Discussing the Caveat's of "Permitless" Conceal Carry With P & D Gun Shop #202

In this episode, “Local Leaders the Podcast” Host Jim Chapman sits down with David Gross, owner of P&D Gun Shop, as they discuss Louisiana's SB1 law that allows residents 18 and older to carry concealed firearms without a permit. We cover the law's implications, including necessary knowledge of prohibited areas and the advantages of obtaining a concealed carry permit. They cover the importance of training, which is part of a vast array of classes offered at David’s business “P&D Gun Shop”, focusing on everything from safe handling and legal responsibilities, to preparing for emergency situations like mass shootings. 

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Timestamps
01:01 Understanding Louisiana's SB1 Gun Law
08:07 Personal Experiences with Gun Laws
09:36 Louisiana's Concealed Handgun Permit Options
13:28 Prohibited Locations for Concealed Carry
17:05 Alcohol and Gun Carrying Regulations
21:22 Importance of Gun Training and Education
27:09 Specialized Classes for Different Needs
29:41 Fun and Engaging Firearm Classes
33:02 Permitless Carry and Concealed Carry Classes
36:47 Mass Shooter Response Training
41:16 Building Confidence through Training
47:05 P&D Gun Shop Services Overview
58:00 Legal Immunity with Concealed Carry Permit

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On July twenty fourth of twenty twenty four, a new
law came into effect Louisiana's SB one. It amended Louisiana's
existing law requiring a concealed carry permit to legally conceal
a firearm in the state of Louisiana for any one

(01:18):
eighteen years or older that could carry legally otherwise. But
there were a major caveats to that law that you
need to be made aware of. Joining me today is,
in my opinion and many others, likely the foremost expert
in the state on the subject, David Gross of PEND
Gunshop in Walker to Louisiana. So today we're going to

(01:40):
talk about what has changed with that law, what P
and D Gunshop can do to help, and many other topics.
So Dave, first of all, thanks for coming on the podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Jim and this is your second time on Local Leaders,
so you're a pro. Now, yes, sir, you to be
my co host going forward.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
So a lot has changed in the past couple of
months here in South Louisiana, in Louisiana in general, and
a lot of that is to do with SB one.
So I guess let's jump into it. Let's tell people
about it and also what they may not know about
it that we need to educate them.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
One absolutely, so at the beginning of the year with
the new congressional session in the state or the new
legislative session in the state, Blake Meguez authored Senate Bill one,
which was ultimately passed and then signed into law by
Governor Landry and went into effect on Independence Day of

(02:41):
this year, July. Great day for it to go into
a factor probably probably a reason for that. Yeah, And
what Senate Bill one did was it Louisiana joined a
list of other states that have constitutional or permitless carry
allow on and our law specifically says that anyone eighteen

(03:03):
or older that's otherwise eligible to be in possession of
a firearm can carry a gun concealed in the state
of Louisiana. But there's some caveats to that, some prohibited
locations that we're going to go over. But other than that,
as long as you're eighteen or over, eighteen or older

(03:24):
and or otherwise able to be in possession of a gun,
you can carry a gun concealed a handgun concealed in
state Louisiana.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
So and when we say otherwise able, I would assume
felonies would be something, you know, certain felonies. You can't
carry a gun regardless of.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
No felonies, Yeah, have no felony. There's you know, if
you're otherwise a person that's not able to be in
possession of a gun probably knows, yeah, And they've been
told by law enforcement that there are are by the
courts that they're not able to be in possession of
a gun. So if there are other I was able
to be in possession of a gun that they can carry,

(04:03):
no foundies for.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Sure, gotcha? And other states have some other states do
have constitutional carry. But does the age change in some states?
Like do you have to be twenty one in some states?

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Or is it eighteen? And ever?

Speaker 4 (04:17):
Most states you have to be twenty one. Louisiana's on
a few states that ought that allowed eighteen year olds,
and I don't know how many there are. I believe
there's twenty seven states now that allow constitutional or permitless carry.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Some of those states, though, you must be a resident
of that state.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Gotcha.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
Louisiana. The actual bill that was presented initially said residents
of Louisiana, and then that residence was stricken out. I
wonder why that was the and I don't know, but
now so in Louisiana, anyone eighteen year old, or you
don't have to be a resident of Louisiana.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Even if your state requires a permit, if you're in
Louisiana without a permit and you're registered in a state
that does require let's say California. I don't know if
they even allow guns in California, but they did, probably not,
but if they did, they would definitely make you have
a permit. And so if you come into Louisiana, you're

(05:16):
just bound by Louisiana law basically correct. But I would
also ask you, as a butterfied expert on this and
something that people probably need to keep in mind Louisiana,
if you leave Louisiana and you end up somewhere where
a permit is required, are you in legal trouble if

(05:36):
you're concealing? Oh?

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Absolutely, and they and like I said earlier, some states
may have permitless or constitutional carry, but only for the
residents of their state. So you need to know the
law if you're going to travel with the gun. Yeah,
the specifically with a handgun. A lot of states. I'm
originally from Indiana. I don't know what the laws are

(05:57):
there today, but they used to be. If you're transporting
a firearm in a vehicle without a permit. The gun
had to be separate from the am at, locked up
out of.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
The reach of the driver. Does you a whole lot
of good at that point? And so.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
Yeah, and so some states, So if you're going to
travel and you don't have a permit, you need you
need to check out the laws not only where you're
going to, but all the states that you're going to
pass through. Right, some states have some very strict laws,
specifically up in the northeast Illinois, uh and some states

(06:35):
out west you're going to have you got some very
strict laws that you need to be aware of because
you could find yourself committing a felony and if law
enforcement discovers that, not only are you going to get
a phony charge, but you could end up losing your
ability to own guns for the rest of your life
and or vote.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
That's a great.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Point, and I'll tell you, I'll give you a real
life example of that. And Florida has changed a lot
in the past few years as far as as guns
are concerned and people's ability to carry them. But I
don't know how many years it might have been. About
twenty years ago, David. I had went. Now, it wasn't
that long ago, maybe about fifteen years ago. I had

