April 9, 2025 • 18 mins
Dream Big, Start Small: Finding Your Balance Between Audacity and Grounded Action
Ever wonder if your dreams are too big? Or are you playing it too safe? In this insightful episode of the Living Lucky® Podcast with Jason & Jana Banana, we tackle the age-old question: how do you balance audacious dreams with the practical steps needed to achieve them?
We share our personal journey of navigating this tension, revealing how our contrasting approaches—Jason's sky-high visions and Jana's grounded realism—actually complement each other, driving our podcast from crickets to over 200,000 downloads.
Here’s what you’ll discover:
- The Dreamer/Realist Dynamic: Finding Your Sweet Spot: Learn how to leverage both big-picture thinking and practical action.
- Building Momentum: The Power of Small Steps: Discover how consistent, grounded effort creates the foundation for soaring success.
- Reframing "Failure": Turning Rejection into Learning: Understand how to see setbacks as opportunities for growth, like Thomas Edison's 10,000 experiments.
- Thresholds of Perseverance: Knowing When to Push and When to Pivot: Learn to recognize your personal limits and adapt your approach accordingly.
- The Airplane Metaphor: Grounded Beginnings, Sky-High Dreams: See how starting with practical steps allows you to eventually reach your most ambitious goals.
- Comfort Zone Expansion: Gently Pushing Your Boundaries: Discover how to grow by gradually stepping outside your comfort zone.
- Defining Your Reality: Aligning Your Dreams with Practical Action: Learn to create a reality that supports your biggest dreams.
This episode is a masterclass in balancing vision with action.
Nuggets:
- How to balance dreaming big with practical steps.
- The power of small, consistent actions.
- How to reframe setbacks as learning opportunities.
- Knowing when to push and when to pivot.
- Expanding your comfort zone for growth.
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How to balance dreams and reality, How to achieve big goals with small steps, How to turn failure into success, How to know when to push or pivot, How to expand your comfort zone, How to align dreams with practical action, How to stay grounded while dreaming big,
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Jana Shelfer (00:00):
Are you ready to create a life you crave?
Let's spin that doom loop ofnegativity into an upward
success cycle and start LivingLucky®.
Good morning.
I'm Jana, I'm Jason and we areLiving Lucky®.
You are too.
All right, Jason.
(00:21):
What is it that you wanna talkabout today?
Jason Shelfer (00:23):
So I had a client today that was curious about
how they balance reality withdreaming big.
Jana Shelfer (00:31):
Which we struggle with all the time we talk about
it all the time.
Jason Shelfer (00:35):
Yes, I dream way out beyond the clouds, and you
do too, but you also like to bevery pragmatic.
Jana Shelfer (00:42):
We both are dreamers.
I would say I am more of arealist when it comes to the two
of us.
In fact, sometimes, especiallywhen we first started our
business, we would start talkingabout possible sponsors and I
would say, okay, maybe we can goto my hairstylist, maybe we can
(01:03):
go to my wheelchair mechanic.
Jason Shelfer (01:07):
The local mechanic.
Jana Shelfer (01:08):
And next, thing, I know Jason would be like, oh
yeah, and Disney and.
Jason Shelfer (01:11):
Nike, nike.
Jana Shelfer (01:13):
And Netflix would want to sponsor us.
Jason Shelfer (01:15):
Delta or Southwest Airlines?
Jana Shelfer (01:17):
Yeah, Jason starts going big time.
Yeah, and next.
Thing you know, we're likeflying to Mars.
Jason Shelfer (01:24):
That's right.
That's right.
We're Elon musking it.
Jana Shelfer (01:28):
So what is your advice in trying to balance
dreaming big and yet beinggrounded, because that's really
what we're talking about.
Jason Shelfer (01:39):
Yeah, and so being grounded.
I think that's a really goodway to visualize it.
So a plane taking off doesn'ttake off in the sky, so being
grounded, and it starts slow andthen ramps up.
