Dangerous or Diminished

In this powerful episode of The Lost Boy Scouts Podcast, Tyler and Danny dive deep into the complexities of aging as men and explore what it means to remain "dangerous" as we get older. Inspired by a poignant quote from Act of Valor, the hosts discuss the sacred nature of living by a code, the role of masculinity as it evolves, and the tension between relevance and wisdom. Along the way, they break down the recent Tyson vs. Jake Paul fight and whether it was staged, touching on age, athleticism, and legacy.

This episode blends humor, heartfelt reflection, and honest insights into the struggles and triumphs of getting older, staying relevant, and passing on wisdom to the next generation.

What You’ll Hear in This Episode:

The Sacred Badge of Danger:

The Act of Valor quote and its resonance with modern manhood.
Why being “dangerous” is a sacred concept and how it evolves with age.
Breaking Down the Tyson vs. Jake Paul Fight:

Was the fight staged, and how did age play a role?
The intersection of spectacle, legacy, and athleticism.
What this fight says about manufactured vs. authentic danger.
The Evolution of Masculinity:

How men adapt to physical decline with age and transform danger into wisdom.
Living by a code and passing it on to younger generations.
The balance between resilience and acceptance in aging.
The Importance of Tribe and Mentorship:

Finding your tribe of like-minded men who inspire growth.
The role of mentors in shaping young men and fostering a sense of purpose.
Personal Stories and Reflection:

Danny’s insights from coaching wrestling and the lessons of resilience.
Tyler’s solo trip to Moab and Durango and how reconnecting with nature-inspired introspection.

Episode Transcript

Tyler (00:07):
Alright. Welcome to the lost boy scouts podcast. Another
episode.

Danny (00:11):
In the in back in the vault, back in the the back in
the lab? Back in the lab.

Tyler (00:16):
Yeah. Episode 41.

Danny (00:17):
That's insane.

Tyler (00:18):
Let me just keep tracking along.

Danny (00:20):
41. The other day, I was listening to a podcast, and it
was interesting because the thehost was talking about some of
the things that you and I hadcovered before. And I thought to
myself how, cool it was thatthere's other people talking,
you know Yeah. About what wetalk about. Yeah.

(00:41):
You know? I'm never a type ofperson to feel jealous about
anybody. I always think, like,stoked for for the guys. You
know? I'm I've always been a guythat's, like, push to to get
more people to see the benefitsof what you and I are talking
about.
Right?

Tyler (00:56):
I think, yeah, when it comes to our message
specifically around men's mentalhealth, right, you tend to find
your your tribe. Right? Like,the way I say things, like,
there's a couple guys that Iknow on Instagram that talk what
we talk about. Yeah. And then,absolutely, I just wanna invite
them to the gym and bump this tothem.

Danny (01:13):
Does he they this guy was even talking about how toxic
male personalities have,damaged, certain male
characteristics.

Tyler (01:22):
Yeah.

Danny (01:23):
Toxic male personalities that I'm thinking, do some
people think, like, you know,some of our characteristics
could be toxic. Right?

Tyler (01:31):
Right.

Danny (01:31):
I mean, you know, we we practice combat art. Yep. You
know? And I, come come from a aworld of fighting.

Tyler (01:43):
Yeah.

Danny (01:43):
You know, I fought a lot when I was younger, and I've
talked about that. And I wonder,like, if some of my traits are
toxic because I'm thinking, youknow, I I know who I consider
toxic. You know? I know there'speople out there that I'm like,
I would never want to be likeyou

Tyler (01:58):
Right.

Danny (01:58):
Ever. You know? Yeah. Like, I could you imagine me
with, like, all these hugemuscles and,

Tyler (02:04):
like, pains everywhere?

Danny (02:05):
Right. It's, like, just weird to me.

Tyler (02:07):
Yeah. Yeah. Abs absolutely. I I think so I think
there's a there's purpose tohearing different verses. People
different stories.

Danny (02:14):
Yeah.

Tyler (02:15):
You know, that I don't vibe with the way they say it.
That doesn't mean I don't wantthem to say it.

Danny (02:19):
Yeah.

Tyler (02:19):
Right?

Danny (02:20):
Yeah. It seems like a lot has happened since our last
episode. We kind of Yeah. Thingshave kind of, you know, full
ramp for me in wrestling. Yes.
Do you know, they announcedTristan and I as Nice.
Congratulations. Thank you. Weare the, head coaches for Park
City Wrestling. That's a hugething for me.
Yeah. People always ask me, howdo you feel about that? You

(02:41):
know? Yeah. What what's yourtake on that?
And I love coaching wrestling.

Tyler (02:45):
It's so rewarding. It's so rewarding. It's single
handedly probably one of themost frustrating things you can

Danny (02:52):
For sure.

Tyler (02:52):
You can do as well as, like, the most rewarding.
Because you're, like, you'rejust so responsible for the the
molding of these young people.And, like, it's so easy to feel
their hype and feel their stokeand congratulations to you and
Tripp. Like, awesome. It'sawesome to grow a program.
Do you have any fun stories forus yet, or are you just getting
ramped up?

Danny (03:12):
Oh, dude. So yeah. So I was telling Tyler, my day today
was kind of rough, but my thefirst time I went to practice
during the spring, I was tryingto think about these brand new
kids and how I could show themsome games. And I always
remember, like, I've I've beenon the receiving ends, and I've
been at practice when a kid hasbeen hurt during a game.

Tyler (03:32):
Oh, geez. And you

Danny (03:32):
hate that. You're like, during a game, we haven't even
started wrestling yet. Yeah.Nope. We wanna get the bodies
going.
We wanna warm up. So a lot oftimes in wrestling rooms, you
you play games, and I was like,okay. I'm gonna put so many
rules on these kids so theydon't get hurt. 1st practice and
kid breaks his ankle during thegame. Oh.
Like, within the first twominutes of the game. I mean, he

(03:53):
was being a knucklehead, andthat sucks. Today, one of our
girls who is a monster I'vecoached her in jiu jitsu. I've
taught her in jiu jitsu. She isshe is nice until she's not, and
then she's not.
Yeah. She's not at all. And shehas a jiu jitsu background, so
she has combat combat mentality.Yeah. You give me energy that I

(04:16):
do not like, I'm going torespond accordingly.
And she tossed this kid on hishead, and he broke his
collarbone today.

Tyler (04:22):
And that's why you learn how to break fall.

Danny (04:24):
Dude.

Tyler (04:25):
I mean, that's something you should teach the wrestlers.
Maybe tomorrow. Tomorrow, we'regonna do break falls.

Danny (04:29):
Oh, dude. I was so flustered, Tyler. I was like, of
all things, they just announcedus as head coaches. It's my
first practice Yeah. As theofficial head coach and get gets
tossed on his head and breakshis collarbone with a person
that I knew would had theability, but she also has the
ability to, like, be so kind tonew people.
And I told her today, I talkedto her, and I was like, hey. I'm

(04:52):
sure he gave you some energythat you just did not like
Right. And you actedaccordingly. And I don't want
her to I don't wanna stop that,with our with our topic today.

Tyler (05:02):
Yeah. But did he sign the waiver is the question.

Danny (05:04):
He did. And, you know, like, I mean, here's the other
thing is, like, you know, youngmen today, you know, I mean, for
the longest time, girls wrestledwith boys. Yeah. You practice
with boys. And so our program issmall, so the girls practice
with the boys.
And And I'll look over everyonce in a while, and those girls
are giving those boys thebusiness. They're giving them

(05:26):
the business. Right. And I'lllook over every once in a while,
and those girls have ran into aboy that is not putting up with
it. And I'm thinking, gosh.
What a crazy thing because inmost, in a lot of rooms, girls
only practice with girls. Yeah.Boys only practice with boys.
Yeah. Because the girls'wrestling has grown so much.
And yeah, like, so much is somuch has changed in my life in

(05:50):
the last 2 weeks. Right? Yeah.And it's crazy how just 2 weeks
time frame that since you and Isat here, it feels like so much
has changed in my life. Youknow?
Yeah. Coaching again and

Tyler (06:05):
Yeah.

Danny (06:05):
Going down the path of a new venture with a vehicle.

