Ep. 132: Do No Harm (Take No Shit!)

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When you change. The way you look at things.
The. Things you look at change.
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The question every day Are you living part killing time?

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I'm only hearing what can I say guys.
I want to start this episode offwith actually a quick clip that
helped inspire this entire episode by Jordan Peterson, one
of my favorite modern philosophers, psychologists,
always dropping Nuggets of knowledge, and this one was one
of my favorite ones. Part of spiritual development is
to recognize the Satanic tendencies that characterize you

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and to fully wrestle with them and to and to integrate them.
That's the thing. It's it's not so much to cast
them away, it's to transmute them, you know?
And you can see the difference between people who've done that
and people who haven't, at leastto some degree.
Because people who haven't integrated the shadow at all are
naive. And you can tell that when you

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look at them, and you can tell that when you talk to them.
And because they're naive, they're often resentful as well,
because they get taken advantageof.
And someone who's integrated that more, they're dangerous in
in the martial arts sort of way,which is they're dangerous, but
they don't have to be. They don't have to use it
because their presence radiates implicit potential for havoc.

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And that's really necessary. It's one of the things that
gives people self respect. Definitely one of my favorite
clips and this is a a very well known one from Mr. Peterson who
has been a victim of cancel culture this year for some of
his free thinking thoughts and that just put hits him at the
top of my list of favorites. If cancel culture is trying to

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go after him, he's definitely ontop of my list.
But you can't cancel that guy with me.
And you know, I got to say that his work is amazing.
And this clip is relevant today because I want to discuss this
conundrum that many of us in thespiritual community find
themselves in from time to time.And when I talk about the
spiritual community, I mean, I feel like it's it's those who I

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guess in a modern sense feel like they're part of the
awakened masses, right. You know, I don't like to use
the warm woke. I I think that's getting a
little too pop culture ish. And it's ideology is somewhat
being hijacked into something that I feel is quite divisive
now. So I don't align with, you know,
woke culture because in all honesty I feel like if something
is they are either silencing people or creating division

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amongst the people I am not aligned with.
It never will be. So you know, I wouldn't refer to
the people who are in that realmof of the spiritually awakened
just as the awakened you know. And even that in and of itself
can sound a little bit self-righteous to a certain
extent. But I'm referring to those out
there in the world who are tapping into themselves in a
much higher echelon of existence.

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I'm basically referring to thosepeople who are separating
themselves from the the day-to-day zombie of the world
that can be out there today. And unfortunately that is a
majority of the masses that are currently out there in this
world. I I'm trying not to be

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derogatory at all in that sense.You know, I'm not doing a very
good job of it either. I feel so of that myself.
But I'm referring to the people who are serving the system.
When I talk about the zombies, you know, they they stare at
their phones all day long and they're they're serving a system
that truly only serves some of the people at the very top.
And there's a large demographic of us who see the entire thing.

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We see the machine for what it is.
But despite there being so much awakening consciousness content
out there, there are so many people who choose to live in
unawareness. They choose that blue pill like
in the Matrix analogy and they're going to be blissfully,
you know, painfully unaware I guess, of what might be really

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happening in this world. And I'm not just speaking to
just the awakened here, either. I'm speaking to those specific
people who are not aware of the world around them.
And in the hopes that this podcast and many like it are the
alarm bell that that wakes them up.
Because there are people who areblindly following the, you know,
quote UN quote, leaders of this world down horrific paths and a

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lot of moral corruption. And these people are steering
the masses right over the Cliff in a way from their divinity.
In my own personal perspective of what I'm seeing in the world
and I am talking about everything, if it's shoved in
your face, it's it's most likelymanufactured from those specific
people. I'm talking about whether it's
you know the availability of mind altering drugs now and

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alcohol and you know the the poisonous food that we eat and
the all the stuff that we consumed.
As far as content goes, all of it is there to to keep us dumb,
glum, numb to everything about the world and who we really are
at our course and what we shouldbe inwardly searching for, I
think. And that stuff is there to keep

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us distracted, you know? But instead the whole
distractions and the dumb down thing, I feel like it is
something that we're actually shaking the shackles of.
And it's, I think it's there to basically thwart our ambition
because ambition now is apparently toxic.
And, you know, from certain things that I've seen out there,
you know, and it's that we shouldn't be ambitious and we

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shouldn't want to stand up for ourselves, which is exactly what
this episode is all about today.You know, And I see these
conflicts in people who are enlightened and they get accused
of not being such just because they may still have those
moments where they are fighting against this status quo that is
one that is left to, I guess, leave us in a little bit of a

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disarray and in shambles. And, you know, and and they're
doing the opposite of the peoplewho just lock in step and they
just follow the orders and they just stay in line for the sake
of, you know, not appealing, appearing whimsical.
And I'm talking about some of the spiritual community who just
doesn't believe in any form of conflict because anything like
conflict or even being sort of defensively offensive or, you

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know, even being considered boisterous, I guess, is
blasphemy in the spiritual community.
And I say that's rubbish to a certain extent.
I say it's rubbish. There's a demographic of people
out there in this world who are really the Awakened Observers,
You know, they're they're tryingto guide many others to their
own power, potential and purposeand get that power, potential

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and purpose for my man Chris Princeton Clark.
If you guys that don't know who he is, go look him up.
I've been on the podcast quite afew times, but that power,
potential, and purpose is something that once you find it,
it's almost like you become an unstoppable force.
You are able to be the one of the ones who pushes their way
through the crowd of zombies to move toward your dreams, and you
become less reliant on that matrix of a world that's around

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you. And unfortunately, when you
become one of those people, you have to physically push your way
through the crowd of zombies andyou have to inflict a little bit
of force. And sometimes that comes with a
bit of conflict and you know, this small but growing group of
people, I would say we are the observers of not only our own
behavior, but all of those people who are around us as

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well. And and not more of a judgmental
sense. But it, you know, in my own
sense, it's from a pure place offascination and trying to learn
and hoping to maybe judge my ownbehavior, but also inspire other
people when I can see them doingsomething that I wouldn't
perceive as acting in, I guess, their highest potential.
You know, you know, we're all inour continuing growth paths.

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We grow more and more every single day and those of us who
are aware of that are out there trying to encourage other people
to do the same. And, you know, a lot of us want
to see each other reach our highest potential in this
lifetime. Because I feel like collectively
we are just at this critical juncture in the history of
humanity. And I feel like we've we've

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maybe had some stops and starts along the way with all the new
stuff that's getting discovered about our human history.
I feel like we've been at these pinnacles in the past when we're
led to believe by mainstream academia that we are just now
reaching our pinnacle from caveman days, and there's so
much evidence out there to that proves otherwise.
It's overwhelming at this point that there were many

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civilizations as many of them are likely more advanced than
us, that were here before us. And if what happened to them,
You know, if we're at a criticaljuncture at this point in our
history, we need to take advantage of this.
You know, if we're hitting this pinnacle, we need to do
everything we can to accelerate and move away from whatever has
destroyed these places, these these civilizations of the past,

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whether it was made by their ownhands or something natural.
It's to be debated. But I feel like so much has been
lost. And I know of stories throughout
the past of how even not just grand civilizations but just
empires have fallen because of their vanity.
And I feel like if we shed that,you know, this world can
continue to move at an amazing pace.
If we just eliminate some of thehang ups that tend to be out

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there in this world today and webecome that dominant force as
one cohesive unit. Instead of this division that we
see in the world right now. There's there's it's almost a
little too easy to become that dominant force if you think
about it because there's 8 billion of us and maybe a couple
hundred of them who are trying to manipulate the world to keep
us where we are. It shouldn't be that hard.