(07:17):
went to Disney World, took my family, and I was raised,
if you're going on a long trip, make sure you
bring a handgun. You never know when you're going to
break down on the side of the road on the interstate,
and you don't want to have to go, you know,
go get gas or whatever in the middle of the
night and you don't have your gun on you. So

(07:38):
we went to Disney World.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
We made it there.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Everything was fine. I took the gun, put it in
the safe in the hotel room, and we went about
our business. And we ended up having to move rooms,
and we moved rooms, and I left that gun in
the safe and I didn't remember it until I'm in
the other room and everybody settled, and I said, oh, man,
I left my gun in the safe. So I called

(08:01):
the front desk at Disney and I said, I need
to get a gun out of the safe of my room. Oh, David,
you wouldn't believe it. A swat team showed up at
my door and they couldn't believe. The lady said, you
had a gun on Disney property. And I said, I
mean it's it was in my car, and I believe

(08:22):
it in my car. Look, that was all it took.
And it wasn't twenty minutes later. And these were policemen.
These weren't security at Disney. These were Orlando police and
they took my gun, would not give it back to me.
Told me they had to bring it down to headquarters
and I would essentially have to buy it back, so
I would have to pay a fine and they would

(08:44):
give me the gun back. But they had to run
checks on me. They had to do all this background work.
It was crazy, and I'm like, you know, and the
guy kept asking me why I had a gun, and
I said, I got three kids and a wife here.
We came from Louisiana, and you know, I don't want
to be caught slipping.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Why does he have a gun?

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, I couldn't believe it. But it was my first
experience with not knowing the laws of another state. Because
Louisiana at that time, it wouldn't have been no big deal.
You could open carry in Louisiana with no problem at
that time. Still could. So I say all that to say,
make sure you know the laws. We're going to talk

(09:25):
about some of those today, because it's not the Wild West.
Just because you can conceal it doesn't mean you can
go anywhere and everywhere with it. So give us an
idea of some of that.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
So some of the So, first of all, Louisiana still
does offer a concealed hangum permit, and the process to
do to get that is you take a class which
we teach, Yeah, and then you apply to the state,
you pay the fee, you get your permit. They have
five year and lifetime permits. The fees very dependent if
you're a veteran or free all the way up to

(10:00):
one hundred and twenty five dollars for a five year permit.
People sixty five an older pay half price which is
sixty two fifty.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, and that's five years, five years, that's twenty five
very reasonable. Yeah, and then they have a lifetime permit
which is five hundred dollars. Veterans are free also or
over sixty five pay half price two point fifty, but
you still have to take training every five years. Yeah,
and that permit. When you get a concealed permit, and

(10:29):
it's for Louisiana, you know, you get it in Louisiana,
you're a citizen of or a resident in Louisiana.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Does it Does it work in other states? Louisiana has
reciprocity with thirty eight states total. There's thirty eight states
that recognize our permit. So as long as you have
the Louisiana permit in those thirty eight states, you're fine.
You can carry a gun concealed. Now, you of course,
have to adhere to their state loss Louisiana's. Louisiana doesn't

(10:58):
have a law against printing or where in printing is
just where you know, you could see the outline of
the gun to a shirt or something like that. Some
states considered printing brandishing, which is no different than me
pulling the gun out. Wow, and that's interesting. So you
need to be abreast of the laws. And then also
prohibited locations, what places that you can carry in Louisiana

(11:21):
may not be the same in Texas, Mississippi, Arkansas, Florida.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, very interesting. Somewhere in my experience in Orlando, I mean,
their gun laws were at that time were completely different apparently,
and I found out the hard way. So let's talk
about the change in this law that the concealed change

(11:47):
and how it relates to where you can go, because
it still matters if you you obviously still can't carry
it in a courthouse, for example, even concealed right, right.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
So I've actually spoken with Blake Megaz the state senator
who authored this bill and sponsored it and got to
push through and approved, and almost everything is the same
as to where you can go without a permit. But
there's a couple of exceptions, and one of those, one
of the big ones is school zones. And this is

(12:22):
a federal law. And he told me that they are
working to get this federal law changed, but of course
that's not going to happen anytime soon. But this federal
law is that you cannot be within a thousand feet
of a school. And that doesn't matter if it's public private,
everything from elementary to colleges, universities, technical schools, beauty colleges.

(12:47):
You can't be within a thousand feet of a school
with a gun and gun long gun, doesn't matter. It's
that thousand foot gun drug free zone without a concealed
handgun permit. Okay, if you live within a thousand feet
of a school, of course, you can do what you want.
In Louisiana for the most part on private property, and

(13:08):
your vehicle is considered your private property. So you can
drive by a school with a gun in your vehicle.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
But if you.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
Walk by a school within a thousand feet of a school,
or for whatever reason, you're just out and you're on
public property within a thousand feet of a school, then
you're committing a felony major major thoft and the law
says that you're subject to us. Here's the actual penalty

(13:36):
as any person who violates this law this subject to
five years of hard labor, no more than five years
of hard labor.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Wow, I don't want to do one day a hard labor.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
You know a lot about Angola.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Imagine five year old. I don't want to be in
that field for five years for sure. And serious stuff.
I mean, this is gun related charges. And you could
be someone that you know, maybe you didn't know, but
that doesn't matter in the eyes of the law.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
And it actually even states that in the law that
that just the fact that you didn't know you were
within a thousand feet of the school is not a defense. Yeah,
and let me tell you about one thing that's happened
in a city not too far away, New Orleans. What
New Orleans did when they tried. They tried initially to

(14:32):
get the legislator to put the entire French Quarter as
a gun free zone. A couple of years ago, Louisiana
passed a law that said that gun laws that local
municipalities couldn't infort or couldn't enact tougher gun laws than
the state. Yeah, which is only fair because you know,
I live in Walker, I shouldn't have to worry if

