Lady Grey (20:27):
And fear. I mean, just flat out fear. There's so
many layers of fear of theunknown fear of people judging
you fear of failure, if you madeto fill in the blank, right? If
you get to sort of, there's awhole litany of things and I, I
love the idea that we arewilling to step up and
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acknowledge that we've beenunkind to each other. We've been
judging each other, we have beenharsh and full of hates, and
it's not one sided. There is alot of hate flinging around,
especially in the US right now.
It's important for us asleaders, not just spiritual
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leaders, but leaders todemonstrate our spiritual lives
reflected back into how we leadleading with kindness, seeing
the soul, not just with whateversafety or success, right but
right leading, leading from thatplace, and being you know, a
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spirit, lead entrepreneur orwhatever it is right. And that
will change our society overtime, and hopefully help us
heal.
Jennifer Brannen (21:44):
I pray for that all the time.
Lady Grey (21:47):
I know.
So you know what that is, thatis the sound of our brain break.
If you know me, you know thatone of my personal obsessions is
the roaring 20s. And I alsohappen to be a pageant girl. But
did you know that the MissAmerica pageant was founded in
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1921. The origin of the pageantwas an event called The Fall
frolic that was held in AtlanticCity, and this event was
designed to basically bringbusiness back to the boardwalk,
and they had 350 decoratedrolling wicker chairs that they
pushed along a parade route. The350 chairs were pushed by 350
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men, but the main attractionswere the maidens who sat in the
rolling chairs. The event was sosuccessful that the businessmans
league planned to repeat it thefollowing year as a beauty
pageant. On September 8 1921100,000, people gathered at the
boardwalk to watch thecontestants from Washington DC,
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Pittsburgh, Harrisburg, OceanCity, Camden, Newark, New York
and Philadelphia. The 16 yearold winner from Washington, DC
Margaret Gorman, was crowned thegolden mermaid and won $100. The
pageant continued consistentlyexcept for the years 1928 to
1932 when it was sadly shut downdue to financial problems
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associated with the GreatDepression and suggestions that
it promoted loose morals withits revival in 1933, a 15 year
old one and that prompted futurecontestants to be between the
ages of 18 and 26. It wasn'tuntil 1944 that compensation for
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Miss America switched from fursand movie contracts to college
scholarships. The Miss AmericaOrganization announced last year
in 2020, that it would postponeits December competition due to
the COVID 19 pandemic. The nextpageant, which will mark 100
years for Miss America will beheld in December of 2021. And
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outrageously.comSo now let's get back to my
conversation with Jennifer aboutstretching our spirits. And
don't forget to stick arounduntil the end for my discussion
about the incredible power ofdaydreaming and why you need to
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do more of it in your life.
Jennifer Brannen (25:00):
You have to have permission, right? To sit
down and listen, not just to thewords, but what is the heart's
desire. And if you really sitdown and listen to the people
who are striving for a healthyplanet and a healthy world,
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they're not coming from a selfserving place that is protected
by creating division. If you'rea real leader, you want to sit
down and you want to listen towhat's going on with you. How
can we work together to find thecommon place, versus a lot of
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people on the air on all sidesare going, they're crazy, don't
listen to them. But we're notgoing to get anywhere and till
we sit down and start to say,well, obviously, you're not a
bad person. So tell me what'sgoing on and what you're
striving for? What are yourconcerns? You know, and I think
there's more in common thanpeople are being led to believe.
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Because division is power.
And that's part of my concernabout this time in history,
right? We're all on our own. Wedon't have the churches who are
able to gather the kind ofleadership that they once had,
because people are leaving thechurches. And where does that
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lead us, it leads us into aplace where the politicians are
leading from a very self servingplace. In many instances, not
all instances, I hate to speakin generalities. But we are all
stuck in our own devices, withour own individual feeds being
fed, whatever we're getting fromthat, which is not necessarily
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what you're getting from that.
And so the language and thesense of what's going on in time
is skewed. And I think it reallyis an invitation to people to
really start reaching out. Butreaching out can come from a
place of evaluating yourself andyour self journey. Right. So the
more we know about ourselves,the more we learn about others.
