October 31, 2024 • 678 mins
In this episode, Ross O'Hair and Jamie Pharis Pyles guide us through a exploration of Romans 6:14-23, revealing how to break free from the cycle of sin and live under the power of God's grace. The conversation offers practical insights into how believers can shift from living under obligation to living with joyful obedience from the heart. By listening, you'll gain a deeper understanding of how grace transforms your daily life, empowering you to make choices that lead to righteousness, peace, and abundant life in Christ. This episode will encourage you to trust God with your day-to-day struggles, embrace your new identity, and walk in true freedom.
Key Verses:
Romans 6:14-23: “For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace. What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification. For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. But what fruit were you getting at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
Quotes:
"It’s really hard when you have to, but it’s really easy when you want to."
"When you truly understand what God’s done to you and how trustworthy He is, then you’ll start to see change in your day-to-day life."
Key Points:
- Living under grace allows for genuine obedience from the heart, not out of obligation but desire.
- The freedom in Christ leads to life and sanctification, while sin leads only to death.
Outline:
Introduction (00:00:06)
Scripture Reading (00:01:12)
Habitual Sin and Occasional Sin (00:03:26)
What It Means to Present Ourselves as Slaves to Righteousness(00:04:26)
Obedience from the Heart (00:08:43)
Contrast of Sin Versus Righteousness (00:05:03)
How Sin Affects Relationships (00:05:25)
Choosing to Live from Grace (00:09:44)
The Practical Walk of Believing (00:15:14)
Final Takeaway from Romans 6 (00:17:42)
Theme Music:
Here Forever by Adigold Nordic Cellos by Orchestralis
(all rights and licensing from Envato elements)
Hosted by: Ross O'Hair Participating Staff: Jamie Pharis Pyles Scriptures Read By: Corrie O'Hair
Edited by: Ross O’Hair and Ben Brezina
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Ross O'Hair:
Hello and welcome to the Living in Jesus
podcast. (00:06):
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Have you ever wondered if you're trustingGod with the day to day events of your life?
If you're putting the outcomes of thosedifficult situations in the hands of Jesus?
For many, this is an unknown process.
We may have no idea how to trust God withour daily lives, but for others, this idea is
a fearful proposition.
How do we trust God to guide us through theups and downs of life, when we're not sure
(00:29):
what he'll do? Or even still, maybe you arelike most people and consult God when no
other options have worked and all yourefforts have fallen short.
But God has designed us for somethingdifferent, for something so freeing and
calming that our view of life will never bethe same.
These difficult questions are profound andyet foundational to opening our eyes to the
wonderful news God has for us.
Found in Romans 814 to 23.
(00:51):
And through our discussion today, we hopethat the spirit opens your eyes to see the
freedom and grace promised in your day today lives.
My name is Ross O'Hare and I'm your hosttoday.
And joining me on today's episode is JamiePyles.
But before we delve into today's topic,let's take a moment and listen to the
Scripture.
Corrie O'Hair: In Romans 614 through 23. (01:12):
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For you are not under law, but under grace.
What then shall we sin?
Because we are not under law, but undergrace.
May it never be.
Do you not know that when you presentyourselves to someone as slaves for
obedience, you are slaves of the one whomyou obey either of sin, resulting in death or
(01:36):
of obedience resulting in righteousness.
But thanks be to God that though you wereslaves of sin, you became obedient from the
heart to that form of teaching to which youwere committed.
And having been freed from sin, you becameslaves of righteousness.
I am speaking in human terms because of theweakness of your flesh.
For just as you presented your members asslaves to impurity, into lawlessness,
(01:59):
resulting in further lawlessness, so nowpresent your members as slaves to
righteousness, resulting in sanctification.
For when you were slaves of sin, you werefree in regard to righteousness.
Therefore, what benefit were you thenderiving from the things of which you are now
ashamed? For the outcome of those things isdeath.
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But now, having been freed from sin andenslaved to God, you derive your benefit,
resulting in sanctification and the outcomeeternal life.
For the wages of sin is death, but the freegift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus
our Lord.
Ross O'Hair: All right. Jamie. Hi. Good to have you back. (02:49):
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Last time in Romans six.