Tyler (06:10):
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Out with the old and with thenew. Out with

Danny (06:13):
the old man. Our our, what did you think about the,
what what was your thoughts on,the presidential election and
then that week?

Tyler (06:23):
It it was really strange. Like you could feel like a
powder keg and it was, it wasinteresting. Right. I went and
voted in person, which is thefirst time I've done it in a few
years because we've been mailingballots for so long up here. You
know, I wasn't, I wasn'tparticularly impressed with
either candidate.
Right? It's, like, kinda more ofthe same. Mhmm. More of the

(06:45):
same. I am not an affiliatedvoter.
I typically like to listen tothe issues. That way I can
remain nimble, like, really pickand choose. I am pretty
libertarian when it comes to,like, my my political views,
which makes me a little bitmore, physically conservative

Danny (07:01):
Sure.

Tyler (07:02):
While while socially a little bit more liberal. I
thought it would be a a a more,like, a a higher contention
race. Like

Danny (07:13):
I think blue got blown out of the

Tyler (07:15):
water. What's interesting is I was I was betting on it. I
was, I was betting on it, AndI'm like, at the end there,
like, I put my my vote down formy, you know, my $100 down for
Trump, which didn't give me alot of money, but at the time of
pre election, it was likewhatever. It was it was like 30%
return on my money. And Ithought for sure as they were

(07:35):
calling out, they were gonnacall more for Kamala.
And, I so I hedged. I hedged alittle bit thinking, hey. She's
probably gonna get a late nightbump. California hasn't come in.

Danny (07:44):
Does that.

Tyler (07:45):
You know what I mean?

Danny (07:46):
Like, it always does that.

Tyler (07:47):
She, and I bought in, I bought in at like 5%, the 5%
return thinking like, you know,$25 would get me, you know, if
it bumps a little bit, she gets50% or even higher. I could, I
could have made like, you know,another 10, $20 and it just
stayed there. And I ended uppissing away $25 because, you
know, so though but I got intothe the community, and I'm like,
there's a difference in thecommunity. People were happier.

(08:09):
Probably just that it was over.

Danny (08:11):
Yeah. And I think that people were, being a little bit
more okay with their decisionknowing that the entire country
had probably done the same thingas

Tyler (08:20):
Yeah.

Danny (08:21):
You know, things the last couple of weeks with, Trump and
his him and Vance going on toJoe Rogan.

Tyler (08:29):
Yeah.

Danny (08:29):
Dude, that that that changed. Shocking, Changed
everything. Shocking. It gaveyou the ability to be like, yes.
I may not agree with who you areas a person, but that doesn't
mean that you can't run thecountry the way that I would
like to see it ran.

Tyler (08:45):
And what's what's interesting is Vance is such a
different character than Pence.Pence was so straight laced and
religious

Danny (08:51):
that I

Tyler (08:54):
didn't feel like he was a very good pick.

Danny (08:56):
He was so bad.

Tyler (08:57):
And he they they won. Right? And I'm like, I didn't
know much about Vance. I knowhe's a veteran. That like,
anytime a veteran gets involvedin politics, they generally will
have my attention.
I like to to listen to what theysay. JFK Junior Yeah. Joining
the ticket was definitelyinteresting to me. I mean,

Danny (09:16):
I think you got Gabbard.

Tyler (09:17):
Yeah. You got a

Danny (09:18):
Gabbard was the I but she when I when I heard her talk on
a couple podcasts, I was like, Iam voting for her.

Tyler (09:24):
It felt like a different it felt like a different Trump
than than previous. And and andI and I I think that's what
people liked about him is thathe was he's still anti he's
still the anti establishmentcandidate. Push. And I think
people voted on the economy. Idon't think I think there was a
lot of social issues that thatthat Kamala and the the the left
tried to push.

Danny (09:43):
Yeah.

Tyler (09:44):
They really ran on a like, we we always hear about
the neoliberal or the excuse me,the neoconservative. But there
is definitely a neoliberal partythat is has influenced has
influenced that ticket, and Idon't I don't think it helped
them.

Danny (09:57):
And I don't think that the fact that, like, she was so
quiet leading up to things, andhe was so available Right. And
and the way he conductedhimself, yes. Yes. He's a, yes,
there are things that you go,oh, that makes me cringe. But if
you think in your world that youhaven't said something that
makes people cringe, you'recrazy.
I I know for a fact that I'vesaid things that I'm like, oh,

(10:20):
that's not gonna that's gonna goover like a fart in church. You
know?

Tyler (10:24):
Yeah. And it was interesting. It probably took 2
or 3 days, I think, for thosepeople that were in that camp
to, like, really start. Youstarted hearing the whining.
Mhmm.
Like, oh, I guess, you know youknow, I the the big thing I
heard on social media was Iwanna talk to a Trump voter to
understand why they would havevoted for a convicted felon. And
I'm like, in my book, we're allconvicted felons because we're

(10:45):
all rebels.

Danny (10:46):
We we do things that we do things that we shouldn't do.

Tyler (10:49):
Right.

Danny (10:49):
And, ultimately, like, they're what are we looking for?
What are we looking for? Youknow? Right. Like I say, you
know, I'm I am a pro America.
My family has all been inAmerica. Yeah. Yes. I am a, yes.
I am a person of color.
I am a person of color.

Tyler (11:08):
Yeah.

Danny (11:09):
I am for sure. And I have concerns of for my for myself,
but I also work my butt off, andI'm middle class.

Tyler (11:18):
Yeah.

Danny (11:18):
I'm not I'm I'm not low end. I'm definitely not high
end. I'm I'm middle class.

Tyler (11:24):
Yeah.

Danny (11:25):
And I want my kids to have a good world. Yeah. If that
means that I I do believe thatwe need to have some sort of,
way to come into this country topay Yeah. Your dues. Yes.
I do believe that. Yeah. Butthere has to be a process for
that. Yeah. Not just anybody.
And I don't care what color youare. Yeah. Not just anybody can
come into this country and startto change the whole dynamic of a

(11:51):
of of certain issues or certainplaces just because we need to
help everybody. No. We don'tneed to help everybody.
Yeah.

Tyler (11:58):
We need

Danny (11:58):
to help Americans.

Tyler (11:59):
Yeah. You know?

Danny (12:00):
And and I believe that, and I fight for that, and my
boys fight for that, and I wantmy boys to to stand on business,
to stand their ground. And, I Iwas so grateful for, you know,
your your ideas of the topictonight because Mike and I had
such a good conversation aboutit. And I'm so excited to dive
down this because not only that,we also had, you know, crazy UFC

(12:27):
Yeah. Crazy Mike Tyson fights.

Tyler (12:29):
Oh, yeah.

Danny (12:30):
There's so much going on right now. And it was it was a
crazy weekend of events. Youknow, the whole thing was
insane.

Tyler (12:40):
Yeah.

Danny (12:40):
You know, how you how how men and how people are being
portrayed, and and is it afalsity? Is it, like, is it is
it real?

Tyler (12:50):
Yeah. What is what is what is real?

Danny (12:52):
What is real?

Tyler (12:52):
Yeah. Definitely. I I mean so the topic today, I
definitely wanted to talk alittle bit about, like, just
feeling dangerous.

Danny (12:58):
Yeah. Right? The dangerous man.

Tyler (12:59):
The dangerous man. And I've I'm I instantly when I
started thinking of this topic,I thought of the movie act of
valor. Have you seen that movie?

Danny (13:06):
A great movie.

Tyler (13:06):
It's such a great movie.

Danny (13:07):
It's one of the best.

Tyler (13:08):
It's such, like, it's such an action oriented movie.
It's one of those that I turnon, like, when I wanna test the
surround sound. Story. Yeah.You're just like it's all the
you know, it's

Danny (13:16):
I love it.

Tyler (13:16):
It hypes you up. But, the opening scene of that that
movie, there's a a letter afather is writing to a son, and
and I'm gonna butcher this a alittle bit, but it's before he
basically says before my fatherdied, one thing he he said about
growing older is that men stopseeing you as dangerous. And I

(13:36):
always remember how how beingdangerous was kind of like a
sacred. Yeah. It's, like,sacred.
Like, this feeling of dangerous.

Danny (13:44):
For sure.

Tyler (13:45):
And I think that's one thing that we we, as human
beings, we've kind ofdisconnected from from danger a
little bit.

