Ep. 129: Untangling The Mandela Effect

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Welcome back to another episode,everybody.
And we got a super interesting one for today.
We're gonna talk about The Mandela Effect.
This one has come up a couple oftimes for me in conversation,
'cause there's some new ones, like, new ones pop up all the
time. And as soon as I brought this up
to Alexis, she's like, Oh yeah, let's do this.
Let's do this one. How's it going?
What you been up to? You're rough today.

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Yeah, I'm really hungover. And the reason why is my step
sister and my stepmom came over and it's kind of like girly.
But my step sister is in school for like cosmetology and all
that. So I have extensions.
So she came over and did my extensions and we were kind of
drinking a little bit and then they left.
And Chase and I, my boyfriend, we look across the road in the

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neighborhood and we see these like bright lights and like
people are partying. The music's up loud and we're
like, Dang, that looks like a good time.
So we're like, should we just, like, walk over and see what
happens? And so we walk over there and
there's some kids out there with, like, suits, and they're
playing football. So we start playing football
with them. They're like, young, too.
And then we go into the backyardbecause the gate is open and

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there's these two women sitting like, right, right up in there.
And I noticed, I'm like, chase, this is a wedding.
Like, we can't, this is a freaking wedding.
We can't be here. And he's like, I know, But then
I was like, but could we be wedding crasher?
Scary wedding crasher. So I like walk up to the ladies

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and was like, hey, like, like wethought this was like a block
party or I don't know, like can we like hang out?
And they were like, Oh yeah, they would love it.
They would love it. I was like, really?
So they're like they grabbed their.
Everybody there is so drunk. They grab our arms, they take us
to the back. And they were like, to the
bride, they're like, these are wedding crashers.
And she was like, Oh my God. They we partied there all

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freaking night. I danced my ass off like there's
so many videos of me dancing with the bride.
The groom was so cool. Everybody was amazing and so I'm
and they it was an open bar so they were just like shoving
shots down her throat. So mean.
This will say I'm a wedding crasher now, and I had a blast
last night, but I'm also highly hung up, so bear with me.

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You can't tell though. Like if I were hungover right
now, I would literally probably would have.
Like, I can't do this. I can't do it like I'd be seeing
double. I'd be all over myself.
I couldn't think straight. That's 'cause you're a man.
How are you when you get sick? I don't get sick.
So you know, no, I'm the biggestbaby.

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Like if I get if if I get sick, I'm a huge baby.
But there there is actually an explanation to that whenever the
whole man cold thing, I actuallyhave an explanation to.
I've heard a scientific explanation today, so I'll get
nerdy about it. Men, and this is not a sexist
thing. Men statistically have a higher
body muscle muscle mass ratio, body body mass ratio.

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So when a cold settles in and you get that, like tension, when
everything is sick and everything gets hurts and it's
achy, you have more actual muscle mass for that virus and
that pain to actually set into the body than a woman would
typically have in a body muscle mass.
I've heard that. It's not my own personal
opinion, but I've used that as the excuse when I've been you

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know, you've got a man cold. So no, I'm the big when I'm when
I'm sick, I am like, I need something to drink, I need
something to eat. Now I'm a big, huge baby when it
comes to being sick, but that's why I don't.
How was your week? I I have been just catching up
on life because, you know, I've I've been this, this year has
definitely been like the year ofgrowth and I've been ironing out

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a lot of things to make room forthe podcast.
And you know, I still have my little obligations, but I'm
trying to minimize how much timeI'm spending on those other
things so that I can make more room for this as time has gone
on. And I know it's not going to
happen in the blink of an eye, but it's definitely, I've seen
more traction. I've seen more followers on
social media, and you know how much I haven't liked social
media over the years? And I'm starting to interact

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with people a little bit more. So I'm like, trying to embrace
the beast that it is, 'cause that becomes its own thing in
itself, too. And like, you haven't been on
social media at all lately, so I'm gonna at least do a since.
August. Right, that's crazy.
But I bet you it's been rewarding, hasn't it?
Oh, it's so rewarding. I would.
I I think everybody should take a break.

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It's amazing. Yeah.
But I'm excited. I know that this podcast is like
your your one true love. It is.
It is a passion. I'd love it.
Everybody's gonna have that outlet in life and I've.
I'm glad I've I've found a healthy version of one because
everybody needs one. So this is one of my many.
One of my many. I'm really, I'm really, really

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excited for this specific topic that we're going on today
because we're gonna get high fee, we're gonna get angry and
everyone's gonna get upset with us.
And it's so exciting. I actually told a couple of guys
at the gym about this and they're like, Oh my God, send
that to me when like it comes out, like people are really
excited about this topic and I'm.
Let's go. I love it.
I love this topic. So the Mandela Effect, Let's

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start off with where it even gotits name.
So for those of you who don't know much about this, which I'm
finding out, there's actually quite a a lot of people who
they've heard about it, and if they have heard about it, they
don't know much about it. If they haven't heard about it,
they don't know anything. So when you start to tell them
stuff about it, if it's their first encounter with the

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concepts and all these differentthings, at first when they hear
some of these Mandela Effect things, they're like, that's
bullshit. And then other times, like,
their brains just can't comprehend it.
And that's kind of part of the conversations I've had in the
last few days. So totally before we dive in too
deep, let's just talk about whatit is.
So it's named after Nelson Mandela.
He was South African president and it comes from the theory

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that he died in prison. A lot of people remember him
actually dying when he was in prison under the apartheid of
South Africa. So he.
Yeah. And people remember him dying in
prison, big funeral and everything.
But then other people remember him getting out and having, you
know, the time and politics after he got out.
And then he died, I think, in like 2013.

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Fourteen, something, 13. So yeah, that's the first part
of it. People were like, wait a minute,
didn't this do it already die? And it was like that.
That's what first spurred it. And then one of, I think the
most famous one that immediatelypeople were starting to connect
the dots with like, wait a minute, History is this way.
I don't remember that. I remember it this way.

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The biggest one was The Berenstain Bears.
Like, I remember that being the very first one of the Mandela
effects. That I was like, I don't know
about the Nelson Mandela thing, 'cause I don't really remember.
It kind of sounded familiar, like, I think maybe he died in
prison, but I just didn't know my historical aspects of it.
Back then. I really wasn't thinking about
all this kind of stuff. But I'll tell you right now, the
Berenstain Bears thing, That's my first hold the fuck up.

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Like, no, no, no, no. I remember the Steen and the
Stein. So let me do a screen share here
just so I can I can show what I'm talking about for those.
This one's stupid. Like this is so wrong.
Yeah, history is wrong. It is totally wrong.
For those of you who are able tosee the video version, it's
available on Spotify, it is on YouTube, and it is on Rumble.

