Boundaries: How to Say "No" Without Being an Asshole

Let’s get real: saying “no” is hard—especially when you’re exhausted, juggling life, health, and expectations. In this raw and no-BS episode, Danny and Tyler crack open what it really means to set boundaries as men. Danny shares his ongoing fight with cancer and how it's forced him to reevaluate everything from weed habits to people-pleasing. The guys dive into what healthy boundaries look like (spoiler: not ghosting, not snapping), why conflict avoidance is killing your peace, and how to stop being a doormat without turning into a jerk.

Also: paddleboard races, reggae jams, and a raffle win you won’t believe. This one’s equal parts gut check and good vibes.

🚧 Boundaries, Baby:

• How to define your “hell no” list (what you won’t accept, no matter what)
• Why saying “no” isn’t rude—it’s survival
• People-pleasing vs. self-respect: drawing the damn line

🧠 Mind Games:

• Rumination loops, mental fatigue, and that voice in your head that won’t shut up
• The difference between avoiding drama and avoiding yourself

🌿 Weed or Crutch?

• Medical marijuana: miracle relief or slippery slope?
• Danny’s honest look at using weed for nausea vs. just zoning out

💔 Family, Farts, and Fights:

• Fighting fair vs. character assassination (and the Gottman rules for not being a jerk)
• Bathroom boundaries, oversharing, and what not to do in a relationship
• Why calling your partner a name might be the beginning of the end

🏄‍♂️ SUP Life:

• Park City SUP throwdown: paddle races, reggae beats, and Danny’s raffle win
• Shoutout to Trent, Carla & the team—organizing a killer event despite mall cop interference

💬 Listener Takeaways:

• Boundaries are like muscles—they only work if you use them
• Say “no” kindly, firmly, and unapologetically
• You can be chill and assertive at the same time
• No one will protect your peace but you

Episode Transcript

Tyler (00:00):
We're

Danny (00:08):
good. Welcome back. We are here.

Tyler (00:12):
How are feeling?

Danny (00:13):
We are. You know, we're we're doing we're trying I mean,
we're trying to stick with it.Yeah. I think that's been my my
life and I apologize. I'm gonnajust like ram steam ramrod.
Go. Like, my life has been areal life game of whack a mole.
Yeah. Whereas like, if I take myattention off of any one thing
to focus on another problem,like three more problems will

(00:35):
pop up and I'll like, I'll lockthem down and like two over here
will pop up and I'm like, soYeah. Anytime I get out of my
routine, which I'm reallystruggling with, and I'm trying
to give myself a little bit ofgrace, right, obviously with
everything that's going on.

Tyler (00:50):
Well, in routines, I mean, how really routine can
your life be? You've got oneroutine. Yeah. Stay healthy, be
healthy, stay alive. Yeah.
That's it. Yeah. That's Yeah.Literally your life right now is
everything that you're doing isto make sure that you are cancer
free Yeah. And that you do whatthe doctors tell you to do,
which means a lot of things go.

(01:12):
Yep. Some of the things thatI've noticed is, like, you'll
we'll be talking and then, like,you'll drift. Mhmm. Right?
You'll wander, and then then wecome back.
And then all of a sudden, we'llbe talking, it'll be like like,
gone. And I'm like, dang. Yeah.And that's, like, crazy because

(01:34):
they get it has to be just aninsane thing that that's
transpiring in your body rightnow.

Danny (01:43):
I think a lot of it is that I haven't been able to
release a lot of my, like

Tyler (01:48):
Pent up.

Danny (01:49):
Pent up energy. Right? For as as sick as I quote
unquote am, I there are dayswhere I don't feel sick.

Tyler (01:55):
Sure.

Danny (01:56):
And those days when I don't feel sick, I'm kind of
like, do you remember Mike Myerswhen he played the hyper hippo
on Saturday night live? He wasthis, like, kid whose mom would
wear like, him in a full bodyharness and then, like, chain
him to the jungle gym. And hewas like, I'm a hyper hippo.

Tyler (02:10):
And he'd just go

Danny (02:11):
Yeah.

Tyler (02:11):
100 miles an hour.

Danny (02:12):
Yeah. I mean, that's it. Like, I realized, like, I'm
pulling at this Tethers. I'mpulling at this tether just
wildly like a like a rabidanimal and I'm not yeah. It's
been all kinds of it's been allkinds of messed up.
It really has. Like, I feel likein the past month, I have
backslid so much. I don't knowthat some of this is just like

(02:36):
my own personal progress, likemy own personal just kind of
being in the thick of it. ButI'm like, I feel like I've
gotten backwards. I feel likeall the work I've done in the
last two years, I've justbackslid.
And now I'm, you know, in theworst shape I've ever been in my
life. Any weight I had I hadlost due to jujitsu, I've gained

(02:56):
back. The the you know, beingstagnant has allowed the demons
to become that much louder.Right? Like

Tyler (03:04):
And and you said this round, because you are in
halfway through of round two

Danny (03:11):
Yep.

Tyler (03:11):
Of maintenance Yep. Arsenic and your your cocktails.
And Yeah. And and it's not likeyou don't take pills. Mhmm.
Like, you take pills regardlessof you're in a treatment or not.

Danny (03:22):
Yep.

Tyler (03:23):
You're taking pills every day Mhmm. That are supposed to
help you fight to preventthings. And you're you're in
this this this round two of thistreatment. Yeah. And there's no
this round you said is makingyou tired.

Danny (03:41):
For whatever reason, yeah, this round has not made me
as nauseous. It's made me justexhausted.

Tyler (03:47):
Exhausted.

Danny (03:48):
And I think part of that was I came off of the first
round and I try I went prettyhard. I traveled to Denver in a
world a a whirlwind trip, right?Like, I was out hiking, we went
out running, like, we lived,right? Like, and I don't regret
I don't regret a single minute.There was definitely several
weeks of just stagnancy of mejust laying on the couch Yeah.

(04:11):
Not in treatment. And that was Ididn't feel good about that.

Tyler (04:14):
That's what you do.

Danny (04:15):
But my brain my my man, my like, yeah, I kinda wanna
like

Tyler (04:19):
Your brain is just your brain is inside. You're you're
going Mhmm. And and just forjust for understanding, arsenic
itself Mhmm. Has a tendencyMhmm. To cause mental Mhmm.
Mental health issues. Yeah. Youknow, you've talked about that.
That, like, arsenic itself.Mhmm.

(04:40):
Just arsenic itself. Mhmm.Because it's I mean, it's a for
all intents and purposes, it's apoison. Yep. You know, using
given an in in lethal doses,anything can be a poison.
Yeah. Correct. Yeah. Is an thisis a a safe way of dealing with
your type of cancer, but thereare going to be ramifications

(05:02):
and symptoms and all these otherthings that come along with
that. Yeah.
But you gotta stay alive. Yeah.Right? Yeah. And so, you know,
when you when you put thosethings in your body and your
body's not used to them, course,of there's gonna be ups and
downs and things.
But given the the the last twoyears of your life Yeah. The

(05:22):
last thing you need, like youtell me, is the last thing you
need is more mental strain onyour already strained mental
health.

Danny (05:29):
No. And and one of the things that I've gone back to
was something that I I I workedreally hard to stop using.
Marijuana for me, don't get mewrong, loved it. We had a great
relationship.

Tyler (05:40):
I love

Danny (05:40):
that it's natural. It is not a fix for me, like it's not
a fix. Like, it's not I wouldn'tit's a medicine in the sense
that the moment I take a puff,the moment I eat an edible,
nausea gone, appetite back, amiracle.

Tyler (05:56):
Let's go. A miracle. Let's go.

