Sweeps, Submissions, and Survival

In this episode of The Last Boy Scouts podcast, hosts Danny and Tyler dive into their recent adventures, discussing everything from work-life balance and parenting challenges to their favorite pastime: jiu-jitsu. They touch on personal growth, overcoming workplace conflict, and the lessons learned from being a "white belt for life" in both jiu-jitsu and personal development. The hosts also break down the exciting matches from the Craig Jones Invitational (CJI) and ADCC, sharing their thoughts on the rise of jiu-jitsu as a spectator sport. The conversation rounds out with reflections on family, their upcoming jiu-jitsu belt test, and the power of maintaining humility in the face of life's challenges.

Show Notes:

Episode Highlights:

• [00:00:07] Intro and catching up after a break
• [00:00:36] Juggling podcasting, work, and family life
• [00:01:19] Danny’s reflections on work challenges and handling conflict
• [00:02:32] A deep dive into jiu-jitsu: Comparing tower control at work to jiu-jitsu mindset
• [00:16:32] Tyler’s daughter’s university experience and the importance of finding your path
• [00:45:06] Insights into competing at CJI and ADCC tournaments
• [00:51:15] Jiu-jitsu lessons: Humility, family, and always being a white belt in life
• [00:59:55] Upcoming events: Belt testing, birthdays, and fall camping trips
• [01:05:20] Ending on a thoughtful note: Conflict resolution and the superpower of humility

Key Takeaways:

1. Conflict Resolution – Apologizing and addressing situations with grace can transform difficult interactions, whether at work or in jiu-jitsu.
2. Parenting Insights – Tyler talks about his daughter’s educational journey and the importance of supporting young adults in their decision-making.
3. Jiu-Jitsu Growth – The episode features an in-depth discussion on jiu-jitsu tournaments like CJI and ADCC, touching on the evolution of the sport and the personalities driving its popularity.
4. Philosophy of Being a White Belt for Life – Both hosts reflect on the mindset of remaining curious, humble, and constantly learning, both in jiu-jitsu and life.
5. Personal Reflection – The hosts share personal experiences about balancing family, work, and personal growth.

Mentions:

• Craig Jones Invitational (CJI)
• ADCC (Abu Dhabi Combat Club)
• Park City Jiu-Jitsu
• Jits Rings (Sponsor)

Episode Transcript

Tyler (00:07):
Welcome back to the last Boy Scouts podcast, Danny. How
are you doing?

Danny (00:10):
I'm good, man.

Tyler (00:11):
We took a week off.

Danny (00:12):
We did. Yeah. We took I think it's been 2 weeks. Right?
Yeah.
2 weeks we've had, since we wereable to record. It's kinda
weird, like, when, I think we'vetalked about this before. Your
your situation with the kidsYeah. And and, like, my
situation with my work scheduleYeah. Sometimes doesn't coincide
with, like, we have a plan torecord on these certain days

(00:34):
because it just works outbetter.
Yeah. And then if that if ifanything throws a wrench in it,
my work schedule Yeah. The kidsbeing back and the kids being in
school.

Tyler (00:43):
Right. Yeah. It's hard. It's hard. This is very much, a
shade tree enterprise here.
As much as I love doing it,like, we want it to become
something like, this is verygrassroots site. You you know?
Yeah. We have this amazingstudio, but those people that
don't know, it's just like agreen screen down here in our
image space. Yeah.
And we get it to look coolbecause we're we're cool, and we

(01:03):
figured out how to how to do thetechnical things to make it look
professional and and soundprofessional. Right?

Danny (01:09):
Yeah. And and, we had every intention of working out
of the bus today. Yeah. We wehad to address it from there
because, man, it's like, it wascool because it was cloud to
cloud lightning

Tyler (01:19):
Yeah.

Danny (01:19):
Which to me is, like, some of the coolest stuff
because it goes cloud to cloud.Cloud to ground is like normal.
But when you get cloud to cloud

Tyler (01:25):
Yeah.

Danny (01:26):
That means it's got some energy.

Tyler (01:28):
So question. Because you like, do you work actually in
the tower tower?

Danny (01:32):
No. I work in the radar portion. So the tower is above
us and then

Tyler (01:35):
the radar portion.

Danny (01:36):
So I

Tyler (01:36):
was wondering, like, do you ever, like, get that kind of
view, like, when you're in thetower tower portion of that that
kind of I wish.

Danny (01:42):
I've never worked in a tower before. I I was thinking
today, like, do I have theambition to go to the tower for
a little while? My work has beeninsane, dude. Like, kinda like
what we're gonna talk abouttoday, but, like, a lot of,
like, turmoil, a lot offighting, fighting, a lot of,
like, bickering.

Tyler (01:59):
Yeah.

Danny (01:59):
And I don't deal well with that. I'll kinda get a
little bit further into that.But, yeah, I was thinking today,
would I like to go to the towerbecause they have windows?

Tyler (02:07):
Yeah.

Danny (02:08):
But here's the thing. During the earthquake, the
towers are earthquake proof. Oh.Right? So I don't know if you
know what that means, but itmeans that they can sway

Tyler (02:17):
Mhmm.

Danny (02:17):
A certain amount. And it was it's like 5 to 6 feet of
sway. At the base, 5 to 6 feet,not that much.

Tyler (02:26):
Right.

Danny (02:26):
At the top, 5 to 6 feet is like moving. And from what I
understand, during theearthquake, they were swaying,
and they could see the cars onthe ground Oh. Back and forth.
Yeah. A couple guys were likeWow.
A couple people were like, thatwas a little

Tyler (02:44):
in Little little scary. Little scary.

Danny (02:46):
We have high winds, you know, in Salt Lake in the
valley. And so, like, they'lltell me, like, it'll be up there
and you're swaying. You you youknow you're swaying.

Tyler (02:53):
That's crazy.

Danny (02:53):
And, I don't know if I could go with that.

Tyler (02:56):
Yeah. That would be a bit intense. That would be a bit
intense. What's the differencein the job?

Danny (03:01):
Like, what are the what is the so we kind of talked
about it before, but, like, ifyou have an upside down wedding
cake

Tyler (03:07):
Yeah.

Danny (03:07):
So the bottom portion would be, like, 5 miles. That's
the airport. The movement areas,all of the taxiways, the
runways, all of the any of theairplanes or the vehicles that
do on the taxiways. Okay. That'sthe tower.
Then the next layer would be 60mile radius, and that's,
approach control, which is whatI do. And we bring them to, you

(03:28):
know, 5 miles, take them from 60to 5 miles, put them in a line,
or take them off the airport,turn them to where they're gonna
go.

Tyler (03:34):
Okay.

Danny (03:35):
And then there's a bigger layer that controls, like, all
like, it's multiple states, butit's, like, 20,000 to, like,
god. Oh, wow. You know? Andthey're they're controlling
those guys. And so me, I'm inthe middle part.
It's all I've ever done in mylife. I when I was in the
military, I did some, rangecontrol stuff, which was like

(03:55):
dog fighters. You know, theplanes go out, chase each other,
do drops, pretend like they'rethey're a real world, activity.
Okay.

Tyler (04:03):
And that

Danny (04:03):
was kinda cool, but, yeah. So the tower guys but they
have the best view. They're thegreatest view. When you go up to
the tower, dude, and it is youcan see from Salt Lake to past
Brigham City, and you can seepast Provo.

Tyler (04:17):
Wow.

Danny (04:17):
You can see past, the the the the big, big smoke stacks
going out west. Yeah. Yeah. Youcan see Pasquale. Like, Tooele
that area.
Yeah. Over that area, Tooele,and then you can see, like,
Parleys Canyon. You could see upin that area. That's crazy.
Greatest view.
It's 260 feet above the groundis their is their view. 360

(04:38):
degrees.

Tyler (04:38):
That's crazy.

Danny (04:39):
It's amazing, dude. That's cool. I I just don't
know, you know, if I have that.

Tyler (04:44):
Yeah.

Danny (04:44):
I I I mean, you know, like, sometimes you don't know
if you have vertigo? Yeah. Like,vertigo is a real thing. Vertigo
is like, inner ear Yeah. Stuff,and you kinda get dizzy when
you're up on a on a tall hill.
I'm not afraid of heights oranything, but there are times
when I'm like, woah.

Tyler (04:59):
When I'm imagine if you've gotten sick and you've
gotten that kind of dizziness,like, you're probably more
susceptible

Danny (05:04):
to hearing vertigo. So Yeah. Have you ever had vertigo?

Tyler (05:07):
I I've definitely felt dizzy. I don't know that I've
had, like, actual vertigo.

Danny (05:10):
Yeah. Vertigo. Like, I Vertigo is insane. Yeah. I bet.
Vertigo is, inner ear. Yeah. Youknow how when they say you lost
your marbles? Yeah. It's actualmarbles.
Oh, really? It's crystal marblesthat get discombobulated, and,
they're out of whack. So they goin, like I mean, think about,
like, a sequential order. Yeah.They go in a sequential order.

(05:30):
And when they are not in orderand they're out of whack, you've
lost your marbles. And so youcan go to a doctor, and he'll do
these crazy things to your neckand then, put your marbles back
in line.

Tyler (05:45):
That's crazy.