Danny (13:53):
It mean it being dangerous was was definitely a
badge or sign of or badge ofhonor, a sign.

Tyler (13:58):
You were the hunter. You were the the warrior. You were
you would go out and you wouldprotect.

Danny (14:03):
For sure.

Tyler (14:03):
Right? You would you would provide for your tribe.
No. And now we've gotten thispoint where, you know, a a a
majority of men, they've theydon't have any association with
with that danger.

Danny (14:14):
Sure.

Tyler (14:15):
Like, we're not using power tools anymore. Like, we're
sitting behind desks, and we canbe keyboard warriors. And, you
know, there are men out therethat are working with power
tools that are, you know,building skyscrapers. There's
women out there that are doingthis as well. So Sure.

Danny (14:31):
Yeah. You live you like like it says, you live your life
by a code by a certain code.Right? And and most of the men
lived by that code. Most of themen lived by that code.
They were dangerous. You know?And they knew that they had that
air of that when shit hit thefan, I was running at the fire,

(14:54):
not away from it.

Tyler (14:55):
Right. And I think that the the, like, a general concept
I have is that, like, there there like, there's one absolute in
this than in this world. I thinkif we were to, like, distill
down humanity into firstprinciples, kind of the concept,
like, the raw concepts of offirst principles of humanity, it

(15:16):
would be if I am bigger than youand you have something I want, I
will take it.

Danny (15:24):
I will take it.

Tyler (15:25):
It does not matter. Yeah. And and that can be it could be
positive depending on which campyou're in. If you're, you know,
part of the camp or the guy'sbigger or your tribe is bigger,
that works out into yourbenefit. Yeah.
But if you are smaller, I mean,you kind of have to adapt.
Right? You have to adapt or youdie.

Danny (15:42):
Yep.

Tyler (15:43):
This you know, hate to say it, the concept of survival
of the fittest.

Danny (15:47):
For sure. Yeah. And and when you have those those
guidelines or you have those,and you have that you have that
basis and you live by thatcreed, you know which camp you
lie in.

Tyler (16:02):
Right.

Danny (16:02):
Right? We've talked about this. I don't have a big group
of people. Right. I don't.
Right. I don't have a lot offriends. I I I I have family. I
don't I have people that Itrust, people that I surround
myself Yeah. And all of them aregangsters.
Yeah. Every single one of them.The people that I hang out with,
I know are gangsters.

Tyler (16:22):
Right.

Danny (16:22):
Like gangsters. Yeah. Tough, mean, kind.

Tyler (16:27):
Yeah.

Danny (16:28):
They they are dangerous men who have lived dangerous
lives, who do dangerousprofessions, and they are the
nicest guys in the world. Andtell they're not.

Tyler (16:38):
It it's it's so true. So, like, this concept of being
dangerous, I was rollingyesterday, and we had, you know,
we had 20 guys on the mat. Wewere there's no out rounds.
Right? Big rounds.
And when I was rolling with 1 ofthe newer white belts, and he's
good. He's good. He's athletic.He's strong. He took my back.
He had the rear naked choke. Andat this point I'm just defending

(17:01):
the rear naked choke. I'm notdoing anything but defend the
rear naked choke. And I'm like,why isn't he finishing it? Why
isn't he finishing it?
I'm like, it's gotta be becausehe's, he's worried that he's
going to hurt me, but I'm like,I'm defending myself and I'll
tap if I, I need to tap andended up losing the position
because he just like, he it'slike, he wouldn't put it on. And
I, I, the thing that popped inmy head is that the Nick

(17:22):
Hallett, like, man, you're justnot being mean enough. You're
just not being mean enoughbecause I'll let you play. I'll
let you play. You know?
But you know what I mean? Like,you gotta you gotta have it. You
gotta want it. You gotta yougotta light that fire. You gotta
not be afraid that that yourtraining partner isn't going to
protect themselves.

Danny (17:40):
And in on the mat, definitely, it's a learned
trait. There are people that,like, don't learn it because,
like, am I supposed to hurt youbecause you didn't tap? There
are times when I've been like,you get a couple opportunities
to tap. You don't tap. I willmake sure that you tap.
Yes. Now I'm not trying to hurtyou because I need you as a
training partner. Yeah. But if Iput it on you and you don't tap

(18:03):
and you get hurt, you get hurt,you personally get hurt. That's
not your fault.

Tyler (18:07):
Absolutely. And I'm I'm definitely guilty of that too.
Like, I will especially withupper belts, you know, there'll
be times when I'm wrong withprofessor Nick, and they're
like, they're holding me in aposition. And I can tell that,
like, yes, perhaps my arm is ina in a precarious situation. But
what is my role at that point?
Do I tap and reset, or do areare they, like

Danny (18:29):
Are they allowing you to

Tyler (18:30):
Are they allowing me to, like, solve the problem until I
figure out that the problemcan't be solved?

Danny (18:34):
Right. Right?

Tyler (18:34):
And so I'm I'm, like, I'm I do get stuck in that kind of,
like, what do I do? And

Danny (18:38):
It is a weird it is a weird environment because I can
see that, like, maybe they'reallowing you to Right. Work
through the problem Right.Knowing that they're not gonna
hurt you, or maybe they're just,like, go ahead. Yeah. Go go
ahead.
Don't move. Don't tap. Right.Soon as you move one way, you're
either gonna tap the screen.Right?
Yep. There are times when andand professor talks about this a

(19:01):
lot. There are times when thereis no play. Yeah. Anything where
life or death is at is a risk.
So what does that mean? Weapons.Mhmm. Anytime a weapon is
involved, it is not there's noplay. Yeah.
Anytime a police officer, amilitary service member,
somebody that carries a weapon

Tyler (19:22):
How about our boy, Chris?

Danny (19:24):
Dude, what a crazy thing. Yeah. Dude, it's insane.

Tyler (19:28):
It's just like he was he was there last night. He didn't
he didn't stay to train.

Danny (19:32):
Yeah. So one of our one of our white belts, who is a
smaller man Mhmm. Is a nurse. Hehad a real life situation where
he had to use jiu jitsu. Italked to him, and he said there
were so many mistakes that hemade, but he was so proud, so
glad that he had jiu jitsubecause as soon as instinct
kicked in, he did not fight orflight.

(19:52):
He completely ran, solved theproblem. Yeah. Took the dude
down, put him on his back. Hedid make some mistakes, he said,
and he's he's excited to talkabout him, but, he, for sure,
used jiu jitsu in a real lifesituation. And what a great
thing.
I mean, like that dude like Isaid, we are around people that
you know have the ability to bedangerous.

Tyler (20:13):
Yeah.

Danny (20:14):
You could live in a world of pretend danger. You know?

Tyler (20:18):
Right.

Danny (20:18):
Where you're where it's perceived.

Tyler (20:23):
Yeah. Right? Yeah.

Danny (20:24):
Age plays a huge fact in that. And this is kind of like
Mike and I talked about thisbecause I have been being
getting banged up a lot. Yeah.Part of it is is because there's
times when I'm training, I'm asmaller person. Mhmm.
And I don't want to be what Iwould consider a quotation or,

(20:45):
yeah, quotations, boring roundwhere I just defend myself, but
I don't move. So I'll, like,move around and maybe I get my
arm extended like you were justtalking about. But because of my
size and because of the size I'mtraining with, it's to the full
extension, boom, and I get hurt.And I'm like, I I wasn't even
try there was nothing even goingon, but I got hurt.

Tyler (21:05):
Yeah.

Danny (21:05):
Right? I get into a weird scramble. I end up on top maybe,
but what did I what did Isacrifice? My knees, my wrist.

Tyler (21:14):
Mhmm.

Danny (21:15):
Something's hurting now, and I'm like, gosh. What is it?
Is it age? Is it age? Is it thefact that, like, some of these
guys are getting better?
Is it my ego? Yeah. Is it thefact that, like, I wasn't doing
my job? And and professor waslike, no. It it's all the above,
but also there are times whenyou have to be opportunistic.
Yeah. And that may be justdefending.

Tyler (21:37):
Man, speaking of opportunities, I don't we we do
wanna go into that that TysonJake Paul fight. Will.

Danny (21:43):
I think we do. Yeah. We kinda have to.

Tyler (21:45):
We kinda have to.

