February 22, 2024 • 32 mins
When Brother Wise speaks from his cell in the correctional institution, you can't help but lean in closer. His voice carries the weight of a reality few can imagine—the tribulations of fatherhood entwined with the harshness of incarceration. This episode isn't just about uncovering the unseen hardships within the American prison system; it's a testament to the strength of the human spirit and the bonds that remain unbroken, even behind bars. Brother Wise bares his soul, providing an unvarnished glimpse into the emotional landscape of an imprisoned father, as single mothers on the outside perform the heroic task of keeping their families whole.
Navigating the complexities of masculinity and mental health, we turn the lens on the transformative journey of fatherhood from the most unexpected places. The conversation extends beyond the confines of prison walls, into the hearts of families struggling with absence, and onto the societal stage where the roles of fathers are often misunderstood. We celebrate initiatives like Tyro dads that help mend the fractured connections between fathers and their children, and we underscore the urgency of addressing mental wellness among men. This episode is a clarion call to our community to acknowledge the power of vulnerability, the resilience of father-child relationships, and the potential for redemption and healing that lies within every story.
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Welcome to Lockdown the Legacy stories from the
inside out.
I'm your host, remy Jones.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
And I'm co-host Debbie Jones.
We are a husband and wife teamhere to bring you the real life
stories, experiences andquestions around the American
criminal justice system.
We do advise discretion withthis podcast.
I think we should put that outthere first and foremost.
Yes, we are going to talk aboutexperiences that happen inside
the prison system, outside ofprison systems.
(00:46):
We will use language that mightbe offensive, but we intend to
keep it real.
And if that's not for you, wetotally understand, but please
do what's best for yourlistening ears.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Oh, we're about to keep it real, son.
Our goal of this podcast is toshare the inside realities of
the American prison and criminaljustice system, from
pre-charges all the way topost-release, from the voices of
those who've experienced itfirsthand, including me.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
That's right, we're going to get into it.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
What's up everybody?
Welcome back to another episodeof Lockdown to Legacy.
Of course I'm your host, remyJones, and this is another
episode of WISES World.
We're going to have BrotherWise on corresponding from the
inside, giving us some good gameand knowledge and wisdom.
This episode, of course we'regoing to just catch up, see
(01:51):
what's going on, but also Iwanted to get his opinion about
fatherhood, about what it's liketo be a father in prison, and I
ain't going to drop no details,just his story to tell what
hopefully he can relate his ownsituation into that.
So, without further ado, let'sgo ahead and get to the call and
(02:13):
once again, thank you all forbeing here with us.
Hello.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
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(02:51):
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Speaker 4 (03:05):
Hey, please, black man, how you feel?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
I'm cool and I'm cool and how you.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I'm good man.
I'm good everything, everything.
I got a little small headacheor whatever, whatever, but you
know that's just about a changein Everything.
Fluctuating man, but I'm goodthough.
You know I got that Detonativedistances real bad in my spine
man, so it's like in the weatherchange like this and when they
go from warm so we strain coldback to warm.
(03:33):
Flushy way.
You know I go through problems.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Man, I'm sorry to hear that matter but I'm good
though.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I'm good though I'm good though man, I, we are, you,
I'm about a family, everybodygood everybody.
Good man, you know how it isOur heads let's get a people
what they need to hear that.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, everything cool , man.
You know I ain't got noproblems, nothing to complain
about, nothing worth complainingabout, because there's always a
solution.
You know right, it's all goodman.
How?
How was your trip?
I don't know if you want totalk about that on the show, if
you want to cut it out, if youdon't want to.
How was your trip?
Yeah, how was it?
(04:19):
How was your trip?
Your round trip?
Speaker 4 (04:21):
No, that was good, it was frustrating, but you know
how that go, bro, you know howthat go frustrating sitting in
the bullpen.
You got to wait for hours onhand.
You know, once you get outthere to Columbus, in the Holy
cell, out there to To thehospital, what we got to go to
it's just sitting in the bullpen.
Man, that's the bullpen therapy.
(04:42):
It's like you really got tohave a strong head because you
sitting in you sitting wrappedaround and chains and handcuffs
for hours on hand, from like 536in the morning all the way to
like you know I'm saying liketwo or three o'clock, 4 o'clock,
(05:03):
you know I'm saying so.
It's frustrating, man, it'sreally, really frustrating.
It's the grading for real.
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
You know everybody got that experience of going to
the ER and you know you sitthere for a couple hours.
But I mean, if you think about,it's way different for an
inmate, because you got armedsecurity, you know.
You know, you got an armedsheriff escort you.
They wrapped this chain, likeyou and the orange jumpsuit in
(05:28):
the monkey suit, and theywrapped this chain around your
waist and hit it with a lock, apadlock, and then they
handcuffed you to a chain, youknow, and then put the shackles
on your feet.
So I mean you sitting therelooking like somebody's dummy
while you waiting for medicalcare and, of course, you the
last one on a priority list, youknow Exactly.
(05:52):
So, yeah, I'm sorry you had togo through that but.
I'm glad you got to go throughit at the same time.
Yeah, I appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
You know like I said man, you know it's the things
that we got to go through to getthings done.
You know, and, like you said,it's like even with people out
there you know, I'm saying inthe real world out there like
they go to the emergency roomsand they're sitting around the
emergency room I was on in and Iget it.
It's frustrating.
But imagine sitting in thatemergency room with hours of
(06:23):
hours on in and at the same timeyou're feeling like you're
Going with hours of hours on inand at the same time your feet
is shackled, your hands areshackled, your waist is tied up
and and those cuffs is on sotight that they pretty much cut
circulation.
And you got to keep asking theCEO Yo, ceo, can you look, can
you do these up a little bit?
And if you get asshole, it's no.
(06:46):
If you get somebody that's halfas decent, they'll take one
click off.
But regardless of the fact, man, that's like Don't nothing come
off?