Danny (05:58):
Yeah. Outside of that, the problem is is I had I want I
I'm not gonna say that I hadissues, but I saw a problem
developing that I was like, Idon't want a part of this
problem. I don't want to be adaily user. I don't want to be a
pothead. Right?
And so I'm I feel like I'mbacksliding into some of that

(06:19):
dangerous territory.

Tyler (06:21):
Feel great. Yeah. Feel amazing. But man, makes me
tired. Yeah.
And now I have zero motivation.

Danny (06:28):
Zero motivation. Zero yeah.

Tyler (06:30):
Give a fuck. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That would be hard for me
because yeah.
Yeah. I mean, you wanna feelgood. You wanna feel great. And
marijuana does make you feelgood, but there are there are
those side effects that you'relike, I don't like this. So
what's the what do you how'swhere's the healthy balance?
Yeah. I think Your health ismore important right now. Who

(06:51):
cares what happens? You'll in insix months, seven months when
you are free of this thing Yeah.In your chest and free of having
to set your routine around thefour weeks that you go down and
drive and get your treatments,is it like, okay.
Fuck it. I'm gonna do what'sbest for Tyler right now? Yeah.
Who cares what the side effectsare right now?

Danny (07:14):
Yeah. Part of me feels personally like I need to be a
bit more disciplined, or maybethis is where I can I can

Tyler (07:21):
I don't wanna doesn't make you disciplined, dude?

Danny (07:23):
But but I you're absolutely right. You're
absolutely right. But I don'tneed to be using it. It was
like, oh, now I have an excuseto use it.

Tyler (07:29):
Sure.

Danny (07:30):
Am I using it as a medicine or am I using it just
because it's there? That's whatI mean by discipline. Right?
Okay. I get it.
Maybe I'm nauseous and I need touse it.

Tyler (07:40):
Sure.

Danny (07:40):
Maybe I'm, you know, not sleeping well and I need to use
it. I can I can but do I need tobe using it during work hours
when I'm supposed to be? LikeYeah. You know, do I need to
wake and bake? I'll be honest,like, waking up is one of the
times where I wake up kind ofthe most kind of just groggy and
like not yeah.

(08:01):
Not feeling well. And that kindof helps, you know, get the day
going.

Tyler (08:05):
Sure.

Danny (08:05):
But you're right. It's it's not. It's like one of those
things where I just wanna be

Tyler (08:10):
Let's get fucking stung.

Danny (08:11):
Yeah. Let's sit on the beach. I was perfectly happy in
the shade on the beach Yeah.Yesterday. Yeah.
So

Tyler (08:19):
And with that being said, I mean, health your health has
to be your four your foremostthing that you put first right
now. Right? Yeah. And that couldbe potentially just chilling.
Yeah.
It could be. It could be justwho cares who cares if you feel
like you are lazy? Mhmm. Thatmight be what your body kinda

(08:41):
needs right now.

Danny (08:42):
Yeah.

Tyler (08:43):
Right? Yeah. I don't know. I mean Yeah. I I you know,
it's not like you've had cancerto before to to Yeah.
Oh, the last time this happened,this is what I should do. Yeah.
No. We want this to be the lastof the first.

Danny (08:56):
Yeah. And the best I can do is improve in between rounds.
Sure. Right? And and so to say,oh, I've got like, luckily going
into the second round, I didn'thave the issues that I had with
the first round, which wasbasically four days worth of the
most crippling nausea headspinning.
Imagine being do you ever getcarsick? No. Or like seasick?
No. Any of that stuff?
I mean, that's the only thing Ican equate it to. I don't

(09:18):
generally

Tyler (09:18):
Just constantly a little nauseous.

Danny (09:20):
It was like four days worth of just being carsick.

Tyler (09:22):
Dang. I know Misty gets nauseous and it it's definitely
debilitating. Yeah. Like, shetakes medicine. If not, it's
like, I can look on her face andshe's like, I'm like, are you
good?
She's like, nope. Yeah. I'm not.And she'll have to roll down the
window. She's like, oh, I'mgetting kinda hot.
I'm not really. Oh, now I'mgetting a little cold. I just
need to pull over for a second.I need to get my highs. I had my
oldest sister, she is Oh, yeah.

(09:43):
Yeah. 100%. She is carsickwalking. Damn. That's crazy.

Danny (09:49):
Yeah. That's crazy.

Tyler (09:50):
Well and so, like, I'm sure, you know, people in our
audience are are in those sameboats of, like, what's the you
know, what do you do you whichone do you put first? Which do
you put first? Because you'reright. The last time when we
became off treatment, we werelike, fuck it. Let's go.
We're gonna go. Like, we'regonna go a 100 miles an hour.
We're gonna live. Right? Yeah.

(10:11):
And then it was like, oof.

Danny (10:13):
Don't get me wrong. I still want to do that. Like,
don't get me wrong. Like, Iwould I wouldn't change. There
was a week the the stuff that Iwould change was the amount that
I sat around.
Maybe I wouldn't push so hard,maybe it would have been more of
a hike and less of a the a run.

Tyler (10:26):
Alright.

Danny (10:27):
But I wouldn't I wouldn't change I wouldn't change
anything. Yeah. I wouldn'tchange anything. Right? I
Perhaps I need to hit yoga.
Perhaps I need to hit Pilates.Perhaps I need to hit I don't I
don't I don't know what I needto do right now. Yes. I need to
take care of my body. What Ithink I need to do is rather
than say, okay, this is part ofmy I'm like, I have a lot of

(10:47):
pills.
I think I'm probably taking overseven different prescriptions
like you said.

Tyler (10:51):
Oh my god.

Danny (10:52):
You know, I put them in. Some are some are take every
day, some are take as needed.Right? So I take the ones that I
need every day, but if I needit, and that's where that's
where that's where weed needs tobe moved. And this needs to be
moved as the as needed.
I need to use it as I need touse my cancer less as a crutch
to say, hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna

Tyler (11:11):
get high. I'm gonna get high. Were you high at the beach
yesterday?

Danny (11:14):
Oh, yeah.

Tyler (11:15):
You were? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Oh, I was wondering. Yeah.Remember when I came out to you
to give the grapes and you werelike I was like, this guy's
asleep. And you're like,

Danny (11:22):
oh, was totally he was asleep.

Tyler (11:23):
And then I was like, eat some of these goddamn grapes.

Danny (11:26):
I totally was asleep. I was totally like

Tyler (11:28):
And you grabbed one and I was like, Tyler, take a handful.
And you're like

Danny (11:32):
Yeah.

Tyler (11:32):
Okay. Didn't realize

Danny (11:34):
I've been I had I had a driver. I had, like I was just
like, I'm just gonna relax withsome good music. Music? Yeah.

Tyler (11:43):
Gosh. What a day. Yeah. It was a not not to move on. I
I'm interested in in what theyou know, like, when you look
back on this and you have now,you have time stamps and you
have you have this this thisplatform that we use Mhmm.
That that is this time stamps ofour lives. Right? But we're on,

(12:05):
like, going on two and a halfyears of doing this podcast.
Right? And I I don't see achange.
I don't see us stopping anytimesoon unless something drastic
happens. Right? But we don'trelease on a regular basis like
we were because last week, youwere like, look, man, I'm
sleeping. And our schedulesweren't matching up with where

(12:27):
you were like, dude, I that I'mbarely staying awake. Yeah.
I'm not feeling this thing and

Danny (12:31):
Yeah.

