Standing on Business: Loyalty, Rivalries, and When to Draw the Line

In this episode of The Lost Boy Scouts, Danny and Tyler explore what it means to "stand on business" and the importance of loyalty in various facets of life. From reflections on Thanksgiving and family reconciliation to intense rivalries on and off the mat, they explore the moments that challenge our values and require us to choose where we draw the line.

The duo shares personal stories from the jiu-jitsu world, dissecting a contentious one-star review that sparked a discussion about gym loyalty, respect, and the fine line between healthy competition and bad behavior. They also discuss the intersection of sports, aggression, and tribalism, referencing everything from Michigan vs. Ohio State to the infamous "Malice at the Palace."

On a more somber note, Danny and Tyler pay tribute to Kevin, a beloved member of the motorcycle community, and discuss the risks and camaraderie that come with riding.

Join us for an episode filled with humor, raw emotion, and thought-provoking discussions about standing up for what matters most and knowing when to walk away.

In This Episode:

• Reflecting on Thanksgiving and family dynamics
• Gym Loyalty and the Challenges of cross-gym Training
• Rivalries in sports: when competition becomes contentious
• The blurred lines between defending your honor and going too far
• A heartfelt tribute to Kevin and the motorcycle community
• ATC Jeremy’s Instagram for information on Kevin’s wake and family donation support.
• Follow us on Instagram: @LostBoyScouts.

Thank you for tuning in! Don’t forget to rate, review, and share the episode if it resonates with you. 🙌

Episode Transcript

Danny (00:07):
Welcome to the Lost Boy Scouts podcast. Do we have to do
that anymore?

Tyler (00:10):
I don't know. We we yeah. I mean, I don't know.

Danny (00:14):
Yeah. We so we clap into, for just for, Yeah. To know
where we are at with the Yeah.Maybe the recording systems.

Tyler (00:22):
Maybe, yeah, maybe next year is the year that we, like,
change up the intro and stuff

Danny (00:26):
because we've

Tyler (00:27):
been running the same intro for 2 years.

Danny (00:28):
I love

Tyler (00:28):
it. 2 years. I do too.

Danny (00:30):
You got new digs.

Tyler (00:32):
Yeah.

Danny (00:32):
New camera equipment.

Tyler (00:33):
New camera equipment.

Danny (00:35):
New new, recording devices, which is awesome.

Tyler (00:38):
Yeah. Trying to level it up. Make it simpler. I did a
whole I did yard sale, man. Isold all of my camera kit
equipment, simplified it down toone camera.
Used to be a Canon guy, made theleap to Sony, and I'm hoping
Sony is I'm hoping we down. Wehad the whole GoPro. Remember
the whole GoPro fiasco in theearly days?

Danny (00:57):
My gosh.

Tyler (00:58):
So now we're shooting Sony. They are it's a hybrid
hybrid mirrorless setup that,like, everybody I've talked to,
like, says, this is the way togo. 100 and 20 minutes not
needing to stop. We can recordwithout having to pause and,
like and that just makes iteasier post post editing and
those kind of things. And so

Danny (01:15):
Well, it's crazy because when I came over here and I was
like, hey. Can we see ourselveson the big TV? And you're like,
well, the GoPro with and withthat the cords.

Tyler (01:26):
Yeah. Yeah. So I've gotta find another adapter. Like, it's
weird what camera support, like,which output options, and I I
didn't really think about it,but I tossed a I tossed a cable
in my decluttering that I couldhave used in it with this camera
setup. But, you know, you know,cables are the the the new
plastic bags.
Pretty soon, the they'll beoutlined cables and you know,

(01:48):
because they're just ending upin landfill. So I'll just buy
the cable. Just buy the cable.Buy the cable.

Danny (01:52):
There'll be a different way of doing things. Mhmm. We
just, finished up our end ofyear business meeting. Yeah. It
is a business model that was

Tyler (02:00):
Yeah.

Danny (02:02):
We we ironed out some things. We figured out which
direction to go with a couplethings.

Tyler (02:06):
It's insane how fast this year went. Yeah. Insane. It's
it's unbelievable that it's likewe just had Thanksgiving. How
was your Thanksgiving?

Danny (02:14):
It was amazing. Yeah. It

Tyler (02:15):
was So

Danny (02:16):
much to

Tyler (02:17):
be grateful for this year.

Danny (02:18):
Well and so, I've kinda talked about this before that,
there was some contention in myfamily where, my mom and Misty
had a falling out almost about 5years ago. And we've seen each
other. We'd go around eachother, but, my mom and Misty
have very strong personalities.

Tyler (02:37):
Yeah.

Danny (02:37):
But they also have, this love for each other.

Tyler (02:41):
Right.

Danny (02:41):
This insane love for each

Tyler (02:43):
other. Yeah.

Danny (02:43):
And I think that they both felt like the other had let
them down, and they didn't knowhow to get past it without each
other getting past it. Right?And so, I kinda talked about
that my mom had a stroke

Tyler (02:57):
Yeah.

Danny (02:58):
A while back, and my mom said, okay. Enough is enough.
Enough is enough. I Yeah. We'regonna we're gonna figure this
out.
Misty and I are gonna get backto normal, and I I didn't know
how to fix it. I mean, I waslike, you know, I'm team Misty.
I love my mom.

Tyler (03:13):
Yeah. But I'm team You have to. You have to be. Right?

Danny (03:15):
And so we didn't know how to fix it. I I I tried a couple
times. Yeah.

Tyler (03:18):
When it's is is it's not really your your job. Right? The
more you insert yourself, themore you get involved.

Danny (03:23):
And I don't wanna get involved. Right.

Tyler (03:25):
You wanna put yourself in the in between

Danny (03:26):
2 caps. Idea.

Tyler (03:27):
You might get scratched. You might get scratched.

Danny (03:30):
But, you know, and my brothers and sisters and I got
together, and and we we we hashsome things out, and then my mom
and Misty talked. And it's init's crazy to me because, you
know, we grew up together.

Tyler (03:43):
Yeah.

Danny (03:44):
Misty and I have been together since we were 17. So
Misty is in my sister's eyes,Misty is their sister. Yeah.
They don't know any differentwithout Misty. Yeah.
You know? So they were all, hurtby this whole thing. Yeah. And
so, we had our first familyparty with everybody

Tyler (04:03):
It's incredible.

Danny (04:04):
That we could get there. You know, Braxton's not in town.
Yeah. My older sister'sdaughter's not in town. But as
many as we could get together,we had at our house a couple
weeks ago or a couple weekendsago, and it was it was awesome.
It was so fun. We had such agood time, and and my mom was
really happy. She was really,thankful for that whole thing.
But it it also showed me that,how important, cleaning up some

(04:27):
of that bullshit is. Right.
You know? Because if you leavethat on the table and something
happens, that's on the table.Yeah. You know? And I I would
hate for that thing kind ofthing to happen, and, Misty
jumped on a plane today with myfamily to go to Disneyland,
which is crazy.
Landmark. Landmark. It was good.The actual Thanksgiving day, I
worked, and it was so boring atwork. It was, like, 5, spikes of

(04:52):
about 5 minutes where there wasa lot of airplanes, but there
would be times when there'd bemore controllers in the room
than, actual planes on thescope.

Tyler (05:01):
That's interesting because I heard the fry like,
the or the what? Wednesdaybefore was supposed to be, like,
record setting number of planesin the sky for the FAA. Some
news source I heard.

Danny (05:11):
Yeah. You know, I don't know the difference of what of
of if it is good or if it isbad. We have I I can tell you
that certain areas of my job hasblown up, you know, as far as,
piloting and and airplanes, butthen there's other times when
it's like we've been able todumb things down where it's not

(05:33):
really that bad. You know? Yeah.
But I went to Misty's dad afterMisty's dad's afterwards, and
it's always crazy to go up therebecause that's all another
dynamic of family that like, Idon't you know, I'm I'm close
with Misty's dad and Misty'smom. I'm I'm close with him. I'm
I'm really close with Misty'sdad, and him and I, like, we

(05:54):
have, like, so many funconversations. I let him drive
the Tesla, and you should'veseen his face. Yeah.
He should've seen his entire,demeanor getting into that car
and driving it. He was like, I'mdriving a spaceship. Imagine,
but a a 75 I don't know how oldmissus dad. I think he's 72, 70
3 ish.

