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Join hosts Brian Crawford, Neddie Winters, and Austin Hoyle in this episode of Living Reconciled, as we prepare for the 2024 Living Reconciled Celebration. The guys highlight the significance of this event and its approach to dealing with reconciliation holistically. Get a sneak peek at the conference starting in the afternoon and the evening banquet, which will include worship from the Word of Life team, a keynote panel, and luminary awards celebrating those making significant contributions across the state. This episode is packed with great previews and great insights!
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Nissan, St. Dominic's Hospital, Atmos Energy, Regions Foundation, Brown Missionary Baptist Church, Christian Life Church, Ms. Doris Powell, Mr. Robert Ward, and Ms. Ann Winters
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
This is Living Reconciled, a podcast dedicated
to giving our communitiespractical evidence of the gospel
message by helping Christianslearn how to live in the
reconciliation that Jesus hasalready secured for us by living
with grace across racial lines.
Hey, thanks so much for joiningus on this episode of Living
(00:32):
Reconciled.
I am your host, Brian Crawford,and I am with a distinguished
group of men.
My co-host, Nettie Winters,Austin Hoyle.
Gentlemen, how are you doingtoday?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
When you said distinguished group of men, I
was anticipating something alittle bit more exciting than
Nettie and I.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Yeah, I was thinking that we had some guests,
surprise guests or somethingthat he hadn't told us about.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, I was getting excited.
Yeah, but that's us.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Yeah, but thank you for the promotion.
We're excited to bedistinguished.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I am man, you guys are telling yourselves way too
short.
You are very distinguished,incredibly distinguished men.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, well, I'm going to tell people you called me
distinguished.
Yeah, absolutely, I'm going toexpect them to call me
distinguished as well.
See what happens.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
When I shake hands with people now, I say my name
is Nettie Winters and accordingto Brian Crawford, I'm very
distinguished.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, y'all don't hold your breath before anybody
else, to follow up with the samecompliments that I just gave
y'all.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
But anyway, and that's why I'm going to accept
that regular introduction there.
Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I love it.
We want to give a quick shoutout to our special sponsors,
other distinguished men andwomen, folks like Nissan, st
Dominic's Hospital, atlas Energy, regis Foundation, brown
Missionary Baptist Church,christian Life Church, ms Doris
Powell, mr Robert Ward, ms AnnWinters.
Thank you so much foreverything that you do.
It's because of what you dothat we're able to do what it is
that we do, and today, what weare doing, gentlemen, is talking
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about the 2024 LivingReconciled Celebration, hosted
at the Brandon Civic Center onSeptember the 26th, starting
with a 2.30 pm conference and a6.30 pm banquet in which we will
culminate the celebration,banquet in which we will
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culminate the celebration.
I'm so excited about it.
I'm incredibly excited about it.
I think it's going to be aphenomenal event.
Nettie Austin, this is for us,this is the Super Bowl, as we
said last year the Super Bowl ofMission Mississippi, the World
Series of Mission Mississippi,the Stanley Cup of Mission
Mississippi.
Why should people come to thisevent?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Natty, you know, I had that same thought in mind,
that same question why shouldpeople come to this event?
You know, when you call it theSuper Bowl, the Stanley Cup, all
of that, I would think thatanybody and anyone in
Mississippi that's on aleadership role or not, want to
be on a leadership role or not.
We want to be on a leadershiprole or not, a common, ardent,
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everyday citizenship.
We want to be a part of thiscommunity because they'll talk
about neighboring, andneighboring well, through living
out reconciliation in the bodyof Christ.
So I think that's an excitingreason for us to be there.
We've been called as Christiansto live out this reconciliation
that we have in Jesus Christ,and he says love your neighbor
as yourself.
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And so I think it would beincumbent on every person in the
state of Mississippi thatidentify themselves as
Christians to become a part ofthis and be present, be in the
place and be a part of thisdiscussion.
It's great, you know, when Ithink about the workshop that
I'm sure that you're going totalk about later on, talk about
the health and wellness,mentally, emotionally, and so
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forth.
It's my opinion that 95-pluspercent of our population is
somewhat clinically depressedand we don't even know that, and
hearing this discussion willhelp us recognize not only the
others but recognizing ourselves, how we can live this
reconciliation out emotionally,mentally, as well as physically
and spiritually.
So I think that's it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, why should people come to this?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
event.
Well, everything that Eddiejust said, really, that whole
focus on mind, body, soul, and Ithink that that is going to be
something that is going to bestrongly felt and known
throughout the program.
So this is going to be mysecond Living Reconciled
celebration that we have.
I was able to go to the onelast year and facilitate a panel
on kind of the next generationtaking the mantle, and I'm
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really excited about the panelthat I'm going to be able to
facilitate, this upcoming LivingReconciled celebration focusing
on that emotional health.
You know the very fact that,nettie, you said that 95% of our
population, in your opinion, isclinically depressed.
You know, we may not know theexact number, but we do know
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that we have such a significantnumber of persons who are
growing up with significantmental illness, either anxiety,
depression, just a feeling ofisolation.
And you know some of the thingsthat we'll explore, at least in
my panel, is why are we doingthat?
It's one reason we become sosocially isolated from one
another because of differentthings like social media.
The very thing that's supposedto bind us together is actually
bringing us apart in terms ofhuman-to-human interaction and
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really going into it.
That is the number one reasonwhy I think we should go to the
Living Reconciled Celebration isthat one-on-one human
interaction that you do receivein a place like that.
And really Mission Mississippi,living Reconciled Celebration is
the only place and just theprograms like it is the only
place that I'm even aware ofwhere you can get all of these
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different people in the sameroom to have authentic
conversations, not prescribedconversations, not, not, not,
just not, you know, uh,prescribed conversations, not um
, not uh, just uh conversations,very stilted, unscripted,
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authentic, you know, all of allof that that maybe some
pioneering, exactly, and it'sthat thing that we all crave,
it's that thing that we all wantand desire that real deep
connection with other people.
Two, probably even more, of thevery categories that I have
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often kept, not justMississippians but us in the
church in general, from beingable to have that kind of
deep-seated fellowship, koinoniawith one another, which is race
, and our silos into differentdenominations and just we
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intentionally try to break downsome of the deep-seated things
that have the potential toreally tear us apart, but in the
hands of the gospel, in thehands of the faithful people of
Mission Mississippi, it actuallybrings us together.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
You know I'm incredibly excited.
