April 16, 2024 • 54 mins
This past weekend, all eyes were on the Middle East as Iran launched a barrage of missiles toward Israel in response to a recent airstrike that killed an Iranian General in Damascus. Will Speaker Johnson bring a standalone bill to the floor this week for Israel aid?
Also on today's pod:
- The Trump Trial begins
- It's lookin' a lot like 1968 for the Dems
- What Tesla layoffs portend for EV industry
- Has the Transgender issue peaked?
- Duane pays his annual tallage to Lord Newsom
Check out the Look Through The Chaos website, follow your hosts on X @LookThruChaos and @Radioblogger, and don't forget to subscribe to the email newsletter.
- (00:00) - Intro
- (01:38) - Iran attacks Israel
- (10:50) - Political reactions in the U.S.
- (23:43) - Shades of 1968
- (28:05) - Has the Trans issue peaked?
- (36:51) - Tax Day & Interest rate speculation
- (42:23) - Tesla plans 10% workforce reduction
- (48:57) - Some good news
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Duane Patterson (00:45):
Hello, everybody. Welcome to another
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chaos.com. Hi, John.
How are you? There's a there'ssome
John Campbell (01:41):
generally speaking.
Duane Patterson (01:41):
Chaotic things in the news this week.
John Campbell (01:44):
Yeah. There are. I mean, the missiles flying
usually is contributes to chaos.It's not something that is
normally calming and andpeaceful by definition.
Duane Patterson (01:56):
So neither one of us I would consider to be
Israeli experts or even MiddleEast experts. So there's not
much we can add from a tangiblestuff you didn't already know
standpoint, but there is aspectsof the American response to how
this whole thing has played outthat we can give you some
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information on and that we needto point out, and it's stuff
that just makes me crazy, John.John Kirby, the co press
secretary of the Bidenadministration, has been making
this point for quite some time,and he made it again on Sunday,
on Fox News, Sunday with ShannonBream, and he made it again at
the White House, press briefingtoday. Well, on Monday when we
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taped this. And the the conceptis media is starting to push
back and ask questions about,hey.
Wait a minute. I thought Iranwas broke when you guys took
over, and they couldn't affordall this terrorism. They
couldn't afford all the rocketsand all the ballistic missiles,
and now all of a sudden theycan't. Is this because you freed
up all that money for them induring your administration? And
(03:05):
here's what John Kirby had tosay on Sunday, cut number 1.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Is it not fair to say, though, that there have
been moves by thisadministration that have opened
up cash and other opportunitiesfor them, which we know are
fungible in ways that are nothelping the Iranian people, but
are benefiting the elites andpeople there who chant death to
America. And death to Israel.You and I
Speaker 1 (03:25):
have had this fungibility argument, before. I
obviously take a differentissue, or take an issue with
that characterization. The thesanctions relief that has come
about or, it's not evensanctions relief, but the
additional funds that have beenmade available to Iran due to
sanctions relief program thatthe Trump administration put in
place can only be used forhumanitarian goods. It doesn't
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go to the regime. And the ideathat the regime was somehow felt
like they were freed up tosupport these proxies because of
that, it just doesn't comportwith the facts.
They have been supporting these
Speaker 4 (03:57):
proxies for
Speaker 1 (03:58):
many, many years.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
And it comports with their language, though, saying
we will use this money in theway that we wanna use it. They
can't.
Duane Patterson (04:05):
Now John Campbell, you were in government
for 10 years. You helped overseebudgeting. You were in charge of
monetary policy. The the conceptof fungibility is a word that's
confusing to a lot of people.Maybe a lot of people listening
to this podcast don't quite havea handle on what fungibility
actually means or what thisargument is about.
(04:27):
Personally, I know what itmeans, and I think John Kirby
and the White House are full ofit. I think you can lay
everything we're seeing at theirat their feet. But explain to
people what fudgeability is andhow this actually manifests
itself.
John Campbell (04:41):
They are. And before I do that though, who was
asking those questions?
Duane Patterson (04:44):
Do you know? That was Shannon Bream over at
Fox News.
John Campbell (04:47):
Oh, my gosh. Because good for her. I would
say whoever was asked thatquestion, good follow-up
questions and so forth. But,yes, I was actually in full time
elected office for 14 years whenyou include California
legislature, which is one of, Ibelieve, only 5 legislatures in
the country that are full timethat don't adjourn and go home
in ape ape somewhere betweenMarch May. So I'm gonna use an
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example from there so thatpeople understand it.
California, when I was there,got people to vote for funding
for roads. Because as high asthe taxes are in California, the
roads suck, and they don't spenda lot of money on the roads
fixing them, etcetera. So theysaid, we're gonna increase tax,
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sales tax, gas tax by a certainpercentage, and we will
guarantee that all this moneygoes to roads. And the people of
California bought it and becausethey read the actual language in
the initiative, and it said, allthe money raised from this thing
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has to go to Rhodes. So theysaid, alright.
I don't wanna raise taxesanymore, but I will do it as
long as it goes to Rhodes andit's not going to something else
because that's winter due. Buthere's then what they did. They
took the money that was alreadygoing to Rhodes before that
initiative was passed, and theydiverted that into all kinds of
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social programs and all kinds ofother garbage, you know, you
know, for illegal aliens andwhatnot, which is exactly what
people wanna do. So they endedup getting 0 more dollars for
roads and higher taxes instead.And the higher taxes as it
because of the fungibility ofthis money, because the other
money wasn't locked into goingto roads.
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They were able to move it tosomething else. So the end
result was space same money gotspent on roads. Everybody's
taxes went up. The roads werecrappy, and they spent it on all
the garbage that people didn'twant to have it spent on. And
that's part of how Californiagot into the mess that it is.
Now let's look and move thatover to e Iran and what's going
on. First of all, as ShannonBreen said, the Ayatollah
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himself said specifically, hesaid, you've someone asked him
in an interview, some, like, BBCperson or or maybe it was, Al
Jazzaar. I don't know. But Idon't remember. But asked him,
what are you gonna spend thismoney on?
You have to spend it onhumanitarian. And he said, we'll
spend it on whatever we want.Okay. So there you go. The
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person with the money is sayingthey'll spend it on whatever we
want, but let's just take thatand say that was a throwaway
comment.
And say they do get this moneyand they spend on humanitarian.
Well, then whatever else they'respending on anything else, I
mean, I'm sure, yeah, they spenda lot of money on weapons and on
their military, but I'm surethey spend some money on roads,
on their people somehow, ontheir health care system, on
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whatever they do so they canjust take all that money, spend
it on missiles to go attack Jewsin Israel with, and then take
the other money take the, moneythey were spending on that and
spend it on that other stuff. Sobut, you know, it's like many
things this Biden administrationsays. I'm sure that question was
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probably the only such questionthey got, that he got. It was
challenging at all on thisissue.
So all they have to do is lie toFox News or occasionally if some
other reporter in there, I Imean, we know that the regime
media I I mean, like, KathrynHaraj, who used to be at CBS,
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but they fired her. And, youknow, any of these regime media
outlets that used to havesomeone that would ask stuff
questions of the administration,they've gotten rid of them. So
now I think they just figure,alright. We'll just lie to them.
No one else will question us.
You know, if this were Trump ina, in a press conference or
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Trump press secretary. They'd be
Duane Patterson (08:55):
trying to lie this at the or lay this at the
feet of Trump all of the thewhole way.
John Campbell (09:00):
Well and CBS asked that question. NBC then
would do a follow-up. ABC woulddo the next follow-up. CNN would
do the next follow-up. Bloombergwould do the next follow-up.
Yep. Wall Street Journal woulddo the next follow-up. Atlantic
would do the next follow-up.Reuters would do that. AP would
do that.
They they would ask the samequestion 15 times, and and they
wouldn't be able to lie theirway through it. The Biden
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administration knows they onlyneed to lie once, and there
won't be any follow-up, andthey're done. And so that's part
of the problem. A lie. It's anabsolute ball ball faced lie
that that they can't spend thismoney on anything else.
Duane Patterson (09:33):
At at best, when when John Kirby is saying
that, well, they they can't.They they they're they're not
allowed to spend the money onterrorism. At best, he's being
willfully obtuse and notunderstanding how how seamless
money flows once it's within agovernment organization. And at
worst, he knows what he'stalking about, and he's just
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lying his his rear end off.Right?
John Campbell (09:56):
And 100 percent it's it's like, yo, Hamas gives
you figures on casualties. Doesanybody believe anything Hamas
says? Yes.
Duane Patterson (10:05):
Yes. He regime does.
John Campbell (10:06):
Yes. He did. No one in their right mind should,
nor should we believe Iran, norshould we believe anything
coming out of the ChineseCommunist Party. The these these
groups lie. That is what theydo.
And when you accept them, it's,as I as I did said on Hugh and I
(10:27):
said on his show this morning,it's like believing Hitler.
Peace in our oh, don't worry.Just give me the Sudan land. I'm
not gonna attack any place else.Don't worry about it.
No sweat. No problem. It's likebelieving Hitler. We now know in
retrospect that was prettystupid, but people did it. But
people did it.
And and right now we have thesame thing going on. There are
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people believing what Iran says,which is insane.
Duane Patterson (10:52):
Okay. So I wanna cover 2 political aspects
of the, escalation between Iranand and Israel. And that is the
house of representatives, MikeJohnson, the speaker of the
house, announced over theweekend that in light of the
attack, he was going to fasttrack. He was going to
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streamline a stand alone Israelaid package, which I would think
would pass fairly easily in thehouse. I'm sure there's a bunch
of anti Semitic cranks on theDemocratic side that would have
a problem with it, but it willyou know, stand alone aid
package would probably pass inthe house pretty easily.
And I would imagine if it wentover to the senate, John
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Campbell, in light of theattacks, it would be hard for
Chuck Schumer to say no to that.But at the White House today, we
had not one but two questionsabout a stand alone aid package
asked of both Corinne JeanPierre and of John Kirby. Here
is how John Kirby handled it.Cut number 4.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
We are opposed to a stand alone, bill that would
just work on Israel as we'veseen proposed.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
We would we would oppose a stand alone bill. Yes.
Duane Patterson (12:03):
They would veto they would veto an Israel aid
bill stand alone because well,to hear that because, you have
to get into the depth ofknowledge on this subject that
Corinne Jean Pierre has. Cutnumber 3. Listen to this.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
House speaker Mike Johnson has said that he'll move
forward, with a vote onadditional Israel aid. If
Congress were to pass additionalaid for Israel and only that,
will president Biden reject it?
Speaker 6 (12:29):
So we've been very clear, my colleagues from here
just moments ago, that we, willnot accept a stand alone. A
stand alone, would wouldactually not help Israel and and
Ukraine. It would actually delaythe needs that they the the the
needs that the the needed aid,that they obviously need, to
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fight. You see what werehappening in Ukraine? Obviously,
brave people of Ukrainian areare fighting against a tyrant.
We need to make sure that theyhave this the assistance that
they need. We saw what happenedin Israel just over, over the
weekend, and the leadership thatthis president has shown. It
would it would actually it wouldactually not help them if we do
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a stand alone, and we do notsupport a stand alone.
Duane Patterson (13:12):
Now, John, there's so much. There is so
much in here. But number 1, thefact that we can do a stand
alone aid package, and KarimJohn Pierce says that actually
wouldn't help. Now if you were acountry getting an aid package
from the US, would that help ornot help you?
John Campbell (13:32):
Yeah. I think it would help. I think it was See,
Duane Patterson (13:35):
I'm thinking that would help you. Yeah. But
when but when she says, yes,we're going to veto that just
from a political standpoint.Don't you as a Republican want
to force Joe Biden to veto anaid bill to Israel right after
they just had 300 missileslaunched at it? Don't you wanna
force him to do that?