(14:54):
I come to Denham Springs what the rules are in
Denham Springs. Brides are going to be different. And so
the state legislator said, Nope, we ain't doing that. And
so New Orleans took this existing federal law that there
is no way around right now and said that they
took their French Quarter precinct and turned it into a

(15:17):
sub campus of their police academy. Now it's a school.
Now you can't have a gun within a thousand feet
of that precinct, which pretty much covers the entire French Quarter. Yeah,
and so it's not unless you have a permit. It's
not a huge deal for you know, obviously, if you're drinking,

(15:38):
you probably shouldn't have a gun down there. But plenty
of people go to New Orleans not just to drink,
just to do this stuff and eat and yeah, absolutely,
And but think about the people that live there, that
live in the French Quarter, and you know a lot
of them park on the street, just that little bit
of crossing from their doorway crossing the sidewalk to get

(15:59):
in their car, they've committed to felony.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yeah, and if.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
Law enforcement wants to enforce that, then they could lose
their ranch to ever on a gun again.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
And these could be good people, good citizens, you know,
never commit to crime in their life. And that's something
that I always tell people to keep in mind, is
the only ones that don't care about laws or criminals, right,
and so a criminal they're going to conceal caring no matter,
you know, in a school or in a school, all
those sorts of things. But those of us that are

(16:31):
law abiding citizens that respect the law and follow the law,
we need to know about those things because we're not criminals.
And that's primarily why we're discussing this today because a
lot of people did not realize. You brought up drinking,
and I in my research of this, if you have

(16:55):
a blood alcohol level of point five or higher, point
zero five, point zero five, Yeah, excuse me, point five.
Who we're partying at point five, David, we are partying
point zero five or higher. You're in a bie. You
can't conceal carry at point zero period or carry period.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
Yeah, and uh, you know point zero five. That's usually
one drink for most people. Yink shot, beer, glass, wine, whatever,
gonna put you over that legal limit.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Yeah, and they do take that serious. Maybe you've only
had one, maybe you're not drunk, but you've had one beer,
but it's enough to blow that point oh five. And
you've got a gun, Oh, you're in trouble. You're legal
to drive, but yeah, not legal to carry a gun,
that's right. And so just be aware of that because
I have talked to several people who, you know, if

(17:45):
they didn't realize that, if they go in a bar
and they drink a beer, a single beer, and they've
got a gun in their pocket, Uh, just don't let
the police get you with it, because they're gonna throw
the book at you for that. And let's talk about
that real quick too while we're on the subject, Because
I've had discussions with several police officers about what this

(18:10):
does from their perspective. Because a lot of these officers
are going there, they're already concerned about who has guns
and who don't, one of the things from an officer's perspective.
And most of these police officers are Second Amendment people.
They totally want gun rights and they believe in gun rights.

(18:32):
But if you put yourself in their position, Now you've
got a law to where everybody can be carrying something
that nobody can see at all times. What would your
advice be to someone that is pulled over and uh,
let's sing in a car, or they're approached in a
setting and they have a concealed weapon.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
So the law actually says if you have a concealed weapon.
It used to be if you had a concealed handgun
permit that you had to notify law enforcement. Now if
you have a concealed period, you have to notify law
enforcement that you have a concealed gun. Concealed handgun. So
if you're stopped in a traffic stop, uh, your witness,
a crime witness, direct any any professional contact.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
With the law enforcement officer, if you're.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
Armed, you have to notify them, Yeah and uh, and
then that gives that officer the right to ask you
to submit to a pat down, to ask you to
uh disarm you if they choose to do so, and
uh also to ask you to submit to a breath lizer.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, And and I've had a you know, uh in
the conversations I've had, officers have told me the best
thing you can do is if you're pulled over and
we approach it your window, put your hands on the
steering wheel and say I have a you know, I
have a gun in my glove box. I'm just letting
you know it's there or whatever. But what I what
I what I teach my classes, especially with the permit.

(19:57):
You know, you think about you're pulled over in a
dark street at night. You got your windows down, and
you know you don't see the cop coming up on
the passenger side of the vehicle. You're just watching the
driver's side, and you say I got a gun, and
then all of a sudden, the guy on the passenger
side shows you his Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
But what I suggest is I put my permit on
the front of my license and uh rather than using
that scary G word when the police officer walks up
to my vehicle, I'm handling my permit and my driver's
license with a permit on top. I've been pulled over
a couple of times, and every time it's gone well,
you know the fact that I notified them immediately puts

(20:44):
them a little more at ease. Sure, and uh, the
fact that I got a permit permit, you know, you
not only did you go get trained and get educated
on the law, but you also had a background check,
so they know that, you know, you're probably not a criminal.
You're probably not the people that they need to be
worried about.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
The ones they need to be worried about. They're not
telling them about the right for sure. Exactly. There's an
old saying, just because you can don't mean you should.
And uh, so the requirement to have a permit has
went away for all intents and purposes. However, it doesn't
mean that you shouldn't have a permit, I guess would

(21:22):
be the way of voicing that. And what are the
things that for your permit classes? What are the things
that you learn in those classes?