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But for some reason it is. You know, we I guess I call like
to call them the spiritual warriors.
But we've somehow been lumped into this sort of like peace
love and rainbows flower power children of of days gone by.
And to the contrary, like, I feel like we are far from that
dynamic. You know, this, this spiritual

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warrior demographic who had weather so many storms lately
from believing in stuff that wasjust called woo woo.
And you know, until science actually proved a lot of the woo
woo stuff, right. You know, and it was accepted
fact Finally, when a whole bunchof people jumped on board or
weathering the storm of the lastfew years of propaganda, you
know, being called conspiracy theorists rather than what they

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really are critical thinkers. And a lot of those critical
thinkers have been right above alot of those things that have
were called some conspiracy theories to begin with.
You know the but it came to you know, the origins of the virus
or certain medical treatments oreven like all the way up to
UFOs. Now those are typically the same
people who are so open minded that they didn't trust what was

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on the surface because it just didn't sit right with them.
The evidence didn't line up and they were just told to believe
something just because someone in an official capacity was
telling them to believe it. And here we are, we're having
this 80 year old lie about UFOs and all these other things that
have happened over the last three or four years.
So many of them turning out to be complete fabrications and

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straight up lies to the public. I mean all the way up to what
are the grandest ones of the JFKassassination.
You know, we're starting to findout that the CIA was indeed
involved in that. They had certain Oswald was one
of their assets. A whole bunch of stuff is coming
out. So it's just these people that
are the awakened ones. They've had to weather a barrage
of so much stuff, so many attacks on their personal

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beliefs for the sake of their spirituality and their religion
and all their other protected freedoms, and they've had to be
anything but passive and whimsical through all of that
kind of stuff. Unlike the flower power of
people who were very passive. They they didn't want to have
any conflict and that hasn't been an option.
You know, it's been a legit fight.
So, you know, despite the ferociousness that it took to

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survive the last few years, thisexpectation is out there,
though, that if you consider yourself spiritual, you're some
sort of a passive Buddhist monk who's going to sit there and
take abuse at the hands of anyone and anything for the sake
of remaining passive. You know, the passivity is is
like some sort of badge of honor, like you're supposed to
wear it and it's the expectation.

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And I'm here to say right up front, it's not.
And if that's your expectations,stay tuned to all of this, But
stay tuned to this episode because it's going to be a show.
You know what? I'm bringing this subject to you
today as it stems from the comments section of a social
media post that I made a little bit a little while ago, a few
months ago, And now at this point, where someone, in my

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opinion, was very rude, they were very rude to me about my
physical appearance in a pretty condescending way.
And to be honest, I'm pretty sick of it.
Not only toward me, but toward anyone, you know, in my response
toward that crappy comment sparked a little bit of debate
between someone who was a dedicated listener.
Not sure if she still is anymoreor not, but, you know, I hope

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she is, so she can hear my perspective about this whole
thing. Because just as in this
challenge, like all other challenges, I found the value in
the uncomfortableness of it all.I found the value in sort of the
pain, the reflection of of the entire situation once I Monday
morning quarterback to my own, my own actions.

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You know, the uncomfortableness was was something that like most
uncomfortableness in your life, it it, it tends to help you grow
in some sort of way. And, you know, and in that
particular listener's opinion, in this situation, my response
to the crappy comment about my physical appearance, quote, UN
quote, completely wiped out everything she thought about me.

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Which over the course of 130 episodes that she said she had
listened to, You know, it fired me up like that.
Really, really fired me up, I think more than the original
comment actually did. You know enough for me to have
to sit with that situation for quite a bit and digest it for
for a while before I actually spoke about it.
But as I sat with it, I actuallydid have different levels of

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response. I respond, observed, maybe I
observed the observer about the entire situation in my cave of
of sort of self-awareness, like sinking into this thing and and
playing it all back in my head. But what I said, why I said it
and everything. And I, you know, I tried to view
the perspectives of that shitty person who left the comment as

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well. Why did they do it?
You know, where might they have been coming from?
You know, as well as the person who was the former listener?
Like, how did I look in her eyes?
You know, how did my response look and how how is that going
to actually really affect her opinion going forward?
Is she just not like a certain thing that I said some other
time and is taking it out on me?For this one thing, it seemed

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like a, a minor, minor thing to actually cut someone off that
happens to be one of your podcast, like your favorite ones
that you listen to all the time.It was kind of strange, you
know, After all the the that self reflection is so important.
It's one of the most important skills I think any of us can
develop. And you know when you're, when
you're aware of it, you learn from it and you wake up the next

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day completely different person every single day you open your
eyes, you have the benefit of being a completely different
person than you were the day before.
You've had a whole day's worth of information that you
downloaded and had to process and you just evolve every day
when you wake up. And that version of me and every
day ever since was a completely different version that got to
basically have the privilege of waking up and evaluating this

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among many other things. And and I think to me that's the
paramount of self-awareness thatis this sort of the the you're
hitting, you're hitting towards the top of it.
You know, after seeing that whole that whole thing from many
different perspectives and afterthe dust settles I think and
your ego chills the F out too. You get to see it from as many
angles as you can when you can do something like that.

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So after doing so, I've got a few different perspectives.
Rather than just standing strongon that one and saying I'm right
and you're wrong and you know, the one that my ego might lead
me to emphasize, I unpacked it. But before I dive in and I
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So this whole situation is someone pretty much cutting me
out because of one simple thing they didn't like.
As you know, I guess is what I'mseeing is part of a larger
conundrum of the world, you know, society lately.
Just because someone doesn't like one single thing that they
either hear about someone or something doesn't match part of

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their views, just one small little part.
They cut them out completely. And it's insane to me.
I guess I just have a little bitmore consideration and loyalty
towards people. I give them a little bit more
rope. Everybody has a bad day and you
actually can have many views similar to mine, but not all of
them. And I'm just, it's been a
strange thing where I've seen somany people cut each other out

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over just differences and views,especially politics.
Politics is so manipulated, guys.
I'm in politics. I'm an elected politician.
I I'm pretty much one part mayorof my town and politics is so
manufactured, so to different people over politics is just so
foreign to me. It's insane.
But I've had friends do this. I'll actually, I'll rephrase

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that. I've I've had loosely affiliated
acquaintances because my true friends would never do something
like that. But I've had people tell me that
they were going to no longer follow what I do anymore because
of something I said or somethingthey didn't like or, you know,
something that was against theirbeliefs.
I guess something maybe that challenged their beliefs.
Actually one particular circumstance, I just said
something that challenged their belief system and wanting all

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sorts of proof and references and everything else.
I'm like, I can show it all to you, but I'll show you a few.
But you got to, you got to, you know, do some of your own
research. And that was like, well, I'm not
going to do my research. You convince me and if you
can't, I'm going to cut you off And all this other stuff,
insane. I've heard it a million times
over. The cognitive dissonance kicks
in for some people and it reallyshort circuits their brains.