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And the more we vise, right,learn about others. I mean, it's
really a fantastic journey thatpresents itself constantly. But
you have to be aware enough torealize you're having a
reaction, right? My my plumber,
Lady Grey (27:32):
oh, no, here we go.
This is an ongoing saga.
Jennifer Brannen (27:37):
Yeah. But we have become friends with our
plumber, because he's at ourhouse all the time. But he comes
from a completely differentworld than we do. And it's
fantastic. Because he comes inand we sit down and we have
conversations. And he's like,you know, it's fantastic to sit
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down with somebody who exploresthis, rather than decides this.
You know, it's it's anexploration that that needs to
happen.
Lady Grey (28:12):
Yeah, the art of conversation.
Jennifer Brannen (28:14):
Oh, what's that?
Lady Grey (28:22):
So, if we had to kind of sum all of this up, which is
hard to do, but if we had to,like, kind of distill it into
what you would consider youroutrageous advice for people
that are listening to this to bewhat would that be?
Jennifer Brannen (28:39):
You know, like you said, you can either be
yourself and be bombarded withopinions and judgments. Or you
can go internally and create ashell to protect yourself from
that. There's a there's abalance that evolves. And so to
have courage to become your bestself is a way to change the
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world. And not to underestimatethat.
Lady Grey (29:07):
Beautiful. I always ask if you want to shout out to
anybody before we wrap up.
Anybody you want to say hi to
Jennifer Brannen (29:18):
you know, hello to everyone I haven't met,
I hope our paths cross. And notanyone in particular. But I want
to thank you, Sarah for being avoice for change, and a voice
for allowing people to be whothey are just having a corner of
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the world where people canretreat and know that you don't
have to be the activist on thecorner. And you don't have to be
the politician who's sittingacross the table from world
leaders, but the people who aremaking this world work and the
people who are you know, justbeing kind and showing up for
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each other, those people arechanging the world too. And they
don't have the same platform andthe same voice. And I think you
are acknowledging that by beingwho you are what you offer.
Lady Grey (30:12):
Thanks. That was really lovely to hear.
Jennifer Brannen (30:16):
Wow, it's very true. Thank you. We all need to
be seen for the part we play.
And I think so many people feelunimportant that they don't
invest in themselves and thejourney. And truth is, you
matter? Everyone matters.
Lady Grey (30:36):
Thank you. So speaking of people that don't
know you yet, I know you're nota huge social media gal. But is
there a way if somebody reallyfeels led to connect with you
that you'd recommend that theyget ahold of you or find you?
Jennifer Brannen (30:56):
Sure. I'm on LinkedIn, as my attorney self.
But I'm certainly open to moreconversations than estate
planning.
Lady Grey (31:05):
Okay. Well, I will list it in the show notes, then
if you send it to me and peoplecan, people can find it there.
So much fun. So much. Thank youfor teaching us to live a little
more outrageously.
Jennifer Brannen (31:18):
Thank you for leading the way.
Lady Grey (31:27):
Each week, I like to leave you with some tips, some
practical things that you canapply to your life, mindfulness,
presence, flow, state,meditation, these are all really
popular concepts right now, inan age where we are constantly
stressed out, constantlydistracted, and always being
pulled from one thing toanother. So the idea of calming
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the mind and being able to riseabove the constant chatter is
very appealing. But while thisis true, it is also important
not to throw the baby out withthe bathwater, so to speak.
Being present is great becauseit allows you to react more
quickly, to enjoy the momentwithout daydreaming and to let
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go of stress and fear. And thatinfamous inner critic. On the
other hand, though, there'svalue to that chatter and to
being distracted. And it'simportant that we don't forget
this, let me explain. Whilemindfulness and presence are
good, they shouldn't be soughtafter, as the only valuable
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brain state. So in other words,we also have to value the
benefit that can come fromsimply letting our mind wander,
and from daydreaming aboutthings, where mindfulness and
flow states are usuallysynonymous. I'm going to get
nerdy here, where they'resynonymous with Hypo pre
frontality. Right, that'smeaning that the front part of
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your brain has has shut down andisn't working. Daydreaming, on
the other hand, is achieved whenwe engage what I call our
default mode network, our dmnThis is a series of
interconnected brain areas.
