November 17, 2025 • 13 mins
Little by Little: Beat Panic, Master Big Goals, and Conquer the Mountain (Living Lucky® Podcast)
A dream trip turned into a 30+ hour endurance test became our self-help playbook for managing anxiety and any big goal. Discover the mindset shifts and micro-wins that transform the doom loop of negativity into grounded resilience.
You'll master:
- Silence the ANTS: How to stop Automatic Negative Thoughts (ANTS) from amplifying panic (even at 35,000 feet).
- Reframe Discomfort: Discomfort is data, not danger. Use box breathing to instantly reset a spiraling nervous system.
- Chunk the Goal: Break massive challenges into bite-sized pieces—"little by little, the hill is behind you."
Hear how asking for help is wise resource management and why moving beats perfect every time. The dream is bigger than you think, but you are ready.
Actionable Takeaways for Resilience & Goal Mastery:
- Biggest Blessing: The climb's difficulty is often a blessing, proving how strong and resilient you are.
- Chunking the Mountain: Conquer goals with micro-wins. Celebrate every tiny finish to build momentum and self-trust.
- Battling ANTS: Recognize ANTS (irritation $\rightarrow$ full alarm). Don't breathe life into the thought—you are bigger than it.
- Discomfort is Data: Most discomfort is a signal, not a disaster. Manage it with posture, hydration, or box breathing.
- Power of Partnership: Asking for help grounds you. Naming the storm out loud brings relief.
- Moving Beats Perfect: Execution, piece by piece, moves mountains. You don't have to do it pretty.
Hit play to turn overwhelming journeys into quiet, powerful victories!
- What are Automatic Negative Thoughts (ANTS) and how to stop them. Best breathing techniques for panic and anxiety (box breathing). How to use chunking to achieve big goals. Mindset for handling travel delays and frustration. Discomfort is data not danger concept. "What are Automatic Negative Thoughts (ANTS)?" "How can I use breathing to stop a panic attack?" "How do you chunk a large goal into manageable steps?" "What is the difference between discomfort and danger in a high-stress situatio
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Jana Shelfer (00:00):
Are you ready to create a life you crave?
Let's spin that doom loop ofnegativity into an upward
success cycle and startLiving Lucky®.
Good morning.
I'm Jana.
I'm Jason.
And we are Living Lucky®.
You are too.
We are recording from Moala,Australia.
Jason Shelfer (00:24):
How do you like us from down under?
Jana Shelfer (00:29):
It's not quite what we imagined, but we have
seen kangaroos.
Jason Shelfer (00:34):
It is definitely not what I imagined.
Jana Shelfer (00:36):
We saw about four of them dead on the side of the
road.
That was sad.
Jason Shelfer (00:40):
That was not what my vision of kangaroos was
gonna be.
And getting here was quite thejourney.
Oh my gosh.
I didn't know Australia couldpossibly, possibly be so far
away.
Jana Shelfer (00:52):
So we had a five-hour flight to LA, and then
from LA to Sydney was uh 15hours and 40 minutes.
Jason Shelfer (01:03):
So almost 16 hours.
Jana Shelfer (01:05):
And then from a half hour delay from Sydney to
Melbourne was another hour and ahalf two hours.
And then from Melbourne toMoala.
Jason Shelfer (01:15):
Was three and a half, four hours.
Jana Shelfer (01:17):
Almost four hours.
We literally, it felt like wewere never gonna end our travel
day.
Jason Shelfer (01:24):
Yeah I I didn't do the math as we were adding
all that up, but it was over 30hours of travel.
Jana Shelfer (01:29):
What started out as okay, yeah, we've got a plane
ride and we're gonna have acouple connections.
I can handle this.
Ended up being plane ridesbefore.
Oh my gosh.
I've gone to the bathroom fivetimes on a plane.
I smell that should be the nameof a book.
Jason Shelfer (01:44):
I went to the bathroom on a plane five times.
Jana Shelfer (01:47):
Five.
Five times.
Jason Shelfer (01:49):
I and it doesn't, it doesn't compute until you've
done it in a wheelchair.
Jana Shelfer (01:54):
Uh-uh.
Well, exactly.
I mean, I tried to avoid that.
I was literally not drinkinganything, so I could avoid that
whole experience.
