June 12, 2024 • 49 mins
Dr. Cheryl Jean shares her journey of establishing Therapeutic Wellness, focusing on John Barnes myofascial release therapy. She discusses the importance of myofascia in the body's movement, emphasizing the need for therapy due to everyday traumas and stresses.
Cheryl's therapy addresses physical pain and emotional distress, showcasing its transformative impact in healing. In this edition of Local Leaders the Podcast Jim Chapman sits down with Cheryl Jeane as they explore using Myofascia release therapy to help with PTSD, fibromyalgia as well as the holistic wellness approach of myofascial release therapy.
Timestamps
01:01 Reconnecting with Cheryl Jean
02:08 Delving into Cheryl's Background
04:29 Staying Active and Fit
04:35 Overcoming Self-Doubt and Embracing Change
10:41 Understanding Myofascia 15:41 The Impact of Stress on Health
17:54 Addressing Fibromyalgia with Myofascial Release
20:06 Initiating the Therapeutic Process
22:01 Clarifying the Difference from Massage Therapy
23:25 Location and Education Journey
38:06 Forever Learning and Growth
39:53 Networking for Success
41:28 Referral Partners and Collaboration
43:25 The Impact on Anxiety
44:36 Childhood Dreams and Superpowers
46:42 Booking and Experience Details
47:33 Upcoming Events and Classes
Learn more by visiting Dr. Cheryl Jeane’s website at: https://www.cheryljeane.com
Cheryl's therapy addresses physical pain and emotional distress, showcasing its transformative impact in healing. In this edition of Local Leaders the Podcast Jim Chapman sits down with Cheryl Jeane as they explore using Myofascia release therapy to help with PTSD, fibromyalgia as well as the holistic wellness approach of myofascial release therapy.
Timestamps
01:01 Reconnecting with Cheryl Jean
02:08 Delving into Cheryl's Background
04:29 Staying Active and Fit
04:35 Overcoming Self-Doubt and Embracing Change
10:41 Understanding Myofascia 15:41 The Impact of Stress on Health
17:54 Addressing Fibromyalgia with Myofascial Release
20:06 Initiating the Therapeutic Process
22:01 Clarifying the Difference from Massage Therapy
23:25 Location and Education Journey
38:06 Forever Learning and Growth
39:53 Networking for Success
41:28 Referral Partners and Collaboration
43:25 The Impact on Anxiety
44:36 Childhood Dreams and Superpowers
46:42 Booking and Experience Details
47:33 Upcoming Events and Classes
Learn more by visiting Dr. Cheryl Jeane’s website at: https://www.cheryljeane.com
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me I've known for a long time, shel Jan. I don't know how
long we've known each other, butit's been many, many years. It's
been a while. You have workedon me, you have worked on my
kids, you have worked on mywife, and always done fantastic work.
So when we talked about doing thispodcast, I was excited. Therapeutic Wellness
your new company Well it's been arounda little while, but new were in
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the last few years. For sure. It is I started it well,
I started Therapeutic Wellness years ago,but as it sits today, I started
it about five years ago part time, yeah, that one day a week,
right, about one day a week, yeah, and then I went
full time in January of twenty twentythree, January twenty And it was around
twenty twenty when you were doing kindof the one day a week thing.
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Twenty twenty had a lot of peopledoing different things. You know, I
started this podcast here where we're recordingright now in twenty twenty and people are
always like, are you crazy?That was a crazy time to start,
but you know, it's worked outfor you, it's worked out for me.
And so we're going to kind oftell people a little bit about your
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history before we get into luck youramazing business. There's a lot about your
business that people may kind of befamiliar with, but we're going to dive
deep into that and give them alittle more knowledge on it. But you
grew up in New York, upstateNew York. I didn't realize it was
upstate till I moved out of state. It was just New York then,
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huh and what city was that?Schenectady. Yeah, and I had you
say that because you wrote it,and I'm like, I'm not even gonna
try to pronounce that. I knewthat it's Connectedy. Yes, there you
go it Schenectady, and guarantee there'ssomeone out there that's heard of that been
there or maybe even be from there. But you graduated from pt school that
was in the early nineties, Yes, and then you moved to Kentucky.
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Back then, they pets were inthe They're needed, and so a company
from Kentucky paid for part of mylast year of school. Very good,
very good. So you went thereand eventually, you know, you met
a guy. I did after Kentucky, I did traveling therapy, and then
I was in Hattiesburg, Mississippi,and met my husband and came here.
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Yeah. And here you are inDenham Springs and your husband is mister Patrick
Jean and he has a good historyout here in Denham Springs area. Yes,
he's I was from a good paintingfamily, the Harlan Painting Yeah.
Yeah, I'm very familiar with themand all very talented painters. And you
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have a daughter, yes, Joeyes, all right. And I know
one thing about you that you wroteon here that we need to mention,
and that's what you love traveling.I do like to travel, yeah,
all over the country, all overthe country. And and look, I
thought I used to follow you.Well, I still follow you on Facebook,
but I used to go on yourFacebook and I would see where you're
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at. And that's how I playmy trips. I'm like, that looks
like fun Natch's trace. That isfun. It looked like fun. And
you take great pictures, so thatwas always nice. But you like hiking,
so you're very active, try tobe yeah, So have you always
been that way? Always been active? And I have been. I did
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Jane Fonda back in the day.Yeah, put the lag warmers and that
takes me. And I believe abody in motion stays in motion. Yeah,
absolutely, it's uh, you know, I've always believed it was kind
of like a machine. You know, if you stop using it, you're
gonna it's gonna fall apart on you. Right, yep. So you started,
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as we mentioned, therapeutic wellness inJanuary of twenty twenty, and you
were kind of doing it one daya week while you had another job.
And you ended up eventually going fulltime in it in January of twenty twenty
three. Yes, tell me aboutthat. Tell me what the biggest challenge
has been since you went full timein it. Honestly, probably the biggest
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challenge is belief in myself. Yeah, yes, huh that surprises me.
Well, we all have self worth, is absolutely. I was with the
prior company for years, and Iwas the face of that company for years,
and when I was doing none,they told me in January of twenty
twenty three that I was no longerneeded to be there, and so there
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was my answer. But I hadbeen praying what do I do? And
God help me figure out what I'msupposed to do the most painless way possible.
So I was let go and that'swhat Cattile pulted me into doing this
full time. And it's been phenomenal. If I hadn't been let go,
I would always wonder, if thingsgot a little soul, maybe I should
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have done this. You just nailedit. But now I know that I'm
where I'm supposed to be or else. God want to shut that door because
sometimes people need that. They haveto have that door shut to open another
one. There's people out there thatare going to watch this that are in
that situation. I cannot tell youthe amount of people that have sat across
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from me, and I've talked tohundreds that have that same story that in
some of them they they needed thatto really do what they were meant to
be doing, right, And so, uh, you know, it's all
in God's plan. And maybe Godknew that you're loyal, You're you know,
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I know who you are, andso maybe he knew that, you
know, sometimes you have to bealmost forced in that direction, right,
And I was because I wouldn't haveleft if I wasn't right exactly. So,
Uh, Janie, we're twenty twentythree, there you are, and
you've got this business, and yousaid, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
stop. I'm gonna You know,you're extremely highly educated, and we'll get
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into that a little bit as well. But it had to be a little
figure in there for you. Italk about it all the time. When
I started this, I was,you know, as as confident as I
was in myself, and I knewif I applied myself, I could do
anything. Uh. I was prayingthat phone. We're worrying. There's no
doubt about it. Yeah, youknow, So you take off in January
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of twenty twenty three, and let'stalk about what you do. So I
am a physical therapist. I learnedabout the John Barnes Malfosh release process.
I don't know that process is theright word. Techniques maybe, Yeah,
when I was in Peach School.He's been around since the sixties, nineteen
sixties, and he's still around.I've taken many classes from him. Yeah,
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he's not teaching as much now.In October, I have classes scheduled
to be with him and hopefully hewill really. Oh that's cool. Yeah,
that cool. So anyway, soI learned about it in PT school,
but they said this method is abody mind connection and your clients may
have emotional releases. And in myyoung twenties, I'm like, what the
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heck am I going to do witha client if she starts or he start
to cry or something, you know, scared of tears. So I really
didn't do a lot about that then, but I learned some of the techniques
and I use them, some ofthe structural techniques. And then when I
moved here to Baton Rouge, Ilooked for a therapist that did this,
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and I could not find one.I probably took me till twenty sixteen to
find one that was even in thearea. But I was working at the
bat News General and we worked witha lot with the burn unit. It's
outpatient, so it was all softtissue scar management. And I worked with
a lady and we worked with breastcancer survivors and treatment from that, which
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is a lot of scarring. Icould see where you get your bedside manger
from, because those are two verytough especially the burning in it. Yeah,
very tough field area to be involvedin work in. H You know,
it's just what you think you wouldthink it is. It's a lot
of pain, it is, andby the time I saw them, a
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lot of that pain was. Itwas different because it was healed, but
it was all soft tissue. Itwas all scarring and some of the stuff.