Together, all these brain areasare going to allow your mind to
wander through memories andideas while you're busy doing
(33:16):
monotonous tasks. So this is whyyou're often going to find
yourself daydreaming when you'rewalking. And it's this brain
state that Albert Einsteincredits with his discovery of
the theory of relativity. So Heattributes his adult job at the
patent office that he used tohave with allowing his mind to
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wander so that he was able touncover ideas that basically
changed our world forever. Manyother geniuses and creatives and
other key influential figuresalso describe similar processes,
leading to their breakthroughsand their discoveries. This is
also when you and I are mostlikely to solve the problems
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that are facing us in our dailylives. Or just to imagine some
wish fulfilling scenario inwhich we're, you know,
performing in a rock band orwith the Rockettes. And guess
what, during all theseexperiences, you couldn't be
further from presence ormindfulness. So the moral of the
story here is that we could alluse a little more of daydreaming
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in our life. The default modenetwork or your daydream state
is just as valuable as amindfulness or a flow state.
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better. So I hope that you'lljoin us.
Hey, everybody, welcome back.
I'm so glad you're here with metoday. I have a great show for
you today. We're here for parttwo of stretching our spirits
(00:56):
with Jennifer Brannon andexploring a more deep and
integrated spiritual path. Lateron in the program, we'll take a
little brain break. And I'llshare with you some of my
favorite things, including somefun trivia about Miss America
and its history. Towards the endof our show, I'll be talking
(01:19):
about why as a world changer,you should be daydreaming more
and how important it is toexplore different brain states.
If you haven't had a chance tolisten to my last episode with
(01:40):
Jennifer Brannan, which was partone of stretching our spirits,
we talked about globalcitizenship, and how we treat
people around us. We touched onthe practice of awareness and
self reflection and selfresponsibility. We also talked
about the work of the spiritualpath and how it's a blessing all
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the time, but it is work.
Another point that we coveredwas that there's a spiritual
shifts are happening all overthe world. And there's an
awakening of not just personalspirituality, but accountability
for what our faith traditionsembrace and stand for. And, you
know, we're talking about beingglobal citizens. Like I said,
when you're a global citizen,you are being asked to go
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within, and to start to connectwith your humanity, and to
connect with the creative forcethat's within you. You know, we
are just sort of spiritualbeings wearing some skin. And we
have a responsibility torecognize that we have gifts to
give the world.
(02:44):
And before we jump in to thissecond part of the interview,
just a reminder that we are allhuman. And we're all in this
together, we have a sharedexperience, even though it may
look drastically different thanyour neighbors, we are all still
experiencing the same planet.
This week, we are getting deeperinto it talking about opening
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spiritual doors, exercisingspiritual discernment, and how
all of this translates intoleadership and the state of our
world.
So one of the things that hasbeen very confusing for me is
this idea that I knew things.
Yeah, just randomly new things.
(03:35):
And I don't talk about this alot publicly, because it weirds
people out.
Jennifer Brannen (03:40):
And yes, it does.
Lady Grey (03:42):
They don't know how to talk about it, they want to
define it, they need to labelit, and it becomes a little bit
scary. And so when I was growingup in the Christian church,
there wasn't any kind of talkabout, quote, spiritual gifts
beyond like, leadership andadministration and some other
(04:07):
things. I mean, that was it. Itwas like how to run the church.
Those were spirit gifts, havingsomebody who they would call a
prophet. Right, right. Like,nobody was saying that that was
a possibility for like, a 11 or12 year old girl, right? That
right?
Jennifer Brannen (04:24):
There's no no.
For the modern day, Prophet.
Sorry, Sarah stepped down.
Forget it.
Lady Grey (04:31):
Yeah. So I, I really struggled because I didn't
understand. And I didn't haveanyone teaching me or helping me
understand what this weird sortof stream of information was.