So I totally understand yourpoints because we have to build
(02:01):
that traction, build thatmomentum to get the plane off
the ground Right.
But then once it's off theground, theoretically it could
go as high as it wants to go,take the atmosphere and all that
out of it.
Jana Shelfer (02:16):
But we do have and now we're turning into a
scientist, right, and I am not adamn scientist by any means,
like I, will make stuff up in aheartbeat.
Jason Shelfer (02:23):
But we have rockets that leave the
atmosphere and things like that.
So getting things off theground is the goal.
So we can dream as big as wewant.
We're pushing from landing onthe moon to going to Mars.
All this because people aredreaming big and they've got the
momentum, the research and thetrack record that shows them
(02:45):
that they can keep makingprogress.
Jana Shelfer (02:48):
I am all about dreaming big.
Don't get me wrong.
It just feels sometimes likethere is a gap.
Jason Shelfer (02:57):
Yes.
Jana Shelfer (02:58):
There's a gap that people try to jump.
Yeah, and then they miss theconfidence that they build along
the way.
And sometimes we need to makethose baby steps because even if
we take a misstep or we thinkthat we are failing or being
(03:23):
rejected, in those littlemissteps we're building the
perseverance and the resilienceto either keep going or or say
it's not worth it.
Jason Shelfer (03:34):
Say it's not worth it For me.
I think about our podcast inthis instance.
When we started, I had thesedreams of millions of downloads
right, and for the first twoyears it was such slow running
it was.
You could define it as cricketsbecause it was like a chirp
here, chirp there, not even ourmoms, our parents.
Jana Shelfer (03:58):
They were like we don't know how to find it we
don't know how to find it.
We would even grab their phonesand like download it for them,
and they would still be like Idon't know how to listen.
And now we would even grabtheir phones and like download
it for them, and they wouldstill be like I don't know how
to listen.
Jason Shelfer (04:06):
And now it's.
I don't understand what you'resaying, but now we're at 200,000
plus downloads, and so that'sso much closer to the million,
and it just keeps growing.
So I'm like so now that dreamis becoming a reality and really
we were just having fun.
I know Like it's not even alike.
(04:28):
This isn't the serious nuts andbolts broadcast here.
It's us hashing things out andsaying how we've grown through
certain situations.
Jana Shelfer (04:38):
Okay, here's the thing.
I think there's a couple thingshere.
So when you dream too big, Imean you want your dreams to be
big, because that's what fuelsthe motivation and the
excitement within right.
So you want it a little bit ofout of reach, because that's
(04:58):
what gets the blood flowing.
However, when it's too far outof reach, then it feels like you
start losing control momentum.
Jason Shelfer (05:11):
You start losing motivation because you don't see
results yeah, and we tellourselves it's out of reach.
Jana Shelfer (05:18):
And there's also the probability of experiencing
some sort of disappointmentalong the way, because
expectations start to flare up,even though we talk about let go
of expectations.
Let go of expectations, noexpectations.
(05:39):
Go in with an open mind.
It's human to you build a dream, build some sort of vision.
It is only human to startenvisioning what that will look
like, what that will smell like,taste like, and when it is
something that is entirelydifferent, it can sometimes feel
(06:02):
like, ah, this isn't reallywhat I wanted and it wasn't what
I thought it was going to beyeah.
Jason Shelfer (06:10):
So one of the people I think about is Thomas
Edison.
Like he had this dream oflighting up a light bulb and
having electricity all over theplace and 10,000 tries, like
10,000 experiments that failedRight, and that, to me, is the
story of disappointment.
(06:31):
Like he's getting the materials, he's plugging it in or
whatever he did back then, andthe light bulb's blowing or it's
just not working, filaments arecrashing and we can tell
ourselves the story that I'm notmaking progress, or we can tell
the story that we tell often.
What did I learn here?
How did I get closer?
Like I know now that that's onemore way that doesn't work.
(06:52):
That's what he was tellinghimself.
I know now that that's one moreway that doesn't work.