Tyler (06:14):
Yeah.

Danny (06:14):
You know? Cowboy, grew up riding horses, grew up riding
horses. He he he used to, runcattle on the streets that we
grew up on. His family rancattle from the Great Salt Lake
to the mountains every year fromand then they would run him from
Idaho down south and back upnorth. And he ran cattle from it
was time he was a boy, like,little boy.

(06:35):
So to see now for him riding ahorse as his first vehicle to a
Tesla, his mind was like, whatthe world is going on here? So
it was really fun. It was, itwas it was a good day. And,
yeah, we Braxton wasn't in town,but I talked to him twice, and
he's he's doing good. I thinkhis date to go back to North
Carolina is January 22nd, sohe's almost done with this

(06:58):
deployment.
And then Nice. That should beit. That should be Yeah. You
should be wrapping shit up inthe army and stuff. So what'd
you guys do?

Tyler (07:05):
Man, went down to my dad's house. I think it was
probably one of the firstThanksgivings I've had with him
since, man, probably when I wasa teenager.

Danny (07:15):
Oh, wow.

Tyler (07:17):
Just different personality issues, different
issues with with him and with usgetting along and, really kind
of highlights the dysfunction Ihad in my own relationship.
Right? We kind of alwaysfollowed my ex's family around.

Danny (07:33):
Oh, okay.

Tyler (07:34):
Right? There was a there was a level of of unrecognized
codependency there that I thinkthat, I didn't realize now
until, you know, I kind ofreally separated, and I just
took a step back and I said,it's like you get your head
above water, and you're like,oh, what what was that

Danny (07:50):
all about? Yeah.

Tyler (07:51):
Yeah. So it was good. It was good. Cozy. Unfortunately,
my youngest was not feelingsuper hot, but it was kind of a,
nice nice little out.
We, you know, we hung out andplayed games for a little bit,
but then eventually, she was somiserable. I was just like, we
gotta get her on. We get her

Danny (08:04):
to bed. Did Brynn go down? Yeah. Everybody went down?

Tyler (08:07):
We had everyone down. We're taking family pictures.

Danny (08:09):
This is cool.

Tyler (08:10):
And, like, I'm seeing Cozy's face. Everybody's
smiling, and she's like, well

Danny (08:15):
how was Doug?

Tyler (08:16):
He's good. He's doing real good. I mean, I think he
has good days and and and baddays. Right? Like, I think

Danny (08:20):
Has he recovered from everything that happened?

Tyler (08:23):
Yeah. His his he had obviously had the big he had the

Danny (08:25):
Big fall.

Tyler (08:26):
The big fall, the shoulder surgery. Like, he's
he's definitely recovered. Thethe my brother, I think, has
really it really aged him. Itreally it really did age him. I
think he it's been awesome.
He's been a lot morecommunicative and the fact that
he's reached out. He's reachingout more often and and checking
in and, you know, a lot of timesI felt like that was on me. And

(08:49):
so it's just it's inspired me toto reach out more and just kind
of repair that relationshipwhere necessary. And, yeah.

Danny (08:57):
Who cooked the turkey?

Tyler (08:58):
He did. He smoked it.

Danny (08:59):
He did.

Tyler (09:00):
Smoked it.

Danny (09:00):
We smoked ours too. Yeah. It was good. Yeah. It was fun.

Tyler (09:03):
It's it's it's a process. Right? Like, it takes a long ass
time to

Danny (09:07):
Yeah. It's it's yeah. Yeah. It's well, you know, like,
for me, I had to spatchcock thething, which was still to me one
of the funniest words they usedto be.

Tyler (09:15):
Yeah.

Danny (09:16):
Oh, you know, spatchcock thing. But we, yeah, we smoked
ours for, I wanna say, about 8hours. Okay. Pretty low.

Tyler (09:28):
Yeah.

Danny (09:30):
But, you know, you have to brine it. You have to do all
this crazy. You know, you dothat shit. I woke up at 4
o'clock in the morning thinkingI'm just gonna cut this thing
and spatchcock it.

Tyler (09:43):
Yeah.

Danny (09:43):
It took me an hour, Tyler, to cut this thing. And I
was trying to be quiet becausepeople are still sleeping, and I
was so damn frustrated. Icouldn't get the thing. I was my
cabinets or my, my countertopsare not that tall, but I'm
short. So I couldn't get theleverage to break the breast
bone.
Oh. Stand on top

Tyler (10:04):
of that screen.

Danny (10:05):
Oh my gosh, dude. I was like it was so flustering.

Tyler (10:08):
I saw a social media clip. 1 of my friends one of my
coworkers' husbands used his hisbig old tree trimming shears.
Oh, you did? He washed them upand, like, just trimmed through

Danny (10:20):
that Dude.

Tyler (10:21):
That bone.

Danny (10:21):
I should've had something like that. Yeah.

Tyler (10:23):
You need, yeah, you need to

Danny (10:24):
have something that will cut through the bone. I did not.
I had to saw through the damnthing. Yeah. It was frustrating,
but it actually turned out good.
You know, we ate too much. Myboss, he brought bought some
smoked turkeys on Thursday, andthe they brought to work, and so
that was kinda good. Yeah.Smoked turkeys are good. Yeah.
I've never had a deep friedturkey. You?

Tyler (10:42):
Yes. That's the only way I've ever cooked it.

Danny (10:44):
You did?

Tyler (10:45):
I've I've people this

Danny (10:46):
shit up, though, did you?

Tyler (10:47):
No. Well, I mean, they tell you like, you watch the
horror videos the first timeyou're gonna do it. If you don't
if you do it cold, like, if youdon't do your research, you're
liable to to,

Danny (10:56):
yeah, have a fireball.

Tyler (10:58):
If you see

Danny (10:59):
them with people that put it on their countertop and jump
in.

Tyler (11:01):
Yes. Yes.

Danny (11:02):
The the the fires

Tyler (11:04):
Or when they put it in frozen, and it's just like it's
just an eruption. Yeah. Can youimagine cleaning peanut oil off
of your ceiling?

Danny (11:11):
Oh, by that point, you sell the house.

Tyler (11:13):
Yeah. You know? Or just burn let it burn down. Down. One
of those

Danny (11:16):
Yeah.

Tyler (11:17):
Thanksgiving burn down stories.

Danny (11:19):
Yeah. What a crazy thing. Like, do you like turkey?

Tyler (11:22):
I do. I'm a little sad. I don't I didn't get any
leftovers. Last year, I didn'teat any I didn't even eat any
Thanksgiving at all.

Danny (11:30):
I remember.

Tyler (11:30):
This year, I didn't have any I made pies, though, so we
got some pumpkin pie.

Danny (11:34):
I do not like turkey.

Tyler (11:35):
And you don't like turkey?

Danny (11:36):
Not really. Not not I mean, I like I'm a dark meat
person.

Tyler (11:40):
Yeah. Yeah.

Danny (11:40):
You know? But I'm not a big turkey fan. I'll eat it, you
know, but I'm I'm pretty picky.

Tyler (11:47):
Yeah.

Danny (11:47):
And so I pick at it. I I would prefer not to eat it. My
wife always gets fat at me. Myfather-in-law made me a plate.
He sent me aside food, and he'slike, hey, Danny.
Don't forget your plate. And Igot in my car pretending like I
didn't hear him. My my wife islike, you're such an asshole.
And then he's like, Danny,Danny. And I was like he's still
like, Danny, like, I didn'thear.
He texted me, you're such anasshole. But, yeah, dude. I'm

(12:12):
not a big turkey fan. I I like alot of the things I'm, but,
yeah, I'm not a big

Tyler (12:17):
Not a big turkey fan.

Danny (12:18):
At all. Yeah.

Tyler (12:19):
It's, I will say that, like, I it smoking it is the
driest I've ever had it. Yeah. Ithink it makes it really dry.
When you fry it in peanut oil,it is, like, very moist, very

Danny (12:30):
Is it?

Tyler (12:30):
Yeah. It's a little bit better.