I've been told that I'm going tohell for it. I've been told that
I was a prophetess and thatthere was someone there to
(04:53):
interpret my message for theentire congregation. I've been
told that I needed to beexorcised, because I was
possessed by a demon. I mean, Ihave had every possible
explanation for just knowingsome truth, right, just having a
message or something that I feellike has been placed on my heart
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for a reason that has downloadedfor a reason.
And when we talk about gifts,and being good stewards, and all
of that, if we aren'tresponsible, if we aren't going
and figuring this stuff out onour own, looking for teachers
looking for, how can I, youknow, sit with this and reflect
(05:36):
and figure out what I need toshare and what I need to not
share what's for me and what isto edify other people? How do I
parse that out? If we are notdoing that work, that spiritual
work, then we just become likethis spout off, right? where
everybody's like, Oh, gosh, herethey go. Again, you know, I
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definitely have something to sayabout that, I'm sure, right. Or
you end up inside this shell aslike this wreck loose, you know,
where you don't know how to talkto people about what you're
experiencing spiritually.
And I'm bringing this up,because I know that you've gone
through some of this yourself,have can speak to speak to that,
(06:21):
I'd love to talk about the doorbeing cracked open, is an image
that you and I have used beforein conversation about, you know,
flinging open the door wide ismaybe not always practical for
everyday life, and not being anun. And being able to just sit
and meditate all day. So thepractical understanding of
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spiritual enlightenment and howwe encounter it.
Jennifer Brannen (06:49):
What I'm struck by, again, is the idea of
the box that traditions putpeople in without doing their
own spiritual considerations. Sohow can you think that God
created this world in six days,seven days, and isn't still
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playing with creation orspeaking, were a part of it. My
worldview does not work that youwind up the toy and you let it
run, and you walk away and go,you know, create another world
So I, you know, I think thatthere are lots of us out there,
somewhere.
(07:35):
who feel boxed in by thetraditions. The people who are
not doing the work are veryafraid of, of that realm. That
reality. What I did was go intomy shell, right, I had all kinds
of experiences with energy andanother level and I went into my
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shell didn't talk a whole lotabout it, you know, I trained,
did a couple of shamanicworkshops. And that's where I
started to recognize that thereis a language for this, there is
a reality that is a traditionthat's been around for a long
time. And anything that's beenaround for a long time speaks a
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lot of truth to a lot of people.
And that includes the globaltraditions, right? Christianity
has some beautiful truths tooffer, as to others. And they're
also things I don't resonatewith. But when you start to open
the door and recognize thosethings, it's terrifying for
yourself until you start tobreak down the doors, and try to
(08:43):
figure out for yourself, whatthe hell is going on, you know,
because there are there are veryreal things in this world that
people don't want to hear about.
It terrifies them. You know, ifGod is speaking to you, how much
do you know about me? Like,like, what do you know I did
(09:09):
last night? You know, and and ifGod's telling you that means
that God knows.
Lady Grey (09:17):
Right? It's not a secret.
Jennifer Brannen (09:22):
So there is there is a calling to share
these things, right? Becausethere are a lot of lonely people
out there growing I don't knowwhat the hell is going on. And I
have heard many stories ofpeople where Spirit just knocks
their door down. And certainlythat happened to me too, you
(09:42):
know, and, and then you realizethat part of that is balancing
yourself and being able tohandle that and discernment.
Right? Like that whole questionof how much do you say or not
say, the more work you do? Themore you start to recognize how
ready is this human to hear whatI have to say? And there is the
(10:07):
ability to say to spirit I donot know right now.
Lady Grey (10:13):
Just know.
Jennifer Brannen (10:16):
Yeah, I mean, how have you managed because you
came out of a huge box? Yeah.
And, and you have done a lot ofwork in the past couple years in
terms of acknowledging foryourself that these things are
gifts from spirit. And to acertain degree, you are being
asked to open the door forothers and say, I see you, I see
(10:36):
you as a huge one. Right?