John Campbell (13:54):
Yes. But it won't happen because Schumer won't
take it up. One thing I disagreewith you that you said in the
lead into this was that youthought Schumer would have to
take it up. I don't think hewould have had to anyway, but
with the veto threat, thatreally gives him cover. That
gives him huge cover to not takeit up.
So I and he'll just say, well,we're not gonna waste floor time
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for something that's not gonnapass. Very, very easy, for him
to not take it up. So that's notgonna happen.
Duane Patterson (14:22):
You don't think the pressure against
John Campbell (14:24):
No. Wow. No. I don't I don't think so. So so
now, because remember, they'restill more worried about their
100,000, you know, pro Hamaspeople in Dearborn, Michigan
than they are about every Jew inAmerica.
I I just they just are or a verypro Israel Christian in America
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for that matter. But I, what soI I still, I think speaker judge
should put it on the floor, passit, send it over there, and and
he'll, do that with it. Now itmay give the only thing by doing
that, it may give some cover tosome vulnerable Democrats who
can vote for it knowing it's notgonna pass, although that might
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get them in some trouble withtheir left at home. So who
knows? Whether you do that ornot depends on what kind of
position it puts vulnerableDemocrats in.
You know, we're we're close toan election now. An awful lot of
bills that get put on the floorin either house are there to
stake out positions for theelection. Because something
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walking. Something you voted ona year ago, a lot of times
people forget. But something youvote on a month or 2 or 3 months
or 4 months before an electionbecomes fresher in people's
mind.
Your cards can run ads and bringit up, and it makes more things.
So so there will be a lot ofcalculus on that. Obviously, it
would help every Republican, butthe question is, would you be
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helping Democrats if you gavethem something they could vote
for that wasn't actually becomelaw? Now let's assume that
happens. What what's speakerJohnson's next step?
So what basically the presidentis saying is I'll do support for
Israel, but you gotta putsupport for Ukraine in it.
Duane Patterson (16:09):
He's holding the Jews hostage. He's holding
Israel hostage to Ukraine aid iswhat he's doing.
John Campbell (16:14):
So so a lot of a lot of Republicans don't wanna
vote for Ukraine, and and maybethis would just blow up because
nobody would vote for it. But ifyou put Israel funding together
and Ukraine funding together andin it but you paid for it.
Because one of the things Ithink we really every Republican
bill should be doing now isyou're not gonna cure the
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deficit with a $100,000,000,000or $50,000,000,000 or anything
else. But the the rule of holes,once you're in one stop tipping
we are in
Duane Patterson (16:44):
a very spending offset you have to do spending
offsets.
John Campbell (16:47):
On on everything. I think on everything we want to
do, there has to be a spendingoffset. And there's plenty of
offsets you could put in thereSure. Of course
Speaker 1 (16:55):
there are.
John Campbell (16:56):
That Republicans would like and would vote for.
Now you'd lose a bunch of you'dlose some Republicans that don't
wanna fund Ukraine. It but ifthe offset was, you know, the
IRS or the offset was, thesedays, the Department of Justice
or the offset was the Departmentof Education or, you know, the
offset was something Republicansreally wanted. Might you get
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some Republicans to go for it?And It would be yeah.
Duane Patterson (17:20):
It might be worth it.
John Campbell (17:21):
That that you could send over and say, there
you go, mister president.There's your Ukraine package.
The reality is when you put allof this stuff together, is it's
very hard to imagine a bill.It's hard for me to imagine
right now, a bill that's outthere that would fund Ukraine,
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fund, fund Israel that would getthe president to sign it and a
majority of Republicans in thehouse, a a substantial majority
of Republicans in the house tovote
Speaker 1 (18:00):
for it.
John Campbell (18:00):
Now you could put a straight up Israel, Ukraine
funding bill on the floor in thehouse, just straight up, no
offsets. And a whole bunch ofDemocrats would vote for it. A
bunch of Republicans would votefor it, and it would pass. And
it would go to the senate, andit would pass. The president
would sign it.
But you would have a lot ofreally pissed off Republicans in
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both the house and the senate,for doing that. So I'm not sure
that that would be a Democraticbill, and I'm not sure that in a
Republican controlled house, youwanna float that out there.
Duane Patterson (18:35):
Okay. Last, avenue on this, topic before we
move on to other things is todayis not only tax day, at least
Monday was tax day in, theUnited States, but it was, pro
Hamas shutdown traffic day. Itwas, we are anti Jewish
everywhere we possibly can, andwe are not going away. It
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happened on the Golden GateBridge. They they chain
themselves to the center of theGolden Gate Bridge and shut off,
traffic for hours upon end.
At O'Hare Airport, theprotesters shut down people
trying to catch a flight at theworld's busiest airport. And,
the police showed up to providea cordon or in a barricade to
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protect angry citizens trying toget to the airport from
attacking the protesters andmoving them out of the way. So,
actually, the police ended upblocking traffic. In New York,
they went after the BrooklynBridge. They went after
Independence Hall in Philly.
It happened in briefly in Tampa,Florida. It happened, until the
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police showed up and clearedeverybody out in about 15
minutes. There were protests inMiami, but not in traffic. They
learned that lesson. They theythey were protesting on the
sidewalk somewhere, but theythey weren't affecting traffic.
But all over the country onMonday, John, basically, Joe
Biden's base turned out. Here'sour friend Tom Cotton and what
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he had to say about it. Cut 5.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
Feel very deeply for all those people who are trying
to get to work or trying to pickup a a kid. Very worried about
the diversion of policeresources where it needs to be
stopping crime in cities likeSan Francisco where firefighters
are having to go there when theymight have, calls for fires out.
I have to say, Sandra, I agreewith you that you have to get to
these pro or these, criminalsearly. If something like this
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happened in Arkansas on a bridgethere, let's just say I think
there'd be a lot of very wetcriminals that have been tossed
overboard, not by lawenforcement, but by the people
whose, road they're blocking. Ifthey glued their hands to a car
or the pavement, well, probablypretty painful to have their
skin ripped off, but I thinkthat's what the way we'd handle
in Arkansas, and I wouldencourage most people anywhere
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that get stuck behind criminalslike this, who are trying to
block traffic to take matters intheir own hands.
There's only usually a few ofthem, and there's a lot of
people being inconvenience. It'stime to put an end to this
nonsense.
Duane Patterson (21:02):
So, John Campbell, here's the thing. I I
have to believe in my heart ofhearts the closer we get to the
election. This is not the summerof 20 where you've got Antifa
and race riots going oneverywhere, burning everything
down, and everybody getting thevapors over this. Nobody likes
to see this, and the the amountof people in this country that
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are saying, yeah. Chain yourselfto the Golden Gate Bridge over
over, support for Hamas.
I'm not seeing this has gotta bea big catching issue this this
fall, and all it's doing ifthere are even a dozen
independents left in thiscountry, they're turning off the
independents. Right? I mean,what's the political
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ramification for all this?
John Campbell (21:48):
Yeah. I love senator Cotton. I served with
him. He was in the house when Iwas in the house, and, man, he's
a great guy. I love him, andthat was that was outstanding.
And it's one of the things thatkept being missus Campbell and
I. We're watching Fox News atlunchtime. It is now Monday tax
day. You you won't be listeningto this until after that, but
we're recording this on Mondaytax day, April 15th. And we were
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watching it during lunch justbefore we came and did this.
And we have Fox News on, and wethey said it'd been blocked for
hours, and we were like, well,why didn't they just take bolt
cutters, cut them, throw them inthe back of squad cars, and get
them the hell out of there? Whatwhy did that take 3 hours to
block the Golden Gate Bridge todo that? And I'm sure in
California, there was lots ofhandwringing about, oh, we can't
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disturb these protesters. But toyour point, I don't know how
they think this is helping theircause. I just don't be.
No.
Duane Patterson (22:40):
It just can't.
John Campbell (22:41):
The there I as you say, these people are
getting to work. They're gettingto a job. They're picking up a
kid. They're doing whatever. Thepeople are going to the airport.
I saw some of the people goingto the airport would just park
on this pull up on the side ofthe road, park, lock their car
Abandon their
Duane Patterson (22:55):
car or lock their car and just have to walk
into the airport.
John Campbell (22:57):
Abandon their car and just walk in the airport.
And I don't care if you're aDemocrat or what. You can't be
thrilled by this. And and so I Idon't know how they think this
helps their cause. I I presumewhat they're thinking is that
they get publicity.
Okay. Score. They get that.Alright. If that's what they
want, they're getting that.
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But I and I understand ReggieJackson said love me or hate me,
but talk about me. I'm not surethat works in politics
completely. You don't wanna bethe bad news story every day.
You don't wanna be the storythat
Duane Patterson (23:31):
people didn't work for Donald Trump in 2020,
did it? Everybody talked aboutTrump every every day of the
week and and twice on Sunday,and it didn't work out for
Donald Trump in 2020.
John Campbell (23:41):
And the, the the parallels you and I talked about
this in our exhaustive show showprep. The parallels to 1968 are
absolutely scary. They're comingtogether right now. That was
with the left splitting with theDemocrats over the war in
Vietnam
Duane Patterson (24:00):
Vietnam.
John Campbell (24:00):
Which was being prosecuted by Lyndon Baines
Johnson, who was not running forreelection, but whose vice
president, Hubert Humphrey, was.And so it was still kind of the
continuation of thatadministration running an
unpopular war, a war that wasunpopular with the hard left of
the Democratic Party at thetime. Bingo. We have the same
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thing here. Difference beingthat US troops are currently not
serving on the ground beingkilled at the rate of 200 a week
during that war.
But it is a split with the hardleft of the Democratic Party
that is antiwar, same as it wasin 68. And, you know, that
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Democratic event what is this?This is April, so we got May,
June, July. 4 months, you've gotthe Democratic primary. And I
have to think that unlesssomething dramatic changes in
the Middle East between now andthen where Israel pulls back
somehow, or Gaza becomes a a aparadise of swimming pools or I
don't know what, that these guysare going to be at that
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convention, and they they're Ido you hear those chants today?
Genocide Joe has got to go.Genocide Joe has got to go. That
that they well And again Andagain we can vote for Donald
Trump, and he'll go.
Duane Patterson (25:19):
According to Tom Cotton, this is Joe this is
Joe Biden's base. These arepeople. This is what he is
setting the nonsensical, unsuntenable, position. Paul a
foreign policy on Israel isbeing set to try to appease the
very people that are callingthem genocide Joe.
John Campbell (25:36):
And I don't think they're appeasable. I just I
just don't think that's gonnahappen. And by the way, we were
watching it on Fox News, and Ithought for a minute, I wonder
what CNN's doing. So I clickedover to CNN because I was
curious how they were coveringit. They were covering Trump's
trial.
I don't even know. I I theyweren't even covering this. I
mean, okay. This isjournalistic, malpractice. This
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truly is.
Shutting down the Golden GateBridge is news. I don't care I I
don't care who did it. I don'tcare why they did it. That's
news, and it's happening rightnow. Instead of that, they're
covering this Trump trial,which, by the way, will be their
neck tomorrow and the day afterthat and 3 months from now.
And
Duane Patterson (26:19):
we're through June. Yeah. It's gonna go for 2
months.
John Campbell (26:22):
Yeah. And I'm not even sure the people who watch
CNN care that much about it. I Ijust I I just don't think they
do. It's it's amazing. I mean,you will look at that, and
there's no wonder that CNN hascouple 100000 people who watch
it anymore, rather than themillions that watch Fox.
Duane Patterson (26:41):
So I watched a smattering of the Sunday shows
just to mine, data in
John Campbell (26:47):
my Did you did you do that for the listeners to
this podcast? I did it
Duane Patterson (26:51):
for listeners of podcast. I did it for the
Hugh Hewitt Show because that'skind of my job. So
John Campbell (26:57):
That is a selfless act. I I wanna I wanna
say people should be, thankingyou for that. That is
Duane Patterson (27:03):
a selfless act. I I watch I watch the Sunday
shows, so you don't have to.Yes.