Speaker 4 (21:30):
So, first of all, I think the most important thing
is just the education overall, the education on when and
where you can carry or win and where you can't
carry more importantly, Yeah, uh, and then the safety aspect
of it. Look, Jim, I teach these classes every week
and I've seen, you know, people that come that that

(21:51):
claim to be experts, that scare the light arrange and
so u. And remember, you know a lot lot of
people in South Louisiana have grown up with guns, but
they've grown up with long guns. They've grown up hunting. Yeah,
twelve gage in the back of the truck window. They
ain't got pistols now when you talk about putting a

(22:11):
pistol on your body, and a lot of them don't
have external safeties. And even if they do, safeties do malfunction. Sure,
not only the training aspect of when where you can carry,
but on how to get the gun into the fight.
A gun that you're carrying on your hip that you
can't get out quickly and get into the fight. Most
violent encounters take place at double arms length distance and

(22:33):
they're completely over with and under five seconds. Yeah, most
people that strap a gun on every day can't get
the gun out of their holster in every five seconds.
So you'll get you'll be a victim with the gun
on your hip if you don't know how to get
it into the fight quickly and know how to use
it safely to where you don't shoot yourself while you're

(22:54):
trying to draw that gun.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah, very good point, and say you teach that in
that in that class. If you have a permit, you're
law abiding. First of all, right, you can't you can't
get a permit if you have a felony. I would
imagine that would disclais If you're a prohibited person, you
probably ain't gonna get a permit. Yeah, right, the classes

(23:16):
that you uge, let's kind of go into that a
little bit, because in addition to permitting, with what we have, now,
what I wouldn't want to see it personally a whole
bunch of people do is then take a gun and
hand it to your college aged daughter and say, here,
put this in your purse. It's legal now, you know,

(23:37):
pull the trigger. This is what you do. You pull
the trigger if someone you know pointed at them and pull.
Guns are not to be played with. Experts with guns
have accidents. Accidents happen, but the point of training is
to uh eliminate or significantly take away the circumstance of

(23:58):
that accident happening. Your classes, y'all, I'm telling you, they
are second to none. One of them. You teach speaking
of handing some a gun to your daughter, is you
teach a woman's class on handguns?

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Right?

Speaker 4 (24:16):
And so I'm married, I got a daughter, and I
don't dare to teach either one of them because they're
not gonna listen to it. They're gonna do the complete
exact opposite of whatever I say. Totally get it, But
when you're talking about a kid, you know, a daughter, son,
doesn't matter. When our kids turn sixteen, they're eligible to

(24:36):
get a driver's license. But we don't just toss them
the keys and say here's the cues of the car,
go drive to Baton Rouge and pick up whatever for me.
They go to driver's head and they get some time
behind the wheel and learn how to learn how to
drive so that they don't get out there and kill
themselves or kill somebody else. And that's a big benefit

(24:56):
of have in the class is learning only you know
when where you can have the gun, but more importantly,
how to carry it safely so that you don't hurt yourself,
you don't hurt somebody else.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
And you know you can't take that bullet back. When
it leaves that barrel, it's gone for good. That's right,
and you're responsible for whatever it hits and destroys. And
if you don't know the gun, don't have confidence in
the gun, you're not gonna it's it's gonna be pointless
to carry it. It's no different than any other tool.
If you're not confident with it, you don't trust it,

(25:31):
you don't know it. And the only way you're going
to get that develop that confidence and trust is through
training and education.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
And so typically, more often than not, the females and
the males of the house. Uh, the females are a
little more fearful of guns. I know in my household.
It's like that I told you, I'll tell you a
quick story about my wife, and I guess i'll tell
everybody this story. But uh, I at one point I

(25:58):
had pulled my gun out of the night stand and
and I pulled the clip out, and I was looking
at some things, and then I put it back in,
put it back in the night stance safely. And my
wife says, you're not going to leave that thing loaded
or and I said, well, it's not gonna do me
a whole lot of good if it's not someone bust
in the house. But Honestly, that freaked her out. And

(26:22):
this was early on in our marriage, but it freaked
her out because she was scared. I didn't realize she was.
We never had that conversation, so I didn't realize she
was scared of guns. But just the fact that that
gun was loaded totally freaked her out. And there's a
lot of people like that. So I think another advantage
to that class is, uh, you know, it'll make that

(26:44):
that person more confident with the gun and realized that
if you use a gun properly, it's it's not nothing
to be scared of. You don't have to fear a gun.
As a matter of fact, it could be your friend
in the right situation. You need to respect it. To
respect it.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
I don't fear electricity, but I sure respected it.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
That's right. That's right.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
That's a great analogy. So that is a class that
you offer. There's real estate, uh safety classes that you offer.
A big there's a ton of relators in Livingston, pairs specifically,
and uh they meet with clients at all hours, a
lot of them they don't know in an empty house
in an empty house.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
So it's opportunity city for someone that has bad intention right, and.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
So with the ladies especially, we do we offer a
women's only first time handgun on a class more of
just you know how to use the gun safely, how
to how to uh rack the slide properly. A lot
of ladies think they can't rack the slide on a gun,
and it's all in technique. Most ladies can rack most
guns if they, you know, know the technique correctly, and

(27:53):
we teach them that, and then we also teach them,
you know, what gun best fits their hand. A lot
of times these ladies are going to a big box
store and they see a small gun and think, all
that small gun, it's a little recoil. Then little small
guns I shoot all the time, and I hate shooting them.
And if you've got a wife that you don't want

(28:14):
to shoot a gun, get her one of them, a
little small guns and she'll change her mind.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
She'll never shoot again.

Speaker 4 (28:22):
If you want her to be to carry a gun
that she's comfortable with, then a little bit bigger gun
can absorb a lot more recoil and they're not that
hard to conceal if you know what you're doing. And
just like you said, you know, unless you're willing to
put around in the chamber and load that gun up.
It's kind of pointless when you think about it. You've

(28:42):
got five seconds and now you've got to realize what's
happening and then get the gun into the fight.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Yeah, it's uh, egg.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Around for a club. Yeah, you're you know, you're just
waking up out of a dead sleep. All kinds of
things can happen, so yeah, it's uh. And that I
really like about your classes is that you have classes
geared specifically towards ladies that they may now want a
bunch of men around while they're learning how to do

(29:11):
this right. Certainly not their husband. He's probably gonna be
you're doing it wrong, you know it is. So there
are some options there which I really like. But you
also have some classes for you know, maybe that it's
people familiar with guns, but they're not familiar with like
the air or fifteen for example, which is a different

(29:34):
animal than a glock forty two. You offer fundamental classes
for ars introduction classes.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
So we are the two probably the two funniest classes
that I offer that I love to teach and I
love to take And people have a lot of time
with or have a good time with our self defense
pistol course or intermediate self defense pistol and then the
AR fifteen. Both of those are all on the range
about four to four to five hours. On the range,