Lady Grey (10:42):
It is huge. And yeah, so one of the things that comes
to mind frequently for me, is Isee your future self that maybe
you cannot see. And that for me,very often is how I perceive
truths. That's how I experiencethis. And that is a beautiful
(11:02):
thing that I can offer people.
So I you know, I'm working withwomen all the time now doing all
this coaching, and being able tosay, I see you fully stepping
into your greatness, claimingyour crown, you know, becoming
the Queen, that you are all ofthat, right. So it allows me
confidence in what I'm doing,because I can see a path, even
(11:26):
if they can't sometimes.
But in terms of my own personalpractice, I guess, ritual has
been a strange thing that Istumbled into, and fell in love
with, I understood from havingread Brother Lawrence and some
(11:47):
other interesting kind ofperspectives on the practice of
repetitive prayer, sort ofmindless prayer. I had
definitely tried to get into thehabit of being in constant
prayer, and I epic failure. Iwas always, maybe it's my ADD or
(12:08):
something, I don't know. But Iwas just all over the place. And
so in the rituals of some of thethings I experienced in the
Orthodox Church, which wereengaging all five senses, I
found something unlocked for mewith the smells, and the taste
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of communion, right, like all ofthe things that I was
experiencing. So I started doingmorning prayer. And they have a
prescribed prayer, which wentagainst everything that I had
been taught as a young person Ihave been taught that's just
meaningless. Just doing it toget attention, right. It's not
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actually connecting with God.
Right? Well, let me tell yousomething, my own anxiety when I
encounter something, and I can'tcall my body through breathing,
or whatever, I will flip intothat one prayer. Sure. And
suddenly, my entire nervoussystem, lets go. And it's, you
know, it's a learned response,obviously, but I'm, I find
(13:13):
comfort in that rituals.
And I'm rewriting my ritualsbecause somebody I talked to
gave me the permission to dothat. And I needed somebody to
do that for me, because I don'tfeel like these words. make
sense. It's like you saidbefore, that this vocabulary
just doesn't make sense anymore.
And isn't, it isn't rich enoughfor what I'm trying to do?
(13:35):
Right. And so I'm allowingmyself to rewrite those to
relearn them to practice thosethings.
Jennifer Brannen (13:45):
But see, having that morning practice
with the words that you weregiven, took you to the place
behind the words, yep, it's thepractice of really using the
tool. And not all tools work foreveryone. And this is where
society needs to kind of allowmovement and allow people to
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really self reflect because nowyou have reached that place.
That reality behind the wordsthat prayer can take you to, and
that self connection and thatself soothing aspect to
connecting to that energy, thatnow you can say, well, what are
the words that capture that forme? And then that's the next
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step, like, okay, so then you'regoing to connect to those words,
what's behind those words, thespiritual practice takes you
higher and higher and higher,right? And you really need to
kind of be grounded in what'sgoing on for you so that you can
keep climbing. And it doesn'thave to be that you're a monk or
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a garden hermit.
That I want to be a gardenhermit.
Lady Grey (14:59):
aspirations.
Jennifer Brannen (15:02):
It's interesting, because the other
thing that comes to me is thatwe limit the spiritual
conversations to the spiritualtraditions of the world. And
part of what I have realized andrecognized is that there are
spiritual paths in being anattorney, in being a physicist,
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in being a teacher, holy cow, isthat a spiritual path, right? If
you if you use it, and you arehaving things reflected back to
you, and realities reflectedback to you, and there are
physicists out there who arepointing to a lot of the same
things that the fifth traditionsare pointing to the
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miraculousness of this world andthe patterns that are here and
can't deny a certain beauty tothis creation and intention to
the creation when things repeatall the time. Right? You know.
So it's, it's important torecognize that you can be a very
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spiritual person without havinga faith based connection to a
tradition.