Danny (05:46):
Yeah. A lot of times it happens to MMA fighters. People
get punched in the head a littlebit. If you have a concussion
Get

Tyler (05:53):
your bell rung too much?

Danny (05:54):
My mom has it. Okay. And it's debilitating. Can't get out
can't stand up

Tyler (05:59):
because Yeah.

Danny (05:59):
Yeah. You stand up, busy. Yeah. So you have to lay there.
Yeah.
And then, you know, havesomebody take you to the doctor
Yeah. To get your marbles putback, and we always tease her
that Yeah. Yeah. You rememberHook?

Tyler (06:09):
Yeah.

Danny (06:09):
When he's looking for his marbles?

Tyler (06:11):
His marbles.

Danny (06:11):
Tell my mom that, oh, she's looking for her marbles.
She's looking for her marbles.Oh, we found them.

Tyler (06:15):
That's too funny.

Danny (06:16):
Yeah, dude. So, what you been doing? What you been up to?

Tyler (06:19):
Man. Okay. So, yeah, really getting the kids back to
school. It's been weird. Myoldest went back up to Utah
State.
She's had a little bit of aCrisis of consciousness of what
she wants to do. One I'm superproud of her, like, without a
doubt, the way she set herselfup, she's ahead of everybody. So
the fact that as her 2nd year inschool, she's not just taking

(06:40):
general ed. She's like actuallytaking courses towards her her
her, degree.

Danny (06:48):
Oh, cool.

Tyler (06:48):
She's now but now she's like, okay. I have to be
serious. Like, I don't wanna godown one particular path and
realize that, like, hey. Iactually don't like this. And
she just found out today that,there's only, like, a 4%
retention rate of people who gothrough her, program that
actually stay in that programand do what that program trains

(07:09):
you to do.
And she's like, everybody else,like, leaves in after 4 years.

Danny (07:14):
Woah.

Tyler (07:14):
And she's like, I don't know. Like, that to me is a huge
red flag on Saudi. So she'sgoing to meet with her
counselor, to to determine,like, what does she want to do.
Wow. You know, obviously, shedoes like, she feels called to
be you know, work with specialneeds, children.
And and so, you know, I don'tknow what she'll end up doing if

(07:34):
she'll end up going the edroute, like getting becoming a
teacher and then just doing aspecialization with special ed.
But I think as far as her movingoff of the speech pathology that
she wanted to do,

Danny (07:45):
she should talk to Grant's wife. Yeah. She just got
hired at Park City High Schoolfor the special Oh, really?
Education and, big Dan, bluebelt Dan.

Tyler (07:53):
Yeah. Yeah.

Danny (07:54):
He's over that program.

Tyler (07:56):
Oh, really?

Danny (07:56):
Yeah. 2 people in our community that Yeah. Could maybe
give her some advice of, like,what to do.

Tyler (08:00):
Right. Yeah. I I that those are definitely people we
should reach out to.

Danny (08:04):
That should get, like, a wide brand of

Tyler (08:06):
That's what I'm saying. Like, because she's, like, doing
stuff, and she's like, well,maybe I consider, like, social
work and, like, she's like, Icould be, like, an in in school,
like, the psychologist for inschool. I'm like, you know,
like, now is the time to kindafigure it out. You have a little
bit of time. Right?
You're ahead.

Danny (08:21):
So Yeah. I talked to her over the just so when she's home
for the break, and I was, like,surprised. You always are
surprised when you see the kidsYeah. That you've known for a
moment, and you're like, oh,that kid's matured a tiny bit.
You know?
Yeah. Like, she's, like, maturedwhen she was talking to me. A
lot of times, like, kids,especially, like, they'll have a
conversation with you, but theywon't create eye contact.

(08:43):
They'll be able to, like, talkto you in passing. Yeah.
And she was able she was, like,engaging with conversation with
me, and I was like, I'll look atBrynn. Yeah. I know. I was
stoked for her.

Tyler (08:53):
Yeah. So other than that, like, just, you know, they
opened a new office down inLehi, so I've been traveling
down there a little bit. We didtake the kids for a little
camping trip, but we did justpull the rooftop tent off the
Bronco.

Danny (09:05):
You did?

Tyler (09:05):
And, getting ready for wintertime.

Danny (09:07):
Yeah. Where did you guys go? Lava?

Tyler (09:09):
We went up to Lava. We went up to Bear Lake up in
Northern Utah.

Danny (09:12):
Oh, cool.

Tyler (09:12):
And then

Danny (09:13):
It's a great area.

Tyler (09:14):
Lava. Like, it's great. Like, great long weekend.

Danny (09:16):
Yeah. That was awesome.

Tyler (09:18):
You know?

Danny (09:18):
Flowed the river?

Tyler (09:19):
Yeah. We floated

Danny (09:20):
the river.

Tyler (09:20):
A little tight with all 3 of us in the rooftop tent, but
we did it. We did it.

Danny (09:27):
Ben and Cozy slept up top with you.

Tyler (09:29):
With me.

Danny (09:30):
Oh, wow.

Tyler (09:31):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Danny (09:32):
Ben's getting tall, so it's gonna be

Tyler (09:33):
It wasn't terrible, but, like, definitely, the second
night, we were like I was like,I can't do this again.

Danny (09:39):
Yeah. There's not enough room for all of us. Not enough
rooms. Yeah. I don't know ifwe'll

Tyler (09:43):
do the rooftop tent again next year or if the if we'll let
it go and then, you know, findanother option, but the kids
loved it. The interesting thingabout camping spots that I've
noticed is that you have to be,like there's a lot in you
there's a ton of camping inUtah. Right? You can reserve
some, but more often than not,it's 1st come, 1st serve.

Danny (10:01):
Okay.

Tyler (10:01):
And we were totally planning on there's, like, 40
spots up in Logan. We wereplanning on snagging one. We got
up there into Logan Canyon, andwe're, like we we got to the
campground, and, like, the lastcamp spot was being, you know,
signed up for taken taken. Andit was, like, noon. It was,
like, noon on a a Friday, andI'm, like, we were so close.

(10:22):
So we ended up at, you know,we've we've had good luck with,
like, RV sites that have acouple of campsites and which is
which is fine because right?Like, we Bathroom

Danny (10:31):
is in.

Tyler (10:31):
Right. We we we travel a lot like an RV when you're in
the rooftop tent. Yeah.

Danny (10:35):
For sure.

Tyler (10:36):
You know, we can pop up the tent real quick, shut it
real quick, and then you alsohave the benefit of, like, a
nice shower and

Danny (10:41):
Yeah. Pignite table. Picnic table. You don't have to,
like, you don't have to, like,fully, dirtbag it

Tyler (10:46):
Mhmm.

Danny (10:47):
On a an RV. I like that too. Like me, personally, like,
I'm I'll dirtbag it as much as Ineed to. But for the most part,
when I'm done dirtbagging, I goto an RV spot, and I'll get an
RV spot for sure. Yeah.
It's a little bit more easier.Same thing when we sleep in the
jeep. We Yeah. We tend to, like,gravitate towards the RV spots
because they're a little bitnicer. Yeah.
You know? Yeah. Pay a little bitmore money, but it's kinda like

(11:08):
whatever.

Tyler (11:08):
Yeah. Yeah.

Danny (11:09):
Cheaper than a hotel?

Tyler (11:10):
Yeah. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Definitely cheaper than a hotel.
And, like, the good ones youlike meet, good people there
too.

Danny (11:15):
For sure.

Tyler (11:16):
You know, we were because we were watching CJI Oh. That
weekend. Oh, yeah. Craig Jones.

Danny (11:21):
Forgot that was Yeah. Then that that that happened.
Yeah.

Tyler (11:23):
We should talk about that in a sec because I do have some
questions for you. But, what didyou end up doing? What have you
been up to?

Danny (11:29):
We, man, I've been working. Came home from, let's
see. I mean, like, after thelast podcast, kinda went on a
big long working trip, of oftrying to, like, recover from
Montana. And then, you know,like, for me, I don't have the
same things. I kinda get bummedout every once in a while when I

(11:51):
hear the kids, like, startingback to school and, like Yeah.
Everybody is getting back intotheir grooves, and I'm just
stuck in my, you know, mymidlife, but I don't have young
kids. Yeah. You know, my boysare all older. And so, I had a
pretty rough week. I mean, Ilike, work has been tumultuous.
Like, there's been a lot of lotof bullshit going on in my work

(12:12):
with, like, in house fighting.And I kinda, like, got a little
sucked into it, but not onpurpose and not for any other
not that I was searching it out.Right? Yeah. And I tend to not
deal with conflict very wellRight.
A lot of times. I get better.I'm trying to do better, but
I'll, I'll run to the firefight.Yeah. And I will go guns blazing

(12:37):
if I'm not careful.

Tyler (12:38):
I'm I'm a lot like that. I think I think the way you
handle conflict is is we learnthat from a very young age by
watching our parents and by howwe interact with our parents,
and I think that's one of thebiggest habits that's habits. I
don't know if habits is theright word or if, like, that is,
like, probably one of the mostyeah. I mean, I guess just

(13:01):
patterns pattern. Like, this isthe hardest pattern to break
because I'm this I'm the I'm thesame way.
And here I am, like, you know,nobody wants nobody wants
spiritual guidance from somebodywho's toxic, but there's there
are definitely times when I'mlike, jeez, Tyler. That what you
just said was toxic as fuck inan old in an old pattern.