Like nothing came off until Idid my arm, until I got on the
treadmill and did my stress testfor my heart, nothing came off
until then.
Didn't even want to take it off.
Then you know what I'm saying.
But it's like wow, like forreal.
(07:06):
It's frustrating and stressful,but hey, I'm here, I'm living
to see another day and you knowGod, don't give the guy, don't
give us nothing that we can'thandle.
You don't put no way too heavyupon our shoulders that we can't
handle.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
So I just want to point out, though, that you know
you there for a stress test,but the situation itself is
stressful, so it's not like youget to go to the doctor just
like I, you know, run some tests, like you don't even want to
take the damn shackles andchains off so I can get some
medical attention, man, you knowI mean, just wanted a small.
(07:48):
No, I was just saying like Icould understand if you was like
some young dude in there.
You know, you, you are comingin there for like a little
stitches on your hand, somethingminor, you know.
Like you in there for somethingto keep you alive for real.
Like I need this.
I ain't trying to fuck this up,and the last day you think
(08:08):
about if I'm here for stresstest on my heart is that I'm
about to try to run bitch.
I'm trying to get in here, youknow.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
For real.
This time I'm trying to get onthis treadmill, I ain't trying
to run off three floors at hishospital.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
She said when we talk about health care in the in the
in the P now system.
We have to take it seriousbecause if we don't take eyes on
the health care, if we don'ttake our health serious, nobody
is nobody else in here is gonnatake it serious enough for us
Because they really don't care.
Administration don't care.
You know only only your closestcon con rats that that really
(08:48):
really got a concern for yourcare.
Gonna say, hey, man, you needto go get that checked out for
real, like I don't want to be.
Not bad happen to you.
Well, other than that it's like.
You know the health care systemin the P now system is really
really, really bad, and I meanbad.
You know we just had a brotherin here died just the other day.
Man, you know he had been goingthrough all kind of heart
(09:13):
related issue problems, likemyself.
He had been going through someother things too, as far as
being a diabetic and along withother issues, and at the same
time he had been going back andforth to medical whatever to
take his medicine.
But sometimes, you know hewalked with a limp.
He'd be tired all the time.
You know, sometimes he's lateand then they say, well, we're
(09:35):
not gonna give you your medicineright now because he's like
five minutes late, 10 minuteslate or whatever.
But regardless of the fact ofhim being five, 10 minutes late,
get a managed medicine, becausenow what you did was you
deterred the fact of him evenwanting to take it.
He say you know, to hell withthis medicine and walk out, go
to child, do whatever.
Then he ended up in thehospital because he had a minor
(09:57):
heart attack.
They take him out or whatever.
They give him, whatever they'regiving, like they did me they
maybe walk around with when myheart was clogged up at like 55%
and they wanted to wait till itwas like 70, 78% before they
even did anything about it.
But by that time I had alreadystroked out and had a heart
(10:18):
attack.
And the same thing happened tohim just the other day, like a
week ago, you know Well.
First and foremost, he wentback to court, he got his appeal
in to get a new trial and thenhe came back in a couple of
weeks.
After him being back, you know,he walked over to medical,
(10:39):
sweating profusely I'm sorry andthen he just died right there.
Boom, heart attack, right thereon the floor.
Now I mean now my whole thingabout sharing on this, bro, is
the fact that, like I said, wehave to take our health serious,
but they also have to take usserious, because they should
have never allowed him to leavemedical period under those
(11:00):
conditions because he was badbro, he was real bad.
And they be detecting andknowing these things, like when
we take blood work and they seethat the blood ain't right yet
we always end up having, likebeing in the first stage or the
second stage is a cancer whenthey do the blood work and they
(11:20):
know it and by the time theytell us that we got it, it's
already in the third and fourthstages.
This is how they do it in thePNOW system.
So we need help on the outsideto speak on this, because we
need no voice man.
We need voices.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Oh yeah, and that's why we do this, man, is to give
insight, because when they putthem fences up and you drive
past the prison, most peopledon't even know it's a prison,
unless they see somebody out inthe yard.
And unfortunately it's out ofsight, out of mind.
Ain't nobody thinking aboutwhat's going on in there?
And if they do, they think itis.
(11:56):
If you couldn't do the time,don't do the crime.
Like they don't understand,like there's people in there.
We sit here and fight wars inforeign lands just because
there's people, and then wemistreat our own at home and you
(12:17):
know, of course it is hard.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I'm not really really sad.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I mean it's our responsibility as the people on
the outside, to be stewards ofthe people on the inside.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
I mean.
But you know every but themedia, social media, you know,
in the public, in the publicside, they paint.
They paint such a bad, raw,nasty picture of individuals
that are in the penitentiaryduring time.
You know, not all of us are bad, not all of us are bad and a
(12:48):
lot of us, like today'sgeneration, these young kids in
here that's in here.
They not bad kids, yo, theyjust misunderstood Because they
had, they didn't have the properguidance growing up.
I mean literally.
You know, some of us, as olderindividuals, can say that we
didn't have the proper guidance.
But when I tell you that theydidn't have the proper guidance,
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they didn't have none.
The streets literally raisedthem.
So, with that being said,they're not bad kids, man, and
they're not bad young men andeverybody, society gives up on
them and they and I get itbecause they do such horrendous
crimes and they have no remorse,no respect, no morals, no
(13:34):
values.
But can you actually reallypoint the finger at them and say
that you're all that bad whenthey actually had no guidance
Period?
I mean, how would you expect achild to grow up?
You feel me?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, I mean, if you think about it just for the
terms of like, let's start it.
Let's say the crack epidemic,you know right.
And then comes, you know, billClinton, and he starts locking
up people at Just crazy rates,talking about tough on crime.
(14:13):
Right, so you went from Crackbeing the thing that took
parents away to then prisonbeing the thing that took
parents away.
But even then you still hadgrandparents, you still had the
generation that came before allthis stuff started being thrust
upon us.