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Rumble's usually a little more delayed, but you can find links
to all of those on livethislife.org.
So if you go on the main page, everyone of the new episodes
that pops up, the links are all right there if you want to see
the video episode. So right now I get an image up
on the screen of what most of usremember The Berenstain Bears
looking like with their title. But if right now you went and

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pulled a book out of a drawer ora cabinet somewhere that's 30 or
40 years old, it is spelled BERENSTAIN, like Stain
Berenstain. But most of us remember Stein.
And my my wife was like, I love the Berenstain Bears.
And there's. I remember because she's from
Eastern Europe. So she's like, oh, I remember
they had like a Eastern European, German sort of last

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name, but no one remembers the STAIN.
That's messed. Up.
That's crazy. That's messed up.
Like. And we haven't gotten into this
yet. But, like, in what freaking
reality would it ever be Berenstain Bears?
It should be Beren. It's Berenstain.
It wasn't. I remember in, I remember

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actually the teachers room, likeI remember it was like third
grade teacher Mrs. Rodgers, she had a big book rack that spun
around and had all these books on it.
And we always used to have the you must have had the paper book
orders that you get like once a month, once every couple months.
Yeah. So I remember those like you do
your book order. And I remember everybody loved
the Berenstain Bears back then. Like that was late 80s, early

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90s and stuff. They all loved The Berenstain
Bears. So people were always getting
them and remember people would say stain or Stein, but it was
never stain like I remember. It was never like a stain on
your shirt. It was never barren stain.
But I feel really upset with youright now, Heath, because now
you're saying barren stain. I know.
Saying it that way. I know.

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It's like, it's like you're being conditioned into a
different reality, which is it'sit's super bizarre, you know?
And there's been arguments that it's just simply misremembering,
You know, it's been nothing. But people just remember bring
things the wrong way. But I disagree.
Like there's there's some quantum physics explanations

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that can actually explain some of these things.
And one of them, if you understand some of the basics of
quantum physics, which quantum physics is, it sounds
intimidating. And when you first start
listening to them describe things like some atomic
particles and you know the quantum movement of particles
and the the like, all these different experiments and papers
and everything that's done, it gets mega mega intimidating.

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But I can kind of break it down just a little bit like basic.
The basic explanation is and some of the recent scientific
experiments have proven this to be true.
There were some significant onesin 2019 and then there were some
more that have happened most recently in like 2022.
They they did experiments with quantum entanglement which is a

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whole different rabbit hole. I don't want to go down today,
but some of the ones that were solidified through most recent
experience. We've talked about the double
slit experiment many, many times, which basically says when
they fired these particles through a couple of slits in a
wall, they fired particles of light.
And it made it went through these slits and made a bunch of
slits on this other back wall. That was basically like an

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interference pattern of light going through these slits in a
waveform, bouncing off each other and making patterns on the
back wall where they basically made strong and weak spots.
Like undulating waves would have, Like the high points of
the waves would hit the back of this wall and everything else.
So they basically said, OK, well, light is a wave, it's not

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a particle. But then they tried to measure
the individual slits with certain sensors and ran the
experiment again. And then the light went through
the two slits in only two bands of light, rather than a bunch of
them where the waves would have interfered.
So the addition of a measuring device on this experiment
changed how reality actually worked.
And this is like an experiment that's like over 100 years old,

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but then they've just been working with it over and over
and over again. So just recently they did some
experiments that was basically it was confirming that reality
is not objective. There is not just this reality
that you observe as a subject. So then you have your own
subjective view, but there is this baseline of an objective
reality. The experiments of 2019 proved

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there's no objective reality. They ran the same experiments
with multiple different sensors,so basically multiple different
observers. And the experiment was different
based on the observers every single time.
So there was no baseline objective reality on how these
quantum particles interacted with the experiment, which blows

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my mind. That basically means that there
is no real reality like the way that things happen.
It's not just this steady, unchanging thing like it's all
based on the observer. So where the Mandela Effect
comes into this is the many worlds interpretation that
basically the world is constantly changing and

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depending on the one little decision that you make right now
and then the one little decisionthat I might make and you know
you you run the stop sign that results in an accident like the
whole back to the future. Like things all change based on
the smallest little changes thatcould happen in in your
day-to-day experiential choices that you would make.
That reality splits off into these little different alternate

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realities every single nanosecond.
So all these multiple possibilities are all happening.
And quantum physics explains that in these these wave forms
where everything is in a superposition.
But then when we put an observeron the collapse of the wave
function happens, it's an all mathematical equation where
everything collapses down to thething you're trying to observe

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as an actual equation that that demonstrates this.
So they're trying to say that basically something could have
happened. Several of those little
nanosecond type splits happened and many of us are having these
remembrances of these things that were part of an alternate
timeline. Then it's also as simple as we

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just don't freaking remember, you know, we we we had way too
many nights when we were drinking fireball at the wedding
across the street and we've cooked our brain in brain cells
and we just don't remember things a certain way.
And it's just like when people have that mass formation of
consciousness, it steam rolls into certain things and people
just believe a certain thing. So like when it comes to the

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Baron Steen and Baron Stain Bears, there's no two different
books out there with different covers unless somebody obviously
made it. It was, one way or another from
the beginning of history. Like the explanation I heard in
a conversation not that long agowas like, oh, the Internet can
change anything. Like, well, the Internet Connect
can't change the book. That's 40 years old sitting in a
box right now. Physical copy.
Yeah, so it just, it just cooks my mind, which makes it super

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interesting because I love this whole This whole season of the
podcast has been just kind of like the what if, what if about
reality? What if you did your life a
different way? What if you actually open up
doors and live your life more rewardingly?
You know that, like, that's whatthis whole season has been
about. And this is one of the biggest
what ifs out there. Like, what if this shit's real?

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Dude, this is like, this is likeone of the craziest topics that
I've ever come across. I was trying to like find up,
find the quantum mechanics behind it, like you just
explained it so well too. But there was something else
about that I want to bring up. But it's basically oh, the
uncertainty of quantum mechanics.
So basically if you, if you start observing the lights that

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you were talking about, like they start doing their own
thing, if you're not observing, And then as soon as you put a
condition on it or as soon as you create a, what is it called?
Like if you add an element to it, then they don't, they don't
like being observed. Yeah, which I found really
interesting. Did you?
Is that how you would explain? That's basically what the

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collapsing of the wavefunction would be.
So like you have that superposition when you say
they're doing their thing, like they're doing everything, the
the particles of the quantum physics are doing everything all
at once. They're all over the road,
they're everywhere. So when you have everything all
over the place, then you have basically you have everything

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happening everywhere, all at once.
But then when you do something to observe it, you're collapsing
all of those super potential possibilities into one
observable thing. And that puts reality in
literally the eyes of the beholder in every single person
that you're observing a different reality based on a
decision you're going to make ina split second from now

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different for them. When I will make him, I'm still
in your other reality. But all these potentials just go
all over the place, which is where all of those like concepts
of law, of attraction and all that kind of stuff go into play.
Because it's like what you are is what you attract.
And so if your mind is constantly on a certain thing,
like that's the way your future will end up going and you can
constantly keep on breaking downthat wave function and

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attracting those particular things to your life.
Like it's all kind of connected in the same sort of philosophies
which that whole what if thing again it this.
That's why the subject fascinates me so much, because
Law of Attraction can seem so whimsical and so woo woo.
But then when you hear that they're doing quantum physics
experiments that relate to it ina way it then it just like it

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just it makes you think of Oh myGod.
So if I focus too much on this one thing about the world or
myself, like that's what's pretty much going to show up.
I love this woman. She how she explains it.
I was talking to you earlier about her, but she basically
explains it with quantum mechanics.