Danny (21:46):
Right?

Tyler (21:46):
I mean, I was so hyped for this fight. Like, I've been
a Tyson fan forever. Everybodywants to see Jake Paul get
punched, but, like, I walkedaway from it thinking, like,
this is this is WWE.

Danny (22:00):
Do you think it was staged?

Tyler (22:02):
I, 100%, think it's staged.

Danny (22:04):
Do you think that they came up with rules to keep them
both in the fight for 8 minuteor 8 rounds?

Tyler (22:13):
8 rounds? I don't know. I don't yes. I I think I think it
was staged to the point whereTyson was never going to win
that fight unless he trulypersonified his bad boy self.
And and I could tell his youknow, you saw the pre fight

(22:34):
stuff.
Boy looked quick. He lookedfast.

Danny (22:38):
For, like, 5 seconds.

Tyler (22:39):
Right. Right. So he looked he looked like, okay. I
haven't lost a step. I'm 57.
You know, I know certainthere's, you know, there's gotta
be guys in the in the gym thatare older, that, that age that
we roll with that are like, youknow, that they can bang, they
can roll. Right. They can do 3rounds. They can do the 20, they
can do the hour of, of 3 minuteswith us. Yeah.

(23:00):
Right? So I'm like, I I get it.I have a little bit of faith.
The guy has some muscle memory.One thing I loved is that he
seemed to punch through hispartner.
Like, when the the guy workingthe gloves, and I'm not a boxer
by any means, but, like, helooked at like, he was punching
through, like, anytime he wastraining.

Danny (23:14):
You know how you you've ever seen, I can't remember his
name. I think his name isMichael. He's a he's a black guy
that's a karate. He used to dokarate moves, and he was he
would do prison movies. I can'tremember his name.
Michael John Mike Michaelsomething. Anyways, he would

(23:35):
show tech karate techniques.Yeah. Professor always talks
about this. It's a choreographeddance.

Tyler (23:40):
Yeah.

Danny (23:41):
When Mike's hitting the pads, it's a choreographed
dance.

Tyler (23:44):
Yeah.

Danny (23:45):
Right? So it's meant to look

Tyler (23:47):
Like he's

Danny (23:47):
like he like, it's beautiful.

Tyler (23:49):
Right.

Danny (23:49):
Because boxing is beautiful.

Tyler (23:50):
Right.

Danny (23:51):
When Floyd Mayweather is hitting the bag and he's and
he's looking at you and he's andhe's punching as fast as he can,
It's it's a choreographed dance,so I'm holding the pads knowing
that your hand is going to bethere. So it's Very

Tyler (24:06):
interesting. Okay.

Danny (24:07):
So it's staged. It's 100% staged. Does that mean that it's
that it doesn't matter in thefight? No. It does it matters.
Right?

Tyler (24:15):
Like Yeah.

Danny (24:16):
Hand eye coordination and boxing, cutting off the ring,
doing things with your feet tomake sure you can't step a
certain direction because if youstep that direction, I'm gonna
punch you. That's real. MikeTyson was the epitome of I will
take 2 hits to give you 15.Yeah. Because my 15 are gonna

(24:36):
make you squeal.
Right. Right? Athletic. He'svery young. Yes.
On no in no world does he notkill Mike Tyson. You know what

Tyler (24:45):
I mean?

Danny (24:46):
No world. No world.

Tyler (24:54):
Because there was a couple times that Tyson slipped
punches, and it's clear. JakePaul did not have his gloves up.
And if Tyson would havecountered like, you you saw the
first few punches that Tysongot. It it was a wake up call to
to Jake Paul.

Danny (25:11):
Mike Tyson is is a is a dangerous man. He is a dangerous
man. If he was to fight anotherwhen if he was to fight another
50 or 8 year old man, and theyboth were boxers Mhmm. Mike
Tyson has a puncher's chance ofknocking that person. Yeah.
All things equal. This is notall things equal. This is a
choreographed

Tyler (25:31):
I hear.

Danny (25:32):
For Jake Paul to broadcast himself as this person
that he's played his entirelife.

Tyler (25:39):
Yeah. Yes.

Danny (25:39):
He's played. He's an act he's acted his entire life.

Tyler (25:42):
He's the heel. He is the undertaker. He is he is yeah.

Danny (25:45):
And Mike Tyson is what we all wanted. Right. What we all
wanted, we got. We got this thisidea that we can still be
dangerous. I am 46 years old.
I have a 20 year old monsterYeah. That I that that I that
Mike always reminds me, yes. Itsucks that your son kicks the

(26:07):
crap out of you.

Tyler (26:07):
Yeah.

Danny (26:08):
But you have to be proud about it. Yeah. Because it's me
that has taught him that.

Tyler (26:12):
Yeah.

Danny (26:12):
I have tried before. I've thought to myself, I'm going to
go at him today.

Tyler (26:18):
Uh-huh.

Danny (26:18):
And I last maybe about a minute and a half before he
kicks it up, and I don't havethat ability to kick it up.

Tyler (26:23):
And that was the other thing we saw

Danny (26:25):
equal. Right? All things equal. Now maybe, like, Anthony
and Nick and those guys canbecause they're a little bit
bigger than Tripp, and plus theyhave more experience in it. But
that that dude I mean, he'skilling me.

Tyler (26:36):
Yeah.

Danny (26:37):
All things equal in which we are, we're about the same
weight. He's, you know, maybeabout 5 inches taller than me.
I've got grit and meanness on myside. He's got youth on his
side. Yeah.
That's what we've seen. Yeah. Somy my my idea was to take it for
what it was worth. And then Igot bummed because you realized

(27:00):
we're not dangerous. Well, thereis somebody out there that is
going to make you look like it'sokay.
Right? Like, I Yeah. Jake Pauldid a great job of making Tyson
look okay. But at any point intime

Tyler (27:13):
I just wonder, though.

Danny (27:14):
They could've knocked the shit out of him.

Tyler (27:16):
I mean, he stayed he stayed to the outside. He did
exactly what I thought he wasgonna do. He stayed to the
outside, and he would drop inand you know?

Danny (27:23):
I think there was a contract that said, let's keep
going each round because I'veheard the contract went. Every
round, they got more money.

Tyler (27:31):
Yeah.

Danny (27:32):
Every round that they lasted to the 8 rounds, you got
more money. Plus, it was onNetflix, so nobody gave a shit
about Netflix. Yeah. It wasn't apay per view. It was on Netflix
for free.
How about the beginning of itwhen Mike Tyson is locked, turns
around, and there's his butt.Butt. And you're like, that's a
57 year old man's ass.

Tyler (27:53):
Yeah.

Danny (27:53):
That's what my ass look like. Yeah.

Tyler (27:55):
Yeah. I mean, that was where I started I started to,
like, have no faith that hewould he would win. Right? Like,
his demeanor changed. Oh, yeah.
His demeanor would change. Andwhen he walked out there alone
and he's just kinda stumbling, Isaw in a man, a guy who was
like, he was selling his he wasselling his legacy. He was

(28:16):
selling his legacy. I think hewanted to get in there and at
least do do more.

Danny (28:21):
I think we got what we wanted out of Tyson. Like, you
you knew that he has theability, like, when you seen the
buildup and you see him doingthe choreographed, pad inning.
It was cool to see, like, himback out there. What you don't
wanna see is the Mike Tysonwhere he's, he when you know?
And excuse our audience.

(28:42):
Please excuse me when I saythis. But when he told that guy,
I'll fuck you till you love me,that is one of the most iconic
lines

Tyler (28:48):
Yes.

Danny (28:49):
Of all things when he is standing at the thing, and he's
screaming at the guy, and he'ssweating, and he's screaming,
and you're like, this is adangerous man.

Tyler (28:57):
That's and that's what you know, you the post fight
interview was was probably oneof the more interesting things
where he says he's like, I justdon't have I

Danny (29:05):
don't have it.

Tyler (29:06):
I don't have I've got the training. I can do the training,
but he's like, I just don't havethat same Yeah. That same fire.
I I wonder where does that wherebecause, I mean, he was. So you
were talking about a dude thatwas arrested 100 of times before
he was 13.
I don't know about 100 of times.So he's arrested.

Danny (29:22):
He lived the he lived the he's that guy, like, came from
nothing

Tyler (29:25):
Yeah.