The lady, the ot that Iworked with, had gone to some
of his John's classes and she taughtme some stuff. And then I started
doing some things and I didn't reallyknow what was happening. I just knew
if I put my hands on peopleand held them there for a while,
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things would shift and things would happenand they'd feel better. So I'd would
just say it's voodoo, you know, it's somefing the weazy. Yeah,
that's all I was about to say. It's not, and it's it's Uh,
I've done it. So It's onething I really like about doing this
podcast with you is I can Ican speak from experience, and I'll do
that in just a little while.But I know what you mean. Yeah.
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So when I started going to hisclasses, he put the science behind
what I was doing. So I'vereally been doing it longer than I've been
trained by him. Yeah, Soit just but it doesn't fit well in
a traditional physical therapy setting because it'sall one on one and you can't You've
got to see one patient at atime and you can't see multiple people at
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one time, right right, Thatmakes all the sense in the world.
So for those that may not befamiliar, explain myophacia to the laeman.
What does that mean? What doesit involve? So mile fascia is mile
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from muscle for fascia, So it'sa Actually someone a couple of years ago
said it was the late newest organthat was discovered, but it wasn't just
recently discovered it was kind of funny. But anyway, when you skin a
deer. We're from Livingston Parish here, so a lot of people have experience
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skinning an animal. There's that silverskin, that shiny stuff that is your
fascial system, and there's no beginningor no end to it. That's all
continuous. If you've seen it,understand that. If you haven't, you
yep. But almost everyone's seen thechicken at least, and you take the
skin off the chicken breast or thechicken thigh or whatever, and there's still
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that shiny stuff that's the fascial system. So it's around the whole body,
it's around each muscle and organ,but then it goes down to the cellular
level and it's in each cell membrane. So that makes it an integral web
that's three D. That's the shapeof you, and it holds things into
place. It has a biot insegrety a component to it, which is
a whole another podcast. But itholds scends into a place, so your
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heart stays where your heart's supposed tobe, whether you're standing up, lying
down, doing flips in the air, everything kind of stays. What's supposed
to be because it's held into placeby that tense style structure of the fascial
system. And if you think ofa bridge with the cables, that's the
tension holds the bridge in place,the tension from the cable. So if
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you think of that web inside ofus, it's that tension. So then
there's also a fluid component of itwhich is not seen any imaging, any
mri CT ultrasound photograph. You cannotsee that. And that's the other eighty
percent of the fascial system. Andthat's where a lot of other practitioners they
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aren't aware of that because medicine andanatomy was studied on avers and it's gone
when we die, it's gone.So the book that I have and I
won't even try to pronounce his name, maybe you can put it somewhere in
the comments in here. It waspublished in twenty fourteen. So that's how
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new the science is of how whatit looks like under the skin of a
live person versus someone a cadaver.Yeah, so it's just a netting on
us throughout your whole body, andit conforms with your body. Yes,
okay, And how would how wouldsomeone know I need this service. What
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what are some warning signs that maybethey need the service. I guess well,
if you want to start with birth, sure you have the trauma of
birth, of coming through. Sothere's that trauma. We have trauma learning
how to walk, we have trauma. I mean, even if you had
an ideal, whatever ideal is upbringing, there's always traumas that come through.
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Sure, for Pete's sake, Noweveryone's on their phone leaning forward. There's
something called cell phone neck. Allof that is our body wants to be
efficient. So if we are ina position for any period of time,
it's going to harden. So thatfascial system, that ground substance should be
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slashy like water. You shake awater bottle over time, it gets thick
like honey. Yeah, so itgets thicker, and then it can get
like if you have real honey,it will crystallize so it gets even firmer,
and then it can get this firmlike sap that's been ambered, ambered
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sap if y all know what thatis, and that's hard. That's as
hard as it. Yeah, itlooks like, yeah, it's marble.
And so that can put up totwo thousand pounds of pressure on a structure
and it won't show up on anyimaging. So why do people come and
see me? Often that come becausethey have pain somewhere, but some people
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come because they know of the componentthat the body is as the emotions and
the physical body are not separate.So some people come for emotional reasons anxiety,
depression, stress, stress, Ithink, and this would be just
a good part of this podcast tointerject. When I had it done,
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it was stress related. I wasjust under a lot of stress, which
was look, stress will kill you. You hear me, It will kill
you dead. And you know businessowners have stress. I mean you were
all with it, it's part ofit. But I was increasingly stressed.
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And I can tell you, Idon't know exactly what you did to Deestra
to make that go away, butI felt one hundred percent better after and
it was almost like I wanted toa zone or something. It's it's really
hard to explain, but stress willalso cause you to have pain. It
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does, and that's what got mestudying this even more. After the flood
of twenty sixteen, I realized peopleare showing up with back pain, neck
pain, shoulder pain, whatever painyou wanted to call it, but what
I was treating was PTSD. Veryinteresting and I realized that and that's a
real thing with that flood it is, that is a real thing. I
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know people that when it rains theygo into almost to panic. I mean
it's not outwardly, but inside therewatching the weather closely because they remember that
and they got caught in the middlelast time and they don't want to get
caught in the middle again. Andthat's just one example of what can cause
PTSD get one percent. Military guysabuse, all kinds of things. Yeah,
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and it's it's probably one of themost undiagnosed issues because with PTSD a
lot of times, especially men,men don't like to admit that they have
PTSD on things. They consider itweak, you know, And so I
can I'm with you on that andright. And when I first started,
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I was in a something just kindof was going on in my life and
I started having panic attacks. Ididn't know what they were, but I
described to just happen to describe,this is what happens to me. And
I said, you're having a panicattack. Well, if you don't know,
you don't know, right, SoI didn't know, so then once
I knew it, thought, oh, that's what that is. So either
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I have to get out get help, or I can say, surely you're
having a panic attack and do whateverI needed to do to participate that.
Yeah, right under control in thatsituation. Sure. Very interesting. So
I want to dig a little deeperinto that, and I want to ask
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you this question. Fibromilgia is thatsomething that would work well with what with
myophacia? It really does, andit gives answers to a lot of the
questions that the clients, clients peoplewho have that label have. There's actually
a book called the Fibro Manual,which is phenomenal. It's written by a
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physician who diagnosed with fibromyalgia in medicalschool and her whole training has been on
how to treat it. And thisis a big component of that because it's
a mile fascil system and stuff doesn'tshow up on imaging right when you have
that. And that's the issue becauseI don't want to say a typical doctor,
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but people are trained that they seean injury, they treat the injury,
and so they do an X rayand if your arm's broke, they're
going to fix your arm. Butif they can't see the injury, you
know, a lot of people don'tknow how to react to that. They
don't know how to help you ifthey can't actually see it on the next
ray, would you agree with thatthey write because that's how they're trained.
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They're trained to fix the problem.If they don't see a problem, they
don't know how to fix it.And the fascial system this way is new
science, so they don't may noteven be aware that that's how the fascial
system works because it's not I mean, I learned John Barnes method in PT
school in the early nineties, butI didn't learn the science behind it.
I just learned these are his techniques. Well, and you're very limited in
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what you do, and that there'sonly a few people in the entire state
there is they practice that right there. There's four in the Baton Rouge,
Livingston Parish, New Orleans area thatdo this full time. Yeah, yeah,
that's limited. That's three and ahalf. Yeah, yeah, so
that you know what for you,I mean, it's deasently a good thing
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that you're in a you're in amarket where you needed and it's understaffed.
I guess you could say so thatthat is always a good thing. And
I want to talk about the process. So if somebody maybe they're listening right
now and they're saying, you knowwhat, I want to try that out
because I'm, you know, maybehaving some PTSD issues or maybe maybe I'm
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having some pain and I've tried everythingelse and it's not working. Take me
through the process of of what youwould do. There's a couple of ways.
So you can go to my websitevery easy, cherylg dot com.
There you go spelled c A gR Y L j E A n E,
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and we're going to link it toYEA. So if you're driving or
something, just click the link whenyou get home and you can schedule from
there, or you can call ortext me and that'll be in the link.
Also, texting is easier because Ican't answer my phone. I won't
answer my phone while i'm working onsomeone sure, and so if I'm between
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clients, I can quickly answer atext. I can do that quicker than
I can call. And you canalways email me, so you can get
me all those ways and I'll answeras soon as possible. But I will
say this sometimes I'll get out ofsession, and I'll have like eighteen text
message failing, and sometimes I goto tuch someone something else, I'm like,
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oh, there's the message and ithits send two three days ago I've
done that, or it slips downto where you don't ever see it,
you know. Sometimes, So ifI don't reply, reach out again because
it's because that's what's happened. Yeah, no doubt about it. And do
people confuse this with like just typicalmassage. It's a totally different modality.
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Yes, exactly, So they're they'redifferent. There's a different I guessed in
goalie with those two things, wouldn'tyou agree? Yes? Yeah. So
another interesting thing about what you dothat I didn't know until and I was
glad you put this on on yourlittle questionnaire, was uh, that you
can go to the patient. Ican? Yeah, So depending on where
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they are, I do go.I can't go to their to the to
where they are. I prefer itto be at a business. Yeah,
so like customer appreciation, I canbring my chair or I can bring my
table. Honestly, I'm very pickyabout if I go to their home.