Jason Shelfer (02:03):
You get on the plane looking like a raisin.
Jana Shelfer (02:06):
And then we came off the plane smelling like a
raisin, a rotten one.
Jason Shelfer (02:11):
I'll tell you what.
Jana Shelfer (02:12):
My hair was greasy.
Like that's how long we flew.
Jason Shelfer (02:15):
Here's your pro trap travel tip.
Jana Shelfer (02:16):
Yes.
Jason Shelfer (02:17):
Take a travel size thing and deodorant,
because even if you don't needit, somebody that you're gonna
be next to on a 30-hour trip isgonna need it.
I I needed it.
Jana Shelfer (02:26):
I could not believe I'm like, it has been
literally 48 hours since we'veshowered now, and we have been
all cooped up and next to peoplebreathe in a in a traveling
fart box.
Jason Shelfer (02:40):
Recycled air fart box.
Jana Shelfer (02:43):
So I guess the message for today is you know,
it may be a blessing sometimeswhen we don't know how hard the
climb is going to be.
Yeah, it was how big the dreamis.
Maybe it's a message.
We had no idea how big thisjourney was.
(03:04):
And to say that we had no idea,I mean, we imagine we talked
about it.
Jason Shelfer (03:08):
I mean, you can look at it on a globe and you
can look at it on a map.
I've been to Australia before.
That's the thing.
Jana Shelfer (03:14):
This is your third trip.
This is my third time toAustralia, and yet it felt like
this travel day was never goingto end.
This is like the journey of alife to the point where when we
landed in Sydney, I literallysaid to Jason, we either need to
get a hotel here and justcancel our flights and maybe
(03:34):
rent a car tomorrow and justdrive the rest of the way.
That's how tired of traveling Iam.
Jason Shelfer (03:40):
Well, here's the dilemma.
So get to Sydney and we have atwo-hour layover plus an hour
and a half flight, and then athree and a half hour drive, or
it's a six and a half hour drivefrom Sydney to Mawala and keep
a car for three and a halfweeks.
Jana Shelfer (04:00):
Okay.
So enough of us complaining.
The whole message that I wantto get across is sometimes the
dream is bigger than what weimagine in our heads.
And again, that is a blessingbecause you can do it.
You can handle it.
The universe only gives youwhat you can handle.
Jason Shelfer (04:21):
And we took it on leg by leg.
So one piece of the trip at atime, and we conquered them.
Jana Shelfer (04:29):
And some of the legs were short, which can be
applied to any goal that we wantto accomplish if we chunk it
down into little bite-sizedpieces or morsels, then all of a
sudden, before we know it, wehave swallowed the whole frog.
Jason Shelfer (04:48):
And I will be honest, when we got on that 15
and a half hour flight from LAto Australia, yes, we were no
more than 45 minutes to an hourinto that flight.
Yeah.
And I I was in a full bump,full-blown inside panic attack.
Like my in my insides wereready to be on my outside.
Jana Shelfer (05:10):
It was wait, does that mean you were nauseous,
sick, you were?
Jason Shelfer (05:14):
I was I was so you had anxiety.
I had anxiety, claustrophobia,my feet were burning, like my
legs were I had restless legsyndrome, like all these things
were happening internally.
I know this about you.
I I I didn't want to verbalizeit because I didn't want to give
it life.
And it wasn't, I wasn't tryingto push that feeling down.
(05:35):
You were just trying to workthrough it.
Work through it and let it go.
Jana Shelfer (05:39):
And you were like, we have 14 more hours of this.
Right.
Jason Shelfer (05:42):
And in my brain, so there were there was this
thought of I can't.
Like literally, that was thethought.
And we're in the air already.
Jana Shelfer (05:50):
So it's like I wish you would have confided in
me because that would have maybemade me feel valuable in being
able to help you in that moment.
Jason Shelfer (05:59):
I I I understand that, but so there was a part of
me that wanted to share thatwith you.
And the other part of me was Ican't let these thoughts
continue.
I'm proud of you.
And if I let the thoughtscontinue, and if I keep and if I
if I verbalize that thought,I'm giving it breath.
You are bigger than yourthoughts.
(06:20):
Right.
You are greater.
So what I had to do was say,I'm in this, I can do it.
Yes.