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She says that how law of attraction works.
I wish I had a paper I had. I wish I had it written out.
But let's say that you were upset about something and you
stay in that state and this kindof goes back to like how you can
create your this is creating your own reality and attracting
whatever you want in your life. And so let's say you're upset
and you stay in that state of mind.

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You're just going to continue onthat line of reality and attract
those specific things to you. But let's say you, you have the
awareness to change out of that state and you levelled up to
like maybe gratefulness and you stayed on that track.
You are now in that reality. Does that makes sense?
I wish I had like a something written out, but it kind of just

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goes back. But then it had me mind blowing
because then I was thinking about the Mandela Effect.
I'm like, well, that's like these are very physical things.
This is not like state of mind, This is not emotion.
Right. So then it just like really blew
my mind and then I was like, I'mjust going to tell you like my
truck. And then I was thinking, OK,
let's say if Heath and I got an argument and we're in parallel

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realities all simultaneously happening at once, and then I
was like, no, this is what happened.
And then you say, no, this is what happened.
Is that not the truth? Yeah.
And The thing is that happens, it's this is what some of the
arguments would happen. What would I would hear about
these? A long time ago, before I I

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considered any of the stuff thatwe're talking about today.
In my previous line of work, youcould go and interview 10
different people from a scene, some sort of a crime scene or
something like that. You get 10 different stories,
100%, and you could do it instantaneously.
And as long as you get people away from each other, you don't
have one person's recollection imprinting memories on somebody
else's recollection. And then this person tells a

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story, this one hears it. That first story fills in the
gaps of the other person you know.
That's an explanation of kind ofwhat I've heard.
A lot of the naysayers about theMandela Effect who are trying to
explain it away is nothing more than just misremembering.
And and they're saying that like, oh, once one person said
something about Nelson Mandela, other people were like, yeah,
that sounds great. And the same thing with The

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Berenstain Bears and all these other ones.
But I'm like, no, there's there's some of these that I am
still super fired up about. And every time I see it on on
anything, I'm like, it was neverthat way.
I'm telling you right now, and. There's too many people.
There's too many people in the world that we're all remembering
the same thing. Exactly.
So that's the part that I can't understand right there is that.

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So if we're all remembering something a certain way, then
why are we all remembering all these different things the other
way? You know, it's not like it's one
or two. It's like when you go down the
list of some of the Mandela FX, there's there's a couple of them
that I actually say bullshit on.I'm like, Nah, I was never that
way. But there's other ones.
I'm kind of like, oh, I don't know, it could be that.
And then there's other ones where I'm like bullshit.

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Like C3PO from Star Wars did nothave a silver friggin leg.
He did not have a silver leg. Let's.
Pull these. Up.
Let's go to that one. Let's pull these.
Freaking yeah. Let's do it.
Let me Yeah, we're gonna dive into some of.
These other light went out. Yui just had another light go
out. Oh my God.

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OK guys, I have had every this is the 4th 1/4 one today in my
house and also in my collection of lights that I have.
They're all going out. It's so bizarre.
I don't know what's happening. And it happened.
Like that magnetic. You are.
You are like blowing fuses and I.
Have powers. Oh, now it's on.

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OK. Weird.
Yeah, that your batteries are dead.
One or the other. OK, So let me do, I'm gonna do
C3PO. All right.
So. Oh yeah.
This one's stupid. So on the screen, I if you look
at the C3PO, the one on the leftis what I remember.

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And I was born in 1980, so Star Wars was kind of coming up, but
it was a few years before I was even born on the first one.
But I mean like Star Wars was like the hottest movie of the
80s, you know, And some people never let that go.
I'm not a huge, like Star Wars, Star Trek kind of fan, but I
totally remember Star Wars. I had trading cards from back in
the 80s. I had some older relatives and
stuff that just gave me them allthe time.

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They'd come in little packs withbubble gum, and I used to
actually have like, coffee cans full of these things.
He did not have a silver fuckingleg, I'm telling you that right
now. He did not have a silver leg.
But now they're saying that one of his legs from the knee down
is silver. And I'm telling you, it was
never that way. Never Silver.
You know what would be so interesting is to talk to the

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director and be like, yo, yeah, tell us the truth.
And what would he remember? What if he was like, yeah, it
was gold. And then he looks at the movies
and they're fucking Silver. They're.
Not silver so, but true. So with some of these, I want to
approach them from a devil's advocate point of view, like I
do with everything. So even if I believe in
something, I still like to find the arguments to the contrary to

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make sure that I'm not wrong. So when I listen to the
arguments to the contrary, I canmake my own decision.
Instead of having confirmation bias, which too many of you
listening to this show right now, I guarantee you still do
this in this world. You do it with politics, you do
it with a whole bunch of other stuff that if somebody says
something and it's leaning towards the direction you're
already sort of defaulted to believe in, you will continue to

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believe in that. For me, as soon as I hear
something, I always go in the opposite direction.
Or even if if you sat here and argued with me that it was
always gold, I would say something like I'm going to
right now to prove to the other to the contrary.
OK, so OK, there was only three original movies from like the
70s and 80s. You had 1-2 and three and then

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it was just kind of over forever.
And then in the late 90s they had the one with like the
origins of Darth Vader and Hayden Christensen and stuff
like that. So in that series, those were
the prequels, Those were the three movies that were supposed
to happen before the three that happened in the 80s.
In that series, C3PO gets his leg damaged and that's where the
silver leg came into play. And then when they made those

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orig, when they made those prequels, they also re released
the original ones digitally enhanced and they actually added
in a scene with Han Solo and Jabba the Hutt big guy that was
never there. It's really cheesy CGI but it
was never originally in the original films and they added in
a whole bunch of stuff in those movies.

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They added in buildings, they added in animals like all CGI
that was done in the late 90s onthe original movies.
So the argument can be made thatwhen they made the prequels and
they had C3P OS leg get damaged in the prequels, then they
digitally enhanced the old movies so he would have a silver
leg to match those prequels. So I've heard that be the

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argument. But then you also have people
who have toys from the 70s now like they don't open their
package and stuff like that, that the toy still had a silver
leg. So it kind that kind of wrecks
that theory. But I actually haven't seen
those toys in first person. I haven't held on to one of
those, so that could be another one of those.
The Internet's just messing withyou, kind of thing where

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somebody's like, yeah, look, I got this original package from
1978 and his leg is silver. But I'm telling you right now,
my memory says it was never silver.
So anybody who does remember that or has proof of it, I'd
love to see it or hear it. Yeah, that's fascinating.
That's really fascinating. I just like think about like,
the physical option, the physical object of people

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opening up a package and he has a silver leg.
But it's just like so weird thinking that that could just
like be a different reality thatwe dipped into.
It's just like so mind blowing to me.
I can't even wrap my mind aroundit.
It's so weird. And any living moment.
And why? Why is it that we're now in this
reality? Like, let's say this is true.