Lady Grey (16:14):
Getting back to this idea of mind, body and spirit
balance, taking care of yourwhole person, that in order to
be really truly healthy, youcan't ignore your spiritual
life, right we're talking aboutis your personal journey. And it
might be very simple it youknow, it might be that you
reflect on three things beforeyou go to sleep, right? It could
(16:35):
be very, very simple could bethat you touched something
before you leave your houseevery day, taking ownership of
your spiritual journey, it notbeing anybody else's
responsibility to take you fromA to Z. And it's okay to also
sort of enter the streamwherever you are. Right? And
(16:56):
absolutely, it's not, there's noexpectation, there's no oh,
here's the bar jump, you know.
Jennifer Brannen (17:04):
So, right, I think for me, the spiritual
journey is about stretching myboundaries. So where are my
limiting beliefs, where are theplaces where your ideas make me
uncomfortable? I think it'sreally important to, we are
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creatures of habit. And we dohave lives that lend themselves
to doing the same things day inand day out. But that doesn't
mean that there aren'topportunities to do an
incredible journey within theself, you might not be able to
afford to go to Morocco and gointo the marketplace. But if you
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have time, you can sit down andwatch a documentary about
Morocco and see it or read abook about Morocco. Or if you
happen to be in a city that isblessed with people from all
over the world sit down and havetea. You know, I had a great
conversation with an Uber guywho was from Morocco, and I take
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me with you.
You know, those, those are theplaces where we learn about
ourselves, right, and thenlearning about ourselves. The
more we do that, the more webegin to understand other people
because we recognize that maybethey've been triggered, or maybe
they're, they're not having agreat day. And we so know what
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that is, and so we can allow formore. And we can also offer
ourselves as a gift to the worldmore because we can make up for
that lack of energy thatsomebody else doesn't have to
rise to their best selves at themoment. It's an invitation. So I
think it's really important thatthe spiritual journey is, is
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like you say you enter whereveryou are, that is the blessing of
your soul. Your soul journey isyours, and to have permission to
rewrite something that you aregiven to make it yours. But what
I will say is, don't throw itall out, because it was given to
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you in your in your path to findthe layers of meaning to you. So
I had to go way away fromChristianity, though I never let
it go completely. But I am nowcoming back and finding the
teachers who I feel like havedone the work and embrace
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Christian beliefs and paths andwords and also embrace the
traditions of the world. And soit's a global, it really puts it
in a global humanity instead oflike I'm over here in my little
church in the valley in themiddle of the country, doing my
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thing, right, and you're alldoing it wrong. That's missing
the point.
Lady Grey (20:07):
That's a limiting belief. That is a limiting
belief.
Jennifer Brannen (20:11):
Yeah, yeah.
You recognize, when you have alimiting belief, you kind of
start to recognize your ownhumanity of. I'm bigger than
that. But culture sure plays arole in putting us in a box
Lady Grey (20:27):
And fear. I mean, just flat out fear. There's so
many layers of fear of theunknown fear of people judging
you fear of failure, if you madeto fill in the blank, right? If
you get to sort of, there's awhole litany of things and I, I
love the idea that we arewilling to step up and
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acknowledge that we've beenunkind to each other. We've been
judging each other, we have beenharsh and full of hates, and
it's not one sided. There is alot of hate flinging around,
especially in the US right now.
It's important for us asleaders, not just spiritual
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leaders, but leaders todemonstrate our spiritual lives
reflected back into how we leadleading with kindness, seeing
the soul, not just with whateversafety or success, right but
right leading, leading from thatplace, and being you know, a
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spirit, lead entrepreneur orwhatever it is right. And that
will change our society overtime, and hopefully help us
heal.
Jennifer Brannen (21:44):
I pray for that all the time.
Lady Grey (21:47):
I know.
So you know what that is, thatis the sound of our brain break.