Danny (12:32):
Yeah.

Tyler (12:32):
But you're right. I I could see how, like plus you eat
it, get all that tryptophan. Youjust wanna take a nap.

Danny (12:37):
Take a nap? Yeah. Yeah. It's weird how that happens.
Right?
We had that, everybody was overat my house, and after we all
ate, you could see everybody wasjust like, oh, okay. Really and
they all had an hour drive home,you know, and me and Misty just
had to clean up, but it it wasit was fun. I'm glad you got to
spend the time with the dad.

Tyler (12:55):
It was it was a lot like I said, lots to be thankful for.
Opportunity to really kind of,you know, be with family and
Good. Just, yeah, just great.

Danny (13:03):
Will you get to see Casey and the boys anytime soon?

Tyler (13:06):
Oh, yeah. Actually, my cousins, they did something
spectacular. They

Danny (13:12):
they bought

Tyler (13:13):
a bench at at a park near his house. And so they're
supposed to do a tree lightingand and may have already
happened, but I'm thinking maybedepending on whether or not I
have my kids, I may go out andsurprise them.

Danny (13:25):
Just before the holidays.

Tyler (13:26):
Just before the holidays. Or right after

Danny (13:27):
Yeah.

Tyler (13:28):
I haven't talked

Danny (13:28):
to Casey in a in a minute.

Tyler (13:29):
I've just kinda given her some space to

Danny (13:31):
The boys.

Tyler (13:32):
To be her. I talk to the boys weekly because they have
their they have their phones.You know? So I can just text
them. I texted Grayson on mynephew on on Thanksgiving, and,
you know, I try to I try toreach out to them weekly or
biweekly and just just talk tothem.

Danny (13:45):
We're kinda talking about how, like, the year the how the
year blew flew by for you. Yeah.And how you know, you and I were
talking the other day about,like, when the anniversary is
coming up because I rememberbeing at the wrestling gym Yeah.
When you called, and then Iremember the, you know, the the
aftermath of everything Yeah.That was going on.

(14:07):
So, like, it's gotta be,bittersweet and and
understanding that, like, howfast life moves on from things.
Right?

Tyler (14:14):
Yeah. It's it's strange because, like, it is coming
we're coming up on a yearanniversary. Right? It'll be in
January. Right?
Like, the end of January wouldbe your anniversary, but it's
like life has moved on, but atthe same time, it it hasn't.
Right? Like, it's it's it'sdefinitely changed. There's been
a a change to homeostasis in inthe system. Yeah.
Right? And we haven't quitecompletely adapted to that

(14:36):
change, and I think that'llthat'll take some time. And
while, you know, it it won't beas tragic at the year
anniversary, it'll be a timefor, you know, kinda remembering
and, you know, never forgetting.But

Danny (14:46):
Yeah.

Tyler (14:47):
Yeah. They they don't I don't know that we've all
completely adapted to to to thechange.

Danny (14:52):
Nor nor is it expected to be that. Yeah. You know? Yeah.
Like, it it's a it's a weirdit's a weird dichotomy of things
of, like, I'm I'm, I know thisis coming up, but my life is so
good right now.

Tyler (15:11):
Yeah. I

Danny (15:11):
know this is coming up, and I'm supposed to be sad.
Yeah. And I have these things.I'm so sad, but but but my life
is so good right now. Yeah.
You know, you have a lot of goodthings going for you.
Absolutely. And you have youhave a lot of people in your
corner that are cheering for youYeah. To to to be to to to see
Yeah. Come through with some ofthe things that you've already
committed to.

Tyler (15:32):
Yeah. Yeah. And, I mean, I think that's it. I think
that's what Nick would want. Idon't think he would want
sadness.
You know? You know, there'sdefinitely I know my mom was
feeling it over Thanksgiving aswell. She's like Yeah. Her her
holiday tradition was to go overto his house and

Danny (15:44):
Oh, yeah.

Tyler (15:45):
With him being gone, I know she she felt it.

Danny (15:47):
What does she end up doing?

Tyler (15:48):
She went with her her her half brother, stepbrother, her
half brother in in Colorado. Shewent with him and his family.

Danny (15:55):
Oh.

Tyler (15:56):
He's a cool guy. He's a he's a he's a pilot.

Danny (15:59):
Oh, really?

Tyler (15:59):
Yeah. For American. He's a trainer. He does a lot of
training for Yeah.

Danny (16:02):
That's cool.

Tyler (16:02):
American.

Danny (16:03):
Good for him. Yeah.

Tyler (16:04):
He's in the air force too, in air force as well. Yeah.
Nice. Yeah.

Danny (16:06):
We'll get him and I would get along for sure. Yeah. Yeah.
Sure. That's cool.

Tyler (16:10):
Yeah. Uncle Christopher. He's a good dude.

Danny (16:12):
Oh, good. Yeah. So, the topic tonight came about because
first things first, we postedthis all over Instagram with,
you

Tyler (16:23):
The review.

Danny (16:25):
And you were there when he when that guy was there.
Correct?

Tyler (16:30):
I was not.

Danny (16:31):
No. You were not.

Tyler (16:31):
I saw the review first the first time I saw the review,
it, like, popped up in my

Danny (16:36):
Instagram feed.

Tyler (16:37):
It well, it popped up my Google alerts after our little,
after our little

Danny (16:44):
Reddit?

Tyler (16:44):
Reddit incident.

Danny (16:45):
Yeah.

Tyler (16:45):
I set up a Google alert anytime Park City jujitsu or boy
scout lost boy scouts ismentioned just so I'm kind of
aware of those things. And, whenit posted, it popped up, and I
just kinda chuckled.

Danny (16:58):
I thought for some reason, I thought you were
there. It was such a fun night.It was such a fun night. So we
have drop ins. People drop in tothe academy all the time.
Like, peep we go to, we go toother academies, and people drop
into our academies. There's only2 academies in Park City.
There's the Gracie Barra andthen our academy. Gracie Barra,

(17:19):
I guess, is kind of like a,franchise of sorts for
academies, and they they have wehave a lot of guys that train
there that said that they theytell us the stories from there.
I've never been there.
I know some guys that trainthere, and they're cool. I'm I'm
friends with them. That's justnot the way that I mean, that's
not the way that I do things.I'm kind of Right. You know,
when you're in our academy,you're a loyalist.

(17:40):
You know, you're loyal to ouracademy for the most part. Yeah.
I I have some friends that havegone to Gracie Barra and then
in, Park City, and, I I oftenget a little frustrated that
they left that because of theloyal stuff. Yeah. Yeah.
Being loyal to professor, beingloyal to Mona, then more
importantly, being loyal to eachother and our and our friends.

(18:02):
Right? But you have drop ins.You have people come through all
the time, and some people comeback every year, and you start
to become friends with John and,like, and some of these other
guys that that eventually movedto Park City, and now they're
part of the community. Right?

Tyler (18:14):
Yeah. Yeah.

Danny (18:15):
And and and I remember that gentleman being there and
thinking, oh, he's a he's he'skind of a cool guy.

Tyler (18:23):
He's but but you could tell

Danny (18:24):
he was athletic, and I was thinking, oh, when the
training gets going, I'm gonnamake sure that I go with him
probably first to make surethat, he's a good train. Yeah.
Because we have white beltsthere, and you don't want the
red belt to get hurt.

Tyler (18:37):
Right.