John Campbell (27:07):
There you go.
Duane Patterson (27:08):
About half of the time on most of the Sunday
shows, half the time was spenton the the Iran attack that
happened the night before. Forobvious reasons, they they
couldn't ignore it. They werejust trying to find a way to
salvage Joe Biden's, position onit. The other half of the Sunday
shows were spent on abortion.Now you and I you and I and
(27:31):
nobody else in the country istalking about the abortion issue
today, But that's what theyspent half of the Sunday shows
on.
Today, on MSNBC and CNN, it'swall to wall Trump trial because
it is.
John Campbell (27:44):
I'm sorry to think the I'm sorry to think the
that the regime BD just talksthemselves, that the that the
only people that watch CBS arethe people at NBC and ABC.
Duane Patterson (27:53):
Wish casting.
John Campbell (27:54):
Yeah.
Duane Patterson (27:55):
It's wish casting.
John Campbell (27:56):
It's ridiculous.
Duane Patterson (27:57):
Okay. Let's do some good news before we
completely run out of time. AndI want to let you do the good
news because I kinda stepped onyou last time and, monopolized
it. Now I know the subjectmatter you want to crow about on
good news, and and we maydisagree on the good news. You
can convince me, but, you know,I'm seeing stories like your one
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one of your 3 current governors,and I mean, you know, your cow
farm governor, this would be,governor Laura Kelly in the
state of Kansas, just vetoed aprotection for children with
gender dysphoria from havingsurgery.
She's vetoed it after it passedthe Kansas legislature. I also
(28:40):
read last week that it's nowconsidered to be homophobic
violence to notice that Hamasactually hates gays and would
actually kill gays as part oftheir as part of their religion.
But if you point that out to tryto tell people it's kind of a
silly argument to be gay ortransgendered and support Hamas
when they would kill you justthe same. You, by pointing that
(29:04):
out, are engaging in homophobicviolence. I think we're losing
the narrative, John Campbell,but you've got some good news on
this.
So
John Campbell (29:11):
I do. I I think perhaps we're turning the core
corner on this whole transgenderthing. And remember, everyone,
that what this is about, if yougo back and read the, I don't
know, epistles, if you will, ofthe people who essentially
started this Neo Marxistmovement back in the sixties
(29:34):
seventies and and even to someextent early eighties, and
people have continued that inthis century. Amongst the things
that is important for the NeoMarxist overthrow of the United
States from within, Obviously,we have to get rid of the
constitution. We have to get ridof of, American exceptionalism
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in our culture.
But one of the things they hateintensely is the nuclear family.
They they believe that thenuclear family of a husband, a
wife, and children, is is abarrier to putting Marxism and
socialism in place. So it theyneed to destroy that. And, the
(30:18):
whole s 2 LGBTQII+plus movementis a well orchestrated and
thought out over decadesmovement and, progression of
overturning, of getting rid ofthe nuclear family. It is one of
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the pillars of American societythat they wish to tear down.
And when they're all torn down,the roof of American society
falls in, neo Marxistauthoritarian government, and
Nirvana in their view, goingforward. So that is why this
transgenderism is so important.I there are a lot of
conservatives and people outthere who dismiss it. I talk
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about it some and, you know,it's a 1% of the 1 hundredth of
a percent of the population. No.
No. They want it to be half thepopulation because it tears down
the nuclear family. So, theyhave been making huge progress
in this in as you as you justmentioned, in schools, in
governments to get people likeokay. I understand she's a
(31:22):
Democrat, but she's in freakingKansas. And for a Democratic
governor in Kansas to say no, wehave to do gender mutilation of
6 year olds without tellingtheir parents about it Right.
Is is insane. I get it thatCalifornians do that because and
people in Oregon and Washingtonbecause they are insane. Those
(31:43):
governmental they are insane.But but, Kansas people doesn't
make any sense. But there were 2major shifts recently.
1 was the pope and the the I amnot Catholic. I should be having
this discussion with Hugh Hewittor somebody who is, but I am not
a fan of this pope. This pope isa big leftist, and so many of
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the things that dictates thatthis pope has made are not
things that I agree with. And hehas waited way into political
waters, way farther than I have,than other popes have done.
Duane Patterson (32:20):
He's gotten in front of, in front of skis a lot
on a lot of social issues. Yes.
John Campbell (32:25):
And all was on the left. All was on the left.
And I've had Catholics tellingme my, former chief of staff, in
fact, when I was in Washington.I was talking to her about it.
And she's like, oh, yeah.
The worst pope in 200, 300years. But when it came to
transgender, he drew a line. Andhe said a couple of weeks ago,
and I'm gonna paraphrase it anddo it badly because pope speak
(32:47):
is not something I'mparticularly well versed in.
But, he basically said, god mademen and women, men and women.
And to say that men are womenand women are men is to is to
mess with God's creation.
Duane Patterson (33:03):
It's an offense to God. It just is.
John Campbell (33:05):
And the Catholic church cannot and does not
support that. So for this Youknow how
Duane Patterson (33:10):
you do that in papal talk? You know how you do
that in papal talk? Okay. How?Do your South Park accent.
John Campbell (33:18):
Oh, oh, wait. No. No. No. The South Park has the
pope.
The pope goes. Yeah. I've seen
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I've watched South Park a lot.
John Campbell (33:27):
But I've watched South Park.
Duane Patterson (33:28):
But but, yeah, you But See, whatever you've
whenever you've got to do anaccent, for for anybody and
you've got to do pope speak orBritish speak or whatever else,
you
Speaker 1 (33:38):
you should just do those laps in the South Park. I
do like Caribbean. I do likeCaribbean. But but
John Campbell (33:42):
the thing is on South Park, the pope just goes.
But because they they make funof everybody on South Park,
which is what I like, includingthe pope. And, anyway but, that
was a good sign. The other thingI tweeted out today, Bill Maher.
Now we've all you know, BillMaher's a big liberal and, but
he's a liberal.
(34:02):
He's not a leftist. He is a trueclassic liberal. And and now if
Bill Maher and I would find lotsof things to disagree on, but,
because it's not like he'sbecoming conservative. He is not
gonna vote for Donald Trump.That that is not where Bill
Maher is.
But he did a diatribe, and it ishilarious. And I was surprised,
(34:25):
actually, Elon even Elon Musktweeted it out to his
200,000,000 followers. That's afew more than I have, and even
more than you have, generally,Simo. Yes. Yes.
200,000,000. But, anyway, hesaid in there, amongst the
things, he was telling aboutplaces that the Democratic Party
has gone too far. And he said,you're going too far, and
(34:46):
basically said, you're ensuringDonald Trump is gonna win, and
you guys need to back off onthis stuff. And he talked about
the transgender thing, and hesaid one of the things Democrats
and we on the left have alwayssaid, well, Europe does it.
Europe does it.
And one of the and he said it,and, again, it's very, very
funny, all the things he saidabout it. But he said, that, in
(35:09):
this case, Europe doesn't do it.No country in Europe. None.
Because the British NationalHealth Service just pulled back
from this.
No country in Europe will allowthe gender surgery, the the
gender mutilation To kids.
Duane Patterson (35:26):
To minors.
John Campbell (35:27):
Kids. To minors. No country in Europe allowed he
said no country actually onplanet Earth allows it except
for the United States. Insane.So he said, so stop so he said,
so on the left, stop this.
You can't even find, you know,shade from any other leftist
country on Earth. Stop itbecause, otherwise, you're gonna
(35:47):
get Donald Trump as president.So, you are seeing some voices
on the left say, you know what?This is a bridge too far, folks.
We need to not go here.
And, of course, as I'vementioned to you, there's
another bridge after this one,which is the the map male
attracted person issue, what weused to call pedophilia.
Duane Patterson (36:11):
Right.
John Campbell (36:13):
And so they're taking things that are
dysfunctions that are, I mean,they're legitimate people,
right, who are male or femaledepending on their chromosomes,
but who believe there'ssomething else. Before this
whole thing happened, it's likea 100th of 1 percent of the
population, and it wasconsidered a dysfunction, a
(36:34):
psychological problem thatneeded to be corrected. And
guess what? That's right. That'swhat it is.
And male and and, minorattracted people are the same
thing. That is a dysfunction.That is that is cruel. It is
cruel to the minor, and that istheir next that you already see
(36:55):
them out there, the same peoplethat
Duane Patterson (36:57):
move Gradually trying to normalize it.
Gradually trying to bring youthe conversation. That's gonna
be another letter in thealphabet.
John Campbell (37:03):
Is it because they correct. And is it because
they love that? It doesn'tmatter whether they love it or
not. The objective is tear downthe nuclear family, tear down
Judeo Christian culture, tear itdown because then we bring in
Neo Marxism, and that's whatthey wanna do. So And I think
that is a good news.
Duane Patterson (37:23):
News is the pendulum is gonna swing back
because
John Campbell (37:25):
it We we we may have hit the peak of transgender
support. It may have peaked andbe coming down the other way. I
hope.
Duane Patterson (37:35):
I sure hope so. Okay. Let's get back to, some
economic stuff. As we havementioned all the way through,
we recorded this on April 15th,which was have been Monday,
which is tax day in the UnitedStates. I wrote my check to,
both Gavin Newsom.
Gavin Newsom, that would be thisguy. Yes. I, I paid for I paid
(38:00):
for a few more deck chairs onthe, California Titanic, on
Monday. But you had somethoughts about tax day and its
effect on US debt, John.
John Campbell (38:12):
Yeah. I was just going to mention, so that people
understand, as we're recordingthis, interest rates,
particularly at the long end,the 10 year treasury and other
things have been on the rise. OnApril 15th at the close of the
market today, the 10 year yield,exceeded 4.6%. I am still of the
(38:33):
belief it's going to 5, 5aquarter by the end of the year.
And that by the way, that meansmortgage rates will be in the
eights, by the by the end of theyear.
If I'm right about that, I canbe wrong. I have been wrong
before. Just ask the captain,missus Campbell. But part of the
reason I believe part or you.Part of the reason I believe
(38:55):
that is that the Q2 of the yearis the best time of the year for
revenues to the federalgovernment.
The federal government spendingis fairly even over the 4
quarters of the year, but theirrevenues are not at all even.
(39:15):
And they get most revenuesbetween April June, And that's
because in April, people paytheir taxes. Yes. There are
people who are overpaid and andand, and get refunds. But if you
get a w two, taxes are taken outevery paycheck, and that happens
throughout the year.
But for all the people outthere, increasing number of
(39:38):
people like me, who don't get aw two or people who have capital
gains income, which isincreasingly a bigger share of
the federal government'srevenue, you don't pay that till
April 15th, and then you payyour estimated payments also on
April 15th and again on June15th. And for all the people who
(39:59):
have LLCs or partnerships andincome that comes from that that
gets taxed on a personal return,but the incomes comes from a
business. And something like 87%of businesses in the United
States now are what you callpass through entities, where the
tax is not paid by the entity,but it's paid by the people who
own the entity. And those peoplepay their taxes on April 15th
(40:22):
and their next payment on June15th. So they're paying
something like 65% of all thetaxes they're going to pay for
the entire year in the secondquarter.
So the federal government rightnow doesn't have to issue as
much treasury debt because ofthe deficit. And it it the
(40:43):
treasury debt new treasury debtthey're issuing in the Q2 is
lower than normal because of allthis money coming in, but that
will soon subside. And then inthe Q3 between July September,
man, they are gonna be issuing aton of new debt. And if the
interest rate on treasury debtis going up now, what happens
(41:06):
when there's a whole bunch moresupply in the Q3?