Tyler (12:32):
And my schedule was, you know, crazy and my my schedule's
crazy as shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.Right?
And but there's this time stampof of your life. Mhmm. And you
you know, like, when you look ata history line Mhmm. And, like,
there's a little tick mark and alittle tick mark and a little
tick mark of things that havechanged your life, and your tick
mark is gonna have this thiscancer diagnosis, and then it's

(12:53):
going to have, like, anothertick marks after that. Yeah.
Yeah. And how you're going touse this for good and to also
help your clients and peopleYeah. When they're really
struggling. When they're really,really struggling, when they're
deep down struggling because youare you're saying you're saying

(13:13):
this out loud, I am reallystruggling. Mhmm.
And and it's a constant thingthat you're like, look, Danny, I
am I'm struggling. Mhmm. Right?But you put your shoes on. Mhmm.
Put your pants on. You do youryou do what a man is supposed to
do, and that is keep going.Yeah. You know? It would be easy
to be like, I'm done today.
Yeah. You know? Yeah. And thereare men out there that are like,

(13:35):
look, I got I got no fight left.Yeah.
You know? And and you're gonnahave this ability and this,
like, you know, this history of,no. No. You have more to give.
Mhmm.
You have more to give, and it'sgonna be, what can I do? Where
can I where can I put my energytoday? Right? And I think
that's, like, the biggest thingthat you can take from these

(13:57):
things is, like, some days yourenergy is just, I'm not gonna
smoke weed today.

Danny (14:02):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What was that?
Right?

Tyler (14:04):
Yeah. And then sometimes it's gonna be like, hey, I got
some energy today to, like, putsome effort into what I'm
working on and my my passions.Yeah. And it may be an hour or
two. Yeah.
Right? Yeah. And I I don't know.Like, that's the it's gonna be
your your network and yourfriends and your people are
going to benefit from thisshitty thing that happened

(14:25):
because you're gonna you'regonna have a real life
experience.

Danny (14:29):
Yeah. I think I think it's being honest and just being
able to say I'm having thisexperience. Right? Like, I'm
spending way too much time onsocial media. I'm not creating
I'm not creating right now.
I'm not I'm consuming. I'm, youknow what I mean? And I don't
want that to become too big of acrutch. I've I've you can see
how I've used used it a littlebit to justify some bad

(14:52):
behavior. Right?
I don't wanna, you know, overcycle analyze anything, but
like, it is kind of like a touchand go. Not every day is the

Tyler (15:06):
same. Sure.

Danny (15:07):
There is no the only routine that there is is, yes, I
know that I have a certainnumber of appointments and I
have a certain number of pillsI've got to take. I know that my
treatment will likely conclude,fingers crossed, sometime
October.

Tyler (15:22):
That'll be it.

Danny (15:23):
That we should be done. We should be done by the
October.

Tyler (15:27):
Isn't it crazy how time the way time moves? Yeah.
Sometimes it's really slow. Likeyesterday, I felt like the day
was so slow. Yeah.
I felt like the day was I reallyfelt like the day was slow.
Yeah. And then there's othertimes when you're like, my life
is moving so fucking fast.

Danny (15:43):
Yeah.

Tyler (15:44):
How do I slow it down? Yeah. And and like you were
saying, like, it's just Octoberis gonna be here before we know
it.

Danny (15:52):
Right.

Tyler (15:53):
And what will we take away from from this experience?

Danny (15:57):
Yeah.

Tyler (15:57):
What will we take away? Will we go back to our mundane
daily routines, or will you belike, nope? No. I'm I'm chain
making like you've said, I'mgonna make some drastic changes.
Right now, you cannot makedrastic changes.
Yeah. Because your routine keepsyou where you're at. But you
said, I'm making some drasticchanges. Yes. Those will be

Danny (16:15):
I've seen some. Right? Like, there has been situations
where I like I probably havecome out of my shell where I I
normally wouldn't. Stories maybefor the offline version of the
podcast. Interactions withpeople where I'm like, yeah, I
don't care what the the basicprogramming says.
I've now I'm now overriding itbecause I've had this like and

(16:40):
yet another another touch ofmortality. Yeah. Like a
conversation with mortality.Right? You know what I mean?
Like another another brush withdeath.

Tyler (16:47):
Yeah.

Danny (16:47):
So yeah. I I I would expect to see I I'm expecting to
see some I'm expecting of myselfsome changes.

Tyler (16:54):
Sure.

Danny (16:56):
Specifically, as I lay here and I'm like, you start to
complain after a certain amountof time. It's not healthy, but
it happens. How long can you layin bed? Like, seriously, like,
how long how long how long couldyou lay down before you're like,
I'm ready to tear my hair out?

Tyler (17:15):
This morning, I thought I could lay there all the all
morning long. I really was like,I'm gonna lay here. I'm gonna
lay here for the long time.

Danny (17:22):
Realistically, could you do a day?

Tyler (17:24):
No. I don't know. Maybe a hungover.

Danny (17:27):
Yeah. Maybe a day?

Tyler (17:29):
Maybe a day. Maybe. Maybe. I think you and I are the
same. Well, my brain turns onand my feet turn on.
Yeah. And then I go. Yeah. Youknow? Yeah.
I don't I don't particularlyhave a lot of downtime even
though some you know, I alwaysthink if I wanted downtime,
would I really want downtime?

Danny (17:48):
Right.

Tyler (17:48):
Or would I just find something else to put in that
downtime? I think a day. I thinkI could lay in bed for a day.

Danny (17:54):
A

Tyler (17:54):
day. I think I could.

Danny (17:55):
A day. And that would be it. Right? Like Yeah. Totally
kinda convalesce and like yeah.

Tyler (18:01):
Veg on the yeah. Veg on the couch. Yeah. But I but I'll
tell you this, like you said, Ibet I bet if I was in bed, I
would be on my phone looking atstupid shit that I shouldn't be
looking at and like Yeah. I'd bemy brain would be trying to get
me to do something Yeah.
For me to go out and Yeah. Beproductive, and I'd be like

(18:22):
fighting that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Have you laid in bed for a day?I mean,

Danny (18:28):
yeah. A couple of times. Like, they feel there's been a
few times where I've like, Idon't feel like I've left the
house for a week.

Tyler (18:33):
Really? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Gosh.
What a crazy

Danny (18:38):
I don't I don't I don't particularly love it about
myself. I think some of it isself isolation. Right?

Tyler (18:43):
Yeah.

Danny (18:43):
I'm not I'm not saying that I I'm completely doing it
because I'm because I'm sick.I'm I'm doing it because of
whatever mental struggle I'm I'mgoing through. Because on top of
all of this, there's still thenormal life going on. Right? I'm
still having odd conversationsthree years later with my former

(19:06):
partner, I still have threechildren that need to be raised,
my daughter wants to buy a newcar.
Like, there's all of these otherstressors in in competing for my
attention. Mhmm. Anyways.

Tyler (19:16):
And the the attention just might not be there. No.

Danny (19:21):
Yeah. No.

Tyler (19:22):
Do you go, alright. Do do you have have you now since
Nick's passing, you set updifferent boundaries. Mhmm.
Since your divorce, you set updifferent boundaries. Mhmm.
And now with this thing thatjust happened where it's like,

(19:43):
this is now affected. This isTyler's mortality. Do you are
you improving those boundaries,setting sterner boundaries,
stronger boundaries? Yeah. It'sone thing Misty and I are really
working on right now is ourboundaries of, like, okay, what
can I take and what what will Inot take?
What will I not accept? Youknow? Yeah. You know, I've I've
said this before. My my mom andI have this, like, great

(20:05):
relationship, but then sometimeslike, I have to set some pretty
stern boundaries with her thatI'm not really good at with her.
You know? Mhmm. And I have toset those boundaries with her.
You know? My dad, I can setthese I can set, like, crazy
boundaries with my dad because Idon't have, like, a strong
relationship with him.
Yeah. And I feel like with eachrelationship, like, you kind of

(20:27):
your boundary can be a littlebit more elastic and some of
them have to be stern. Right?Mhmm. Do you notice that yours
are a little bit more sterner?