There's a lot of reasons whyI'm really really excited about
this year's event.
One reason I'm excited aboutthis year's event is because we
are really in the middle of anincredibly divided and divisive
period in our collective storyas Americans.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I mean we are Brian, you might want to tell the
audience what you mean bycollective stories, because
we're in the middle of thatdivisive thing that you're
talking about and we're soaccustomed to the conversation
being identified as Black orwhite or Hispanic or whatever
else.
So what do you mean bycollective?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, when I'm saying collective, I'm talking about
all inclusive.
Every people group, everyperson in the country, past,
present, is involved in thisstory that I'm speaking of.
And so you know we talk abouthere at Mission Mississippi that
black history is Americanhistory.
Hispanic American history isAmerican history.
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Asian American history isAmerican history.
There's a collective,interwoven story that we're all
a part of, and what we have todo a better job of is bringing
all those stories to bear on theon the whole, on the whole
story of America, and not try toignore or alienate or push
aside one story or the otherbecause we get a better glimpse
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of ourselves.
Well, you know that.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yeah, and what you just said is a new language,
it's a new terminology.
It's new in the sense that mostpeople don't approach those
conversations as collectively orcorporately as it relates to
that.
But we're so accustomed againto that and I think part of Mr
Mississippi's effort in thisconference and in our daily
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dialogue is for us to change ourterms, change our language, to
be more.
We talk about inclusive, wetalk about collectively.
It's our history.
You can call it whatever youwant, but it's our history in
terms of that.
So I'm glad that we're movingin that direction.
I submit of that.
(10:00):
I think it's time forcommunication.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I think that whole understanding of history just
being able's style withcommunication?
Yeah, definitely, and I thinkthat whole understanding of
history just being able to holdinto tension all of the
stakeholders and the differentstories that need to be told.
And one of the things I likeabout Mission Mississippi and
about this conference in generalis that it is an endeavor to
hold all of those things in goodtension so that we can listen
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to one another and grow with oneanother through the um, the
understanding of our tension,our various tensions, if that
makes sense I'm gonna commendyou, uh, brad, for taking on
this conversation with austinand I, because you have a tough
time roping us in there, becausewe're both really excited about
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what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
I am really excited to when I look at the agenda.
We're talking about replay inMarks, mississippi, and the work
they're doing, the work that'shappening out of the medical
mall that has happened out ofthe medical mall here in Jackson
.
You know I look at thoseopportunities to really
highlight and uplift peopleleaving this conference with an
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understanding of how you reallylove your neighbor through
living out the reconciliation inChrist Jesus.
So you know, sometimes we don'tmake that connection to that.
We talk about reconciliation,but then you know we will tie
that to the neighbor, to theperson next door.
I must confess I know myneighbors that live next door to
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me, but my neighbors acrosstown I may not know as well as I
need to know, or my neighborsacross America or across the
state.
I need to know their hurt,their pain, their stories, their
burdens and how God haspositioned me and others to work
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cooperatively together, get onthe same page, be steadfast
together.
You know thinking the samething, have the same mind about.
Be steadfast together.
You know, thinking the samething, have the same mind about
how we approach this thing.
I think the opportunity to cometo Miss Mississippi Living
Reconciled Conference gives ussome practical aspects of daily
living and daily life that wecan live this out just by
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showing up but just by havingthis information.
This is not rocket scienceinformation.
This is not rocket-slam stuff.
It is not deep, hard, difficultwork.
It's just living out thosethings that we do on a daily
basis.
Except we've got to be thinkingabout crossing the lines of
demarcations and the issues andthings that we're at.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah, I would say, when we're talking about this
conference, we're talking aboutthis celebration.
Rather, you know, I mentionedthat one of the reasons why I'm
excited is because of theincredible tensions that we're
experiencing in the country, andoftentimes we key in on those
tensions, we focus on thosetensions In the wrong way, I
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might add, not in the right way.
Well, they occupy a lot of ourmind space, they occupy a lot of
our heart, they occupy a lot ofour attention.
All of the divisions, right, butthe Living Reconciled
Celebration is one of thoseoccasions, one of those
opportunities that we can focuson our unity, our oneness in the
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body of Christ, our oneness inthe body of Christ, the reality
that God has given us somethingthat brings us together rather
than separating us, and we'reallowed to spend a day really
directly focused on thatreconciliation that we've been
given and the opportunity thatthat reconciliation affords us,
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which is to live it out in realways, in real neighborhoods, in
real schools, in real businesses, right.
And so this opportunity for meis incredible because we're
going to continually be divided,especially in a politically
charged election year like we'rein right now.
We're going to continually bedivided.
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I'm excited because anopportunity, on September the
26th, to celebrate what we haveas one body, as one community,
and strive, even as one body,build one Mississippi and pull
Mississippians together and bethat catalyst and be that
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motivating factor to bringMississippians together.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
I think that when people hear one Mississippi or
one, they think that we got toall be the same, we got to all
believe the same, we all got tovote the same.
We can have our differences.
Ie, my wife and I occasionallyhave voted differently.
I'm not sure how she's going tovote this time.
We talk about it, sometimes wedon't, but, you know, we can
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have our differences withoutbeing divided and I think this
gives us an opportunity to setat the table and listen and
learn and live out in some senseof how we can have a collective
story together and all theparts in the puzzle that's
fitting and operating the rightway without us having to, you
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know, just pitch the puzzle upagainst the wall and say go
forward in terms of go ahead.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Oh no, you're, you're good.
You're good because what you'resaying, I mean it's, it's all
in the same category, so we'regood.
So what I was thinking, and I'mjust looking at the lineup of
what we have we have some focuson the local church.
We're going to have DwayneHigginson and Albert McGowan,
amazing pastors, focusing on thelocal church, and then we have
a couple of other people comingin there to focus on how they
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interact and and engage in therole of business.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
We have Lee Bush, tamika Simmons and Leslie
Leonard and, uh, you know, I wasjust thinking that, even though
Christians behave or shouldbehave, and I'm sorry, austin,
we got one more addition even tothat business group, uh, sam
Porter as well and so we gotsome some high capacity people
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in that in that businessdiscussion.