If you know me, you know thatone of my personal obsessions is
the roaring 20s. And I alsohappen to be a pageant girl. But
did you know that the MissAmerica pageant was founded in
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1921. The origin of the pageantwas an event called The Fall
frolic that was held in AtlanticCity, and this event was
designed to basically bringbusiness back to the boardwalk,
and they had 350 decoratedrolling wicker chairs that they
pushed along a parade route. The350 chairs were pushed by 350
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men, but the main attractionswere the maidens who sat in the
rolling chairs. The event was sosuccessful that the businessmans
league planned to repeat it thefollowing year as a beauty
pageant. On September 8 1921100,000, people gathered at the
boardwalk to watch thecontestants from Washington DC,
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Pittsburgh, Harrisburg, OceanCity, Camden, Newark, New York
and Philadelphia. The 16 yearold winner from Washington, DC
Margaret Gorman, was crowned thegolden mermaid and won $100. The
pageant continued consistentlyexcept for the years 1928 to
1932 when it was sadly shut downdue to financial problems
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associated with the GreatDepression and suggestions that
it promoted loose morals withits revival in 1933, a 15 year
old one and that prompted futurecontestants to be between the
ages of 18 and 26. It wasn'tuntil 1944 that compensation for
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Miss America switched from fursand movie contracts to college
scholarships. The Miss AmericaOrganization announced last year
in 2020, that it would postponeits December competition due to
the COVID 19 pandemic. The nextpageant, which will mark 100
years for Miss America will beheld in December of 2021. And
(24:07):
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(24:31):
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outrageously.comSo now let's get back to my
conversation with Jennifer aboutstretching our spirits. And
don't forget to stick arounduntil the end for my discussion
about the incredible power ofdaydreaming and why you need to
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do more of it in your life.
Jennifer Brannen (25:00):
You have to have permission, right? To sit
down and listen, not just to thewords, but what is the heart's
desire. And if you really sitdown and listen to the people
who are striving for a healthyplanet and a healthy world,
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they're not coming from a selfserving place that is protected
by creating division. If you'rea real leader, you want to sit
down and you want to listen towhat's going on with you. How
can we work together to find thecommon place, versus a lot of
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people on the air on all sidesare going, they're crazy, don't
listen to them. But we're notgoing to get anywhere and till
we sit down and start to say,well, obviously, you're not a
bad person. So tell me what'sgoing on and what you're
striving for? What are yourconcerns? You know, and I think
there's more in common thanpeople are being led to believe.
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Because division is power.
And that's part of my concernabout this time in history,
right? We're all on our own. Wedon't have the churches who are
able to gather the kind ofleadership that they once had,
because people are leaving thechurches. And where does that
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lead us, it leads us into aplace where the politicians are
leading from a very self servingplace. In many instances, not
all instances, I hate to speakin generalities. But we are all
stuck in our own devices, withour own individual feeds being
fed, whatever we're getting fromthat, which is not necessarily
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what you're getting from that.
And so the language and thesense of what's going on in time
is skewed. And I think it reallyis an invitation to people to
really start reaching out. Butreaching out can come from a
place of evaluating yourself andyour self journey. Right. So the
more we know about ourselves,the more we learn about others.
(27:13):
And the more we vise, right,learn about others. I mean, it's
really a fantastic journey thatpresents itself constantly. But
you have to be aware enough torealize you're having a
reaction, right? My my plumber,
Lady Grey (27:32):
oh, no, here we go.
This is an ongoing saga.
Jennifer Brannen (27:37):
Yeah. But we have become friends with our
plumber, because he's at ourhouse all the time. But he comes
from a completely differentworld than we do. And it's
fantastic. Because he comes inand we sit down and we have
conversations. And he's like,you know, it's fantastic to sit
(27:59):
down with somebody who exploresthis, rather than decides this.
You know, it's it's anexploration that that needs to
happen.
Lady Grey (28:12):
Yeah, the art of conversation.
Jennifer Brannen (28:14):
Oh, what's that?
Lady Grey (28:22):
So, if we had to kind of sum all of this up, which is
hard to do, but if we had to,like, kind of distill it into
what you would consider youroutrageous advice for people
that are listening to this to bewhat would that be?
Jennifer Brannen (28:39):
You know, like you said, you can either be
yourself and be bombarded withopinions and judgments. Or you
can go internally and create ashell to protect yourself from
that. There's a there's abalance that evolves. And so to
have courage to become your bestself is a way to change the
(29:04):
world. And not to underestimatethat.