Danny (20:35):
I definitely have some areas where I'm not I'm not
having it. I won't, yeah, Iwon't respond. I am being kinda
maybe called up into myunderstanding of where my own
avoidance is as well at times.Yeah. And I think sometimes
avoidance is really obviously,to me, avoidance is what am I

(20:57):
really avoiding?
I'm avoiding conflict.

Tyler (20:59):
Sure.

Danny (20:59):
I'm avoiding conflict because I'm uncomfortable with
conflict or I don't like tofight or the way I thought would
learn to fight isn't fair. Forme, boundaries are kind of a
living document, if you will.Right? Like the term of I'm
constantly updating them, I'mconstantly changing them. But
for me, boundaries are reallyabout building bridges of

(21:20):
connection and not wallingpeople off.
I have some boundaries that wallpeople off, but that's not
necessarily they've they'veyou've you've probably had to do
something pretty bad to get tothat point. I have certain
conversations, like, are certaincertain topics that are not I
won't talk with I like, I won'ttalk with you if it's a

(21:41):
boundary. We we just won't talkabout a certain topic. My mom,
specifically. There are certainthings we won't we won't touch.

Tyler (21:48):
Sure. Well, it's probably best for the relationship.
That's the same thing with mymom is, like, it's best for the
relationship because, like yousaid, I'm not my my conflicts
tend to be I'm great or else,like, I'm okay losing the
relationship and Right. Mhmm. Imay I may pop off and say
something I shouldn't say.

Danny (22:07):
Right.

Tyler (22:08):
Like you said, like, that's probably why I don't know
if you're like, man, this iswhat I struggled with is, like,
I was never really taught how tothe bound I never really was
taught boundaries. Mm-mm. Imean, in my family, like, we all
knew each other's bullshit. Weall I mean, everybody talked
about each other's drama thatthey were going through, good,

(22:28):
bad, and different. Mhmm.
And so, like, that's kinda how Ishared my life. Like, you knew
everything about me, and it'sprobably not a good thing.

Danny (22:37):
Yeah. I'm I'm I'm similar. I'm a pretty open book.
Right? Yeah.
I'll share. I'm I'm kind of withyou. I think sharing your burden
is part of what it's like to getraised in a community, common
unity. Right? And when you'refamily, that is kind of blurred.
Right? A lot of times withfamily, our boundary lines are a

(22:57):
little bit more invisiblebecause we give them we put them
on a pedestal. That's mybrother, that's my sister,
that's my so and so.

Tyler (23:04):
It's okay if you say these things or it's okay if you
know these things. Yeah. Andit's okay if you talk about
these things or like I talkabout Misty's problems and Yeah.
My kids' problems and they knowall of their problems, it's okay
if you know that. You're notgonna use it against me.
Yeah. Then all of a suddensomebody uses it against you,
like,

Danny (23:19):
what the hell?

Tyler (23:19):
What the hell?

Danny (23:20):
Yeah.

Tyler (23:21):
You know? Because you're right. It's a community like,
you're using it as sharingburden, like Yeah. As a common
unity.

Danny (23:26):
Right.

Tyler (23:26):
Right?

Danny (23:27):
And I think in inside your house, have to determine,
like, what's okay, what's notokay. Right? Like, what is a
family what is an internalfamily problem versus what is a
problem that our our largercommunity at large should should
should help with,

Tyler (23:42):
if that Yeah. Makes

Danny (23:43):
I don't think anybody's taught boundaries. And I I think
like the good like a goodexample of that is, specifically
in like religion, and you'regonna hear me come back to a
religion a lot, but like, youknow, the concept of like God
always being he's omnipotent.Right? And so when we then

(24:07):
elevate people to be themouthpiece of God, we allow them
some of the the same omnipotencythat we would God. Right?
Meanwhile, though, we put God onthis pedestal as this perfect
being, yet he's got this flawedperson that's he's this acting
as his mouthpiece. And so it'shard to tell when Yeah. This

(24:28):
person's the being just being aperson and this person's
actually talking for God. Youknow, it's like like and so we
don't set up very goodboundaries of, like, when do we
allow people to tell us what todo, how to handle our bodies,
how to how to live our lives,how to I think it to me, it
starts with what are your nonnegotiable? What are the things

(24:49):
that are going to get you castoff the island indefinitely?
What are your non negotiables?

Tyler (24:53):
Yeah. I think that's a good place to start.

Danny (24:56):
What are sorry.

Tyler (24:57):
Go ahead. No. You go ahead.

Danny (24:58):
I was just gonna say, what are the things that are so
if they if done to you are sooffensive

Tyler (25:05):
that Yeah. That's it.

Danny (25:07):
That's it.

Tyler (25:08):
Yeah.

Danny (25:08):
I once slept with this woman who covered wagoned me. I
should have gotten up and gottenout of bed and left. Right then
and there.

Tyler (25:20):
What?

Danny (25:21):
Yeah. I didn't know I didn't know what it was. She's
like, hey, have you ever been ona covered wagon? And I was like,
no. What's that?
Freaking rips one and then pullsthe covers over our head. What
does it wow. Wow.

Tyler (25:35):
Classy. Damn. That's funny. Yeah. Yeah.
That would be a that would be athat would be a don't ever do
that. Yeah. That'd be a no.We're good. Yeah.
That's some funny shit. Damn.Yeah. That's never happened to
me. That's funny.

Danny (25:50):
Do you so here's another funny example. Do you do you
defecate? Do you poop? Do youfart in front of your partner?

Tyler (25:58):
No. No. No. I don't. I don't.
We talk about this all the time.Yeah. Basically, I talk about
this all the time. Yeah. That Iin in most cases, you know, I'm
a pretty, like like, I don't Idon't fart in front of a lot of
people, like, I don't, you know,I'm like it's not that I don't
it's not that I and probablypeople would think that I'm

(26:20):
pretty judgmental about some ofthose things, but, I don't.
I don't if I use the restroom, Imake sure I spray and I like
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, Idon't want it's a weird thing
that my yeah. I mean, I thinkthat was from when I was a kid.
Yeah. Yeah. You know, you're

Danny (26:33):
I've got a I've got a couple of friends. Their first
house happened to have toiletsthat faced each other. And they
would always joke that theywould poop while facing each
other and

Tyler (26:43):
it made their relationship stronger. That's
funny.

Danny (26:45):
And I'm like, I don't know. I don't I would never I
would never do that. I'd like tolive under this delusion that
women don't poop.

Tyler (26:50):
I know. That's the longest time, my kids I've I've
said this before my boys thoughtthat girls didn't fart because
they I told them that, no, theydidn't. Yeah. I had this friend
who, you know, their him and hissignificant other were did not
have a good relationship, andthe only time that I've ever

(27:12):
been around that person, Iwalked into the bathroom after
them and they had used therestroom and I was like, oh,
that's all I'm gonna rememberabout you is

Danny (27:20):
Yeah.

Tyler (27:20):
That I smelled your shit. Yeah. And I was like, I'm gonna
that I will judge you about thatfor the rest of your life. Yeah.
And to this day, that's the onlything I think about.
That's the only thing I thinkabout is yeah. It's it's like,
yep. Every time I see thatperson, all I think about is the
IQ You did not use a spray.Yeah. You know?