Danny (13:17):
Well and, like, for me, man, like, if I feel jaded, if I
feel like you've done somethingto me Yeah. Or to somebody that
I care about Yeah. I am I I haveno filter. Yeah. And I have, you
know, attacked maybe the wrongway, maybe the wrong person.

(13:38):
Right. And if I if you know, Ialmost did that at work. I
almost was like, okay. Yeah. I'mI'm in the fight.
Right. I don't care about theconsequences. And a couple of
guys at work had to remind melike, hey, Danny. Don't forget.
You have 20 almost 25 years ofgovernment service.
Like Yeah. Don't throw this awayfor an instant gratification of

(13:59):
of tuning somebody up. And, youknow, like, that happens, and
and and it is what it is, man.Like, I'm kinda mellowed out
from that. So last week, man, itwas crazy.
Misty, I it was Thursday, and Iwas like, god. I just had
finished up with this thing. AndMisty's like, let's get out of
town. And so we thought aboutColorado. We we thought about,

(14:23):
where could we go?
What can we do? And we both werelike, let's go to Vegas. Yeah.
Thursday, got done with kids'classes. I picked her up about 7
o'clock.
We headed to Vegas. We got toVegas about 1 o'clock in the
morning and had the time of ourlives. That's awesome. It was so
fun, man. Like and and her andI, we do Vegas probably
different than every singleother person because we sit by

(14:45):
the pool for 8 to 9 hours, andthen we're usually in bed by,
like, 8 o'clock, 8:30 so we cando it the next day.
Oh my god. And, yeah, it wasfun. We had such a good time.
She got in a float she got afloaty. She was floating around
the pool.
I ended

Tyler (14:58):
up the same you guys go to the same resort?

Danny (15:00):
The same resort.

Tyler (15:00):
We go

Danny (15:01):
to South Point. We go to South Point. I ended up playing
football with these 2 these 3kids. Man, they had such really,
really, really, like, coolpersonalities, and I could tell
this one kid was like he had areally cool personality, but he
was kind of a shithead. Yeah.
And he was being a kind of ashithead. And, yeah, I ended up,

(15:21):
like, getting a little irritatedwith him and being like, he's
not my kid, Danny. Or, like, Idon't have a relationship with
him to, like Yeah. To correcthim for what he was doing. And
then I was like, alright.
Time to go. Missy's like, hey.Time to go. You know, he was
like 14, 15 year old kid, and Iwas just like, I'm gonna drown
this kid. Yeah.
You know, because he was gonnabe in a shithead. But we had a
good time, man. And then we cameback here and, man, right to

(15:44):
open mat yesterday, which wasLabor Day. Yeah. And, dude,
yesterday's open mat was onpoint.
Oh, I mean, it was.

Tyler (15:53):
I think that the energy from there's been a lot of
jujitsu the last coupleweekends. You know?

Danny (15:58):
Yeah. Oh, yeah. After CGI, man, the the the training
after CGI

Tyler (16:02):
Yeah.

Danny (16:03):
Was was was on fire. Yeah. And there were I mean,
everybody was, like, came toparty. Yeah. And so, yeah, I
mean, like, I I think, like,recovering the correct way.
Like, I I like to go and dothings, and if Misty and I can
agree on them, then they're fun.You know? Yeah. I I I like I

(16:25):
said, I I miss that my boysaren't in school and then I'm
not, like, in that, like,stressful time of, like, oh.
Because then wrestling would bestarting then

Tyler (16:32):
Yeah.

Danny (16:33):
Like, everything would be going. Yeah. Be like, oh, I have
this, like, plan for the next 6months of what I need to do for
my boys. Yeah. Where now it'slike, me and Misty are like,
shit.
We're kinda by the seat of ourpants sometimes, which is a new
world for us. Yeah. It's a supernew world, and, like, what we
have planned is is scary. Youknow? We we we both plan to, you

(16:57):
know, move into an RV in thenext Right.
6 to 8 months and see how thatgoes. Maybe, you know, travel
different places, differentareas, and and live out of an
RV. We're we're not sure ifwe're gonna sell our house or
rent our house. So if anybody inthe comments gives me some
ideas, I don't know. We're I'veI had I've had I had interesting

(17:17):
conversations with a lot ofpeople, and both of them had
good points.
I just don't know what's goodfor Misty and I. You know? Yeah.
Yeah. So it's kind of, like,nerve racking that.
That is nerve racking, but we'reboth excited to see how it goes.
So, yeah, let's talk about CJI.

Tyler (17:30):
So I'm you you know, obviously, CJI happens the same.
And for those of you who don'tknow, it's Craig Jones
Invitational, competitive, jiujitsu tournament. We happens the
same weekend as ADCC Which

Danny (17:42):
is by far. I mean, that's the Olympics of that's
considered

Tyler (17:46):
gold standard for

Danny (17:47):
Consider the Olympics of the jiu jitsu. Yeah. That's
true. Over 2 years.

Tyler (17:50):
Yeah. Been the gold standard of of jiu jitsu, the
Abu Dhabi combat club.Obviously, some falling out
with, paying their theirfighters. Right?

Danny (17:59):
Sure.

Tyler (18:02):
Some fantastic matches all in all all in all. Like, it
took me a little longer to getto the ADCC because I didn't
really wanna pay for flowgrappling to to,

Danny (18:14):
and it was hard. Like, yeah, man. Like so ADCC is
great. But I've heard if you'rein person, it's really hard to
watch it because there's 3matches. And you're looking at
this match, and all of a suddenyou hear roar of the crowd.
And you're like, shit. What justhappened? Same thing happens on
Flow. Yeah. You're watching amatch, and it has you know, they
have it kinda good.

(18:35):
Yeah. But you're watching amatch, and all of a sudden you
hear a roar. And you're like,fuck. What just happened? So you
have to go and search what

Tyler (18:42):
just happened. Match. Yeah. That was the nice thing
about CJI.

Danny (18:45):
That was beautiful.

Tyler (18:47):
One it was just one I I loved the the

Danny (18:50):
the map. Amazing.

Tyler (18:51):
Like, the

Danny (18:52):
Yeah.

Tyler (18:52):
Working off those the, like, the walls or the ramps or
whatever, kinda similar to, whatis that? The the one or the

Danny (18:59):
Well, it's kinda like off the karate combat club.

Tyler (19:02):
Karate combat club.

Danny (19:03):
Yeah. Karate combat. Karate combat has the 45 degree,
angles on the wall. So you can'trun off the mat, which ADCC has,
and you can't use it as a cage,which is vertical.

Tyler (19:14):
Yeah.

Danny (19:15):
So you can use the cage as an extension, you know, when
we're at the academy and youhave them wall mats.

Tyler (19:21):
Yeah.

Danny (19:21):
You can use that wall mat as one to protect yourself, and
2, it's it's really a good base.Yeah. Like, if you can attach
yourself to that wall and youknow how to use that wall, it's
amazing. Yeah. But that angle,that was not the way that was.

Tyler (19:34):
Completely different.

Danny (19:34):
It was awesome.

Tyler (19:35):
It did it did cause, like, a bunch of good

Danny (19:38):
Yeah. Good matches. Yeah. Good good match. I think

Tyler (19:39):
the thing that's most interesting to me is, like,
obviously, I didn't know a lotof these everybody knows Gordon
Ryan. Right. You know? I mean, II knew Gordon Ryan. I hadn't
wasn't super familiar with whoCraig Jones was

Danny (19:50):
Oh.

Tyler (19:51):
Until Craig Jones, the invitational.

Danny (19:54):
Yeah.

Tyler (19:55):
And as obviously, there's some there's a little bit of bad
blood there because Craig Jonesand, you know, he was part of

Danny (20:02):
Yeah. The b team that split from the Danaher death
squad. Yeah. Yeah.

Tyler (20:06):
And so there's a little bit of bad blood there, but,
like, what I find interestingis, like, I start just recently
with him last week. I startedfar following on Instagram
because I hadn't previously,Craig Jones and then Gordon
Ryan. And what I find funnyabout Gordon Ryan's posts, is I
almost have to unfollow him.Yeah. Because 99% of his posts

(20:28):
are some chick in a bikini.

Danny (20:29):
Yeah.

Tyler (20:30):
And not that I'm opposed to seeing a chick in a bikini,
but it's like he's postingthirst traps about one of his
companies, and it's, like, verylittle jujitsu comp content.

Danny (20:39):
Sure. Gordon Ryan is by far has he he he's he is a a big
reason why, Nogi jiu jitsu iswhere it's at.

Tyler (20:49):
Absolutely.

Danny (20:50):
But and and and and I don't know. I mean, I'm not you
know, I know, like, he's he'svery blatant that he uses
steroids. Mhmm. And I know that,like, Gordon Ryan pre steroids
and Gordon Ryan after steroids

Tyler (21:07):
Yeah.

Danny (21:07):
There is a huge huge difference.

Tyler (21:09):
Huge difference.

Danny (21:09):
And guys on his team before Yeah. Steroids and then
after steroids, there is a hugedifference. Yeah. So part of it
is is those guys, like, youknow, like Craig Jones, like,
maybe he uses steroids, but notthe same steroids that, Gordon
Ryan uses.

Tyler (21:27):
Yeah.