I need to know them absolutely,one hundred percent. Yes, being honest
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that's right. No, that's that'shonest and safe. But a situation where
you know you're doing you're going toa business and they're having a whatever or
grain opening or something like that,and it's she come there and and kind
of show people how how it worksmaybe or whatever. Or I can go
and do a full treatment and setup in a like a quiet area and
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you can send you and see.That would be me because what I hate
is having to leave here. Havingto leave my office is like pulling teeth
with me. You know, Ijust feel like a fish out of water.
So it's convenient for people like methat I hate to leave the office.
But I was happy to see thatyou also have a space at doctor
Ripples. Yes, okay, sixteeneighty Benton Lanes, corner of Florida and
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Benton. Let's talk about your educationreal Q. So you got your doctorate.
I did. Back when I wentto pet school, there was a
doctorate wasn't available, so I gotmy bachelor's. Then I went back and
got my doctorate, I guess twentytwelve. Yeah, and I'm a forever
learner. Yeah. I think Ispent well, we won't say how much
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I spent a lot probably the past. Well, in twenty twenty. In
twenty twenty one, it didn't takeas many classes, but in twenty two
and twenty three I took over sixclasses, so it was over. I
remember, I can't do the maththat quick in my head. Yeah,
but of continuing education because I justbelieve in that, and that's formal classes
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that I've been to doesn't count anythingelse. And you have a huge passion
for it, which if you knowRyl Jane, you know that already.
But I'm telling y'all, I don'tthink there's anybody that loves the anatomy of
the human body and how it worksand more than you do. I mean,
it just seems like that's something thathas intrigued you ever since fun Yeah,
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yeah, absolutely, and since theninth grade. That's when I decided
I wanted to be a pet.Yeah, that's pretty cool. I wanted
to be a football player. Inmost I thought I was gonna play for
the Dallas Cowboys. So that's prettyawesome that you're pretty much your entire life
from the time you figure out whatyou at least found it interesting, You've
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want to do this, and hereyou are now and you're still doing it,
yes, and making it happen.Not only doing that, but your
own business, you know, Andthat's that's the beautiful thing there. As
you said, you're a forever learner. You're someone that you love to learn
new information. And I would imaginein your field, something's always coming up.
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They're science is constantly learning, right, They're figuring new ways to do
things. It is we will neverunderstand the total body, will never understand
the whole body totally. And whatI've also learned is to always approach each
class as a beginner. Yeah.So I have retaken a class and last
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year and when the first time Itook it, I'm like, I knew
most of that stuff. Yeah.The second time I took it, I
said, crap, I didn't knowanything. So I went back. I
actually and I took it from thesame teacher. Yeah, And I went
back and I looked, I said, the books cannot be the same,
right, They're exactly the same.But I came from a different standpoint.
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I was at a different part ofmy life, a different part of my
learning journey. I went in asa beginner, and it was like a
whole new class. Yeah, yourwhole perspective changed. And that's interesting.
You never step in the same rivertwice. I like that. You never
step in the same river twice.That's a fact. Cheryl Jean knows a
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lot about a lot when it comesto not only what she's doing with her
business, but also other aspects ofthat business. I took a class from
you one time. I don't rememberwhat it was, but it wore me
out. It might have been yanyoga or something, some sort of class,
and I was going, I wasthe only guy in there, y'all.
I was like, why am Ithe only dude in here? But
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let me tell you. It waschallenging. It was about thirty minutes of
all kinds of crazy stuff. Thatmight have been pie pia, That's what
it was. Yeah, pia istough. It is really tough. But
I had a great time doing it. I was sore for about a while.
I needed the maya facient after thatyou did. And and before we
get on that topic with the mayafacia, if if you have soreness,
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you know, you work out orsomething. Maybe maybe you ever do it
a little bit, or you workout for the first time in a long
time, and everybody knows that threeday soreness after that where you can't lift
your arm above your head because yourchest is hurting. Would that be something
good for Yes, Okay. Myrule of thumb with my clients is I
teach them. I teach them stretchesalways. You can always try heater ice.
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Some people have portable tens units athome and stretch and if it doesn't
get better in two or three days, if it doesn't make a change,
you need to get going and getsome help. Yeah, because the sooner
you can get treated, the lesstime it takes you to get back to
where you want to be. Yeah, that's a that's a great point.
So you do do some other thingsand you teach you and yoga we brought
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that up earlier. Yeah, Iteach you in yoga. That is an
extension of my table because what Ido on the table is three to five
minute holds. So here at yanyoga, you teach you learn how to
do it yourself. Yeah, andwhat is yan yoga? That's I'm actually
going to change the name too,or need to change the name to mile
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fashi in because some people get afraidof yo yoga. Yeah, and they
think it's too hard because of yourexperience, which is plate's yoga yan yoga.
If you think of yin and yang, most people understand that yang is
how we live most of the time. You got to go, go,
go, You gotta get this done, you got to meet this deadline.
You got to push harder, yougot to lift harder, heavier, you
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got to run faster, and welive in that. Sure. Yin is
exact opposite, So you're going tocome in. The classes are usually about
an hour long, and you changepositions twelve times, so every three to
five minutes, do a little bitof movement and then we go to a
new position. So it's really agood deep stretch that gets deep into the
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fascial system. It helps you learnhow to self treat. Yeah, very
interesting, which brings me into someother classes I teach other self treat classes.
I had to do a hip andback, one neck and shoulder.
I do one called malfascial facial.However, there's a connection between your face
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and your pelvis. Really, everytime I've taught that class, someone's hips
are released. Really have to cometo class. Yeah, that's interesting,
but I can teach other classes.I can teach other classes depending on like
if I went to a company andthey wanted something specific for their company because
they're having injuries in a certain way, or they want to prevent injuries,
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or they want stress management, Ican design classes for a particular population if
that's what they want. Yeah,you brought up earlier emotions in maya fascia.
Have you ever experienced people just flatout crying on you? People have
cried, people have laughed, peoplehave sworn, people have screamed wow.
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And it doesn't It doesn't happen allthe time. A lot of times people
just are chill. But we knowthe emotion. We talk about it.
Man, I'm so stressed my neckis killing me, or got a stress
headache, or or man I feltit like a punch in the gut.
We say these things with emotions andpain. It's in our language. I
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think we just forgot that it liesthere. There's a book called The Body
Keeps the Score, which really talksabout how your body keeps score of whatever
life has happened to you. It'sa really neat book to listen to read.
Interesting, Yeah, listen to orread nowadays because you got both options.
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Yeah, and so let's talk aboutTMJ's connection with pelvis. So that's
what I was talking about because that'sclass. In the mild fast facial class,
we do something a technique for TMJ. But embryonically, your pelvis and
your jaw were right together, andthen your spine has grown in between it,
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so there's a huge component there.So it's usually if there's a rotation
or there's a problem at the pelvis, there's going to be a problem at
the jaw and in your temporal bones, and it's going to mirror what's happening
at your pelvis. That is sointeresting, and not only in that particular
example, but you and I weretalking off camera about how an injury can
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feel like it's in one area andit's actually in another. Usually where the
problem is is not where the symptomsare. Is where you're feeling the pain
or feeling the itchen or feeling whateverit is is usually not where the problem
is. Yeah, that's that's interesting. So if you're you know, you
could be robbing your your your armand it actually be your neck. It's
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the issue. It could be yourneck. It could come from because of
that that, Yeah, because ofthe intricate web. So if you think
of a sweater and then picture atthree D. If you pull a snag
in that sweater, it can goin four hundred thousand different directions right minimum,
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because there's all those different cells,and it have fingers up, so
you might get a snag like sayyour snag is a C section scar,
you might get a snag there.Well, it can go into organs,
it can wrap around you know,your digestive system, so things don't flow
the way they need to flow Floapiantubes. Stuff to flow in and flow
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out of there to make a baby. And if the fascial system is tight
on there, it can crimp itlike a hose. But it can also
pull up into your shoulder. Alot of times I'm working on the soas,
which is a deep muscle in yourback that I get to from your
front, and people feel it intheir neck. They'll feel it or their
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face will get hot, or theyfeel it in the opposite shoulder, or
they feel it down the other leg. I mean, you can it can
go literally any direction, and it'sjust fascinating. Every client's a difference.
Let me ask you this, whydo you do this? Why do you
think you do I want to helppeople live until they die I've watched so
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many patients over the years, especiallywith diabetes. You know, you go
and get the toe taken off,and you get the below the knee and
then above the knee. Well,that's something that you can see. But
a lot of us except aging assomething that just should happen. Okay,
well, now I can't run tothe mailbox. I have to walk.
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Well, now I can't even walkall the way to the mailbox. Now
I can't get out of my chair. All that stuff doesn't necessarily have to
happen, or you know what,I'm just old. I'm going to have
aches and pains. Yeah, alot of people say that too, But
it's because that fascial system is thick. You know, when you're a kid
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and you fell down the stairs,you got up and you just went on
right. Once you hit your fortiesor your fifties, you sleep funny and
you get out of bed and youget a kink and you walk crooked for
three weeks. Yeah, but it'sbecause that that stuff that should be slashy
is thick. So I really wantpeople to help them to be able to
move and do what they want.I want them to be able to play
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with their grandkids. My mother thereran It was raining outside, so she
ran from the car to the housecarrying my daughter who was two in her
seventies. Wow, my stepfather ateighty four, laying on his belly in
the middle of the floor playing agame with my daughter. She was about
four or five at the time,and he just gets up. Yeah,
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no grunting, no crawling over tosomething to pull them himself up. He
just got up. My dad,he passed away when I was sixteen.