Danny (29:26):
To be, I think, 20 I think he was 20 or 21 when he
won his first title. And Iremember watching him being
like, oh my he's going to killsomebody. Yeah. Because when he
would get in there in the pocketand swing and his and his and
his everything was so beautiful.When I was fighting MMA, my one
of my trainers was a boxer, andhe trained with Mike Tyson in

(29:50):
Hawaii 1 1 year.
And Mike Tyson came out there,and he would he'd show me some
some of Mike Tyson's combos. AndI remember thinking, gosh, I
just wanna look like Mike Tysonwith

Tyler (30:00):
Right.

Danny (30:01):
When I'm doing this. And, yeah, a very dangerous man. But
did he have does do do thoseguys have this fear of becoming
irrelevant?

Tyler (30:13):
Yeah.

Danny (30:14):
You know, like Yeah. What if what if you don't, Tyler,
think that Danny is a monster onthe mat, and then you come and
try to take my title? Becauseyou're you're not scared of me
anymore.

Tyler (30:23):
I mean,

Danny (30:24):
I Do we get there any do we ever get there?

Tyler (30:26):
I'd rather be knocked out by Jake Paul than than sell it
for 20,000,000 personally.Personally, I'll take hey. He
knocked me out. He He knocked meout. Like, okay.
I'm old. I don't know that Icould I don't know. I don't know
that I could solve. I I don'tknow that I could go in there
and play the role. You know?
Yeah. There was a lot to it.Like, him biting the gloves.

(30:46):
Like, so weird. Right?
Which like, the clinch. Right?So there's this whole story
that, like, you know, Jake Paulwas getting close until until,
like, the first couple of landyou know, punches landed by
Tyson, and then he startedclenching. And they're they're
they're saying that, like, atthat point, it would Jake was
like, hey. Slow down.
Like, let's let's give them ashow. And

Danny (31:07):
Yeah. Don't gas out.

Tyler (31:08):
Don't gas out. Like, he was gonna go for a 1st round
knockout. Like, that's what hewanted to to he wanted to do.
Right. And if he didn't, I Ikinda figured if he didn't get
it in the 1st 2 or 3 rounds,he's not gonna get it.
And then then I'm just like,when I saw him walking out, I'm
just like, this thing is isstaged. He's not gonna win. And
so those people who want JakePaul to go away, here's what you

(31:29):
gotta do. Turn it off.

Danny (31:31):
Turn it off.

Tyler (31:32):
Don't watch it anymore.

Danny (31:33):
I know.

Tyler (31:34):
That's the second one. Like, I I don't have Netflix. I
paid 6.99 just to watch that onefight. You did. Yeah.
Because I had to sign up for a 1month, and I just I canceled it
immediately. The streak qualitywas terrible.

Danny (31:45):
So bad. This is about round 7 when it finally all of a
sudden cleared up.

Tyler (31:50):
Yeah.

Danny (31:50):
Because everybody turned

Tyler (31:52):
Yeah. Yeah. It was it was it was garbage, and I I think
that is interesting. Right?Like, do you you there's a
there's a point where you don'twant that anymore.
Like, he he didn't want hedoesn't want that anymore. Yeah.

Danny (32:06):
Do you see it do you see do you see masculinity going
away with age? Do you seeyourself like, oh, I'm getting
older, so I'm not so masculine,and I need to chase that?
That's, like, one of those,like, where they call that,
where a guy goes through amidlife crisis, you know,
because he feels like this. He'snot living up to what he's

(32:27):
supposed to be, and all of asudden he goes by this, this
fast car. Yeah.
It's a younger girlfriend, youknow, midlife crisis area, and
age plays a part of that.

Tyler (32:38):
Yeah. Right? I think age definitely does play a part, but
I think you also gottaunderstand your purpose. I think
you gotta deeply connect withyour purpose. And I think it at
at a certain point, right, like,I will probably I will train
until until I can't.
That that'd be my goal. My Ireally I I envision myself with
a black belt.

Danny (32:57):
That's funny you say that.

Tyler (32:58):
You know what I mean? Like, I don't know how long I'm
gonna have to do it. I don'tknow how long I'm gonna have to
get there, but I really enjoythe the my time. I enjoy the
community. Like, training for mehas been a lot of fun.

Danny (33:08):
It reminds you that you are dangerous,

Tyler (33:10):
that

Danny (33:10):
you are that you are masculine, that you that you go
around with other guys who youknow. Yeah. It's funny because
Mike when when after everythingwas said and done, and Mike and
I had our conversation, and hekind of explained to me what,
you know, where I was makingsome mistakes. And and he took
about, 15 minutes just to justto have a conversation with me,

(33:32):
which I was so grateful forbecause I needed it. Yeah.
And at the end, as we werewalking off the mat, he said, I
want to see, you know, you and Ion the mat, like, at 80, 85, 90
years old together like we'redoing now, looking back and
thinking about what we've justwent through in this life. And

(33:52):
what it what it meant to me wasis that is, like, I'm not gonna
change who I am. Yeah. You know,I'm still gonna be dangerous,
but I'm going to makeadjustments so I don't get hurt.
And maybe that is, like,protecting myself against
certain monsters in the matthat, like that oh, sure.
I I can't do anything with them.You know? Sure. And it's okay,

(34:14):
like, as long as they don't doanything to me.

Tyler (34:16):
Right. Right.

Danny (34:16):
You know? Like, if a guy gets your back. Yes. And you're
like, I can defend this. Yeah.
It's okay. Like, if if you getit, I'll tap. We're gonna be
friends.

Tyler (34:24):
Right.

Danny (34:24):
You know?

Tyler (34:25):
Yeah. It's okay. Yeah. It's it's totally okay. And I
think there's a there's athere's a paradigm shift too.
You get to an age where yourskill becomes now this becomes a
knowledge I have to pass down. Ihave to help Agreed. I have to
help the next generation. I haveto help my son. I have to help
his sons.
So you become the teacher. And Ithink, you you know, it that's

(34:50):
your evolving purpose as a man.Our purpose you know, when we're
younger, our purpose is to, youknow, go out there and make
money or or go out and serve ourcommunity or we find our purpose
as men in many different ways.And I think that there's no
there's no there's no intrinsicbirthright anymore or no rite of
passage where we go out and webecome the hunter. We go out and

(35:11):
we become the warrior.
We have to kinda find those now,on our own, and and that's why
so many young men are gettinglost. So many are turning to
video games or taking the pathof least resistance is because
we're not in a culture anymorewhere we have to to work to feed
ourselves.

Danny (35:29):
Well, and how often is the dad busting his ass working
so he can't actually spend thetime with his son

Tyler (35:35):
Yeah.

Danny (35:35):
To teach him the things that he needs to do because the
dad the dad is in his grindstage. Yeah. And there's so many
guys out there telling you towork, you know, work work work,
grind grind grind.

Tyler (35:47):
Get that hustle. Get that hustle.

Danny (35:49):
Hustle. Hustle. And now your kid who is yearning and and
and wanting to go and learn tobecome a young man, and he
watches you do this. So he'slike, oh, cool. My dad is
grinding on the computer.
I'm gonna play this video game.It's kinda the same thing.

Tyler (36:05):
Right. Right.

Danny (36:06):
I'm gonna get this, yeah,

Tyler (36:08):
this No. You're absolutely right. They're they
mirror they mirror the behaviorbecause you're, you're
absolutely right. We are my dadwas a a farmer. I'd go out and
I'd I'd see him farm because thefarm was right out front.
He was a cobbler. He was makingshoes. You know, typically, we'd
see that in our neighborhood. Hewas a you know, whatever he did
prior to kind of the the newintellectual movement of of

(36:28):
work. Yeah.
Right? Our our children our ourchildren used to see see it. Now
we actually leave, and theydon't see us

Danny (36:35):
see us working.

Tyler (36:35):
They don't see us working.

Danny (36:37):
Yeah. And they they they develop skills on their own, and
they may not be the skills thatyou want. Yeah. You know, they
they may, struggle, and youdon't see it because you're not
home. You don't get home tilllate because you're working.
You're grinding. You'rehustling. You're you're on
social media going, hey. Don'tget on social media too much.