How are you today?
Jamie Pharis Pyles: I'm great. Glad to be here. (02:53):
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Thank you.
Ross O'Hair: You bet. All right, so, like I said, we're wrapping up Romans six. (02:55):
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It's been a great journey through it so far.
And Paul really is going to tie a bow hereon what we're talking about.
We've covered quite a bit of stuff.
Last week. We talked about how we can knowand then consider and then present.
So where does he take us into this last setof verses?
Jamie Pharis Pyles: Okay. So he's going to remind us we don't have to be mastered by sin. (03:12):
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We're not under law.
We're under grace.
I like to point out he started with thisquestion that he asked.
Ross O'Hair: In verse one. (03:26):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: In verse one, what then are we to sin because we are not under law, but under grace? (03:26):
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That first time he uses it as a do wecontinue?
Do we habitually, deliberately step intosin?
Yeah. This time he's going to change it.
The verb is a bit different.
This time it's saying, okay, we'veconsidered that we don't want to habitually
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sin, but you may ask, hey, can we dabble init?
And that's what this verse means, right?
And of course, his answer is still going tobe a strong no.
Yeah. Yeah.
Ross O'Hair: So okay so he's changed up the question a little bit first. (04:02):
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It was habitually. This time it's moredabbling in it.
And the answer is still no.
Right. Because now you know we don't want todo that.
We're new. We've been made new.
We're new creatures.
But it says, you know what then?
Are we to sin because we're under law butunder grace.
Far from it.
So then the very next phrase, he uses theword present again.
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What is he doing there?
Yes, he's.
Jamie Pharis Pyles: Going to use that word present. (04:26):
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But now he's going to give you a real lifeexperience to go along with it.
Paul's going to compare the condition ofbeing a slave, either to sin or to
righteousness. And then he's going tocontrast the differing results.
Okay. Yeah. Okay. So first he's going tomake sure that we understand that we still
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have to choose.
There's no middle ground.
We are choosing to present to sin as ourmaster or to God through obedience.
Ross O'Hair: Yeah. I mean, in this verse he contrasts it where if you present yourself as a slave to (05:03):
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sin that results in death, it results in thedeath of relationships.
And, you know, the results are going to becatastrophic for you.
Exactly. Whereas if you're presentingyourselves to obedience, the result, it says
righteousness. And I think it's important.
Um, he doesn't mean like we're maderighteous.
Jamie Pharis Pyles: We gain our righteousness by that, (05:25):
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Ross O'Hair: Right (05:27):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: We are already made righteous in Christ, but it will result in a righteous behavior. (05:27):
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Ross O'Hair: Yeah. (05:34):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: That will naturally follow. (05:34):
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If you're under law, you're required toobey.
Ross O'Hair: Mm. (05:39):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: But the problem is, under that system, you really don't know if you want to obey. (05:40):
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Right. I've heard it said it's really hardwhen you have to.
It's really easy when you want to.
Right? So that's what's going on here.
If we know that we want to obey, we're justnaturally going to go in that direction.
Ross O'Hair: Yeah. (06:05):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: And that's why Christ offered us a choice and free will. (06:06):
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Ross O'Hair: Yeah. (06:10):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: If I really know that I want to obey, I will. (06:11):
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Ross O'Hair: Right. (06:14):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: I found that to be true in my own life when I was, uh, understanding these truths. (06:15):
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But I kind of felt like, you know, I'm notenjoying reading my Bible.
I feel like I have to read it and.
Ross O'Hair: Like it's required of you. (06:34):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: It's required. (06:35):
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I was taught that I was raised in that, butI was beginning to understand there might be
a different way. And I heard a preacher say,hey, you think God doesn't already know your
desires? So if he knows you don't enjoyreading that Bible, why are you doing it?
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Yeah. Let it go for a while.
See what happens.
Ross O'Hair: Yeah. (06:59):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: And I did that. (06:59):
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Now, at first I felt just a little bit weirdabout it.
Shouldn't I be doing this?
Ross O'Hair: Well, people probably listening are. (07:06):
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Probably like, wait, you did what?
Yeah, right.