Danny (18:37):
And and they don't know. You don't want the guy to get
hurt with a white belt that thatcould potentially hurt somebody.
You wanna make sure that it'sokay. And, when we started the
rounds, I went with him first,and I remember thinking, like,
he was okay. He was good.
He had long legs, super athleticguy, but then he started
grabbing my legs in this weirdway that I was like, what do you

(18:59):
do? Oh, yeah. Okay. And I wastrying not to get grumpy because
when guys grab my legs and I'myour 1st train of the day and
and I'm thinking that's what youwanna do, you wanna play the leg
game right away in a gi, andit's so dry already. We were not
you know, it's like, oh,pictures of me.
He he was bigger than me, and Iremember thinking, I need to
make sure that I watch who hegoes with next so he doesn't

(19:21):
hurt the next guy. And don'thurt him, Danny. Don't hurt him
because he's a drop, and youdon't wanna, like Yeah. Be the
guy that runs off somebody whowho potentially would be in our
academy. And then down the line,I remember seeing him going with
people thinking like, oh, man.
He's having a rough go of thingsbecause some of the hammers he

(19:43):
went with some of the hammers.Yeah. Yeah. He did. He went with
Derson, and he, again, hegrabbed Derson's leg weird, and
Derson ended up tapping becauseof the way he grabbed it.
I think he kicked him in thenuts as well. Derson, he kicked
Derson in the nuts, and then hewent with Tripp. And I think
Tripp threw him around a littlebit and, tuned him up pretty

(20:03):
good because of his energy. Butafter each round, he would try
to he would walk off the mat,and professor would say, hey.
We're still going.
You're still in. Because ifyou're not careful, then the
then the the the rounds getmessed up because we do a
circular rotation. Yeah. And Inever thought it was mean.

(20:24):
Never.
I never thought that anybody wasdoing anything dirty to him.
Right. I just think that peoplewere matching his energy and
Right. And especially you gowith the 20 year old

Tyler (20:32):
Yeah.

Danny (20:32):
Purple belt who has zero regards for your feelings.
Right. You know, we love Tripp,but he has zero regards for your
feelings. Yep. If you train withhim, you know, be careful
because Yep.
Man, if you make him mad and hegets grumpy, he's probably gonna
rip your head off. Yep. He's ananimal. Yeah. You know, he's he
is a he is a tough role.
Yep. But you also know that witheverybody.

Tyler (20:54):
Yeah.

Danny (20:55):
And then he went with Anthony, and I remember
thinking, oh, man. I hope hedoesn't get hurt by Anthony.
Because, man, you bring thewrong energy to Anthony, and
that dude is going to hurt you.Yeah. He's a monster.
Yeah. But I remember lookingdown there and being like, oh,
oh, it's good. He's he's havinga good time. Yeah. Anthony's
he's he's doing good.
He's not he's not upsettinganybody. He's he's just there's

(21:17):
some hard trains, and there'ssome not hard trains. That's
what I go through.

Tyler (21:19):
Yeah.

Danny (21:19):
You know, I I I know that there's some hard trains and
some not hard trains, and thenhe left. He was gone. He just
walked off

Tyler (21:27):
after Anthony.

Danny (21:27):
Walked off Anthony, and I was like, man, I wonder what
happened. But I never worryabout it because sometimes not
every gym and this I just heardthis. Not every gym does 20
rounds. We do 20 rounds everyevery night, open mat, 20
rounds. And and

Tyler (21:42):
I and I I'll be I'll be honest. Right? Like, we're what?
How many what's our elevation? Alittle over 7,000 feet in Park
City.
Right? Unless you were some fromsome place, like, in Denver or,
you know, at elevation, theelevation in and itself is going
to impact how you roll more sothan I'm not I'm not saying
we're not killers, but, like,the elevation is going to be a

(22:05):
big contributing factor.Whatever however good you are at
jujitsu, take 10 to 20% off forelevation. I agree. Maybe 30.

Danny (22:12):
And we don't understand it on the first side because we
live at elevation.

Tyler (22:16):
Oh, when we go to Florida?

Danny (22:17):
Yeah. I noticed when we go

Tyler (22:18):
to Florida because I'm like, you totally should have. I
could do it if

Danny (22:21):
it was okay. Yeah. Yeah. And so this is what it's like to
have oxygen. You wake up thenext day

Tyler (22:29):
Yeah.

Danny (22:30):
To a review that's that's just not a good a a one star
review from a guy who has nocontext to things, but he's
saying some crazy shit. Yeah.You know, like the dog comment
where professor says that allthe time. It's a line from a
song.

Tyler (22:47):
Right. I love that in professor like, in the in the
post that he actually playedthis song. Yeah. That section of
this song.

Danny (22:53):
It's a it's a long it's a we all know Zeta. It's just
Yeah. She's the nicest dog inthe world, but this guy leaves a
negative view. And I'm like, I'mso mad at that point because I'm
like, man, I what at what pointin your world do you think that
leaving a negative review onsomething that you have that
that no basis on, like, thatreally does not you're not

(23:15):
giving the full context story.Right?

Tyler (23:17):
Right.

Danny (23:18):
And it's to me, it's like everybody can see that, but it's
not like you can leave a reviewevery day about your lifetime
your your your experience atPark City jiu jitsu. You've been
with us for almost two and ahalf years, 3 years?

Tyler (23:32):
3 years in February.

Danny (23:33):
I've been there for almost 9 years, almost 8 years.
Should I leave a review everyday about how great my
experience is?

Tyler (23:41):
Right.

Danny (23:41):
You know, and and what kind of context is this dude?
Where does he live his lifewhere that he thinks about that
he can leave a review like that?And then people say, oh, yeah.
Have you looked at his, hisreview history? It's like 35 to
40 reviews, almost all of themnegative.

Tyler (23:59):
Right. I think some people live in that life hap
like, he to me, that look thatsounds like a person that's a to
me person. Life is happening to

Danny (24:07):
him Yeah.

Tyler (24:08):
Right, rather than a for me. Right? He didn't he didn't
see that he came out to ParkCity, got his ass kicked, and it
happened to him for a goodreason. Right? Like, right?
Like, he he walked he his egogot in the way, and life
happened to him. He he he hewherever he trained, wherever he
came from, he expected toprobably come in here and and
exert some dominance, and youdon't that's not how you train

(24:29):
cross gym.

Danny (24:30):
Agreed.

Tyler (24:30):
That's not how you train cross gym. I would never wanna
go into some somebody else's gymin a sport I rep like, I
represent and love

Danny (24:39):
Yeah.

Tyler (24:40):
And humiliate their black belt or their purple belt or you
know what I mean? Like, I'llroll. I'll give them my best
shot. If I catch the tap, great.If I don't catch the tap and I
get tapped more, like, that'smost likely what's going to
happen, but

Danny (24:54):
Yeah.

Tyler (24:54):
I'm not I'm not worried about it. I'm I'm there to
learn. And and to be honest, theexposure to people outside of
our academy is really beneficialAgree. To roll with somebody
that's new and different. Itjust changes your game.

Danny (25:04):
It does. Have you ever left a negative review anywhere?

Tyler (25:11):
I think in the early days of Twitter, I had an old Twitter
handle, and I thought that bymaybe tweeting something at the
at the company's Twitter, Itwould it would get me something.
But to be honest, like, I don'thave a lot of time exactly the
negative review. I take thatback. When my house flooded, I
left a negative review of thereal estate company, but that

(25:31):
was at the request of the homeowner Yeah. I understand.
Who was like, hey. It wouldreally help us out if you left a
negative review. And they wereso nice to me getting out that I
was like, sure. I'll do it. Youknow?
But I I I don't typically havethe time to like, I don't care
to leave a negative Well,

Danny (25:49):
yeah, you've had bad experiences at places.

Tyler (25:50):
Oh, sure.

Danny (25:51):
Right? I mean, I've had bad experiences at places. The
the first thing I don't thinkthe first thing I think about
is, like, it's probably just abad experience at the end of
that day. Not once did Ithought, I'm gonna leave a
review

Tyler (26:01):
Right.

Danny (26:01):
So people can read this shit. Because what are they
gonna think about me?

Tyler (26:04):
Right.

Danny (26:05):
I'm so self conscious about that shit. Like, I'll
defend. Now now now there'sthings that I will defend. I'll
defend the academy.

Tyler (26:11):
Yeah. I'll

Danny (26:12):
if if I wear a Park City patch when I go and compete, I
defend it. I'm like, yeah. I'mgoing to war.

Tyler (26:18):
Yeah. You know what I mean? The the I

Danny (26:19):
may lose, but I'm going to war.

Tyler (26:20):
Yeah. And and and there are some there are some things
that are worth that are worthI'm just thinking about my
sorry. I just got completelydistracted. My experience at the
old goat. I got food poisoningthere twice.

Danny (26:32):
I I

Tyler (26:32):
don't know that I don't know that I have the same I have
the same exact thing, and I gotsick again. Yeah.