(36:58):
Yeah.
But you're on social media, andyou're like, well, this is how I
make my money. And so I kindahave to be on there doing, you
know, reels, and I've gotta bedoing Yeah. I've gotta be
grinding. I've gotta behustling. I've gotta

Tyler (37:09):
Right.

Danny (37:09):
And I'm gonna go to the gym, but I'm not gonna take you
with me. I'm gonna go to the gymby myself, and I'm not gonna
take you with me. I'm just gonnago by myself because, you know,
I'm working on myself, and youryour young son is like, cool.
I'm just gonna work on myselftoo, and he has no idea how to
do it. Right?
So then the danger and that ideaof, like, run at the firefight,

(37:30):
run at the firefight, run at thefirefight, but, man, don't
forget your job. Your job is tocome home. It gets left. Right?
And so I hope we don't lose factthat Mike Tyson is an idol.
You know? But also Jake Paulcould be an idol in certain
people's eyes as well becausethe dude has made it. He fought

(37:54):
my I mean, this guy has foughtsome of the craziest, toughest
guys, albeit in their laterlater years, but the dude is
making a name for himself.

Tyler (38:06):
Yeah. You have to you have to question, though, if if
the whole thing is manufactured.Right? Like, why if he is the,
quote, unquote, the new face ofboxing, and this is my question,
is he is he really dangerous?Right?
Because there's that whole quotethat, like, Tyson says, I'm I'm
dangerous. Jake Paul ismanufactured dangerous. Right?

(38:27):
Like, what is like, why isn't heboxing in a particular circuit
with their rules rather thanmaking the rules himself?

Danny (38:38):
Right? Because he's found a way to make money.

Tyler (38:41):
Exactly. And so so is it real? No. Right? They said his
they said his outfit wassomething like $1,000,000, his
little boxing outfit.

Danny (38:51):
The dude came out in a cult.

Tyler (38:54):
Right. It was like Rocky. Yeah.

Danny (38:56):
Remember when Rocky came out?

Tyler (38:57):
Yeah.

Danny (38:58):
And, they lifted up, Glover? Yes. You know, and
lifted it up, and he's Yeah.Yeah. And it that's exactly what
it looked like to me.
It was just a fake. But boxingitself has lost a little bit of
that, about a little of thatluster. I think there's some
really good boxers out there. Wealso the UFC was this weekend,

(39:21):
which is kinda crazy. You know?
And Trump and his whole cabinetbeing there was just like, what?
And what? Yeah. What world arewe living in?

Tyler (39:28):
Right.

Danny (39:29):
Right? Jon Jones, 37 years old, is the greatest
fighter I've ever been able towitness. Yeah. And when you talk
about, like, what we've seen onFriday compared to what we've
seen on Saturday, that to me is,like, those dudes, very athletic

(39:49):
to talented, probably juiced alittle bit.

Tyler (39:53):
Yeah.

Danny (39:54):
But, man, like, that's a that's a fun thing. And and you
and I, because we train jiujitsu, we can actually put
ourself in that Yeah. In thatenvironment. Right? We can kind
of put ourself there, so we'rewe kind of feel like we're part
of that community

Tyler (40:06):
Right.

Danny (40:07):
With the UFC. But when you watch Jon Jones and you
watch him dismantle Stipe theway that he did, you tell
yourself there are somedangerous dudes.

Tyler (40:19):
Right.

Danny (40:20):
And that guy is as dangerous as

Tyler (40:23):
As it comes. Yeah.

Danny (40:24):
Because he was able to cut off the ring and then
spinning back, he'll kick thatdude. And could you imagine
getting kicked by him like that?

Tyler (40:33):
Yeah. No.

Danny (40:34):
Oh my goodness, dude.

Tyler (40:35):
They're getting kicked by a horse.

Danny (40:38):
And he set it up. Every time Stipe moved right, he'd
whack him with a kick. Everytime Stipe moved to his right,
he'd punch him. Every time hemoved to his right, whack him
with a kick. Yeah.
So what did Stipe have to do?Turn go left. And he knew he was
gonna go left, so all he had todo was whack him with a kick and
then spin. Boom. And Stevie wasgonna be there.
Yeah. It was so it wasbeautiful. It was beautiful, and

(41:00):
that's what, to me, fighting isabout. Yeah. You've been on the
mat where you've set somethingup.
You've set a trap for somebodythat you're like, man, this trap
is about to work.

Tyler (41:14):
Yeah.

Danny (41:14):
And when it works, you have this, like, giddy inside
your Yes. Yes. Yeah. You knowwhat's funny with you is, when
we're training and and when Jeffshowed to go out the other side
as opposed to and when you getit, I can feel how excited you
are that you've got your arm tothe other side of the body

(41:37):
because he said that would bethe other hard part. And I can
feel how you're like, oh mygoodness.

Tyler (41:44):
Yeah.

Danny (41:45):
I set the trap, and the trap worked. Yeah. And I have to
now go on the defense because Iknow it's about, you know, it's
about to happen. Yeah. That'swhat you're looking for.
Yeah. And so you so, like, howexciting is that?

Tyler (41:56):
Oh, it's so fun. I hit a Baron Bolo last night, and we
taught the and then Nick taughtBaron Bolos. And it was like it
was like the most beautifulthing. It was. It's it it it's
like that golf shot for thosepeople that golf that maybe
don't get this.
Like you hit that one golf shotand it's like, that's what keeps
you coming back. Right? Likethat's what keeps you going.
You're hitting the batting cageand you, you know, you hit, you

(42:17):
know, you hit the ball, thebaseball, whatever, whatever it
is that like you find that thatflow. Yeah.
You find that flow. And it is.It's it's it's a fantastic
feeling.

Danny (42:25):
And you've you've you've accomplished what you were
setting out to accomplish onthis journey. Right? Yeah. Same
thing, getting a girl's number.

Tyler (42:33):
Yeah.

Danny (42:34):
Same thing, getting a video. Yes. You know? Yeah. And
you're like, man, that workedout.

Tyler (42:40):
Yes.

Danny (42:40):
That's the way I wanted

Tyler (42:41):
it. Just how I wanted it to know.

Danny (42:43):
Yeah. And so, when you when you think about those
things and you as you age andyou have to find happiness in in
your age and and the little tinyvictories that we have in our
life, you know, you don't wantto forget about pulling the

(43:04):
younger generation up. No. Yeah.But then holding accountable the
people that you have in yourinner circle too.
Right? Like, if that person isnot if it if you have a Jake
Paul in your life, you know, whoYeah. Who you're like, that dude
is so fake. Yeah. He's so fake.
Yeah. But, I mean, he has he'sgot his own entourage

Tyler (43:24):
Yeah.

Danny (43:25):
Shit. You know? And it's cool. Like, they're doing their
thing. I don't relate with them,but I definitely relate with
Tyson.
Yeah. You know? I'm getting upthere in age and Yeah. I still
wouldn't mind walking onnational TV with my butt cheeks
hanging.

Tyler (43:39):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was, that was definitely the
power move of the evening.

Danny (43:45):
That was so awesome. How do you, how do you develop
resilience knowing that you'regetting up there in age?

Tyler (43:55):
I think it's you you pick your battles. Right? You pick
your battles. Right? You youunderstand, like, that that
there is a pecking order, thatyou understand that that you're
right.
You're not going to be you maynot need to be as overtly
dangerous as you think you needto. Sure. And I think there's
something to that even when youare in your most dangerous.

(44:16):
Right? I think I think trulydangerous men some of the most
truly dangerous men I know youwouldn't know.

Danny (44:25):
I know.

Tyler (44:26):
You wouldn't know.

Danny (44:26):
Isn't that crazy?

Tyler (44:27):
And I think that's it. That's that is that is how you
know you know what I mean? Like,you you get to know them, and
you get to know their past. Youget to know the kind of work
they've done, and they arethey're just humble. They're
kind.
They've seen some dark things,and so they know they don't need
to go there, but they are readyto turn it on if need be.

Danny (44:48):
Yeah.

Tyler (44:48):
And they won't fight fair.

Danny (44:50):
It was funny because, I was having a conversation with,
one of with somebody the otherday, and they were talking about
how they were training jiujitsu, and the person that they
were training with is a is ahigher belt.

Tyler (45:03):
Mhmm.