Jamie Pharis Pyles: Oh, but I began to see that there were times when maybe something came on the TV, a (07:10):
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discussion about something, and I wanted togo back to the scriptures and look that up.
Or maybe friends were talking and I wantedto see, hey, what does the Bible say about
that? Or maybe something was said in churchand I wanted to explore just a little bit
(07:32):
deeper. I would find myself going back tothe word and now interested, excited, and I
was learning something.
It wasn't a chore.
I actually enjoyed it and I felt like Iretained it.
It meant something to me now.
It was personal.
It was not just a practice that was requiredof me.
Ross O'Hair: Yeah, (07:57):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: It was actually a blessing now to me because I knew, no, I'm not doing this just because (07:57):
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I'm made to. I want to.
Ross O'Hair: Yeah. So the obedience to God is not obedience where you have to. (08:06):
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Because obviously, you know God is in favorof reading the word.
Jamie Pharis Pyles: Absolutely. It's where we get the truth. (08:14):
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Ross O'Hair: He wants you to get to the point where you want to. (08:16):
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And that doesn't happen by a have to.
He says, hey, this would be great for you,but let's figure out how this works and let
you figure it out with that choice of yours.
Jamie Pharis Pyles: It can happen with a have to, but just like with anything, you're doing it half (08:26):
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heartedly, aren't you?
Yeah. Now, I was doing it fully engaged witha full heart.
Ross O'Hair: Right. Well, it's funny you use that word heart because the very next word it says you (08:38):
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have become obedient from the heart.
Jamie Pharis Pyles: Oh, yes, that's a good one. (08:43):
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Ross O'Hair: So how is he tying that in? (08:45):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: So it's really cool because most people think they've been taught, hey, I have a wicked (08:46):
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heart. That's Old covenant.
That's Old Testament. And Paul is clearlysaying here you became obedient from a heart
that was actually molded or, or formed tothe teaching that you received that's telling
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us something cool.
Paul loved to play with words, and in thisverse he's using that word formed as the word
meant a mold that you poured something into.
And he's saying your heart was poured intothis mold of the truth of the scriptures that
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were taught to you to share what Christreally came to do.
Yeah. Now you are molded by.
Ross O'Hair: Your heart is yeah. (09:44):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: This message of what Christ has done for you and you've received it, that God was going to (09:45):
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give you a new heart and a new spirit.
You've been molded by that truth now so yourheart can be good.
It is trustworthy in Christ.
And now you've become obedient from that.
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Well, I think of it.
Ross O'Hair: I think of the Psalms where it says, "create in me a new heart, O God, and renew a right (10:07):
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spirit within me." And what we can say asbelievers now is that has happened.
That has already happened, and we have a newspirit.
That's what the finished work of the crossis talking about.
So because of that, man, it's such anincredible news.
Like when you think about that, you know, welook at you think of David and you're like,
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oh wow. Yeah. Creating me God.
And people still say that today.
And it's like, no, you have that.
Jamie Pharis Pyles: No, you already have that. (10:30):
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Ross O'Hair: Yeah. And that's what Paul is trying to really, you know, nail down here is hey, (10:31):
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listen, you've been crucified with Christ.
You are new, you have a new heart, you'vebeen molded and it's been molded by the
teachings of the gospel and the truth.
And when you believe that, I've also givenyou choice, by the way, and when you believe
that your choices then result in righteousbehavior.
Jamie Pharis Pyles: Yes, absolutely. (10:50):
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Ross O'Hair: So, okay, so he's talked about our heart. (10:52):
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He's talked about the obedience.
Where does he end up? Where does he finishchapter six on.
Jamie Pharis Pyles: Paul's going to remind them that they've changed. (10:58):
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Remember a lot of his audience had once beenpagans.
If you don't want a pagan is yeah, pagan issomeone who didn't acknowledge God saw
nothing wrong with their sin.
Ross O'Hair: Yeah, (11:14):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: Okay. They worshipped other gods. (11:14):
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They had other practices that were totallyagainst God's best for them.
Yep. So now Paul is going to remind them.
The very thought now of their old behaviormade them feel a bit ashamed.
Oh, I hated that lifestyle.