That's what he was tellinghimself was.
Oh, there's one more way thatdoesn't work.
So I've got to be gettingcloser to the way that works.
Now that's a little differentbecause it's a specific item
that he's trying to do.
When we're trying to create ourown reality and the reality is
(07:13):
far from what we might currentlysee Then we just start finding
those little places where wenotice it.
To me, like when you had me doa gratitude journal because,
honestly, my reality was notclose to what I had hoped for
when we started this personaldevelopment journey.
But I started doing thatgratitude journal and I started
(07:36):
realizing where things weregoing well and how just lucky I
was like, how beautiful my lifewas.
Jana Shelfer (07:46):
Yeah, I feel like you're derailing a little bit,
because when I when I thinkpeople are saying I don't know
how to balance reality with thedreaming, I feel like you know,
when people say, let's get,let's get real here, let's,
let's bring this down to reality, I don't think they're trying
to deflate your dreams.
(08:07):
I don't think they're trying tonot be supportive.
I think what they're, whatthey're really trying to do, is
actually the opposite.
They're trying to be moresupportive by saying, hey, let's
chunk this down so that youstart seeing success immediately
.
Jason Shelfer (08:24):
Yeah.
So what if we redefine realityas what's the next step I can
take right now?
Jana Shelfer (08:33):
Yeah, I still don't.
Jason Shelfer (08:34):
I still think how is that?
I mean, that's real, that'srealistic.
Jana Shelfer (08:37):
Yeah, but okay.
Jason Shelfer (08:42):
Well, tell me.
Jana Shelfer (08:43):
Well, I mean, as we started this, jason and I
often have this argument,because you often dream so big
that and you're a workhorse andyou will work toward a goal and
not see results for 20 years, I,on the other hand, I, I fizzle
(09:07):
out.
I mean, if I don't start seeingresults, it starts thinking.
I start feeling I lose interest, I lose um motivation time
money.
I mean there's, there'sintangible resources that I I
start thinking, okay, this justisn't what God wants for me.
Jason Shelfer (09:30):
Right.
Jana Shelfer (09:31):
This is not my destiny and sometimes I feel
like you don't understand thatperspective because you
literally will be broke andliterally have calluses on your
hands, feet, Completely I meanseriously.
(09:52):
We've been in situations whereJason is inebriated or
completely.
His feet are completelysunburned and, like you,
literally cannot go on andyou're like I got one more.
Jason Shelfer (10:06):
I got one more.
I don't have a wallet.
Jana Shelfer (10:08):
I don't have a phone, but I can walk 10 miles.
Yeah, I got it One more mile.
Jason Shelfer (10:13):
And.
Jana Shelfer (10:13):
I, I'm the one that steps in and says no, like
no no more yeah and I know thatthere's times in our, in our
life, whether it be ourrelationship or our, our career,
or our finances, or our fun orour friends I mean almost in
(10:36):
every sector like you're the onethat's like, and we need each
other because we balance eachother out, because you're the
one that's like, jana, you cango a little more, you can go a
little more, and I'm the onethat's like, I'm done.
Jason Shelfer (10:53):
It's time to go home, relax a minute, get our
breather, do some meditation.
Yeah, right, yeah, and it's thesame argument when it comes to
dreaming and being real.
Jana Shelfer (11:07):
I mean, it's the same argument that I'm talking
about.
It's like there's a delusionthere where.
Jason Shelfer (11:15):
So I don't think it's a delusion.
So to me, when I was doing theCamino de Santiago and I
literally got myself lost sixmiles out of the way, which is a
12-mile round trip, and I'mwalking and I'm up and down
these mountains and I'm going,it can't be done.
That was the thought.
(11:37):
I was crying by myself on thistrail and I started thinking it
can't be done.
But then I was also thinkingI've scheduled to check into
this hotel or this hostel,whatever it was, and I need to
be there by this certain time.
But, I was like I can't goanymore.