Danny (21:28):
You know? And and, Craig Jones didn't really make a I
mean, he was a big name until hewas a purple belt, and then he
was a purple belt. And then allof a sudden, it was like, who is
this dude that is like Yeah. Imean, he's got he but he but
body style matters. Right?
Body body the way your bodylooks. Craig Jones has really
long arms, really long legs, andhe's limber. Yeah. But he does

(21:50):
some shit that you're like, thisguy is, like, a genius when it
comes to jujitsu IQ. Yeah.
Same thing with Gordon Ryan.Very but they have I mean, you
know, they have the ability totrain 16 hours a day Right. And
take 8 hours off. Right? Theycould train 16 hours a day if
they want.
You know, every one of themtrained 365 days. The the

Tyler (22:14):
So I guess they've monetized themselves completely
differently from what I cantell. For sure. From what I can
tell. Right?

Danny (22:18):
Like And Craig Jones is able to use Gordon Ryan as the
heel. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know?

Tyler (22:23):
Oh, and he absolutely is.

Danny (22:24):
And and the fact that Gordon Ryan's brother went with
Craig Jones, there's definitelysome, there's definitely
something something happenedthat you're like, oh, there's
probably a pretty good story tothis.

Tyler (22:39):
Yeah.

Danny (22:40):
And they always allude to it, you know, but they never,
they never give the details. Butevery one of them go, oh, if I
told you what if I told you thereal details, it's worse than
you think.

Tyler (22:52):
It's it's it's interesting because I I caught a
little bit of Craig on JoeRogan. It was just a few
minutes. And he's talking aboutDanaher Danaher. Am I
pronouncing that right? He he'sgot an interesting story.
Right? He's obviously he's agenius coach.

Danny (23:05):
Oh, yeah.

Tyler (23:05):
But he was a philosophy professor. Right? And then he
decides to just sell it all outand, like, become this prolific
jujitsu coach.

Danny (23:15):
And and and he's a Henzo Grapesee black belt.

Tyler (23:17):
Yes. I've

Danny (23:20):
heard from multiple people that there are hen in in
that basement area, the it'scalled the basement. The blue I
think it's a blue basement. I Imean, I'm probably wrong.

Tyler (23:28):
But Right.

Danny (23:29):
Hensel Gracie in New York, the the basement area, if
you're invited to train downthere and you go down there,
there are guys that make thatwhole Dena Dena Heard death
squad look like garbage. Really?The guys that in there, the
black belts and the brown beltsand the purple belts in there
are Wow. Like, insanely good.Wow.
And they're all Henzo Gracieguys, which Denner is a a Henzo

(23:52):
Gracie.

Tyler (23:53):
So I got the impression from this Craig Jones interview,
and this is obviously purelyspeculation, but it's, you know,
this philosophy teacher,basically gains a following. And
I'm like, it's very cult cultlife. I mean, jujitsu is already
kind of borderline borderlinecult cult.

Danny (24:11):
I agree.

Tyler (24:11):
But then you get a a a personality, like a dynamic
personality. And I wouldn't sayhe's that dynamic because you
see him in interviews, and he's,like, very dry, very Yeah.
Point. But then, obviously,probably to his community, those
people he actually lets in, I'msure he becomes more of a a
deity in in a way.

Danny (24:28):
Yeah. No. I mean, like yeah. Have you have you ever,
like, heard him how he talks andstuff?

Tyler (24:32):
Yeah.

Danny (24:33):
Like, it's kinda like, woah. Yeah. This guy's got a a
different outlook on life.Right? And he he's not a big
personality, but those guysaround him are big
personalities.
You know? And so, one of thecool things about ADCC is that
you can have a breakoutperformance at ADCC, and all of

(24:56):
a sudden your life changes.Yeah. I don't know if they're
gonna be able to keep that. If,you know, like, it was good.
It was cool. Right. I knowpeople that were at both, and
they said, yeah. ADCC was cool,but, like, last ADCC was, like,
phenomenal. The venue wassmaller.

(25:17):
It felt a little bit more,intimate, and you had all the
people, the the big names there.

Tyler (25:25):
Right?

Danny (25:25):
There were some really cool performances. Man, shout
out Daigneir Hocha. That dude ismy age, and he competed

Tyler (25:33):
Yeah.

Danny (25:33):
At the ADCC with young up and coming lions, and he did not
back down. It it inspired me.

Tyler (25:40):
Yeah.

Danny (25:41):
I was like, I gotta figure out a way to compete at a
healthy way like this guy does.But but a lot of it is is like I
said, he's able to 16 hours aday and and dedicate to his body
and and to his craft. Thereprobably may be some I mean, you
know, I'm not opposed to doingtestosterone or anything like
that at some point in my life.Yeah. But CJI had the draw.

(26:04):
It had the flare. It had the onesingle mat. It had Yeah.
Everything that you couldimagine that you want out of a
jujitsu tournament. Plus, it hadstory lines, and it had, you
know, had lead up, and it hadYeah.
Just guys trying to kill eachother. Yeah. And then I'm
thinking, well, I'm never gonnabe that guy. Like, I'm never
gonna be in the siege. I mean,that Yeah.

(26:25):
Maybe, like, if I was younger.You know? I mean, I personally
Tripp is a good competitor, butI don't know if I would
encourage him to do that shit.Those dudes were willing to just
their entire body sacrificedeverything

Tyler (26:36):
Yeah.

Danny (26:36):
Which is cool as a fan. Right? But it's like, I have no
idea what those guys are doing.

Tyler (26:41):
Right.

Danny (26:41):
I mean, they're probably also injured right now. Right.
They're not gonna fight for

Tyler (26:45):
a couple of month Months.

Danny (26:47):
Yeah. 6, 7 months. Most of them are not gonna fight for
a while Yeah. Because of whatthey did to their bodies. And so
that is cool.
Plus, like, I'm not a I'm not ano gi guy. I'm a gi guy. Yeah.
So I'd like to see, they justhad IBJJF World Masters just
this last weekend, and that wascool. They had a cool story

(27:07):
lines, a bunch of guys that Iknew were fighting there, and my
goal is to compete there nextyear.
Oh, cool. You know, mightymouse, Demetrius Johnson is UFC
competitor, and I like him alot. He's my size. But he just
got a black belt, and he had hisblack belt debut, and he was
fighting he he even said hegoes, I'm a novice, and I'm
fighting these black belts thathave been training since they

(27:28):
were 8 years old. Yeah.
And he had just gotten his blackbelt. But when you go to
master's world, you you know,you could fight, as a black
belt, you could fight a guythat's been

Tyler (27:36):
Doesn't matter.

Danny (27:37):
A black belt for 20

Tyler (27:38):
years. Doesn't matter. Yeah.

Danny (27:39):
Doesn't matter. So I think that's ins that that's
intriguing to me Yeah. To Imean, whatever, man. Like, maybe
you win one match. Maybe you win0 matches, but you your first
match is, like, megaton.

Tyler (27:50):
Yeah.

Danny (27:51):
You know? You're You

Tyler (27:51):
become the man in the arena.

Danny (27:53):
Yeah. Yeah. You're, like, oh, it doesn't matter. It's
amazing.

Tyler (27:55):
You're just competing.

Danny (27:56):
So it's cool to me, like, to think about that with
competition. Yeah. I'd like tohear your, any other of your,
ideas or your perspective ofCJI.

Tyler (28:06):
I watched I I watched again, I watched CJI. I got my
kids to watch CJI because wewere camping, and it was like it
was easier it was easier towatch. Sure. There was some
really frustrating things withhow it was it was streamed on
Google. Google inserting theirown ads in in pivotal points
during the during the matchesthat was kinda frustrating.
But

Danny (28:25):
I'm sorry. That you didn't watch it on YouTube?

Tyler (28:28):
So sorry. Google is YouTube. Sorry. YouTube and
Google there. This is the samething.

Danny (28:32):
Oh, we didn't have any ads.

Tyler (28:33):
You didn't have any ads? None. Oh, I watched it on the b
team channel. So maybe I justmaybe I just watched it wrong.

Danny (28:39):
Same. We watched it on YouTube, on our TV, on Oh,

Tyler (28:44):
well, I I don't maybe you have maybe you have the premium
YouTube.

Danny (28:46):
Oh, maybe.

Tyler (28:47):
Maybe you have premium YouTube.

Danny (28:48):
Tristan bought. I bet I bet Tristan encouraged me to
pay. For a premium? Yeah. Oh,yeah.
Yeah. We had none. And 0. That'scrazy.

Tyler (28:58):
Yeah.

Danny (28:58):
I could that would be that would be that would piss me
off.

Tyler (29:01):
At the end at the end of the day, there was so there was
a bunch of matches I missed onday 1 that I had to go back and
rewatch. There were Tolobrothers who I'm actually kind
of kind of big fans of, butthey're I think they're they're
they're in a really interestingposition because they're a third
party, and they're they're notthe Danaher desk squad. They're
not b team. They're like theirown entity. Yeah.

(29:22):
They're kind of the wildcards.They got a real you you know,
watching that match between Cadeand Levi Yeah. At the end, and
since it's now, we're gonna havehave some spoilers here. So if
you haven't if you haven'twatched, like, you know, feel
free to pause and come back.But, like, I feel like the I
feel like the crowd kindabuckled.