Danny (45:03):
And they were saying how they knew just enough jiu jitsu
to understand and to respect howmuch more jiu jitsu this person
knew, and they were will theythey they it kinda, like, light
light bulb went on about, like,how they knew just enough

(45:24):
jujitsu to know that this personwas just so much more jujitsu
Yeah. Knowledge, and and youcould understand and kinda speak
the language a little bit. So itwas it made it fun

Tyler (45:38):
Yeah.

Danny (45:38):
For them to know how much more that person had

Tyler (45:44):
Had. Had.

Danny (45:44):
Where you can go? Respect. You're like, man. Yeah.
That person had so much more,and so when you're around those
people and you want to stay inthat, you know, air quotes,
dangerous, dangerous areadangerous era or or, you know,
you're you wanna stay dangerous.

Tyler (46:06):
Right.

Danny (46:06):
Don't just don't pass on being grateful for the people
around you and

Tyler (46:11):
what

Danny (46:11):
they've given to you. You know? Right. And when you need
to pass it on to a younger manor to a to to your people,
remind them that it's a code.Yes.
It's a code that you live by.Right. It's not it's not today.
It's not tomorrow. It's, like,every day, this is what I live.
This is what I want to do, andthis is the path that I wanna
forge.

Tyler (46:32):
Yeah. I think that's like it's if you think of ding danger
as, like, a currency, right, itit it's converted from physical
to mental. Sure. Right? And soperhaps the the mental game is
what you can what you arelearning about yourself and what
you can what you can pass down.
And while they can accomplishthe physical because of youth,

(46:55):
because of age, you know,perhaps they don't always have
the the skill set to rein it in.Right? And that's where you

Danny (47:02):
Oh, yeah. Yeah. For sure. You know

Tyler (47:04):
what I mean? You you you change the game. And so I'm
still I'm maybe I'm 50, 60 yearsold. I'm not as physically
dangerous, but am I

Danny (47:12):
I agree.

Tyler (47:13):
Am I crafty? Am I mentally sharp? Am I

Danny (47:16):
Can I set traps?

Tyler (47:17):
Can am I more yeah. Can I set those traps? Yeah. I think
that's exactly it. It it the thecurrency changes from a physical
to a mental.

Danny (47:25):
You probably get a little bit more patient setting traps
as well. Like, you don't have torush it.

Tyler (47:28):
Right.

Danny (47:29):
You probably don't have to force things. Right. As we
get older, your just just youralone. Like, how many times have
you rolled with professor whereyou're, like, just his just his
presence, you know that he has alot more patience

Tyler (47:47):
Yes. A

Danny (47:47):
lot more traps for you. Yeah. And so you have to be very
careful. So that's a dangerousman

Tyler (47:52):
Mhmm.

Danny (47:52):
That you're giving respect. And because you're
around it, you're you'rehonoring his danger.

Tyler (47:58):
Right. Oh, absolutely. And the way those traps are
sprung. Right? Yeah.
Like, he's conserved his energy.So

Danny (48:03):
Yeah.

Tyler (48:03):
Right? He hasn't gone out in the 1st round and, you know
Yeah. Expended it all. He hasplayed his game. He's he's
pulled you into deep I love theconcept of pulling them in I
know.
In a deep water.

Danny (48:14):
A good concept.

Tyler (48:15):
And then and the next thing you know, you're you're
you're broken or you're trappedor you're capped or whatever.

Danny (48:20):
Yeah. And he's treading water, just spinning

Tyler (48:23):
them. Yeah. Yeah. Right? And he's just got you he's just
playing his game, so he's playedthat mental game a little bit
better.

Danny (48:30):
Yeah. And we are gonna get older. Our physical health
is gonna go down. Our fitness isgonna go down. We can we can, we
can help that by breathing

Tyler (48:41):
Mhmm.

Danny (48:42):
By stretching, by staying in our routines, by avoiding,
you know, the pitfalls of ofthings that can cause mental
tiredness, fatigue, and andphysical fatigue and keeping our
gas tanks. I like to wheneverI'm talking to our youth, our
young our young wrestlers, I'malways I always remind them they

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have a mental gas tank, anemotional gas tank, a physical
gas tank, and they keep thosethings full as they possibly
can. And as a coach or a mentoror a dad, your job is to
constantly check your kids' gastank. Hey. How is your how are
your gas tanks?
Can I help fill those gas tanks?Because you would do that with a
car.

Tyler (49:22):
Yeah.

Danny (49:22):
You know? But so you're you're you were we're an engine.
So I always, like, remind, like,hey. How's your gas tanks? You
know?
Yeah. How are you feeling aboutthings? And maybe you can help,
fill

Tyler (49:32):
some of those

Danny (49:32):
gas tanks and and Yeah. Help them.

Tyler (49:36):
And especially with young men, don't stifle the danger.
Don't stifle it. You know?

Danny (49:36):
Help help, like, help mold that danger so that they
can feel danger so they can goand go through those tribal
rituals, those tribal

Tyler (49:55):
I I smothered tapped all the white belts yesterday.

Danny (49:58):
Good.

Tyler (49:58):
Right? They deserve They're to all of them.

Danny (50:01):
Nice. Yeah. Yeah.

Tyler (50:02):
You know, and I think, yeah, I think that's exactly it.
You you you play the game. Wepass it down. Yeah. We are you
you you find your tribe.
You build your code. You findyour tribe. You find you find
your tribe that helps, whereyour code aligns. Right? Like, I
I I've I've seen myself go froma one group of friends to

(50:22):
another group of friends, and,again, I'm similar like you.
I keep my I keep my friend grouptight because they represent who
I want to be, and there there'llbe times where I need to level
up. Right? And if they're nothelping me level up, then I'm
gonna go out and find thosepeople that'll help me level up.
Yeah. Don't stagnate.

Danny (50:42):
Yeah. Don't focus on it. Keep your internal, self worth,
self discipline, and confidence.Keep it keep it high and and
keep the people around you. Keepthem keep have them have the
same values, and so be carefulof your stereotypes and your
your attitudes and

Tyler (51:04):
Right.

Danny (51:04):
Stereotypical, you know, toxic male personality bullshit.
Like, it's it's a stereotype.

Tyler (51:13):
Yeah. When I saw when I served on my mission, we were
out on a lot of Indianreservations. A lot of Rez Dogs.
Lot of Rez Dogs. And the RezDogs that you knew you you know,
there's always the loud Rez Dog,the one that's barking at you
and snarling at you.
You didn't really need to bethat scared about it. It was the
one that, like, is kindaslinking slinking around to your

(51:36):
back. That's the one you had tokinda keep your eye on because
that was the one that was gonnabite you.

Danny (51:39):
Yeah.

Tyler (51:40):
The the quiet one, the the one that was calculated and
meticulous. And I think thatthat the same is true. I think
that's what we've we were tryingto drive home here is that, you
know, there are ways to maintainkind of your, quote, unquote
dangerous persona For sure. Wellinto the later later parts of
your life. Yep.

Danny (52:00):
And it could be just the fact that people, you know,
visualize you or see you

Tyler (52:04):
Right.

Danny (52:05):
As dangerous. Right. Like you said like you said, we we
surround ourself with some menthat you would honestly have no
idea the things that they'vedone, the things that they've
seen, the level of danger thatthey've pursued.

Tyler (52:20):
Yeah.

Danny (52:21):
You would have 0 zero knowledge that they did that
Yeah. Or that they were thatthat they were capable of that
kind of Yeah. Run to thefirefight danger.

Tyler (52:32):
Yeah.

Danny (52:32):
You know? And, that's how you should mimic yourself.

Tyler (52:37):
I I think so. I I think so. And and

Danny (52:40):
You don't need to be £400 of steroid muscles to be
dangerous. Mm-mm. You don't needto call another man out to be
dangerous. You don't have topick on another man to be
dangerous. Nope.
You don't have to pick at onpeople to be dangerous. Mm-mm.
You just have to carry yourselfin a way that at any point in

(53:00):
time, you know, you'll stand onbusiness. You'll hold your
ground.

Tyler (53:03):
Mhmm.

Danny (53:04):
And if if things get escalated Oh, yeah. You're okay
to get there. Yep. You know?

Tyler (53:09):
Yeah.