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What if he did have a gold leg like like we all remember, and
now all of a sudden he has a silver leg in this reality, It's
so thick. What's the significance though?
You know, it's not like you stopped a historical figure from
dying, you know, It's not like some major change.
It is like the the, the couple of letters changed at the end of

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a of a cartoon kids novel, you know, or the the bottom half of
a fictional robot from a 1970s movie.
You know, like, what are the significances if these things
did change, like, what is it? And some of the theories I've
heard is that there's not significant enough.
It's that whole butterfly effectwhere it's that slight shift

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from one reality to another. It's nothing major and
impactful, but you always see things that happen in movies
where people like, go back in time and they change one little
thing and then the whole future is completely wrecked and they
got to go back and stop that onething, but then they change
something else, like the butterfly effect.
That movie with Ashton Kutcher, like that one's a mind fuck.
Like that's a really cool movie.But every time he went back to

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go change something, something else would be completely messed
up. And every time he did that, the
shift in the timelines that would happen, it would like,
make him hemorrhage in his brainand his, like, nose would start
bleeding. And yeah, it was like a really
messed up kind of movie. But it kind of explains like, is
that what That's the theories about like, what's happening
here? Well, and it's also quite it's

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crazy to think about too. Like for example, if we're if we
are actually operating on millions and millions, infinite
number of realities in this given moment and our creations
are based off of our emotion andthought at the time, what is it?
Just like how could we say that basically the person who created

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CPO didn't think or feel in thatmoment, in that reality that it
should be a silver leg and then in this reality it should be
golden. Like what if there's another
reality that it's a red leg? Right now, the one of the other
famous ones that was actually from Star Wars as well is the

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scene where, yeah, yeah, so Luke, I'm your father.
Like everybody remembers Darth Vader in that huge reveal says
Luke I'm your father. But in the movie, if you watch
it right now, he never actually says Luke I'm your father.
He says no, I'm your father. Like that one's kind of a

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mindfuck. But I also have an explanation
to that one. But so but you remember, no,
Luke, I'm your father. Totally existed.
Luke, Luke, I am your father. That was good.
I know. Can you do it?
Can you do the Luke in my I'm your father.
Yeah, you just, Luke, I am your father like it was, but it was

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like undeniable. It was like a pop culture thing
and we all say it into like the window fan and stuff like that.
But also that's where the pop culture interference theory
comes from. So do you remember the movie
Tommy Boy with Chris Farley? Yeah.
So there's a scene where he's sitting in his office, like his
parents had this company and he's in the office, and he's

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literally doing that into a fan where he's like, La La Luke, I
am your father. People, like, remember that
scene from the movie? So he's just kind of
paraphrasing what happened in the movies.
But then people do that same thing over and over again.
Little kids do it. We did it when we were growing
up, just being funny. And then when someone points out
the fact like, no, Luke, I'm your father was never really

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said we're like, oh wait a minute, no, I said it into the
fan all the time like the the guy in the comedy movie did, you
know? But that never actually really
happened. So I've heard that pop culture
sort of influence happening and that overrode our memories.
But I've heard a very interesting theory that kind of
disproves all that for us because a lot of us back in the
80s and stuff, when you're a young kid, you don't have a

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whole lot going on inside your brain, yet the whole the world
has not thrown a whole bunch of stuff at you.
Your mind is very impressionable.
It's very malleable. And you remember, I remember the
songs to lyrics to so many songsfrom like the 80s and from when
I was a kid and stuff like word for word songs that I don't hear
for 15 years. And if it comes on the radio, I

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literally can repeat it verbatimstill.
And movies too, but I do that now anyway.
So it's kind of different, like,but a lot of people have said
the same thing. Like your mind is able to take
all that information in and it like records it because it was
just some of the first stuff that you've ever seen.
And everybody swears to the factthat it's like, no, I don't

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remember it this way. I remember all these other
things this way. Why are these several particular
things incorrect in my memory? Like I would remember this kind
of thing and people who are likedie hard Star Wars fans like
stuff all over their rooms and their mom's basements and
whatever else. Like they got stuff all over the
place and they remember that movie line a certain way.

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I don't know. OK.
I like that theory, but that makes way more sense to me
because you're right, we're not,especially back then we didn't
have social media. We didn't have any problems, any
worries, like we are retaining so much information and that's
like that's those are the ages, like when we retain the most.
So yeah, I'm on board with that because let me tell you

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something, let's get, let's get into our other examples.
Because the Monopoly man, yeah, I remember him with a monocle.
Totally. Let me pull that one up.
We'll do that one, and then we'll just scroll up.
Just keep you pulling all these ones up one after another.
All right, So the one that most of us remember.

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We're all on this. Like Mandela Effect bandwagon,
where we remember. Luke, I'm your father.
We remember Baron Steen bears. Not Baron Steen bears.
We remember the C3PO leg and then all of us also remember the
monocle, like that the Monopoly man had a monocle.
And when I brought this up with my mom the other day, she's
like, I'm going to go home and check the board.

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I'm going to go check my game right now.
He had a monocle. I bet you if it's not on the
box, he has it on a certain cardthat's in the game and stuff.
I'm like, no, he never had a monocle.
And I remember her saying, though she's like, well, don't
believe everything you see in the Internet.
They can change stuff. I'm like, but they can't change
the box. Like they didn't sneak into your
house. Changed the box like he had a

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day of monocle, but they're saying he never did.
That one's crazy. That one's just bonkers, dude.
But I. Think I think we're all in
agreement, but then, but also with this, the Monopoly man,
people are like, well, I remember the peanut guy.
Had a. Monocle.
But how would we get a peanut guy in a fucking Monopoly game

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mixed up? Like, no.
So, well, because they both had a top hat, they both supposedly
had the monocle, and the Peanut guy was drawn very similarly to
the Monopoly guy. So that's another potential pop
culture reference overlay. Like, you got to be objective in
these things. Like, yeah, it's cool to want us
to like think these change, but for the sake of not sounding

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crazy and stupid, like, never. I will not be objective about
this. Just kidding, but I'll tell you
one right now. So I brought that I we were
talking about a whole bunch of these ones.
So one of the other ones I brought up recently to her was
the Snow White mirror mirror on the wall.
That one's messed up and I wish I had clips to bring those up

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real quick, but I'm gonna actually find it.
Why don't you describe it while I try and find it and I can see
if I can screen share it. Yeah, so basically the words
that we remember, all of us collective do not be objective,
Heath. This is fact.
It was mirror mirror on the wall, but apparently it's magic

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mirror on the wall. That's crazy.
It is not magic mirror on the wall, it's mirror mirror on the
wall. So that one makes me really
upset and I need you to be mad with me on this, Heath.
I totally agree on that one. I'm gonna share the screen here
on this one. Mirror mirror on the wall.

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That sounds OK. Now this is magic.
See. It says it right there.
Magic mirror on the wall. This is super loud on my end.
I don't know how loud it is on your end.
Let's see. She was.

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She's walking up to the mirror. And she doesn't say mirror,
mirror. Slave in the magic mirror come
from the farther space through wind.
And I've got the I've got the old VHS underneath this cabinet
up in front of me. If I had a I've still had a VHS
player. I could play it.