Right, so you still had thatpositive guidance.
(14:37):
But as the generations keptgoing, you know, you went from
like, oh okay, my dad's inprison to my dad, my granddad
and my uncle's in prison, youknow right, or somehow you know.
And so when you got a singlemother, who's you know,
overburden or whatever, and then, lord forbid, she ends up being
(15:00):
out of the picture Due towhatever, or due to the fact
that she just working all thetime trying to make it work you
know, trying to make it workthen you're raised by the
streets, and you're raised bythe streets by people.
You know.
You even got them old-schoolGuys in the streets, that's,
they gonna get you in sometrouble, but they gonna look out
for you at the same time.
Now they just sending you ondumb questions.
(15:21):
They sending these kids ondummy missions.
You know they putting the gunin their hand, putting the drugs
in their hand.
It used to be like a man, heregoes some money.
Man, stay out of, stay out oftrouble gonna play that
basketball, hit them books.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Right right now they like they we've been see.
That's how they see it up onthe corner.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, you know, like do legit, sold drugs and Looked
out for all the kids in theneighborhood, you know.
But I mean some do I say.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
That's why I say that's what they big up to all
the single mothers out there,all the big of all the single
mothers out there, big up to thesingle mothers shot out, to the
single mothers who Who've beenraising theirs on their own, you
know I'm saying to keep inthere their sons and daughters
away from the streets.
I know it's hard as a struggle,but you know, keep your head up
, keep fighting, because you'vegot a fight.
(16:11):
You got a fight, you know, andit's legal fathers.
You got a fight.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
I mean.
So that kind of lead me to whatI wanted to talk to you about.
This episode is like being afather.
You know why you in prison andI'm sure a lot of the listeners
be wondering about that, likehow does that work?
But it's really hard on theheart of somebody in prison when
(16:38):
just what we were just talkingabout is the case out there like
you're away and yet it's peopleout there who are present
influences whether good or bad.
That's possibly leading yourkid down the wrong road and you
trying to be present from inthere, you know you.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Have one minute remaining hold that thought
right back.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, man, I can.
I can try to get that.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Yeah, you know, hopefully, if there's some, some
, some, some mothers out therelistening that been through
those struggles of them, thosetrials and tribulations, you
know, tap in like, tap in like.
We'd love to hear your, yourside.
You know what's on your mindabout that situation.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Like it's.
It's hard I know I would.
It's hard when you trying toreach out from inside and you
getting those roadblocks put infront of you.
You know basically that's whatwe're talking about.
You know you get themroadblocks, but the same people
or Situations that put thoseroadblocks up eventually end up
reaching out to you.
(18:06):
Like yo, I need you to getthrough to your kid.
They're you know, especiallywhen things are getting out of
hand and it's like Shit.
I've been trying to get to mykid for X amount of time and you
know it's been a problem.
But now I Am the solution.
You know, like right.
And then, of course, you knowas soon as you solve the problem
(18:27):
, it might be radio silenceagain, exactly, but um, it's,
it's real.
It's sad, man, when you know youin a situation like that, where
you know, you Really try, youreally try and or when you only
get those every nine years, whenyou only get the Family day
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visitations.
You know you don't get noregular visits, but when you get
the family day is this when youget the bomb for real.
So to see that happen With ayoung kid and then your kids a
teenager, and then you have topoint where your kids an inmate
now, and now you get to spendsome time with them.
You got to take it at that timeand that opportunity to like,
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pull her into them as much asyou can.
I hope that they're receptiveto it, because that is the case
sometimes, where you know that'show it progresses.
I have seen, I have seen somesuccessful Relationships with
people on from the inside outand I gotta say, man, there are
(19:31):
some really good programs likeTyro.
You know you mentioned Tyro.
Tyro dads is a great programand I gotta give a big shout out
to them because they do somegood work and Some real selfless
work with nothing but the bestinterest of the guys and the
people on the inside.
But yeah, it's usually like aprogram like that that kind of
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facilitates it and Because it'shard to try to do that on your
own, especially if you know yourfamily feels some type of way
about you being in there, like Imean, there's always that
reconciliation, you know you,especially if you're together
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with your, with your girl,whatever.
When at the time you go toprison, you don't get no time to
work that out for real.
You thrust immediately into thesystem, you fighting for your
life, you in court, you like, ok, you can visit me and keep us
some money in my books, likeit's straight to the bit.
Ain't no time to be like, hey,let's talk about how this all
went down, let's talk about whathappened.
Let me apologize for thesituation, you know, whatever.
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So a lot of times them feelingscan just harbor down low.
Those feelings get projectedonto your kid.
Sometimes, you know, they showthat he chose to leave us.
You know.
You know daddy had more betterpriorities than his family,
whatever it is that they overthere telling you and you're not
there to even give you a sideof the story, you know.
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But I really, really I'm happyman, genuinely happy, for the
dudes and the women that do havegood relationships with the
kids, because I've seen that bea weak spot for a lot of guys in
a place where you shouldn'tshow weakness.
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Everybody trying to put uptheir best front, everybody
trying to act hard, but I'veseen some dudes really break
down when it come to like tryingto reach their children on a
emotional level or a mentallevel.
Can I say?
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Right Now.
You absolutely right and everypoint that you made was valid,
right.
And I have to say that I stillsee the tough, the tough, the
tough boy shell that men placeupon themselves, or whatever the
case may be, because they don'twant to look weak, but that,
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and then see, and that's, andthat stems from that toxic
masculinity growing up, you know, we fall down, we get up, we
don't cry, we brush it off andkeep moving, you know, and it
starts from there and it justprogresses as time goes.
You know what I'm sayingThroughout the course of years,
throughout the course of time,and, like you said, that breaks
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down.