And this is just a feeling thatwill that will pass.
And I've done this before, I'vebeen through this before.
Jana Shelfer (06:34):
This is the similar thing that happened to
you the last time we went scubadiving.
Jason Shelfer (06:38):
Yes, it was very much the same thing.
Jana Shelfer (06:40):
You were like, I can't do this.
Jason Shelfer (06:42):
And when we're 60 to 90 feet underwater, I have
that almost that sameclaustrophobic feeling of bad
things are about to happen here.
Oh my gosh.
I need to get out of thissituation and get back to the
kind of the quote unquotecontrollable.
And being able to move, likereally open air.
Jana Shelfer (07:03):
Okay, so let's talk about that.
How did you work through thatinternally?
Jason Shelfer (07:08):
First, the first thing was I I tried to not have
any more of those negativethoughts.
Jana Shelfer (07:15):
Okay.
Like so negative, we call thoseants.
We call them automatic negativethoughts.
Jason Shelfer (07:22):
Yes.
So I was having these automaticnegative thoughts that were
manifesting in physical painsand physical, physical
sensations throughout my body.
Jana Shelfer (07:32):
Ants, just like ants do.
Jason Shelfer (07:34):
Like my feet were burning, my legs were itching.
Like again, just like ants.
I needed to get up and move.
So I'm not I wanted to havemore leg room, more seat room.
I want we wanted, I wanted tobe in first class.
That didn't happen.
Now we weren't in bad seats.
No, we were in the secondclass.
Yeah, we were in premium uhcomfort.
Jana Shelfer (07:54):
Yes.
Jason Shelfer (07:55):
And but I had someone on my left, I had you on
my right, you know, it was likeI I still was I felt bunched.
Yes.
And there was for some reasonthere was this thing, like this
rod from the seat in front ofme, right in the middle of my
feet.
And that made me uncomfortable.
Yeah, it was in front of me myfeet too.
Right.
So that something about thatthrew me off a little bit.
(08:18):
I don't know why.
Jana Shelfer (08:19):
And sometimes it's the littlest things, right?
Because that threw me off.
All of this.
Because I couldn't, I alwaysput my cushion underneath in the
and sometimes in life in frontof me.
Jason Shelfer (08:29):
It's the little thing that throws me, throws you
off.
Yeah.
It is.
It's not the big thing.
The big thing, you're like, ohshit, big things happen.
Oh my gosh.
Jana Shelfer (08:37):
Again, I wish you would have, I wish you would
have confided in me in thatmoment because we could have
laughed about that.
Because that bar was throwingme off.
Jason Shelfer (08:46):
And it threw the guy to my left off, too.
Because he kept taking yourspace.
Well, he can't he he wanted toput his shoes over there, and
like I was like, uh pal.
Like, I've got 12 seats.
It's not coming over here.
You're gonna have to use likethere's a small woman next to
you, use her space.
I literally felt like my feetcan't even reach the seat in
front of her.
Jana Shelfer (09:06):
No, I couldn't even fit my cup on the one side.
So I was taking up some of yourspace too.
Jason Shelfer (09:12):
It's all like these little things.
So these the the automaticnegative thoughts were coming
in, and I was going, okay, letit come, but also let them go.
Don't breathe life into them.
And also, uh, what are thepositive things that I know?
Like I know I can do this, Iknow I've done it before, I know
everything's gonna be fine, Iknow at some point I will relax,
(09:35):
I will, and and at one point itall kind of started subsiding.
My feet stopped burning, mylegs stopped itching, and I was
able to just breathe.
Jana Shelfer (09:44):
Sometimes breathing, that's what I was
getting at.
Sometimes breathing in thatmoment when you are literally in
the thick of having a panicattack, sometimes just taking
that deep breath in, evencounting, and then doing like a
little box breathing.
Jason Shelfer (10:01):
Yes, right?
Yes.
Now I didn't do the boxbreathing, that would have
helped.
But in the moment, it thatcompletely escaped me.
And I know how importantbreathing is.
Jana Shelfer (10:11):
You only had a life coach sitting right next to
you.
Jason Shelfer (10:14):
And if I would have shared it with you, but
again in 23A, it was right for15 and a half hours.
I mean, that's what uh $15,000worth of coaching right there, I
could have had.