Danny (29:44):
Oh, sure.

Tyler (29:45):
The crowd kinda buckled. Not that I and and and rightly
so, like, watching Levi as muchas I love Australians, watching
watching Levi just defend didnot make for interesting TV.

Danny (29:58):
Well and then so and so for me, like, the way Levi was
fighting was as a jujitsu guy.Oh. Right? And Cade was fighting
kind of, like, recklessly

Tyler (30:10):
Yeah.

Danny (30:10):
As, also as what you wanna see jiu jitsu grow into.

Tyler (30:15):
Right.

Danny (30:15):
So it was a contrast of styles, like, so bad.

Tyler (30:18):
Ab absolutely. Absolutely. I could see I could
see how it's, like, obviously, ahardcore jiu jitsu practitioner.
Right? Like, you wanna see thehighest level.
You wanna see engagement. Yeah.As somebody who's wanting
entertainment, you know, you youwe're we're comparing all of
this to UFC. Or there's UFC isthere constantly there's
constantly action. You know,people are booing if there's not

(30:38):
a knockout, if there's not gamemakers.
You know, they don't understandthe tactics and style. So I
could see where Levi won thatthat match because his jujitsu
was more

Danny (30:49):
Yeah. It was more jujitsu. Yes.

Tyler (30:50):
Tech technical. Sure. And I think Cade was very
frustrated, and he was justthrowing everything at him to
just try to make itentertaining. And,

Danny (30:58):
yeah. Because on one side, Levi never pass tried to
pass Cade's guard.

Tyler (31:02):
Right.

Danny (31:03):
Cade did, but never could pass Levi's guard. Mhmm. And,
I'm a huge Rotolo fan. Mhmm. Sopart of that is is the the
Rotolo's come from Atos, andthey are a gi a very big gi
school they probably just barelygot into.
I think, Andre Gebel is the isthe main guy. I think he won

(31:23):
ADCC a bunch of times. He hadsome big accolades. So they they
have they're they're one ofthose schools that can blend
Yeah. Gi and no gi together withtheir competitors.
So I think that that's kind ofcool. Yeah. That that to me was,
like, where you are going togain followers Yeah. But lose,

(31:45):
like, jujitsu, you know, highend jujitsu guys of, like, why
you know, how how how did Levilose? Right.
That that's what I wondered is,like, okay. Tell me how Levi
lost. How did he lost? How didhe lose? Because he didn't
because, I mean, he did he, inthe rules, did everything that
he was supposed to do.

Tyler (32:06):
Right.

Danny (32:06):
In the rules Right. In the rules, so you have to change
the rules. Right? Yep. Or, Imean, Kate technically could not
pass his guard.
Right. I mean, he was throwingeverything at him and and Levi
was stuffing him. Right. Katedefinitely was not gonna put his
leg in Levi's guard.

Tyler (32:22):
Right.

Danny (32:23):
I'm not a leg locker. You know? Right. I I very small
small small small dabbling

Tyler (32:30):
Mhmm.

Danny (32:31):
In leg lock game. I'm leg lock defense. Yeah. You know, if
you grab my leg, I'm defending.I'm but I'm not grabbing your
leg.
I'm gonna I don't think about itlike that. Yeah. I I defend my
legs. So Cade was not gonna puthis ankle, his leg, his knee
anywhere near Right. Levi'sguard because he would get it
ripped off.
Yeah. You know? And so that waskinda crazy to me also. What did

(32:55):
you did you what what was yourgoing into it, what was your
thoughts on Craig and Gabbygoing into it? Because I know
because we had this conversationYeah.
Going into it.

Tyler (33:07):
Yeah. Yeah. Because I we we had the conversation around,
like, what if a high level like,2 high level belts equally
weighted and matched, like,competed together. I want to
tread lightly because, I don'twant to offend anyone.

Danny (33:24):
But On paper, Gabby is

Tyler (33:26):
is a man.

Danny (33:27):
Times. Not on paper. Not on paper. But on but on paper,
Gabby is 10 times 15 times thejujitsu player that Craig is.

Tyler (33:38):
It you wouldn't have you wouldn't have you wouldn't have
guessed. Not even You couldn'thave guessed. No. Like, her
fumbling with that heel hook,that inside heel hook, it didn't
seem like she knew what she wasdoing, yeah, to lock it up. Like
and I'm like, I'm I'm just alowly blue belt.
Like, I could tell that she was,like, fumbling around with it.
Didn't really know how to secureit when she was shoot. Like, it

(34:00):
would be like me trying to put aleg lock on Craig and and Craig
was so effortless in hismovement. Like, I think at the
end of the day, it was a funmatch to watch because, the
spirit in which they wereputting it on, like, was really
was really beautiful. Like,Gabby gave it giving up her her
hall of fame.

Danny (34:19):
Let me tell you that.

Tyler (34:21):
You know, in an effort for for these athletes to get
paid. For sure. Right? Like, Ithink it's cool to encourage
encourage athletes to become thebest, and the only way to do
that is if they can they canmake a living doing it.

Danny (34:33):
I agree.

Tyler (34:33):
And we have the same problem in lacrosse. Right?
Like, we have several differenthigh levels of lacrosse, but,
you know, the pro level lacrossedoes not make the same as the
pro level NFL player. Yeah.

Danny (34:43):
I agree.

Tyler (34:44):
And and a lot of that has to do with the appeal and the
eyes and advertisers and thingslike that because that's how it
gets paid.

Danny (34:49):
But I agree.

Tyler (34:50):
You have to start figuring out how to pay them.
And I think for all the foiblesof CJI, getting them paid was
beneficial. Beneficial. Theyhave room for improvement, but
it's definitely put ADCC onnotice. They have 10 times the
sponsors, 10 times the thedollars.

Danny (35:08):
Yeah. Don't yeah. Put it to where the put it to where the
money should go Right. Which isthe entertainment, which is the
athletes. Right.
I you know, I mean, you could goto a high school gym and and put
on ADCC. Yeah. All I care about.Yeah. Sure.
You're not gonna get the samekind of fans, but but at the end
of the day, I think they had,like, some sort of double digit
million views Yeah. For CJI.Maybe even more than double

(35:31):
digit, maybe triple digitmillion views for CJI Yeah. As
opposed to this this the thethe, you know, the the butts in
the seats, which you're gonnaget the the the that you want
the views. Right?
I'll tell you this. What I thinkis, high level jujitsu high
level jujitsu is high leveljujitsu.

Tyler (35:51):
Mhmm.

Danny (35:51):
High level jujitsu I q is high level jujitsu I q. If you
put a high level jujitsu blackbelt woman against a high level
jujitsu black belt man, just theway the bodies are, the way
things are, just may not workout. Right. But I train with
purple belt, brown belt womenwho I have to be so careful with

(36:13):
because at any time, they willcatch you. They have technique.
They have, I'm dealing with awrist injury because I got put
into a wrist lock that I was notprepared for. Wrist lock, and
the woman I mean, she meantbusiness. She meant business.
She's super injured right now.She's super injured right now.

(36:35):
And she put a wrist lock on methat I had to scream.

Tyler (36:39):
Yeah.

Danny (36:41):
And it caught me off guard. It hurt, and it still
hurts to this day.

Tyler (36:45):
Yeah.

Danny (36:46):
It hurts. So if you are I mean, women who buy into jiu
jitsu, who have the technique,who do the things, who go to
class, who train to win, totrain to kill. You know? Shout
out Anne. She comes and trainswith us.
Mhmm. She was at World's Master.She's a bronze. You know? Yeah.

(37:08):
Man, all all of those women thatcome and train with us, like,
they they hold their own for themost part. You know? And I and I
appreciate that. At some point,though, like, things just, you
know, things start to eat. Youknow?
The the the the weight starts togo Yeah. In one direction. Yeah.
And that's obvious. Right?
Does it mean that we can't havefun and that we shouldn't still

(37:30):
be careful? No. Oh, yeah. AndYeah. That was cool to me with
with, Gabby and Craig Yeah.
Was that it was it was awesome.

Tyler (37:38):
Right. And they can make a spectacle out of it. It didn't
it you know, the money went tocharity.

Danny (37:42):
It didn't take away?

Tyler (37:43):
It didn't no.

Danny (37:44):
And it added Oh,

Tyler (37:45):
if anything if anything, I was, like, so stoked to watch
stoked. To watch CJA becauseCraig did a really good job
marketing it.

Danny (37:52):
Yeah.

Tyler (37:54):
You know, the the OnlyFans collabs, the, like,
kissing her at

Danny (37:59):
Oh, dude. That shit was so funny.

Tyler (38:01):
Weigh ins and just, like, her disgust. You've gone too
far. Everything he did, you'vegone too far, Chris. You've gone
too far.

Danny (38:08):
That's it. I'm not doing this again. It's like and he's
over there, like,

Tyler (38:11):
just like a little kid.

Danny (38:12):
Like, oh my god. God. Yes. You know?

Tyler (38:14):
Yeah. Teasing his, like,

Danny (38:15):
teasing his sister

Tyler (38:16):
Yeah.