When a man truly loves his child, he doesn't care anymore about
what a person thinks, or, forman, another man sees him cry
about his or, first and foremost, that's that barrier that he
tore down in place of saying, um, I don't care what you think
about me, because we tend tocare what other people think
(22:39):
about us, and that's what allowsus to put that tough boy shell
around us or that tough boy wallor that persona.
I'm tough as hell and can'tnothing make me cry.
I'm the baddest motherfucker onthe planet.
No, no, no.
Drop all that tough man shitfor real, because, when it comes
to your shorties, they are themost important people in your
(23:02):
life at that particular point intime and even after, and she
would have been before that ifyou weren't trying or attempting
to be.
So I can understand from amother's perspective and where
she's coming from, as far as heranger stems from, if a man was
out there not being a man butbeing a boy and not taking care
of his responsibilities.
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However, the middle, the end,that work out there taking care
of responsibilities and doingwhat it was they were supposed
to be doing, and then they getincarcerated.
For the women out there Don'tstop now, you know.
Don't allow this cycle to stopnow.
Still allow that man to be afather to his children, you know
(23:46):
.
But like you said, though, menhave to come to the realization
that we have to break thesebarriers down and not care about
what the next man thinks aboutme, because what's most
important is my child, and theycome first, before anything else
, after my mental health,because mental health is serious
too, something we shouldaddress, probably in our next
meet or whatever, cause mentalhealth is serious too.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah, that's actually on the list, man, of the next
thing that I wanted to talk toyou about.
Yeah, ain't got something Greatmind.
Yeah, I actually wrote a listof everything that I wanted to
talk about so I could startpublishing this list so that the
listeners can have an idea ofwhat's coming up on the next
episodes.
So I actually titled it MindOver Matter, because behind bars
(24:35):
, we feel like a strong mind isthe best thing we can have, but
it's often to our detriment.
You make yourself so hard andso detached, so averse to asking
for help and stuff like that,that you end up suffering in
silence and in carrying it withyou on outside if you get that
opportunity to come home.
So, yeah, that's what we'regonna be talking about next week
(25:00):
for everybody listening.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
No doubt, no doubt, no doubt, man, cause you know
that mental health thing isserious.
But getting back on the fatherissues, like I really hope, I
really hope, first of all,before the show is over, I wanna
give a shout out to my girl,magic Shew.
She knows who she is.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah that's cool.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's a listener too, she's a
listener.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Oh, that's what's up, man, thanks.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Yeah, actually I got a notation from this individual
you know, sometime ago saying Iheard you on the podcast.
You know it was really nice, itwas really helpful.
So shout out to Magic Shew'sman.
Yeah, shout out to Magic.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Shew's, tell her to hit up our Facebook.
Man, leave some love.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
No question, hit up the Facebook, leave some love.
Leave some love, for sure she'sprobably listening.
What she probably heard is thispodcast eventually, really good
people man, beautiful people,that's what's up?
man, I'm an old family,beautiful people, man, beautiful
people.
But yeah, so I just wanna sayfor the mothers out there, you
know, if the fathers are tryingand putting their best foot
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forward there and showing themission to be a better man and
father for their child, givethem a shot, give them a chance.
I know it's hard, I get it, Iunderstand.
Give them a shot, though, youknow, Let them and their child
bond together, because you neverknow.
You know tomorrow's promise tonobody.
I mean, I'm 52 years old and Ihad my heart attacks at 50, you
(26:39):
know what I'm saying.
So, and I was one of the Ithought I was one of the most
healthiest guys on the planetworked out every day, got hoops,
land track, worked out push-up,misfit competitions, you know
you name it, I did it, and Istill had severe heart attacks.
So I wanna say take care ofyour health, take care of your
mind, you know, and staypositive.
(27:01):
You know what I'm saying At alltimes, or whatever.
You know what I mean.
So, yeah, it's this, oh, oh, oh.
And before I forget one thing,one thing I forget with Big
Brother is this too they havethat fatherhoods initiative out
there program too, that singlefathers can go to to become
(27:23):
better fathers if they reallywanna be a father to their child
and they have nowhere else toturn and they wanna be fathers,
Go to fatherhoods initiative,look them up, Google them, but
go to them.
Really great organization.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
You know I think I'm not sure on this man, so I hope
don't nobody hold it against meif I'm wrong, but last year I
ended up going to a music SoulChild concert out in Chicago and
it was like the day after I gotback he was here in Columbus
doing a fatherhood speak.
He was doing some program forblack fathers and I wanted to go
(28:07):
, but I literally just got backfrom vacation and I was like my
job ain't gonna want me to calloff, you know.
So I didn't go, man, but that'swhat's up.
There is programs out there andme and Warren actually had just
talked about this man where wewas like a lot of times we get
(28:32):
so immersed in that toxicmasculinity and the bullshit we
talk growing up as young blackmen where you don't ask for help
and you be tough and stand onyour own 10, whatever.
You know that we don't evenknow that asking for help is an
option anymore, you know.
(28:52):
So all these programs that areout there that can help right
around the corner, you know, andI just want to encourage people
like if they come across thisman, if they listen to it, like
look for some help, Like it'sreally good programs out there
that can help and it's reallygood for us as men, because most
(29:17):
of the programs are directed atmothers.
So you know, these programsthat are directed at fathers,
man, they're really good andthey're rare, you know.
When you look at the grandscheme of things it's only a few
, but they're really good andthey got really good programs
and resources.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Most definitely, most definitely.
You'll be amazed though theturnaround rate of men that are
actually wanting not forced totake the program and not taking
it because they get good days orwhatever, but they doing these
programs because they want to dothese programs, because they
(29:59):
want to be better people,because they want to be better
men, they want to change andthey want to be a part of their
child's life.
But before they can do that,I've actually heard a few of
them say I can't be a better manin my child's life if I'm not a
better man.
I have to learn to be a manfirst before I can teach my son
to become one.