Easy.
Jana Shelfer (10:28):
Sometimes we we don't know what's right in front
of us.
Jason Shelfer (10:31):
We're looking too far in the horizon to see
what's right next to us.
Oh, Jason.
But we did it.
The big thing is, is we hadthis massive, massive trip in
front of us, and we we conqueredit leg by leg.
And after each leg, wecelebrated our wins.
Jana Shelfer (10:48):
We did.
We we did.
I will give us credit therebecause we were like, okay,
let's mark that leg off.
Jason Shelfer (10:54):
We went to the bathroom, we took a little
break, we washed our hands, andwe started the next leg.
Jana Shelfer (10:59):
We did, and we didn't, we didn't do it pretty,
like we were imperfect with oursmelly little bodies and our I
mean there were times when I waslike, oh my gosh, I just need
water, but if I drink water, I'mgonna have to go to the
bathroom again.
Jason Shelfer (11:13):
I think what happened is we had this plan,
yes, and it didn't go perfectly,but we executed on it and we
did it piece by piece.
Jana Shelfer (11:21):
That is true.
And yes, I I'm really proud ofsometimes we are given these
situations to realize how strongand resilient we we really are.
Jason Shelfer (11:36):
Yeah, even down to like the suitcase trackers,
like putting the trackers in thesuitcases, because I was
watching that as we were takingoff, and I was like, okay, well,
one of the bags isn't here.
Okay, but then it was, it justhadn't caught up to the app yet.
Jana Shelfer (11:48):
And also because they put those suitcases down
where the Wi-Fi can't get to it.
And so it takes a while.
Jason Shelfer (11:55):
And it looked like it was still half a mile
away.
Jana Shelfer (11:58):
You did, I did notice your energy change when
you're like, oh you're likesuitcase number four isn't here
yet.
It's getting left behind.
Jason Shelfer (12:07):
It's like, how did I just pay extra for that
bag and it didn't make it?
Jana Shelfer (12:13):
I I mean, seriously, I can't say enough,
even from the packing of theskis, packing up, getting ready
to go to the airport, or eventaking our dog to Sheila.
Jason Shelfer (12:25):
So that so that was another part of like I was
part of the trip.
So that was five hours north ofus in car by car, five hours
back, all in one day.
So a 10-hour drive.
Jana Shelfer (12:36):
But we just kept, little by little, we just kept
marking it out of the plan.
And you know, there's a saying,little by little, the hill is
behind you.
Siddicket, sedicet, llamallama.
Little by little, the hill isbehind you.
Yes, and that is what we havedone.
Now, I I'm not sure I'm makingsense today.
(12:57):
I'm still delusional from thejet lag and the sleep
deprivation and everything thatwe've gone through.
However, we're adjustingslowly.
Jason Shelfer (13:06):
That's right.
And that's and that's what itis.
That's that's reaching thethat's conquering the mountain.
And learning to adapt as yougo.
There you go.
Jana Shelfer (13:14):
Thanks for joining us.
Keep Living Lucky®.
Jason Shelfer (13:16):
Bye bye.
Jana Shelfer (13:19):
If the idea of Living Lucky® appeals to you,
visit us at LivingLucky.com.
Are you ready to create a life you crave?
Let's spin that doom loop ofnegativity into an upward
success cycle and startLiving Lucky®.
Good morning.
I'm Jana.
I'm Jason.
And we are Living Lucky®.
You are too.
We are recording from Moala,Australia.
Jason Shelfer (00:24):
How do you like us from down under?
Jana Shelfer (00:29):
It's not quite what we imagined, but we have
seen kangaroos.
Jason Shelfer (00:34):
It is definitely not what I imagined.
Jana Shelfer (00:36):
We saw about four of them dead on the side of the
road.
That was sad.
Jason Shelfer (00:40):
That was not what my vision of kangaroos was
gonna be.
And getting here was quite thejourney.
Oh my gosh.
I didn't know Australia couldpossibly, possibly be so far
away.
Jana Shelfer (00:52):
So we had a five-hour flight to LA, and then
from LA to Sydney was uh 15hours and 40 minutes.
Jason Shelfer (01:03):
So almost 16 hours.
Jana Shelfer (01:05):
And then from a half hour delay from Sydney to
Melbourne was another hour and ahalf two hours.