(30:04):
we'll shoot about five hundred rounds ammunition.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Wow, and we're.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
Not going to empty thirty round magazines all at once.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
We'll shoot.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
For the pistol course, we'll shoot three to five round
shots at single and multiple targets.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
And uh, you know, depending on your comfort level and
my comfort level with your ability, right, we're going to
go to drawing from concealment because you know, the bad
guy's not going to come up when you got the
gun in your hand. The bad guy is going to
come up at the at the best opportunity time for

(30:40):
them and not for you. That's great, and so you
got to you know, you got to get the gun
into the fight. And so that that intermediate self defense pistol,
we start out very basic and then progress up. They're
small classes. Uh, and we progress and we get to
the point where you're drawing from concealment and shooting at
single and multiple targets a lot of fun. Uh, And

(31:02):
it really builds your confidence in that gun. Yeah, the
AR fifteen course very similar. We take we take the
first part of the class and teach all the basics
of America's number one sporting rifle of AR fifteen, how
to take it apart, how to put it back together,
all the nomenclature, how to personalize it. You know, AR fifteen.

(31:25):
You can have it just plane Jane as it comes
off the factory floor, or it's like a car. You
can add all the bells and whistles that you want
on it.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
That's what I want.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
And then once we uh uh and and it's very easy,
very basic, very easy to maintain. You know, it's designed
to be maintained without tools.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Yeah. Uh.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
And then we shoot and same thing. We're going to
shoot about five hundred rounds in about four hours and
two to four round shots at single multiple targets.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Uh and uh.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
Just teach you the fundamentals and it's just that, you know,
just reinforcing it over and over and over again until
you get it down.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Yeah. And look, y'all, these are classes you can't just
find anywhere another. You know, I have a lot of
businesses on this show that I'm like, man, we're pretty
fortunate to have a company here locally that offers this
and that, and you're one of those companies. You offer

(32:30):
so many things. And y'all, look, this guy was a
military guy for how many how many years there? Two
and a half, twenty two and a half years. We
love his service. But and what that does is lend's
legitimacy that this guy knows what he's talking about and
he's been around guns and trained the best of the

(32:52):
best with weaponry. And so for us to have that
right here in this area is pretty awesome. And you
can't just find that everywhere. It's it's rare that you
find someone that can teach why to read classes like this. Now,
you do offer a permitless carry class as well as

(33:13):
a concealed carry class.

Speaker 4 (33:15):
So tell me about that. That permitless carry class. We
cover the prohibited locations without a permit, and the biggest
one is that is that school zone. Chair I'm being
within a thousand feet of a school. And then we
cover the laws of self defense, because the laws of
self defense apply to you whether you have a permit
or not, right, and so you can't just shoot somebody

(33:38):
that's walking through your yard or that's you know, that's
breaking into your car and your driveway that's unoccupied and
all that stuff, and a lot of people don't know that,
right and uh, and so you could very well find
yourself on the other end of the law just defending
your own personal property. Someone breaking into your car and

(33:58):
you go out and start pointing a gun at them,
or worse yet, kill them, you might find yourself living
the rest of your life out in Angola.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
That's right, drag them in the house. Just kidding, just kidding,
but you're right. And and shooting people from the way
I understand that law. You have to You can only
use enough force that is considered reasonable for you to
get away. So, in other words, if you shoot someone

(34:28):
in the leg that's coming at you and then they
turn around to run and you shoot them four times
in the back, you might have a little explaining to
do on that one. But those are things you're going
to learn in that class and that you need to know. Heck,
you need to know that regardless because that situation could
come up. Sadly, y'all. Y'all know, I do another podcast

(34:49):
about crime and Hot and Heavy with crime on that podcast.
This is not the best time in Louisiana as it
relates to crime. And we've got a lot of crime
right in our back door here in Livingston Parish, across
the line in Baton Raage and you know, it's it's

(35:09):
as bad as it's ever been there, in my opinion,
no better time to learn gun safety, learn the laws
pertaining to guns, and don't just go out there and
buy a gun willing, Ellie, and you've never shot one. Look,
I've had friends David that have guns and they've never

(35:33):
shot him and they've had them twenty years. And that's fine,
but it's if the situation ever comes down to where
they have to use it they don't have any training,
the likelihood of them panicking is probably a lot higher.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
Oh yeah, absolutely. And and you know, all the classes
that we teach are based off of what the body
does naturally in response to that stimuli being attacked, that
bright or flight. You know, unless you've got something wrong
with you, we pretty much know how people are going
to react when it comes to a violent encounter. You're

(36:06):
going to hit that flight or flight mode. And uh,
if you haven't had training, you're not going to know
what to do. And the Army we taught, you know,
we talked about all the time. Trainers, you fight because
at the end of the day, you're going to fight
how you've trained, and if you haven't trained, you don't
even know what to do when the need arises. Yeah,

(36:27):
So good point. Muscle memory a lot of it. Yeah,
especially in a situation where you're in danger, because your
your brain is just going to go to, like you say,
fight or flight. It's going to be all reactioning. And
probably the biggest key to training and learning, UH is
through taking these classes Mass sheoter response, which is an

(36:50):
interesting class that you teach. Tell me about that, so
that that classes is really designed more for schools and
businesses and churches and things like that, but uh, to
respond to a mass shooting. Unfortunately, we do a very
horrible job at educating our children when it comes to
mass shootings.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
All you know, Department of Homeland Security teaches run, hide, fight,
in that order, But all we teach in our schools
is hide. And you hear all these mass shootings, and
most of these mass shootings you hear of deaths and
very few injuries, and it always puzzle me, why are
there you know, surely this guy is that good of

(37:32):
a shot that they Yeah, sadly twenty people and twenty
of them died. No, I ain't buying it. But then
when you understand what why that happens is because again
those children, they don't they don't know any different. They
know that they were told to hide, and then the
bad guy comes in the room and they freeze, and