I mean, we're talking aboutincredible people that are both
in in in academic spheres, thatare in government sectors, that
are in personal finance.
I mean some incredible,incredible people that are going
to be talking aboutreconciliation and neighboring
in the world of business.
I'm excited and what?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I was saying is what that?
What that gives us is how welive the gospel out.
Um, as just just Christians inevery other sector that we're in
.
You know.
So that if you find yourself inthe business sector, that, even
though it's going to havedifferent expectations of the
local church, because we're inthe local church, it's a, you
know, it's a hospital forsinners, it's where people can
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go and be grown in God, andwhereas businesses has a whole
set of other motivations andintentions behind it, but it
still shows the whole point ofthe time behind all of this is
that all of the differentsectors, christians can still be
significant in living out thecalling that God has placed upon
their hearts and has given them, has tasked them to do with
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their lives in all of thesedifferent places.
You don't have to, you know, goto secular businesses and
secular government or governmentjobs and positions or even
spaces, and not take with youthe work of the Holy Spirit
everywhere you go.
And I think that's one of thekey things that we get out of
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our celebration as well.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Absolutely, absolutely.
I mean even you mentioned oneof those breakouts, laboring
reconciliation in the localchurch with Pastor Albert
McGowan and Pastor DwayneHigginson.
These are two gentlemen thatare leading phenomenal
multi-ethnic churches, one inHattiesburg, one in Jackson.
Different theologicalconvictions, probably, or
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underpinnings, so to speak, interms of when you talk about
secondary and third leveldoctrine.
So they are coming from thesame traditions and same
backgrounds, but yet they'reboth committed to seeing a
church that is diverse in itsgender, in its class, in its
ethnicity and culture, andthey're not just simply
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committed to seeing it, butthey're committed to making sure
that each one of thosedifferent groups have a place in
that church.
Nettie talks about all the timethat unity isn't necessarily
uniformity, that they don't haveto become somebody else in
order to find a space in thelocal church that they can bring
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that is so critical.
That is so critical, absolutely, absolutely.
So I'm incredibly excited tohave them talk about what does
it look like to neighbor?
Well, when you have all thesedifferent groups and different
backgrounds and different peoplegroups and different
experiences and differenthistories that are coming
together, what does it look liketo navigate neighboring as a
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local church and reconciliationin that kind of context,
reconciliation in that kind ofcontext.
But then the other breakout inthat second round, because
that's the second round ofbreakouts.
Also in that second round ofbreakouts is a conversation
around neighborhoods and we havea group of folks that are
specifically thinking about theneighborhoods.
Bishop Ronnie Cruder in hischurch is very much directed and
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focused on the neighborhood.
Scott Fordenberry at Soul CityChurch is directed and focused
on the neighborhood.
Scott Fordenberry at Soul CityChurch is very much focused on
the neighborhood.
Jill Buckley at Stew Pot isvery much focused on the
neighborhood, and so we get anopportunity to learn and to
glean.
What is it going to take for meas an individual to participate
in what God is doing andreaching the neighborhoods
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around me?
Because when we talk aboutneighboring well, well, part of
neighboring well is reaching outto our neighborhoods and
engaging our neighborhoods.
So I'm incredibly excited aboutabout that opportunity and that
and that breakout.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
You know, brian, I'm really excited about what you
just said, because oftentimes welook out to do mission work and
it ends up somewhere else otherthan in our neighborhood.
I'm reminded of what the Actssays, dr Luke, and what Jesus
said to his disciples.
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He said first start at home,right here, inoperta, and then
to the uttermost parts of theworld.
And oftentimes the church hasgotten this a little mixed up in
terms of where we ought to stop.
You can get a load of folks togo on mission trips, as long as
it's out of my area.
You know, get out of my area,right.
What about a mission trip in myneighborhood?
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Or if it's not that, then wedon't see the need of mission
work or outreach work in ourneighborhood because for some
reason we think, well, we got itall together.
Well, we don't have it alltogether, then I think, well,
then we talk about that.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Well, actually I think it's the opposite reason.
I think people don't do missionwork in their own neighborhood
because it'll expose to themthat they aren't doing what they
should be doing on a regularbasis.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I want to say it in a nicer way, Austin, but thank
you.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I'm glad you guys are talking about this kind of
tension.
I put some T-tunes Overseas andhere in the States and the reach
that God has called us to.
Like you said, nettie, jerusalem, samaria, right, jerusalem,
judea, samaria and the uttermostparts of the world and the
earth.
Because our podcast recordingbefore a live audience is going
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to be with Brent Barnhill at theReclaimed Project and Brent and
his team have an incrediblevision because their work has
taken them all the way to theother side of the world, in
Africa, and their work has takenthem right down the road to
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March Mississippi, and so we'regoing to be talking to Brent
about neighboring in both Africaand March Mississippi and many
of the challenges that they arefaced with in Africa and
reaching brothers and sisters orbringing a kingdom vision to
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the communities that they servein Africa are the same
challenges that they are facingin bringing a kingdom vision to
the communities that they servein Africa are the same
challenges that they are facingin bringing a kingdom vision to
the community of Martz,mississippi and laboring and
working with fellow Christiansin Martz Mississippi as well as
fellow Christians in Africa tomobilize churches, mobilize
communities, to serve theirneighbors in effective ways, and
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they are doing incredible work.
They're pulling people fromacross the country, and not only
are they getting people, in asense, for short-term missions,
to come to March, mississippifor a day or two, but they're
getting people to come in and toinvest their lives, to be
integrated into the schools asteachers, as educators, as
administrators, and to investwith decades-long vision in mind
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for the sake of theirneighborhoods and for the sake
of their communities.
And so I'm excited becauseReclaimed is really holding that
tension, so to speak, betweenreaching the uttermost parts of
the earth for Christ as well asreaching the Jerusalem and Judea
for Christ, and so it's anincredible opportunity, nettie.
I'm excited about that.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
I am as well, because my neighboring, even here in
Jackson, when you go talk aboutBishop Grudem, he had that same
kind of aspect in his ministrywhere they're often doing things
in Africa as well as here inJackson, mississippi and across
the state.