(11:59):
But because I had that, thisgoal, literally I looked at my
feet and I begged them to justkeep putting one foot in front
of the other.
So I don't think it'sdelusional.
I hear you, though.
Sometimes I sacrifice myself-care, my personal care.
I don't take into account allaspects of a holistic life, in
(12:23):
that it's kind of like I go intosurvival mode and say-.
Jana Shelfer (12:27):
You have a boundary that is at a different
level than I do and, at the sametime, I have a boundary that I
feel is at a different levelthan you do, because on the
Camino I literally could havesaid, screw it, I'm going to
stay at the next place I find,which would have been honestly
(12:52):
healthier.
Jason Shelfer (12:53):
It would have gave me time to check and see
what, like talk to somebody andsay where am I?
Also, how far off track am I?
And I could have really gainedmore information.
But I did know where I wasquote unquote supposed to be or
where I had planned on being,and I wasn't willing to deviate.
(13:14):
And so I had to beg myself, begmy feet.
Can you just keep putting onefoot in front of the other?
And that was literally the onlything in my head at that point.
Jana Shelfer (13:24):
Instead of saying I can't, I started saying one
more step, one more step untilabout dreaming big, and I mean,
I've had some dreams inside methat are pretty, pretty
ginormous.
Jason Shelfer (13:43):
Audacious.
Jana Shelfer (13:44):
They are.
They're pretty audacious andthere is a voice inside me that
is almost sometimes grandiose.
Don't get me wrong.
I get that.
I also have a.
I want to say it's a littlemore of a quick trip maybe.
Jason Shelfer (14:06):
Yeah, Like a.
Who do you think you are?
Is that the voice?
No?
Jana Shelfer (14:10):
it's a quick trip that says, if I don't think this
is working.
Jason Shelfer (14:17):
Oh, okay, yeah.
Jana Shelfer (14:19):
If I think, okay, this doesn't feel right.
Jason Shelfer (14:22):
If I invest X amount of time, money, resources
, whatever.
Jana Shelfer (14:26):
And I'm not getting any kind of and I'm not
getting the responses that Iwant, then I'm out.
Well then, maybe it's time topivot, Pivot yeah, I pivot a
little quicker than you do.
Whereas you I mean you wouldspend the next 50 years and I'm
(14:46):
like okay, wait, I don't have 50years, I do not have 50 years,
I maybe have five it's hardbecause one of the things for me
is it's very hard for me torecognize rejection outside of
um like the immediate peoplethat I care about.
Jason Shelfer (15:03):
So like if I get a look or something like that
and then honestly, a lot oftimes those looks um say um,
prove them.
Like if it's, if it's worth itto me, prove it, prove that you
can do it.
Jana Shelfer (15:18):
So, like I know we're talking about your client,
but when your client says youknow they want to balance
dreaming big and reality, mostpeople for reality.
They need to pay the bills.
Jason Shelfer (15:30):
Yep.
Jana Shelfer (15:31):
Or they have a limited amount of energy, or
they have a limited amount oftime.
Or they have a limited amountof time or they have a limited
amount of resources.
Jason Shelfer (15:43):
Everybody has this right, and so that's where
it's like help find the supportgroup.
It's knowing what is importantfor you Know what the most
important things are andsticking in that value trend and
also knowing what yourdefinitions are, define what
reality is for you and then getproficient in the reality zone
(16:09):
and then keep stepping further.
To me it's like a comfort zoneWhere's your comfort zone?
And then just push the edgesevery now and then, I guess, as
much as you can, because that'swhere the growth happens, like
dream.
I love that you dream big and Idream big because it I think it
does take us to the next level,it does take us out there, and
I love the fact that you bringus kind of home and you're
(16:32):
saying, hey, let's, let's begrounded in this and and let's
let's not go chasing windmills.
Jana Shelfer (16:39):
I sometimes don't think and I feel like that's
what your client was needing,and and again.
The only reason I see that isbecause and I don't want to, I
don't want to be the the, Idon't want to be known as the
anchor, you know that pulls usdown.