And then from Melbourne toMoala.
Jason Shelfer (01:15):
Was three and a half, four hours.
Jana Shelfer (01:17):
Almost four hours.
We literally, it felt like wewere never gonna end our travel
day.
Jason Shelfer (01:24):
Yeah I I didn't do the math as we were adding
all that up, but it was over 30hours of travel.
Jana Shelfer (01:29):
What started out as okay, yeah, we've got a plane
ride and we're gonna have acouple connections.
I can handle this.
Ended up being plane ridesbefore.
Oh my gosh.
I've gone to the bathroom fivetimes on a plane.
I smell that should be the nameof a book.
Jason Shelfer (01:44):
I went to the bathroom on a plane five times.
Jana Shelfer (01:47):
Five.
Five times.
Jason Shelfer (01:49):
I and it doesn't, it doesn't compute until you've
done it in a wheelchair.
Jana Shelfer (01:54):
Uh-uh.
Well, exactly.
I mean, I tried to avoid that.
I was literally not drinkinganything, so I could avoid that
whole experience.
Jason Shelfer (02:03):
You get on the plane looking like a raisin.
Jana Shelfer (02:06):
And then we came off the plane smelling like a
raisin, a rotten one.
Jason Shelfer (02:11):
I'll tell you what.
Jana Shelfer (02:12):
My hair was greasy.
Like that's how long we flew.
Jason Shelfer (02:15):
Here's your pro trap travel tip.
Jana Shelfer (02:16):
Yes.
Jason Shelfer (02:17):
Take a travel size thing and deodorant,
because even if you don't needit, somebody that you're gonna
be next to on a 30-hour trip isgonna need it.
I I needed it.
Jana Shelfer (02:26):
I could not believe I'm like, it has been
literally 48 hours since we'veshowered now, and we have been
all cooped up and next to peoplebreathe in a in a traveling
fart box.
Jason Shelfer (02:40):
Recycled air fart box.
Jana Shelfer (02:43):
So I guess the message for today is you know,
it may be a blessing sometimeswhen we don't know how hard the
climb is going to be.
Yeah, it was how big the dreamis.
Maybe it's a message.
We had no idea how big thisjourney was.
(03:04):
And to say that we had no idea,I mean, we imagine we talked
about it.
Jason Shelfer (03:08):
I mean, you can look at it on a globe and you
can look at it on a map.
I've been to Australia before.
That's the thing.
Jana Shelfer (03:14):
This is your third trip.
This is my third time toAustralia, and yet it felt like
this travel day was never goingto end.
This is like the journey of alife to the point where when we
landed in Sydney, I literallysaid to Jason, we either need to
get a hotel here and justcancel our flights and maybe
(03:34):
rent a car tomorrow and justdrive the rest of the way.
That's how tired of traveling Iam.
Jason Shelfer (03:40):
Well, here's the dilemma.
So get to Sydney and we have atwo-hour layover plus an hour
and a half flight, and then athree and a half hour drive, or
it's a six and a half hour drivefrom Sydney to Mawala and keep
a car for three and a halfweeks.
Jana Shelfer (04:00):
Okay.
So enough of us complaining.
The whole message that I wantto get across is sometimes the
dream is bigger than what weimagine in our heads.
And again, that is a blessingbecause you can do it.
You can handle it.
The universe only gives youwhat you can handle.
Jason Shelfer (04:21):
And we took it on leg by leg.
So one piece of the trip at atime, and we conquered them.
Jana Shelfer (04:29):
And some of the legs were short, which can be
applied to any goal that we wantto accomplish if we chunk it
down into little bite-sizedpieces or morsels, then all of a
sudden, before we know it, wehave swallowed the whole frog.
Jason Shelfer (04:48):
And I will be honest, when we got on that 15
and a half hour flight from LAto Australia, yes, we were no
more than 45 minutes to an hourinto that flight.
Yeah.
And I I was in a full bump,full-blown inside panic attack.
Like my in my insides wereready to be on my outside.
Jana Shelfer (05:10):
It was wait, does that mean you were nauseous,
sick, you were?
Jason Shelfer (05:14):
I was I was so you had anxiety.