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But wouldst thou know my queen magic mirror on the?
Wall Oh, bullshit. There is one of all.
Yeah, bullshit, Right? Bullshit.
Bullshit. Magic mirror on the wall.
So if you watch the whole thing,she never actually says mirror

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mirror on the wall like that. Just, I don't know.
It just makes sense to me. It just I it was explained some
of these things like what's the relevance of them changing.
But it's undeniable that so manyof us had these memories that
these things were something elseand they changed.
And that's an old one too. No, that one's a really old one.
There's actually one that I was kind of uncertain about, but now

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the the more I think about it, I'm like, dude, that's like, I
like, I can envision it in my head.
All this 90s babies, we were allinto Britney Spears and there's
that that music video of, oops, I did it again and she was
wearing a headset. She was like, I can see it in my
head. I watched it a billion times.
Guess what? Apparently that's not true.

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She didn't wear 1/2. Fucking headset.
That's the first time I've heardthat one, OK.
Yeah, that one kind of upsets. So I got another one.
Remember Richard Simmons? Yeah, So describe to me how
Richard Simmons looked in every one of his, like, sweating to
the oldies videos. Like, how did he dress from head
to toe? Describe it.
Oh, do you? Remember what he looks like?

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I gotta bring it up. He had like, curly hair.
Yes. Hold on.
OK. I'll, I'll, I'll jump to the
case. The chase of, like, what they
say has changed. Like when you go and buy a
Richard Simmons outfit from likeHalloween central stores or
something like that, he's wearing a sweatband.
Like he always had a sweatband on around his forehead.

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If you watch his videos and noneof them is he ever wearing a
freaking sweatband. He had like, he had them around
his wrists and wicked short shorts.
Yeah. Blue shorts.
Yeah, I remember like blue shorts, but I'm sure that's not
all he wore. But yeah.
But he had like sweatbands on his wrist and he had it on a
headband. Totally.

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He never wore a damn headband. Like, yes he did and people
totally remember it that way. Like so many people remember
that he had a sweatband around his head all the time.
So that that's another one like it.
Just what is the relevance? Like it doesn't make sense.
It does it. It's like little stupid things
and we're just pissed off about.It Richard Simmons had a goddamn

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sweatband. Can I tell you one that I
thought was, oh, there's actually two that you should
bring up that I thought, really cool.
But this one's so funny to me, 'cause like I I don't have this
memory at all. But have you heard of the one
that's New Zealand's location? Yeah, so that one's kind of
wild. I don't know what to think about
that one. So the argument is that New
Zealand switched actual positions on the planet that it

(38:01):
was. Yeah, being northeast instead of
southeast. Yeah, and a lot of people
remember it being southeast of Australia, but that's on all
maps now. It's northeast of Australia.
So I don't know. I that was one where I was kind
of like. Oh, what about King Henry?
King Henry is a good one, but something major.
Switching positions, That's another one.

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Everyone remembers that in the human body, the heart's on the
left hand side. We put our right hand over our
heart for that reason. Whenever we're doing Pledge of
Allegiance, don't mess me up. Center to the body.
Central to the body is where it is on anatomical scales.
Now it's literally dead central in the body.
But all of us remember it being left side.
It is over the left side. Like if you watch every vampire

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movie, they're stabbing them over here, not in the middle
like it's on the left side. But they're saying that that's a
Mandela. Oh, see, I always knew it was in
the center. Yeah.
I always thought when I was younger, I'm like, it's really
weird that I put, why would I put my hand over here?
Yeah, so that one. See, I'm in this reality, guys.

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So what was it? What was?
It kind of fun, actually. I was asking people at the gym,
'cause I was like so curious about this.
So I'd ask specific people. And it's really interesting
because we're not all on board. There's there's many people that
do remember it that specific way, which is very interesting.
But do you have the photo for King the King Henry?
One, I do this one's Photoshop. So like a lot of these things, a

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lot of the ones that I'm bringing up where it shows what
people remember versus what it is.
Obviously the one that people remember is a Photoshop deal.
Like someone made it on the Internet to look like what we
were all describing because the Fruit of the Loom.
One's the bigot. Well, I'll bring that one up
because I'm like, that's dead. Oh my gosh, let's do this one
first. This King Henry one.
I've actually heard the same story from multiple people.

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And I remember I used to work inthe art world.
And I remember when we first started bringing this one up way
back then, that this one was onethat people were talking about
of the picture of King Henry. They remember him holding a
Turkey leg. And he was known for being like
a glutton in that, like The Simpsons would even like Homer
dressed up as King Henry eating a Turkey leg, making fun of him.

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And they say that he never was actually holding a Turkey leg.
In the famous painting. He's holding it a leather glove.
So when you guys are looking at the screen right now, the
picture on the right is the one that is collectively all here
right now. The one with him holding a
Turkey leg is not one that you'll ever find.
It's someone's photoshopped. So I don't know.
I don't know what the relevance is, but I've heard someone tell
the story about how they used tohave art history class and it

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was often before lunch and they'd look at the Turkey leg
and be like, damn, man, that Turkey leg looks good.
I am hungry. Why does that thing have to be
staring at me the whole day right now?
And they they clearly remember the Turkey, like, for many
different reasons, just like I did with the Berenstain Bears
thing. So I remember having those
debates and people remembered that one.
So I don't know what significance is.
It's just all of these are like that.
It's like the subtle tiny littlechange.

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It makes no sense. I know it makes no sense, so
bizarre. Also I thought was interesting
the Mona Lisa. I don't really know with this
one, but I still think it's. I find it interesting that like
this is a phenomena. Yeah, let me bring that.
One the Mona Lisa smile like. So you remember that phrase and
there's a movie called Mona LisaSmile.
Oh my gosh. OK, I get it now.

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So the one on the right is the one that exists right now.
She is plain faced, there's no smile in her eyes and she has no
smirk on her face. Like that is not what I
remember. I remember the one that's on the
left. It is a slight smile.
It's barely upward turned. It's almost like you have to
look at her whole face to see that she's smiling.

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And that's that was like one of the biggest art education things
about it was that Leonardo da Vinci was so intricate and and
detailed in some of the weird nuances of his paintings that,
you know, they say like certain symmetry brings out alien images
and all that kind of weird stuff.
But like when you looked at MonaLisa, if the breakdown sections
of her face in the left one, which is the one that I

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remember, you don't really tell that she's really smiling unless
you combine the smile with her eyes, because her eyes are sort
of smiling as well. The picture on the the right,
which is the one that's on display right now, they say like
that's the one that's always existed and she's totally not
smiling. She looks like she's just plain
faced, no smirk. So how does that look like a

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Mona Lisa? Point of Mona Lisa, right?
Is that you're like, is she smiling?
Is she not right? What's?
Yeah, this one is actually so crazy.
I the examples that I saw didn'tshow this, and this is insane.
This is probably the most insaneone to me.
We all remember her. It's called the Mona Lisa Smile.
The the the one that they're saying is legit.

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Now. There's no smirk in her face.
That's crazy. So did that just zoom it in on
your end? Like, does this look zoomed in
on your end? OK, so that's the one I
remember. Like, you can clearly see that
she has like a smile in her eyesand the mouth is somewhat
upturned. But then, like, you put this one
up and it just none, none. There's nothing there.