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It's amazing to watch it happen.And I've seen some, some
clinical studies on that kind ofstuff because of the hard wired
views that they have. And whenever something as far as
new information comes in, you have to have sort of a brain
that can flow. And it's not really hard wired
which some people are due to certain upbrings and things that
have happened in their life. Their brains are not as sort of

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neuroplastic as many of the other people are and they cannot
change their view on something as easily.
And because of that, they becomeso entrenched in it.
The more entrenched they become,the harder it is for them to
change their view. You know, their fuses get blown
and they can't rewire those neural pathways.
And the only way they can rearrange things is divert that
energy into anger. And sometimes people are the

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target of it, like myself. And then next thing you know
they're saying I'm not going to follow you anymore.
So, you know, naturally when this has happened, a part of me
says to bad, so sad. Thanks for coming.
Have a nice life. And then there's the other part
of me that. It starts the morning morning.
Quarterback myself and my actions is that whole form of
self-awareness. And this tends to happen when we

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become cognizant of the way thatwe interact with the world
through not only our our desire to not just understand the whole
situation or the world, but to improve, you know, our overall
performance in this life and ourinteractions with people and the
experience of this life. You know, to make positive
impacts with people rather than just exert ego gratification in

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every single circumstance you find yourself in.
It's not fulfilling. It's fulfilling in the moment,
but ultimately it's not as fulfilling when you can take the
the the alternate Rd. Sometimes it takes days or weeks
or months to to do this introspection.
Like, it's not easy at first, but as you get more advanced and
you practice it more and you experience a lot more things
that that make you do that. Sometimes it gets within minutes

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and and and seconds of the situation you're going through.
And instead of having to retrospect and and do all that
stuff later, you're actually doing it before you have your
emotional responses and you vocalize them.
And when you do that, you know your patterns of behavior
completely change your your vocabulary, does your responses
to people, and eventually your entire life shifts around it.

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It's an amazing, amazing series of events that happens and I had
some books that I've read and people describe that this sort
of stuff starts to happen. But it's amazing how it took a
long time for me, especially a very knee jerk reaction,
emotional kind of person, but being able to finally start to
see it happening, govern my responses.
It's an amazing, amazing thing and it's something I try to

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embody every single day. You know, I go into every single
day with a mission. You know what's most important?
You know, go in and out of and in, you know, every situation
that you can have in the day, trying to make a positive impact
when you cross paths with people, stuff like that.
But you know, I know this stuff really well, but like I've said
many, many times, there's a hugedifference between knowing

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something and putting it in practice.
And I call it information integration.
I'm still a huge beginner on this stuff.
Maybe, maybe intermediary at this point.
You know intermediate phase. But by no means am I advanced in
this in the story that inspired today's episode.
So let me paint an accurate picture of this thing I keep

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alluding to but how it transpired everything went down.
So Simply put, this person looked at me like I did have it
all together like I have you know, I've learned everything
and I'm sitting here claiming tobe the the top person to guide
you in in your life and you're going to do everything by my
example and be spiritually enlightened and I was like no,

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by far no. I am just a student of the craft
who is very enthusiastic about it, has made some very big leaps
and strides over a very short amount of time and by no means
am IA master. I just like to talk about the
place that I am at and hope thatI can get people to my level as
quick as possible and watch themsurpass me, get up that mountain

(28:36):
faster than me and turn around and give me your hand and teach
me something. And I feel like we're going to
do that all together the more wecome together in these kinds of
concepts. So that's why I'm here, not
because I'm some sort of an expert.
So Simply put, I put a video of the amazing downfall and rebirth
of Scott Stapp, who is the lead singer of the band Creed, who I

(28:58):
had the pleasure of seeing perform twice last summer.
The whole experience really spoke to me.
I was never really a massive Creed fan back in the day.
I liked him, but the music to mewas so much more relevant now
and I I sort of dove into his story too, which is what made it
more relevant to me. His story just having a huge
alcohol problem and it just fellfrom grace and has turned

(29:19):
everything around in his life isreally clean and man, the guy
just looks and sounds amazing. For a guy who's 50 years old,
it's just so inspiring. So I made this video on TikTok
and pretty long one, you know, Iwas, I was amazed by the whole
thing and and all these wonderful comments about Scott
staff and creates music and the difference it made in people's
lives. Everybody's just commenting.
It got 50 + 1000 views, thousands and thousands of

(29:42):
likes. I don't know, hundreds of
comments and this one person decides that they're going to
jump on and comment and ask if I'm wearing makeup on my eyes.
And on the surface, this might not seem like a big deal to you,
but the comment was made becauseI have a skin condition called
vitiligo around my eyes now. I'm I'm like a Sicilian guy,

(30:05):
like I'm very I get very tan in the summertime and it becomes
very pronounced. It's if you don't know what it
is, it's a very, it's a a autoimmune disease that it can
spread and it basically takes away the pigment of your skin.
And it showed up for me after the second case of cancer that I
had in 2010. So it's, you know, it's
basically a lack of pigment. Like you basically become like

(30:27):
albino in a way in certain areasof your body.
And mine happens to be right around my eyes.
So in the summer months, my skingets really, really dark.
And then you have this really dark sort of line where the
pigment starts to disappear. And then that really bright skin
is very sensitive to the sun andcan get burned really easy.
So at the time I filmed that Scott Stapp thing, I had a

(30:49):
decent tan going and my eyes looked pretty pink.
And the guy referred to that, like thinking that I'm wearing
pink makeup around my eyes. But even if I was, what kind of
question is that to ask? Like in society there's there's
a lot of this, but, you know, men wear makeup sometimes or
whatever. Like it.
It was nothing but a jab. And it, you know, it was, it was
kind of clear that I wasn't wearing makeup.

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So I. Lost my patience.
And I've been putting up with these comments for years.
You know, when the hair started getting really thin and I
started getting a bit of muscle mass and and weight that was
getting put on because of some medications and hormones I was
on. I always had so many comments.
People were making comments about my eyes.
They'd say something about the hair.
They make comments about my bodyjust over and over and over, you

(31:35):
know, And like, I'm supposed to be a tough guy.
Like, it's not supposed to bother me at all, but for so
many years it just every time someone said something about it,
it just reminded me of that condition that I was facing and
how I got there. And it brought me back to some
of the darker places of trying to fight the whole the cancer
battle. So ultimately I've had enough.

(31:57):
And so after years of dealing with this and a lot of
insensitive body shaming comments, I'd had enough and I
started letting people have it. And this person wasn't going to
be any special exception. He wasn't going to get away with
it and was the focus of my retaliation.
So I filmed a response and I will play this right now.

(32:18):
Yeah. So no.
I I don't wear makeup. And thanks for completely
disregarding the video you commented on and making this
comment right here. No, what you saw was a sunburn
on my vitiligo. You can see it pretty bad during
the summer, and it's pretty easyto get a sunburn.
It's basically albinoism. It's an autoimmune disease that
developed about 12 years ago after my second fight with

(32:38):
cancer. And you know, for the most part,
I forget that I have it until some asshole points it out.
So thanks for being that guy. And honestly?
It was a side jab. This whole thing from this guy
was nothing but a side jab from a troll on the Internet.
And introspection, sort of retrospection.
I should have just ignored it, to be honest.
One of the best pieces of adviceI ever got from a friend who's a

(33:01):
fairly big influencer, is one ofthe most brilliant minds I've
ever met in my entire life. Basically said, don't read the
comments. Whatever you do, don't read the
comments because it's not going to do you any good.
And I didn't listen to that advice.
And, you know, the comment really bothered me.

(33:21):
So there was my response that, you know, I'm only human.
Like I said in the beginning, what can I say?
And also, I'm pretty, I'm prettyover being anyone's doormat.
You know, I've done it for so long.
I was a respectful person who tried not to use my loud voice
and my quick wit in my larger physical appearance to
intimidate anybody. Because I I've been told many
times that I've made people nervous.