(37:52):
then he's got stationary targets that just you know, just
pick him off one at a time. And so if
you look back at all this cool shootings, that's exactly
what you see is that these kids just they're they're
unprepared for that incident. And and so, you know, and
that doesn't just happen in schools. It happens in workplaces
and churches.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Churches, Yeah, yeah, I mean some pretty major incidents. And look,
it's a it's a sad subject that nobody wants to
talk about. And I think that's some of the problem
with it, and why you don't seem, you know, more
people taking advantage of that. To me, every teacher in
every school should have that class. There should be a

(38:35):
certification that they are required to take, you know, the
likelihood let's say, the likelihood of a teacher. We hope
nobody ever has to deal with that, and the likelihood
is low comparatively speaking to the amount of schools there
are in the country, but it could happen, and a
class like that could be a difference.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
Absolutely knowing what to do. You know, the in the
absence of a plan, people are going to create their
own plans. And my granddaughter told me that when her
teacher told her that if the bad guy comes in
the room, they're all going to try to jump out
the window. And I'm like, don't you don't want to
do that. Yeah, you're going to make a nice neat
pile for the corner right side the window.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
And so you know, run, hide, fight, If you can run,
get away from it, go And you know, most people
can judge from gunshots that it's happening way far away.
I got time to get my kids out of here,
that's right.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
And then if you can't, then you hide, and if
they come into the room or you encounter them, then
you fight like hell and you and there is no
such thing as a fair fight. If I'm throwing desks, chairs,
book sacks, laptops, it doesn't matter. Twenty five first graders
attack and a grown man are going to subdue them
pretty quick. Yeah, so, but we got to teach them

(39:57):
that that's right, and we got to teach you know,
when it comes to violence in the workplace and violence
and churches. Schools only account for about twenty five percent
of all these mass shootings. The rest happen in workplaces
and churches and night club nightclubs, and people don't. You
don't hear as much about it because it's not as
tragic as it is. You know, twenty school aged kids dying, absolutely,

(40:21):
but it's happening everywhere, and so you never know when
you're going to need to respond to a mass shooter.
You're never going to know when you need to carry
a gun. You know, crime used to be confined to
the nighttime. All you got to do is right, just
look at the paper, look at the news every day
of the week, especially in our area here, it's happening everywhere.
The drugs and the crime is just out of control.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Out of control. And you know, I'm a big believer
in that confidence creates a sense of a little panic
in someone's mind. And said, the more that I know,
the more comfion I feel that if I'm in a
situation like that, I'll know what to do and so

(41:07):
when that situation may or may not present itself, whatever
it is. Uh, taking classes like this, in my mind
just gives me the confidence to know that maybe I
want panic, because panic will get you killed in a heartbeat.
Most people will freeze when they panic. They don't have
any kind of muscle memory. They just sit there. And

(41:28):
it doesn't matter how big you are, how strong you are.
If you don't know what to do and you have
it drilled it, there's a high chance you're going to
panic in a situation when it really goes down. P
and D gun Shop, y'all, it's in Walker. It's at
three two two nine zero. Susser is a Sassar lane,

(41:50):
so it's right there in Walker. I've been to it.
It's it's twenty minutes from my studio in Denham Springs.
And their stock they stock over one hundred guns at
any given time, correct roughly.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Well we've probably got a little more net.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
Started out as a little hobby business and then COVID
took care of that and I hunted into a full
time job. It was just something in my backyard to
keep me busy, and yeah, and then it turned into
a full time job, but we did. We are a
full service gun store. When you pull up, like I said,
my shops behind my house, the uh we got uh

(42:30):
we've probably got one hundred long guns on the wall
and uh, you know, probably the same number of handguns
in the shelf. The and then we've got all your
Amo accessories, knives and knives, tons of n yeah, especially
around Christmas time.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah, and I'm glad you brought that up. I do
want to mention you do Sarah Coate finish it. And
we were talking a little bit off camera. Y'all. Look,
if you got a man in your life, for if
you've got a woman in your life that loves guns
and uh and you want to do something special for
him for Christmas, you may have to tell them you

(43:09):
need the gun because at once the not ison't missing.
They're gonna freak out, but uh, just tell them it's
a surprise and get that sucker coated. You can do
all kinds of things Camo. We can do flag, we
get all kinds we get uh. So we can do
everything from just one simple colored ladies like the teal guns, yeah,

(43:31):
pink or purple. Uh, we could do camouflages. We can
do different designs.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
And Sarah Coota is just a very thin but pliable
and uh paint that we'll keep the gun from rusting.
Uh and uh and you know it's very durable, so
it's not gonna rub off as you're putting it in
and out of a holster and uh, it's just going
to last for a long time.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
And you can also do it clear if you don't
want paint on right, and that's but you want something
to protect it, you can just do a clear on
it and and it'll still protect it. Those sort of things.
You also offer engraving another great gift idea.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
So we do we Uh, we have a laser engraver
that engraves on wood or metal. We don't do anything
other than guns. But the wood we can engrave into
a stock. We can engrave very fine, intricate details into
a stock.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
And some pictures should be popping up right now of
what he's talking about, y'all. And you talk about intricate
and down to the I mean the nth degree of
whatever you want to put on it.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
And uh, and then the metal engraving is the same.
We can you know, we can put your name on
a gun if you want it, or we can put
your business logo on a gun, or we can We've
done a couple of patriotic nineteen eleven's with we the
people's stuff and flags, and so we've got we can
even engrave like on the front of the barrel bushing

(45:04):
on a on a nineteen eleven engrave side on that.
So this thing is you might not even be able
to read it, that it's so small, but it will
engrave it. You can look at it through a magnifying
glass and see that it's very, very detailed. We can
also engrave for those that have suppressors and things like that,
we can grave your serial numbers and all that stuff