Danny (38:16):
Or or his best friend. And and then at the end of the
you know, when they gave her,Gabby, the mic to talk because
I've watched Gabby a bunch, youknow, in in IBJJF stuff and in,
and in MMA and in the ADCCstuff. And, yes, she yes. There

(38:37):
are things that people, like,tease her about. She always has
a good, a good outlook and agood Yeah.
Forthcoming about things. Yes.There are yes. I mean, there
there are people that are trollsthat are going to say shitty
things about her. Yeah.
You know? To me, I think, youknow, she is I mean, she's a a a
very big woman who would kickthe absolute shit out of me.

(39:01):
Yep. You know? Yeah.
And whether I'm whether whatevershe decided to do, she could
have her way Yeah. With me. Youknow? And so I was stoked on
that. The the whole CJI, Ithought, was just a little bit
better, but I think theexcitement was better.

(39:23):
So next year, it'll beinteresting to see, like, do
they do CJI again? Becausethey're gonna do a women's
bracket, I believe.

Tyler (39:29):
Mhmm.

Danny (39:30):
They'll have super fights, and I know Craig and
Nikki Rod are trying to getGordon to come and fight them
there. Will he do that? The thelead up to that will be kind of
fun. And so I I think overall,jujitsu gained followers. Yeah.
It gained perspective from fromits practitioners. Us,

(39:51):
hobbyists, which I wouldconsider hobbyists, we don't
repeat it a lot. Did it changeour life? Did it change our
world? I don't know.
I mean, like, I don't know if itdid or not. Competitors that,
you know, are out there, did itchange their world? I mean, I
kinda showed you what you needto do. Yeah. You know, kinda
showed you where you're ifyou're willing to sacrifice your
entire body for the rest of yourlife

Tyler (40:12):
Set the bar.

Danny (40:13):
Set that that that's that's what it's gonna require.
It's gonna require a lot of ofsacrifice, and Tripp and I
talked about that a lot becausehe is a competitor. He's a high
level competitor in in certainaspects. You know, he's 20 years
old at at, a purple belt. He'snot he's not done jujitsu the
length of, like, most people,but he rested his entire life.

(40:33):
He has been on the mat sincehe's 4 years old. Yeah. He
doesn't know a single thing. Itell people all the time, he
literally plays with me.

Tyler (40:42):
Yeah. Uh-oh. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.
Yesterday, he

Danny (40:45):
was He played. He was he, like, doesn't give a shit what
he

Tyler (40:47):
Yeah. The whole this yesterday, this whole time I'm
defending the violin, all of asudden throws a triangle up, and
I'm like, I wasn't even thetriangle wasn't even in the the
realm of the problem I'm trying

Danny (40:58):
to solve. Did you watch Evil?

Tyler (40:59):
Yeah. No.

Danny (41:00):
Grabbed the knife

Tyler (41:01):
Oh, yeah.

Danny (41:01):
And started stabbing Will. Will freaked out, grabbed
the knife back from Tripp

Tyler (41:05):
Yeah.

Danny (41:05):
Starts stabbing Tripp. Tripp, chokes him.

Tyler (41:09):
And he was like Will was like, what the fuck? And he's
like, Will had the

Danny (41:13):
tap with a knife in his hand. I'm thinking, just act
like you're stabbing him. Hegoes, I did, but he chokes me
and I had the tap.

Tyler (41:20):
We were laughing. And I

Danny (41:22):
was thinking, this is a 20 year old kid

Tyler (41:23):
Right.

Danny (41:24):
That comes in, hangs out with the with these men with
these men.

Tyler (41:27):
Yeah.

Danny (41:28):
And that's like, he is so high level for for thank god
Yeah. Mike, Nick, Anthony,Cookie, Keith. Yeah. Thank god
our black belts keep him humble.Yeah.
Because he's not I mean, he'snot arrogant. No. No. He's
confident. Yes.
Because he'll he'll train with Imean, he was training with the

(41:50):
white belts, and they werehaving just as much fun Yeah. As
as anybody else. Yeah. Right?Because he doesn't he doesn't
make you feel like you're you'renot his friend.
Yeah. So So you don't wanna losethat. No. Right? And so we we we
appreciate that with him, buthe's 20 years old, a purple
belt, and his I mean, he hasn'teven he's still on his

(42:13):
trajectory.
Yeah. Yeah. Who knows what hisbar is? But I always tell him,
like, I don't want his kneesjacked up. I don't want his
ankles messed up.
I don't want him

Tyler (42:22):
Let's cripple

Danny (42:24):
gargoyle Gargoyle

Tyler (42:25):
knuckles that that a lot of those high level players
have.

Danny (42:27):
Yeah. I don't want that. So then you're like, okay. Well,
what's what's what's it what'sit what's it what does jujitsu
look like for him?

Tyler (42:33):
Yeah.

Danny (42:34):
What does it look like for him? You know? Because is he
a high level competitor? No.Because he has to work he has to
work.
He has to work. He's still kindof a hobbyist Right. With a high
IQ, and he's been on the matsince 4 o'clock 4 years old.
Yeah. But, man, when he I mean,Will, I wish I coulda recorded
that because it was so funnythat Will, you know, like I
said, had the knife in his handand was tapping.

Tyler (42:59):
And I was like,

Danny (43:01):
come on, dude. What are you doing on the hook? You stab
him.

Tyler (43:04):
Yeah. Oh,

Danny (43:04):
it was so funny. And then there was a time when, Will is
standing, and Tripp arm dragsinto his back, jumps on his
back, and he's on Will's backlike a little kid. And Will's
trying to shake him off. And Iwas thinking, you know, in the
real world, Will would just jumpback Jump in the back. Hurt
Tristan, but it was so funny towatch.

(43:25):
And, you don't lose that. No.Right? And so I think, like, we
we have the best of both worldsin our academy. We have lots of
high level guys.
We have young up and coming guyswho keep it fun. Right? I I I
was thinking you did get apromotion while we were on
break. Correct?

Tyler (43:43):
I got I got a Stripe.

Danny (43:45):
We have not talked about that yet.

Tyler (43:46):
I didn't get a Stripe.

Danny (43:48):
It's it's Was it expected?

Tyler (43:50):
No. What? No. Yeah. No.
We just, you know, you go younever know. Right? I thought you
know, I'm I'm due probably classwise. Right? Like, there's a
correlation between the thehours you put in and and right?
Like, the the paper. Right? Thepaper of when you should be
promoted. Right? But I I learnedlong ago, like, not to really

(44:11):
not care about that because it'smore it's more about, like, are
you speaking jujitsu on the map?
Sure. And so, yeah, I was notwas not prepared

Danny (44:19):
for it.

Tyler (44:20):
I know we got a

Danny (44:20):
same time. Right?

Tyler (44:21):
Yeah. And I know we've got a a ceremony coming up. So
I'm like, maybe at the ceremony,but, like, no. Nick surprised us
completely.

Danny (44:27):
Didn't when you're surprised by Nick, how awesome
does that

Tyler (44:30):
feel? It it it always feels the best. The best. Right?
And that's when you, like it itfeels foolish, but you probably
saw my post.
I'm like, this guy's celebratingone stripe, but I'm like, hell,
yeah. I'm celebrating onestripe. Like, it

Danny (44:41):
was not Nick.

Tyler (44:42):
Yeah. It was not, it was not it wasn't easily earned.
Right? There was a lot of therewas a lot of sweat and pain and
wrist locks and, you know, beatup.

Danny (44:55):
And Ray is your battle buddy.

Tyler (44:56):
Yeah.

Danny (44:57):
He he you guys are kinda you guys tested together?

Tyler (44:59):
We tested together.

Danny (44:59):
And you guys are on the same projection together. And,
Ray is I mean, he's coming intohis own.

Tyler (45:06):
He's yeah.

Danny (45:07):
I mean dude is a nightmare.

Tyler (45:08):
We have Ray and I definitely will go to war with
each other. Like, you know,obviously, he brings that he
brings that cop energy, which isgreat, and and also not great at
times. Right? You sometimes youjust want a an easy role, but
you're never

Danny (45:24):
You never you

Tyler (45:25):
never guarantee that. Like, you know, and sometimes
more often than than not, hegets me. He's got that little
bit more and he's a little bitmore intense. Just maybe that's
that cop mentality that Yeah.

Danny (45:38):
He also like, you're an experimenter.

Tyler (45:40):
Yeah.

Danny (45:41):
You experiment in jiu jitsu. You're you you have the
ability to experiment. So, like,one cool thing about Tyler is,
somebody will show a move, andTyler will try that move, you
know, until the umpteenth Yeah.Time. And he'll catch you with
it sometimes, which is, like,how you how you should do

(46:02):
jujitsu in my opinion.
Yeah. There's also those guysthat they have their game, and
they live in that world. Yeah.If the technique fits that world
Yes. Then they adjust it.
Yeah. You will double check thetechnique multiple times, and
maybe it doesn't work, maybe itdoesn't. Maybe it does, maybe it
doesn't, but you always, like,continue. Yeah. Right?

(46:25):
And so Ray is one of those thisis my world. Yeah. And this is
where I live. Yeah. So as you'rean experimenter Yeah.
He's kind of, like, figured outsome of his oh, my beer kind of
like

Tyler (46:36):
That's right.

Danny (46:37):
Cut out. My beer or, sorry. My

Tyler (46:40):
Feed the snake. Feed the snake.

Danny (46:42):
My beer is sorry. My beer in the middle, my beer started
foaming over because I when I'mwatching the, YouTube. But Ray
lives he knows where he lives.