You know, in terms of that Notonly, but there are so many
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opportunities out there likethat, but I'm glad that we are
highlighting this neighboring,loving neighbor.
Well, by loving them throughliving out the reconciliation
God has for us in Christ Jesus,loving them through living out
the reconciliation God has forus in Christ Jesus.
So this I'm really excited,brian, that you have taken this
to the next level ofunderstanding, that you know the
aspect of taking this livingreconciliation above the race
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issue, above the economic issue,above the poverty level, if I
can say that, to understand howall these different parts, I
like the puzzle illustration isthat how all of these parts fit
together and make the whole.
You know this vision, you knowyou look at somebody and say,
well, how do you start with a200-piece or 1,000-piece puzzle?
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Well, first of all you look atthe box.
The puzzle comes in the box andon the box is a picture of how
the puzzle ought to look, andthat's where you start in this
ministry of reconciliation, inthis ministry of loving
neighbor's will, is that we lookat the box, and the box is the
Bible.
And when you look at the Bible,you know, you know where to
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start Bible.
And when you look at the Bible,you know where to start.
I started with Nettie.
That's my Jerusalem, that's mySamaritan.
I started with Nettie andNettie's household and I venture
out to the other most parts ofthe world, down my street, down
my neighborhood and across thechurch.
Folks that I gather with on aregular basis are together.
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We make a difference in thecommunity we're in, and so I'm
excited about that.
Amen.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Amen.
I want to put a bow on ourpodcast today, nettie, but I
can't do it without talkingabout a little bit about our
evening, because we spent a lotof time talking about our
afternoon and the cost.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
You just got to talk about food man Go for it.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Well, we got so much happening besides the food.
We got some great food, by theway, Make no mistake about it,
Chef Donald.
Now you know, people want toknow about the food.
Man man, listen, Chef Donald isgoing to have a phenomenal
spread, Nettie.
As a matter of fact, he hastruffle potatoes, Nettie, I
don't think I've had trufflepotatoes, I've had them man,
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they're delicious, but listen,if you keep talking, man, I'm
going to bail out here and goget lunch.
And so the food is going to begood, nanny, but we got so much
more than food.
That's going to be in thatevening event.
We have the Word of Life.
Our worship team is going to behere.
Oh my goodness, they have aphenomenal worship team.
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I'm incredibly excited to havethem share their gifting with us
.
That night.
We have a great keynote panelwith Dean John Anderson, the
Dean of the School of Law atMississippi College.
Primus Wheeler, the ExecutiveDirector of the Jackson Medical
Mall, who has done phenomenalwork, and then we're going to be
celebrating some people thathave been doing the work on the
ground and providing someluminary awards for both
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Generation Next types of peoplethat have been doing the work,
people that have been doing thework in the local church, people
that have been doing the workas nonprofit, doing the work as
nonprofit, and so we can't waitto celebrate the people around
this state and around thecommunity that have been on the
ground neighboring well, and sothat's going to be an incredible
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, incredible evening that Idon't want us to miss.
Yeah, I don't want you to put aball in quite yet.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Let me say this I've been familiar with Paramedic
Willis for a long time but moreimportantly, I saw the Jackson,
what is now designated theJackson Medical Mall Foundation.
But before it was the JacksonMedical Mall Foundation, it was
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a crumble of rubbish from myperspective.
An old Jackson Mall had beenthere for decades and unhoused,
uninhabited.
Maybe there might have been onevenue there or something and
they turned that from not onlymaking that geographic location
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a I don't know how to say it myauntie, but that I just couldn't
.
I could not see that where itcame from to where it is now,
auntie, if you just look at thatlocation of the viability and
all the things that arehappening just on that location,
the medical group it's like aone-stop shop for both rich,
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poor, whatever it's there, man,it's got surrounded by stores
and I don't want to tell thestory.
I promise I'll do that, but Iwant to give people an
understanding of you could bringsomebody to rubber.
It reminds me you know I'm abiblical guy it reminds me of
Ezekiel when he talked about thebattle of Deerball.
Can he boldly?
When people look at that middleground, they say what you know.
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Most people say let's get thebulldozers in here, let's get
rid of this.
This is odd, you know, but it'scome out of the rubbish and
it's affecting people as farnorth as Memphis, as far south
as New Orleans.
And there are other things thathave come Cafe refuel and some
other things have come out ofwhat is taking place at the
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medical mall.
So I'm excited that Primus andhis team are going to be there.
But one of the things we electedto say during this podcast is
that there are going to be ageneration of people that are
now in the universities atMississippi College, bell Haven,
jackson State, alcorn State,ole Miss, mississippi State.
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Students are coming from thoselocales to be a part of this
conversation and we will havethe opportunity to set at the
table and get a part of thisconversation.
And we will have theopportunity to set at the table
and get a sense of thisgeneration that many people are
saying are going to hell in ahandbasket.
But these people are going tobe in the room and we have an
opportunity.
As old phobias I speak for me wewill have an opportunity to
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listen to their voice, theirconversation, how we can reach
them Not only reach them, but,but collectively, have our
stories together.
So I think this, this, this,this generation of young adults
in college and high school folkscoming into the world and
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having that mix with us in there, brian, I thought this is, this
is where the rubber meets theroad.
This gives people anopportunity to see the big
picture, see that picture on thebox, so they can go back home
and take their parts and put itinto the puzzle and make it work
in their local environment.
Amen, amen.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
It's going to be a great day, nanny, and if you
have not yet purchased yourtickets, uh, you need to I got
three.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Man I got mine.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I'm inviting my guests amen, amen, and and for
and for those listeners.
You need to be following nettywinners and go get yours and
invite some other guests to joinyou.
Maybe you can, maybe you caneven grab a table, uh, there at
the event.
And bring your guests and youguys can have some incredible
dialogue, incredibleconversation, and learn a ton
while you're there and just beenergized and motivated that
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there are people around thisstate who care just as much
about oneness in the body ofChrist as you do and they're
willing to pursue it, becauseit's what Jesus has pursued for
us and it has won for us, and soI can't wait to see you on
September the 26th.
It's been a great podcastepisode with my good friend
Nettie Winters and my goodfriend, austin Oil.