(45:25):
onto your NFA items.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Yeah, very good. And as I say, you should be
seeing some pictures right now of the beautiful work you
do there. And of course you carry tons of knives
and I forget there's one up there and I need
to get it, David. But it's the push button. It
just pops right out, so it's like a switchblay, but

(45:47):
not not a switchblay like.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Listen right here.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
Yes, it's out the front spring lighted. Yeah, these are
league on all fifty states out the front.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
That's a cool life.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
They they'll stop if they hit something, so you don't
have to worry about out of cutting you if it
comes open in your pocket. Yeah, and lifetime warranty on
these things.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
And let me tell you, stick that in a stocking
and watch the smile on your spouse's face when they
get that.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
There.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
There ain't hardly anyone walking earth that wouldn't want one
of those. I sell a ton of Christmas time. Yeah,
I can imagine so uh some great gifts. And of
course this time of year. Heck, it's on September, so
it's right around the corner on something like the engraving.
About what's the turnaround time on something like that? And

(46:34):
I know it matters what you're getting done, but average
maybe allow a couple of weeks or a couple of
weeks normally.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Yeah, that's not bad. I have it.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
The guy that does my engraving works for me part time.
So right now he's in New York, but he's coming
back here in a few days. But uh, normally, uh,
normally within a week, if he's in town, I can
have I can have it done.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
So very good. And another thing we want to mention
in addition to your store is you offer gunsmithing services. Uh.
Another thing that we're lucky to have around here is
good gunsmiths like you that they can fix I guess
pretty much any issue with a gun that's fixable most issues.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
Yeah, uh and uh, I'm a gunsmith. And then I
have another gunsmith that works for me, and he's very Uh.
He don't like to let a problem beat him, so
he's gonna he's.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Gonna work challenge. He likes the challenge.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
And so uh, we can do most things as long
as you know, as long as we can.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Get parts for it.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
Yeah, and uh, and some parts we even have to
make at times. But yeah, we do gunsmithing, and we
can thread barrels, we can lighten or trigger, we can
do custom stuff. We can just repair guns.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
The uh, you'll be surprised how many guns break out there,
you know, just common things that happened and shure, so
we can repair them. And we got pretty fast turned
around on that as well.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
And I'll tell you there's probably a lot of people
out there that have airloom guns, for example, that maybe
been passed down and maybe they want to see if
it's it's an operational order or uh, maybe it looks
like it's an operational order, but it's you know, one
hundred years old, and you want to make sure that
if you fired, it's gonna you know, it's not gonna

(48:27):
be a problem. Yeah, the barrel ain't gonna fly off.
That's something that they could take to you and you
can figure out for them.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
And I think we fixed every heirloom gun that was
in the closet during during COVID when everybody was home
and went through all their closets. Maybe we have so
many guns in for gunsmithing, and really, oh yeah, we
had a ton of them, ain't.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
That's something you know a lot of you're sitting around
your house and you're like, what is it that I
need to get done that I've never had because a
lot of people are stuck at home, and one of
those things was guns and painting your house. A lot
of people painting their house. Those sorts of things. I've got,
I believe it or not. I still have my very
first gun I ever got when I was about it

(49:09):
might have been nine years old. I got a crack
barrel shotgun to squore a hunt with a crack barrel.
And I still have that gun, but I'd be scared
to death the fire. I might let you look at
that one. It's probably good to go. But yeah, well
we'll just double check it make sure. Yeah, it's really
a cool, cool looking gun. And I'm a nostalgic guy.

(49:32):
So if if you have any gun smith in needs,
give them a call. Another thing I want to ask y'all.
Do y'all offer like zeroing out of weapons and things
like that.

Speaker 4 (49:44):
So we do free bore sighting on rifles. Bring it in, Well,
we'll bore sight it for you for free. It doesn't
take but just ten to fifteen seconds to actually knock
it out.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
And any any parts that you for most generally we
install them for free. Oh so if you buy scope
or or something like that, we install it for free
and we'll bore cite it.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Now.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
Bor siding isn't the same as zeroing, but it's going
to get you on paper and save you some AMMO.
You can zero it for you. I mean, it's really
ideal that you zero your own rifle. But sure, if
if you don't know how to or don't have the
time to do that, we can zero it for you.
But we can definitely boreside it for you for free. Yeah,
very cool, very good.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
How has I guess I would have this question for you?
You know, when you saw this law take effect or
lack of I guess lack of a law now where
you don't have to have the permit technically. One of
my thoughts when it first happened was, well, for someone
that teaches permit classes, this could be a good thing

(50:54):
or this could be a bad thing. You know, your
hope is that people say, I still want to learn,
regardless of whether I have to. And really major purpose
of why we're talking about this today is to hammer
down the fact that, you know the fact that you
have the right now to conceal that weapon. It's still

(51:18):
very important you educate yourself on it. Did you see
an uptick maybe or was it pretty much the same?
Or from a gun purchase standpoint, did you see a
jumping purchases of guns?

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Not really.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
You know, I've had several people come in and say, oh,
I don't need to permit anymore, and then I explained
to them why they probably still need to get a permit,
and there's some other reasons why to get a permit.
You know, you have the first of all, being able
to be within a thousand feet of a school with
a concealed handgun permit. I can walk right down Range
Boulevard right in front of Walker High School and the

(51:52):
elementary school there and have no fear whatsoever. Now I
can't step on to school property with it unlessen in
my vehicle. Yeah, but if you're otherwise just walking down road,
you can't get within a thousand feet of that school.
So that's one of the main benefits. Secondly is the reciprocity,
so being covered in thirty eight states total that you

(52:14):
can transfer, you can have that gun with you, and
then a lot of people, especially in Louisiana that have
twit cards and things like that, people get delayed when
they purchase a gun. When you purchase a gun in Louisiana,
you can Most people leave with the gun right after
they pay for it. You know, within minutes they're out
the door. Background check processes pretty quick some people, however,