Tyler (46:57):
Yeah.

Danny (46:58):
And so as you're experimenting, he'll catch you
where you live. Yeah. You know,where you're, like,
experimenting experimenting. Oh,shit. He caught me.
Yeah. You know?

Tyler (47:06):
Yeah.

Danny (47:06):
So I think it's good because you guys both have
different games, which is thecraziest thing to me about jiu
jitsu. Yeah. We're all taught bythe same instructors. Yeah. We
all teach the same techniques.
We all do the same techniques.And you find out where you live.
I find out where I live, andthen there's absolutely nothing

(47:28):
that's going to change you yourmindset except for you'll always
be an experimenter. Yes. And,eventually, you'll find out
where you you're like, oh, Iknow I know these spots.
There's there's things that I'mlike, I will not let you grab
certain, limbs Yeah. That I'mlike, nope. Because I know that
you know you live in that world.Yeah. Maybe I don't.

(47:50):
And you I know. Don't do thatbecause you also have a tax off
of those. Yeah. With Ray, I alsoknow do not let him get that
position because you're nevergetting that.

Tyler (48:02):
You're never getting it

Danny (48:02):
back. Yeah. You're never getting out of it. Yeah. And so
it's cool because, it's the mostexciting thing to me about jiu
jitsu is that you get to havethis game and this world that
you can develop into your ownworld.

Tyler (48:18):
Yes.

Danny (48:19):
And because you need people, you need me, you can,
like, develop that world

Tyler (48:26):
Yeah.

Danny (48:27):
Around another human

Tyler (48:29):
Yeah.

Danny (48:30):
That, maybe it works. Yeah. And then, yeah, white
belts. Right? There's Mitch andGrant, and Grant was on fire
yesterday, yesterday.
Yeah. He caught

Tyler (48:38):
me yesterday. He caught me in, got me in a camora.

Danny (48:42):
He that dude was he was doing this funny thing that I
showed him. The I called the thethe cop. Yeah. But I grabbed
your arm and put it behind yourback.

Tyler (48:50):
Yep. That's exactly what he caught me in.

Danny (48:51):
And you're like, you're stuck like a cop.

Tyler (48:54):
Yep.

Danny (48:55):
He did it to me, and I was like, you little shit. Yeah.
So I had to, like, do some I hadto really, really, really think
about it of, like, okay. Don'tget turned.

Tyler (49:07):
Yes.

Danny (49:08):
And I was like, okay. I kinda want him to put me on my
back so I could triangle himbecause his arm is down. Yeah.
So now he's technically one arm,one in one time one arm out.
Right?
And I was like, okay. I want himto, like, sweep me so I could
throw a triangle on him. Andwhen I did, he was like, that
nobody he he looked at me and hewas like, wow. Nobody does that.
And he he was like, wow.

(49:30):
That was awesome. Yeah. Becausehe had been beating people up
with it. Yeah. You know?
And, what a crazy world that welive in where we're able to
witness, we're able to watch,high level guys and go in there
and do it ourselves. Yeah.Right?

Tyler (49:46):
Yeah. Like, you're

Danny (49:46):
able to do it yourself. You're able to go in there and,
like, watch CJI, watch ADCC,watch IBJJF stuff, watch high
level jujitsu. And since youpractice it, you speak it a tiny
bit. Yeah. Right?
And you're like, there is noendgame.

Tyler (50:00):
There is no

Danny (50:00):
endgame. Like, we're not gonna ever be because we're not
racing to a black belt. Like yousaid, you're not racing to
promotions.

Tyler (50:06):
Yeah.

Danny (50:06):
You're like, if I get promoted, cool. If I don't,
okay. Yeah. Doesn't matter tome. Yeah.
I'm not racing because whathappens when you get a black
belt? Are you gonna quit? No.No. The whole thing starts all
over.

Tyler (50:17):
Right.

Danny (50:19):
When with with that being said, like, that's why, to me,
if you haven't tried jiu jitsu,it's so hard. Yeah. It it's
what's hard about it because,like, you walk into this room
where there are these guys whodo it, and you're just starting.

(50:41):
Yeah. You're like, oh my gosh.
I want to know what they knowtoday.

Tyler (50:47):
Yes. You know? You wanna be able to play at that level
and have it be a fun game. Thereare there are players that we
play with that I know that I amprobably not that fun to roll
with. You know what I mean?
Like, if you know? And and andand I'm aware of it. Like, I do
my best, but I don't knowenough. I don't speak the
language enough to, like, evenfor it to even be fun for some

(51:08):
of those people.

Danny (51:09):
I disagree with you a 100%.

Tyler (51:10):
I mean, maybe you're right. Maybe I think it's

Danny (51:12):
more of, like, your insecurities Okay. With your own
game.

Tyler (51:17):
Yeah.

Danny (51:18):
I think the same thing, like, with me and Will. Yeah.
Will's 63. Yes. I'm 55 on a goodday.
No way. He weighs probably 200and something pounds. Yeah.
2.50. 140 pounds.
Yeah. In all aspects of thisworld, we should never be able
to communicate on the jiu jitsumatch.

Tyler (51:37):
Right.

Danny (51:38):
And there's times when I'm like, he's just he he could
maul me. Right. And he says, Ihave no idea what to do with
you. Yeah. No.
Your your your arms are small.Yeah. Your legs are small.

Tyler (51:49):
Yeah.

Danny (51:49):
Your body's small. I'm nothing and I'm like, this is I
think it's just the fact thatwe, like, have insecurities Oh,
yeah. With that. But I think,like, I've watched you train
with most everybody, and youspeak enough jujitsu to have
fun. I just think that you'reyou're worried sometimes about,
like, pissing off the wronganimal.

Tyler (52:07):
Yes. Right. We've done that. Right? We've done that.
We've made that mistake. Youmake these mistakes all

Danny (52:11):
the time.

Tyler (52:11):
You don't wanna do it. But, yeah, you make these
mistakes and you, you know, ithappens.

Danny (52:15):
Some of that insecurities from different from, like, how
you perceive things Yes. Yeah.Is how, like, just in general in
life. Right? In general in life,like, how you see it, how I see
it Yeah.
Sometimes doesn't mesh together.Right. But if we can find, like,
a common path or a commonwalking path Right. We can still

(52:38):
get to the same destination thatwe're looking for. Yeah.
Right? Yeah. Because in myopinion, when I watch some of
you guys train, I see, like, somuch of other instructors and
that you've gone to thatinstructor's class, like, a ton.

Tyler (52:56):
Yeah.

Danny (52:57):
Right? Okay. Yeah. Like we were talking about with with
Nick. I've only gotten maybe 1or 2 stripes from Nick.
And each time, I've always beenlike, dude, if Nick gives you a
stripe Yeah. Holy shit. Yeah. Ifhe gives you a stripe, like,
man, that means that he's seensomething or you've done
something that he's stoked on.Yeah.
Right? And and then whenprofessor gives you a stripe, it

(53:20):
always means, like, more. Yeah.I've only seen Anthony give a
couple stripes. That.
And I've always been like to geta stripe from Anthony would be
like, dude, you've done. You'veyou've you've accomplished that.

Tyler (53:33):
Right? I've yeah. I can only imagine.

Danny (53:35):
Yeah.

Tyler (53:35):
I can only imagine.

Danny (53:36):
Yeah. That would be, to me, that's a goal for mine. Oh.
Like, I wanna get a stripe fromAnthony. Like, I I wanna because
I I mean, I'm not big onpromotions either, but there are
people that I'm like

Tyler (53:47):
Well, they they do they mean something, man. Like, like,
you they you have to turn theminto something in your journey.
Right? Like and this is why wehate the the Internet trolls,
the jujitsu Internet trolls.Right?
Like, they'll make fun of youfor being excited about one
stripe as a white belt. Right?Like, there's all these memes
about, like Yeah. Right? Likeand we've been there, but, like,

(54:08):
that shit keeps you in it.
It keeps you going. It keeps youmotivated. It it shows that
you're you're progressing.Right? And it's not karate where
you're getting a new belt every6 weeks just because of

Danny (54:20):
Of movement.

Tyler (54:21):
Of movement. Right? Or you've you've got the right hiya
with your karate chop. You know?Like, I mean, it's it's yes.
There is a correlation betweenthe hours you put on the mat and
what your professors see youdoing on the mat, but it doesn't
always equate.

Danny (54:36):
Right.

Tyler (54:37):
It doesn't always equate. Like, there's a standard, but
then the standard is open tointerpretation.

Danny (54:41):
I agree. Right? Man, that's so that is that's a very
it's such a good that's such anyou could go really deep into
that too.

Tyler (54:50):
Yeah. I I think I I think absolutely. I right? Like, we
courses have a syllabus, and andand everything is open for
interpretation on on how youaccomplish that or how you
actually get there. Maybe youdon't.
Like, I didn't think I wasworthy of my first stripe when
Nick gave he Nick gave me myfirst white belt stripe too.

Danny (55:06):
Oh, really? Wow. Yes. Two stripes for Nick. Lucky.

Tyler (55:09):
Well, I mean but I mean, it's been a significant period
of time. Right? Like, you know,I I've tried to go to Nick's
classes.

Danny (55:15):
You you are a you are a regular attender of Nick's
classes. Yes. For sure. I wouldagree with that.