(33:42):
And the way that I debate people, it's it's an
intimidating presence. So I've made a very conscious
effort to mellow that out. Try I guess shrink myself down a
little bit so as to not intimidate people as as much as
I apparently was, and open the lines of communication.
So I could really get people's honest feedback and have them
not just be intimidated and havethat kind of be their response.

(34:04):
But in return I got all this this bullshit like this stuff is
what I've been dealing with along the entire way.
I've had to deal with people making comments.
You know, I first shaved my hairoff and everything and it just,
I'm tired of that. I'm also, my wife had gone
through a lot of stuff and it was, it was a tough thing to see
when she went through all of it.And you know, it was like you

(34:26):
know what you guys fuck you like, you don't have the right
to to say anything about anybody's appearance.
You don't know what people are going through and you should
keep your comments to yourself. And this was the peak of that.
So yeah, ultimately why this whole thing is relevant is
because that certain listener that I spoke of basically
decided she was going to call meout on my alleged hypocrisy.

(34:49):
And that the message that I preach with the podcast and
reading The Power of Now, that Iread in season one and this book
Oneness, that we're reading right now on the podcast and and
quote, UN quote everything I've ever done is all completely
erased in her eyes. Because I let this guy trigger
me and I posted a video responsethat I posted just basically
calling this guy. You know, you're I forget about

(35:12):
this thing that I have until some asshole like you reminds
me. So thanks for being that guy.
It's that. Well, I honestly, in my opinion,
Monday morning quarterbacking it.
I still don't think it's that big of a deal.
But the reaction from that listener really triggered me
even worse than than the commentby Mr. Makeup like it was it was
something where I'm like, come on, am I supposed to just sit

(35:33):
here and be the world's doormat?You know, am I, am I supposed to
take what's said to me and neverreturn it, you know?
And granted, I didn't listen to that great advice, you know, but
I like to read the comments, youknow, because 99% of them,
they're amazing and they're positive and there's just 1%.
That's stupid shit. And you just got to move on past
that. And, you know, like I, it was my

(35:53):
only opportunity, I guess, that I've had recently to really
stand up for something like thatbecause I've kind of decided
this a while. Back when my wife went through
something similar, then I was like, you know what?
I'm, I'm not going to deal with this anymore.
And this was the first time thatthis came up since then.
So, but, you know, it was a way for me to show on a larger scale
to those sort of people who perceive themselves as having to

(36:18):
be completely passive. If you're considering yourself
to be spiritually awakened, spiritually aware, whatever we
can and do and should have our moments where we stand up for
ourselves and we clap back. And we show that we are the
warriors, still deep on the inside and that we will fight
feverishly for the things that we feel like we have to defend

(36:41):
no matter what. That is, I'm one completely for
justice, given my background. Justice is one of the cardinal
virtues. Was this justice?
I mean, in the moment, I guess it was.
But, you know, the guy actually did eat his words.
He apologized for it after the fact.
So I think without that, I don'tthink he would have had that,
that introspection of what he said.

(37:03):
You know, it was a learning moment for him and I think a
learning moment for anyone else who's watching on so many
different levels. But honestly?
Was it really justice, You know?Is there ever really justice,
you know, to get in an Internet spout with a Neanderthal?
Who's out there in the whole interwebs, you know, Who cares?
Yeah, honestly, if if history were filled with the with

(37:25):
victory stories of of battling with the Internet troll, then
then. I don't know this.
Will be a much different place. Like, no one ever has a massive
success story about a verbal spat with someone from the
Internet. You know, on the flip side, if
history were filled with storiesabout people who just let the
bullies get away with their unjust actions, then where would

(37:47):
we be then, you know, no American Revolution, no Civil
Rights Act here in the United States, no equal rights for
women. You know, sometimes you just
have to say enough's enough for whatever your cause is and you
have to draw, create a boundary and draw a line in the sand.
And, you know, even even taking the teachings of Jesus, like
that's what a lot of people refer back to when they they
talk about, you know, the passivity of of not engaging

(38:09):
with people. You know, when he he said turn
the other cheek, it didn't mean be passive.
I've seen these interpretations of this and I completely vibe
with it. It doesn't mean run away from
the situation. It mean it didn't mean let it
go. It didn't mean hammer back
either. I said turn the other cheek,
that you stand your ground, thatyou're turning the other cheek

(38:32):
as almost to say I'm not going anywhere.
You know, what you did won't be tolerated.
And I'm going to show you that. I'm going to put myself right
back in that spot where you did what you did.
And I'm going to show you that you won't do it twice because if
you do, there's going to be consequences.
I'm going to show you my other cheek.
And I dare you to do it again. You stood your ground.
And you know, meeting injustice with injustice isn't always

(38:55):
going to work. You know, Gandhi had one of my
favorite sayings. I have it written down here.
So it's an eye for an eye and the whole world will go blind.
And I love that one because it'sit perfect in this situation,
acting as. A balanced response to someone
like that constantly is not the way the world's going to get
solved either. But acting as a mirror toward

(39:17):
them and show them that ugly reflection is likely, in my
opinion, one of the best approaches I think you can have.
This guy didn't like my response, obviously, and he knew
that it wasn't makeup. You know, I have an
uncontrollable scar on my face that I have to wear my entire
life, and it reminds me of what I went through and I sometimes

(39:38):
really would like to forget. And you're that one asshole that
had to make the comment to remind me of it.
You and everyone else has ever done it.
So I didn't sit there and insulthim.
You know, maybe the listener took that of, you know, maybe
just calling the person an asshole, Me.
That was just enough of an insult to them, but I sit there
and throw shade at them and lookat their profile picture and
make negative comments about their life or anything.

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It was just a line in the sand. And it's one that I think
everybody should metaphorically draw as well.
Maybe nothing similar to this, but in your own way that's
unique to your life situations. But I've noticed over the last
few years how comfortable peopleare at insulting each other.
You know how quickly they will trash other people and throw
them away for something they disagree with them with, you

(40:21):
know, and how certain demographics of people are.
Just ready to cancel each other.Like it's it's specific groups.
And it's amazing to me because I've never seen anything like it
in the world. You know, right.
The first sign of controversy, something that's not even that
big of a deal, people will run out of them without a fair
trial, you know, without the right to debate it even.

(40:42):
You know, the court of public opinion is just an extremely
harsh and unfair place, and it'sone of the worst places to be
judged. But ultimately, those of us who
stepped into the spaces that I've chose to step into, that we
find ourselves in, this is what happens.
I guess it comes with the territory, unfortunately.
And you know, you're you're going to likely come into the

(41:06):
crosshairs of all kinds of people.
So if you let every single one of those people get to you, then
it's going to be a long and unrewarding road and you might
not be in, you know, the right place for you if I guess, if
that's how you're going to treatyour entire career experience
out there in the world of reaching out to people.

(41:26):
But on the flip side, this is quite an adjustment for me.
You know, you, you have to give yourself space and grace and I'm
doing that with myself. You have to grow into these
different roles and these mindsets, and it takes a long
time. That information integration,
you can know it all day long, but to actually integrate that
knowledge into your life, that'strue wisdom.