He was always able to do andhad a heart of a child. So
I had great example in my parents. And that's really what I want to
help people do. Oh love that. Tell me about Regina Walker. Okay,
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she is the local hero for thatto me. She would come to
see me and we'd go to schedule. Well, I got a schedule around
my personal trainer and my golf,my golf instruction and whatever. I mean,
it's all these things that she becauseshe was forever learning, forever growing,
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forever keeping herself mobile. And shedid that her whole entire life.
And I had actually heard that shehad a tea time scheduled when she went
into the hospital and had told herher doctor that you have to get out
because I gotta go. I havea tea time, I gotta go play
golf. And that's what I wantpeople to be able to do, is
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to live, not just exist,but to live. There's a difference in
there, there is, yeah,and people accept existing because I think that's
all there is amen to that.I agree with that one hundred percent.
And they they don't know any otherway, you know, they like you
say, they feel these pains andthey just assume. You know, this
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comes with age and some things do. Look have I slowed down from the
time I was twenty, Yeah,probably, but that doesn't mean I can't
do and so some cases do betterat this age. You'd be surprised what
some fifty year old people can doin this world. I mean, you
really would. But you have tobelieve it here and you have to do
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what you have to listen to yourbody and what it's telling you. And
I think I firmly believe that's whereyou come in. And you're one of
a very limited group. I can'tsay that enough. There's there's not a
whole lot of people that are mastersof what you do. And I've done
it, I can speak to itand That's what I love about it.
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It works, It really does work. Your slogan, forever learning, always
a beginner is very fitting for youbecause you are forever learning. We just
discussed that you are someone that inthis field you have always seeked out knowledge
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and always a begin so you alwayslook at everything. If you go you're
starting, If you go with abeginner mindset, you can learn something.
If you go in that, Iknow it all. You're not going to
learn the squat and you're going topiss everyone off. Yeah, if you're
the smartest person in the room,you're in the wrong room, right.
That's what someone said to me along time ago. And I believe that.
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Let's talk about your networking. SoI believe, and I love featuring
people on this show that get backalso, I believe big time in networking.
You remember the Chamber Commerce I am. I've been a member probably eighteen
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years. Yeah. Yeah, Andlook, if you're a business owner and
you are not investing in your localChamber of Commerce here it's the Livingston Paris
Chamber of Commerce, you need tolook into it because they do a lot
of things behind the scenes to helpbusiness owners and uh, and it's a
great. Uh, it's a greatavenue I learned from other business owners and
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and uh you're also a member BEand I Business Networking International. I was
a member of BE and I fora very long time as well. And
uh, probably the best networking organizationout there in my opinion. Yeah,
if you're looking to build your business, B and I is by far superior
to anything else I've ever done.The chamber is great for other reasons,
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but for building business specifically, BEand I is what And they have the
education and again I'm a forever learner, but they have the education built in
that helps you really succeed. Yeah, they really do. It is the
cure for the common cold call.It is. I wish I could say
I coined that phrase. I didnot. Actually I got that from you
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years ago, and you still saythat one I do. Yeah, So
you know, one on one treatmentis essentially what you do. We talked
talked earlier about the difference between conventionalI guess you could say physical therapy and
what you're doing where where a lotof times it's group things. And many
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of us have had surgeries and stuffand they'll say, Okay, you need
to you need to do some physicaltherapy for six months. You know,
you had a shoulder surgery and yougo and you left the whatever it is
y'all do I'm not gonna try becauseyou're gonna be like, oh my gosh,
cutting this out. But you physicaltherapy right yourself. So the difference
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between that and my faceship primarily isthis is one on one, uh,
and it's very I don't have intenseas the it is. It's intense,
it's a it's uh, it isabsolutely something where even if it's stress related,
it maybe you you don't realize,uh that that pain in your neck
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is caused by stress. Headaches arecaused by stress a lot of times.
Yeah, I don't ever get headachesexcept for every now and then, and
every time I get them it iswhen I'm stressed. Right, So there's
I work well with traditional physical therapybecause they don't have time in the structure
of the business model of traditional physicaltherapy to do hands on for thirty to
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forty five to sixty minutes. Yeah, where that's what I do, and
that's what I was gonna You ledme right into that next question, which
was who were good referral partners foryou and traditional physical therapy gyms because I
still believe you've got to move andyou've got to exercise, and so I
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do a lot with resolute Fitness.Yeah, and a lot of the other
people over there. They are alot of the other local ERA gyms in
town. I know a lot ofthem, so I can help guide people
to what fits their personality and theirlocation. So those are good referral sources.
Chiropractors because again, they don't havethe time necessarily to spend an hour
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with their clients. Yeah, somechiropractors spend four to six minutes. That's
what they have budgeted. Not allof them, but quite a few that
I've talked to, so I cancompliment what they're doing. Would you if
someone has anxiety. We talked earlierabout PTSD, which is a form of
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anxiety, but let's say some othersort of anxiety. Maybe they're socially maybe
they have social anxiety. Some peoplehave that. I'm definitely not one of
those, but some people do.For those people, your service good.
I've had a couple people that Ican think of right now that have come
to me for other reasons, andanxiety was not one of them. One
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was when I was in traditional therapy, and that's not something you typically go
to traditional physical therapy with. Andtheir anxiety was noticeably decreased, and when
they were telling me about it,I realized it was from this treatment.
They didn't necessarily make the connection again, because that's not what you go to
traditional physical therapy for. But Idon't promise that anything we'll get fixed.
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But I know, yeah, Iknow it can help. I know,
I know it can help. Yeah, very good. So we do fun
facts on this shit. And whenI were at yours, I actually love
them. I loved the first one, and I want we do these just
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so people can kind of get toknow somebody outside of just their business and
learn a little bit about their poorpersonality. And I asked you, if
you had a yacht, what wouldyou name it? And you said,
enjoying the journey. That's perfect.Yep, that's perfect, And that's you're
on a journey now, right Yep. I actually had had T shirt made
(44:10):
with it when I did my triathlonbecause I knew I wasn't going to win,
and it was all about just havingfun while I was I was doing
doing the whole thing. Love thatjoined the journey as much and as much
as I love that answer, Iloved your next one. I asked you
what were you? What were whatdid you want to be when you were
like twelve? And you said,I think I was in middle school.
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All I was thinking about was clothes, shoes, and boys very good.
And that is probably most people atthat age, I believe it or not.
At one point. I remember backwhen I was twelve thirteen, somewhere
around there, I wanted to bea weather man. Could you see me
as a weather many? Tornado iscoming, everybody gets sheltered. I don't
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know. Weather to me has alwaysintrigued men's yes go for I asked you
if you had any superpower, whatwould it be if you could have any
superpower? And you said, andthis did not surprise me. You said,
to strengthen my intuition. So Ifind this. You can tell a
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lot about somebody. When you askthem that question, they say, and
uh, you know, some peoplesay I want to I would like to
be invisible, or I would liketo fly. But typically, and this
is not something that is told toanybody in advance, people in the health
(45:37):
care industry always answer similarly, soit's always something that it's carrying that's something
that is an unselfish superpower, right. I mean I wanted to fly you
know some mind. I mean Ijust wanted to fly around. But your
healthcare people typically it's more deep.I guess you could say, when so
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you're intuition, you want to youwould strengthen that, and that would be
that would be a great thing foranybody to have. I asked you about
traveling, and you answer it justhow I thought you would. You said,
why lamit myself? I love SedonaBAF. I've never been to BAF,
but my wife has It's beautiful.Yes, that's what she says.
Canada and uh, never been there. I've been to Alaska and that's beautiful,
(46:25):
but she tells me BAF is gorgeous. Uh. If distance wasn't an
option. And you and I shareboth of these places, Ireland and Iceland,
and I actually want to travel toboth of those both, especially Ireland.
I don't know what it is aboutIreland, but it just it's beautiful.
Yeah, it's green. Love it. You talked a little bit earlier
(46:47):
about how people can go about bookingwith you Cheryl Jean dot Com, which
I'm gonna link in this podcast.In the description and uh, so you
can go there. It'll give youall the information you need on setting up
an appointment and trying it out foryourself. Yes, anything else you want
to mention, No, thank youfor this opportunity. And this is something
(47:10):
you've had to experience. Yeah,you alluded to it earlier. It's hard
to put into words. It's rightbrain and left brain is the words,
so it's right brain work. It'sfeeling. So people often don't have words,
so we tried to put some ofthis into words, and you still
just have to experience it ready toget the full effect. Yes, and
(47:35):
we want to tell them about yourupcoming events before we get out of here.