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Yeah. Keep in mind someone who is still inthat lifestyle does not care.
Yeah. So he's reminding them you havechanged your old ways, don't satisfy, and you
never benefited from them anyway.
You've already reminded us.
Sin brings death, right?
Ross O'Hair: Yep. (11:54):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: But righteousness has a benefit. (11:54):
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And he uses the word fruit.
Or it actually means profit.
Really? He's saying you benefit.
You profit from this new change in you whereyou didn't profit from sin.
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It never brought about the lifestyle thatyou were trying to get from it.
Yeah. And that's that's real differencebecause he's saying sanctification or the
purification, that you got results in yourpurity now and your eternal life forever with
him. It isn't something you get in the byand by.
(12:37):
Yeah, it is something that's happening rightnow.
So that last verse in Romans is just a starkreality.
He's he's laying it out there.
You have a choice.
And it leaves us in no doubt about what thechoices are.
It's death or life, really.
Yeah. There's no profit with sin as yourmaster.
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I tell people all the time when I reallygrasp that, when I really grasp that the
flesh brought death.
Yep. God would remind me you're about tostep into some fleshly behavior here.
Haven't you wasted enough time doing that?
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Don't you want to try my way?
And I would think you're right.
It's going to end. Flesh is going to end indeath.
I am not going to receive a benefit fromthis.
Could be death of a relationship.
Could be death of success.
Why am I?
Death of our peace.
Why am I continuing to follow that path?
Ross O'Hair: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it makes total sense. (13:37):
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So in the intro I talked about a little bit,you know, are we trusting God with our day to
day events? Sometimes the outcomes of lifecan put us in difficult situations.
And you know, I kind of want to tie upRomans six with this idea of, you know, we
talked about how change can happen lastweek, but now we're talking about like day to
day living, trusting God that we have newhearts, that we're new, that he cares about
(14:02):
us. And you just brought in like, hey, yeah,he cares about every choice that we're making
because he wants us to experience that peaceand that joy and not that death of whatever
it is. So how how can we tie this up in abow to say, hey, we can change?
And then this also affects our day to daylife, to where we can experience the abundant
life when we put this all together.
Jamie Pharis Pyles: I love Romans six because it is so, so very practical and it is riveting in its truth. (14:25):
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If we will focus on that truth.
And what Paul is telling us is, look, you'vebeen changed.
You're no longer a slave to sin.
You have died to sin.
You don't have that sin nature controllingyou anymore, if you will believe that, that's
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the first step. Now, instead of presentingyour body to sin, you have a choice to allow
the Holy Spirit to do the work in you.
They've never had this choice before and nowwe have this choice.
Going further, you've got to know you've gotthat new heart.
Yeah. And it is in line with what God wants.
Ross O'Hair: Yeah, (15:14):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: These thoughts have to be our focus. (15:15):
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And that's really all we can do is changeour focus and allow the power of the Holy
Spirit to work.
We talked about this.
Practically speaking, it may not happen thefirst time.
You're going to have to give it a chance.
You're going to have to repeat the processand allow God to break those holes, those
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synapses in the brain, to give you that newwalk.
But it will happen.
He's already promised to complete that goodwork.
So Romans six is the practical walk in step,and the reminder in the end
that you can still choose, but you'rechoosing life or death.
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Yeah. Choose life.
Ross O'Hair: Yeah, that's really great. As you were talking, I just thought about this idea of (16:08):
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like, when we're experiencing life and whenwe're inviting into this God's, like you
said, we're he's inviting us to depend onhim.
And that dependence doesn't end with ourability to do this perfectly.
No. And something that really radicallychanged my life many years ago was
understanding. And it's kind of a weirdphrase, but I had to depend on God to even
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depend on him, right?
Because, I mean, like, if I tried to then inmy fleshly effort, try to depend on God every
moment I was going to fail at that.
And it was it was honestly my failures andthe death I experienced that helped me truly
be like, hey, I don't actually want to dothat anymore.
I want to depend on God.
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I want to do that.
And it was that very process that God workedin my mind and in my heart that it was like,
hey, everything you said, you really don'twant to do this.
You really don't want to think about that.
You really don't want to act that way.