However, I do feel it'simportant to be grounded,
otherwise you're just.
You're just the electric thewire.
(17:02):
That's crazy or the hose that'sflailing in the air.
Jason Shelfer (17:14):
Yes, you're just the hose, that's flailing if
you're not grounded in whatyou're trying to accomplish.
I think that's's the.
I think that's where we'vereally come together and
excelled, because our balancebetween each other, with the
what is it we truly want, whatis on the path to where we're
going, and then- I think we canbe better.
Yes, we always can be better.
I really think we can be better.
Jana Shelfer (17:34):
And you know what?
I feel like we need to listento this conversation again,
because I feel like justlistening to ourselves talk will
probably give us an aha moment.
I'm sure it will.
Jason Shelfer (17:43):
It always does, and that's why we do this.
Jana Shelfer (17:46):
Thanks for joining us.
Jason Shelfer (17:46):
Keep Living Lucky®, bye-bye.
Jana Shelfer (17:48):
Bye-bye.
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Let's spin that doom loop ofnegativity into an upward
success cycle and start LivingLucky®.
Good morning.
I'm Jana, I'm Jason and we areLiving Lucky®.
You are too.
All right, Jason.
(00:21):
What is it that you wanna talkabout today?
Jason Shelfer (00:23):
So I had a client today that was curious about
how they balance reality withdreaming big.
Jana Shelfer (00:31):
Which we struggle with all the time we talk about
it all the time.
Jason Shelfer (00:35):
Yes, I dream way out beyond the clouds, and you
do too, but you also like to bevery pragmatic.
Jana Shelfer (00:42):
We both are dreamers.
I would say I am more of arealist when it comes to the two
of us.
In fact, sometimes, especiallywhen we first started our
business, we would start talkingabout possible sponsors and I
would say, okay, maybe we can goto my hairstylist, maybe we can
(01:03):
go to my wheelchair mechanic.
Jason Shelfer (01:07):
The local mechanic.
Jana Shelfer (01:08):
And next, thing, I know Jason would be like, oh
yeah, and Disney and.
Jason Shelfer (01:11):
Nike, nike.
Jana Shelfer (01:13):
And Netflix would want to sponsor us.
Jason Shelfer (01:15):
Delta or Southwest Airlines?
Jana Shelfer (01:17):
Yeah, Jason starts going big time.
Yeah, and next.
Thing you know, we're likeflying to Mars.
Jason Shelfer (01:24):
That's right.
That's right.
We're Elon musking it.
Jana Shelfer (01:28):
So what is your advice in trying to balance
dreaming big and yet beinggrounded, because that's really
what we're talking about.
Jason Shelfer (01:39):
Yeah, and so being grounded.
I think that's a really goodway to visualize it.
So a plane taking off doesn'ttake off in the sky, so being
grounded, and it starts slow andthen ramps up.
So I totally understand yourpoints because we have to build
(02:01):
that traction, build thatmomentum to get the plane off
the ground Right.
But then once it's off theground, theoretically it could
go as high as it wants to go,take the atmosphere and all that
out of it.
Jana Shelfer (02:16):
But we do have and now we're turning into a
scientist, right, and I am not adamn scientist by any means,
like I, will make stuff up in aheartbeat.
Jason Shelfer (02:23):
But we have rockets that leave the
atmosphere and things like that.
So getting things off theground is the goal.
So we can dream as big as wewant.
We're pushing from landing onthe moon to going to Mars.
All this because people aredreaming big and they've got the
momentum, the research and thetrack record that shows them
(02:45):
that they can keep makingprogress.
Jana Shelfer (02:48):
I am all about dreaming big.
Don't get me wrong.
It just feels sometimes likethere is a gap.
Jason Shelfer (02:57):
Yes.
Jana Shelfer (02:58):
There's a gap that people try to jump.
Yeah, and then they miss theconfidence that they build along
the way.