Okay, so tell us about that. I typically have yin yoga going
on so in July, and i'llhave that. I am for the first
time. I'm going to do somefilm rolling classes. Upper body focus will
be in August, lower body willbe the end of this month June,
(47:57):
and then in September. I havefour class set up at Southeastern. I
think their next fiscal year starts inJuly, so you can sign up for
those classes. Very good, andthat's Southeastern at Livingston right there in Walker.
Yes, very good. Very goodand I'm always doing different things at
different places, So you can checkout social media Facebook, absolutely, and
I'm gonna put she's got a littlesheet in here with those upcoming events,
(48:21):
y'all, and I'm gonna post thaton our social so that people can see
that as well. Thank you,Thank you for coming by, thank you
for being you, and and uh, obviously I wish you all the success
in the world, and I hopepeople were able to get a little bit
of clarification on how important what youdo is and those who need it reach
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out to her before we get outof here. Also, I want to
thank a guy by the name ofMatt Deckard. I want to shout him
out. Look. He has beenfollowing Local Leaders podcasts since the beginning.
This guy shares all my stuff andhe is uh, he's just a great
fan of the show that really goesout of his way to make you know
(49:06):
he appreciates local business. And Ireally appreciate Matt Decker and just want to
shout him out. So thank you, sir for all you do to help
us get people like doctor Cheryl Janeout there in their business. And until
next time, I'm Jim Chapman.Reminding you love your community, support local
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me I've known for a long time, shel Jan. I don't know how
long we've known each other, butit's been many, many years. It's
been a while. You have workedon me, you have worked on my
kids, you have worked on mywife, and always done fantastic work.
So when we talked about doing thispodcast, I was excited. Therapeutic Wellness
your new company Well it's been arounda little while, but new were in
(01:30):
the last few years. For sure. It is I started it well,
I started Therapeutic Wellness years ago,but as it sits today, I started
it about five years ago part time, yeah, that one day a week,
right, about one day a week, yeah, and then I went
full time in January of twenty twentythree, January twenty And it was around
twenty twenty when you were doing kindof the one day a week thing.
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Twenty twenty had a lot of peopledoing different things. You know, I
started this podcast here where we're recordingright now in twenty twenty and people are
always like, are you crazy?That was a crazy time to start,
but you know, it's worked outfor you, it's worked out for me.
And so we're going to kind oftell people a little bit about your
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history before we get into luck youramazing business. There's a lot about your
business that people may kind of befamiliar with, but we're going to dive
deep into that and give them alittle more knowledge on it. But you
grew up in New York, upstateNew York. I didn't realize it was
upstate till I moved out of state. It was just New York then,
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huh and what city was that?Schenectady. Yeah, and I had you
say that because you wrote it,and I'm like, I'm not even gonna
try to pronounce that. I knewthat it's Connectedy. Yes, there you
go it Schenectady, and guarantee there'ssomeone out there that's heard of that been
there or maybe even be from there. But you graduated from pt school that
was in the early nineties, Yes, and then you moved to Kentucky.
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Back then, they pets were inthe They're needed, and so a company
from Kentucky paid for part of mylast year of school. Very good,
very good. So you went thereand eventually, you know, you met
a guy. I did after Kentucky, I did traveling therapy, and then
I was in Hattiesburg, Mississippi,and met my husband and came here.
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Yeah. And here you are inDenham Springs and your husband is mister Patrick
Jean and he has a good historyout here in Denham Springs area. Yes,
he's I was from a good paintingfamily, the Harlan Painting Yeah.
Yeah, I'm very familiar with themand all very talented painters. And you
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have a daughter, yes, Joeyes, all right. And I know
one thing about you that you wroteon here that we need to mention,
and that's what you love traveling.I do like to travel, yeah,
all over the country, all overthe country. And and look, I
thought I used to follow you.Well, I still follow you on Facebook,
but I used to go on yourFacebook and I would see where you're
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at. And that's how I playmy trips. I'm like, that looks
like fun Natch's trace. That isfun. It looked like fun. And
you take great pictures, so thatwas always nice. But you like hiking,
so you're very active, try tobe yeah, So have you always
been that way? Always been active? And I have been. I did
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Jane Fonda back in the day.Yeah, put the lag warmers and that
takes me. And I believe abody in motion stays in motion. Yeah,
absolutely, it's uh, you know, I've always believed it was kind
of like a machine. You know, if you stop using it, you're
gonna it's gonna fall apart on you. Right, yep. So you started,
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as we mentioned, therapeutic wellness inJanuary of twenty twenty, and you
were kind of doing it one daya week while you had another job.
And you ended up eventually going fulltime in it in January of twenty twenty
three. Yes, tell me aboutthat. Tell me what the biggest challenge
has been since you went full timein it. Honestly, probably the biggest
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challenge is belief in myself. Yeah, yes, huh that surprises me.
Well, we all have self worth, is absolutely. I was with the
prior company for years, and Iwas the face of that company for years,
and when I was doing none,they told me in January of twenty
twenty three that I was no longerneeded to be there, and so there
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was my answer. But I hadbeen praying what do I do? And
God help me figure out what I'msupposed to do the most painless way possible.
So I was let go and that'swhat Cattile pulted me into doing this
full time. And it's been phenomenal. If I hadn't been let go,
I would always wonder, if thingsgot a little soul, maybe I should
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have done this. You just nailedit. But now I know that I'm
where I'm supposed to be or else. God want to shut that door because
sometimes people need that. They haveto have that door shut to open another
one. There's people out there thatare going to watch this that are in
that situation. I cannot tell youthe amount of people that have sat across
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from me, and I've talked tohundreds that have that same story that in
some of them they they needed thatto really do what they were meant to
be doing, right, And so, uh, you know, it's all
in God's plan. And maybe Godknew that you're loyal, You're you know,
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I know who you are, andso maybe he knew that, you
know, sometimes you have to bealmost forced in that direction, right,
And I was because I wouldn't haveleft if I wasn't right exactly. So,
Uh, Janie, we're twenty twentythree, there you are, and
you've got this business, and yousaid, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
stop. I'm gonna You know,you're extremely highly educated, and we'll get
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into that a little bit as well. But it had to be a little
figure in there for you. Italk about it all the time. When
I started this, I was,you know, as as confident as I
was in myself, and I knewif I applied myself, I could do
anything. Uh. I was prayingthat phone. We're worrying. There's no
doubt about it. Yeah, youknow, So you take off in January
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of twenty twenty three, and let'stalk about what you do. So I
am a physical therapist. I learnedabout the John Barnes Malfosh release process.
I don't know that process is theright word. Techniques maybe, Yeah,
when I was in Peach School.He's been around since the sixties, nineteen
sixties, and he's still around.I've taken many classes from him. Yeah,
(07:57):
he's not teaching as much now.In October, I have classes scheduled
to be with him and hopefully hewill really. Oh that's cool. Yeah,
that cool. So anyway, soI learned about it in PT school,
but they said this method is abody mind connection and your clients may
have emotional releases. And in myyoung twenties, I'm like, what the
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heck am I going to do witha client if she starts or he start
to cry or something, you know, scared of tears. So I really
didn't do a lot about that then, but I learned some of the techniques
and I use them, some ofthe structural techniques. And then when I
moved here to Baton Rouge, Ilooked for a therapist that did this,
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and I could not find one.I probably took me till twenty sixteen to
find one that was even in thearea. But I was working at the
bat News General and we worked witha lot with the burn unit. It's
outpatient, so it was all softtissue scar management. And I worked with
a lady and we worked with breastcancer survivors and treatment from that, which
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is a lot of scarring. Icould see where you get your bedside manger
from, because those are two verytough especially the burning in it. Yeah,
very tough field area to be involvedin work in. H You know,
it's just what you think you wouldthink it is. It's a lot
of pain, it is, andby the time I saw them, a
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lot of that pain was. Itwas different because it was healed, but
it was all soft tissue. Itwas all scarring and some of the stuff.
The lady, the ot that Iworked with, had gone to some
of his John's classes and she taughtme some stuff. And then I started
doing some things and I didn't reallyknow what was happening. I just knew
if I put my hands on peopleand held them there for a while,
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things would shift and things would happenand they'd feel better. So I'd would
just say it's voodoo, you know, it's somefing the weazy. Yeah,
that's all I was about to say. It's not, and it's it's Uh,
I've done it. So It's onething I really like about doing this
podcast with you is I can Ican speak from experience, and I'll do
that in just a little while.But I know what you mean. Yeah.
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So when I started going to hisclasses, he put the science behind
what I was doing. So I'vereally been doing it longer than I've been
trained by him. Yeah, Soit just but it doesn't fit well in
a traditional physical therapy setting because it'sall one on one and you can't You've
got to see one patient at atime and you can't see multiple people at
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one time, right right, Thatmakes all the sense in the world.
So for those that may not befamiliar, explain myophacia to the laeman.