Danny (26:37):
Oh my gosh. Just a double check-in. Yeah. That's right.
Yeah.

Tyler (26:41):
I don't know. I I may certainly find myself back there
again. Who knows? Just a doublecheck. It is a genuinely has
been a good spot for me.
I've never really had anything,but then have 2. I don't

Danny (26:53):
know when you told me that I went back to the old
goat, and it happened again. I'mthinking, oh my gosh.

Tyler (26:59):
But you gotta really pick your battles. And I think that
there's something about having aNash nationalistic bonds. Like,
the the video, of the footballgame, the college football game.
Yeah. Michigan versus OhioState.
Today. Just today. I mean, thereare some big rivalries.

Danny (27:16):
What was your thoughts about the dude posting the flag
in the middle of I I would havedone the same thing if I was
Ohio State.

Tyler (27:22):
I I I don't I don't I don't fault Ohio State at all at
at all. 1, if I win, I'm walkingoff the I'm walking off the
field, especially if I win away.Like, I'm walking off with my
head held high. I don't need to,like, I don't need to rub it in.
That's a big rivalry.

Danny (27:39):
Huge rivalry.

Tyler (27:40):
That's a big rivalry.

Danny (27:41):
I have no problem taunting. Matter of fact, in my
mind, I'm like, I kinda like thefact that he tried to, like, put
the flag in the middle of thefield. I'm like, I I kinda like
that. Right? But then you go,alright.
Let's say this toxic we like, wetalked about last week. We had
this toxic male personality

Tyler (28:02):
Right.

Danny (28:03):
Where some young kid sees that, and he's like, I'm gonna
go and post the, you know, postmy flag in the middle of the
field. It's like, yeah. That'sthat's gonna happen. But what
are the ramifications? Becausesome, I guess, some of those
guys got sprayed withpeppermint.
Pepper spray?

Tyler (28:16):
Oh, yeah. You saw the you saw the police splitting it up.
Right? And I think the guy that,like, grabbed the flag and then
cut back around That wasawesome. Like, he probably
deserved to get jumped.
Yeah. He he

Danny (28:27):
got the kicked. Yeah.

Tyler (28:28):
He got the flag ripped out of his hands. He pushed
down. Yeah. Like That's right.Ohio State has that flag now in
their locker room.
I'm pretty sure.

Danny (28:35):
Yeah.

Tyler (28:36):
You know what I mean?

Danny (28:36):
On it and dancing on it.

Tyler (28:37):
Right? And who knows what what'll come out. As far as bad
sportsmanship, like, I think Idon't know. I don't know. Like,
football is an inherentlydangerous game.

Danny (28:50):
And lots of lots of lots of lots of lots of aggression.

Tyler (28:53):
Lots of aggression. Right? And, you know, I don't
know. I don't know I don't knowin the realm of sportsmanship.
Like, perhaps on a nationallevel, maybe that's not not the
best way to represent yourschool outside.

Danny (29:06):
Jumping over the fence at UFC and attacking Connor's
entourage.

Tyler (29:11):
Yeah.

Danny (29:11):
You know? Is that is that too much?

Tyler (29:13):
Yeah. Where where what is the what is the line?

Danny (29:15):
What is the Memphis BYU game where the dude's swinging
his helmet around? Yeah. Is thattoo much?

Tyler (29:21):
That's assault. Yeah. The I I think I mean, I think it's
yeah.

Danny (29:26):
What are we defending there? Are you defending are you
defending the your last name?

Tyler (29:31):
Yeah.

Danny (29:31):
You know? I'll defend my last name.

Tyler (29:32):
I'm sure.

Danny (29:33):
I'll defend your honor. I'll I mean, we've had moments
where, you know, I've had totell somebody, no. Tyler's my
friend. You're Yeah. We'reacquaintances.
Tyler is my friend.

Tyler (29:44):
Yeah.

Danny (29:45):
And I'm team Tyler.

Tyler (29:47):
Yeah.

Danny (29:48):
Right? I've had moments of that situation with with
people.

Tyler (29:52):
Yeah. I I'm I'm reminded of the line in in in Hamilton
where he's like, if you standfor not if you if you don't
stand for anything, you standfor nothing. Like, you have to
have as a man, you have to havesomewhere where you draw your
line in the sand. And and andwhere is it? And I and I guess I
think for these young men thatare playing this big aggressive

(30:12):
sport, like, that's maybe notenough.
You know what I mean? They'rethey're jacked. Their
testosterone is through theroof. Right? It's it's 25 to 30
trip type people who are intheir peak performance, right,
who who probably needed to run afew more laps to get that extra
energy out.
I don't know. I don't know.

Danny (30:33):
And it looks bad. Right? It looks bad from the outside
world, but have you ever beeninvolved with a bench clearing
or a

Tyler (30:40):
Absolutely. You have? Absolutely. Right here in in
Heber. We had we had a benchclearing fight on the lacrosse
field, our senior night.
Right? And we we we tuned up ateam that 4 years ago
embarrassed us because we wereall freshmen. Now we're all
seniors, and we were we weregood. We we we tuned them up.
And they decided to try to jumpone of our players, and it the

(31:01):
bench cleared.
The bench cleared, and then andthen it got really ugly after.
Like, people saying this didthat. You know, some people said
the n word or and

Danny (31:10):
I remember that.

Tyler (31:10):
And and, you know, I think there is a certain level
of aggression that's to beexpected. And I think even the
commentators were like, hey. Canyou blame Michigan State because
of the the the rivalry? Sure. Idon't I don't I don't I don't.
I mean, they are trying to hypethemselves up. They're gonna
carry that energy through theirnext few games. You know what I

(31:32):
mean? They got a lot

Danny (31:33):
of state was, I think, second. They're ranked 2nd.

Tyler (31:36):
Oh, really?

Danny (31:37):
Michigan was have Michigan had a horrible year,
and they won the nationalchampionship last year. Yeah.
Yeah. And so there was a lotgoing into it. But like you
said, it's a rivalry.
Right?

Tyler (31:45):
Huge rivalry.

Danny (31:47):
At wrestling, you know, I've seen some crazy some crazy
shit. I've I've gotten into itwith a couple coaches. I usually
conduct myself pretty Yeah.Pretty carefully, but, I've
definitely my wife has my wifeat one point was the talk of the
wrestling community because herand another high profile mom my

(32:10):
wife was a high profile mom

Tyler (32:11):
Yeah. Yeah.

Danny (32:12):
Who was known to lose her head, and my and and another mom
was known to lose her head. Andthey're on the middle of the mat
screaming at each other andended up having to get pulled
apart from each other becausethey were both defending their
children.

Tyler (32:24):
Yeah. Yeah.

Danny (32:24):
You know, they're defending. Their mama bears
defending, and it was like,woah. And I remember people,
like, coming up to me and, like,that was awesome. That was
awesome.

Tyler (32:37):
Yeah.

Danny (32:37):
And I and and I thought during that moment, like, oh my
gosh. I cannot believe that mywife is a part of that.

Tyler (32:44):
So so where's the gray area between the loyalty and the
the, you know, the obstinence?Right? Like, where is it?

Danny (32:50):
Where is it? I think judgment comes unfortunately,
people judge. You're right. Andand, unfortunately, people who
have never played football, havenever done a combat sport, have
never done something where youhave this, like, aggressive, and
you you have all this aggressiongoing into it. And so, yeah, you

(33:14):
are standing on business.
You are standing on your name.You are defending something.
Right. And at what point do youdefend it to? To the death.
Right. I'll defend my name tothe death.

Tyler (33:23):
Right. Right. Right.

Danny (33:24):
I will defend my character and who I am to the
death. Now, you're playing agame of phase 10, and it gets
heated. Yeah. And next thing youknow, you're throwing cards and
you're fighting and shit likethat. Is that the same thing?
I mean, I don't know.

Tyler (33:43):
I mean, I don't think I I think you're I think you're
absolutely you're you're right.You're right. But I I don't
think it's the same thing.Right? Because you're you're
talking about inside of youryour family.
Right? Like, you know what Imean? Like, you know, you have
to choose your battles wisely.Right? What are you what are
what are your battles, and andwhen does the stubbornness

(34:04):
really when does it become whenit when it becomes contentious.
Right? Like, you can't you can'tI don't think you should always
turn away, but you should beable to know when you need to.