Danny (53:10):
And I believe that about you. I I think that you have
those qualities. I know that,you work hard on on those
things. You know? And when youstruggle, you're completely fine
accepting defeat and asking forhelp.
Yeah. You know? I think that'sgood.

Tyler (53:24):
Yeah. No. Thank you. I and I think I definitely
surrounded my myself with withdangerous men like you who've
caught my arm in an arm bar andtold me that you're gonna
fucking break my arm off.

Danny (53:33):
And so,

Tyler (53:34):
yeah, the the feeling is mutual, and I think that's what
I love about our our littlecommunity, and the way we push
each other. Yeah. So if you'relooking for ways to to sharpen
your sword, man, come join us.Park City jiu jitsu. Man, what
else you got going on besideswrestling?
Resting. Rosslyn.

Danny (53:50):
Right? Wrestling.

Tyler (53:51):
Keeps you out of the snow, though. Right?

Danny (53:52):
It does keep me out of the snow, and it keeps me where
I wanna be, which is in the gymand with on the mats. Yeah. So,
man, just we we have about about16 days till our first contact.

Tyler (54:10):
Mhmm.

Danny (54:10):
We have an inner squad duel, which is just, our team
against each other, where wekinda showcase our kids and
showcase our talent, showcasethe coaches, showcase what Park
City Wrestling's about. Oh. Sowe're building our staff right
now. We've got some good momsand some good parents and some
good guys around, Tripp and I.We're we're, like I said, about

(54:32):
16 days from 1st contact, whichis 1st dual meet, and then 1st
tournament is the 5th 6th, and7th December.
That's our first, contact, andthen we're after that, it goes
till about the middle ofFebruary. It's kinda weird this
year because, we havedivisionals, which is where you
qualify for state. Then I go toFlorida, come home, and then we

(54:55):
have state the next couple ofdays.

Tyler (54:56):
Oh, yeah. So that's

Danny (54:57):
gonna be a little weird. Gonna be a little weird. Misty
and I are thriving. Gosh. Weman, she set up Christmas
already, and we're our house isChristmas.
It's kinda nice. Like, you know,I enjoy when she's excited about
that kind of stuff because sheloves it, but we got a Christmas

(55:19):
village. We inherited it, and weput it up, and we and we keep
adding to it. And it's a DickensChristmas village. It's just a
small village with lights, andthey're ceramic, and it is
awesome.
I love it.

Tyler (55:30):
That's cool.

Danny (55:31):
And we we we set we set that up in our house, and so
it's our it's our our shiningour shining decoration that we
Yeah.

Tyler (55:39):
That's cool.

Danny (55:40):
Gone. So it's cool. What do you got going on?

Tyler (55:42):
Man, I just training, just work, just school.

Danny (55:45):
How was your trip?

Tyler (55:46):
Oh, it was awesome, man. I,

Danny (55:49):
Where'd you go?

Tyler (55:51):
I I snuck out last week. I just needed to get out of
town. I had ended up in Durango.

Danny (55:57):
Those pictures you sent in Moab were sick.

Tyler (55:59):
So I drove wind down Wednesday night to Moab. It's
Salt Flats. If you've never beenthere, that's where, like, the
infamous Hell's Revenge. That'swhere Slickrock is. That's where
all the mountain biking trails.
But if you drive through thereall the way to the top, there's
a open space campground like ait's a campground. It's free,
but it's it's pretty primal.

Danny (56:21):
The pictures were insane.

Tyler (56:23):
Yeah. And it's basically, it's called Porcupine Rim.

Danny (56:25):
Okay.

Tyler (56:25):
Right? So you basically look out over what they call
Castle Valley, and it's justlike I don't know how high you
are up there, but, like, you'rehigh.

Danny (56:34):
Yeah.

Tyler (56:35):
And you look off the edge, and it's just like you get
vertigo. I was like, woah. I gotdizzy. I I was dizzy looking
down.

Danny (56:42):
It was cool to see the Bronco out there in the blue
skies. Yeah. The whole thing waslike, dang.

Tyler (56:46):
Yeah. It was awesome. So I spent Wednesday night getting
down there. I mean, I leftaround 1 and got pulled into
pulled into to Moab about 4.

Danny (56:55):
Were you by yourself?

Tyler (56:56):
Yeah. Wow. Just gassed up.

Danny (56:58):
Was there anybody around you? Did you have any campers
near you? Mm-mm.

Tyler (57:02):
Wow.

Danny (57:02):
Yeah. Just you and the stars?

Tyler (57:04):
It's me and the stars.

Danny (57:06):
How primal was that?

Tyler (57:07):
It was pretty cool, mostly because it was cold.
There was snow on the ground.It's about 26 degrees snow on
the ground.

Danny (57:13):
Left. You were you were saying that the only thing I'm
worried about is how cold Imight get.

Tyler (57:17):
Yeah. 10 held up well, and I actually wasn't too cold,
like, once I got all my sleepingbag and stuff on. I didn't want
you know, next time I'm gonnadrug myself because I did not
sleep well. I was warm. It wasjust kinda like the tossing and
turning.
Like, you know, I've got a theygot a rooftop tent, a 0 you

(57:37):
know, 23 0, and it's likethey're great tents, just just
not enough padding. Woke up alittle soft stiff. And so then I
made my way down to Mesa Verde.

Danny (57:46):
Okay.

Tyler (57:47):
I spent Thursday in Mesa Verde

Danny (57:49):
That area.

Tyler (57:50):
Just kinda poking around Cortez, drove into Durango to
kinda hang out, meet up with mymom, but then ended up back out
in Mesa Verde at a kind of adispersed campground. And there
was a a they call itboondocking. Right? So it was
like a group of peopleboondocking, and this was a
boondocking location. So there'speople that built a big campfire

(58:13):
and, you know, just kinda pullup your

Danny (58:16):
your go hang out with them at all?

Tyler (58:17):
Or I wouldn't I wouldn't walked around. I would kind of
introduce myself and yeah. But,you know, I didn't really hang
out too late because I got Istayed in Durango till later,
and so I I was pretty prettybeat. I think it was, like, 9 or
10 by the time I

Danny (58:30):
I was stoked on your pictures. I thought that that
was cool that you went out thereand

Tyler (58:33):
Yeah.

Danny (58:33):
I know you you were taught you were you had you were
tossing around the idea oftrying to get out of there, and
then all of a sudden you werelike, hey, dude. I'm leaving.

Tyler (58:39):
Yeah.

Danny (58:39):
I'm heading out, and I was like, oh, this is so cool.
But, you know, I was glad. I wasproud of you for making that
decision because it's one ofthose things where you, like,
kind of want Yeah. To see yougo, but you're like you could
tell you were like, I got somuch shit I gotta do. Yeah.
Yeah. And then you bombed out ofhere, and you're like, yeah,
dude.

Tyler (58:55):
It was awesome. I loved Durango. I loved Durango. Oh,
yeah. Such a cool area.
Had some had an amazing greenchile bur burger. Oh. We just
don't have good green chilehere. It's, like, not a thing.
Yeah.
Did you get in Arizona at allgrowing up much like the
southwestern region?

Danny (59:12):
Green chile. I mean, like, my my the way my
grandparents made green chile isa little different than my wife.
Oh, really? I have a friend thatmakes an amazing green chile.
Yeah.
He's from New his parents arefrom New Mexico. Yeah. He has
good green chile. And so yeah.So great, man.
I'm stoked. Great topic. Great.

Tyler (59:31):
Yeah. Thank

Danny (59:31):
you. Good job. Hope that, hopefully, we covered a couple
things that we

Tyler (59:38):
I think so. Yeah. I think I I I think I think we we left
it all out there, man. We leftit all out there. And if, you
don't think we're dangerous,come check us out.
Park City Jujitsu.

Danny (59:47):
Park City Jujitsu.

Tyler (59:48):
Happy Thanksgiving. This will be coming out Black Friday.
Yeah. This episode comes outBlack Friday. So hopefully, you
all have had a a greatThanksgiving with your family
and spent some time resting,eating a little pumpkin pie.
And, 1st and foremost, I'mgrateful for you.

Danny (01:00:02):
Grateful for you. Yeah. Yeah.

Tyler (01:00:03):
Cheers, everybody.

Danny (01:00:04):
Cheers. Take care.