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This is Living Reconciled, a podcast dedicated
to giving our communitiespractical evidence of the gospel
message by helping Christianslearn how to live in the
reconciliation that Jesus hasalready secured for us by living
with grace across racial lines.
Hey, thanks so much for joiningus on this episode of Living
(00:32):
Reconciled.
I am your host, Brian Crawford,and I am with a distinguished
group of men.
My co-host, Nettie Winters,Austin Hoyle.
Gentlemen, how are you doingtoday?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
When you said distinguished group of men, I
was anticipating something alittle bit more exciting than
Nettie and I.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Yeah, I was thinking that we had some guests,
surprise guests or somethingthat he hadn't told us about.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, I was getting excited.
Yeah, but that's us.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Yeah, but thank you for the promotion.
We're excited to bedistinguished.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I am man, you guys are telling yourselves way too
short.
You are very distinguished,incredibly distinguished men.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, well, I'm going to tell people you called me
distinguished.
Yeah, absolutely, I'm going toexpect them to call me
distinguished as well.
See what happens.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
When I shake hands with people now, I say my name
is Nettie Winters and accordingto Brian Crawford, I'm very
distinguished.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, y'all don't hold your breath before anybody
else, to follow up with the samecompliments that I just gave
y'all.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
But anyway, and that's why I'm going to accept
that regular introduction there.
Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I love it.
We want to give a quick shoutout to our special sponsors,
other distinguished men andwomen, folks like Nissan, st
Dominic's Hospital, atlas Energy, regis Foundation, brown
Missionary Baptist Church,christian Life Church, ms Doris
Powell, mr Robert Ward, ms AnnWinters.
Thank you so much foreverything that you do.
It's because of what you dothat we're able to do what it is
that we do, and today, what weare doing, gentlemen, is talking
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about the 2024 LivingReconciled Celebration, hosted
at the Brandon Civic Center onSeptember the 26th, starting
with a 2.30 pm conference and a6.30 pm banquet in which we will
culminate the celebration,banquet in which we will
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culminate the celebration.
I'm so excited about it.
I'm incredibly excited about it.
I think it's going to be aphenomenal event.
Nettie Austin, this is for us,this is the Super Bowl, as we
said last year the Super Bowl ofMission Mississippi, the World
Series of Mission Mississippi,the Stanley Cup of Mission
Mississippi.
Why should people come to thisevent?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Natty, you know, I had that same thought in mind,
that same question why shouldpeople come to this event?
You know, when you call it theSuper Bowl, the Stanley Cup, all
of that, I would think thatanybody and anyone in
Mississippi that's on aleadership role or not, want to
be on a leadership role or not.
We want to be on a leadershiprole or not, a common, ardent,
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everyday citizenship.
We want to be a part of thiscommunity because they'll talk
about neighboring, andneighboring well, through living
out reconciliation in the bodyof Christ.
So I think that's an excitingreason for us to be there.
We've been called as Christiansto live out this reconciliation
that we have in Jesus Christ,and he says love your neighbor
as yourself.
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And so I think it would beincumbent on every person in the
state of Mississippi thatidentify themselves as
Christians to become a part ofthis and be present, be in the
place and be a part of thisdiscussion.
It's great, you know, when Ithink about the workshop that
I'm sure that you're going totalk about later on, talk about
the health and wellness,mentally, emotionally, and so
(03:52):
forth.
It's my opinion that 95-pluspercent of our population is
somewhat clinically depressedand we don't even know that, and
hearing this discussion willhelp us recognize not only the
others but recognizing ourselves, how we can live this
reconciliation out emotionally,mentally, as well as physically
and spiritually.
So I think that's it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, why should people come to this?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
event.
Well, everything that Eddiejust said, really, that whole
focus on mind, body, soul, and Ithink that that is going to be
something that is going to bestrongly felt and known
throughout the program.
So this is going to be mysecond Living Reconciled
celebration that we have.
I was able to go to the onelast year and facilitate a panel
on kind of the next generationtaking the mantle, and I'm
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really excited about the panelthat I'm going to be able to
facilitate, this upcoming LivingReconciled celebration focusing
on that emotional health.
You know the very fact that,nettie, you said that 95% of our
population, in your opinion, isclinically depressed.
You know, we may not know theexact number, but we do know
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that we have such a significantnumber of persons who are
growing up with significantmental illness, either anxiety,
depression, just a feeling ofisolation.
And you know some of the thingsthat we'll explore, at least in
my panel, is why are we doingthat?
It's one reason we become sosocially isolated from one
another because of differentthings like social media.
The very thing that's supposedto bind us together is actually
bringing us apart in terms ofhuman-to-human interaction and
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really going into it.
That is the number one reasonwhy I think we should go to the
Living Reconciled Celebration isthat one-on-one human
interaction that you do receivein a place like that.
And really Mission Mississippi,living Reconciled Celebration is
the only place and just theprograms like it is the only
place that I'm even aware ofwhere you can get all of these
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different people in the sameroom to have authentic
conversations, not prescribedconversations, not, not, not,
just not, you know, uh,prescribed conversations, not um
, not uh, just uh conversations,very stilted, unscripted,
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authentic, you know, all of allof that that maybe some
pioneering, exactly, and it'sthat thing that we all crave,
it's that thing that we all wantand desire that real deep
connection with other people.
Two, probably even more, of thevery categories that I have
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often kept, not justMississippians but us in the
church in general, from beingable to have that kind of
deep-seated fellowship, koinoniawith one another, which is race
, and our silos into differentdenominations and just we
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intentionally try to break downsome of the deep-seated things
that have the potential toreally tear us apart, but in the
hands of the gospel, in thehands of the faithful people of
Mission Mississippi, it actuallybrings us together.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
You know I'm incredibly excited.
There's a lot of reasons whyI'm really really excited about
this year's event.
One reason I'm excited aboutthis year's event is because we
are really in the middle of anincredibly divided and divisive
period in our collective storyas Americans.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I mean we are Brian, you might want to tell the
audience what you mean bycollective stories, because
we're in the middle of thatdivisive thing that you're
talking about and we're soaccustomed to the conversation
being identified as Black orwhite or Hispanic or whatever
else.
So what do you mean bycollective?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, when I'm saying collective, I'm talking about
all inclusive.