Danny (34:14):
Right.

Tyler (34:15):
I think at the end of the day, yes, the Michigan, Ohio
state, it's nice for us to beable to kinda look back and say,
And in in a way, it is. It'sRight? Like, it sucks that a
couple of guys got peppersprayed, but nobody really got
hurt.

Danny (34:29):
Yeah.

Tyler (34:30):
You know what I mean? There was a lot of posturing.
There was a lot and that thatthat is what's to be expected in
those in those sports.

Danny (34:38):
I think when it gets contentious have you have you
seen the mouse in the palace? Doyou remember that? The mouse in
the palace?

Tyler (34:44):
It's been a it's

Danny (34:45):
been a Detroit Pistons Yeah. And the Warriors, I want.

Tyler (34:50):
Is that where you what's his MetaWorld MetaWorld,
whatever goes up in the

Danny (34:54):
the crowd? The Detroit Pistons, and I can't remember
the other team, but, yeah, Imean, that's when, like, they're
punching fans. Yeah. They'refighting in the stands with the
fans. They're they are going andand I think that's when it
becomes contentious because

Tyler (35:08):
Yeah.

Danny (35:09):
The fans are the ones that provoked that because they
threw

Tyler (35:12):
the drink at

Danny (35:13):
They do. They drew the the drink at that meta world
peace guy.

Tyler (35:15):
Yeah. Yeah. And he can't swim.

Danny (35:17):
No.

Tyler (35:17):
He thought he was drowning.

Danny (35:18):
Oh, man. He was And

Tyler (35:19):
so he was just trying to get to higher ground.

Danny (35:21):
He was.

Tyler (35:22):
No. He was he was furious. He was he was punching
his way through people.

Danny (35:26):
And the fans, like, that got ugly with the fans. And I
think, like, when when thathappens and, you know, teams
against teams, you know, we cansplit that up. But when you have
fans going on to the playingfield or, you know, people
throwing water bottles. Right?Could you see that water bottle
be thrown at the BYUcheerleader?

(35:46):
Yeah. Yeah. And hit

Tyler (35:47):
him in

Danny (35:48):
the head, knocked him out. I mean, batteries and shit.
That's when it becomes badbecause what are you defending?
Right. You're not playing thegame.
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Go out andfight and I go out and, compete
and a fan wants to fight me,we're not you're not fighting.

Tyler (36:02):
Right.

Danny (36:03):
Right? You're not fighting. There's been UFC tie
UFC walkouts where fans havedone something. UFC fan the UFC
guy punches the fan. Don't putyour hands on me.

Tyler (36:14):
Yeah.

Danny (36:14):
I'm in a moment. Yeah.

Tyler (36:17):
Powder keg at that point. Yeah. You probably you probably
deserve whatever's coming

Danny (36:21):
to you. Whatever's coming becomes contentious, I think.

Tyler (36:24):
Yeah. Yeah. You have to realize what is what is your
what is your horse in the in thefight. You know? I could never
see myself fighting to defend.
I'm a I'm a been a Broncos fan

Danny (36:35):
my whole

Tyler (36:36):
life. Yes. I will tease, and I will I'll gloat when we
win. You know, I also have toeat humble pie when they they
lose. Right?
But I could never see myselfgetting into a physical
confrontation for that team.

Danny (36:50):
Yeah. Same.

Tyler (36:51):
You know? I mean, it to me, it just does not it there's
nothing I love about about them.And and maybe it's you know,
because it comes down to, like,the it's it's it's a
nationalistic bond or it's ait's we we bond around these
things that kinda keep us, thatkeep us connected.

Danny (37:10):
Right.

Tyler (37:10):
Right? And so I have to ask myself, like, what is that
bond? Like, a family bond,you're right. It makes absolute
sense that you defend it towhatever degree it needs to be
defended, whatever that whateverthat is. And to be honest, it's
like I I I I'm the thing thatcomes to my mind is the the line
from, untouchables with

Danny (37:33):
with what, wow.

Tyler (37:34):
What is that guy's name? He's talking to Kevin Costner
and he's like, he's like, thisis Chicago way. He brings a
knife. I bring a gun. They putone of others in the hospital.
We send one of theirs to themorgue. That's the Chicago way.
Right? Like in that, you kind ofhave to have that, But where are
you going to draw that line?Have you written it down?
Have you do you understand? Imean, honestly, it is your ego

(37:56):
if it is over a sports team.

Danny (37:58):
Sure.

Tyler (37:59):
Unless you were on the sports team and that sports team
is your family Yeah. That'swhere I'm going to say, okay.
Like, I will give the players alittle bit of leeway.

Danny (38:08):
I agree.

Tyler (38:09):
I won't give fans.

Danny (38:10):
And it's a bummer that, like, it's national TV and
whatever. I mean, it's whatever.I I don't get bummed out by the
fact that they fought. I don'tget bummed out

Tyler (38:17):
by it.

Danny (38:18):
I don't care. Have you so when I was younger, we've talked
about this a little bit more.Like, I was around a lot of gang
members,

Tyler (38:27):
you

Danny (38:27):
know, when I was a lot younger. And looking back on
that time, it's crazy to me, youknow, what you fought over, what
I fought over, what what I wasfought over. And and
subsequently, like, you know,you look back at it and some of
these people, what they'rewilling to die for in this gang
culture, you know, and and thatin itself is scary. Yeah. You

(38:50):
know, you talk about theHatfields and the McCoys back in
the day.

Tyler (38:53):
Jeez. I read a book.

Danny (38:54):
I think it's, I think it's Malcolm Gladwell that said
that they're that part of thatwhole thing was that they're
Scottish and Highland culturethat they come from Scottish and
Highland areas where they defendthe turf. They defend the turf.
They Mhmm. That's what youdefend your your sheep. You
defend your flock.
So that's why they fought theway that they did is because it

(39:15):
was this it was ingrained inthem to fight like that over
over what?

Tyler (39:20):
It's so and it's so interesting that you you say
that because, like, my buddy,was in the marine corps, and he
was in in Iraq. And he said whenthey started posting, like,
rewards for information oncertain people, all the time,
they were getting these littleinsights. Like, you know, I'd
come complain about my neighborwho, you know, who who offended

(39:41):
me in this way. And then, youknow, it was a way that they
would they would use the USmilitary to kind of settle some
of these

Danny (39:47):
some of that shit.

Tyler (39:48):
These family feuds, essentially. Right? And then so
yeah, I think you have tounderstand, like, when is it
going to be beneficial? Right.Like when is it going to be
beneficial?
Maybe, maybe you can't, like,maybe, maybe. Your, you know,
maybe your line just needs todie out because if you you don't

(40:10):
you don't have the strength.Right? Like, that is
unfortunate. Like, when you talkabout, like, tribal warfare,
right, the biggest and strongestare always gonna kinda survive
unless you can be the mostcreative.

Danny (40:20):
The most yeah. Yeah. Figure shit out.

Tyler (40:22):
Right? You know what I mean? Like, we are like, I think
as as species, we are we aremeant to kind of have a tribe
and to protect our tribe and towar with other tribes, right,
when they're when resources arescarce. And then it takes it
takes a lot of evolution to getto a place of abundance in the
sense that there really isenough for all of us. True.

(40:45):
It doesn't feel like it fromtime to time when we look at
when we look and we prioritizewealth because I think that's
the warfare that's being foughtnow. We are seeing wealth being
amassed on an in kind of untoldlevels. And there's a lot of
people that don't have that.Right? And then we're
prioritizing that.

(41:05):
Everything you see on socialmedia is look at this flex. Look
at that flex. Look at the moneyI have. Look at how how wealthy
I am, this watch, this car,these women, this this lifestyle
that I'm living. Some of it'strue.
Some of it's not true. But we'reseeing kind of that same that
same war play out with wealth.