(41:48):
You know, nine times. Out of 10, I think with
everything that's ever gone on in my life, you know, I'll tell
you to to stand up for yourself.I'll tell you that there's many.
Times where I did take a lot of abuse from people and a lot of
people that I guess I could havehad retaliation toward.
I chose not to. You know it's I sat there and I

(42:09):
just I I turned the other cheek in the in the the extreme sense
where I I turn and walked away and there's some virtue behind
that but there's also virtue in standing your ground and you
know when the time came where I met a big enough I had a big
enough belief or something that I felt like it was serious
enough to stand up for. I did.

(42:29):
You know it was in the police world that I had.
I mean I had to file lawsuits atage 23 to stand up some some
really bad people and and takingpeople down politically.
And it was, it was a pretty nasty situation.
But in the end, it was tough when I was going through it.
But in the end I was very, very gratified to not only win but

(42:49):
see the bad people get removed from places that we're going to
allow them to continue victimizing people.
And I guess that's the ultimate goal, is that you see someone
who has that tendency when you pop the bully in the nose and
metaphorically they're not goingto come after you and they're
going to think twice. I think back to the like the
Christmas Story movie where he'sgoing to, you know, shoot your
eye out with ABB gun. And they just had a second one

(43:12):
come out years later, just came out like 2023.
And the bully that he beats up in the movie turns out to be a
cop. And he talks about how it saved
his whole life the day that Ralphie jumped on him and
started beating the crap out of him.
And he actually ends up, I don'twant to ruin the movie for
anybody, but he ends up back in Ralphie's awareness in life.
And it's a it's a pretty cool little intersection.

(43:33):
I've seen the movie and you're into that that movie and you're
looking at the. You may be looking for the
second part of it. It's it's a pretty easy movie.
It's definitely not as good as the first, but it's a good one.
So you know there's value in having to stand up for yourself
and reserving it for when it's necessary.
You know to know the difference between when to fight and when
not to. So I suggest you stand your

(43:55):
ground for what you believe in. You know, stand up for something
and stop worrying if everyone isgoing to like you in the
aftermath. Because guess what?
No matter how hard you try, no matter how good you look, there
are people who are not going to like you no matter what, No
matter how many lives you touch,no matter what you've done,
there are going to be people outthere who will turn their back
on you and try to shut you down to the first sign of trouble.

(44:16):
So people, a fickle like that. There's nothing more I can
really say about it. So whatever that line in the
sand is for you, draw it and stand strong and be ready to
defend it. Because if you don't, people
will walk all over you and pretty much everything that you
value in your heart of hearts. And I'm not saying go out and
pick a fight by any means. I'm not even saying that you

(44:38):
should clap back at every singleperson.
It says the dumbest thing or tiny little comment on the
Internet. It's something you don't like.
I'm just saying walk away when you can, but when you're called
to create that boundary, do it. Don't do the eye for an eye
thing, but be the best mirror that you possibly can to show
them maybe how much assholes they're being themselves and

(45:00):
leave yourself on higher ground after it's all said and done.
One of my favorite sayings in pop culture was one that was by
the one and only Mike Tyson. I'm not a fan of that guy, by
his character, but he has sprouted into a very interesting
person in his later years, he said.
Social media has made you all way too comfortable with
disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for

(45:22):
it. It is true, not that I condoned
being violent and doing anythingclose to Mike Tyson Ish, but
people are a little more leery of saying something to you in
person. And it seems like they just have
this unlimited courage via the Internet, the keyboard warriors.
And they're they're more apt to insult people in in life in
general than I think they have been in the past.

(45:42):
So, you know, and also so I guess I I'd like to say let's
play devil's advocate a little bit, you know, because I love
dissecting human behavior. And on the flip side of this
situation, it showed me as well that I had a lot to learn.
And that only came about after this listener called me out.
You know, why did I feel like I had actually defend a comment

(46:03):
about someone who said I look like I was wearing makeup?
You know, why? Was that my line in the sand?
Was it really about the makeup or was it about the sort of body
shaming stuff that I had put up with?
So you know, it. I think when I when I unpacked
it, for the most part it was thecomments Over a long period of
time that's built up to this like intolerant level of I don't

(46:23):
take the body comments from anybody and I hate when people
do it to each other, you know, But it just struck a nerve, just
right see And I felt like in themoment that I should stand
behind it and that I should not only defend myself from those
insensitive comments but show other people they can do it too.
So, you know, I I think in this sense it was inappropriate

(46:44):
level. But there are so many different
ways in so many different uniquesituations.
Like you, you can't, you can't really say that there's a
certain line in the sand in general that you need to draw.
It's all individual, you know, but whether it's you know, the
the body shaming comments that'sand stuff similar to that.
When someone's putting anybody down, they're saying things to

(47:06):
put other people on a level below them.
You know, whether it's about uncontrolled weight gain or
vitiligo or weight loss or anything that affects your body
image. People via the Internet just are
ready to take other people down because they're down in their
lives. And I think one of the best
responses, other then maybe being that mirror, because that
can become somewhat confrontational, which is going

(47:28):
to lower the vibe of everybody involved.
You say something back that can only leave the person reflecting
in their behavior and what they said because like I said, it's
likely an insult. It's supposed to be a nonchalant
1 so they don't look like a complete ass.
But the the comments are most likely there to do some damage
and when you do something like you wish them well afterwards,

(47:50):
throws A curveball at people like that.
And I think that can have just as big if not a bigger impact
than that. My wife does that all the time.
She will return people's bullshit with, you know, someone
flips her off in traffic and she'll just wave and say have a
nice day. Like not even condescending,
like she will legit do that withpeople.
And it's hilarious. I love it, but I say that some

(48:13):
people some. People will resonate.
With and it will deliver the message and some people the
insult works better. I don't know.
People are just people are different.
The people are strange human beings are unique and and crazy.
And you know, I'm just here watching the show guys.
I'm one of the most unique and crazy ones out of all of them.
So you know, sitting there and and watching this whole thing

(48:35):
develop it, it just reminded me,I've had this this mindset
lately a lot too. One of the previous episodes
that I did right around the sameexact time that this whole thing
went down. I think this whole incident
might have been part of the inspiration for that episode
too. But it was Know Your worth
because it was just the feeling of being taken advantage of by

(48:56):
so many people and just letting it happen to a breaking point.
And you know, sometimes the the lion has to show the Jackals
who's boss. And that one comes from this
clip that I'm going to play right now from Christopher
Walken. I don't know exactly what movie
this was from, but this is one of my favorite clips that
inspired this episode as well asthe episode that I did.

(49:19):
I know your words. He's the king of the jungle.
Huge man out there. He's laying down under a tree in
the middle of Africa. He's so big, he's so hot he
doesn't want to move. Now the little lion comes.

(49:39):
They start messing with them, biting his tail, biting his
ears. He doesn't do anything.
The lioness. She starts messing with him,
coming over him, making trouble.Still nothing.
Now the other animals, they notice this and I start to move

(50:00):
in. The jackals, Hyenas could,
barking at him, laughing at him.They nip his toes and eat the
food that's in his domain. They do this and they get closer
and closer from Boulder on Boulder until one day.

(50:21):
That lion gets up. And tears the shit out of
everybody. Runs like the wind, eats
everything in his path, because every once in a while the lion
has to show the jackals who he is.
Love that clip. Absolutely love that one.