And to hear that come out of akid's mouth nowadays and when I
(30:22):
say a kid I mean I'm 52, so tohear a 23 year old kid talking
like that, or even a 30 year oldyoung man talking like that,
you know that's, that's Likethey say.
Even if you can only change one, that's a start, you know, and
that's a good thing, and that'swhy I always try to stay
(30:44):
positive and be your influenceon the positive side to the
young brothers that come to thesystem, in which you really
rarely see anymore, because somany older gentlemen, such as
like my you have one minuteremaining.
You know that they follow in thekey instead of the kids
following them.
So that's a positive role modeland, right there, something
(31:06):
else we need we can use to workon too, man, but I enjoyed you.
Thanks for having me.
Big brother, you know, smallminds discuss people, average
minds discuss events and greatminds discuss ideas.
Until next time, brother, Ilove you.
Tell the family I love them.
Peace to all the listeners.
I hope you enjoyed today's talkand, you know, give your
(31:27):
insight, I'll look back.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
What's up bro, alright, man, I love you man, be
cool, be safe man and, asalways you know, keep teaching
man, keep preaching.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
For sure Always One love bro, peace, peace.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
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What's up everybody?
Welcome back to another episodeof Lockdown to Legacy.
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This episode, of course we'regoing to just catch up, see
(01:51):
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fatherhood, about what it's liketo be a father in prison, and I
ain't going to drop no details,just his story to tell what
hopefully he can relate his ownsituation into that.
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Speaker 4 (03:05):
Hey, please, black man, how you feel?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
I'm cool and I'm cool and how you.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I'm good man.
I'm good everything, everything.
I got a little small headacheor whatever, whatever, but you
know that's just about a changein Everything.
Fluctuating man, but I'm goodthough.
You know I got that Detonativedistances real bad in my spine
man, so it's like in the weatherchange like this and when they
go from warm so we strain coldback to warm.
(03:33):
Flushy way.
You know I go through problems.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Man, I'm sorry to hear that matter but I'm good
though.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I'm good though I'm good though man, I, we are, you,
I'm about a family, everybodygood everybody.
Good man, you know how it isOur heads let's get a people
what they need to hear that.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, everything cool , man.
You know I ain't got noproblems, nothing to complain
about, nothing worth complainingabout, because there's always a
solution.
You know right, it's all goodman.
How?
How was your trip?
I don't know if you want totalk about that on the show, if
you want to cut it out, if youdon't want to.
How was your trip?
Yeah, how was it?
(04:19):
How was your trip?
Your round trip?
Speaker 4 (04:21):
No, that was good, it was frustrating, but you know
how that go, bro, you know howthat go frustrating sitting in
the bullpen.
You got to wait for hours onhand.
You know, once you get outthere to Columbus, in the Holy
cell, out there to To thehospital, what we got to go to
it's just sitting in the bullpen.
Man, that's the bullpen therapy.
(04:42):
It's like you really got tohave a strong head because you
sitting in you sitting wrappedaround and chains and handcuffs
for hours on hand, from like 536in the morning all the way to
like you know I'm saying liketwo or three o'clock, 4 o'clock,
(05:03):
you know I'm saying so.
It's frustrating, man, it'sreally, really frustrating.
It's the grading for real.
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
You know everybody got that experience of going to
the ER and you know you sitthere for a couple hours.
But I mean, if you think about,it's way different for an
inmate, because you got armedsecurity, you know.
You know, you got an armedsheriff escort you.
They wrapped this chain, likeyou and the orange jumpsuit in
(05:28):
the monkey suit, and theywrapped this chain around your
waist and hit it with a lock, apadlock, and then they
handcuffed you to a chain, youknow, and then put the shackles
on your feet.
So I mean you sitting therelooking like somebody's dummy
while you waiting for medicalcare and, of course, you the
last one on a priority list, youknow Exactly.
(05:52):
So, yeah, I'm sorry you had togo through that but.
I'm glad you got to go throughit at the same time.
Yeah, I appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
You know like I said man, you know it's the things
that we got to go through to getthings done.
You know, and, like you said,it's like even with people out
there you know, I'm saying inthe real world out there like
they go to the emergency roomsand they're sitting around the
emergency room I was on in and Iget it.
It's frustrating.
But imagine sitting in thatemergency room with hours of
(06:23):
hours on in and at the same timeyou're feeling like you're
Going with hours of hours on inand at the same time your feet
is shackled, your hands areshackled, your waist is tied up
and and those cuffs is on sotight that they pretty much cut
circulation.
And you got to keep asking theCEO Yo, ceo, can you look, can
you do these up a little bit?
And if you get asshole, it's no.
(06:46):
If you get somebody that's halfas decent, they'll take one
click off.
But regardless of the fact, man, that's like Don't nothing come
off?
Like nothing came off until Idid my arm, until I got on the
treadmill and did my stress testfor my heart, nothing came off
until then.
Didn't even want to take it off.
Then you know what I'm saying.
But it's like wow, like forreal.
(07:06):
It's frustrating and stressful,but hey, I'm here, I'm living
to see another day and you knowGod, don't give the guy, don't
give us nothing that we can'thandle.
You don't put no way too heavyupon our shoulders that we can't
handle.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
So I just want to point out, though, that you know
you there for a stress test,but the situation itself is
stressful, so it's not like youget to go to the doctor just
like I, you know, run some tests, like you don't even want to
take the damn shackles andchains off so I can get some
medical attention, man, you knowI mean, just wanted a small.
(07:48):
No, I was just saying like Icould understand if you was like
some young dude in there.
You know, you, you are comingin there for like a little
stitches on your hand, somethingminor, you know.
Like you in there for somethingto keep you alive for real.
Like I need this.
I ain't trying to fuck this up,and the last day you think
(08:08):
about if I'm here for stresstest on my heart is that I'm
about to try to run bitch.
I'm trying to get in here, youknow.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
For real.
This time I'm trying to get onthis treadmill, I ain't trying
to run off three floors at hishospital.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
She said when we talk about health care in the in the
in the P now system.