You don't want to have that kind ofattitude. You really want to present yourself
to God and to allow him to work through youand in you so that you can experience that
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joy as opposed to the guilt and the shamethat came with sin.
And so it was just this really greatcontrast.
And I think Paul has done a great job, andyou've done a great job of explaining to us,
hey, when you truly understand what God'sdone to you and how trustworthy he really is
and what he's asking of you is really great,then you'll see it start to see change in
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your day to day life.
Amen. Yeah. Awesome.
Jamie, thank you so much for walking usthrough Romans six.
It was really just eye opening and so great.
I really appreciate your time. Thank you somuch.
Jamie Pharis Pyles: You're welcome. Enjoyed it. (17:42):
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Ross O'Hair: Guys. Thanks so much again for listening. (17:43):
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Also next week we're going to pick up Romansseven, the fFirst part of that.
Guys, thanks so much again for listening tothe Living in Jesus podcast.
And we'll see you next week. Bye.
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Have you ever wondered if you're trustingGod with the day to day events of your life?
If you're putting the outcomes of thosedifficult situations in the hands of Jesus?
For many, this is an unknown process.
We may have no idea how to trust God withour daily lives, but for others, this idea is
a fearful proposition.
How do we trust God to guide us through theups and downs of life, when we're not sure
(00:29):
what he'll do? Or even still, maybe you arelike most people and consult God when no
other options have worked and all yourefforts have fallen short.
But God has designed us for somethingdifferent, for something so freeing and
calming that our view of life will never bethe same.
These difficult questions are profound andyet foundational to opening our eyes to the
wonderful news God has for us.
Found in Romans 814 to 23.
(00:51):
And through our discussion today, we hopethat the spirit opens your eyes to see the
freedom and grace promised in your day today lives.
My name is Ross O'Hare and I'm your hosttoday.
And joining me on today's episode is JamiePyles.
But before we delve into today's topic,let's take a moment and listen to the
Scripture.
Corrie O'Hair: In Romans 614 through 23. (01:12):
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For you are not under law, but under grace.
What then shall we sin?
Because we are not under law, but undergrace.
May it never be.
Do you not know that when you presentyourselves to someone as slaves for
obedience, you are slaves of the one whomyou obey either of sin, resulting in death or
(01:36):
of obedience resulting in righteousness.
But thanks be to God that though you wereslaves of sin, you became obedient from the
heart to that form of teaching to which youwere committed.
And having been freed from sin, you becameslaves of righteousness.
I am speaking in human terms because of theweakness of your flesh.
For just as you presented your members asslaves to impurity, into lawlessness,
(01:59):
resulting in further lawlessness, so nowpresent your members as slaves to
righteousness, resulting in sanctification.
For when you were slaves of sin, you werefree in regard to righteousness.
Therefore, what benefit were you thenderiving from the things of which you are now
ashamed? For the outcome of those things isdeath.
(02:20):
But now, having been freed from sin andenslaved to God, you derive your benefit,
resulting in sanctification and the outcomeeternal life.
For the wages of sin is death, but the freegift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus
our Lord.
Ross O'Hair: All right. Jamie. Hi. Good to have you back. (02:49):
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Last time in Romans six.
How are you today?
Jamie Pharis Pyles: I'm great. Glad to be here. (02:53):
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Thank you.
Ross O'Hair: You bet. All right, so, like I said, we're wrapping up Romans six. (02:55):
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It's been a great journey through it so far.
And Paul really is going to tie a bow hereon what we're talking about.
We've covered quite a bit of stuff.
Last week. We talked about how we can knowand then consider and then present.
So where does he take us into this last setof verses?
Jamie Pharis Pyles: Okay. So he's going to remind us we don't have to be mastered by sin. (03:12):
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We're not under law.
We're under grace.
I like to point out he started with thisquestion that he asked.
Ross O'Hair: In verse one. (03:26):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: In verse one, what then are we to sin because we are not under law, but under grace? (03:26):
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That first time he uses it as a do wecontinue?
Do we habitually, deliberately step intosin?
Yeah. This time he's going to change it.
The verb is a bit different.