(27:41):
Yeah. Those simple just simpleboundaries like that. Just and
and, like like, how I fight withMisty is is definitely a
boundary. You know? Mhmm.
I I tell her, like, you youknow, we can't say we can we
don't call each other names. Wedon't call each

Danny (27:56):
other names.

Tyler (27:57):
You know? I don't call you a name. That's I don't call
you. I don't say to you, you arethis or you are being this Yeah.
With a swear word.
I don't Yeah. Not talk that likethat to her because I think,
like, it's not a way to fightwith your Right. Spouse. I also
don't fight in front of my boys.Not that they've not seen me and

(28:21):
Misty argue.
Mhmm. They've definitely seen meand Misty argue. They've seen
when Misty and I are are kind ofpicking at each other and
nipping at each other. And forme, I have two dipshit kids
that'll be like, hey, don't talkto my mom like that. Yeah.
You know, they'll say shit likethat. Like, hey, hey, don't talk
to my mom like that. Yeah. Youknow? And and I'll be like, I'll
talk to your mom however I want.

(28:41):
They're like, no, you won't.Yeah. But For I like like, fight
fight fight. No. We don't fightin front of our boys.
Yeah. That's good. And not thatI don't want them to know how to
fight. I I want them to know howto fight.

Danny (28:53):
Right.

Tyler (28:53):
But I also don't want them to have to deal with the
fact that their mom and I are,like, you know, getting after
each other or, like like reallynot happy with each other.

Danny (29:02):
Yeah. Yeah. I I certainly understand that. Like, I grew up
I grew up in a very conflictavoidant family, I think,
specifically my mom. And I'mgonna be careful because I know
that I don't know.
I don't know if she's listeningto the podcast these days or
not. But, you know, I I know howher and I fight and it's not

(29:23):
pretty, it's not nice, it's notkind. Interestingly enough, you
say the the you don't call eachother names. The Gottman
Institute. Do you know theGottman?
They're a couple of familytherapists and husband and wife.
They are like the, I don't know,they probably are probably one
of the leading experts on onrelationships. They kind of

(29:45):
created a list of of of itemsthat successful couples do, like
things that successful couplesdo or leading indicators of
divorce. And the number oneleading indicator of divorce was
attacking your partner'scredibility. That's not the

(30:09):
word.
Word I'm looking for isassassinating their character.
Character. Yeah. Assassinatingtheir character. So by calling
somebody that and I'm I wasterrible about that.
Like, I until I got into therapyand realized how often I was
personalizing things and notrealizing that everything coming

(30:29):
out of whomever I'm arguing withtheir mouth at that time is
literally just a projection, Iwould I would just personalize
it. I'd eat

Tyler (30:37):
it up. I eat it up and

Danny (30:39):
it would it would kill me and I'd be hurt. And so I'd hurt
that person back. And so Iwouldn't fight fair. Yeah. I
wouldn't fight fair.

Tyler (30:45):
Yeah. I mean, you know, your let's say your your wife
shares or you're assuming, oh,this shares shares something
that really, like, affected themas a child and you use that in a
fight. Mhmm. You know, you usethat or, like, later on in life,
and you use that in a fight. Youknow?
Those are yeah. The the way nowthat being said, I also am

(31:12):
learning how to like, if you doif you if you if you do
something that I don't like andI don't feel comfortable telling
you, I am I am now starting toremove myself from those
situations now.

Danny (31:32):
Oh, yeah.

Tyler (31:32):
I'm not know, I don't have to tell you every time what
you've done wrong, or I don'thave to talk to you every time
about this bothered me. But ifwe have a friendship, we have a
relationship and you andsomething has gone wrong or
something is going not the waythat I like it, I am now
learning how to remove myselffrom these situations, which is

(31:54):
fucking hard for a man who grewup with a woman and not a father
figure because all you wanna dois please. All you want to do is
please. You go, oh, I'm willingto put up with anything to make
you happy. Mhmm.
Right? And I'm, you know, it itit it's it's a struggle every

(32:17):
day. It's a struggle every daythat I'm going through with,
like, learning to be like, okay.I don't like that. You know?
I don't have to tell you I don'tlike it, and I and I don't have
to be, like, ruminate on itYeah. Even though I ruminate
like a motherfucker on it. Mhmm.I can just start I'm starting to
learn how to be, like, no. I'mgonna go ahead and just remove
myself from these situationsMhmm.

(32:38):
And not going to be as availableas I once was. Yeah. Yeah. And
and and whether you know or not,I don't also have to wonder if
you know or not. Yeah.
I know. I'm not as available asI once was. Right. You

Danny (32:53):
know? And I I think it's on the person too. If they see
you pulling back, right, likecall it out. Hey, have I done
something? Yes.
Right?

Tyler (33:02):
And if they don't, guess what? The relationship didn't
really matter anyways.

Danny (33:05):
Yeah. Yeah. Right? I'm gonna make take the person,
like, not everybody is thatemotionally intelligent.

Tyler (33:09):
I agree.

Danny (33:09):
Right? Like, you can cut some people some slack. If it's
repeated behavior, you know whatI mean? Like, fool me once,
shame on me. Fool me twice,what's the saying?
Fool me twice. Yeah. Shame on meagain.

Tyler (33:20):
Yeah. Shame on Yeah.

Danny (33:22):
You ain't gonna fool me a three time third time.

Tyler (33:24):
Suckers. Suckers. Yeah. I think, like, you're right.
You're not taught boundaries,but we can we can help each
other with boundaries.
You know? You know, one thingthat that that we've worked a
lot with is is boundaries withpeople inside of our community.

(33:45):
Mhmm. Boundaries with them.Right?
Like, creating some boundariesof, like, you you can you can
you can ask me whatever youwanna ask. But if it's to ask me
about my friend's character orwhat my friend is doing, you
can't ask me that. Mhmm. You youcan't do that. Like, we may have
some relationships of eachother's people that were like

(34:07):
Yeah.
No. No. No. You can't do that.That's not fair to that person,
like you said, because the firstthing that you're trying to do
is make me question theircharacter, and now a sub
person's character is is whatthey can stand on their laurels.
Yeah. Right? It will and

Danny (34:22):
it becomes a triangulated attack. Right? Why am I why am I
going to that person? Am Itrying to am I trying to get you
on my side? Yeah.
Am I trying to get you on myside so you'll you'll help me? I
I think honestly our brains isis mammals, they're awesome, but
sometimes they just really getin the way.

Tyler (34:39):
I think so too.

Danny (34:40):
Right? Like, we're too smart sometimes. Yeah. Yeah.
Maybe not me.
No. But there's the populationin a whole. There's some as

Tyler (34:48):
a whole.

Danny (34:49):
There's somebody there's somebody

Tyler (34:50):
For sure. Right?

Danny (34:51):
There's somebody out there that's that's at least got
me to question some things. So

Tyler (34:55):
Yeah. We've talked about it before where, like, let's say
somebody does assassinate yourcharacter. You literally can
have a conversation with thatperson in your brain about how
things could go, would go, howthey should go. You're the
person, and the person's noteven there. You're literally
having the conversation for themRight.
And answering all the thingsthat's going back and forth.
You're playing table tennisYeah. With your own self Yep.

(35:18):
And you're answering as theperson Yeah. Which is the
craziest thing as humans becausewe're so evolved in our brain.
Yeah. Yeah. That's what I hateabout rumination. Oh, it's the
worst. Rumination is is one ofthose things where you're just
like, is it something that youcould turn off?
Do you know somebody personallythat's that doesn't ruminate?