What does that mean? What doesit involve? So mile fascia is mile
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from muscle for fascia, So it'sa Actually someone a couple of years ago
said it was the late newest organthat was discovered, but it wasn't just
recently discovered it was kind of funny. But anyway, when you skin a
deer. We're from Livingston Parish here, so a lot of people have experience
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skinning an animal. There's that silverskin, that shiny stuff that is your
fascial system, and there's no beginningor no end to it. That's all
continuous. If you've seen it,understand that. If you haven't, you
yep. But almost everyone's seen thechicken at least, and you take the
skin off the chicken breast or thechicken thigh or whatever, and there's still
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that shiny stuff that's the fascial system. So it's around the whole body,
it's around each muscle and organ,but then it goes down to the cellular
level and it's in each cell membrane. So that makes it an integral web
that's three D. That's the shapeof you, and it holds things into
place. It has a biot insegrety a component to it, which is
a whole another podcast. But itholds scends into a place, so your
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heart stays where your heart's supposed tobe, whether you're standing up, lying
down, doing flips in the air, everything kind of stays. What's supposed
to be because it's held into placeby that tense style structure of the fascial
system. And if you think ofa bridge with the cables, that's the
tension holds the bridge in place,the tension from the cable. So if
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you think of that web inside ofus, it's that tension. So then
there's also a fluid component of itwhich is not seen any imaging, any
mri CT ultrasound photograph. You cannotsee that. And that's the other eighty
percent of the fascial system. Andthat's where a lot of other practitioners they
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aren't aware of that because medicine andanatomy was studied on avers and it's gone
when we die, it's gone.So the book that I have and I
won't even try to pronounce his name, maybe you can put it somewhere in
the comments in here. It waspublished in twenty fourteen. So that's how
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new the science is of how whatit looks like under the skin of a
live person versus someone a cadaver.Yeah, so it's just a netting on
us throughout your whole body, andit conforms with your body. Yes,
okay, And how would how wouldsomeone know I need this service. What
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what are some warning signs that maybethey need the service. I guess well,
if you want to start with birth, sure you have the trauma of
birth, of coming through. Sothere's that trauma. We have trauma learning
how to walk, we have trauma. I mean, even if you had
an ideal, whatever ideal is upbringing, there's always traumas that come through.
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Sure, for Pete's sake, Noweveryone's on their phone leaning forward. There's
something called cell phone neck. Allof that is our body wants to be
efficient. So if we are ina position for any period of time,
it's going to harden. So thatfascial system, that ground substance should be
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slashy like water. You shake awater bottle over time, it gets thick
like honey. Yeah, so itgets thicker, and then it can get
like if you have real honey,it will crystallize so it gets even firmer,
and then it can get this firmlike sap that's been ambered, ambered
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sap if y all know what thatis, and that's hard. That's as
hard as it. Yeah, itlooks like, yeah, it's marble.
And so that can put up totwo thousand pounds of pressure on a structure
and it won't show up on anyimaging. So why do people come and
see me? Often that come becausethey have pain somewhere, but some people
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come because they know of the componentthat the body is as the emotions and
the physical body are not separate.So some people come for emotional reasons anxiety,
depression, stress, stress, Ithink, and this would be just
a good part of this podcast tointerject. When I had it done,
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it was stress related. I wasjust under a lot of stress, which
was look, stress will kill you. You hear me, It will kill
you dead. And you know businessowners have stress. I mean you were
all with it, it's part ofit. But I was increasingly stressed.
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And I can tell you, Idon't know exactly what you did to Deestra
to make that go away, butI felt one hundred percent better after and
it was almost like I wanted toa zone or something. It's it's really
hard to explain, but stress willalso cause you to have pain. It
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does, and that's what got mestudying this even more. After the flood
of twenty sixteen, I realized peopleare showing up with back pain, neck
pain, shoulder pain, whatever painyou wanted to call it, but what
I was treating was PTSD. Veryinteresting and I realized that and that's a
real thing with that flood it is, that is a real thing. I
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know people that when it rains theygo into almost to panic. I mean
it's not outwardly, but inside therewatching the weather closely because they remember that
and they got caught in the middlelast time and they don't want to get
caught in the middle again. Andthat's just one example of what can cause
PTSD get one percent. Military guysabuse, all kinds of things. Yeah,
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and it's it's probably one of themost undiagnosed issues because with PTSD a
lot of times, especially men,men don't like to admit that they have
PTSD on things. They consider itweak, you know, And so I
can I'm with you on that andright. And when I first started,
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I was in a something just kindof was going on in my life and
I started having panic attacks. Ididn't know what they were, but I
described to just happen to describe,this is what happens to me. And
I said, you're having a panicattack. Well, if you don't know,
you don't know, right, SoI didn't know, so then once
I knew it, thought, oh, that's what that is. So either
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I have to get out get help, or I can say, surely you're
having a panic attack and do whateverI needed to do to participate that.
Yeah, right under control in thatsituation. Sure. Very interesting. So
I want to dig a little deeperinto that, and I want to ask
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you this question. Fibromilgia is thatsomething that would work well with what with
myophacia? It really does, andit gives answers to a lot of the
questions that the clients, clients peoplewho have that label have. There's actually
a book called the Fibro Manual,which is phenomenal. It's written by a
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physician who diagnosed with fibromyalgia in medicalschool and her whole training has been on
how to treat it. And thisis a big component of that because it's
a mile fascil system and stuff doesn'tshow up on imaging right when you have
that. And that's the issue becauseI don't want to say a typical doctor,
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but people are trained that they seean injury, they treat the injury,
and so they do an X rayand if your arm's broke, they're
going to fix your arm. Butif they can't see the injury, you
know, a lot of people don'tknow how to react to that. They
don't know how to help you ifthey can't actually see it on the next
ray, would you agree with thatthey write because that's how they're trained.
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They're trained to fix the problem.If they don't see a problem, they
don't know how to fix it.And the fascial system this way is new
science, so they don't may noteven be aware that that's how the fascial
system works because it's not I mean, I learned John Barnes method in PT
school in the early nineties, butI didn't learn the science behind it.
I just learned these are his techniques. Well, and you're very limited in
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what you do, and that there'sonly a few people in the entire state
there is they practice that right there. There's four in the Baton Rouge,
Livingston Parish, New Orleans area thatdo this full time. Yeah, yeah,
that's limited. That's three and ahalf. Yeah, yeah, so
that you know what for you,I mean, it's deasently a good thing
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that you're in a you're in amarket where you needed and it's understaffed.
I guess you could say so thatthat is always a good thing. And
I want to talk about the process. So if somebody maybe they're listening right
now and they're saying, you knowwhat, I want to try that out
because I'm, you know, maybehaving some PTSD issues or maybe maybe I'm
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having some pain and I've tried everythingelse and it's not working. Take me
through the process of of what youwould do. There's a couple of ways.
So you can go to my websitevery easy, cherylg dot com.
There you go spelled c A gR Y L j E A n E,
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and we're going to link it toYEA. So if you're driving or
something, just click the link whenyou get home and you can schedule from
there, or you can call ortext me and that'll be in the link.
Also, texting is easier because Ican't answer my phone. I won't
answer my phone while i'm working onsomeone sure, and so if I'm between
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clients, I can quickly answer atext. I can do that quicker than
I can call. And you canalways email me, so you can get
me all those ways and I'll answeras soon as possible. But I will
say this sometimes I'll get out ofsession, and I'll have like eighteen text
message failing, and sometimes I goto tuch someone something else, I'm like,
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oh, there's the message and ithits send two three days ago I've
done that, or it slips downto where you don't ever see it,
you know. Sometimes, So ifI don't reply, reach out again because
it's because that's what's happened. Yeah, no doubt about it. And do
people confuse this with like just typicalmassage. It's a totally different modality.
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Yes, exactly, So they're they'redifferent. There's a different I guessed in
goalie with those two things, wouldn'tyou agree? Yes? Yeah. So
another interesting thing about what you dothat I didn't know until and I was
glad you put this on on yourlittle questionnaire, was uh, that you
can go to the patient. Ican? Yeah, So depending on where
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they are, I do go.I can't go to their to the to
where they are. I prefer itto be at a business. Yeah,
so like customer appreciation, I canbring my chair or I can bring my
table. Honestly, I'm very pickyabout if I go to their home.
I need to know them absolutely,one hundred percent. Yes, being honest
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that's right. No, that's that'shonest and safe. But a situation where
you know you're doing you're going toa business and they're having a whatever or
grain opening or something like that,and it's she come there and and kind
of show people how how it worksmaybe or whatever. Or I can go
and do a full treatment and setup in a like a quiet area and
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you can send you and see.That would be me because what I hate
is having to leave here. Havingto leave my office is like pulling teeth
with me. You know, Ijust feel like a fish out of water.
So it's convenient for people like methat I hate to leave the office.
But I was happy to see thatyou also have a space at doctor
Ripples. Yes, okay, sixteeneighty Benton Lanes, corner of Florida and
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Benton. Let's talk about your educationreal Q. So you got your doctorate.
I did. Back when I wentto pet school, there was a
doctorate wasn't available, so I gotmy bachelor's. Then I went back and
got my doctorate, I guess twentytwelve. Yeah, and I'm a forever
learner. Yeah. I think Ispent well, we won't say how much
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I spent a lot probably the past. Well, in twenty twenty. In
twenty twenty one, it didn't takeas many classes, but in twenty two
and twenty three I took over sixclasses, so it was over. I
remember, I can't do the maththat quick in my head. Yeah,
but of continuing education because I justbelieve in that, and that's formal classes
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that I've been to doesn't count anythingelse. And you have a huge passion
for it, which if you knowRyl Jane, you know that already.