Lady Grey (29:07):
Beautiful. I always ask if you want to shout out to
anybody before we wrap up.
Anybody you want to say hi to
Jennifer Brannen (29:18):
you know, hello to everyone I haven't met,
I hope our paths cross. And notanyone in particular. But I want
to thank you, Sarah for being avoice for change, and a voice
for allowing people to be whothey are just having a corner of
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the world where people canretreat and know that you don't
have to be the activist on thecorner. And you don't have to be
the politician who's sittingacross the table from world
leaders, but the people who aremaking this world work and the
people who are you know, justbeing kind and showing up for
(30:00):
each other, those people arechanging the world too. And they
don't have the same platform andthe same voice. And I think you
are acknowledging that by beingwho you are what you offer.
Lady Grey (30:12):
Thanks. That was really lovely to hear.
Jennifer Brannen (30:16):
Wow, it's very true. Thank you. We all need to
be seen for the part we play.
And I think so many people feelunimportant that they don't
invest in themselves and thejourney. And truth is, you
matter? Everyone matters.
Lady Grey (30:36):
Thank you. So speaking of people that don't
know you yet, I know you're nota huge social media gal. But is
there a way if somebody reallyfeels led to connect with you
that you'd recommend that theyget ahold of you or find you?
Jennifer Brannen (30:56):
Sure. I'm on LinkedIn, as my attorney self.
But I'm certainly open to moreconversations than estate
planning.
Lady Grey (31:05):
Okay. Well, I will list it in the show notes, then
if you send it to me and peoplecan, people can find it there.
So much fun. So much. Thank youfor teaching us to live a little
more outrageously.
Jennifer Brannen (31:18):
Thank you for leading the way.
Lady Grey (31:27):
Each week, I like to leave you with some tips, some
practical things that you canapply to your life, mindfulness,
presence, flow, state,meditation, these are all really
popular concepts right now, inan age where we are constantly
stressed out, constantlydistracted, and always being
pulled from one thing toanother. So the idea of calming
(31:49):
the mind and being able to riseabove the constant chatter is
very appealing. But while thisis true, it is also important
not to throw the baby out withthe bathwater, so to speak.
Being present is great becauseit allows you to react more
quickly, to enjoy the momentwithout daydreaming and to let
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go of stress and fear. And thatinfamous inner critic. On the
other hand, though, there'svalue to that chatter and to
being distracted. And it'simportant that we don't forget
this, let me explain. Whilemindfulness and presence are
good, they shouldn't be soughtafter, as the only valuable
(32:31):
brain state. So in other words,we also have to value the
benefit that can come fromsimply letting our mind wander,
and from daydreaming aboutthings, where mindfulness and
flow states are usuallysynonymous. I'm going to get
nerdy here, where they'resynonymous with Hypo pre
frontality. Right, that'smeaning that the front part of
(32:54):
your brain has has shut down andisn't working. Daydreaming, on
the other hand, is achieved whenwe engage what I call our
default mode network, our dmnThis is a series of
interconnected brain areas.
Together, all these brain areasare going to allow your mind to
wander through memories andideas while you're busy doing
(33:16):
monotonous tasks. So this is whyyou're often going to find
yourself daydreaming when you'rewalking. And it's this brain
state that Albert Einsteincredits with his discovery of
the theory of relativity. So Heattributes his adult job at the
patent office that he used tohave with allowing his mind to
(33:37):
wander so that he was able touncover ideas that basically
changed our world forever. Manyother geniuses and creatives and
other key influential figuresalso describe similar processes,
leading to their breakthroughsand their discoveries. This is
also when you and I are mostlikely to solve the problems
(34:01):
that are facing us in our dailylives. Or just to imagine some
wish fulfilling scenario inwhich we're, you know,
performing in a rock band orwith the Rockettes. And guess
what, during all theseexperiences, you couldn't be
further from presence ormindfulness. So the moral of the
story here is that we could alluse a little more of daydreaming
(34:24):
in our life. The default modenetwork or your daydream state
is just as valuable as amindfulness or a flow state.
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