This time it's saying, okay, we'veconsidered that we don't want to habitually
(03:51):
sin, but you may ask, hey, can we dabble init?
And that's what this verse means, right?
And of course, his answer is still going tobe a strong no.
Yeah. Yeah.
Ross O'Hair: So okay so he's changed up the question a little bit first. (04:02):
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It was habitually. This time it's moredabbling in it.
And the answer is still no.
Right. Because now you know we don't want todo that.
We're new. We've been made new.
We're new creatures.
But it says, you know what then?
Are we to sin because we're under law butunder grace.
Far from it.
So then the very next phrase, he uses theword present again.
(04:24):
What is he doing there?
Yes, he's.
Jamie Pharis Pyles: Going to use that word present. (04:26):
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But now he's going to give you a real lifeexperience to go along with it.
Paul's going to compare the condition ofbeing a slave, either to sin or to
righteousness. And then he's going tocontrast the differing results.
Okay. Yeah. Okay. So first he's going tomake sure that we understand that we still
(04:49):
have to choose.
There's no middle ground.
We are choosing to present to sin as ourmaster or to God through obedience.
Ross O'Hair: Yeah. I mean, in this verse he contrasts it where if you present yourself as a slave to (05:03):
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sin that results in death, it results in thedeath of relationships.
And, you know, the results are going to becatastrophic for you.
Exactly. Whereas if you're presentingyourselves to obedience, the result, it says
righteousness. And I think it's important.
Um, he doesn't mean like we're maderighteous.
Jamie Pharis Pyles: We gain our righteousness by that, (05:25):
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Ross O'Hair: Right (05:27):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: We are already made righteous in Christ, but it will result in a righteous behavior. (05:27):
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Ross O'Hair: Yeah. (05:34):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: That will naturally follow. (05:34):
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If you're under law, you're required toobey.
Ross O'Hair: Mm. (05:39):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: But the problem is, under that system, you really don't know if you want to obey. (05:40):
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Right. I've heard it said it's really hardwhen you have to.
It's really easy when you want to.
Right? So that's what's going on here.
If we know that we want to obey, we're justnaturally going to go in that direction.
Ross O'Hair: Yeah. (06:05):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: And that's why Christ offered us a choice and free will. (06:06):
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Ross O'Hair: Yeah. (06:10):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: If I really know that I want to obey, I will. (06:11):
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Ross O'Hair: Right. (06:14):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: I found that to be true in my own life when I was, uh, understanding these truths. (06:15):
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But I kind of felt like, you know, I'm notenjoying reading my Bible.
I feel like I have to read it and.
Ross O'Hair: Like it's required of you. (06:34):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: It's required. (06:35):
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I was taught that I was raised in that, butI was beginning to understand there might be
a different way. And I heard a preacher say,hey, you think God doesn't already know your
desires? So if he knows you don't enjoyreading that Bible, why are you doing it?
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Yeah. Let it go for a while.
See what happens.
Ross O'Hair: Yeah. (06:59):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: And I did that. (06:59):
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Now, at first I felt just a little bit weirdabout it.
Shouldn't I be doing this?
Ross O'Hair: Well, people probably listening are. (07:06):
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Probably like, wait, you did what?
Yeah, right.
Jamie Pharis Pyles: Oh, but I began to see that there were times when maybe something came on the TV, a (07:10):
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discussion about something, and I wanted togo back to the scriptures and look that up.
Or maybe friends were talking and I wantedto see, hey, what does the Bible say about
that? Or maybe something was said in churchand I wanted to explore just a little bit
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deeper. I would find myself going back tothe word and now interested, excited, and I
was learning something.
It wasn't a chore.
I actually enjoyed it and I felt like Iretained it.
It meant something to me now.
It was personal.
It was not just a practice that was requiredof me.
Ross O'Hair: Yeah, (07:57):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: It was actually a blessing now to me because I knew, no, I'm not doing this just because (07:57):
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I'm made to. I want to.
Ross O'Hair: Yeah. So the obedience to God is not obedience where you have to. (08:06):
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Because obviously, you know God is in favorof reading the word.
Jamie Pharis Pyles: Absolutely. It's where we get the truth. (08:14):
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Ross O'Hair: He wants you to get to the point where you want to. (08:16):
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And that doesn't happen by a have to.