We have to take it seriousbecause if we don't take eyes on
the health care, if we don'ttake our health serious, nobody
is nobody else in here is gonnatake it serious enough for us
Because they really don't care.
Administration don't care.
You know only only your closestcon con rats that that really
(08:48):
really got a concern for yourcare.
Gonna say, hey, man, you needto go get that checked out for
real, like I don't want to be.
Not bad happen to you.
Well, other than that it's like.
You know the health care systemin the P now system is really
really, really bad, and I meanbad.
You know we just had a brotherin here died just the other day.
Man, you know he had been goingthrough all kind of heart
(09:13):
related issue problems, likemyself.
He had been going through someother things too, as far as
being a diabetic and along withother issues, and at the same
time he had been going back andforth to medical whatever to
take his medicine.
But sometimes, you know hewalked with a limp.
He'd be tired all the time.
You know, sometimes he's lateand then they say, well, we're
(09:35):
not gonna give you your medicineright now because he's like
five minutes late, 10 minuteslate or whatever.
But regardless of the fact ofhim being five, 10 minutes late,
get a managed medicine, becausenow what you did was you
deterred the fact of him evenwanting to take it.
He say you know, to hell withthis medicine and walk out, go
to child, do whatever.
Then he ended up in thehospital because he had a minor
(09:57):
heart attack.
They take him out or whatever.
They give him, whatever they'regiving, like they did me they
maybe walk around with when myheart was clogged up at like 55%
and they wanted to wait till itwas like 70, 78% before they
even did anything about it.
But by that time I had alreadystroked out and had a heart
(10:18):
attack.
And the same thing happened tohim just the other day, like a
week ago, you know Well.
First and foremost, he wentback to court, he got his appeal
in to get a new trial and thenhe came back in a couple of
weeks.
After him being back, you know,he walked over to medical,
(10:39):
sweating profusely I'm sorry andthen he just died right there.
Boom, heart attack, right thereon the floor.
Now I mean now my whole thingabout sharing on this, bro, is
the fact that, like I said, wehave to take our health serious,
but they also have to take usserious, because they should
have never allowed him to leavemedical period under those
(11:00):
conditions because he was badbro, he was real bad.
And they be detecting andknowing these things, like when
we take blood work and they seethat the blood ain't right yet
we always end up having, likebeing in the first stage or the
second stage is a cancer whenthey do the blood work and they
(11:20):
know it and by the time theytell us that we got it, it's
already in the third and fourthstages.
This is how they do it in thePNOW system.
So we need help on the outsideto speak on this, because we
need no voice man.
We need voices.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Oh yeah, and that's why we do this, man, is to give
insight, because when they putthem fences up and you drive
past the prison, most peopledon't even know it's a prison,
unless they see somebody out inthe yard.
And unfortunately it's out ofsight, out of mind.
Ain't nobody thinking aboutwhat's going on in there?
And if they do, they think itis.
(11:56):
If you couldn't do the time,don't do the crime.
Like they don't understand,like there's people in there.
We sit here and fight wars inforeign lands just because
there's people, and then wemistreat our own at home and you
(12:17):
know, of course it is hard.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I'm not really really sad.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I mean it's our responsibility as the people on
the outside, to be stewards ofthe people on the inside.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
I mean.
But you know every but themedia, social media, you know,
in the public, in the publicside, they paint.
They paint such a bad, raw,nasty picture of individuals
that are in the penitentiaryduring time.
You know, not all of us are bad, not all of us are bad and a
(12:48):
lot of us, like today'sgeneration, these young kids in
here that's in here.
They not bad kids, yo, theyjust misunderstood Because they
had, they didn't have the properguidance growing up.
I mean literally.
You know, some of us, as olderindividuals, can say that we
didn't have the proper guidance.
But when I tell you that theydidn't have the proper guidance,
(13:10):
they didn't have none.
The streets literally raisedthem.
So, with that being said,they're not bad kids, man, and
they're not bad young men andeverybody, society gives up on
them and they and I get itbecause they do such horrendous
crimes and they have no remorse,no respect, no morals, no
(13:34):
values.
But can you actually reallypoint the finger at them and say
that you're all that bad whenthey actually had no guidance
Period?
I mean, how would you expect achild to grow up?
You feel me?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, I mean, if you think about it just for the
terms of like, let's start it.
Let's say the crack epidemic,you know right.
And then comes, you know, billClinton, and he starts locking
up people at Just crazy rates,talking about tough on crime.
(14:13):
Right, so you went from Crackbeing the thing that took
parents away to then prisonbeing the thing that took
parents away.
But even then you still hadgrandparents, you still had the
generation that came before allthis stuff started being thrust
upon us.
Right, so you still had thatpositive guidance.
(14:37):
But as the generations keptgoing, you know, you went from
like, oh okay, my dad's inprison to my dad, my granddad
and my uncle's in prison, youknow right, or somehow you know.
And so when you got a singlemother, who's you know,
overburden or whatever, and then, lord forbid, she ends up being
(15:00):
out of the picture Due towhatever, or due to the fact
that she just working all thetime trying to make it work you
know, trying to make it workthen you're raised by the
streets, and you're raised bythe streets by people.
You know.
You even got them old-schoolGuys in the streets, that's,
they gonna get you in sometrouble, but they gonna look out
for you at the same time.
Now they just sending you ondumb questions.
(15:21):
They sending these kids ondummy missions.
You know they putting the gunin their hand, putting the drugs
in their hand.
It used to be like a man, heregoes some money.
Man, stay out of, stay out oftrouble gonna play that
basketball, hit them books.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Right right now they like they we've been see.
That's how they see it up onthe corner.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, you know, like do legit, sold drugs and Looked
out for all the kids in theneighborhood, you know.