(52:39):
though I know you probably ain't gonna believe this, but
our federal government's not very efficient.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
And.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
I know it's hard to believe, but people get delayed
for a variety of reasons. You might have a very
common name you might have you know, somebody used your
name in the past and and uh committed a crime
or or I mean just a variety of.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Reasons, believe it or not. I got delayed. I had
bought a pistol one time, and uh, the guy come
out and he says, well, it's five days and uh
and I said why and he said, I don't know us. Yeah,
they don't. They didn't tell and to this day, I
have no idea why. But uh, you know, I got

(53:28):
delayed and five days later he said, okay, you can
come in and get it. And so that's that was
fine with me. If if if they wanted to make
sure I wasn't CRUP, then that was fine. I was
curious as to why, but uh, I never did find out.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
But you can find out. You can contact the ATF
and UH they'll tell you why you got delayed. And
then issue was called a u PEN, a unique personal
identified personal identification number. But also if you have a
concealed handgun permit in Louisiana and you go to purchase
a gun, as long as a permit was issued in
the last five years, that we go online and make

(54:10):
sure you permit is still valid. That eliminates that background
check process. You still fill out the form, we just
don't have to call it into the ATF.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Okay, well, that's good to know. And also one other
thing on permits that I would also say is, just
like this law was changed to now you know permit,
let's carry, it can always change back. Oh yeah, and
you know, so if you have a lifetime permit concealed,

(54:39):
if it changes back, you have the same You don't
have to worry about it, and that big deal. So
for the cost of it alone, it's not an expensive clas,
it's not what I would classify as an expensive class.
But also on top of it, what you get out
of it, the value you get out of it is

(55:00):
worth so much more. And you've got that permit, you
don't have to worry about it no matter what the
law says, if you give any And I do support
the Second Amendment, but I also support education. And I
think that anybody that has a weapon that can kill
another person needs to be educated on how to use it.
And that's where you are so valuable and your business

(55:22):
is so valuable. With that, I also want to mention
that you can go on his website. It's Pdconcealed Carry
dot com and you can actually they have an option
where you can check out the classes and you can
schedule right there online. You can better than that, But
I encourage you to go out there because they have

(55:43):
a cool shop. Trust me, if you if you at
any length like guns or knives, you're gonna end up
there an hour and a half just staring at all
the cool stuff.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
And I promise you got some stuff in there that.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Just about anybody absolutely holsters. Also, y'all bullets if you
need just bullets, go go support local businesses. Get your
bullets from a local business like P and D gun Shop.
Promise you, David to take are the good people over there,
and thank you for coming on again and educating us

(56:17):
a little bit. Any final thoughts.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
The h no, I just want to thank you for
having me. I do want to mention one other thing
real quick, Jim, is you know when they signed Senate
Bill one, Blake Meguez also authored and got Senate Bill
two pushed through and signed by the governor, which went
into effect the same day on Independence Day of this year,
and Senate Bill to Another benefit of having that permit

(56:40):
is it gives community to civil lawsuits if if you're
otherwise justified, and they have to be otherwise justified. But
if if you use a gun in self defense and
they and law enforcement says you were justifying doing that,
if you have a concealed handgup permit, if you're a veteran,
or if you're law ENFORCEMN you have immunity from civil lawsuits.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
That's huge.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
That's and we're in a sue happy state.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
So that's what I was about to say. Let me
tell you if you're involved in a shooting, I'm gonna
give you a scenario of people. If you're involved in shooting,
someone comes on your property and they kicking your door
and you shoot them right there, they're going to see you.
If they love, They're going to see you, period, because

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some lawyer is going to get a hold of them
and say, you know, we can see these people. When
David just mentioned it has to be lawful, you know,
just like you teaching in your classes. If they're running
away from you and they're halfway out of your driveway
and you shoot them in the back four times, it's

(57:49):
not going to give you amenity on that right. But
if you're in the right and you're defending yourself, and
you can prove that you're defending yourself, that gives you
full immunity just by half that permit.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Correct, that's huge.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
And why do they give you that Because you have
education behind you. You've been to classes where you know
how to properly handle that situation.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
And I you know a lot of people will will say, well,
you know if you if you take a class, that
you're going to be held to a higher standard. And
I my argument to that is, you know, first of all,
if you have a lawyer that allows you to be
held to a higher standard, you need to fire them, right,
Because if I go out here to Range Boulevard and
on my motorcycle and do one hundred and fifty miles

(58:32):
an hour and never see a speed limit sign, does
that mean when I get pulled over that I'm not
going to get a ticket. No, I'm going to get
a ticket. Yeah. And just the fact that I didn't
know the speed limit is not going to be a defense, right.
And so when you educate yourself, you know, I view
it as I went and got educated, and therefore I

(58:55):
knew that I didn't have any other option, and the
gun was my last resort. Even if they don't, their family.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
Can sue you.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
That's right, that's right, very good point. And it's sad.
It's sad that defending yourself leads to those things, but
that is the world that we're in now, and so
education will not only keep you to where maybe you
don't put yourself in a position that you don't even
realize you're putting yourself in, because you know what's right

(59:23):
and what's wrong, and what's legal and what's not, but
it will also kind of kind of give you the
peace of mind of hey, we're standing behind you if
you get in a situation where something sadly would happen
like that. So protect yourself out there. People. It's a
it's a world's a crazy place right now, say the least.

(59:46):
But thank you again for coming on, love man, love
your business. I've bought things from you, about to take
a class you here pretty soon with with one of
David's classes, but also gonna get some more equipment that
we've been talking about. So maybe one day i'll set
it up for the next podcast we do. I'm not

(01:00:06):
gonna tell. I'll let y'all be surprised at what I'm getting,
but Thank you so much for coming on. I always
appreciate it and have a good time, all right, Jim,
I appreciate you. Thank all of y'all for listening and look,
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I'm gonna link it in the description of this podcast.

(01:00:27):
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because he's probably gonna be running some sales and things
like that as it gets closer to Christmas. And until
next time, I'm Jim Chapman reminding you love your community,
support local business, and keep it lating. Thank you very much,