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Jana Shelfer (00:00):
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Good morning.
I'm Jana, I'm Jason and we areLiving Lucky® you are too.
Jason went to see a mentalistlast night.
(00:22):
I got mental problems no notthat we are at the Belleville
Republic County Fair and ofcourse every night they have
different entertainment.
Last night it was the mentalist, which I always find mentalists
to be very intriguing.
Jason Shelfer (00:40):
They fascinate me
.
Jana Shelfer (00:41):
And you got called
up on stage.
Jason Shelfer (00:43):
I did get called
up on stage and I was like
there's no way he's going to getme.
And did he?
Well, he did, yeah, and therewere so many amazing little
tricks that he went through andstories that he told that
created this long narrative ofthings just actually happening
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right in front of your eyes.
Jana Shelfer (01:04):
So you just cannot
believe.
Yeah, he literally is creatinghappening right in front of your
eyes.
So you just cannot believe.
Yeah, he literally is creatingLiving Lucky® in front of you.
Jason Shelfer (01:10):
Yeah, the whole
thing culminated in a lottery
ticket that had numbers that thecrowd had actually picked out,
but he had bought the ticket.
Jana Shelfer (01:18):
Previously.
Jason Shelfer (01:19):
Seven hours
before the show which just blew
my mind.
Jana Shelfer (01:23):
However, he
somehow convinced the audience
to pick these numbers, but wedon't know how he does that.
Jason Shelfer (01:30):
It was either
that or he had somehow a bunch
of lottery tickets, whichdoesn't seem plausible or
possible.
I don't know how he got therebecause literally he just gives
you a deck of cards with 30numbers in it.
He gave six people this deck ofcards with 30 numbers in each
deck and said pull out a cardthat you want to pull out.
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Like, look through them and youpick your card.
And it was like, okay, we allpicked out our number.
Jana Shelfer (02:01):
Yes.
Jason Shelfer (02:02):
And I was the
quote unquote lucky crowd member
.
Jana Shelfer (02:06):
Of course you were
.
You were all decked out in yourlucky hat.
Jason Shelfer (02:08):
I had my Living
Lucky® hat, yeah, and so I
picked the Powerball number,okay, and then he goes through
and he and you picked 13.
I did.
Jana Shelfer (02:17):
Because you don't
normally pick 13.
And we sometimes think that 13is not a lucky number.
Jason Shelfer (02:27):
Well, I was so in
my mind I was like, okay, jason
, friday, the 13th lucky number.
Some people would say 13 is alucky number, some people would
say it's not, and I wanted topick something that I thought
was not obvious but was stillhad meaning for me You're
playing reverse, reversepsychology.
Jana Shelfer (02:46):
My whole point
today is that the mentalist
notices the small things.
It's what you pay attention to.
Jason Shelfer (02:54):
Yes.
And the crowd doesn't, becausethere has to be a way it's
happening outside, like withmicro expressions that he's the
mentalist is picking up on, andwith the words that he's using
to create his own reality, andthe crowd is not picking up on
it.
Jana Shelfer (03:12):
So he can simply
say you know Powerball number,
make sure you don't pick number13, because that's the unlucky
number.
And then all of a sudden you'relike I'm going to pick number
13.
Something like that, exactly.
Jason Shelfer (03:24):
It's NLP, not so
obvious, right, but it is just
like that and we can start.
And this just goes to show howyou literally can create your
own reality.
Jana Shelfer (03:37):
So he's using NLP.
Jason Shelfer (03:39):
He's using NLP,
he's reading micro expressions.
He would notice when someoneholds their breath for a moment,
just a moment, out of the norm.
Jana Shelfer (03:48):
So he can probably
tell when you're telling the
truth or when you're fudgingjust slightly.
Jason Shelfer (03:53):
Yeah, or just
those little things that say,
okay, things might be differentthan what I'm telling you.
I might be exaggerating alittle bit here or holding back
a little bit here, and I thinkthat there's a lot of training
that goes on in this.
We've done this for the last 10, 12 years of going through.
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How do we exact our mindset towork for us, work for us.
Jana Shelfer (04:19):
Another thing that
happened is that I didn't go
with you, Right?
So when you got there, you satwith my best friend, Marcy, and
both of you were called up onstage.
Yes, and Marcy happens to.
They ask who are you here with?
And she says oh, my kids and mybest friend's husband.
Now, what you forget is this isa small town that's going to
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spread very quickly.
That will probably make theBelleville telescope Right.
Jason Shelfer (04:45):
Marcy Bauman
shows up with best friend's
husband to the fair.