But I mean some do I say.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
That's why I say that's what they big up to all
the single mothers out there,all the big of all the single
mothers out there, big up to thesingle mothers shot out, to the
single mothers who Who've beenraising theirs on their own, you
know I'm saying to keep inthere their sons and daughters
away from the streets.
I know it's hard as a struggle,but you know, keep your head up
, keep fighting, because you'vegot a fight.
(16:11):
You got a fight, you know, andit's legal fathers.
You got a fight.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
I mean.
So that kind of lead me to whatI wanted to talk to you about.
This episode is like being afather.
You know why you in prison andI'm sure a lot of the listeners
be wondering about that, likehow does that work?
But it's really hard on theheart of somebody in prison when
(16:38):
just what we were just talkingabout is the case out there like
you're away and yet it's peopleout there who are present
influences whether good or bad.
That's possibly leading yourkid down the wrong road and you
trying to be present from inthere, you know you.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Have one minute remaining hold that thought
right back.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, man, I can.
I can try to get that.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Yeah, you know, hopefully, if there's some, some
, some, some mothers out therelistening that been through
those struggles of them, thosetrials and tribulations, you
know, tap in like, tap in like.
We'd love to hear your, yourside.
You know what's on your mindabout that situation.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Like it's.
It's hard I know I would.
It's hard when you trying toreach out from inside and you
getting those roadblocks put infront of you.
You know basically that's whatwe're talking about.
You know you get themroadblocks, but the same people
or Situations that put thoseroadblocks up eventually end up
reaching out to you.
(18:06):
Like yo, I need you to getthrough to your kid.
They're you know, especiallywhen things are getting out of
hand and it's like Shit.
I've been trying to get to mykid for X amount of time and you
know it's been a problem.
But now I Am the solution.
You know, like right.
And then, of course, you knowas soon as you solve the problem
(18:27):
, it might be radio silenceagain, exactly, but um, it's,
it's real.
It's sad, man, when you know youin a situation like that, where
you know, you Really try, youreally try and or when you only
get those every nine years, whenyou only get the Family day
(18:49):
visitations.
You know you don't get noregular visits, but when you get
the family day is this when youget the bomb for real.
So to see that happen With ayoung kid and then your kids a
teenager, and then you have topoint where your kids an inmate
now, and now you get to spendsome time with them.
You got to take it at that timeand that opportunity to like,
(19:10):
pull her into them as much asyou can.
I hope that they're receptiveto it, because that is the case
sometimes, where you know that'show it progresses.
I have seen, I have seen somesuccessful Relationships with
people on from the inside outand I gotta say, man, there are
(19:31):
some really good programs likeTyro.
You know you mentioned Tyro.
Tyro dads is a great programand I gotta give a big shout out
to them because they do somegood work and Some real selfless
work with nothing but the bestinterest of the guys and the
people on the inside.
But yeah, it's usually like aprogram like that that kind of
(19:52):
facilitates it and Because it'shard to try to do that on your
own, especially if you know yourfamily feels some type of way
about you being in there, like Imean, there's always that
reconciliation, you know you,especially if you're together
(20:15):
with your, with your girl,whatever.
When at the time you go toprison, you don't get no time to
work that out for real.
You thrust immediately into thesystem, you fighting for your
life, you in court, you like, ok, you can visit me and keep us
some money in my books, likeit's straight to the bit.
Ain't no time to be like, hey,let's talk about how this all
went down, let's talk about whathappened.
Let me apologize for thesituation, you know, whatever.
(20:38):
So a lot of times them feelingscan just harbor down low.
Those feelings get projectedonto your kid.
Sometimes, you know, they showthat he chose to leave us.
You know.
You know daddy had more betterpriorities than his family,
whatever it is that they overthere telling you and you're not
there to even give you a sideof the story, you know.
(21:00):
But I really, really I'm happyman, genuinely happy, for the
dudes and the women that do havegood relationships with the
kids, because I've seen that bea weak spot for a lot of guys in
a place where you shouldn'tshow weakness.
(21:21):
Everybody trying to put uptheir best front, everybody
trying to act hard, but I'veseen some dudes really break
down when it come to like tryingto reach their children on a
emotional level or a mentallevel.
Can I say?
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Right Now.
You absolutely right and everypoint that you made was valid,
right.
And I have to say that I stillsee the tough, the tough, the
tough boy shell that men placeupon themselves, or whatever the
case may be, because they don'twant to look weak, but that,
(21:56):
and then see, and that's, andthat stems from that toxic
masculinity growing up, you know, we fall down, we get up, we
don't cry, we brush it off andkeep moving, you know, and it
starts from there and it justprogresses as time goes.
You know what I'm sayingThroughout the course of years,
throughout the course of time,and, like you said, that breaks
(22:18):
down.
When a man truly loves his child, he doesn't care anymore about
what a person thinks, or, forman, another man sees him cry
about his or, first and foremost, that's that barrier that he
tore down in place of saying, um, I don't care what you think
about me, because we tend tocare what other people think
(22:39):
about us, and that's what allowsus to put that tough boy shell
around us or that tough boy wallor that persona.
I'm tough as hell and can'tnothing make me cry.
I'm the baddest motherfucker onthe planet.
No, no, no.
Drop all that tough man shitfor real, because, when it comes
to your shorties, they are themost important people in your
(23:02):
life at that particular point intime and even after, and she
would have been before that ifyou weren't trying or attempting
to be.
So I can understand from amother's perspective and where
she's coming from, as far as heranger stems from, if a man was
out there not being a man butbeing a boy and not taking care
of his responsibilities.
(23:23):
However, the middle, the end,that work out there taking care
of responsibilities and doingwhat it was they were supposed
to be doing, and then they getincarcerated.
For the women out there Don'tstop now, you know.
Don't allow this cycle to stopnow.
Still allow that man to be afather to his children, you know
(23:46):
.