And sometimes we need to makethose baby steps because even if
we take a misstep or we thinkthat we are failing or being
(03:23):
rejected, in those littlemissteps we're building the
perseverance and the resilienceto either keep going or or say
it's not worth it.
Jason Shelfer (03:34):
Say it's not worth it For me.
I think about our podcast inthis instance.
When we started, I had thesedreams of millions of downloads
right, and for the first twoyears it was such slow running
it was.
You could define it as cricketsbecause it was like a chirp
here, chirp there, not even ourmoms, our parents.
Jana Shelfer (03:58):
They were like we don't know how to find it we
don't know how to find it.
We would even grab their phonesand like download it for them,
and they would still be like Idon't know how to listen.
And now we would even grabtheir phones and like download
it for them, and they wouldstill be like I don't know how
to listen.
Jason Shelfer (04:06):
And now it's.
I don't understand what you'resaying, but now we're at 200,000
plus downloads, and so that'sso much closer to the million,
and it just keeps growing.
So I'm like so now that dreamis becoming a reality and really
we were just having fun.
I know Like it's not even alike.
(04:28):
This isn't the serious nuts andbolts broadcast here.
It's us hashing things out andsaying how we've grown through
certain situations.
Jana Shelfer (04:38):
Okay, here's the thing.
I think there's a couple thingshere.
So when you dream too big, Imean you want your dreams to be
big, because that's what fuelsthe motivation and the
excitement within right.
So you want it a little bit ofout of reach, because that's
(04:58):
what gets the blood flowing.
However, when it's too far outof reach, then it feels like you
start losing control momentum.
Jason Shelfer (05:11):
You start losing motivation because you don't see
results yeah, and we tellourselves it's out of reach.
Jana Shelfer (05:18):
And there's also the probability of experiencing
some sort of disappointmentalong the way, because
expectations start to flare up,even though we talk about let go
of expectations.
Let go of expectations, noexpectations.
(05:39):
Go in with an open mind.
It's human to you build a dream, build some sort of vision.
It is only human to startenvisioning what that will look
like, what that will smell like,taste like, and when it is
something that is entirelydifferent, it can sometimes feel
(06:02):
like, ah, this isn't reallywhat I wanted and it wasn't what
I thought it was going to beyeah.
Jason Shelfer (06:10):
So one of the people I think about is Thomas
Edison.
Like he had this dream oflighting up a light bulb and
having electricity all over theplace and 10,000 tries, like
10,000 experiments that failedRight, and that, to me, is the
story of disappointment.
(06:31):
Like he's getting the materials, he's plugging it in or
whatever he did back then, andthe light bulb's blowing or it's
just not working, filaments arecrashing and we can tell
ourselves the story that I'm notmaking progress, or we can tell
the story that we tell often.
What did I learn here?
How did I get closer?
Like I know now that that's onemore way that doesn't work.
(06:52):
That's what he was tellinghimself.
I know now that that's one moreway that doesn't work.
That's what he was tellinghimself was.
Oh, there's one more way thatdoesn't work.
So I've got to be gettingcloser to the way that works.
Now that's a little differentbecause it's a specific item
that he's trying to do.
When we're trying to create ourown reality and the reality is
(07:13):
far from what we might currentlysee Then we just start finding
those little places where wenotice it.
To me, like when you had me doa gratitude journal because,
honestly, my reality was notclose to what I had hoped for
when we started this personaldevelopment journey.
But I started doing thatgratitude journal and I started
(07:36):
realizing where things weregoing well and how just lucky I
was like, how beautiful my lifewas.
Jana Shelfer (07:46):
Yeah, I feel like you're derailing a little bit,
because when I when I thinkpeople are saying I don't know
how to balance reality with thedreaming, I feel like you know,
when people say, let's get,let's get real here, let's,
let's bring this down to reality, I don't think they're trying
to deflate your dreams.
(08:07):
I don't think they're trying tonot be supportive.
I think what they're, whatthey're really trying to do, is
actually the opposite.