Duane Patterson (41:09):
It's gonna go up even hotter.
John Campbell (41:10):
Is is that It's gonna go up The rates go up even
more.
Duane Patterson (41:14):
And that and that gets into September when we
start seeing those stats inOctober right before the
election is when the 3rdquarter, numbers come out.
John Campbell (41:23):
Correct. And and for you and your friend Gavin
Newsom So
Duane Patterson (41:28):
Go ahead, John. Oh, that was for you. I So Go
ahead, John.
John Campbell (41:36):
Oh, that was for you. I think
Duane Patterson (41:38):
that was a point for Brutus.
John Campbell (41:40):
That was yeah.
Duane Patterson (41:40):
That was that that was a that was a make good.
Yes. Go ahead.
John Campbell (41:43):
Yeah. Okay. So, anyway, so the, in May, I can't
wait to hear what what he says,but on May 10th, they always
wait, and most states do. Theywait for the actual tax revenues
in April for the state becausethe state revenues work similar
to federal revenues in thatregard. So Gavin is waiting to
(42:08):
see what comes in in April, andhe's hoping against hope that
the revenues are greater thanthey think, than they're
projecting.
So there's deficit isn't so big.So when in May, he has to come
up with his new plan, it doesn'thave to be as difficult a plan
as it looks like right now. But,but Well,
Duane Patterson (42:28):
all I can tell you is I'm I'm doing my part, to
the best of my ability,begrudgingly, but I'm doing my
part today.
John Campbell (42:35):
That's so nice of you. I've sent him 0.
Duane Patterson (42:39):
Yeah. I Yeah. I
John Campbell (42:40):
know. 0. I know.
Duane Patterson (42:42):
I know.
John Campbell (42:42):
I know. So, there you go. But, in fact, I didn't
send much into Arizona becausewe don't have a very high tax
rate here. But it it, they willknow. I mean, today, everybody's
money is in by today.
They'll count it within the next2 weeks. And then by the 1st
May, you'll know, what it lookslike, and and that's when Gavin
(43:05):
will have to decide what heneeds to do.
Duane Patterson (43:08):
Okay. One more economic data point I wanna run
by you and, get your take on,and then we'll do a kind of a
couple of feel good stories tocon conclude this edition of
Look Through the Chaos.Apparently, the EV sales market
has now hit the big guy. It'shit the big dog. Elon Musk at
Tesla announced today that theyare going to have to do a 10%
(43:32):
employee layoff, and this iscompletely corporate wide.
This is line level assembly lineall the way through. This is a a
company wide 10% layoff. And,what did you tell me in our
exhaustive show prep? That's 10,15,000 jobs?
John Campbell (43:48):
It's about 15,000 people. Tesla has about a
150,000 employees worldwide.
Duane Patterson (43:53):
That's that's a real number. I mean, that's
that's actually that's actuallya a a chunk of people are being
laid off.
John Campbell (43:59):
Yeah. Some of those will be in China and some
will be in Germany, but mostshould be in the US.
Duane Patterson (44:06):
So what do you make of that? What does that,
what does that bode for the, forthe market?
John Campbell (44:10):
Well, he has to do it, I think, because their
sales are slowing. Their marginsare slowing, and there's more
competition into a market, whichis the EV market, that looks
like it may be reaching a peak,that there may not be a lot more
(44:31):
EVs being sold than there arenow, but the pile get divided
further. And, and he actuallyraised prices on a few cars last
month, which makes me think,okay. They've now cut them as
far as they could cut them, andthey can't sell them Any
producer in the car to lock.
Duane Patterson (44:47):
Truck ever to be put on wheels.
John Campbell (44:49):
I saw one. First one I've seen in the wild. I saw
this weekend, actually, on adirt road here in Arizona. It
was cruising along. I'll saythis.
You notice it. You absolutelynotice it. And I'm not a big fan
of the looks of it. I'm not abig fan of any Tesla, and it's
not I love Elon. I think he'sthe Thomas Edison, whatever
Duane Patterson (45:11):
Steve Jobs. The CGI dragon in doctor No back in
1963. It was that it was it itlooks bad.
John Campbell (45:19):
Do you remember the Cylons on, what what was
that TV show? Some starGalactica? Yeah. That's it. I'm
bad.
Because the eyes that looks likethat, because there's a slit
that goes across the front, theylook like those guys on Balestar
Galactica. That's right. But it,you you met you don't miss it.
(45:39):
And so I know there actually area lot of people think they're
super cool. So it's, it'll sell.
There will be people who, I Iadmire that he went out and did
something that strange. Goodgood for him. That's what
entrepreneurs do. GeneralMotors, Ford Motorcar are never
(46:01):
doing anything like that becausethey they just won't take that
kind of risk. So I I admire himfor taking risks.
Duane Patterson (46:07):
Wouldn't take a look like that and call it the
call it the mock Mustang truck?
John Campbell (46:13):
No. They would not.
Duane Patterson (46:15):
No. Oh,
John Campbell (46:16):
okay. So, but I, I I admire him for doing it.
But, anyway, back back to thewhole thing, the, the EV market
looks like it may be topping outor close to topping out, and
Tesla's whole pitch has beengross, gross, gross, gross,
growth. And if you thought EVswere gonna be 50% of the market
(46:37):
in 2 years, that's why I'm sureyou thought that. But now they
seem to be topping out at around8, 9%.
And in China, not just Tesla,but also Apple, I don't know
what you saw today, iPhone saleswere down 10% last quarter. So
there's another company that wasgrowth, growth, growth, growth
(46:57):
that now looks like that'sstopping. And and for both Tesla
and Apple in China, part of itis the Chinese are saying, go
buy Teslas. You need to buy ourChinese EVs. And they're saying,
go buy Apple phones.
You need to buy Huawei phones.And so these American companies
that counted on China as beingtheir growth engine, that's
(47:18):
clearly stopped. And frankly,I'm okay with that.
Duane Patterson (47:23):
Okay. So, here's here's a story that's fun
for the whole family. It's, itit it's just kinda one that just
kinda make you laugh. Now afteryou left the congress in 2015,
one of your many side jobs thatyou tried for about a week was
to be a college professor.Right?
John Campbell (47:42):
I did. I actually did it for
Duane Patterson (47:44):
One semester.
John Campbell (47:46):
No. They were,
Duane Patterson (47:49):
2. You did not get 2 full semesters in.
John Campbell (47:52):
They were semesters. They were quarters.
Duane Patterson (47:54):
Oh, no. It was UCI.
John Campbell (47:56):
It was UCI. So it's a quarter system. Quarters.
Duane Patterson (47:58):
Yes.
John Campbell (47:58):
So I
Duane Patterson (47:58):
did it for 2 1 semester?
John Campbell (48:00):
2 quarters, and I also, before that, did 1
semester at Pepperdine.
Duane Patterson (48:06):
Oh, okay. Well, I forgot about the Pepperdine
gig. Yeah. Anyway, I justremember the I remember the UCI
gig that you were that you wereraving about and you did for
about a week and a half, andthen you said, okay. This this
is for the birds.
I wanna go to HarvardUniversity, Hughes, Hughes
College. Right? And they had apresident there named Claudine
(48:28):
Gay that got herself in a weebit of trouble, and she got
bounced from her presidency ofHarvard College. And do you
remember why she ended upgetting bounced, John Campbell?
John Campbell (48:37):
I think she might have, let's see. What's it
called? When you take thingsthat other people wrote and and
you write them as well.
Duane Patterson (48:45):
The verb is called Biden's
John Campbell (48:47):
She she Biden. She Biden. There there are other
people use the term plagiarized,so, so I believe that's what she
did. Yes.
Duane Patterson (48:56):
Well, according to the College Fix, Claudine Gay
has, announced that she is goingto have an upcoming semester
class schedule where she isgoing to teach a graduate level
class. Do you wanna know whatthe what the course is called,
John? Just take a wild stab atwhat Claudine Gay would be
(49:18):
teaching to to, to graduatingschool, to postgraduates? How to
write your own original papersor something? Reading and
research.
John Campbell (49:29):
Oh, yeah. Okay. Claudine Gay
Duane Patterson (49:33):
is gonna teach kids how to do reading and
research.
John Campbell (49:36):
So they can use other people's work
Duane Patterson (49:38):
So they can use it
John Campbell (49:39):
for themselves. Own.
Duane Patterson (49:41):
Yeah. I'm sure. Spectacular. Yeah. Now my good
news stories of the week, aretwofold.
Number 1, back in 1981, Galluphad a survey of US voters' view
on the state of Israel, if theywere, what their positivity
index was towards the nationstate of Israel. And back in
1981, this is again RonaldReagan's coming in, They've just
(50:06):
had, you know, the seventiesdepression, all this kind of
nonsense going on, gas lines,economic shortages, oil, gas gas
prices, all this kind of stuff.44% of the country had a
positive view of Israel in thestate in in 1981. Today, that
(50:26):
number is at at 51%. It's goneup 7% net in the last, 40 years
or so.
It's gradually trickling up, hasbeen the trend over the last 40
years. So to me, if you look atall the anti Israel protesting
that's going on on the bridgesand roads all over the country,
(50:47):
and you hear Joe Biden trying toappease this, tiny minority
that's not really a thing, justknow that the country itself is
still more pro Israel than it'sever ever has been, actually,
historically. Number 2, and Idon't wanna get too, evangelical
(51:07):
about this. I'm not Catholic,but the the evangelical side of
me, if you look at what Irantried to pull off on Saturday
night, they sent dozens ofballistic missiles that take 12
minutes to get to their intendedtarget. They sent hundreds of
cruise missiles that, take about2 hours to get to their intended
(51:29):
target.
They said, who knows how manydrones, which take 9 hours to
get to their intended target.Any one of them could have
caused mass casualties in thestate of Israel. And the
defense, both the US military,which was stellar, and there
were Jordanian fighters, therewas coalition forces, but the
(51:52):
Israeli arrow 2 and arrow 3missile defense system. What do
you think the odds are that itworks to the degree it worked
and nothing lands with theexception of one lone rocket in
a remote area that hit 1 kidthat ignored a warning to get
into a bunker early enough. Ifthat kid would have, heeded the
(52:16):
warning and gotten into a bunker2 minutes sooner, there would
have been 0 casualties.
I mean, 0 casualties after this.The odds of a defense system
working a 100%, it's nonexistent, John. I mean, this is
hand of god stuff to me. Thereis there is there is a reason
(52:38):
beyond what just humancapability was as to why this
attack by Iran was such aspectacular failure. Right?
Or is that just me?
John Campbell (52:48):
No. And I actually have nothing to add, to
what you said. I think youexpressed it expressed it very
well. It is quite, remarkablethat that happened. And we
haven't talked about thisbecause you and I don't know
enough.
The the, what is the warcouncil? I'm sure in Israel is
(53:13):
working on Yeah. On what they'regonna do. And maybe by the time
people listen to this, we'llknow, but they have a lot of
information we don't know. And,yeah, that that defense was
absolutely like you saidremarkable.
Duane Patterson (53:28):
It was just remarkable.
John Campbell (53:30):
It really was. And what Israel does from here
depends on can you destabilizeIran? You wanna keep the Saudis
on board. We need to go back tothe Abraham Accords, that sort
of thing. There's there's a lotto consider here.
If what whatever step Israeltakes, what will be the
(53:50):
counterstep that Iran takes, andhow do they go from there? And,
you know, you know, they cangame theory this thing out and
figure out where they're gonnago. And that's what I'm sure
they're gonna do because it'sexistential to them. And mister
Biden can say whatever he wantsto say, but it's not him, his
country, and his people that theenemy wants to exterminate. And
(54:12):
so easy for him to say, take awin, step back.
We'll let them decide whatthey're gonna do.