Danny (41:24):
Oh, gosh. It's crazy how, like, the division can happen in
certain areas. And like I said,I I I get I get so lost in some
of these things and thinkingabout them because, you know,
when when you think about justthat whole tribal mentality,
what you're willing to defendand what you're willing to fight

(41:45):
over Yeah. Could be simply likea a cow. Right?
A horse. Right? You know?Something that matters to me.
Something that matters to me,I'm willing to fight for it.

Tyler (41:55):
Yeah.

Danny (41:56):
I'm willing to fight for it. And if I'm let's say, like,
you have what you're willing tofight for. I have what I'm
willing to fight for, and wecan't come to a common ground.
Now we're fighting. Now we're ina feud.
Yeah. Right? And would you putit when you when you're teaching
your children and you'reteaching these young men, you
know, when I'm talking to Tripp,I always remind him, like, to

(42:17):
protect the people around him.

Tyler (42:18):
Right.

Danny (42:19):
And sometimes he thinks about that. If you if a person
comes into the academy and theyhurt one of his friends, you
know, he's like, okay. Yep. Iknow my job. Yeah.
I know what my dad has told me.Yeah. My boys don't fight at all
until they have to. And both ofmy boys, I know the fights that

(42:40):
they've been in. All the fightsthat they've been into was
defend something, to protectsomething.
And, I have a video of 1 of mynephews who's young, and a kid
was talking about his my nephewmy sister and and my and and her

(43:00):
daughter. So my sister and myniece, and my nephew got into a
fight over what this kid wassaying. And I and I remember
seeing that video and the factthat it got out to social media,
I was kinda bummed out about itanyways. But, my nephew was was
he was standing on business, andhe was kicking the shit out of
this kid because of what he saidabout my sister.

Tyler (43:18):
And that's a problem. Right? Social media just has
such such negative effects.Like, the the the speed at which
we can disperse information isincredible. Right?
It's been it's been a way as acivilization. We've been able to
just rapidly increase our ownknowledge.

Danny (43:36):
Yeah. And I

Tyler (43:36):
think that's what AI is is ushering in. But, like, the
damage that it does, had to havea hard conversation with Ben.
Dude dude logged 6 hours a dayon social media. And I'm like,
what kind of what kind ofguitarist would you be if you
logged 6 hours a day in playingthe practicing the playing the

(43:59):
piano, you know, speaking alearning a foreign language?
Right.
And, damn, it's just like, well,all my friends are there. That's
what I do socially. Right. It'sso damaging. In the case that,
like, something like that couldget out, it doesn't it never
helps the situation.
And it only it only villainizespeople that, you know, were were

(44:22):
standing up for something. True.And the same thing happened in
our the cross fight. Right?Like, the no.
We didn't we didn't post thevideos we had. We had videos of
the other team literallyattempting to stomp on one of
our players' heads.

Danny (44:35):
Right.

Tyler (44:36):
But what got out was some social media lie that we we did
something else.

Danny (44:43):
Right. I remember that. I remember, like, the whole
fallout of that too. Becausethere because there is a
fallout, and that's why I toldmy nephew is like, hey, man. Be
careful.
Like, don't let this shit beposted on social media. You see
phones out. Stop fighting. Yeah.There's no point.
Right. Because if it was me andI noticed if if I'm watching the
video, there's no context to thevideo. It's just my nephew

(45:03):
kicking the shit out of thiskid. Yeah. I know the backstory,
but that's his that's his Right.
What does this kid say? No. No.He beat the shit out of me for
no reason, and that's what itlooked like. Yeah.
You know, there's no context toit.

Tyler (45:13):
Yeah. The court of public opinion is is not just. Yeah. It
will just make a judgment basedon what is seen.

Danny (45:19):
Yeah. And I'd that's the thing about the Michigan and the
Ohio State. Yeah. You have allthese people that will make
comments about bullshit. Here'shere's one that, like, has
really been bothering me latelyis this whole Zach Bryan and his
girlfriend.
I think Yeah. There's no contextto it, but this No. This this

(45:40):
person is, like, on social mediaRight. Dragging this dude
through the mud, and maybe hedid do some things. Maybe he
did.
Maybe. Maybe. Right. Right? Butmy opinion is is, like, I don't
want no part of that.

Tyler (45:54):
Right. Yeah. I think I think it is interesting. Right?
Like, we the I wanted to spendthat money.
It's interesting. Yeah. Becausemy oldest daughter has been
sending me a lot of this stuff.And, like, Dave Portnoy, love
him or hate him, the dude hasmade a bajillion dollars just
being a level 10 yapper. Yeah.
He's just a yapper. He's he's ayapper. It's he talks, and he's

(46:18):
he's he's Howard Stern of of the21st century. Right? Like, the
shock jock.
Like, I'm gonna say shockingthings. I'm gonna do shocking
things. I have

Danny (46:30):
no idea who he is.

Tyler (46:32):
He started Barstool Sports. Right? He's he's he's
your typical, I think he's fromhe's I don't know where I don't
know if he's from he's back fromback east, which, you know,
people from back east, they theythey tend to already be pretty
abrasive to anyone. Yeah. Midmid mid mid central west of of,
you know, the United States.
But, like, the same with thischicken fry chick. Her whole job

(46:56):
is to yap, to talk Yeah. Totalk. And so to them, their
narrative, like, benefits them.

Danny (47:02):
I know.

Tyler (47:03):
And and and I get it. Like, he may he may. Who knows?
Dude was in the navy. Dudedidn't his mom passed away.
Like, dude, we don't know whattype how what his relationship
status is. That's not why I likehim. That's not why I care about
him.

Danny (47:16):
Well, he's not saying nothing.

Tyler (47:17):
Right.

Danny (47:17):
That doesn't mean that he's owning what he did. It's
just that he's not gettingdragged into this bullshit, but
but who defends the guy?

Tyler (47:25):
Right.

Danny (47:25):
Like, if if somebody was doing that to you, Tyler, I
would be on their social media.I'd be on everything saying
Tyler is a good dude.

Tyler (47:31):
Right.

Danny (47:31):
Anytime that I've had to, have a conversation about where
I stand, it's team Tyler.

Tyler (47:38):
Well and and the the the reality is domestic abuse is no
joke. Right? And the fact thatwhat they're accusing him of, it
has it has it's it's, like, it'sit's wrapped in a lot of, you
know, kind of emotional abuse,you know, could be considered.
But there like you said, there'sno there's no real evidence. And

(48:00):
if he was really that bad of aguy, like, if he was really that
terrible, why did she stay withhim so long?
She seems pretty healthy andnormal. Right?

Danny (48:07):
I'm gonna tell you, Tyler. If any of my ex
girlfriends came out of thewoodwork from what I did when I
was a young man, I would be I'dbe vilified.

Tyler (48:18):
Yeah.

Danny (48:18):
Dude, I was I was wild. We all were. I was wild, and I
did stupid shit. I said stupidshit, and I was a stupid person.
Right.
Right? Yes. I've done stupidshit.

Tyler (48:26):
Yeah.

Danny (48:26):
But I don't want you going out and telling the whole
entire world about the shit thatwe did in a relationship that
people are people.

Tyler (48:36):
The problem is the problem is because of social
media, how much do these 2 makeby yapping about it for the last
2 months.

Danny (48:43):
I know. It gets me so frustrated. I don't wanna see
any of that shit. I don't wannasee any of that business because
I'm thinking, well, who defends

Tyler (48:52):
Right.

Danny (48:52):
Who defends the guy? Right. Who's defending him? And
and I'm a dude. Right.
You know? And I know that I'vegotten into a lot of fights. I
know that I've stood onbusiness. I know that I stand.
If you say something about ParkCity jiu jitsu, I want to fight
you.

Tyler (49:07):
Right.

Danny (49:07):
If you say something about me, I want to fight you.
Now now maybe I don't becauseI'm a little bit more refined.

Tyler (49:14):
Right.

Danny (49:14):
But back in the day, I was not refined.

Tyler (49:15):
Well, I think the ability to slow down is is something
that's that's unique to topeople. Right? It's hard it's
hard to slow down. And, I mean,look look at politics, for
example. Right?
I I a lot of people won't evenbroach the the topic. But
politics as of late, it tends tobe that you are either CNN

Danny (49:40):
I agree.

Tyler (49:41):
You're either Fox.

Danny (49:41):
Oh, yeah. So true.