Every people group, everyperson in the country, past,
present, is involved in thisstory that I'm speaking of.
And so you know we talk abouthere at Mission Mississippi that
black history is Americanhistory.
Hispanic American history isAmerican history.
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Asian American history isAmerican history.
There's a collective,interwoven story that we're all
a part of, and what we have todo a better job of is bringing
all those stories to bear on theon the whole, on the whole
story of America, and not try toignore or alienate or push
aside one story or the otherbecause we get a better glimpse
(09:12):
of ourselves.
Well, you know that.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yeah, and what you just said is a new language,
it's a new terminology.
It's new in the sense that mostpeople don't approach those
conversations as collectively orcorporately as it relates to
that.
But we're so accustomed againto that and I think part of Mr
Mississippi's effort in thisconference and in our daily
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dialogue is for us to change ourterms, change our language, to
be more.
We talk about inclusive, wetalk about collectively.
It's our history.
You can call it whatever youwant, but it's our history in
terms of that.
So I'm glad that we're movingin that direction.
I submit of that.
(10:00):
I think it's time forcommunication.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I think that whole understanding of history just
being able's style withcommunication?
Yeah, definitely, and I thinkthat whole understanding of
history just being able to holdinto tension all of the
stakeholders and the differentstories that need to be told.
And one of the things I likeabout Mission Mississippi and
about this conference in generalis that it is an endeavor to
hold all of those things in goodtension so that we can listen
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to one another and grow with oneanother through the um, the
understanding of our tension,our various tensions, if that
makes sense I'm gonna commendyou, uh, brad, for taking on
this conversation with austinand I, because you have a tough
time roping us in there, becausewe're both really excited about
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what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
I am really excited to when I look at the agenda.
We're talking about replay inMarks, mississippi, and the work
they're doing, the work that'shappening out of the medical
mall that has happened out ofthe medical mall here in Jackson
.
You know I look at thoseopportunities to really
highlight and uplift peopleleaving this conference with an
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understanding of how you reallylove your neighbor through
living out the reconciliation inChrist Jesus.
So you know, sometimes we don'tmake that connection to that.
We talk about reconciliation,but then you know we will tie
that to the neighbor, to theperson next door.
I must confess I know myneighbors that live next door to
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me, but my neighbors acrosstown I may not know as well as I
need to know, or my neighborsacross America or across the
state.
I need to know their hurt,their pain, their stories, their
burdens and how God haspositioned me and others to work
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cooperatively together, get onthe same page, be steadfast
together.
You know thinking the samething, have the same mind about.
Be steadfast together.
You know, thinking the samething, have the same mind about
how we approach this thing.
I think the opportunity to cometo Miss Mississippi Living
Reconciled Conference gives ussome practical aspects of daily
living and daily life that wecan live this out just by
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showing up but just by havingthis information.
This is not rocket scienceinformation.
This is not rocket-slam stuff.
It is not deep, hard, difficultwork.
It's just living out thosethings that we do on a daily
basis.
Except we've got to be thinkingabout crossing the lines of
demarcations and the issues andthings that we're at.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah, I would say, when we're talking about this
conference, we're talking aboutthis celebration.
Rather, you know, I mentionedthat one of the reasons why I'm
excited is because of theincredible tensions that we're
experiencing in the country, andoftentimes we key in on those
tensions, we focus on thosetensions In the wrong way, I
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might add, not in the right way.
Well, they occupy a lot of ourmind space, they occupy a lot of
our heart, they occupy a lot ofour attention.
All of the divisions, right, butthe Living Reconciled
Celebration is one of thoseoccasions, one of those
opportunities that we can focuson our unity, our oneness in the
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body of Christ, our oneness inthe body of Christ, the reality
that God has given us somethingthat brings us together rather
than separating us, and we'reallowed to spend a day really
directly focused on thatreconciliation that we've been
given and the opportunity thatthat reconciliation affords us,
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which is to live it out in realways, in real neighborhoods, in
real schools, in real businesses, right.
And so this opportunity for meis incredible because we're
going to continually be divided,especially in a politically
charged election year like we'rein right now.
We're going to continually bedivided.
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I'm excited because anopportunity, on September the
26th, to celebrate what we haveas one body, as one community,
and strive, even as one body,build one Mississippi and pull
Mississippians together and bethat catalyst and be that
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motivating factor to bringMississippians together.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
I think that when people hear one Mississippi or
one, they think that we got toall be the same, we got to all
believe the same, we all got tovote the same.
We can have our differences.
Ie, my wife and I occasionallyhave voted differently.
I'm not sure how she's going tovote this time.
We talk about it, sometimes wedon't, but, you know, we can
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have our differences withoutbeing divided and I think this
gives us an opportunity to setat the table and listen and
learn and live out in some senseof how we can have a collective
story together and all theparts in the puzzle that's
fitting and operating the rightway without us having to, you
(15:11):
know, just pitch the puzzle upagainst the wall and say go
forward in terms of go ahead.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Oh no, you're, you're good.
You're good because what you'resaying, I mean it's, it's all
in the same category, so we'regood.
So what I was thinking, and I'mjust looking at the lineup of
what we have we have some focuson the local church.
We're going to have DwayneHigginson and Albert McGowan,
amazing pastors, focusing on thelocal church, and then we have
a couple of other people comingin there to focus on how they
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interact and and engage in therole of business.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
We have Lee Bush, tamika Simmons and Leslie
Leonard and, uh, you know, I wasjust thinking that, even though
Christians behave or shouldbehave, and I'm sorry, austin,
we got one more addition even tothat business group, uh, sam
Porter as well and so we gotsome some high capacity people
(16:04):
in that in that businessdiscussion.
I mean, we're talking aboutincredible people that are both
in in in academic spheres, thatare in government sectors, that
are in personal finance.
I mean some incredible,incredible people that are going
to be talking aboutreconciliation and neighboring
in the world of business.
I'm excited and what?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I was saying is what that?
What that gives us is how welive the gospel out.
Um, as just just Christians inevery other sector that we're in
.
You know.