He says, hey, this would be great for you,but let's figure out how this works and let
you figure it out with that choice of yours.
Jamie Pharis Pyles: It can happen with a have to, but just like with anything, you're doing it half (08:26):
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heartedly, aren't you?
Yeah. Now, I was doing it fully engaged witha full heart.
Ross O'Hair: Right. Well, it's funny you use that word heart because the very next word it says you (08:38):
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have become obedient from the heart.
Jamie Pharis Pyles: Oh, yes, that's a good one. (08:43):
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Ross O'Hair: So how is he tying that in? (08:45):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: So it's really cool because most people think they've been taught, hey, I have a wicked (08:46):
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heart. That's Old covenant.
That's Old Testament. And Paul is clearlysaying here you became obedient from a heart
that was actually molded or, or formed tothe teaching that you received that's telling
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us something cool.
Paul loved to play with words, and in thisverse he's using that word formed as the word
meant a mold that you poured something into.
And he's saying your heart was poured intothis mold of the truth of the scriptures that
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were taught to you to share what Christreally came to do.
Yeah. Now you are molded by.
Ross O'Hair: Your heart is yeah. (09:44):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: This message of what Christ has done for you and you've received it, that God was going to (09:45):
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give you a new heart and a new spirit.
You've been molded by that truth now so yourheart can be good.
It is trustworthy in Christ.
And now you've become obedient from that.
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Well, I think of it.
Ross O'Hair: I think of the Psalms where it says, "create in me a new heart, O God, and renew a right (10:07):
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spirit within me." And what we can say asbelievers now is that has happened.
That has already happened, and we have a newspirit.
That's what the finished work of the crossis talking about.
So because of that, man, it's such anincredible news.
Like when you think about that, you know, welook at you think of David and you're like,
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oh wow. Yeah. Creating me God.
And people still say that today.
And it's like, no, you have that.
Jamie Pharis Pyles: No, you already have that. (10:30):
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Ross O'Hair: Yeah. And that's what Paul is trying to really, you know, nail down here is hey, (10:31):
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listen, you've been crucified with Christ.
You are new, you have a new heart, you'vebeen molded and it's been molded by the
teachings of the gospel and the truth.
And when you believe that, I've also givenyou choice, by the way, and when you believe
that your choices then result in righteousbehavior.
Jamie Pharis Pyles: Yes, absolutely. (10:50):
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Ross O'Hair: So, okay, so he's talked about our heart. (10:52):
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He's talked about the obedience.
Where does he end up? Where does he finishchapter six on.
Jamie Pharis Pyles: Paul's going to remind them that they've changed. (10:58):
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Remember a lot of his audience had once beenpagans.
If you don't want a pagan is yeah, pagan issomeone who didn't acknowledge God saw
nothing wrong with their sin.
Ross O'Hair: Yeah, (11:14):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: Okay. They worshipped other gods. (11:14):
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They had other practices that were totallyagainst God's best for them.
Yep. So now Paul is going to remind them.
The very thought now of their old behaviormade them feel a bit ashamed.
Oh, I hated that lifestyle.
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Yeah. Keep in mind someone who is still inthat lifestyle does not care.
Yeah. So he's reminding them you havechanged your old ways, don't satisfy, and you
never benefited from them anyway.
You've already reminded us.
Sin brings death, right?
Ross O'Hair: Yep. (11:54):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: But righteousness has a benefit. (11:54):
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And he uses the word fruit.
Or it actually means profit.
Really? He's saying you benefit.
You profit from this new change in you whereyou didn't profit from sin.
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It never brought about the lifestyle thatyou were trying to get from it.
Yeah. And that's that's real differencebecause he's saying sanctification or the
purification, that you got results in yourpurity now and your eternal life forever with
him. It isn't something you get in the byand by.
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Yeah, it is something that's happening rightnow.
So that last verse in Romans is just a starkreality.
He's he's laying it out there.
You have a choice.
And it leaves us in no doubt about what thechoices are.
It's death or life, really.
Yeah. There's no profit with sin as yourmaster.