I had anxiety, claustrophobia,my feet were burning, like my
legs were I had restless legsyndrome, like all these things
were happening internally.
I know this about you.
I I I didn't want to verbalizeit because I didn't want to give
it life.
And it wasn't, I wasn't tryingto push that feeling down.
(05:35):
You were just trying to workthrough it.
Work through it and let it go.
Jana Shelfer (05:39):
And you were like, we have 14 more hours of this.
Right.
Jason Shelfer (05:42):
And in my brain, so there were there was this
thought of I can't.
Like literally, that was thethought.
And we're in the air already.
Jana Shelfer (05:50):
So it's like I wish you would have confided in
me because that would have maybemade me feel valuable in being
able to help you in that moment.
Jason Shelfer (05:59):
I I I understand that, but so there was a part of
me that wanted to share thatwith you.
And the other part of me was Ican't let these thoughts
continue.
I'm proud of you.
And if I let the thoughtscontinue, and if I keep and if I
if I verbalize that thought,I'm giving it breath.
You are bigger than yourthoughts.
(06:20):
Right.
You are greater.
So what I had to do was say,I'm in this, I can do it.
Yes.
And this is just a feeling thatwill that will pass.
And I've done this before, I'vebeen through this before.
Jana Shelfer (06:34):
This is the similar thing that happened to
you the last time we went scubadiving.
Jason Shelfer (06:38):
Yes, it was very much the same thing.
Jana Shelfer (06:40):
You were like, I can't do this.
Jason Shelfer (06:42):
And when we're 60 to 90 feet underwater, I have
that almost that sameclaustrophobic feeling of bad
things are about to happen here.
Oh my gosh.
I need to get out of thissituation and get back to the
kind of the quote unquotecontrollable.
And being able to move, likereally open air.
Jana Shelfer (07:03):
Okay, so let's talk about that.
How did you work through thatinternally?
Jason Shelfer (07:08):
First, the first thing was I I tried to not have
any more of those negativethoughts.
Jana Shelfer (07:15):
Okay.
Like so negative, we call thoseants.
We call them automatic negativethoughts.
Jason Shelfer (07:22):
Yes.
So I was having these automaticnegative thoughts that were
manifesting in physical painsand physical, physical
sensations throughout my body.
Jana Shelfer (07:32):
Ants, just like ants do.
Jason Shelfer (07:34):
Like my feet were burning, my legs were itching.
Like again, just like ants.
I needed to get up and move.
So I'm not I wanted to havemore leg room, more seat room.
I want we wanted, I wanted tobe in first class.
That didn't happen.
Now we weren't in bad seats.
No, we were in the secondclass.
Yeah, we were in premium uhcomfort.
Jana Shelfer (07:54):
Yes.
Jason Shelfer (07:55):
And but I had someone on my left, I had you on
my right, you know, it was likeI I still was I felt bunched.
Yes.
And there was for some reasonthere was this thing, like this
rod from the seat in front ofme, right in the middle of my
feet.
And that made me uncomfortable.
Yeah, it was in front of me myfeet too.
Right.
So that something about thatthrew me off a little bit.
(08:18):
I don't know why.
Jana Shelfer (08:19):
And sometimes it's the littlest things, right?
Because that threw me off.
All of this.
Because I couldn't, I alwaysput my cushion underneath in the
and sometimes in life in frontof me.
Jason Shelfer (08:29):
It's the little thing that throws me, throws you
off.
Yeah.
It is.
It's not the big thing.
The big thing, you're like, ohshit, big things happen.
Oh my gosh.
Jana Shelfer (08:37):
Again, I wish you would have, I wish you would
have confided in me in thatmoment because we could have
laughed about that.
Because that bar was throwingme off.
Jason Shelfer (08:46):
And it threw the guy to my left off, too.
Because he kept taking yourspace.
Well, he can't he he wanted toput his shoes over there, and
like I was like, uh pal.
Like, I've got 12 seats.
It's not coming over here.
You're gonna have to use likethere's a small woman next to
you, use her space.
I literally felt like my feetcan't even reach the seat in
front of her.
Jana Shelfer (09:06):
No, I couldn't even fit my cup on the one side.
So I was taking up some of yourspace too.
Jason Shelfer (09:12):
It's all like these little things.