Duane Patterson (54:19):
Absolutely. And with that, I think that's gonna
wrap up this edition of lookthrough the chaos. Lots of stuff
we covered this week. We will beback on Thursday with another
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You can listen to it on thatpage as well. Plus, read my
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I'm Duane Patterson. Thanks forlistening to look through the
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We'll see you on Thursday.
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get anything between John andme. That's look through to
chaos.com. Hi, John.
How are you? There's a there'ssome
John Campbell (01:41):
generally speaking.
Duane Patterson (01:41):
Chaotic things in the news this week.
John Campbell (01:44):
Yeah. There are. I mean, the missiles flying
usually is contributes to chaos.It's not something that is
normally calming and andpeaceful by definition.
Duane Patterson (01:56):
So neither one of us I would consider to be
Israeli experts or even MiddleEast experts. So there's not
much we can add from a tangiblestuff you didn't already know
standpoint, but there is aspectsof the American response to how
this whole thing has played outthat we can give you some
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information on and that we needto point out, and it's stuff
that just makes me crazy, John.John Kirby, the co press
secretary of the Bidenadministration, has been making
this point for quite some time,and he made it again on Sunday,
on Fox News, Sunday with ShannonBream, and he made it again at
the White House, press briefingtoday. Well, on Monday when we
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taped this. And the the conceptis media is starting to push
back and ask questions about,hey.
Wait a minute. I thought Iranwas broke when you guys took
over, and they couldn't affordall this terrorism. They
couldn't afford all the rocketsand all the ballistic missiles,
and now all of a sudden theycan't. Is this because you freed
up all that money for them induring your administration? And
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here's what John Kirby had tosay on Sunday, cut number 1.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Is it not fair to say, though, that there have
been moves by thisadministration that have opened
up cash and other opportunitiesfor them, which we know are
fungible in ways that are nothelping the Iranian people, but
are benefiting the elites andpeople there who chant death to
America. And death to Israel.You and I
Speaker 1 (03:25):
have had this fungibility argument, before. I
obviously take a differentissue, or take an issue with
that characterization. The thesanctions relief that has come
about or, it's not evensanctions relief, but the
additional funds that have beenmade available to Iran due to
sanctions relief program thatthe Trump administration put in
place can only be used forhumanitarian goods. It doesn't
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go to the regime. And the ideathat the regime was somehow felt
like they were freed up tosupport these proxies because of
that, it just doesn't comportwith the facts.
They have been supporting these
Speaker 4 (03:57):
proxies for
Speaker 1 (03:58):
many, many years.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
And it comports with their language, though, saying
we will use this money in theway that we wanna use it. They
can't.
Duane Patterson (04:05):
Now John Campbell, you were in government
for 10 years. You helped overseebudgeting. You were in charge of
monetary policy. The the conceptof fungibility is a word that's
confusing to a lot of people.Maybe a lot of people listening
to this podcast don't quite havea handle on what fungibility
actually means or what thisargument is about.
(04:27):
Personally, I know what itmeans, and I think John Kirby
and the White House are full ofit. I think you can lay
everything we're seeing at theirat their feet. But explain to
people what fudgeability is andhow this actually manifests
itself.
John Campbell (04:41):
They are. And before I do that though, who was
asking those questions?
Duane Patterson (04:44):
Do you know? That was Shannon Bream over at
Fox News.
John Campbell (04:47):
Oh, my gosh. Because good for her. I would
say whoever was asked thatquestion, good follow-up
questions and so forth. But,yes, I was actually in full time
elected office for 14 years whenyou include California
legislature, which is one of, Ibelieve, only 5 legislatures in
the country that are full timethat don't adjourn and go home
in ape ape somewhere betweenMarch May. So I'm gonna use an
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example from there so thatpeople understand it.
California, when I was there,got people to vote for funding
for roads. Because as high asthe taxes are in California, the
roads suck, and they don't spenda lot of money on the roads
fixing them, etcetera. So theysaid, we're gonna increase tax,
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sales tax, gas tax by a certainpercentage, and we will
guarantee that all this moneygoes to roads. And the people of
California bought it and becausethey read the actual language in
the initiative, and it said, allthe money raised from this thing
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has to go to Rhodes. So theysaid, alright.
I don't wanna raise taxesanymore, but I will do it as
long as it goes to Rhodes andit's not going to something else
because that's winter due. Buthere's then what they did. They
took the money that was alreadygoing to Rhodes before that
initiative was passed, and theydiverted that into all kinds of
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social programs and all kinds ofother garbage, you know, you
know, for illegal aliens andwhatnot, which is exactly what
people wanna do. So they endedup getting 0 more dollars for
roads and higher taxes instead.And the higher taxes as it
because of the fungibility ofthis money, because the other
money wasn't locked into goingto roads.
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They were able to move it tosomething else. So the end
result was space same money gotspent on roads. Everybody's
taxes went up. The roads werecrappy, and they spent it on all
the garbage that people didn'twant to have it spent on. And
that's part of how Californiagot into the mess that it is.
Now let's look and move thatover to e Iran and what's going
on. First of all, as ShannonBreen said, the Ayatollah
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himself said specifically, hesaid, you've someone asked him
in an interview, some, like, BBCperson or or maybe it was, Al
Jazzaar. I don't know. But Idon't remember. But asked him,
what are you gonna spend thismoney on?
You have to spend it onhumanitarian. And he said, we'll
spend it on whatever we want.Okay. So there you go. The
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person with the money is sayingthey'll spend it on whatever we
want, but let's just take thatand say that was a throwaway
comment.
And say they do get this moneyand they spend on humanitarian.
Well, then whatever else they'respending on anything else, I
mean, I'm sure, yeah, they spenda lot of money on weapons and on
their military, but I'm surethey spend some money on roads,
on their people somehow, ontheir health care system, on
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whatever they do so they canjust take all that money, spend
it on missiles to go attack Jewsin Israel with, and then take
the other money take the, moneythey were spending on that and
spend it on that other stuff. Sobut, you know, it's like many
things this Biden administrationsays. I'm sure that question was
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probably the only such questionthey got, that he got. It was
challenging at all on thisissue.
So all they have to do is lie toFox News or occasionally if some
other reporter in there, I Imean, we know that the regime
media I I mean, like, KathrynHaraj, who used to be at CBS,
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but they fired her. And, youknow, any of these regime media
outlets that used to havesomeone that would ask stuff
questions of the administration,they've gotten rid of them. So
now I think they just figure,alright. We'll just lie to them.
No one else will question us.
You know, if this were Trump ina, in a press conference or
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Trump press secretary. They'd be
Duane Patterson (08:55):
trying to lie this at the or lay this at the
feet of Trump all of the thewhole way.
John Campbell (09:00):
Well and CBS asked that question. NBC then
would do a follow-up. ABC woulddo the next follow-up. CNN would
do the next follow-up. Bloombergwould do the next follow-up.
Yep. Wall Street Journal woulddo the next follow-up. Atlantic
would do the next follow-up.Reuters would do that. AP would
do that.
They they would ask the samequestion 15 times, and and they
wouldn't be able to lie theirway through it. The Biden
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administration knows they onlyneed to lie once, and there
won't be any follow-up, andthey're done. And so that's part
of the problem. A lie. It's anabsolute ball ball faced lie
that that they can't spend thismoney on anything else.
Duane Patterson (09:33):
At at best, when when John Kirby is saying
that, well, they they can't.They they they're they're not
allowed to spend the money onterrorism. At best, he's being
willfully obtuse and notunderstanding how how seamless
money flows once it's within agovernment organization. And at
worst, he knows what he'stalking about, and he's just
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lying his his rear end off.Right?
John Campbell (09:56):
And 100 percent it's it's like, yo, Hamas gives
you figures on casualties. Doesanybody believe anything Hamas
says? Yes.
Duane Patterson (10:05):
Yes. He regime does.
John Campbell (10:06):
Yes. He did. No one in their right mind should,
nor should we believe Iran, norshould we believe anything
coming out of the ChineseCommunist Party. The these these
groups lie. That is what theydo.
And when you accept them, it's,as I as I did said on Hugh and I
(10:27):
said on his show this morning,it's like believing Hitler.
Peace in our oh, don't worry.Just give me the Sudan land. I'm
not gonna attack any place else.Don't worry about it.
No sweat. No problem. It's likebelieving Hitler. We now know in
retrospect that was prettystupid, but people did it. But
people did it.
And and right now we have thesame thing going on. There are
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people believing what Iran says,which is insane.
Duane Patterson (10:52):
Okay. So I wanna cover 2 political aspects
of the, escalation between Iranand and Israel. And that is the
house of representatives, MikeJohnson, the speaker of the
house, announced over theweekend that in light of the
attack, he was going to fasttrack. He was going to
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streamline a stand alone Israelaid package, which I would think
would pass fairly easily in thehouse. I'm sure there's a bunch
of anti Semitic cranks on theDemocratic side that would have
a problem with it, but it willyou know, stand alone aid
package would probably pass inthe house pretty easily.
And I would imagine if it wentover to the senate, John
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Campbell, in light of theattacks, it would be hard for
Chuck Schumer to say no to that.But at the White House today, we
had not one but two questionsabout a stand alone aid package
asked of both Corinne JeanPierre and of John Kirby. Here
is how John Kirby handled it.Cut number 4.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
We are opposed to a stand alone, bill that would
just work on Israel as we'veseen proposed.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
We would we would oppose a stand alone bill. Yes.
Duane Patterson (12:03):
They would veto they would veto an Israel aid
bill stand alone because well,to hear that because, you have
to get into the depth ofknowledge on this subject that
Corinne Jean Pierre has. Cutnumber 3. Listen to this.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
House speaker Mike Johnson has said that he'll move
forward, with a vote onadditional Israel aid. If
Congress were to pass additionalaid for Israel and only that,
will president Biden reject it?
Speaker 6 (12:29):
So we've been very clear, my colleagues from here
just moments ago, that we, willnot accept a stand alone. A
stand alone, would wouldactually not help Israel and and
Ukraine. It would actually delaythe needs that they the the the
needs that the the needed aid,that they obviously need, to
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fight. You see what werehappening in Ukraine? Obviously,
brave people of Ukrainian areare fighting against a tyrant.
We need to make sure that theyhave this the assistance that
they need. We saw what happenedin Israel just over, over the
weekend, and the leadership thatthis president has shown. It
would it would actually it wouldactually not help them if we do
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a stand alone, and we do notsupport a stand alone.
Duane Patterson (13:12):
Now, John, there's so much. There is so
much in here. But number 1, thefact that we can do a stand
alone aid package, and KarimJohn Pierce says that actually
wouldn't help. Now if you were acountry getting an aid package
from the US, would that help ornot help you?
John Campbell (13:32):
Yeah. I think it would help. I think it was See,
Duane Patterson (13:35):
I'm thinking that would help you. Yeah. But
when but when she says, yes,we're going to veto that just
from a political standpoint.Don't you as a Republican want
to force Joe Biden to veto anaid bill to Israel right after
they just had 300 missileslaunched at it? Don't you wanna
force him to do that?
John Campbell (13:54):
Yes. But it won't happen because Schumer won't
take it up. One thing I disagreewith you that you said in the
lead into this was that youthought Schumer would have to
take it up. I don't think hewould have had to anyway, but
with the veto threat, thatreally gives him cover. That
gives him huge cover to not takeit up.
So I and he'll just say, well,we're not gonna waste floor time
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for something that's not gonnapass. Very, very easy, for him
to not take it up. So that's notgonna happen.
Duane Patterson (14:22):
You don't think the pressure against
John Campbell (14:24):
No. Wow. No. I don't I don't think so. So so
now, because remember, they'restill more worried about their
100,000, you know, pro Hamaspeople in Dearborn, Michigan
than they are about every Jew inAmerica.