Tyler (49:42):
You are either you're either a Democrat or you're
Republican. True. And and thereality is when you look at you
look at the Republican, you lookat the Democrat, Democrat will
watch CNN. Republican will watchFox News. They're catering just
to their demographic.
They don't care about like, Foxdoesn't care about winning over,
you know, Lady Liberal over onthe left, and and and CNN

(50:06):
doesn't care about, you know,recruiting right wing Tom on the
right. No. They pump vitriolinto the system in order to keep
it in conflicts because it makesthem fucking money.

Danny (50:18):
Yeah. It's not true. It's so true, and and and whose side
you stand on is what you'llfight for.

Tyler (50:24):
Right. And and then you're then you're vilified if
you don't pick a side.

Danny (50:28):
I know. I know. I know. Just this last episode, you
know, we were, you know, we wereit's insane that that that it's
insane to me that there's oneside or the other.

Tyler (50:47):
Right.

Danny (50:47):
Right? One side or the other. And I think to myself,
like, I'm just in the middlesometimes.

Tyler (50:53):
Right.

Danny (50:53):
I'm I'm not one side or the other, but I like to poke
and I like to tease and I liketo joke. What you know, and if
if you tease the wrong personYeah. Man, they could, I've seen
a couple of Instagram reelswhere it said, a politic one
politics, sentence was started,and next thing you know, people

(51:14):
are fighting over the Right. AndI don't wanna be that kind of a
person either about certainthings about certain things, you

Tyler (51:20):
know,

Danny (51:20):
like certain situations. And I don't want people to think
that that I'm saying that,again, like you said, the
domestic violence is wrong orthat that I don't understand
that it's out there. I do I, a100% do. Right. I just don't see
the benefit of attackingsomebody Oh.
If they're not defendingthemselves, and how how could

(51:43):
this per how can I defendmyself? If if if if I if you
don't agree with me politically,how can I defend myself?

Tyler (51:49):
My question is, what is the over under? And let's put
this on Dave Portnoy's bettingwebsite. Dave Portnoy owns a
betting website. We should putthis on there. What is the over
under that they made more than12,000,000 yapping about it for
2 months

Danny (52:02):
I agree.

Tyler (52:02):
Than the NDA cost. Right? Like, that was the whole thing.
Why would why would why would hewant an NDA? Why would he want
an NDA?
Like, you know, I I mean, Icould see a lot of reasons why
he wouldn't want it. He'd wannakeep it quiet. He's pretty high
fucking pro profile. Do youthink if Taylor Swift and,
what's his name broke up, and itwas, like, really contentious

(52:23):
that they would want iteverywhere.

Danny (52:25):
Yeah. No.

Tyler (52:25):
No. Of course, they would hire attorneys and be lawyering
and, like Yeah. Doing all thiskind of bullshit.

Danny (52:30):
We're gonna see Zach Bryan on Saturday. Oh, you guys
are in for it? I'm so excited.

Tyler (52:36):
He's he's I'm

Danny (52:36):
a little bummed because I would've, I I had 2
opportunities to see him priorto this huge blow up. I could
have went to Red Rocks for theinfamous snow show.

Tyler (52:48):
Snow show. That would have been

Danny (52:50):
I had I was in the queue to buy tickets, and I only
decided not to because I think Ihad I I don't remember what got
in the way. Something got in theway, so we didn't go. And last
year, we had tickets to SanDiego.

Tyler (53:06):
Diego.

Danny (53:06):
Yeah. And the pit The pictures I've seen, we would
have been front row Yeah. Seeinghim. And I had the tickets in my
hand, but Braxton was supposedto come out here. And, I'm a big
fan of, like, I'm a I'm a bigfan of that kind of stuff.
I'm I'm a big fan of of offighting for for fighting for
shit, fighting for your name.I'm also a big fan of fighting

(53:28):
for stupid shit. You know? LikeYeah. Just to just to be like,
oh, no.
I'm I'm on this team.

Tyler (53:33):
Yeah. But you know where to draw the line.

Danny (53:34):
Oh, yeah.

Tyler (53:34):
That's the difference. Like, do you know where to draw
the line?

Danny (53:37):
I also tease a lot, you know, and I like to have a good
time, but I don't wanna be, seenas negative because I do I mean,
I am, to this day, a Notre DameIrish fan to my blood. My
cousins are Notre Dame Irishfans to their blood. That's

(53:58):
funny. You know? And I thinkabout that sometimes about,
like, man, if somebody was tosay something negative about the
Irish, I'd be a little bit hot.
You know? And, I I think it's agood I think it's a good thing.
Yeah. I think it's a good thingto have that. I don't want you
to it, you know, and make itseem like it's gross and ugly

(54:18):
just because it's you're notplaying that sport.

Tyler (54:21):
Have have a passion.

Danny (54:22):
Have a passion.

Tyler (54:23):
Have passion. Stand up for things.

Danny (54:25):
Yeah. Stand up for people.

Tyler (54:26):
Stand up for people. But, like, also know where to draw
the line. Right? And then knowknow when to pick your battles.
Know what battles are worthfighting.

Danny (54:35):
Mhmm.

Tyler (54:37):
No no battle has ever been won or lost over, you know,
changing traffic. You you knowwhat I mean? Yeah. We talk about
road rage all the time.

Danny (54:45):
I agree.

Tyler (54:45):
You know? No no no battle of of of wits has ever been won.

Danny (54:49):
I agree with you. Man, fun.

Tyler (54:51):
Yeah. Great episode.

Danny (54:52):
I'm gonna make a shout out, and I apologize because I'm
gonna get on my phone for asecond.

Tyler (54:57):
But We've been we we we're we're gonna start
normalizing using notes on ourphones. So, like, I'm not gonna
vilify you using your phonebecause I definitely don't have
my notes.

Danny (55:06):
But, we lost a member of the motorcycle community, and
I'd like to give him a shoutout. So I think it was last
weekend. One of ATC Jeremy,who's been on our podcast,
Jeremy Ayala, he's been on ourpodcast a couple of times. We
like to be friends with him. 1of his brothers in arms, passed

(55:28):
away.
And I know that they arestruggling. I know that they're
trying to put together his wake.And, I appreciate Jeremy shared
with me the video that he'sdoing for for that young man,
and I, I think it's cool. Hisname was Kyle or I'm sorry. His

(55:50):
name was Kevin.
And to all of Kevin's friendsand family at BlackLine and all
those guys, we're thinking aboutyou. We know that the what you
guys do, the riding thatmotorcycle, it's it's it could
be any moment. And so yourfamily and friends, and and
we're thinking about you guys,and and I hope that you guys

(56:13):
know that man, I I rememberseeing him on some of, Jeremy's
feeds, the the young man thatpassed away, and he looked like
he was a good dude. And, he hada young family, a young wife,
young kid. And so, if you go toJeremy Ayala's Instagram page, a
t c Jeremy, the his has theinformation for, Kevin's wake

(56:35):
and then also how you can helpdonate to, the family.

Tyler (56:40):
Yeah. Yeah. Do it if you've got something to spare.
It's the season of giving.

Danny (56:43):
Season of giving.

Tyler (56:44):
Yep. I'm so sorry to hear that, Jeremy, and and that that
crew. Like, that's that'stragic. If you don't ride, check
twice, man. You don't wanna Idon't know the circumstances of
of what happened, but I've I'vehad a lot of people I know not
not survive accidents because ofcars.
So Yeah. I know that's, yeah.Yeah. It's unfortunate.

Danny (57:08):
So cheers to you guys at, BlackLine and Kevin's family,
ATC Jeremy. We're thinking aboutyou, and, yeah. We'll say a
special prayer for you guys.

Tyler (57:16):
Alright. Cool. Well, cheers to the next episode.

Danny (57:18):
Cheers to the

Tyler (57:18):
next episode. More that left to the year.

Danny (57:20):
One more in the year.

Tyler (57:21):
One more in the year.

Danny (57:21):
Insane.

Tyler (57:22):
Yeah.

Danny (57:22):
Yeah.

Tyler (57:23):
Alright. Cheers, everybody. K.

Danny (57:24):
Appreciate it. Bye. Bye.