So these the the automaticnegative thoughts were coming
in, and I was going, okay, letit come, but also let them go.
Don't breathe life into them.
And also, uh, what are thepositive things that I know?
Like I know I can do this, Iknow I've done it before, I know
everything's gonna be fine, Iknow at some point I will relax,
(09:35):
I will, and and at one point itall kind of started subsiding.
My feet stopped burning, mylegs stopped itching, and I was
able to just breathe.
Jana Shelfer (09:44):
Sometimes breathing, that's what I was
getting at.
Sometimes breathing in thatmoment when you are literally in
the thick of having a panicattack, sometimes just taking
that deep breath in, evencounting, and then doing like a
little box breathing.
Jason Shelfer (10:01):
Yes, right?
Yes.
Now I didn't do the boxbreathing, that would have
helped.
But in the moment, it thatcompletely escaped me.
And I know how importantbreathing is.
Jana Shelfer (10:11):
You only had a life coach sitting right next to
you.
Jason Shelfer (10:14):
And if I would have shared it with you, but
again in 23A, it was right for15 and a half hours.
I mean, that's what uh $15,000worth of coaching right there, I
could have had.
Easy.
Jana Shelfer (10:28):
Sometimes we we don't know what's right in front
of us.
Jason Shelfer (10:31):
We're looking too far in the horizon to see
what's right next to us.
Oh, Jason.
But we did it.
The big thing is, is we hadthis massive, massive trip in
front of us, and we we conqueredit leg by leg.
And after each leg, wecelebrated our wins.
Jana Shelfer (10:48):
We did.
We we did.
I will give us credit therebecause we were like, okay,
let's mark that leg off.
Jason Shelfer (10:54):
We went to the bathroom, we took a little
break, we washed our hands, andwe started the next leg.
Jana Shelfer (10:59):
We did, and we didn't, we didn't do it pretty,
like we were imperfect with oursmelly little bodies and our I
mean there were times when I waslike, oh my gosh, I just need
water, but if I drink water, I'mgonna have to go to the
bathroom again.
Jason Shelfer (11:13):
I think what happened is we had this plan,
yes, and it didn't go perfectly,but we executed on it and we
did it piece by piece.
Jana Shelfer (11:21):
That is true.
And yes, I I'm really proud ofsometimes we are given these
situations to realize how strongand resilient we we really are.
Jason Shelfer (11:36):
Yeah, even down to like the suitcase trackers,
like putting the trackers in thesuitcases, because I was
watching that as we were takingoff, and I was like, okay, well,
one of the bags isn't here.
Okay, but then it was, it justhadn't caught up to the app yet.
Jana Shelfer (11:48):
And also because they put those suitcases down
where the Wi-Fi can't get to it.
And so it takes a while.
Jason Shelfer (11:55):
And it looked like it was still half a mile
away.
Jana Shelfer (11:58):
You did, I did notice your energy change when
you're like, oh you're likesuitcase number four isn't here
yet.
It's getting left behind.
Jason Shelfer (12:07):
It's like, how did I just pay extra for that
bag and it didn't make it?
Jana Shelfer (12:13):
I I mean, seriously, I can't say enough,
even from the packing of theskis, packing up, getting ready
to go to the airport, or eventaking our dog to Sheila.
Jason Shelfer (12:25):
So that so that was another part of like I was
part of the trip.
So that was five hours north ofus in car by car, five hours
back, all in one day.
So a 10-hour drive.
Jana Shelfer (12:36):
But we just kept, little by little, we just kept
marking it out of the plan.
And you know, there's a saying,little by little, the hill is
behind you.
Siddicket, sedicet, llamallama.
Little by little, the hill isbehind you.
Yes, and that is what we havedone.
Now, I I'm not sure I'm makingsense today.
(12:57):
I'm still delusional from thejet lag and the sleep
deprivation and everything thatwe've gone through.
However, we're adjustingslowly.
Jason Shelfer (13:06):
That's right.
And that's and that's what itis.
That's that's reaching thethat's conquering the mountain.
And learning to adapt as yougo.
There you go.
Jana Shelfer (13:14):
Thanks for joining us.
Keep Living Lucky®.
Jason Shelfer (13:16):
Bye bye.
Jana Shelfer (13:19):
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visit us at LivingLucky.com.
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