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There's there's no smile. There's no Mona Lisa smile.
So, like, this one is this one'sa huge one.
I'm like, that is one of the most recognizable, if not the
most recognizable piece of art in the entire history of
humanity. And that changed.
Like that's so weird. Although the one on the left
though, that's like, I mean, I'msure yeah, like you said,

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somebody photoshopped. That so.
That's a little bit too much of A smirk, because I can She looks
like she's smirking. Right.
But the one, the the original Mona Lisa that I remember, if
you looked at her, you would be like, you'd question like, is
there a smile, is there not like, but it always did kind of
look like it. That's what was so hypnotizing

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about the photos, 'cause you look, you could go back and
forth looking at it and not really understand if she was
smiling or. Not Yeah.
This is crazy. It is crazy.
The craziest one it is. I think that's one of the
wildest ones. What's?
What's another one you want to dive into?
Oh, Oh, well, you kind of oh the.
Fruit of the Loom one. Yeah, let me let me find that

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one real quick. So dumb.
Sorry. For those who are listening to
the audio only version, you should go watch the video
version you should you should gowatch it.
So the argument with the Fruit of the Loom one is that the

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label always had never the labelnever had a cornucopia behind
all the fruit. And I'm like, no, I'm just to
buy this stuff as a kid. I remember my parents would buy
me that as a kid and it totally always had it.
So it's like, why do some of us remember the cornucopia like
that one is that one just blows my mind.

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So the one on the left, if you can see the screen, the one on
the left with the cornucopia is what I remember.
I don't know what you remember. Yeah, you remember that?
No. I remember the cornucopia.
OK, yeah. But The thing is, so I've heard
this one. I've saw this one talked about
recently too on a video. So, you know, like I said
before, like it. It's not like some of us
remember, like a huge, overwhelming majority remember a
lot of these things all a certain way.

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We remember the golden leg. We remember Luke, I'm your
father. We remember Berenstain Bears.
We remember this one too. And this one was a great example
because people are like, well, that's the cornucopia that I
remember. Like somebody drew this and
Photoshopped it in, but it's notlike I remember one.
But it didn't quite look like that.
Like, no, that's what I remember.

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The one that's on the screen right now is the one that I
remember. It looked, that is the logo.
That's what it looked like. So it's not like it's a
variation of a cornucopia that maybe was similar to what I
remember. I'm like, no, that's the label.
That's what it looked like. Yeah, that one's insane to me.
Like that one on the right that they're saying is the legit.
That doesn't even make sense. No, it doesn't.

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It needs the cornucopia, I'm telling you right now.
So that's another one. Looney Tunes was another one.
I'll fight that. One is I will fight somebody on
this. Oh, the Looney Tunes one is
interesting. I can go back and forth on that
actually. So what is the one if you wanna
if you wanna tell people what that one is while I'm trying to

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find it. Yeah, so basically the majority
of us remember Looney Tunes as T0 0NS where they're saying it's
Looney Tunes as TUNES, which doesn't really make sense
because that show isn't even about music.
Like tunes T0 0NS makes more sense.

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But yeah, that one's really bizarre I guess.
Like looking at it, I can go back and forth, but I think I do
remember T0 0N. S Yeah, like, here it is right
here. I remember it as as Looney
Tunes, like T0 0NS. And that also makes sense
because a cartoon is spelled CART0 0NS.

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The tunes, like the tunes would be like music.
That doesn't make any sense. Like, it doesn't.
Not only does it not look right,it doesn't make sense.
So I don't know about that one either.
In the Fruit Loops. The Fruit Loops one is similar
to that. Like it's.
I'll pull that one up, too. There's these things are just,
there's so many of them. Yeah.

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So the one that we remember is the actual Fruit Loops cereal
being the OS of Loops, yeah. But I guess in the real version
or whatever now Fruit is Also where you and I would be is also
the Fruit Loops cereal. Yeah.

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I don't remember. I mean, I can go back and forth
on that one. Too.
I could too, but it just doesn't.
I don't know the FROOT, just I don't know.
It just doesn't look right to me.
It doesn't look right. I I remember the left as well,
like the just the regular fruit and then loops with the two
cereals. Yeah.
Again, the significance though, it's like, what the freak Does

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it even matter? Like these things changed, but
there's so many little ones too.Like I there's just some that
are popping in my head. But like Kit Kats, there's this
argument that the Kit Kat had a hyphen in the middle.
Like, I remember the hyphen, butthe I guess that never existed
either. Yeah, but if you look it up now,
it never had a hyphen. So I don't know.
Yeah, that that one's really interesting.

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A lot of people also about Curious George like.
That one all. Of us remember him having.
Yes. We all remember him with the
tail. Apparently he doesn't have a
tail. He's a freaking monkey.
Why would he not have a tail? His tail got him into trouble.
His tail always got him into trouble.
Like it would it would like he, I don't know, it would like get
him into trouble. I just can't think of any of the
examples of the stories. But he had 100% had a tail.

(48:44):
So there's actually a movie, I think it's like a Netflix movie
or something, and it's called The Mandela Effect, and it
starts off with this guy on the beach with his daughter and
she's dragging a monkey around. It was a Curious George doll by
the tail. So and she ends up dying.
And I remember the movie was really heavy for me.
We never finished it. But it's basically that goes

(49:07):
along the lines of some of the stories that have come up to
where people have claims like woke up in an apartment and
they're they're living in a place they don't recognize, but
all the belongings in. There's pictures of them with
people in the apartment and everything else, but the day
before they had a wife, a familyand a job, and they're not
actually in that life anymore. So they have like a completely

(49:28):
different life. Or vice versa.
Like, they've woken up and it's like, there's my wife, there's
my kids, and there's pictures ofus all over the place.
How the hell did I get here? Like, they just have this memory
of a previous life and none of it existed.
And now they have this new reality and people make them out
to be crazy. Like think about if that
happened to you and you had to like explain to people like
dude, no, I was like a Co host on a podcast that had all this

(49:50):
stuff going on and like, no, this is not the life that I have
and the people. Like what the hell are you
talking about Alexis? Like you lost your damn mind
dude, it'd be wild. What?
Yeah. That would be so wild.
That would also be so wild. Have you ever felt anything like
that, Like even like a glimpse or?
I don't know. I'm trying to like think back if
I've ever felt like it kind of makes me want to like reflect

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and be like is there any moment?Well, I guess there are moments
where I feel like I've repeat like deja vu.
Yeah, there's moments where I'm like I have done this before.
Yeah. Which is interesting.
Also to bring into the whole quantum mechanics like because
if past is if the past, is the past already written?

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Like if we've already taken action on specific things and
lived life, like, is that actually real or does that
disappear because it's all happening at once?
Right, so there's. Things I've been thinking about.
So there's actually a deja vu Mandela Effect explanation.
Like they think like not only that, but it also melds together

(50:57):
with quantum physics. So like when you talk about that
many worlds interpretation, every single one of those
things, if you just picture likean infinite branch of all those
different choices, they lead outlike tree roots would, and they
just go in all these different intersections of every choice
that you make. They say that deja vu is a
collapsing of some of those branches of several different
realities coming back together at another intersection.

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So there was this inevitable point of where things came back
together. And I remember, I don't know if
I said this on the recording so far today, but like, this whole
season has been about, like, thewhat ifs.
Well, that comes from the movie The Time Machine.
It's it's a movie from like the early 2000s.
I don't know if you ever saw that one, but it wasn't like
big. And a lot of people thought it
was cheesy. There's a lot of movies that are

(51:39):
out there. They get horrible ratings.
And I thought they were good movies.
That was one of them. It was like, remember how his
his girlfriend died and he was ascientist?
And it was back in like the 1915era, like everything was steam
powered stuff. He literally made like a steam
powered, crystal designed time machine.
And he goes back, He spends like10 years trying to make it.