Danny (35:36):
I don't know anyone. I'm I'm terrible at ruminating. I
take that back. I think I know acouple people that don't
ruminate. One of them, I don'tknow if that's a feature of
benefit.
Yeah. Right? They just don'tthink about what they do in in

(35:57):
general. So

Tyler (35:59):
Yeah. I know I know of a person too that Yeah. That in my
opinion doesn't ruminate thatmuch. Maybe in in in emotional
things doesn't but he prob theyprobably ruminate in other
things like, you know, job andcareer

Danny (36:14):
and things. Yeah.

Tyler (36:17):
And even when you do you know anybody that has a good
grasp on boundaries?

Danny (36:26):
No. Because I think to say a good grasp on boundaries
would be to say that they're,like, universal and that
they're, like we have somemorays. Right? Some things that
are we do because we live insociety, but I don't know that
boundaries is one of thosethings that's universal.

Tyler (36:44):
Yeah. I agree.

Danny (36:45):
I think boundaries are set up to protect our own to
protect ourselves. Right? Sothey're a function of they're
kind of a function of the ego.Sure. There it's it's it's a you
know, we set up boundaries toprotect ourselves, to build,
like I said, build thosebridges.

Tyler (37:05):
Yeah. Yeah. I I I don't I know people I know people that
are working on their boundariesas well as myself, and I I know
some people that have but I feellike they have okay boundaries,
you know, that they don't thatthey are okay saying no. Mhmm.
Which is one of those thingswhere, like, me personally, it
is the thing that I'm working onthem the hardest is to say no.

(37:28):
Oh, yeah. Like, if I don't wannado it and I'm not, like,
comfortable doing it, I want tolearn to say no gracefully and
without zero worry of whatyou're going to think now Yeah.
Going forward. I think that'swhere I'd ruminate the most is
if I say no or if I don't Idon't knock every every pitch

(37:53):
thrown at me out of the park,then I ruminate. Oh

Danny (37:55):
my gosh.

Tyler (37:56):
That fuck up.

Danny (37:57):
It's a little level of perfectionism there. I'm I'm I'm
similar. Yeah. I'm similar. It'sinteresting.
I just finished Rob Lowe's book,The Stories I Only Tell My
Friends, and he talks about thattoo. Growing up as a child
actor, his mom was kind ofinteresting. She must have had
some things going on because shehad some some mental things, but

(38:19):
like, he didn't really haveanyone there to kind of help
negotiate stuff that people wereasking him to do. Right? So he
would answer end up answeringquestions that somebody at 19,
18, does a new movie star, newtelevision star shouldn't
answer.
He was taking pictures, youknow, doing things, agreeing to
things that he just because hewanted to be he wanted to be in

(38:41):
the business. He wanted to breakinto the business. Right. But he
he admits to being a peoplepleaser, you know, and just and
just wanting it. And he's like,yeah, it took me years to figure
out how to say no Yeah.
And Yeah. Have advocate formyself. And I'm yeah.

Tyler (38:56):
I like to I like I I need to read that book because I
definitely think I'm a peoplepleaser. Yeah. I definitely
think I am. And I think I'm I'mlearning. I'm getting better,
you know.
And and and what I don't wantwhat I see with my boys is
they're both the same way. Theyboth are Yeah. People pleasers.
I've been trying to work onharder about giving better
advice to not be a peoplepleaser. But, today, I was
giving shits and advice, and Icould hear, like, why are you

(39:19):
saying this to him?
And then I changed my tone andchanged what I thought, and I
was like, you know what?Actually, this is how I would do
it. And I changed my route.Mhmm. And so, yeah.
And I don't want I think thatthere's some good and some bad
parts about, you know, being apeople pleaser.

Danny (39:39):
Oh, yeah.

Tyler (39:39):
But a lot of times is that your boundaries do get
crossed a little too many timeswhen you're a people pleaser.
Yeah. And that's one thing thatI thought is like, no. Let's set
some hard and fast boundariesand then don't don't falter from
them.

Danny (39:57):
Yeah. You know? And I

Tyler (39:58):
think, like, especially for you with your health, like,
you got you've got to set someboundaries

Danny (40:02):
with people.

Tyler (40:03):
Yeah. Yeah. You know, with stings. Like, no, I don't
want to deal with that. No.
Like, yesterday, I kept tryingto get you to go in the sun and
you were like, I'm good. I'mgood. I was like, yeah, you
wanna sit there for a minute?You're like, no. I'm good.
No. I'm good. I know that I'mgonna get crispy like a bacon.
That's what he kept saying.

Danny (40:19):
It doesn't it doesn't even tan. It just turns red.
It's like a white albino rat.You know, they're like all pink
and kinda gross.

Tyler (40:27):
Yeah.

Danny (40:27):
Yeah. It's like that.

Tyler (40:28):
Yeah. Boundaries, yeah, I think that's a good thing that I
think that just the start ofthem is is important.

Danny (40:36):
So Where do you where do you start? Where do you start
with boundaries?

Tyler (40:40):
I think with boundaries, you start what you're willing to
accept and what you're notwilling to accept, and then
build on top of both of them.Yeah. And then if it makes you
feel icky Mhmm. That's aboundary. It's been crossed.
If it makes you feel like, Idon't like this. I'm not having
fun, then okay. Maybe the firsttime, okay. Cool. The second

(41:01):
time, maybe the time to say no.
Every once in a while, say noand be like, you know what? No.
No. I'm okay. Thank you for theoffer.
Thank you for thank you forthinking of me. Thank you for
everything that you've done, butno. I'm you know, I think I
would be I think I'm okay now.Yeah. But personally, that's how
I am starting is just beingstill grateful and gracious and
kind because I I value thosethings about myself.

(41:26):
And if they've been pushed toomany times, then I'm also okay
going, I've told you no. Yeah.Yeah. I've said no. Should we
talk a little bit about

Danny (41:36):
I want to close I wanna wrap. Like, any other anything
else on boundaries that we do?

Tyler (41:40):
Check that out, dude.

Danny (41:42):
Had an amazing we had an amazing day yesterday.

Tyler (41:45):
Yeah. Look at that. That's crazy. Sup fest.

Danny (41:48):
Yeah. If you're if you're just listening, you're not
seeing Danny's t shirt.

Tyler (41:51):
I'm gonna post this on the I'll post this on social
media. Yeah. Yeah. I haven'tbeen doing very much social
media.

Danny (41:56):
I have not been creating.

Tyler (41:57):
On my on I've committed to only only doing social media
for my bus only for my bus. Onlyfor my anything that my bus is
involved. If it's not my businvolved, I've kind of been
like, no. I'm kinda good.

Danny (42:10):
It's I'm I'm consuming personally, I'm consuming so
much that it's killed anycreativity that I have.

Tyler (42:16):
Oh, yeah.

Danny (42:16):
I'm with you. Like, I've

Tyler (42:19):
I've Yeah. Podcast, bus Yeah. Anything like that?

Danny (42:22):
Great. I'm hitting the restart button this this summer,
this fall. It's gonna be we'regonna be changing.

Tyler (42:27):
Turn this up.

Danny (42:28):
But Park City sup, this is the second year I've I've
attended. Okay. Incredible. It'ssuch a cool event. It's such a
cool event.

Tyler (42:36):
Last year, we went.

Danny (42:37):
Why isn't it like, why how do we get this thing to be
bigger? How do we make itbigger?

Tyler (42:42):
That was triple the size this year.

Danny (42:44):
It

Tyler (42:45):
was. Triple the size, triple the competitors. Trent,
Hickman, Carla, Derek, Abby,their little family put this
together. They got sponsors.Pickles.

Danny (42:56):
Pickles, the dog, was the hero of the show.