They're trying to be moresupportive by saying, hey, let's
chunk this down so that youstart seeing success immediately
.
Jason Shelfer (08:24):
Yeah.
So what if we redefine realityas what's the next step I can
take right now?
Jana Shelfer (08:33):
Yeah, I still don't.
Jason Shelfer (08:34):
I still think how is that?
I mean, that's real, that'srealistic.
Jana Shelfer (08:37):
Yeah, but okay.
Jason Shelfer (08:42):
Well, tell me.
Jana Shelfer (08:43):
Well, I mean, as we started this, jason and I
often have this argument,because you often dream so big
that and you're a workhorse andyou will work toward a goal and
not see results for 20 years, I,on the other hand, I, I fizzle
(09:07):
out.
I mean, if I don't start seeingresults, it starts thinking.
I start feeling I lose interest, I lose um motivation time
money.
I mean there's, there'sintangible resources that I I
start thinking, okay, this justisn't what God wants for me.
Jason Shelfer (09:30):
Right.
Jana Shelfer (09:31):
This is not my destiny and sometimes I feel
like you don't understand thatperspective because you
literally will be broke andliterally have calluses on your
hands, feet, Completely I meanseriously.
(09:52):
We've been in situations whereJason is inebriated or
completely.
His feet are completelysunburned and, like you,
literally cannot go on andyou're like I got one more.
Jason Shelfer (10:06):
I got one more.
I don't have a wallet.
Jana Shelfer (10:08):
I don't have a phone, but I can walk 10 miles.
Yeah, I got it One more mile.
Jason Shelfer (10:13):
And.
Jana Shelfer (10:13):
I, I'm the one that steps in and says no, like
no no more yeah and I know thatthere's times in our, in our
life, whether it be ourrelationship or our, our career,
or our finances, or our fun orour friends I mean almost in
(10:36):
every sector like you're the onethat's like, and we need each
other because we balance eachother out, because you're the
one that's like, jana, you cango a little more, you can go a
little more, and I'm the onethat's like, I'm done.
Jason Shelfer (10:53):
It's time to go home, relax a minute, get our
breather, do some meditation.
Yeah, right, yeah, and it's thesame argument when it comes to
dreaming and being real.
Jana Shelfer (11:07):
I mean, it's the same argument that I'm talking
about.
It's like there's a delusionthere where.
Jason Shelfer (11:15):
So I don't think it's a delusion.
So to me, when I was doing theCamino de Santiago and I
literally got myself lost sixmiles out of the way, which is a
12-mile round trip, and I'mwalking and I'm up and down
these mountains and I'm going,it can't be done.
That was the thought.
(11:37):
I was crying by myself on thistrail and I started thinking it
can't be done.
But then I was also thinkingI've scheduled to check into
this hotel or this hostel,whatever it was, and I need to
be there by this certain time.
But, I was like I can't goanymore.
(11:59):
But because I had that, thisgoal, literally I looked at my
feet and I begged them to justkeep putting one foot in front
of the other.
So I don't think it'sdelusional.
I hear you, though.
Sometimes I sacrifice myself-care, my personal care.
I don't take into account allaspects of a holistic life, in
(12:23):
that it's kind of like I go intosurvival mode and say-.
Jana Shelfer (12:27):
You have a boundary that is at a different
level than I do and, at the sametime, I have a boundary that I
feel is at a different levelthan you do, because on the
Camino I literally could havesaid, screw it, I'm going to
stay at the next place I find,which would have been honestly
(12:52):
healthier.
Jason Shelfer (12:53):
It would have gave me time to check and see
what, like talk to somebody andsay where am I?
Also, how far off track am I?
And I could have really gainedmore information.
But I did know where I wasquote unquote supposed to be or
where I had planned on being,and I wasn't willing to deviate.
(13:14):
And so I had to beg myself, begmy feet.
Can you just keep putting onefoot in front of the other?
And that was literally the onlything in my head at that point.