So that if you find yourself inthe business sector, that, even
though it's going to havedifferent expectations of the
local church, because we're inthe local church, it's a, you
know, it's a hospital forsinners, it's where people can
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go and be grown in God, andwhereas businesses has a whole
set of other motivations andintentions behind it, but it
still shows the whole point ofthe time behind all of this is
that all of the differentsectors, christians can still be
significant in living out thecalling that God has placed upon
their hearts and has given them, has tasked them to do with
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their lives in all of thesedifferent places.
You don't have to, you know, goto secular businesses and
secular government or governmentjobs and positions or even
spaces, and not take with youthe work of the Holy Spirit
everywhere you go.
And I think that's one of thekey things that we get out of
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our celebration as well.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Absolutely, absolutely.
I mean even you mentioned oneof those breakouts, laboring
reconciliation in the localchurch with Pastor Albert
McGowan and Pastor DwayneHigginson.
These are two gentlemen thatare leading phenomenal
multi-ethnic churches, one inHattiesburg, one in Jackson.
Different theologicalconvictions, probably, or
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underpinnings, so to speak, interms of when you talk about
secondary and third leveldoctrine.
So they are coming from thesame traditions and same
backgrounds, but yet they'reboth committed to seeing a
church that is diverse in itsgender, in its class, in its
ethnicity and culture, andthey're not just simply
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committed to seeing it, butthey're committed to making sure
that each one of thosedifferent groups have a place in
that church.
Nettie talks about all the timethat unity isn't necessarily
uniformity, that they don't haveto become somebody else in
order to find a space in thelocal church that they can bring
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that is so critical.
That is so critical, absolutely, absolutely.
So I'm incredibly excited tohave them talk about what does
it look like to neighbor?
Well, when you have all thesedifferent groups and different
backgrounds and different peoplegroups and different
experiences and differenthistories that are coming
together, what does it look liketo navigate neighboring as a
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local church and reconciliationin that kind of context,
reconciliation in that kind ofcontext.
But then the other breakout inthat second round, because
that's the second round ofbreakouts.
Also in that second round ofbreakouts is a conversation
around neighborhoods and we havea group of folks that are
specifically thinking about theneighborhoods.
Bishop Ronnie Cruder in hischurch is very much directed and
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focused on the neighborhood.
Scott Fordenberry at Soul CityChurch is directed and focused
on the neighborhood.
Scott Fordenberry at Soul CityChurch is very much focused on
the neighborhood.
Jill Buckley at Stew Pot isvery much focused on the
neighborhood, and so we get anopportunity to learn and to
glean.
What is it going to take for meas an individual to participate
in what God is doing andreaching the neighborhoods
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around me?
Because when we talk aboutneighboring well, well, part of
neighboring well is reaching outto our neighborhoods and
engaging our neighborhoods.
So I'm incredibly excited aboutabout that opportunity and that
and that breakout.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
You know, brian, I'm really excited about what you
just said, because oftentimes welook out to do mission work and
it ends up somewhere else otherthan in our neighborhood.
I'm reminded of what the Actssays, dr Luke, and what Jesus
said to his disciples.
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He said first start at home,right here, inoperta, and then
to the uttermost parts of theworld.
And oftentimes the church hasgotten this a little mixed up in
terms of where we ought to stop.
You can get a load of folks togo on mission trips, as long as
it's out of my area.
You know, get out of my area,right.
What about a mission trip in myneighborhood?
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Or if it's not that, then wedon't see the need of mission
work or outreach work in ourneighborhood because for some
reason we think, well, we got itall together.
Well, we don't have it alltogether, then I think, well,
then we talk about that.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Well, actually I think it's the opposite reason.
I think people don't do missionwork in their own neighborhood
because it'll expose to themthat they aren't doing what they
should be doing on a regularbasis.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I want to say it in a nicer way, Austin, but thank
you.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I'm glad you guys are talking about this kind of
tension.
I put some T-tunes Overseas andhere in the States and the reach
that God has called us to.
Like you said, nettie, jerusalem, samaria, right, jerusalem,
judea, samaria and the uttermostparts of the world and the
earth.
Because our podcast recordingbefore a live audience is going
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to be with Brent Barnhill at theReclaimed Project and Brent and
his team have an incrediblevision because their work has
taken them all the way to theother side of the world, in
Africa, and their work has takenthem right down the road to
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March Mississippi, and so we'regoing to be talking to Brent
about neighboring in both Africaand March Mississippi and many
of the challenges that they arefaced with in Africa and
reaching brothers and sisters orbringing a kingdom vision to
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the communities that they servein Africa are the same
challenges that they are facingin bringing a kingdom vision to
the communities that they servein Africa are the same
challenges that they are facingin bringing a kingdom vision to
the community of Martz,mississippi and laboring and
working with fellow Christiansin Martz Mississippi as well as
fellow Christians in Africa tomobilize churches, mobilize
communities, to serve theirneighbors in effective ways, and
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they are doing incredible work.
They're pulling people fromacross the country, and not only
are they getting people, in asense, for short-term missions,
to come to March, mississippifor a day or two, but they're
getting people to come in and toinvest their lives, to be
integrated into the schools asteachers, as educators, as
administrators, and to investwith decades-long vision in mind
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for the sake of theirneighborhoods and for the sake
of their communities.
And so I'm excited becauseReclaimed is really holding that
tension, so to speak, betweenreaching the uttermost parts of
the earth for Christ as well asreaching the Jerusalem and Judea
for Christ, and so it's anincredible opportunity, nettie.
I'm excited about that.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
I am as well, because my neighboring, even here in
Jackson, when you go talk aboutBishop Grudem, he had that same
kind of aspect in his ministrywhere they're often doing things
in Africa as well as here inJackson, mississippi and across
the state.
You know, in terms of that Notonly, but there are so many
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opportunities out there likethat, but I'm glad that we are
highlighting this neighboring,loving neighbor.
Well, by loving them throughliving out the reconciliation
God has for us in Christ Jesus,loving them through living out
the reconciliation God has forus in Christ Jesus.
So this I'm really excited,brian, that you have taken this
to the next level ofunderstanding, that you know the
aspect of taking this livingreconciliation above the race
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issue, above the economic issue,above the poverty level, if I
can say that, to understand howall these different parts, I
like the puzzle illustration isthat how all of these parts fit
together and make the whole.
You know this vision, you knowyou look at somebody and say,
well, how do you start with a200-piece or 1,000-piece puzzle?