But I'm telling y'all, I don'tthink there's anybody that loves the anatomy of
the human body and how it worksand more than you do. I mean,
it just seems like that's something thathas intrigued you ever since fun Yeah,
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yeah, absolutely, and since theninth grade. That's when I decided
I wanted to be a pet.Yeah, that's pretty cool. I wanted
to be a football player. Inmost I thought I was gonna play for
the Dallas Cowboys. So that's prettyawesome that you're pretty much your entire life
from the time you figure out whatyou at least found it interesting, You've
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want to do this, and hereyou are now and you're still doing it,
yes, and making it happen.Not only doing that, but your
own business, you know, Andthat's that's the beautiful thing there. As
you said, you're a forever learner. You're someone that you love to learn
new information. And I would imaginein your field, something's always coming up.
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They're science is constantly learning, right, They're figuring new ways to do
things. It is we will neverunderstand the total body, will never understand
the whole body totally. And whatI've also learned is to always approach each
class as a beginner. Yeah.So I have retaken a class and last
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year and when the first time Itook it, I'm like, I knew
most of that stuff. Yeah.The second time I took it, I
said, crap, I didn't knowanything. So I went back. I
actually and I took it from thesame teacher. Yeah, And I went
back and I looked, I said, the books cannot be the same,
right, They're exactly the same.But I came from a different standpoint.
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I was at a different part ofmy life, a different part of my
learning journey. I went in asa beginner, and it was like a
whole new class. Yeah, yourwhole perspective changed. And that's interesting.
You never step in the same rivertwice. I like that. You never
step in the same river twice.That's a fact. Cheryl Jean knows a
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lot about a lot when it comesto not only what she's doing with her
business, but also other aspects ofthat business. I took a class from
you one time. I don't rememberwhat it was, but it wore me
out. It might have been yanyoga or something, some sort of class,
and I was going, I wasthe only guy in there, y'all.
I was like, why am Ithe only dude in here? But
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let me tell you. It waschallenging. It was about thirty minutes of
all kinds of crazy stuff. Thatmight have been pie pia, That's what
it was. Yeah, pia istough. It is really tough. But
I had a great time doing it. I was sore for about a while.
I needed the maya facient after thatyou did. And and before we
get on that topic with the mayafacia, if if you have soreness,
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you know, you work out orsomething. Maybe maybe you ever do it
a little bit, or you workout for the first time in a long
time, and everybody knows that threeday soreness after that where you can't lift
your arm above your head because yourchest is hurting. Would that be something
good for Yes, Okay. Myrule of thumb with my clients is I
teach them. I teach them stretchesalways. You can always try heater ice.
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Some people have portable tens units athome and stretch and if it doesn't
get better in two or three days, if it doesn't make a change,
you need to get going and getsome help. Yeah, because the sooner
you can get treated, the lesstime it takes you to get back to
where you want to be. Yeah, that's a that's a great point.
So you do do some other thingsand you teach you and yoga we brought
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that up earlier. Yeah, Iteach you in yoga. That is an
extension of my table because what Ido on the table is three to five
minute holds. So here at yanyoga, you teach you learn how to
do it yourself. Yeah, andwhat is yan yoga? That's I'm actually
going to change the name too,or need to change the name to mile
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fashi in because some people get afraidof yo yoga. Yeah, and they
think it's too hard because of yourexperience, which is plate's yoga yan yoga.
If you think of yin and yang, most people understand that yang is
how we live most of the time. You got to go, go,
go, You gotta get this done, you got to meet this deadline.
You got to push harder, yougot to lift harder, heavier, you
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got to run faster, and welive in that. Sure. Yin is
exact opposite, So you're going tocome in. The classes are usually about
an hour long, and you changepositions twelve times, so every three to
five minutes, do a little bitof movement and then we go to a
new position. So it's really agood deep stretch that gets deep into the
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fascial system. It helps you learnhow to self treat. Yeah, very
interesting, which brings me into someother classes I teach other self treat classes.
I had to do a hip andback, one neck and shoulder.
I do one called malfascial facial.However, there's a connection between your face
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and your pelvis. Really, everytime I've taught that class, someone's hips
are released. Really have to cometo class. Yeah, that's interesting,
but I can teach other classes.I can teach other classes depending on like
if I went to a company andthey wanted something specific for their company because
they're having injuries in a certain way, or they want to prevent injuries,
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or they want stress management, Ican design classes for a particular population if
that's what they want. Yeah,you brought up earlier emotions in maya fascia.
Have you ever experienced people just flatout crying on you? People have
cried, people have laughed, peoplehave sworn, people have screamed wow.
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And it doesn't It doesn't happen allthe time. A lot of times people
just are chill. But we knowthe emotion. We talk about it.
Man, I'm so stressed my neckis killing me, or got a stress
headache, or or man I feltit like a punch in the gut.
We say these things with emotions andpain. It's in our language. I
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think we just forgot that it liesthere. There's a book called The Body
Keeps the Score, which really talksabout how your body keeps score of whatever
life has happened to you. It'sa really neat book to listen to read.
Interesting, Yeah, listen to orread nowadays because you got both options.
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Yeah, and so let's talk aboutTMJ's connection with pelvis. So that's
what I was talking about because that'sclass. In the mild fast facial class,
we do something a technique for TMJ. But embryonically, your pelvis and
your jaw were right together, andthen your spine has grown in between it,
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so there's a huge component there.So it's usually if there's a rotation
or there's a problem at the pelvis, there's going to be a problem at
the jaw and in your temporal bones, and it's going to mirror what's happening
at your pelvis. That is sointeresting, and not only in that particular
example, but you and I weretalking off camera about how an injury can
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feel like it's in one area andit's actually in another. Usually where the
problem is is not where the symptomsare. Is where you're feeling the pain
or feeling the itchen or feeling whateverit is is usually not where the problem
is. Yeah, that's that's interesting. So if you're you know, you
could be robbing your your your armand it actually be your neck. It's
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the issue. It could be yourneck. It could come from because of
that that, Yeah, because ofthe intricate web. So if you think
of a sweater and then picture atthree D. If you pull a snag
in that sweater, it can goin four hundred thousand different directions right minimum,
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because there's all those different cells,and it have fingers up, so
you might get a snag like sayyour snag is a C section scar,
you might get a snag there.Well, it can go into organs,
it can wrap around you know,your digestive system, so things don't flow
the way they need to flow Floapiantubes. Stuff to flow in and flow
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out of there to make a baby. And if the fascial system is tight
on there, it can crimp itlike a hose. But it can also
pull up into your shoulder. Alot of times I'm working on the soas,
which is a deep muscle in yourback that I get to from your
front, and people feel it intheir neck. They'll feel it or their
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face will get hot, or theyfeel it in the opposite shoulder, or
they feel it down the other leg. I mean, you can it can
go literally any direction, and it'sjust fascinating. Every client's a difference.
Let me ask you this, whydo you do this? Why do you
think you do I want to helppeople live until they die I've watched so
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many patients over the years, especiallywith diabetes. You know, you go
and get the toe taken off,and you get the below the knee and
then above the knee. Well,that's something that you can see. But
a lot of us except aging assomething that just should happen. Okay,
well, now I can't run tothe mailbox. I have to walk.
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Well, now I can't even walkall the way to the mailbox. Now
I can't get out of my chair. All that stuff doesn't necessarily have to
happen, or you know what,I'm just old. I'm going to have
aches and pains. Yeah, alot of people say that too, But
it's because that fascial system is thick. You know, when you're a kid
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and you fell down the stairs,you got up and you just went on
right. Once you hit your fortiesor your fifties, you sleep funny and
you get out of bed and youget a kink and you walk crooked for
three weeks. Yeah, but it'sbecause that that stuff that should be slashy
is thick. So I really wantpeople to help them to be able to
move and do what they want.I want them to be able to play
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with their grandkids. My mother thereran It was raining outside, so she
ran from the car to the housecarrying my daughter who was two in her
seventies. Wow, my stepfather ateighty four, laying on his belly in
the middle of the floor playing agame with my daughter. She was about
four or five at the time,and he just gets up. Yeah,
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no grunting, no crawling over tosomething to pull them himself up. He
just got up. My dad,he passed away when I was sixteen.
He was always able to do andhad a heart of a child. So
I had great example in my parents. And that's really what I want to
help people do. Oh love that. Tell me about Regina Walker. Okay,
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she is the local hero for thatto me. She would come to
see me and we'd go to schedule. Well, I got a schedule around
my personal trainer and my golf,my golf instruction and whatever. I mean,
it's all these things that she becauseshe was forever learning, forever growing,
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forever keeping herself mobile. And shedid that her whole entire life.
And I had actually heard that shehad a tea time scheduled when she went
into the hospital and had told herher doctor that you have to get out
because I gotta go. I havea tea time, I gotta go play
golf. And that's what I wantpeople to be able to do, is
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to live, not just exist,but to live. There's a difference in
there, there is, yeah,and people accept existing because I think that's
all there is amen to that.I agree with that one hundred percent.