(50:47):
Now of course. Sitting with this entire thing
for the last few weeks, you know, I started to think to
myself, if I'm supposed to be this persona that everybody
knows on this podcast and it's full of inspiration, sees me do
all the things that I've done with suicide prevention and
cancer outreach and, you know, leading my community and stuff
like that. If I'm out there calling people

(51:07):
assholes, it's not the greatest look.
It really isn't, you know? And I've.
I've got to realize that I'm a person who's out there inspiring
people and influencing people atall times.
And if we're running around responding to each other by
calling each other assholes on the smallest little things, it's
going to get things a little bitmore negative.
So there's my My bit of self reflection though is that you

(51:28):
know, these different layers of unpacking it, and it just
depends on if I put myself in the emotional state of the the,
you know, before, during and after it it I can basically see
how each level of response can bubble up in a person.
But you know, I try to live every day with you.
Sort of a feverish reverence forthe privilege of being alive.

(51:50):
And part of that privilege is being in the role that I'm in
and having the ability to influence so many different
people, every person that I comeacross, and being a leader in so
many different areas. You know you have to approach
the world. If you're trying to see it to be
positive and you want everythingin this world to develop in a
positive way, you are what you attract.

(52:11):
So if you're going out there andyou're not out there with that
exact mindset, you're going to attract more of that stuff.
And it's such a conundrum that some of us find ourselves in
when we start to have this spiritual awakening because we
want to be this person who inspires each other and tries to
foster self respect and respect of others by drawing a line in

(52:32):
the sand. But where's the balance?
Where's the balance When you're trying to just do nothing but
observe the positive in this world, it's not always perfect.
You have to have the polarities.And that's what I want most
people to understand. You know, in the Caballion, I
I'm a big follower of the the Cabal and the Caballion and the
Hermetic Principles. Everything is based on polarity.

(52:52):
Everything is based on a swing to the left is equal to the
swing to the right. Energy and vibration and all of
that stuff basically swirls around that duality of of the
world, the new universe around you.
You have to have those swings. You have to have the swings of
the times where you're trying toget out there and be positive,
and you've got these swings where you might not just be the

(53:14):
most positive person ever. It's the expectation out of you.
And you can tighten up that bandas you're going through.
There could be these big swings and then you start to tighten
them up. But that's how everybody
develops when they talk about raising their vibration.
I see that as a visual representation of it is you know
those waves of oscillation that you see of things operating in
Hertz. You know I was a radar operator

(53:35):
and stuff like that. So I'm used to like what the
sound and you're going through that train.
They teach you what Doppler is in long range and short range
and how these waves go up and down and all these different
Hertz. And it's like, as I've learned a
lot of these spiritual concepts,I compute some of this
information through that lens because it's not that much
different if frequency and vibration, which is exactly what
a radar would be, Frequency of vibration all the way down to

(53:57):
the base level of the universe. They've discovered that the
smallest particles in the universe emerge from an
oscillating field of energy, andthat's it.
The smallest particles that spring into existence down at
the very baseline of creation comes from a field of vibration.
When that field is excited enough, the particles emerge.
So if that vibration, that wholetalk about law of attraction and

(54:22):
you know, you track to what you are and you know your vibe
creates your tribe and all thosewhimsical things that people
like to say, there's some truth to it rooted in actual
scientific experimentation and stuff.
So, you know, we have to be out there on a constant basis trying
to shift our energy and the sortof energy we put out there in
the world, you know. But I guess ultimately, if

(54:42):
you're trying to influence the world, what is it?
What's your goal? You know?
What ultimately are you trying to prove?
Is it your ego that's representing the situation or
the highest good of the actions of your reaction?
Police are going to do what they're going to do, you know,
until they find out that there'ssomeone there that's going to
stand up and and fight back. And sometimes we have to fight

(55:04):
back and sometimes we have to bethere trying to move forward for
peace, having the. Ability.
To fight back is one of the biggest shows of strength.
Having the ability and not doingso is probably one of the
biggest virtues I think anybody can develop, you know, only
using it when it's necessary is that action.

(55:27):
You know that that strength in action and not the action
itself. I think the biggest strength
comes with having the ability and not doing anything with it
until it's necessary. You know that saying of I'd
rather be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war?
It's perfect. In this instance, what I'm
talking about, you know, know it's in you if it's needed and

(55:48):
hope that you get to just walk in that garden at all times.
You never have to use it. You don't find yourself in that
war, adopt the mindset of do no harm, but take no shit.
This is one of my favorite clipsthat I will close out with.
This one is from my favorite modern philosopher who faced
cancel culture that I featured at the beginning of the episode
Mr., Jordan Peterson, and he's going to talk about the

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difference between being harmless and being a monster.
If you're harmless, you're not virtuous.
You're just harmless. You're like a rabbit.
Rabbit isn't virtuous, it's justit just can't do anything except
get eaten. It's not virtuous.
If you're a monster and you don't act monstrously, then

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you're virtuous, but you also have to be a monster.
Well, you see this all the time.Harry Potter's like that too.
It's like he's he's flawed. He's hurt, he's got evil in him.
He can talk to snakes, man. He breaks rules all the time,
all the time. He's not obedient at all.
But you know, he has a good reason for breaking the rules.
And if he couldn't break the rules, him and his little clique

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of rule breaking, You know, troublemakers, if they didn't
break the rules, they wouldn't attain the highest goal.
So it's very peculiar, but it's a very, very, very, very common
mythological notion. You know the hero.
Has to be. The hero has to be a monster,
but a controlled monster. Batman is like that, you know?

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I mean it's it's everywhere. It's it's the story you always
hear. If you're going to be a fighter,
you have to want to win and you have to want to hurt people.
I mean, not for the sake of hurting them.
That's what makes you different than an evil person.
But you have to have that capacity.
You have to develop that. And you know, that's the step on
the way to enlightenment, weirdly enough, because that
isn't what people think. Having that capacity to inflict

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a defense but choosing not to isprobably one of the biggest
parts of the path to enlightenment in my opinion.
For everybody on wisdom, thank you for listening.
And at this time, I'd like to welcome anybody up on stage.
If you want to tap the mic and tell me your opinion on this
episode, what I've been talking about, if you want to jump up
here and have a couple minutes chat, if it's good, I will

(57:59):
include it in the episode. So if you're going to come up
here and it's even if it's. I want to judge it as good or
bad. So if it's relevant to the
episode is what I'll say, and I feel like it's going to fit in
there, then I will feature at the end of the episode.
But I would love to have anybodycome up and tell me, you know
what your opinion is on this. Because there's some strong
opinions of people who find these kind of subjects

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fascinating. And it's a unique place to find
yourself in where you feel like you've you've got to be somewhat
passive for the sake of remaining positive and spiritual
in this world. But then not being the doormat
to anybody. Because you got to be out there
to sort of set the pace and and show people what it means, that

(58:43):
what mutual respect means. Because sometimes they aren't
smart enough to figure it out ontheir own.
So if anybody would like to jumpup here, I would love to have
someone. So I got one person waiting.
Angelina Frost, Hi. Angelina, how are you?
Hey. Good.
Thank you. Thank.
You for holding so. What is your opinion?
On this one, as far as I don't know how much of the episode you

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were able to catch, but what is your opinion on this one?
I got. I tuned in right before you
brought on Morgan. No, no, no.
Peterson. Oh, OK.
Yeah. Yeah.
You were talking about? Respect before I came up and

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it's that is a naturally occurring thing.
When? Self respect is in the house and
that is that's a different thingthan arrogance or this urge or

(59:50):
this impulse to exert dominance.Right.
It's a different. Thing because it's born out of
like the journey of especially in this culture, the journey of
developing self respect when ourrespect for ourselves is.
Kind of eroded. Away through our acculturation