I I just they just are or a verypro Israel Christian in America
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for that matter. But I, what soI I still, I think speaker judge
should put it on the floor, passit, send it over there, and and
he'll, do that with it. Now itmay give the only thing by doing
that, it may give some cover tosome vulnerable Democrats who
can vote for it knowing it's notgonna pass, although that might
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get them in some trouble withtheir left at home. So who
knows? Whether you do that ornot depends on what kind of
position it puts vulnerableDemocrats in.
You know, we're we're close toan election now. An awful lot of
bills that get put on the floorin either house are there to
stake out positions for theelection. Because something
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walking. Something you voted ona year ago, a lot of times
people forget. But something youvote on a month or 2 or 3 months
or 4 months before an electionbecomes fresher in people's
mind.
Your cards can run ads and bringit up, and it makes more things.
So so there will be a lot ofcalculus on that. Obviously, it
would help every Republican, butthe question is, would you be
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helping Democrats if you gavethem something they could vote
for that wasn't actually becomelaw? Now let's assume that
happens. What what's speakerJohnson's next step?
So what basically the presidentis saying is I'll do support for
Israel, but you gotta putsupport for Ukraine in it.
Duane Patterson (16:09):
He's holding the Jews hostage. He's holding
Israel hostage to Ukraine aid iswhat he's doing.
John Campbell (16:14):
So so a lot of a lot of Republicans don't wanna
vote for Ukraine, and and maybethis would just blow up because
nobody would vote for it. But ifyou put Israel funding together
and Ukraine funding together andin it but you paid for it.
Because one of the things Ithink we really every Republican
bill should be doing now isyou're not gonna cure the
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deficit with a $100,000,000,000or $50,000,000,000 or anything
else. But the the rule of holes,once you're in one stop tipping
we are in
Duane Patterson (16:44):
a very spending offset you have to do spending
offsets.
John Campbell (16:47):
On on everything. I think on everything we want to
do, there has to be a spendingoffset. And there's plenty of
offsets you could put in thereSure. Of course
Speaker 1 (16:55):
there are.
John Campbell (16:56):
That Republicans would like and would vote for.
Now you'd lose a bunch of you'dlose some Republicans that don't
wanna fund Ukraine. It but ifthe offset was, you know, the
IRS or the offset was, thesedays, the Department of Justice
or the offset was the Departmentof Education or, you know, the
offset was something Republicansreally wanted. Might you get
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some Republicans to go for it?And It would be yeah.
Duane Patterson (17:20):
It might be worth it.
John Campbell (17:21):
That that you could send over and say, there
you go, mister president.There's your Ukraine package.
The reality is when you put allof this stuff together, is it's
very hard to imagine a bill.It's hard for me to imagine
right now, a bill that's outthere that would fund Ukraine,
(17:44):
fund, fund Israel that would getthe president to sign it and a
majority of Republicans in thehouse, a a substantial majority
of Republicans in the house tovote
Speaker 1 (18:00):
for it.
John Campbell (18:00):
Now you could put a straight up Israel, Ukraine
funding bill on the floor in thehouse, just straight up, no
offsets. And a whole bunch ofDemocrats would vote for it. A
bunch of Republicans would votefor it, and it would pass. And
it would go to the senate, andit would pass. The president
would sign it.
But you would have a lot ofreally pissed off Republicans in
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both the house and the senate,for doing that. So I'm not sure
that that would be a Democraticbill, and I'm not sure that in a
Republican controlled house, youwanna float that out there.
Duane Patterson (18:35):
Okay. Last, avenue on this, topic before we
move on to other things is todayis not only tax day, at least
Monday was tax day in, theUnited States, but it was, pro
Hamas shutdown traffic day. Itwas, we are anti Jewish
everywhere we possibly can, andwe are not going away. It
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happened on the Golden GateBridge. They they chain
themselves to the center of theGolden Gate Bridge and shut off,
traffic for hours upon end.
At O'Hare Airport, theprotesters shut down people
trying to catch a flight at theworld's busiest airport. And,
the police showed up to providea cordon or in a barricade to
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protect angry citizens trying toget to the airport from
attacking the protesters andmoving them out of the way. So,
actually, the police ended upblocking traffic. In New York,
they went after the BrooklynBridge. They went after
Independence Hall in Philly.
It happened in briefly in Tampa,Florida. It happened, until the
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police showed up and clearedeverybody out in about 15
minutes. There were protests inMiami, but not in traffic. They
learned that lesson. They theythey were protesting on the
sidewalk somewhere, but theythey weren't affecting traffic.
But all over the country onMonday, John, basically, Joe
Biden's base turned out. Here'sour friend Tom Cotton and what
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he had to say about it. Cut 5.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
Feel very deeply for all those people who are trying
to get to work or trying to pickup a a kid. Very worried about
the diversion of policeresources where it needs to be
stopping crime in cities likeSan Francisco where firefighters
are having to go there when theymight have, calls for fires out.
I have to say, Sandra, I agreewith you that you have to get to
these pro or these, criminalsearly. If something like this
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happened in Arkansas on a bridgethere, let's just say I think
there'd be a lot of very wetcriminals that have been tossed
overboard, not by lawenforcement, but by the people
whose, road they're blocking. Ifthey glued their hands to a car
or the pavement, well, probablypretty painful to have their
skin ripped off, but I thinkthat's what the way we'd handle
in Arkansas, and I wouldencourage most people anywhere
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that get stuck behind criminalslike this, who are trying to
block traffic to take matters intheir own hands.
There's only usually a few ofthem, and there's a lot of
people being inconvenience. It'stime to put an end to this
nonsense.
Duane Patterson (21:02):
So, John Campbell, here's the thing. I I
have to believe in my heart ofhearts the closer we get to the
election. This is not the summerof 20 where you've got Antifa
and race riots going oneverywhere, burning everything
down, and everybody getting thevapors over this. Nobody likes
to see this, and the the amountof people in this country that
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are saying, yeah. Chain yourselfto the Golden Gate Bridge over
over, support for Hamas.
I'm not seeing this has gotta bea big catching issue this this
fall, and all it's doing ifthere are even a dozen
independents left in thiscountry, they're turning off the
independents. Right? I mean,what's the political
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ramification for all this?
John Campbell (21:48):
Yeah. I love senator Cotton. I served with
him. He was in the house when Iwas in the house, and, man, he's
a great guy. I love him, andthat was that was outstanding.
And it's one of the things thatkept being missus Campbell and
I. We're watching Fox News atlunchtime. It is now Monday tax
day. You you won't be listeningto this until after that, but
we're recording this on Mondaytax day, April 15th. And we were
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watching it during lunch justbefore we came and did this.
And we have Fox News on, and wethey said it'd been blocked for
hours, and we were like, well,why didn't they just take bolt
cutters, cut them, throw them inthe back of squad cars, and get
them the hell out of there? Whatwhy did that take 3 hours to
block the Golden Gate Bridge todo that? And I'm sure in
California, there was lots ofhandwringing about, oh, we can't
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disturb these protesters. But toyour point, I don't know how
they think this is helping theircause. I just don't be.
No.
Duane Patterson (22:40):
It just can't.
John Campbell (22:41):
The there I as you say, these people are
getting to work. They're gettingto a job. They're picking up a
kid. They're doing whatever. Thepeople are going to the airport.
I saw some of the people goingto the airport would just park
on this pull up on the side ofthe road, park, lock their car
Abandon their
Duane Patterson (22:55):
car or lock their car and just have to walk
into the airport.
John Campbell (22:57):
Abandon their car and just walk in the airport.
And I don't care if you're aDemocrat or what. You can't be
thrilled by this. And and so I Idon't know how they think this
helps their cause. I I presumewhat they're thinking is that
they get publicity.
Okay. Score. They get that.Alright. If that's what they
want, they're getting that.
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But I and I understand ReggieJackson said love me or hate me,
but talk about me. I'm not surethat works in politics
completely. You don't wanna bethe bad news story every day.
You don't wanna be the storythat
Duane Patterson (23:31):
people didn't work for Donald Trump in 2020,
did it? Everybody talked aboutTrump every every day of the
week and and twice on Sunday,and it didn't work out for
Donald Trump in 2020.
John Campbell (23:41):
And the, the the parallels you and I talked about
this in our exhaustive show showprep. The parallels to 1968 are
absolutely scary. They're comingtogether right now. That was
with the left splitting with theDemocrats over the war in
Vietnam
Duane Patterson (24:00):
Vietnam.
John Campbell (24:00):
Which was being prosecuted by Lyndon Baines
Johnson, who was not running forreelection, but whose vice
president, Hubert Humphrey, was.And so it was still kind of the
continuation of thatadministration running an
unpopular war, a war that wasunpopular with the hard left of
the Democratic Party at thetime. Bingo. We have the same
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thing here. Difference beingthat US troops are currently not
serving on the ground beingkilled at the rate of 200 a week
during that war.
But it is a split with the hardleft of the Democratic Party
that is antiwar, same as it wasin 68. And, you know, that
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Democratic event what is this?This is April, so we got May,
June, July. 4 months, you've gotthe Democratic primary. And I
have to think that unlesssomething dramatic changes in
the Middle East between now andthen where Israel pulls back
somehow, or Gaza becomes a a aparadise of swimming pools or I
don't know what, that these guysare going to be at that
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convention, and they they're Ido you hear those chants today?
Genocide Joe has got to go.Genocide Joe has got to go. That
that they well And again Andagain we can vote for Donald
Trump, and he'll go.
Duane Patterson (25:19):
According to Tom Cotton, this is Joe this is
Joe Biden's base. These arepeople. This is what he is
setting the nonsensical, unsuntenable, position. Paul a
foreign policy on Israel isbeing set to try to appease the
very people that are callingthem genocide Joe.
John Campbell (25:36):
And I don't think they're appeasable. I just I
just don't think that's gonnahappen. And by the way, we were
watching it on Fox News, and Ithought for a minute, I wonder
what CNN's doing. So I clickedover to CNN because I was
curious how they were coveringit. They were covering Trump's
trial.
I don't even know. I I theyweren't even covering this. I
mean, okay. This isjournalistic, malpractice. This
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truly is.
Shutting down the Golden GateBridge is news. I don't care I I
don't care who did it. I don'tcare why they did it. That's
news, and it's happening rightnow. Instead of that, they're
covering this Trump trial,which, by the way, will be their
neck tomorrow and the day afterthat and 3 months from now.
And
Duane Patterson (26:19):
we're through June. Yeah. It's gonna go for 2
months.
John Campbell (26:22):
Yeah. And I'm not even sure the people who watch
CNN care that much about it. I Ijust I I just don't think they
do. It's it's amazing. I mean,you will look at that, and
there's no wonder that CNN hascouple 100000 people who watch
it anymore, rather than themillions that watch Fox.
Duane Patterson (26:41):
So I watched a smattering of the Sunday shows
just to mine, data in
John Campbell (26:47):
my Did you did you do that for the listeners to
this podcast? I did it
Duane Patterson (26:51):
for listeners of podcast. I did it for the
Hugh Hewitt Show because that'skind of my job. So
John Campbell (26:57):
That is a selfless act. I I wanna I wanna
say people should be, thankingyou for that. That is
Duane Patterson (27:03):
a selfless act. I I watch I watch the Sunday
shows, so you don't have to.Yes.
John Campbell (27:07):
There you go.
Duane Patterson (27:08):
About half of the time on most of the Sunday
shows, half the time was spenton the the Iran attack that
happened the night before. Forobvious reasons, they they
couldn't ignore it. They werejust trying to find a way to
salvage Joe Biden's, position onit. The other half of the Sunday
shows were spent on abortion.Now you and I you and I and
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nobody else in the country istalking about the abortion issue
today, But that's what theyspent half of the Sunday shows
on.