(24:40):
Well, first of all you look atthe box.
The puzzle comes in the box andon the box is a picture of how
the puzzle ought to look, andthat's where you start in this
ministry of reconciliation, inthis ministry of loving
neighbor's will, is that we lookat the box, and the box is the
Bible.
And when you look at the Bible,you know, you know where to
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start Bible.
And when you look at the Bible,you know where to start.
I started with Nettie.
That's my Jerusalem, that's mySamaritan.
I started with Nettie andNettie's household and I venture
out to the other most parts ofthe world, down my street, down
my neighborhood and across thechurch.
Folks that I gather with on aregular basis are together.
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We make a difference in thecommunity we're in, and so I'm
excited about that.
Amen.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Amen.
I want to put a bow on ourpodcast today, nettie, but I
can't do it without talkingabout a little bit about our
evening, because we spent a lotof time talking about our
afternoon and the cost.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
You just got to talk about food man Go for it.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Well, we got so much happening besides the food.
We got some great food, by theway, Make no mistake about it,
Chef Donald.
Now you know, people want toknow about the food.
Man man, listen, Chef Donald isgoing to have a phenomenal
spread, Nettie.
As a matter of fact, he hastruffle potatoes, Nettie, I
don't think I've had trufflepotatoes, I've had them man,
(26:05):
they're delicious, but listen,if you keep talking, man, I'm
going to bail out here and goget lunch.
And so the food is going to begood, nanny, but we got so much
more than food.
That's going to be in thatevening event.
We have the Word of Life.
Our worship team is going to behere.
Oh my goodness, they have aphenomenal worship team.
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I'm incredibly excited to havethem share their gifting with us
.
That night.
We have a great keynote panelwith Dean John Anderson, the
Dean of the School of Law atMississippi College.
Primus Wheeler, the ExecutiveDirector of the Jackson Medical
Mall, who has done phenomenalwork, and then we're going to be
celebrating some people thathave been doing the work on the
ground and providing someluminary awards for both
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Generation Next types of peoplethat have been doing the work,
people that have been doing thework in the local church, people
that have been doing the workas nonprofit, doing the work as
nonprofit, and so we can't waitto celebrate the people around
this state and around thecommunity that have been on the
ground neighboring well, and sothat's going to be an incredible
(27:12):
, incredible evening that Idon't want us to miss.
Yeah, I don't want you to put aball in quite yet.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Let me say this I've been familiar with Paramedic
Willis for a long time but moreimportantly, I saw the Jackson,
what is now designated theJackson Medical Mall Foundation.
But before it was the JacksonMedical Mall Foundation, it was
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a crumble of rubbish from myperspective.
An old Jackson Mall had beenthere for decades and unhoused,
uninhabited.
Maybe there might have been onevenue there or something and
they turned that from not onlymaking that geographic location
(28:06):
a I don't know how to say it myauntie, but that I just couldn't
.
I could not see that where itcame from to where it is now,
auntie, if you just look at thatlocation of the viability and
all the things that arehappening just on that location,
the medical group it's like aone-stop shop for both rich,
(28:30):
poor, whatever it's there, man,it's got surrounded by stores
and I don't want to tell thestory.
I promise I'll do that, but Iwant to give people an
understanding of you could bringsomebody to rubber.
It reminds me you know I'm abiblical guy it reminds me of
Ezekiel when he talked about thebattle of Deerball.
Can he boldly?
When people look at that middleground, they say what you know.
(28:52):
Most people say let's get thebulldozers in here, let's get
rid of this.
This is odd, you know, but it'scome out of the rubbish and
it's affecting people as farnorth as Memphis, as far south
as New Orleans.
And there are other things thathave come Cafe refuel and some
other things have come out ofwhat is taking place at the
(29:13):
medical mall.
So I'm excited that Primus andhis team are going to be there.
But one of the things we electedto say during this podcast is
that there are going to be ageneration of people that are
now in the universities atMississippi College, bell Haven,
jackson State, alcorn State,ole Miss, mississippi State.
(29:36):
Students are coming from thoselocales to be a part of this
conversation and we will havethe opportunity to set at the
table and get a part of thisconversation.
And we will have theopportunity to set at the table
and get a sense of thisgeneration that many people are
saying are going to hell in ahandbasket.
But these people are going tobe in the room and we have an
opportunity.
As old phobias I speak for me wewill have an opportunity to
(30:00):
listen to their voice, theirconversation, how we can reach
them Not only reach them, but,but collectively, have our
stories together.
So I think this, this, this,this generation of young adults
in college and high school folkscoming into the world and
(30:20):
having that mix with us in there, brian, I thought this is, this
is where the rubber meets theroad.
This gives people anopportunity to see the big
picture, see that picture on thebox, so they can go back home
and take their parts and put itinto the puzzle and make it work
in their local environment.
Amen, amen.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
It's going to be a great day, nanny, and if you
have not yet purchased yourtickets, uh, you need to I got
three.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Man I got mine.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I'm inviting my guests amen, amen, and and for
and for those listeners.
You need to be following nettywinners and go get yours and
invite some other guests to joinyou.
Maybe you can, maybe you caneven grab a table, uh, there at
the event.
And bring your guests and youguys can have some incredible
dialogue, incredibleconversation, and learn a ton
while you're there and just beenergized and motivated that
(31:12):
there are people around thisstate who care just as much
about oneness in the body ofChrist as you do and they're
willing to pursue it, becauseit's what Jesus has pursued for
us and it has won for us, and soI can't wait to see you on
September the 26th.
It's been a great podcastepisode with my good friend
Nettie Winters and my goodfriend, austin Oil.
(31:33):
Please like, share and subscribeto the Living Reconciled
podcast.
You can use any podcast app toget to us.
Just search within that podcastapp for Living Reconciled by
Mission Mississippi and you'llfind us Nettie Winters, austin
Hoyle, brian Crawford signingout saying God bless, god bless,
(31:58):
god bless.
If you would like moreinformation on how you can be a
part of the ongoing work ofhelping Christians learn how to
live in the reconciliation thatJesus has already secured,
please visit us online atmissionmississippiorg or call us
at 601-353-6477.
Thanks again for listening.
Thank you.
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