(01:00:15):
experience. And I'm speaking very much
about, like, how things are for us in our culture, because.
We live in a in. A very authoritarian kind of
culture, so that natural self respect that we're all kind of
born with is something that we ultimately end up sacrificing on

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the altar of culture? Absolutely.
So do you do you learn more towards my response?
So I don't know if you caught the point of of what I was
saying. I I responded to a comment on
social media that somebody was commenting on stuff.
I've I've been through cancer a few times.
They were commenting on something that was part of my

(01:00:58):
physical appearance and I had had enough of it.
So I commented and a listener responded and basically said
she's very disappointed and pretty much everything I've ever
done has been completely wiped out by my response of just
recording a video and doing a video response to this listener
or the the guy on social media and just called him an asshole

(01:01:19):
in the process. Like, thanks a lot.
And you know, I forget about my condition until it's an asshole.
Like he brings it up. So thanks for being that guy.
And the listener basically said I'm done listening to you.
You're not who I thought I was. And that was the standpoint that
she left it at. And it left me I think even more
upset than, you know, the insensitive comments.
It was like, wow, that's something that small can really

(01:01:40):
turn you off. And do you feel like those in
the spiritual community can havethat kind of response?
Or do you feel like she was kindof right?
Like, you know, yeah, it's that wasn't probably the highest Rd.
that you could have taken. Well, I mean whether.
Or not. It was the highest Rd. you could
have taken for her to have been so quick to dismiss you in in

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her, you know. High Road kind.
Of high, you know, if that's herbeing spiritual, then she's got
some more stuff to learn that she couldn't have, like looked
at the other person and been like, wow, how could you be so

(01:02:23):
that way to somebody who's clearly been through a whole
bunch of stuff and overcome all this, you know, stuff because
it's not like you were. Yeah, I I would have tended to
probably asked her a little bit more about, like, where are you
coming from, sister? Did you not hear the whole thing

(01:02:45):
in its context? Like it's almost like she
decontextualized your your standing up for yourself.
Yeah. And not.
Just oh, it cuts you. Off.
I think it must have a time frame.
Let me, I'm going to. Tap back on this and see if this
lets you back in. I'm not sure who it's going to

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let in. It is OK, I'll let you back in.
Angelina. Sorry about that, the time.
Limit is at 5 minutes, so I got to keep an eye on it for you,
but you got another five, so yeah.
No, and you can. You can change that in your
settings. I have to.

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It's been a while since I've been on Wisdom.
I haven't done an episode on here in a real long time, so
it's completely different now. Yeah, well, I first.
Of all, I wanted to come up justand say like, I appreciate your
voice. I haven't seen you in here
before. I've been.
I've been with wisdom since maybe six months in.
So the beginning of 2021 is whenI found my way into this

(01:03:47):
community. And so I just appreciate your
voice. I appreciate your contribution.
I've really appreciated everything that I've heard you
say so far and and and so the point that I was getting ready
to make is that you weren't justtaking a stand for yourself,
though. Like you were really kind of
taking a stand toward all the people who are getting kind of

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dissed, who have whatever kind of challenges, you know, or
disabilities or whatever, who get dissed by the, by the people
who think that it's cool to be abully publicly.
Right. That's like.
And I would have. Probably done the same thing
you. Know like and and.

(01:04:35):
This isn't to say, like, I don'teven know if that would actually
be the right thing. I just probably would have done
the same thing. Because that to just roll over
to somebody who's being publiclylike a bully isn't.

(01:04:57):
Yeah, it's. It's.
Interesting though. I I was listening to Coyle
Harris this morning on the his 5minutes of something.
He does something every single morning at 8:00 Pacific Time.
It's like 5 minutes of focus. And if you go back and listen to

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that, it was this morning he wastalking about trolls.
And he was talking. About.
How? Social media platforms will
often like kind of almost shadowban you and or deny you a

(01:05:40):
certain kind of status or or visibility in the platform.
If you demonstrate. That you that you don't deal
with trolls well. I would believe it.
Yeah. And I've never.
Really thought about that, you know, and somebody who is an

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aspiring creator, who hasn't really like engaged, fully
engaged, the whole social media thing.
But I, you know, I aspire to do so.
And I thought to myself, yeah, there are going to be trolls out
there, people who are just trying to kind of like make you
something. And So what Coyle was saying

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today was, you know, ignore them.
Just. Ignore them because.
What they're doing is exactly what they are trying to do which
is get you'd like knock you off your center, right.
Right. And so and that's not even like
with regard to, you know, takingthe the more spiritual or higher

(01:06:46):
vibe High Road. It's more like depriving them of
the negative attention that they're looking for.
Yes, So, but yeah, I would have probably done the same.
Thank you. Too bad.
That. She's so quick.
And willing and ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

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Yeah, I agree. No, this is not.
This is there's this isn't for the faint of heart.
There's no thing that's easy about taking the spiritual High
Road when in this world there isso much that isn't that, yes.
It's definitely in the minority.When you're in that demographic
of people, yeah. It's work.

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It's a lot of work. But it's worth it.
Like I've noticed I've I've, I've come to that conclusion and
you know, I just want to mentionyou know that the clock's going
to tick out on you for a second.But I want to thank you for for
coming up here and and jumping on.
I hope to talk to you again soon.
I'm going to be doing this a lotmore often so hope to hope to
hear you again. It was a great contribution.

(01:07:52):
Yeah. Well, I followed you.
And I look forward to seeing more from you, Keith.
Thanks for being here. Thank you.
All right. Take care.
No, she's absolutely right there.
Are people out there? Who are going to push the
boundaries as far as they possibly can and for someone to

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be as fickle as well to just step right off.
That was my opinion. But I guess the the validation
helps and I haven't. I don't think I've heard
anything from anybody who actually agreed with this
listener. And I hope maybe she was just
having a bad day and she actually hears this episode
because her her perspective actually did change mine.
Like I Monday morning quarterbacked myself and really
thought to myself is my responsewas what I said actually

(01:08:36):
necessary. So yeah, I've had some thoughts
about that. And also and Julia, thank you
for for acknowledging I've been actually on this wisdom app when
it was beta. So that's why I have the mentor
badge on my profile. I think that's why I have it.
So but I was on here when I was in beta.
So I've been here from the very beginning and I was huge on
Clubhouse. I loved Clubhouse.

(01:08:57):
And I feel like Clubhouse has turned into something I don't
even recognize anymore. I don't care for it.
I know it's a little bit more popular than wisdom, but I'm
trying to do what I can to change that and bring some of
the thousands of listeners over to this.
If they think it's, you know, enticement to get live episodes
and in here, hear their episodesbefore everybody else does,

(01:09:17):
maybe I'll bring people over. I don't know.
It's like I have a massive following or anything.
So I got one more guest waiting,so I will take one more person.
I have doctor. Del Sue Frankelson What are your
thoughts on this? How did you get to listen to the
entire episode? But when did you?
When did you jump in? I was able.
To hear when you were summarizing it, I've been in for

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a few minutes now and I think it's a great conversation to be
had. I truly believe as a mental
health specialist and I'm also aminister and a life coach and
mental health coach. I think every day is another
chance for us to get it right and to help others get it right.
And so we have to learn to give each other grace and we're not

(01:10:01):
alone, this human experience, right?
So on our journey we all will have moments where we're say
vibrating high or low based on whatever it is we're facing for
the day. So because of that we have to
learn how to give each other grace and for her to totally
dismiss you like that. You know, sometime we talks
about, we talk about like triggers in our fuel, right?
Well something happened there. I don't know what it is, but one

(01:10:24):
thing I'm encouraging others to have and and also when I train
is to remember that we're not alone in the human experience
and for us to practice mindful self compassion.
So what you're doing today is really good to reflect in part.
How do we do that? Of course you have to remember
you're not alone in the human experience, so you're not going
to be the first person this everhappened to.