Tyler (42:58):
We we got there. Uh-huh. Matt and I picked you up Uh-huh.
At 07:30. We or seven ish.
We got there at 07:30. We gotright on there, and Trent was in
full on Yep. Panic mode. Yep.You know, the park rangers were
not being cool.
He had been doing this for tenyears. He said that the park
ranger is not being cool. He'skind of, like, not telling him

(43:20):
some shit the day of.

Danny (43:21):
And, dude, that park ranger yesterday, we got there
and he was like, what a goodexample of an hourly mall cop,
like, just trying to flex.

Tyler (43:31):
He had a little bit of power.

Danny (43:32):
Yeah. He had his he had his $12.99 DNR hourly wage and
his DNR shirt and his key tounlock things. I know. He just
he wanted to be powerful.

Tyler (43:45):
He was he he definitely had this, I have control, you
don't. I'm going to flex on you.And when he was like, can I
talk? Can I talk?

Danny (43:56):
Yeah. I had to walk away.

Tyler (43:56):
I was like

Danny (43:57):
I had to walk away.

Tyler (43:58):
This is the this is the customer, dude. Yeah. Who what
what in what world do you liveon that that's the way we the
way that you treat yourcustomer?

Danny (44:09):
Yeah. I had I had to walk away.

Tyler (44:10):
This person is about to make your state park, one, have
a lot of people show up, twoRight. For an excellently run
dude. Right. Just Trent runningthat event with his little tiny
staff, and he's got a businessat Deer Valley that he's
running. He has all these thingsgoing on.
Just this little tiny he ranthat event smoothly.

Danny (44:34):
Oh, it was awesome.

Tyler (44:34):
The races ran smoothly. Everything ran smoothly with his
little tiny group, and thislittle shit is talk yeah. No.
Stop. Stop.
Let me talk.

Danny (44:43):
Can I talk now? Can I talk now?

Tyler (44:44):
Yeah. What in the world? Yeah. No. You can't talk.
Unlock the damn tables. Yeah.You shithead. Yeah. Races.
I did the race.

Danny (44:55):
There was three races. K. A kid's race. K. That was one
lap.
Right? And you were saying thatthe each lap was

Tyler (45:01):
Just about over a half a mile.

Danny (45:03):
Just about a half a mile. A little over half a mile. And
then the second race was twolaps.

Tyler (45:08):
Yep.

Danny (45:09):
And then the big race, the big kid race, which is one
you did

Tyler (45:13):
Four laps.

Danny (45:13):
Four laps for a total of

Tyler (45:16):
It's about just over two and a half maybe just under two
and a half miles

Danny (45:20):
Two and half miles.

Tyler (45:20):
Of paddle boarding. Mhmm. What was your thoughts on, like,
just the pavilion, the way theyset up? This year, he had I
think he had a a somebody set upthe music for them, and they
just came in there and ran themusic. Right?

Danny (45:36):
Dude, that was that was awesome. Again, I will my only
critique, start the musicearlier. Yeah. Let them play.
They can start.
Like, I don't know. I I feltbad. I wanted to stay for the
reggae bands. I just did nothave the gas in the tank.

Tyler (45:51):
Yeah.

Danny (45:51):
And they sounded so good.

Tyler (45:53):
They were good.

Danny (45:54):
They sounded so good. The two songs that I and the warm up
that I heard them, like But

Tyler (45:58):
you didn't you didn't get any of this music.

Danny (45:59):
I I listened to the first two songs and then I left.

Tyler (46:02):
Dude, these guys yeah. Let's the race. So let's talk
about the race in itself. Yeah.You and Matt helped them set up
the arch.
They'd already had us set up thethe course. We moved the tables.
We set we we luckily, Trent hadus because we did set we we set
we'll help set up.

Danny (46:23):
And he he sent me a text message thanking me last night.
I'm like, I didn't do all that.Like, I'm grateful that I got
the invite. Like, I'd

Tyler (46:31):
You were good to your support. No. You did. You helped
move the table.

Danny (46:34):
Mean Yeah. Yeah.

Tyler (46:34):
I mean We we did a lot of we we helped them a bunch of We
ran back and forth. The courseitself so Trent says, hey.
There's your board. I was up inthe fence about if I was going
to actually race or not. Wedidn't get home from the rodeo
till late.
Mhmm. And I didn't sleep verywell. I woke up, and I was like,

(46:55):
oh, I thought, do I really wannarace? Do I really wanna race?
And we picked you guys up.
And by the time I picked you,me, and Matt, by the time we
drove to got on Jordan L, I waspretty excited for the event at
that point besides the fact thatthey wouldn't let the guy was
being a jerk. And where wherewhere we ended up putting the
bus was really awesome, and andour and then we set the bus up

(47:17):
like we normally do. We we putall the aesthetics up. We put
the coolers out. We hadeverything showing the way that
it was supposed to be, ourlittle group of people.
And just so you know, like,everybody kept coming up to us
and going, I love your setup.Love where you why how did you
guys get this spot? And here weyou know, Tyler and I and our
families and Nick and his familyand we're just all hanging out.

(47:41):
And, of course, you know,there's some envy, you know, and
you don't wanna be, like, takeaway from anything because you
want the spotlight to be the thethe bands in the party. Yeah.
But of I mean, like, no peoplecoming over, taking pictures in
the bus and touring the bus and,you know, just walking all over
everything. It was great. It wasit was so fun. As soon as I was

(48:02):
like, okay. I'm gonna do therace.
He's like, there's yourpaddleboard. Go take it out. Try
it. It's a race board, and I'mout there, I'm like, I'm gonna
die. There's no way I cancontrol this board.
I'm used to a big fatpaddleboard. And the whole I
ended up using a bit bigger of aboard. It was a lot to do. Yeah.

(48:22):
The weather and the conditionswere choppy, but you had to go
out around and make these twobig turns, these two big corner
turns.
Those were the hardest. Thosewere really hard. It was like
trying to paddle, backstroke,get your board turned around. Oh
my gosh. The second lap,honestly, Tyler, on my third

(48:45):
lap, was like, I think I wannabe done.
And then I'd get to around thecorner and Misty and my sister
and her friends would be like,ringing the bears and bells. I
could hear Trent. Come on,Danny. Just a little bit longer.
Come on, Danny.
You got this. And I was like,alright. I can finish. It was
one of the hardest things I'vedone. Oh, yeah.

(49:07):
My shoulders, my back, my legswere so sore. I ended up
finishing in thirty two minutes,and I think right about sixth,
maybe sixth. I I don't know howthose guys finish faster than
that. It was it was hard. And itgives you a lot of I was talking
to some of the othercompetitors, and they were like,

(49:27):
that was a lot harder than Ithought.
And it also gives you some in mymind, I was like, man, I kinda
wanna go because you can dopaddleboard from one end of the
lake to the other end of thelake and then back. And there
are people that do the wholeshoreline and stuff, and that
would be a big day. Right? It itdefinitely gives you some idea

(49:47):
that, like, it's it's definitelya workout. I mean, my legs, my
my you know what's really weirdis my hands are really sore and
my feet, my toes are really sorebecause you're constantly Yeah.
Breaking the board and, likeYeah.

Danny (50:00):
Hadn't thought about that.

Tyler (50:01):
And I was like, my my toes are cramping a little bit.

Danny (50:05):
I hadn't thought about that. Yeah. You're probably
right.

Tyler (50:08):
Yeah. And and I I would say there's probably about 50
competitors easily. Right?

Danny (50:12):
Mhmm.

Tyler (50:13):
Last year, I think there were, like, 15. It was insane.

Danny (50:17):
You know?