(52:01):
He makes it, he goes back. Total spoiler alert on this
movie, if you haven't seen it, Iwon't wreck the whole thing.
But he goes back in time and he stops his girlfriend from dying
in that moment. And he like basically she says
something about like I want flowers and he leaves her at the
site. He's like, OK, I'll get you
flowers. Like, he's all lovestruck and
he's like, you know, grieving over her for a decade.

(52:22):
So he goes back in time, he saves her and he leaves her
standing there. And something happens where,
like a horse and carriage runs off the road and runs her over
and he watches her die again. And he keeps on going back in
time and she keeps on dying. And he basically encounters like
a karmic paradox, like, she's supposed to die.
Something has to happen because she's supposed to die.
And later in the movie, he kind of discovers that that has to

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happen for him to make The Time Machine for something else
significant to happen with that machine later on, like it was a
part of karma that needed to happen for him to fill a
purpose. So it's like they say that deja
vu might be that it's a reconvergence of timeline.
So you're almost like intersecting with other versions
of yourself. So you're all like, I don't
know, it's like the intersectionof those things I've heard to

(53:07):
explain that way. I actually.
Love that. That makes sense.
It makes a. Lot of sense.
It makes sense in a freaking crazy way, but the the
explanation they give about it is the deja vu of a Mandela
Effect is a phenomenon involvingconsistent false memories that
emerged with the growth of the Internet.

(53:27):
Increasingly popular hypothesis that our reality is a simulated
augmentation suggests that the past, present, and future exist
simultaneously in parallel universes and that they
intersect in those moments. So.
I believe that. Yeah.
I do. I I I yeah.
It just makes sense. In that movie, it's crazy cause

(53:49):
at the end of it, when it comes to like it's climax, the person
that he's encountering says likeyou are plagued by that, that
never ending unanswerable question.
What if and I just remember thatsaying and it's like, yeah, it's
like that that what if of my life would what if I made the
decision this way or what if I make the decision right now that

(54:12):
will shift my life like that. What if is always something
that's always echoed in my mind?Like, I love that question.
It also gives us like a lot morepower in our life.
Like it. I feel like a lot of times we
feel like we don't have a choice.
But if you think about your lifein the way of so many different
realities taking place and that we're in charge like that just

(54:33):
gives you so much more power to,like, choose your reality.
Absolutely. I've just been thinking about
that a lot lately. I think about like my state of
mind or if I get stuck in like aspiral or whatever.
I just think like, man, like whatever happens next is because
of whatever state of mind I'm in.
And I have complete control of the reality based on my emotion

(54:54):
and my thoughts. And that's it.
Just like every time I've read about the Mandela Effect, it
just brings me back to that, that power of choice.
I love that and I love that. What if?
Because ultimately. Yeah, we have the power to
choose. Yeah.
Sorry. The the, the, what was one of

(55:15):
the things I was going to say about that whole thing?
So you know, when you have the power of of choice and the power
to choose, like you have to think about that and taking your
power back. And that's that's like, I guess
what fascinates me about this whole entire thing because like
there's no choice that is deterministic.
Like your life is not meant to be in a certain way and certain
fate. And I feel like at a certain
point in my life I was very likeatheist because I felt like God

(55:38):
had failed me at a few crucial intersections and like put me on
these crash collisions with nasty things that were to happen
in my life. And I remember I actually wore a
cross around my neck. And one of these bad things
happened to me. And it was a cross that actually
me and a friend of mine who he died when I was a senior in high
school in a car crash. And we bought them at the beach
together at the same time. And I always wore it.

(56:00):
And he was actually buried with his.
So I had mine. And I remember something
significant happened. I felt like God failed me.
I ripped it off and I've never actually worn it again.
But that one decision, his death, led to me becoming a
police officer. And it was a significant thing
because he died in a drunk driving crash.
So I like, vowed to, like, do stuff that was going to prevent

(56:21):
that stuff from happening. It was hugely traumatic for me.
So then I get into that line of work, and then this significant
time that I was going through actually prevented me from
moving forward in that career, which then created a whole
division of these crazy branchesof life that led to all these
great things afterwards. So what I thought of at that
moment in time, that was this disastrous thing that sort of

(56:43):
like God doesn't love me. And I ripped off that thing
that's sort of in that those moments too.
It sort of, like turned me atheist in a way, which then led
to me thinking that life was deterministic, Things were
supposed to happen. Fate was a certain way.
Like, this is a fate and there'sno escaping it.
But then as time went on, I saw that the purpose behind that led

(57:06):
to these other fantastic things.So what I thought of the was the
worst thing in that moment led me to a branch of life that
like, Oh my God, I would have missed out on that if that bad
thing didn't happen. And it started to make me
believe a little bit more in like divine intervention and
purpose that the higher creationthat created all this stuff, all
these messes we're talking abouttoday.
Like the divine creation has a place, it wants to put us.

(57:30):
And no matter how much we think,we want that design to look like
it's gonna happen in the way that it's designed to happen for
us. And we have to go through
certain roads and paths in life to end up there.
And no matter how much it might hurt or suck, it has the control
more than we do. So we have to relinquish that
control. So as those, like deterministic
intersections of life happen, certain things happen down the

(57:52):
road from then. That brought me back to having
actually a deeper connection with the all guy.
I don't like using the word guy because it's too dogmatic.
But yeah, that's like sort of like my my journey and where
like a lot of these conversations kind of bring me
there too. Because it's like, yeah, these
weird choices and intersections in life, the weird nudge that
comes in in and intersects with us sends us on a whole different

(58:12):
trajectory. And that leads to who knows
what. Wow.
That's deep, deep, some deep stuff, but let's get back to
what we were talking about, unless you want to jump on that.
So there was one that I honestly, I can't, I can't

(58:35):
remember one way or another. It was the JFK thing.
And which is weird, because the JFK assassination was the first
conspiracy theory that I remember diving on when the
movie JFK came out in like the early 90s and sort of started to
open up everybody's minds for like the the assassination did
not happen. The way the Warren Commission
report came out and it got everybody to start looking at

(58:56):
that whole conspiracy deeper. I don't remember the thing about
the limo at all. No, I don't either.
I'm gonna bring up the picture of that one.
You have it. Yeah, where?
Is it? And I thought I would recognize
this one better, too, because I've looked at this a million
times. I've seen, like, I've actually
had like, a computer simulation of the whole 3D thing You could,

(59:18):
like, spin around every minute of the JFK assassination.
Someone put it into a computer program.
So you'd like, create a 3D environment.
Yeah, I actually like. I've hit.
Yeah, it's pretty nuts. I don't remember the limo being
a four seater or a six seater. I just remember Connelly being
there and I thought his wife waswith him.