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I tell people all the time when I reallygrasp that, when I really grasp that the
flesh brought death.
Yep. God would remind me you're about tostep into some fleshly behavior here.
Haven't you wasted enough time doing that?
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Don't you want to try my way?
And I would think you're right.
It's going to end. Flesh is going to end indeath.
I am not going to receive a benefit fromthis.
Could be death of a relationship.
Could be death of success.
Why am I?
Death of our peace.
Why am I continuing to follow that path?
Ross O'Hair: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it makes total sense. (13:37):
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So in the intro I talked about a little bit,you know, are we trusting God with our day to
day events? Sometimes the outcomes of lifecan put us in difficult situations.
And you know, I kind of want to tie upRomans six with this idea of, you know, we
talked about how change can happen lastweek, but now we're talking about like day to
day living, trusting God that we have newhearts, that we're new, that he cares about
(14:02):
us. And you just brought in like, hey, yeah,he cares about every choice that we're making
because he wants us to experience that peaceand that joy and not that death of whatever
it is. So how how can we tie this up in abow to say, hey, we can change?
And then this also affects our day to daylife, to where we can experience the abundant
life when we put this all together.
Jamie Pharis Pyles: I love Romans six because it is so, so very practical and it is riveting in its truth. (14:25):
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If we will focus on that truth.
And what Paul is telling us is, look, you'vebeen changed.
You're no longer a slave to sin.
You have died to sin.
You don't have that sin nature controllingyou anymore, if you will believe that, that's
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the first step. Now, instead of presentingyour body to sin, you have a choice to allow
the Holy Spirit to do the work in you.
They've never had this choice before and nowwe have this choice.
Going further, you've got to know you've gotthat new heart.
Yeah. And it is in line with what God wants.
Ross O'Hair: Yeah, (15:14):
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Jamie Pharis Pyles: These thoughts have to be our focus. (15:15):
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And that's really all we can do is changeour focus and allow the power of the Holy
Spirit to work.
We talked about this.
Practically speaking, it may not happen thefirst time.
You're going to have to give it a chance.
You're going to have to repeat the processand allow God to break those holes, those
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synapses in the brain, to give you that newwalk.
But it will happen.
He's already promised to complete that goodwork.
So Romans six is the practical walk in step,and the reminder in the end
that you can still choose, but you'rechoosing life or death.
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Yeah. Choose life.
Ross O'Hair: Yeah, that's really great. As you were talking, I just thought about this idea of (16:08):
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like, when we're experiencing life and whenwe're inviting into this God's, like you
said, we're he's inviting us to depend onhim.
And that dependence doesn't end with ourability to do this perfectly.
No. And something that really radicallychanged my life many years ago was
understanding. And it's kind of a weirdphrase, but I had to depend on God to even
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depend on him, right?
Because, I mean, like, if I tried to then inmy fleshly effort, try to depend on God every
moment I was going to fail at that.
And it was it was honestly my failures andthe death I experienced that helped me truly
be like, hey, I don't actually want to dothat anymore.
I want to depend on God.
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I want to do that.
And it was that very process that God workedin my mind and in my heart that it was like,
hey, everything you said, you really don'twant to do this.
You really don't want to think about that.
You really don't want to act that way.
You don't want to have that kind ofattitude. You really want to present yourself
to God and to allow him to work through youand in you so that you can experience that
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joy as opposed to the guilt and the shamethat came with sin.
And so it was just this really greatcontrast.
And I think Paul has done a great job, andyou've done a great job of explaining to us,
hey, when you truly understand what God'sdone to you and how trustworthy he really is
and what he's asking of you is really great,then you'll see it start to see change in
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your day to day life.
Amen. Yeah. Awesome.
Jamie, thank you so much for walking usthrough Romans six.
It was really just eye opening and so great.
I really appreciate your time. Thank you somuch.
Jamie Pharis Pyles: You're welcome. Enjoyed it. (17:42):
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Ross O'Hair: Guys. Thanks so much again for listening. (17:43):
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Also next week we're going to pick up Romansseven, the fFirst part of that.
Guys, thanks so much again for listening tothe Living in Jesus podcast.
And we'll see you next week. Bye.
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