Today, on MSNBC and CNN, it'swall to wall Trump trial because
it is.
John Campbell (27:44):
I'm sorry to think the I'm sorry to think the
that the regime BD just talksthemselves, that the that the
only people that watch CBS arethe people at NBC and ABC.
Duane Patterson (27:53):
Wish casting.
John Campbell (27:54):
Yeah.
Duane Patterson (27:55):
It's wish casting.
John Campbell (27:56):
It's ridiculous.
Duane Patterson (27:57):
Okay. Let's do some good news before we
completely run out of time. AndI want to let you do the good
news because I kinda stepped onyou last time and, monopolized
it. Now I know the subjectmatter you want to crow about on
good news, and and we maydisagree on the good news. You
can convince me, but, you know,I'm seeing stories like your one
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one of your 3 current governors,and I mean, you know, your cow
farm governor, this would be,governor Laura Kelly in the
state of Kansas, just vetoed aprotection for children with
gender dysphoria from havingsurgery.
She's vetoed it after it passedthe Kansas legislature. I also
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read last week that it's nowconsidered to be homophobic
violence to notice that Hamasactually hates gays and would
actually kill gays as part oftheir as part of their religion.
But if you point that out to tryto tell people it's kind of a
silly argument to be gay ortransgendered and support Hamas
when they would kill you justthe same. You, by pointing that
(29:04):
out, are engaging in homophobicviolence. I think we're losing
the narrative, John Campbell,but you've got some good news on
this.
So
John Campbell (29:11):
I do. I I think perhaps we're turning the core
corner on this whole transgenderthing. And remember, everyone,
that what this is about, if yougo back and read the, I don't
know, epistles, if you will, ofthe people who essentially
started this Neo Marxistmovement back in the sixties
(29:34):
seventies and and even to someextent early eighties, and
people have continued that inthis century. Amongst the things
that is important for the NeoMarxist overthrow of the United
States from within, Obviously,we have to get rid of the
constitution. We have to get ridof of, American exceptionalism
(29:55):
in our culture.
But one of the things they hateintensely is the nuclear family.
They they believe that thenuclear family of a husband, a
wife, and children, is is abarrier to putting Marxism and
socialism in place. So it theyneed to destroy that. And, the
(30:18):
whole s 2 LGBTQII+plus movementis a well orchestrated and
thought out over decadesmovement and, progression of
overturning, of getting rid ofthe nuclear family. It is one of
(30:39):
the pillars of American societythat they wish to tear down.
And when they're all torn down,the roof of American society
falls in, neo Marxistauthoritarian government, and
Nirvana in their view, goingforward. So that is why this
transgenderism is so important.I there are a lot of
conservatives and people outthere who dismiss it. I talk
(31:00):
about it some and, you know,it's a 1% of the 1 hundredth of
a percent of the population. No.
No. They want it to be half thepopulation because it tears down
the nuclear family. So, theyhave been making huge progress
in this in as you as you justmentioned, in schools, in
governments to get people likeokay. I understand she's a
(31:22):
Democrat, but she's in freakingKansas. And for a Democratic
governor in Kansas to say no, wehave to do gender mutilation of
6 year olds without tellingtheir parents about it Right.
Is is insane. I get it thatCalifornians do that because and
people in Oregon and Washingtonbecause they are insane. Those
(31:43):
governmental they are insane.But but, Kansas people doesn't
make any sense. But there were 2major shifts recently.
1 was the pope and the the I amnot Catholic. I should be having
this discussion with Hugh Hewittor somebody who is, but I am not
a fan of this pope. This pope isa big leftist, and so many of
(32:06):
the things that dictates thatthis pope has made are not
things that I agree with. And hehas waited way into political
waters, way farther than I have,than other popes have done.
Duane Patterson (32:20):
He's gotten in front of, in front of skis a lot
on a lot of social issues. Yes.
John Campbell (32:25):
And all was on the left. All was on the left.
And I've had Catholics tellingme my, former chief of staff, in
fact, when I was in Washington.I was talking to her about it.
And she's like, oh, yeah.
The worst pope in 200, 300years. But when it came to
transgender, he drew a line. Andhe said a couple of weeks ago,
and I'm gonna paraphrase it anddo it badly because pope speak
(32:47):
is not something I'mparticularly well versed in.
But, he basically said, god mademen and women, men and women.
And to say that men are womenand women are men is to is to
mess with God's creation.
Duane Patterson (33:03):
It's an offense to God. It just is.
John Campbell (33:05):
And the Catholic church cannot and does not
support that. So for this Youknow how
Duane Patterson (33:10):
you do that in papal talk? You know how you do
that in papal talk? Okay. How?Do your South Park accent.
John Campbell (33:18):
Oh, oh, wait. No. No. No. The South Park has the
pope.
The pope goes. Yeah. I've seen
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I've watched South Park a lot.
John Campbell (33:27):
But I've watched South Park.
Duane Patterson (33:28):
But but, yeah, you But See, whatever you've
whenever you've got to do anaccent, for for anybody and
you've got to do pope speak orBritish speak or whatever else,
you
Speaker 1 (33:38):
you should just do those laps in the South Park. I
do like Caribbean. I do likeCaribbean. But but
John Campbell (33:42):
the thing is on South Park, the pope just goes.
But because they they make funof everybody on South Park,
which is what I like, includingthe pope. And, anyway but, that
was a good sign. The other thingI tweeted out today, Bill Maher.
Now we've all you know, BillMaher's a big liberal and, but
he's a liberal.
(34:02):
He's not a leftist. He is a trueclassic liberal. And and now if
Bill Maher and I would find lotsof things to disagree on, but,
because it's not like he'sbecoming conservative. He is not
gonna vote for Donald Trump.That that is not where Bill
Maher is.
But he did a diatribe, and it ishilarious. And I was surprised,
(34:25):
actually, Elon even Elon Musktweeted it out to his
200,000,000 followers. That's afew more than I have, and even
more than you have, generally,Simo. Yes. Yes.
200,000,000. But, anyway, hesaid in there, amongst the
things, he was telling aboutplaces that the Democratic Party
has gone too far. And he said,you're going too far, and
(34:46):
basically said, you're ensuringDonald Trump is gonna win, and
you guys need to back off onthis stuff. And he talked about
the transgender thing, and hesaid one of the things Democrats
and we on the left have alwayssaid, well, Europe does it.
Europe does it.
And one of the and he said it,and, again, it's very, very
funny, all the things he saidabout it. But he said, that, in
(35:09):
this case, Europe doesn't do it.No country in Europe. None.
Because the British NationalHealth Service just pulled back
from this.
No country in Europe will allowthe gender surgery, the the
gender mutilation To kids.
Duane Patterson (35:26):
To minors.
John Campbell (35:27):
Kids. To minors. No country in Europe allowed he
said no country actually onplanet Earth allows it except
for the United States. Insane.So he said, so stop so he said,
so on the left, stop this.
You can't even find, you know,shade from any other leftist
country on Earth. Stop itbecause, otherwise, you're gonna
(35:47):
get Donald Trump as president.So, you are seeing some voices
on the left say, you know what?This is a bridge too far, folks.
We need to not go here.
And, of course, as I'vementioned to you, there's
another bridge after this one,which is the the map male
attracted person issue, what weused to call pedophilia.
Duane Patterson (36:11):
Right.
John Campbell (36:13):
And so they're taking things that are
dysfunctions that are, I mean,they're legitimate people,
right, who are male or femaledepending on their chromosomes,
but who believe there'ssomething else. Before this
whole thing happened, it's likea 100th of 1 percent of the
population, and it wasconsidered a dysfunction, a
(36:34):
psychological problem thatneeded to be corrected. And
guess what? That's right. That'swhat it is.
And male and and, minorattracted people are the same
thing. That is a dysfunction.That is that is cruel. It is
cruel to the minor, and that istheir next that you already see
(36:55):
them out there, the same peoplethat
Duane Patterson (36:57):
move Gradually trying to normalize it.
Gradually trying to bring youthe conversation. That's gonna
be another letter in thealphabet.
John Campbell (37:03):
Is it because they correct. And is it because
they love that? It doesn'tmatter whether they love it or
not. The objective is tear downthe nuclear family, tear down
Judeo Christian culture, tear itdown because then we bring in
Neo Marxism, and that's whatthey wanna do. So And I think
that is a good news.
Duane Patterson (37:23):
News is the pendulum is gonna swing back
because
John Campbell (37:25):
it We we we may have hit the peak of transgender
support. It may have peaked andbe coming down the other way. I
hope.
Duane Patterson (37:35):
I sure hope so. Okay. Let's get back to, some
economic stuff. As we havementioned all the way through,
we recorded this on April 15th,which was have been Monday,
which is tax day in the UnitedStates. I wrote my check to,
both Gavin Newsom.
Gavin Newsom, that would be thisguy. Yes. I, I paid for I paid
(38:00):
for a few more deck chairs onthe, California Titanic, on
Monday. But you had somethoughts about tax day and its
effect on US debt, John.
John Campbell (38:12):
Yeah. I was just going to mention, so that people
understand, as we're recordingthis, interest rates,
particularly at the long end,the 10 year treasury and other
things have been on the rise. OnApril 15th at the close of the
market today, the 10 year yield,exceeded 4.6%. I am still of the
(38:33):
belief it's going to 5, 5aquarter by the end of the year.
And that by the way, that meansmortgage rates will be in the
eights, by the by the end of theyear.
If I'm right about that, I canbe wrong. I have been wrong
before. Just ask the captain,missus Campbell. But part of the
reason I believe part or you.Part of the reason I believe
(38:55):
that is that the Q2 of the yearis the best time of the year for
revenues to the federalgovernment.
The federal government spendingis fairly even over the 4
quarters of the year, but theirrevenues are not at all even.
(39:15):
And they get most revenuesbetween April June, And that's
because in April, people paytheir taxes. Yes. There are
people who are overpaid and andand, and get refunds. But if you
get a w two, taxes are taken outevery paycheck, and that happens
throughout the year.
But for all the people outthere, increasing number of
(39:38):
people like me, who don't get aw two or people who have capital
gains income, which isincreasingly a bigger share of
the federal government'srevenue, you don't pay that till
April 15th, and then you payyour estimated payments also on
April 15th and again on June15th. And for all the people who
(39:59):
have LLCs or partnerships andincome that comes from that that
gets taxed on a personal return,but the incomes comes from a
business. And something like 87%of businesses in the United
States now are what you callpass through entities, where the
tax is not paid by the entity,but it's paid by the people who
own the entity. And those peoplepay their taxes on April 15th
(40:22):
and their next payment on June15th. So they're paying
something like 65% of all thetaxes they're going to pay for
the entire year in the secondquarter.
So the federal government rightnow doesn't have to issue as
much treasury debt because ofthe deficit. And it it the
(40:43):
treasury debt new treasury debtthey're issuing in the Q2 is
lower than normal because of allthis money coming in, but that
will soon subside. And then inthe Q3 between July September,
man, they are gonna be issuing aton of new debt. And if the
interest rate on treasury debtis going up now, what happens
(41:06):
when there's a whole bunch moresupply in the Q3?
Duane Patterson (41:09):
It's gonna go up even hotter.
John Campbell (41:10):
Is is that It's gonna go up The rates go up even
more.
Duane Patterson (41:14):
And that and that gets into September when we
start seeing those stats inOctober right before the
election is when the 3rdquarter, numbers come out.
John Campbell (41:23):
Correct. And and for you and your friend Gavin
Newsom So
Duane Patterson (41:28):
Go ahead, John. Oh, that was for you. I So Go
ahead, John.
John Campbell (41:36):
Oh, that was for you. I think
Duane Patterson (41:38):
that was a point for Brutus.
John Campbell (41:40):
That was yeah.