Jana Shelfer (04:48):
Yeah, like this is
not good, Nefarious.
So I guess what we're talkingabout today is noticing the
unnoticeable.
That's so yeah, and when youtrain yourself to do it, it
almost seems obvious, but toother people it blows their mind
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.
Jason Shelfer (05:09):
It blows their
mind.
I think a lot of people look atus and it blows their mind the
things that we do and the thingsthat we accomplish.
And it's because it's notnecessarily that we're noticing
the unnoticeable, but we aredefinitely noticing our thoughts
, noticing our feelings.
We're getting curious aboutthose and then we get to adjust
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our actions or responses to lifeand how we show up in it.
Jana Shelfer (05:35):
Okay.
So my question is now that youcame home with the lucky lottery
ticket, what do you think theoutcome of this is going to be?
I mean, if he is really amentalist, you think maybe-.
Jason Shelfer (05:46):
Why not just go
ahead and give me the winning
numbers?
Then it'd have to be a two-partshow.
Jana Shelfer (05:54):
I know that I'm
definitely going to check this,
even if we have to drive toNebraska to do it.
Jason Shelfer (05:59):
This is one of
those things where I remember we
got a Powerball ticket when itwas like $400 million or
something like that.
Yeah, we got a Powerball ticket.
I think it was in Arkansas.
Okay, and then when I got backto Florida, I tried to check and
they're like oh, this is anArkansas Powerball, you got to
check it in.
Jana Shelfer (06:15):
Arkansas, so you
have to go to the state.
Yeah, okay go to the state.
Yeah, okay, so we're going tomake a point to drive to
Nebraska.
Jason Shelfer (06:21):
Or we might do it
alone, so we can check this.
We can do it old school anddrive there.
It's only what, 10 miles fromhere.
Jana Shelfer (06:29):
Okay.
So question After going to thatlast night, do you feel like
are you going to change the wayyou think, act, react, notice
awareness.
Jason Shelfer (06:40):
I'm going to
continue on the path that we're
on, which is noticing the smallthings, being grateful for the
small things, raise my gratitudelevel and then also just say
what else might be.
Jana Shelfer (06:55):
So this for me,
leads to intuition, me leads to
intuition.
And I know that you said thementalist looks at your micro
expressions and whatnot, but forme sometimes there's just a gut
feeling.
Jason Shelfer (07:09):
Yeah, and it's
just a very like a spark of a
gut feeling sometimes and youlearn to trust it because the
more you trust it then, the morethat that intuition starts
really speaking to you.
Yeah, I can't think of how manytimes in the past where someone
asked me to do something and Iwould notice my gut intuition
and be like you're overbookedright now.
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Just say no, and then I wouldsay you know what, let me think
about it.
And I would think for just abrief second and I would say,
okay, I can do that, I can fitit in Because you're trying to
please people.
Yes, If I just listened to mygut expression and recognize
that little spark, I would havesaid you know what?
I am overbooked right now.
I'm building somethingparticular and this isn't the
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right space and time for me towork with that or with you on
that time for me to work withthat.
Yeah, or with you on that, butgood luck and I might be able to
help you out in the future,because there's a way to say no.
I don't have to explain myself.
I just need to say that doesn'tfit into my what I'm working on
right now.
Jana Shelfer (08:16):
Yeah.
Jason Shelfer (08:17):
But I wish you
the best of luck.
Jana Shelfer (08:18):
And sometimes our
intuition is speaking because of
a micro facial expression orbecause of, you know, something
that we notice, that maybe we'renot conscious of.
Jason Shelfer (08:33):
Yeah, Like, how
many times have we gotten into
it?
Or has someone gotten into abad deal when they it sounded
really good?
But their gut expression waslike, hey, this, this might be
too good or this might bedifferent than what I'm
picturing.
And they just didn't trusttheir gut.
Jana Shelfer (08:51):
Yeah, because,
then the next level is.
Is it my gut speaking, or is itjust that I'm uncomfortable?
And that this is new, so I meanthere's a lot to it but the
more.
You start diving into all ofthis, you start figuring out
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what works for you.
Jason Shelfer (09:15):
I think that's
the key Figuring out what your
recipe is, what works for youand what makes you feel like
you're living the best versionof yourself and the best version
of your life on a day-to-daybasis.
Jana Shelfer (09:28):
So I've taken a
lot of NLP classes, which is
neuro-linguistic programming,which I absolutely learned so
much.
I did not learn to the levelwhere I could be on a stage and
demonstrate or make it into somesort of performance that wows
an audience or some type ofmanipulation tactic.