(59:40):
So in the picture that I'm zooming in on right now, it
shows the presidential limo as afour seater.
It basically has a front seat and a back seat.
But the the past that we all remember is it's a limo with
three rows of seats. And Connelly and his wife were
sitting right in front of JFK and Jackie O.
So I don't know I this this one I'm on the fence about, but the

(01:00:02):
fact that I can't remember kind of bugs me about it.
Yeah, that one's really weird. I mean, you obviously have like
much more experience diving intothe JFK assassination than I do.
But I I also don't remember it that way.
I just this one's really. Yeah, this is another one I can
go back and forth on because I feel like I can start believing

(01:00:23):
it once I see that the photo that it is now, I don't know.
Yeah, it's a weird one. It is a weird one.
So any other ones that you want to dive on?
I know that's what I'm looking up right now, 'cause I feel like
there was one that I was like this one.
This one's bullshit. Hold on, Oh, the Pikachu.

(01:00:44):
Pikachu was another one. Oh freaking Pikachu.
Freaking Pikachu. That one I'll look up.
Describe that one while I'm looking that one up.
OK, so we all remember Pikachu having a partially black tail at
the tip of his tail. It is black.
Apparently it is not black. All.
Yellow. And that one makes me mad

(01:01:05):
because we all know he dude. Come on.
Like he had a black freaking tail.
I'd remember the black tail. It doesn't even look right with.
Without the black tail, it doesn't look right at all.
All right, here it is, totally doesn't look right.
Without the black tail, it it just doesn't look this.
It doesn't look complete. It looks like it's missing
something, but that's the one that always existed.

(01:01:30):
The brown base of his tail like I don't remember any.
Why would he even have Brown? The shadow is that like his
shadow? I think that's.
Pikachu. It's supposed to be a shadow, I
think. Like it's like the underside of
his arms. And like right at the base.
Yeah. Oh, the brown.
Yeah, I don't remember that either.
The stem of his tail being brown.
Yeah. No, that's not right.
That's not. Right.

(01:01:51):
That's not right. So dumb.
So I don't know, like what is the explanation behind these?
I don't know. Some people have actually had
the two different, so two different actually physics ones.
So if we're gonna get into like the whole timeline has changed.
The two biggest ones that I've heard explanations on is that
the world actually did end in a certain timeline in 2012 with

(01:02:13):
the Mayan calendar. Like they're saying that ended
and we are a continuation of a timeline that split off from it
and we're a different one from there.
I don't understand that one. I've heard it explained a
million times and I still I don't, I don't get it, so I
can't really prescribe to it. The other one is, So there was a

(01:02:33):
timeline split with the, oh, it's the Hadron Collider.
So the Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland and France that does
all the quantum physics experiments, basically creating
miniature black holes. And you're smashing subatomic
particles together and you're really messing with like the
basic fundamentals of like, whatquantum physics is.

(01:02:56):
I've heard that one is a likely culprit in what might have
caused a timeline divergent. So I don't know man, I can't
explain it. That's really interesting.
Yeah. I can't.
I don't know. OK, so the Mandela Effect
started. I'd be curious about this.
Did it start in 2013 when he apparently died?

(01:03:20):
Or were people seeing, seeing these things prior to his death?
And then once that happened, they were like, we're just going
to name it the Mandela Effect. I don't know.
I don't know that one's it was. It's really strange.
It basically it was noticed years later, like people's first
started to notice things with the Mandela Effect and he when
he died, that was when they first discovered the like, wait

(01:03:42):
a minute, he died. I thought he already died.
Bob Barker was another one. The host of Price Is Right.
I remember when he died, I thinkit was like last year when he
died. It was recently in the last
couple years. I'm like, wait a minute, didn't
he die already? Like that was another Mandela
that people said, like, no, Bob already died years ago and
people remember him dying just recently.
So I don't know, man. I don't have explanations for

(01:04:04):
it. It's like it's one of those
things that bogs my mind and I love talking about it and
getting it out there, but I liketo hear what people's what their
their thoughts and impressions are and hearing like what they
might actually have as a hypothesis and why this stuff's
going on. I have like AI have a theory.
It's kind of it's kind of crazy,actually.
Drop it on me. Well, I kind of wonder, well,

(01:04:29):
the reason that I asked originally, why or when did
people start seeing these different how long has this
phenomena been going on is because, I wonder, with the
extraterrestrials coming in and kind of coming in slowly so
people can be less afraid and get used to it.

(01:04:49):
I wonder if they're also sharingdifferent parts of the universe
with us. And maybe this glitch is one of
those ways for us to start thinking in a different way.
It's an interesting thought. Just a thought.
So I just while you were saying that I looked up when the first

(01:05:10):
time that Mandela defect was coined, the term was actually
coined. And it was by a paranormal
researcher named Fiona Broome, who started it in 2009 after
being convinced that Nelson Mandela had died in prison in
the 80s. And then he died four years
later after leaving South Africa.
So it was actually before he died.

(01:05:32):
So that was that's an interesting one.
Yeah, that is really interesting.
I don't know, but if anybody hasany ideas, any thoughts, any
theories, send it our. Way, definitely.
I'll put a link in the show notes if you've got one.
If you have any theories, I will.
I will put them up. I will.
I will probably do a social media post on the whole thing as
well. But if you have any theories on

(01:05:53):
how this actually came to be, I'm totally fascinated and
interested so and there's there's so many more.
Bing Crosby I'll be home for Christmas.
That was the one I just this. That's actually what spurred me
to have these conversations mostrecently which led to me talking
to you about it and you're like,dude, we got a new episode but
I'll be home for Christmas. You can, yeah.

(01:06:15):
And he never said that. It was.
You can plan on me. That's.
Stupid. It's But.
But the weird one with that one is there are versions.
There's only like one or two versions from certain people.
I think the Carpenter's version of that song says you can count
on me. So was it always plan?
And then we heard it mainstream in one version, but like Elvis's

(01:06:37):
version, Bing Crosby, like all these other people, it was
always plan. But on the Carpenter's version,
you can still hear it as count. So I don't know about that one,
but Yep, I think I think we've hammered this one home pretty
well. I don't have a definitive answer
for anybody, but it's an interesting concept and an
interesting subject to that could have so many different

(01:06:58):
explanations. And I don't know any other ones
you want to cover before we jumpoff.
I know, I feel like we went through all the really good
ones, but anybody that's curiousabout it, you could just
research Mandela effects on Google and you can look at
there's a ton of them and they're all stupid.
They're all. Stupid.
They're all just like, so yeah, there's nothing huge.

(01:07:21):
Although what if there is and wehaven't found it yet?
Yeah. There is a big one.
It's true. It could be something huge that
shifted and we don't even know it.
Everything before today could bea programmed thought in the
simulation, and none of it actually existed.
You know, it's kind of wild, no?This this doesn't exist.
This is not even this is going to be different when it it

(01:07:42):
published. All right, Alexis.
This has been a good one. Thanks for participating in and
suggesting we do this one, because I was like, that's a
little more complicated and I don't know enough, but honestly,
who knows anything about this? None of us know the answer.
We have our theories or whatever.
Could be just nothing but misremembering and a bunch of us
being dumbasses. Or it could be somebody going

(01:08:04):
back in time and stepping on a grasshopper and that leads to
Pikachu's tail being a differentcolor and whatever else.
I don't know. That's right.
Glitch in the matrix. All right, we'll see you next
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