Duane Patterson (41:40):
That was that that was a that was a make good.
Yes. Go ahead.
John Campbell (41:43):
Yeah. Okay. So, anyway, so the, in May, I can't
wait to hear what what he says,but on May 10th, they always
wait, and most states do. Theywait for the actual tax revenues
in April for the state becausethe state revenues work similar
to federal revenues in thatregard. So Gavin is waiting to
(42:08):
see what comes in in April, andhe's hoping against hope that
the revenues are greater thanthey think, than they're
projecting.
So there's deficit isn't so big.So when in May, he has to come
up with his new plan, it doesn'thave to be as difficult a plan
as it looks like right now. But,but Well,
Duane Patterson (42:28):
all I can tell you is I'm I'm doing my part, to
the best of my ability,begrudgingly, but I'm doing my
part today.
John Campbell (42:35):
That's so nice of you. I've sent him 0.
Duane Patterson (42:39):
Yeah. I Yeah. I
John Campbell (42:40):
know. 0. I know.
Duane Patterson (42:42):
I know.
John Campbell (42:42):
I know. So, there you go. But, in fact, I didn't
send much into Arizona becausewe don't have a very high tax
rate here. But it it, they willknow. I mean, today, everybody's
money is in by today.
They'll count it within the next2 weeks. And then by the 1st
May, you'll know, what it lookslike, and and that's when Gavin
(43:05):
will have to decide what heneeds to do.
Duane Patterson (43:08):
Okay. One more economic data point I wanna run
by you and, get your take on,and then we'll do a kind of a
couple of feel good stories tocon conclude this edition of
Look Through the Chaos.Apparently, the EV sales market
has now hit the big guy. It'shit the big dog. Elon Musk at
Tesla announced today that theyare going to have to do a 10%
(43:32):
employee layoff, and this iscompletely corporate wide.
This is line level assembly lineall the way through. This is a a
company wide 10% layoff. And,what did you tell me in our
exhaustive show prep? That's 10,15,000 jobs?
John Campbell (43:48):
It's about 15,000 people. Tesla has about a
150,000 employees worldwide.
Duane Patterson (43:53):
That's that's a real number. I mean, that's
that's actually that's actuallya a a chunk of people are being
laid off.
John Campbell (43:59):
Yeah. Some of those will be in China and some
will be in Germany, but mostshould be in the US.
Duane Patterson (44:06):
So what do you make of that? What does that,
what does that bode for the, forthe market?
John Campbell (44:10):
Well, he has to do it, I think, because their
sales are slowing. Their marginsare slowing, and there's more
competition into a market, whichis the EV market, that looks
like it may be reaching a peak,that there may not be a lot more
(44:31):
EVs being sold than there arenow, but the pile get divided
further. And, and he actuallyraised prices on a few cars last
month, which makes me think,okay. They've now cut them as
far as they could cut them, andthey can't sell them Any
producer in the car to lock.
Duane Patterson (44:47):
Truck ever to be put on wheels.
John Campbell (44:49):
I saw one. First one I've seen in the wild. I saw
this weekend, actually, on adirt road here in Arizona. It
was cruising along. I'll saythis.
You notice it. You absolutelynotice it. And I'm not a big fan
of the looks of it. I'm not abig fan of any Tesla, and it's
not I love Elon. I think he'sthe Thomas Edison, whatever
Duane Patterson (45:11):
Steve Jobs. The CGI dragon in doctor No back in
1963. It was that it was it itlooks bad.
John Campbell (45:19):
Do you remember the Cylons on, what what was
that TV show? Some starGalactica? Yeah. That's it. I'm
bad.
Because the eyes that looks likethat, because there's a slit
that goes across the front, theylook like those guys on Balestar
Galactica. That's right. But it,you you met you don't miss it.
(45:39):
And so I know there actually area lot of people think they're
super cool. So it's, it'll sell.
There will be people who, I Iadmire that he went out and did
something that strange. Goodgood for him. That's what
entrepreneurs do. GeneralMotors, Ford Motorcar are never
(46:01):
doing anything like that becausethey they just won't take that
kind of risk. So I I admire himfor taking risks.
Duane Patterson (46:07):
Wouldn't take a look like that and call it the
call it the mock Mustang truck?
John Campbell (46:13):
No. They would not.
Duane Patterson (46:15):
No. Oh,
John Campbell (46:16):
okay. So, but I, I I admire him for doing it.
But, anyway, back back to thewhole thing, the, the EV market
looks like it may be topping outor close to topping out, and
Tesla's whole pitch has beengross, gross, gross, gross,
growth. And if you thought EVswere gonna be 50% of the market
(46:37):
in 2 years, that's why I'm sureyou thought that. But now they
seem to be topping out at around8, 9%.
And in China, not just Tesla,but also Apple, I don't know
what you saw today, iPhone saleswere down 10% last quarter. So
there's another company that wasgrowth, growth, growth, growth
(46:57):
that now looks like that'sstopping. And and for both Tesla
and Apple in China, part of itis the Chinese are saying, go
buy Teslas. You need to buy ourChinese EVs. And they're saying,
go buy Apple phones.
You need to buy Huawei phones.And so these American companies
that counted on China as beingtheir growth engine, that's
(47:18):
clearly stopped. And frankly,I'm okay with that.
Duane Patterson (47:23):
Okay. So, here's here's a story that's fun
for the whole family. It's, itit it's just kinda one that just
kinda make you laugh. Now afteryou left the congress in 2015,
one of your many side jobs thatyou tried for about a week was
to be a college professor.Right?
John Campbell (47:42):
I did. I actually did it for
Duane Patterson (47:44):
One semester.
John Campbell (47:46):
No. They were,
Duane Patterson (47:49):
2. You did not get 2 full semesters in.
John Campbell (47:52):
They were semesters. They were quarters.
Duane Patterson (47:54):
Oh, no. It was UCI.
John Campbell (47:56):
It was UCI. So it's a quarter system. Quarters.
Duane Patterson (47:58):
Yes.
John Campbell (47:58):
So I
Duane Patterson (47:58):
did it for 2 1 semester?
John Campbell (48:00):
2 quarters, and I also, before that, did 1
semester at Pepperdine.
Duane Patterson (48:06):
Oh, okay. Well, I forgot about the Pepperdine
gig. Yeah. Anyway, I justremember the I remember the UCI
gig that you were that you wereraving about and you did for
about a week and a half, andthen you said, okay. This this
is for the birds.
I wanna go to HarvardUniversity, Hughes, Hughes
College. Right? And they had apresident there named Claudine
(48:28):
Gay that got herself in a weebit of trouble, and she got
bounced from her presidency ofHarvard College. And do you
remember why she ended upgetting bounced, John Campbell?
John Campbell (48:37):
I think she might have, let's see. What's it
called? When you take thingsthat other people wrote and and
you write them as well.
Duane Patterson (48:45):
The verb is called Biden's
John Campbell (48:47):
She she Biden. She Biden. There there are other
people use the term plagiarized,so, so I believe that's what she
did. Yes.
Duane Patterson (48:56):
Well, according to the College Fix, Claudine Gay
has, announced that she is goingto have an upcoming semester
class schedule where she isgoing to teach a graduate level
class. Do you wanna know whatthe what the course is called,
John? Just take a wild stab atwhat Claudine Gay would be
(49:18):
teaching to to, to graduatingschool, to postgraduates? How to
write your own original papersor something? Reading and
research.
John Campbell (49:29):
Oh, yeah. Okay. Claudine Gay
Duane Patterson (49:33):
is gonna teach kids how to do reading and
research.
John Campbell (49:36):
So they can use other people's work
Duane Patterson (49:38):
So they can use it
John Campbell (49:39):
for themselves. Own.
Duane Patterson (49:41):
Yeah. I'm sure. Spectacular. Yeah. Now my good
news stories of the week, aretwofold.
Number 1, back in 1981, Galluphad a survey of US voters' view
on the state of Israel, if theywere, what their positivity
index was towards the nationstate of Israel. And back in
1981, this is again RonaldReagan's coming in, They've just
(50:06):
had, you know, the seventiesdepression, all this kind of
nonsense going on, gas lines,economic shortages, oil, gas gas
prices, all this kind of stuff.44% of the country had a
positive view of Israel in thestate in in 1981. Today, that
(50:26):
number is at at 51%. It's goneup 7% net in the last, 40 years
or so.
It's gradually trickling up, hasbeen the trend over the last 40
years. So to me, if you look atall the anti Israel protesting
that's going on on the bridgesand roads all over the country,
(50:47):
and you hear Joe Biden trying toappease this, tiny minority
that's not really a thing, justknow that the country itself is
still more pro Israel than it'sever ever has been, actually,
historically. Number 2, and Idon't wanna get too, evangelical
(51:07):
about this. I'm not Catholic,but the the evangelical side of
me, if you look at what Irantried to pull off on Saturday
night, they sent dozens ofballistic missiles that take 12
minutes to get to their intendedtarget. They sent hundreds of
cruise missiles that, take about2 hours to get to their intended
(51:29):
target.
They said, who knows how manydrones, which take 9 hours to
get to their intended target.Any one of them could have
caused mass casualties in thestate of Israel. And the
defense, both the US military,which was stellar, and there
were Jordanian fighters, therewas coalition forces, but the
(51:52):
Israeli arrow 2 and arrow 3missile defense system. What do
you think the odds are that itworks to the degree it worked
and nothing lands with theexception of one lone rocket in
a remote area that hit 1 kidthat ignored a warning to get
into a bunker early enough. Ifthat kid would have, heeded the
(52:16):
warning and gotten into a bunker2 minutes sooner, there would
have been 0 casualties.
I mean, 0 casualties after this.The odds of a defense system
working a 100%, it's nonexistent, John. I mean, this is
hand of god stuff to me. Thereis there is there is a reason
(52:38):
beyond what just humancapability was as to why this
attack by Iran was such aspectacular failure. Right?
Or is that just me?
John Campbell (52:48):
No. And I actually have nothing to add, to
what you said. I think youexpressed it expressed it very
well. It is quite, remarkablethat that happened. And we
haven't talked about thisbecause you and I don't know
enough.
The the, what is the warcouncil? I'm sure in Israel is
(53:13):
working on Yeah. On what they'regonna do. And maybe by the time
people listen to this, we'llknow, but they have a lot of
information we don't know. And,yeah, that that defense was
absolutely like you saidremarkable.
Duane Patterson (53:28):
It was just remarkable.
John Campbell (53:30):
It really was. And what Israel does from here
depends on can you destabilizeIran? You wanna keep the Saudis
on board. We need to go back tothe Abraham Accords, that sort
of thing. There's there's a lotto consider here.
If what whatever step Israeltakes, what will be the
(53:50):
counterstep that Iran takes, andhow do they go from there? And,
you know, you know, they cangame theory this thing out and
figure out where they're gonnago. And that's what I'm sure
they're gonna do because it'sexistential to them. And mister
Biden can say whatever he wantsto say, but it's not him, his
country, and his people that theenemy wants to exterminate. And
(54:12):
so easy for him to say, take awin, step back.
We'll let them decide whatthey're gonna do.
Duane Patterson (54:19):
Absolutely. And with that, I think that's gonna
wrap up this edition of lookthrough the chaos. Lots of stuff
we covered this week. We will beback on Thursday with another
edition of Look Through theChaos. You can go to Apple and
Spotify and all the cool placeskids get these things, or you
can go to look through the chaosdot com and all the links are
there.
You can listen to it on thatpage as well. Plus, read my
(54:40):
columns, John Collins. Rate thepodcast, share it with others,
review it, give us good, thumbsup, all that kind of stuff you
do with podcasts, and join usnext time. For John Campbell,
I'm Duane Patterson. Thanks forlistening to look through the
chaos.
We'll see you on Thursday.
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