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And as far as the way you reacted, it's normal reaction,
you know, on some days, like I say, depends on where we are.
At the moment we will react. Differently, right.
But that inner critic will come to all of us.
I've had moments, right, where people question what you say and
why you said it or you reacted, right.
Because of something from the past.
It doesn't matter how educated we are, how knowledgeable, how

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we are. It all depends on what we're
going through that by that moment, how we will respond to
situations. And so just learn how to give
each other grace. That person should understand
your situation, where you're coming from and understanding
that that's a very sensitive area for you based on the
experiences that you have, right?
Like any of us, no matter we, ifwe have, we, we all have

(01:11:32):
triggers. And so at some point, it depends
on how we're doing at the moment, right?
With everything else that's going on around us, what type of
adversities we're currently facing, we all respond
differently, differently, right?Right.
And so. Yeah, just give yourself some
grace and it's OK. You know when you go through
this you've been reflecting. Another thing we should practice

(01:11:56):
too is self kindness, right? Being kind to yourself.
And when you go to go to situations like this that
happen, instead of sitting therewondering what you did wrong,
where you're wrong, is everyone feeling that way about me now?
Just take some time out and say to yourself, what is it that I
need for me right now, right? Obviously you know there was
something you need for yourself.You could take some time for

(01:12:17):
yourself to reflect and work that out amongst yourself and
and let it go, 'cause every day is a brand new day for Mercy and
Grace from the Most High. So I believe brand new slate for
us to start over again. Like I said, for us to try to
get it right and to help others to get it right on our journey,
none of us are perfect. And so it's a great conversation
to be had because sometimes we want other people to be perfect

(01:12:39):
and we're not perfect. None of us are perfect.
We're all. Going to make.
Mistakes, right? So true.
And we're. Going to have.
Different moments in life where we going to react to different
situations based on the the you know where we are right now,
currently right. Absolutely for.
The day, Yes. Brilliant.
Absolutely brilliant. Thank you.

(01:13:00):
It's it's great to hear how other people feel about, you
know, the experience of the world.
And it's great that you're actually out there teaching
other people about what these experiences mean and, you know,
trying to help people, guide them, you know, guide them
through the process of becoming aware of themselves and the
people they're interacting with and giving yourself that space
and grace. Because you're not going to be,

(01:13:22):
you're going to screw up a lot in the beginning, especially for
people just starting out on the path.
And years later, you're still going to be making mistakes.
But teaching that grace is an amazing thing to do.
So I appreciate your contribution.
Thank you. Yeah, You're welcome.
Yeah. It's so important.
We have to just learn how to do that sometimes.
You know, we want everybody to be perfect, but we're not
perfect ourselves. You know, we're all working on

(01:13:44):
ourselves to become better, right, and stronger, and we have
to allow others to do the same thing at their pace.
Your race, your pace, right? That's right.
And so we take our time, you know, to improve in our areas of
weakness and continue to shine in our areas of strength right
each day. But we all have something we're
working on, absolutely. Well, thank you so much.

(01:14:07):
The clock's winding down on your5 minute timer which I'm going
to erase for the next episode sopeople can just go on.
But thank you for your contributions.
Brilliant, brilliant people thathave been jumping up on here
tonight. This has been great.
The last last time I had some people come up on the stage I'll
just I'll say that it left it ended up on the cutting room
floor after it was all said and done.

(01:14:27):
So these are both made a couple of great contributions.
So thank you guys for joining me.
I'm going to cut this one off ata certain point but I really
appreciate the two people that came up and your contributions
were great and likely going to make it to the episode.
So, and I will close with this someone who thinks that this
whole situation is enough to quote, UN quote, erase all I've
done. It wipes out hundreds of

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podcasts, the thousands of listeners.
The people who've written in to me told me that this show has
changed their life, all because I called someone an asshole
insulted me. I guess you missed the part of
the story where I've explained who I am.
I'm no guru. I don't walk on water.
I don't hold myself as being better than anyone else.

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I'm a real person who's been through a lot in a very short
amount of time, and I want to get every one of you fired up to
go and experience everything that this life has to offer.
Make it the best version of yourlife, and make yourself become
the best version of you that youpossibly can be in this
experience. But I am just a student.
I am an eternal student at that.There are tests that I'm going

(01:15:34):
to fail until the day that I die.
And the things that, you know, Ilook at that is a failure.
I know I'm going to do them better next time.
I'm I'm that kind of person. But that doesn't wipe out the
A's that I've gotten on life either.
The FS don't wipe out my A's, and I've learned along this
entire Rd., this entire path that the.
The A's were more. Valuable than anything, and I

(01:15:57):
will always turn those FS into A's and that's what motivates me
to keep on going. And I've helped many other
people get those A's as well. And if you're fickle enough that
you have to turn your radio off,your phone off, whatever it is
you're listening this podcast on, if you've got to turn that
all off because you didn't like that one thing that I said, I
guess you missed every point of every one of those episodes

(01:16:18):
you've listened to at this point.
So be perfectly imperfect everybody.
It's OK. And if you don't like your
response to something that happens to you in life and you
want to do better next time, congratulations, you're becoming
self aware. You know, be connected, love thy
neighbor, open your heart up to as many amazing connections that
you possibly can in this life. You know you're going to

(01:16:40):
encounter people and entities, whatever they are and are here
to do the opposite of what you're here to do.
So you know it's a law of the universe like I spoke of before.
Just be prepared to be that positive swing in the opposite
direction then. And if you don't like your
responses when your pendulum swings back in the other way,
well, that's the great part about Earth school, right?
Like you get another chance to take the test when it comes up,

(01:17:03):
and you know nothing's failed until you deem yourself a
failure. And if you just have one
drawback, one fault, one failure, one lack of judgement,
whatever it is, it doesn't make you a failure.
Not continuing on a path that you know you're meant for.
That's what would make you a failure.
You know, I certainly would never ever write anybody off
that I've learned so much about.And I've I've so many valuable

(01:17:27):
people in my life that I'd like something.
This is strange that they might have said and belief that I
don't believe in, but I wouldn'tcut them off.
And when we learn how amazing our connections can be, our our
lives can really transform in ways that I think he's on
parallel. So keep being you, Keep being
amazing. Keep soaring to even higher
heights than anybody dreamed of,including yourself.

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You might not know where you're going or who you're going to do
it with. But if you approach it with a
good heart, you know that it's going to be the right place
whenever you end up there. So which brings me to the song
that we're going to close this episode with.
This one is an older one from EULA that I might have played
earlier in the podcast, but it'sone of my faves.
I'm going to play it again if I've already played it.
This one's called Soaring. You believe in your truth.

(01:18:14):
Guys, we'll see you next time. The

(01:19:20):
climbing far away from now, climbing far away from now,
climbing far away from now far. Away from.

(01:20:09):
Flying on. My own.
The stars are in my home. Don't know where I am, but I'm

(01:20:30):
alone here. I'm.
Alone. Now

(01:21:10):
the to a friend and don't know

(01:21:38):
where.

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