Jana Shelfer (13:24):
Instead of saying I can't, I started saying one
more step, one more step untilabout dreaming big, and I mean,
I've had some dreams inside methat are pretty, pretty
ginormous.
Jason Shelfer (13:43):
Audacious.
Jana Shelfer (13:44):
They are.
They're pretty audacious andthere is a voice inside me that
is almost sometimes grandiose.
Don't get me wrong.
I get that.
I also have a.
I want to say it's a littlemore of a quick trip maybe.
Jason Shelfer (14:06):
Yeah, Like a.
Who do you think you are?
Is that the voice?
No?
Jana Shelfer (14:10):
it's a quick trip that says, if I don't think this
is working.
Jason Shelfer (14:17):
Oh, okay, yeah.
Jana Shelfer (14:19):
If I think, okay, this doesn't feel right.
Jason Shelfer (14:22):
If I invest X amount of time, money, resources
, whatever.
Jana Shelfer (14:26):
And I'm not getting any kind of and I'm not
getting the responses that Iwant, then I'm out.
Well then, maybe it's time topivot, Pivot yeah, I pivot a
little quicker than you do.
Whereas you I mean you wouldspend the next 50 years and I'm
(14:46):
like okay, wait, I don't have 50years, I do not have 50 years,
I maybe have five it's hardbecause one of the things for me
is it's very hard for me torecognize rejection outside of
um like the immediate peoplethat I care about.
Jason Shelfer (15:03):
So like if I get a look or something like that
and then honestly, a lot oftimes those looks um say um,
prove them.
Like if it's, if it's worth itto me, prove it, prove that you
can do it.
Jana Shelfer (15:18):
So, like I know we're talking about your client,
but when your client says youknow they want to balance
dreaming big and reality, mostpeople for reality.
They need to pay the bills.
Jason Shelfer (15:30):
Yep.
Jana Shelfer (15:31):
Or they have a limited amount of energy, or
they have a limited amount oftime.
Or they have a limited amountof time or they have a limited
amount of resources.
Jason Shelfer (15:43):
Everybody has this right, and so that's where
it's like help find the supportgroup.
It's knowing what is importantfor you Know what the most
important things are andsticking in that value trend and
also knowing what yourdefinitions are, define what
reality is for you and then getproficient in the reality zone
(16:09):
and then keep stepping further.
To me it's like a comfort zoneWhere's your comfort zone?
And then just push the edgesevery now and then, I guess, as
much as you can, because that'swhere the growth happens, like
dream.
I love that you dream big and Idream big because it I think it
does take us to the next level,it does take us out there, and
I love the fact that you bringus kind of home and you're
(16:32):
saying, hey, let's, let's begrounded in this and and let's
let's not go chasing windmills.
Jana Shelfer (16:39):
I sometimes don't think and I feel like that's
what your client was needing,and and again.
The only reason I see that isbecause and I don't want to, I
don't want to be the the, Idon't want to be known as the
anchor, you know that pulls usdown.
However, I do feel it'simportant to be grounded,
otherwise you're just.
You're just the electric thewire.
(17:02):
That's crazy or the hose that'sflailing in the air.
Jason Shelfer (17:14):
Yes, you're just the hose, that's flailing if
you're not grounded in whatyou're trying to accomplish.
I think that's's the.
I think that's where we'vereally come together and
excelled, because our balancebetween each other, with the
what is it we truly want, whatis on the path to where we're
going, and then- I think we canbe better.
Yes, we always can be better.
I really think we can be better.
Jana Shelfer (17:34):
And you know what?
I feel like we need to listento this conversation again,
because I feel like justlistening to ourselves talk will
probably give us an aha moment.
I'm sure it will.
Jason Shelfer (17:43):
It always does, and that's why we do this.
Jana Shelfer (17:46):
Thanks for joining us.
Jason Shelfer (17:46):
Keep Living Lucky®, bye-bye.
Jana Shelfer (17:48):
Bye-bye.
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