Tyler (50:17):
And then then the band set up. Yeah. You know?
Professor's band played, HailMary. Shout out to them.
They sounded great. Reggae bandis Smiling Souls Reggae.

Danny (50:30):
Mhmm.

Tyler (50:31):
They covered stick figure. They covered Bob Marley.
They definitely were allcovered. They might have had a
couple of songs that were Imean, professor's band, all
original songs, one cover.Reggae band, mostly covers, but
these big, huge poly guys, andthey were awesome.
You know, I talked to them acouple of times. Everybody from

(50:52):
the academy was there, lots oftrans friends, lots of people
from you know, it's so funnybecause you you all you know,
from the community, you know, somany people from around, you
know. And so it was great. Youguys ended up you the kids came
with you.

Danny (51:08):
Yep. Yeah. I I you you know, Trump put out the call and
he just said, hey, I'd love foryou to come down and and and
hang out and watch it. And Ikind of just spaced the date. I
forgot.
I wouldn't have that's just mybrain. Right? My brain these
days. Yeah. But yeah, I'm soglad I did it.
It's always such a good time.It's the place is so busy. It's

(51:34):
busy. It's so busy.

Tyler (51:35):
There's so many people there.

Danny (51:37):
So many people on paddleboards. Like, I felt like
I felt like the park could havedone more to help him. Like,
didn't really they don't reallyit's like they didn't really
care. And maybe that's it. Maybethey don't.
Maybe it's because they're $20an hour employees, they don't
And

Tyler (51:56):
and his 40 people don't really account for the fact of
the 50,000 But people over

Danny (52:04):
his 40 people could have been, you know what I mean?
Like, could have been a lot morewith a little bit of help from
from the staff there. Thinkabout all the people showing up,
they could've could'veparticipated in a cool audible
race.

Tyler (52:16):
I think that's part of the government right now. Yeah.
They just don't give a shit.

Danny (52:19):
They just don't give a shit.

Tyler (52:21):
So he did a raffle.

Danny (52:23):
He did a raffle. Lots of cool hats, prizes. Did you win
anything?

Tyler (52:28):
I sure did. I've been telling him. He put up there
that he was gonna be a Pacificopaddle board giving The the you
could win Pacifico. Pacifico,which by the way, you guys know
Tyler and I, we love Pacifico.If Pacifico would ever love to
sponsor us, we would take thatsponsorship.

(52:50):
We'll we'll drink beer at mybus. We'll drink beer anywhere.
We'll we'll we can Tyler and Ican guarantee the rest of our
lives, for the rest of timewe're drinking beer, that we'll
only drink Pacifico. I canguarantee that.

Danny (53:01):
Yeah. I I think as a a regular kinda go to, I'm kind of
the same way. I don't I enjoyeverything. I

Tyler (53:08):
You're from Denver. You guys are snobs.

Danny (53:11):
We

Tyler (53:11):
These Colorado people, they are snobs about beer. I've
been to Colorado. I get it. Youguys are snobby about beer.

Danny (53:19):
That no. It's not that's just to say that I have a wide
variety of tastes when it comesto beer. I would never, under
any circumstances, drink anysort of IPA yesterday in the
sun. Like, people chugging atCoors or chugging a Natty Light.
I'm like, gross.
Gross. I will drink a Pacifico.

Tyler (53:41):
I

Danny (53:41):
know. I'll drink a Corona.

Tyler (53:42):
Good. Yeah. Nothing else?

Danny (53:45):
I mean, no. No. I mean, I'll I'll I'll drink like the
nicer IPAs, like the more butthat's like a I'm going to have
something to try for theexperience the experience

Tyler (53:55):
a little bit. Yeah.

Danny (53:57):
So you got a fucking paddleboard.

Tyler (54:00):
I won the Pacifico paddleboard. I'll put a picture
up. It's on my it's on ourInstagram. It's on Trent. So
what ended up happening was iswe get to the paddleboard, and
he says, k.
You need to be present to win itbecause I wanna take a picture.
But if you're not here becauseeverywhere else everything else,
they were like, hey. We'll setthat aside. We'll give it to him
because I'll see you. But hesaid, for the paddleboard, you

(54:23):
have to be here.
And I was like, Trent, that isgoing home with me. Just all the
way up to yesterday, he's like,Danny's been talking about this
since I put it out there. He'sgonna win this thing. Pulls the
first name, blah blah blah, nothere. Pulls the second name, not
here.
Third, fourth, fifth, not here.And each time I was like, I'm so
One

Danny (54:42):
name closer. And

Tyler (54:43):
he pulls and he goes, oh, I cannot believe this happened.
He goes, of course of course,this is not a joke. Danny. Danny
wins in, you know, the reggaeband was going, and everybody
cheered. I went up there, andhim and I took a picture, and I
was like, I knew I was goinghome with that thing.
I manifested it. It was it wasso fun. It was such a good time.

(55:07):
The day the day was great. Allof our friends and family there,
everybody being hanging out.
Trent, Carla, shout out.

Danny (55:15):
Amazing. Amazing event. You too.

Tyler (55:16):
Go see them at Park City Sup in, at Deer Valley. You can
go there, trips there, couple ofthe kids there. They always have
paddleboards available. Theyhave lots of stuff. The beach,
the food, the vibe up there isamazing.
It's pretty cool. I would loveto support them as much as

(55:37):
possible. Yeah. You know, maybenext year, Lost Boy Scouts
podcast will will sponsorsomething for them because Yeah.
I'd like to see it grow, likeTyler said.
I would like to see so many morepeople out there. I'd like to
see that thing grow to whateverheight he can get.

Danny (55:53):
Honestly, with with as many people that were out there
with paddleboards, there'sthere's no reason it shouldn't.

Tyler (55:57):
No reason.

Danny (55:58):
Like, it it I mean, sorry, Danny. I don't mean to
put you on the spot. It's likeyou're paddleboarding every day.
You know what I mean?

Tyler (56:03):
Like Oh, yeah. You're right.

Danny (56:04):
You could have an open class. People just bring their
paddle boards, like and thisisn't they just did such a good
job.

Tyler (56:12):
I just

Danny (56:12):
wanna see it grow. Like, I'm just such fans that I'm
like, I want this for them too.

Tyler (56:15):
And and just their vibe, just the way that they are as
people, you you wanna be aroundthem more, you wanna hang out
with them more. Carla isamazing. Yeah. She's amazing,
you know, and and so big shoutout to them. Thank you for thank
you for having us out there.
Thank you for letting us put thebus there, and hopefully, we can
continue to grow therelationship and grow our brands

(56:37):
together and and keep going. SoPark City sup. And I always used
to say that wrong. I would saysoup, but it's not soup. It's
stand up.
So Park City sup.

Danny (56:49):
That's what you're like. Sup?

Tyler (56:50):
Sup.

Danny (56:51):
No. I'm paddle boarding. Yeah. That's what I mean. Sup.

Tyler (56:54):
Yeah. So I appreciate you. Yeah. I've gotta go to
work.

Danny (56:58):
Yeah. Let's cut it there. Hey. Thank you for putting up
with our erratic schedule.That's on me.
We'll get better. We'll only getbetter.

Tyler (57:05):
Yeah. The mic is Two episodes coming out. That's
still that we can get peoplegoing. Yeah. Get things going.
Yeah. Got lots more content totalk about.

Danny (57:11):
We just gotta get it's again, it's getting back into
that routine. It's the the tinyshit that is routinized that
that falls apart. So thank youDanny for making time.

Tyler (57:19):
Appreciate it.

Danny (57:20):
Love you, brother. Appreciate you. Thank you for
picking me up.

Tyler (57:22):
See you guys. Cheers.