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So I wonder where he wastrained.
Jason Shelfer (09:54):
That's a great
question.
I wish I had been able to stickaround and ask him some of
these questions.
I think a mentalist would be agreat interview, but are they
like magicians, where theywouldn't give up all this
information?
Jana Shelfer (10:06):
All their secrets,
because that's their moneymaker
.
Jason Shelfer (10:08):
Right.
Jana Shelfer (10:10):
Right, they're not
going to tell us everything.
Jason Shelfer (10:11):
Well, I peeked at
the names that you wrote down,
or I peeked at what you weredrawing.
Jana Shelfer (10:16):
So I could draw
the same thing.
I don't want to go to cheating.
I don't want to go to cheating.
Jason Shelfer (10:20):
Well, I don't
think it's cheating, because
he's doing this in front of 75people or 100 people and no one
notices it.
So that's another form of whatare we not noticing, whether
it's micro expressions or a gutfeeling.
Jana Shelfer (10:34):
But like when he
said to you pick a number
between one and six.
Jason Shelfer (10:38):
One OK.
Jana Shelfer (10:39):
And you were like
I'm going to pick four, one and
six.
And you were like I'm going topick four.
And then he literally picked uphis notepad and said they
always say four which had beenwritten in his notepad.
Jason Shelfer (10:50):
So there was some
type of neuro-linguistic
programming that prompted me tomove towards the number four,
and part of that was that hesaid pick a number between one
and six, which subconsciouslykind of eliminates one and six.
Jana Shelfer (11:08):
OK.
Jason Shelfer (11:08):
Right.
Jana Shelfer (11:09):
To you, To me, I
would have said I'm going to
pick one or I'm going to picksix, maybe If you hadn't heard
everything else.
Right.
Jason Shelfer (11:19):
So it's possible
that you're like in your mind,
you know already, know whatyou're going to pick.
Jana Shelfer (11:23):
He might have been
using words like square or
right.
Or a car, even the wheels on acar, or something that makes you
think of four, four, four allthese, all these words that
could trigger Okay, that hasfour things, this has four
things.
Jason Shelfer (11:40):
Yes, that just
gave me goosebumps, because I'm
sure that is something thathappened.
If I had recorded it and playedit back, I could probably study
it and say okay, what'shappening here?
Oh, I love it.
And we're missing things likethis every day in life.
Jana Shelfer (11:56):
So I literally am
going to go through today and
think what am I not noticing?
Jason Shelfer (12:01):
Oh, or what could
I notice?
That I haven't noticed before,which I think also leads back
into gratitude, like what youappreciate, appreciates.
When you notice things that youhaven't noticed before, you
realize how abundant we are andhow we have all the resources
right in front of us forwhatever we want to create.
Jana Shelfer (12:23):
I'm also going to
notice people's expressions, and
they're what you call microexpressions, which could
literally just be like atwitching eye.
Jason Shelfer (12:33):
Yeah, I get that.
Or a flutter of the lip or asecond inhale before they speak
like that.
Ok, here it comes.
I'm going to tell you something, some hard news.
A lot of people will have thatsecondary breath right before
they start a hard conversation.
Jana Shelfer (12:50):
But the real
talent for me is having the
confidence to get in front ofpeople.
Right and actually get paid toput on a show to demonstrate
these techniques.
Jason Shelfer (13:04):
And have that
confidence to flip your pad over
before you see what someoneelse wrote down.
Jana Shelfer (13:09):
See, I'm nervous.
I'm nervous just thinking aboutit.
Maybe that's a sign that I needto start going in that
direction.
Pick a number any numberbetween one and six.
Jason Shelfer (13:21):
Between one and
three.
Pick a number any number.
Between one and six.
Between one and three.
Jana Shelfer (13:30):
We'll start there
Start small, start small, go big
.
Okay, so we're challengingourselves to notice even more.
Jason Shelfer (13:33):
Yeah, notice what
we haven't noticed.
And I think that's going to bea beautiful trip or journey for
some people, because there's somuch right in your general
vicinity that you have falleninto that law of habituation and
you've let it slip from yourmind and don't realize
everything that you have rightthere in front of you that you
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can work with.
Jana Shelfer (13:54):
I love it what we
learn at the NCK, free Republic
County.
Fair.
Jason Shelfer (13:59):
Thanks for
joining us.
Keep Living Lucky® Republic.
Jana Shelfer (14:00):
County.
Fair Doing calls to something.
Thanks for joining us.
Jason Shelfer (14:02):
Keep Living
Lucky®.
Jana Shelfer (14:03):
Bye-bye.
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