But like you said, though, menhave to come to the realization
that we have to break thesebarriers down and not care about
what the next man thinks aboutme, because what's most
important is my child, and theycome first, before anything else
, after my mental health,because mental health is serious
too, something we shouldaddress, probably in our next
meet or whatever, cause mentalhealth is serious too.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah, that's actually on the list, man, of the next
thing that I wanted to talk toyou about.
Yeah, ain't got something Greatmind.
Yeah, I actually wrote a listof everything that I wanted to
talk about so I could startpublishing this list so that the
listeners can have an idea ofwhat's coming up on the next
episodes.
So I actually titled it MindOver Matter, because behind bars
(24:35):
, we feel like a strong mind isthe best thing we can have, but
it's often to our detriment.
You make yourself so hard andso detached, so averse to asking
for help and stuff like that,that you end up suffering in
silence and in carrying it withyou on outside if you get that
opportunity to come home.
So, yeah, that's what we'regonna be talking about next week
(25:00):
for everybody listening.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
No doubt, no doubt, no doubt, man, cause you know
that mental health thing isserious.
But getting back on the fatherissues, like I really hope, I
really hope, first of all,before the show is over, I wanna
give a shout out to my girl,magic Shew.
She knows who she is.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah that's cool.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's a listener too, she's a
listener.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Oh, that's what's up, man, thanks.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Yeah, actually I got a notation from this individual
you know, sometime ago saying Iheard you on the podcast.
You know it was really nice, itwas really helpful.
So shout out to Magic Shew'sman.
Yeah, shout out to Magic.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Shew's, tell her to hit up our Facebook.
Man, leave some love.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
No question, hit up the Facebook, leave some love.
Leave some love, for sure she'sprobably listening.
What she probably heard is thispodcast eventually, really good
people man, beautiful people,that's what's up?
man, I'm an old family,beautiful people, man, beautiful
people.
But yeah, so I just wanna sayfor the mothers out there, you
know, if the fathers are tryingand putting their best foot
(26:18):
forward there and showing themission to be a better man and
father for their child, givethem a shot, give them a chance.
I know it's hard, I get it, Iunderstand.
Give them a shot, though, youknow, Let them and their child
bond together, because you neverknow.
You know tomorrow's promise tonobody.
I mean, I'm 52 years old and Ihad my heart attacks at 50, you
(26:39):
know what I'm saying.
So, and I was one of the Ithought I was one of the most
healthiest guys on the planetworked out every day, got hoops,
land track, worked out push-up,misfit competitions, you know
you name it, I did it, and Istill had severe heart attacks.
So I wanna say take care ofyour health, take care of your
mind, you know, and staypositive.
(27:01):
You know what I'm saying At alltimes, or whatever.
You know what I mean.
So, yeah, it's this, oh, oh, oh.
And before I forget one thing,one thing I forget with Big
Brother is this too they havethat fatherhoods initiative out
there program too, that singlefathers can go to to become
(27:23):
better fathers if they reallywanna be a father to their child
and they have nowhere else toturn and they wanna be fathers,
Go to fatherhoods initiative,look them up, Google them, but
go to them.
Really great organization.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
You know I think I'm not sure on this man, so I hope
don't nobody hold it against meif I'm wrong, but last year I
ended up going to a music SoulChild concert out in Chicago and
it was like the day after I gotback he was here in Columbus
doing a fatherhood speak.
He was doing some program forblack fathers and I wanted to go
(28:07):
, but I literally just got backfrom vacation and I was like my
job ain't gonna want me to calloff, you know.
So I didn't go, man, but that'swhat's up.
There is programs out there andme and Warren actually had just
talked about this man where wewas like a lot of times we get
(28:32):
so immersed in that toxicmasculinity and the bullshit we
talk growing up as young blackmen where you don't ask for help
and you be tough and stand onyour own 10, whatever.
You know that we don't evenknow that asking for help is an
option anymore, you know.
(28:52):
So all these programs that areout there that can help right
around the corner, you know, andI just want to encourage people
like if they come across thisman, if they listen to it, like
look for some help, Like it'sreally good programs out there
that can help and it's reallygood for us as men, because most
(29:17):
of the programs are directed atmothers.
So you know, these programsthat are directed at fathers,
man, they're really good andthey're rare, you know.
When you look at the grandscheme of things it's only a few
, but they're really good andthey got really good programs
and resources.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Most definitely, most definitely.
You'll be amazed though theturnaround rate of men that are
actually wanting not forced totake the program and not taking
it because they get good days orwhatever, but they doing these
programs because they want to dothese programs, because they
(29:59):
want to be better people,because they want to be better
men, they want to change andthey want to be a part of their
child's life.
But before they can do that,I've actually heard a few of
them say I can't be a better manin my child's life if I'm not a
better man.
I have to learn to be a manfirst before I can teach my son
to become one.
And to hear that come out of akid's mouth nowadays and when I
(30:22):
say a kid I mean I'm 52, so tohear a 23 year old kid talking
like that, or even a 30 year oldyoung man talking like that,
you know that's, that's Likethey say.
Even if you can only change one, that's a start, you know, and
that's a good thing, and that'swhy I always try to stay
(30:44):
positive and be your influenceon the positive side to the
young brothers that come to thesystem, in which you really
rarely see anymore, because somany older gentlemen, such as
like my you have one minuteremaining.
You know that they follow in thekey instead of the kids
following them.
So that's a positive role modeland, right there, something
(31:06):
else we need we can use to workon too, man, but I enjoyed you.
Thanks for having me.
Big brother, you know, smallminds discuss people, average
minds discuss events and greatminds discuss ideas.
Until next time, brother, Ilove you.
Tell the family I love them.
Peace to all the listeners.
I hope you enjoyed today's talkand, you know, give your
(31:27):
insight, I'll look back.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
What's up bro, alright, man, I love you man, be
cool, be safe man and, asalways you know, keep teaching
man, keep preaching.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
For sure Always One love bro, peace, peace.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
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Speaker 2 (32:24):
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