And they they don't know any otherway, you know, they like you
say, they feel these pains andthey just assume. You know, this
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comes with age and some things do. Look have I slowed down from the
time I was twenty, Yeah,probably, but that doesn't mean I can't
do and so some cases do betterat this age. You'd be surprised what
some fifty year old people can doin this world. I mean, you
really would. But you have tobelieve it here and you have to do
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what you have to listen to yourbody and what it's telling you. And
I think I firmly believe that's whereyou come in. And you're one of
a very limited group. I can'tsay that enough. There's there's not a
whole lot of people that are mastersof what you do. And I've done
it, I can speak to itand That's what I love about it.
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It works, It really does work. Your slogan, forever learning, always
a beginner is very fitting for youbecause you are forever learning. We just
discussed that you are someone that inthis field you have always seeked out knowledge
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and always a begin so you alwayslook at everything. If you go you're
starting, If you go with abeginner mindset, you can learn something.
If you go in that, Iknow it all. You're not going to
learn the squat and you're going topiss everyone off. Yeah, if you're
the smartest person in the room,you're in the wrong room, right.
That's what someone said to me along time ago. And I believe that.
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Let's talk about your networking. SoI believe, and I love featuring
people on this show that get backalso, I believe big time in networking.
You remember the Chamber Commerce I am. I've been a member probably eighteen
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years. Yeah. Yeah, Andlook, if you're a business owner and
you are not investing in your localChamber of Commerce here it's the Livingston Paris
Chamber of Commerce, you need tolook into it because they do a lot
of things behind the scenes to helpbusiness owners and uh, and it's a
great. Uh, it's a greatavenue I learned from other business owners and
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and uh you're also a member BEand I Business Networking International. I was
a member of BE and I fora very long time as well. And
uh, probably the best networking organizationout there in my opinion. Yeah,
if you're looking to build your business, B and I is by far superior
to anything else I've ever done.The chamber is great for other reasons,
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but for building business specifically, BEand I is what And they have the
education and again I'm a forever learner, but they have the education built in
that helps you really succeed. Yeah, they really do. It is the
cure for the common cold call.It is. I wish I could say
I coined that phrase. I didnot. Actually I got that from you
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years ago, and you still saythat one I do. Yeah, So
you know, one on one treatmentis essentially what you do. We talked
talked earlier about the difference between conventionalI guess you could say physical therapy and
what you're doing where where a lotof times it's group things. And many
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of us have had surgeries and stuffand they'll say, Okay, you need
to you need to do some physicaltherapy for six months. You know,
you had a shoulder surgery and yougo and you left the whatever it is
y'all do I'm not gonna try becauseyou're gonna be like, oh my gosh,
cutting this out. But you physicaltherapy right yourself. So the difference
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between that and my faceship primarily isthis is one on one, uh,
and it's very I don't have intenseas the it is. It's intense,
it's a it's uh, it isabsolutely something where even if it's stress related,
it maybe you you don't realize,uh that that pain in your neck
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is caused by stress. Headaches arecaused by stress a lot of times.
Yeah, I don't ever get headachesexcept for every now and then, and
every time I get them it iswhen I'm stressed. Right, So there's
I work well with traditional physical therapybecause they don't have time in the structure
of the business model of traditional physicaltherapy to do hands on for thirty to
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forty five to sixty minutes. Yeah, where that's what I do, and
that's what I was gonna You ledme right into that next question, which
was who were good referral partners foryou and traditional physical therapy gyms because I
still believe you've got to move andyou've got to exercise, and so I
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do a lot with resolute Fitness.Yeah, and a lot of the other
people over there. They are alot of the other local ERA gyms in
town. I know a lot ofthem, so I can help guide people
to what fits their personality and theirlocation. So those are good referral sources.
Chiropractors because again, they don't havethe time necessarily to spend an hour
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with their clients. Yeah, somechiropractors spend four to six minutes. That's
what they have budgeted. Not allof them, but quite a few that
I've talked to, so I cancompliment what they're doing. Would you if
someone has anxiety. We talked earlierabout PTSD, which is a form of
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anxiety, but let's say some othersort of anxiety. Maybe they're socially maybe
they have social anxiety. Some peoplehave that. I'm definitely not one of
those, but some people do.For those people, your service good.
I've had a couple people that Ican think of right now that have come
to me for other reasons, andanxiety was not one of them. One
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was when I was in traditional therapy, and that's not something you typically go
to traditional physical therapy with. Andtheir anxiety was noticeably decreased, and when
they were telling me about it,I realized it was from this treatment.
They didn't necessarily make the connection again, because that's not what you go to
traditional physical therapy for. But Idon't promise that anything we'll get fixed.
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But I know, yeah, Iknow it can help. I know,
I know it can help. Yeah, very good. So we do fun
facts on this shit. And whenI were at yours, I actually love
them. I loved the first one, and I want we do these just
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so people can kind of get toknow somebody outside of just their business and
learn a little bit about their poorpersonality. And I asked you, if
you had a yacht, what wouldyou name it? And you said,
enjoying the journey. That's perfect.Yep, that's perfect, And that's you're
on a journey now, right Yep. I actually had had T shirt made
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with it when I did my triathlonbecause I knew I wasn't going to win,
and it was all about just havingfun while I was I was doing
doing the whole thing. Love thatjoined the journey as much and as much
as I love that answer, Iloved your next one. I asked you
what were you? What were whatdid you want to be when you were
like twelve? And you said,I think I was in middle school.
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All I was thinking about was clothes, shoes, and boys very good.
And that is probably most people atthat age, I believe it or not.
At one point. I remember backwhen I was twelve thirteen, somewhere
around there, I wanted to bea weather man. Could you see me
as a weather many? Tornado iscoming, everybody gets sheltered. I don't
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know. Weather to me has alwaysintrigued men's yes go for I asked you
if you had any superpower, whatwould it be if you could have any
superpower? And you said, andthis did not surprise me. You said,
to strengthen my intuition. So Ifind this. You can tell a
(45:16):
lot about somebody. When you askthem that question, they say, and
uh, you know, some peoplesay I want to I would like to
be invisible, or I would liketo fly. But typically, and this
is not something that is told toanybody in advance, people in the health
(45:37):
care industry always answer similarly, soit's always something that it's carrying that's something
that is an unselfish superpower, right. I mean I wanted to fly you
know some mind. I mean Ijust wanted to fly around. But your
healthcare people typically it's more deep.I guess you could say, when so
(46:01):
you're intuition, you want to youwould strengthen that, and that would be
that would be a great thing foranybody to have. I asked you about
traveling, and you answer it justhow I thought you would. You said,
why lamit myself? I love SedonaBAF. I've never been to BAF,
but my wife has It's beautiful.Yes, that's what she says.
Canada and uh, never been there. I've been to Alaska and that's beautiful,
(46:25):
but she tells me BAF is gorgeous. Uh. If distance wasn't an
option. And you and I shareboth of these places, Ireland and Iceland,
and I actually want to travel toboth of those both, especially Ireland.
I don't know what it is aboutIreland, but it just it's beautiful.
Yeah, it's green. Love it. You talked a little bit earlier
(46:47):
about how people can go about bookingwith you Cheryl Jean dot Com, which
I'm gonna link in this podcast.In the description and uh, so you
can go there. It'll give youall the information you need on setting up
an appointment and trying it out foryourself. Yes, anything else you want
to mention, No, thank youfor this opportunity. And this is something
(47:10):
you've had to experience. Yeah,you alluded to it earlier. It's hard
to put into words. It's rightbrain and left brain is the words,
so it's right brain work. It'sfeeling. So people often don't have words,
so we tried to put some ofthis into words, and you still
just have to experience it ready toget the full effect. Yes, and
(47:35):
we want to tell them about yourupcoming events before we get out of here.
Okay, so tell us about that. I typically have yin yoga going
on so in July, and i'llhave that. I am for the first
time. I'm going to do somefilm rolling classes. Upper body focus will
be in August, lower body willbe the end of this month June,
(47:57):
and then in September. I havefour class set up at Southeastern. I
think their next fiscal year starts inJuly, so you can sign up for
those classes. Very good, andthat's Southeastern at Livingston right there in Walker.
Yes, very good. Very goodand I'm always doing different things at
different places, So you can checkout social media Facebook, absolutely, and
I'm gonna put she's got a littlesheet in here with those upcoming events,
(48:21):
y'all, and I'm gonna post thaton our social so that people can see
that as well. Thank you,Thank you for coming by, thank you
for being you, and and uh, obviously I wish you all the success
in the world, and I hopepeople were able to get a little bit
of clarification on how important what youdo is and those who need it reach
(48:43):
out to her before we get outof here. Also, I want to
thank a guy by the name ofMatt Deckard. I want to shout him
out. Look. He has beenfollowing Local Leaders podcasts since the beginning.
This guy shares all my stuff andhe is uh, he's just a great
fan of the show that really goesout of his way to make you know
(49:06):
he appreciates local business. And Ireally appreciate Matt Decker and just want to
shout him out. So thank you, sir for all you do to help
us get people like doctor Cheryl Janeout there in their business. And until
next time, I'm Jim Chapman.Reminding you love your community, support local
(49:28):
business, and keep leading. Thankyou very much,
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