Tyler (55:20):
And and he's been, like, he's been instrumental in my
journey. Right? Like, his, youknow, his encouragement he's
like a he's very much like anolder brother.

Danny (55:30):
For sure. I don't know where, age wise, where we're at.
Way young.

Tyler (55:33):
Is he? Yeah. May he he's younger than me? Yeah. Yeah.
For sure. So, like, he but hedoes. He feels like he's got
that older brother energy, likeand and it's cool to have that
in the gym and, like, he justhas to be himself. He just, you
know, he comes in and and hedominates them. Like, he he

Danny (55:49):
looks effortless. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny because,
so there's a podcast with JeffCurran that just came out.
I'll share it with you. I I waslistening to this week, and they
were kinda talking about how,like, Pedro Sours, he I don't
know how they exactly they saidit, but they were saying how,
like, it takes a little bitlonger at Pedro Sours Academy to

(56:10):
be promoted and to getpromotions and to to get to your
black belt. It takes a littlebit longer than most academies,
which which is not bad in myopinion. Yeah. And I've always
thought to myself, like, I've,you know, I I've I've started
I've trained with otherprofessors.
You know, Gustavo has been waswho I started with, but then he

(56:30):
pointed me towards Mike, andI've been with Mike my entire
time. Yeah. And Jeff said thesame thing about Pedro. Like, he
was with Pedro. He was withother people, but when he got
with Pedro, like, he was like,I'm a Pedro.

Tyler (56:43):
Yeah.

Danny (56:44):
We have people in our academy who have been from other
academies, and and I thinkyou've gotten some other people,
but I'm a Mike Diaz. Oh, yeah.When I get my black belt, if
Mike if and when Mike promotesme, I'm a Mike Diaz black belt.
Yes. My entire journey fromwhite belt to black belt will
have been with Mike Diaz.
Yeah. And I think about that,like, when I think about the

(57:06):
people that have gotten theblack belts because my goal
would be into the top 5, top 10of his black belts. Mhmm. And he
was telling us a story the otherday about, like, how you have to
have a certain amount of stripesto be coupled to promote a black
belt. Mhmm.
And me and Tripp were like, oh,that makes sense. Like, that
makes sense. He had to put he hehe believes that. He lives that

(57:28):
jujitsu lifestyle fully. Yeah.
And so, you know, I I've onlybeen with Mike for my journey.

Tyler (57:37):
Yeah.

Danny (57:37):
You know? And so I think about that with you, and I think
about that with everybody. LikeYeah. The guys that have started
with Mike, and I think, like,all the seminars that we attend
and all the Pedro stuff that weattend, like, we are the the
front runners of this journeyand of this lifestyle that we're
promoting that we're like, hey.This really does change your

(57:57):
life.
Yeah. We still struggle. Yeah. Istill have moments where I'm not
stoked on myself and stoked onmy where I'm at. I'm not
accomplishing the things that Iwanna accomplish, but, you know,
the consistency that's always isthere is jujitsu.
Yeah. Yeah. Always there.

Tyler (58:15):
Yeah. And that I mean, oftentimes, that all that's all
it takes is that consistency.Consistency. That consistency of
showing up.

Danny (58:21):
Yep. Which if you think about that in, like, the broad
spectrum, like, if we're ifwe're not we're not where we
wanna be that day Yeah. Tomorrowwill come. But what if we just
went to, you know, a class andhad fun with the instructor and,
you know, trained a little bitlike yesterday and walked away
and you can be like, reset.

Tyler (58:42):
Yeah.

Danny (58:43):
Reset my buttons.

Tyler (58:43):
Oh, it it it totally is. It totally is. Totally is a
reset.

Danny (58:47):
Yeah. Always. We did we we did cover a lot.

Tyler (58:51):
It's a big, big episode. And I don't know. We're we're
switching up the the recordingschedule. We're trying to get
more consistent as we get intowintertime. Yeah.
We'd love to get the bus outmaybe one more time. Maybe on
the even when the colors pop.

Danny (59:03):
For sure. We can get out. Yeah. Let's get it started. We,
what do you have coming up?

Tyler (59:10):
Let's see. What do I have coming up? Nothing. My birthday.
Your birthday.
Yeah. Birthdays.

Danny (59:15):
Birthdays. To celebrate our birthdays on the belt test.
Oh, yeah. Right? Yours is the26th.
Yep. Mine's the 27th. Yep. Belttest 28th. Yeah.
Do you have the kids' scheduleat that time?

Tyler (59:28):
They're coming they're I they're cut I'm gonna try to get
them to come with me. I bet Cozywill come.

Danny (59:32):
Oh, Ben. She's usually pretty good about coming to that
country.

Tyler (59:35):
Ben will be it'll be questionable, especially if
there's something going on Atthe school. At the school. Maybe
a barbecue or I don't know.Like, I haven't heard anything,
but, like, maybe if theycorrelate that with

Danny (59:47):
He's a sophomore?

Tyler (59:49):
Ben is a sophomore. I know. That's insane. I know.
Well, I know what's what's weirdis that, like, him and Timmy are
the same age, and they're justlike I and Timmy kicks my trash
quite often.

Danny (01:00:00):
It's like a whole lot of opposites.

Tyler (01:00:02):
Yeah. Yeah. But Timmy just grew up on the mat. Like

Danny (01:00:05):
Yeah. His whole life has been there.

Tyler (01:00:07):
It's like a wild wild monkey

Danny (01:00:09):
all popped up on Mountain Dew. A dude caught me in an
armbar the other day that was sobeautiful. Yeah. And all I could
do was, like, man, beautiful.I'm like And then I darced the
absolute fuck out of him, and itwasn't even nice.
He was not stoked about it.

Tyler (01:00:23):
Yeah. Yeah.

Danny (01:00:25):
Yeah. That's yeah. We have we have the adult test
coming up at the end of themonth. Yep. I don't think we
have anything crazy besides,just that.
And Yeah. Birthdays, yeah,birthdays are so close. That's
crazy that our birthdays are aday apart. Yeah. Yeah.
And then,

Tyler (01:00:46):
nothing is We're getting into the we're getting into the
fall. Fall.

Danny (01:00:49):
Yeah. Summer went by fast.

Tyler (01:00:51):
Went by so fast, man. Doesn't even feel real. Doesn't
even

Danny (01:00:54):
feel real.

Tyler (01:00:55):
Good. I know. It goes by so fast. I think too, like, I
don't know, just not having Imean, we we work. Right?
Like, we you and I work. Yeah.We work. The kids have all this
time off and, you know, theyexpect to be entertained and,
like, I'm sure, yeah. I don'tknow.
It just went by so fast. It'sYeah.

Danny (01:01:16):
Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate the conversation. It kinda it
kinda grew legs on its own, andand I always like that about,
like, I love talking about jiujitsu.

Tyler (01:01:27):
Right.

Danny (01:01:27):
And I think, like, for me, if you can find an academy,
if you can there's there's a lotof people where it's just a
transaction. Yeah. You know, Ipay you to teach me moves. You
promote me. I get to my blackbelt, and then what's left?
No. No. When you find thatfamily family organic place

(01:01:48):
where you feel like you're apart of something

Tyler (01:01:51):
Yeah.

Danny (01:01:51):
Growing and something bigger and you can help people.
So the other day, me and Trentand, Mark, the black belt Mark,
the Navy SEAL were training.And, so we are sponsored. We are
big proponents of Jits Rings.You know?
We have Jits Rings. We JitsRings is a is a is a company.

(01:02:14):
It's just from our friend, MikeDerson, that

Tyler (01:02:16):
it's,

Danny (01:02:18):
it's, you you have the, it's you can put the belt of the
your the your belt on your ringfinger. You could put it it's
just whatever ring you want.

Tyler (01:02:28):
It's a it's a reminder. Yeah. It's just a reminder of
the the journey that you're on.

Danny (01:02:31):
I have a white belt.

Tyler (01:02:32):
Yeah.

Danny (01:02:33):
I have a white ring. And my idea behind that was is to
remind myself every day to be awhite belt, to be inquisitive,
to ask questions, to tounderstand my role in life, to
to understand my role in everyaspect of myself. And and Trent
said, how come you who wearsyour brown belt? And I was like,

(01:02:54):
I have a brown one as well, butI really want people to know
that no matter what, like, I'min this journey for life. Yeah.
And I wanna be a white beltforever. I want to be I want to
always learn. I want to alwaysbe around people that will
always encourage me to do theright thing. Yeah. You know?
And during my turmoil at work, Iwas so close to I mean, like, I

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was so upset. Yeah. And when Ifinally had the conversation
with, a couple people, the firstthing I did with 2 of them was
apologize. Yeah. I I started itoff I started our entire
conversation off with an apologyfrom me for my actions.
Right. And I said, I'm sorry forhow I made you feel, for what
I've done in this situation. I'msorry. And I can assure you, it

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changed the entire tone becausethe dudes that were there for my
side and for other sides, theywere like, what? What?
And they were like, no. No. No.You don't have nothing to be
apologizing. I was like Yeah.
Yes. I do. I'm sorry. Ishouldn't have acted the way
that I acted. It's not who I amas a man.
Right. It's not it's not who mycharacter is. And a lot of that

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came from the fact that Ithought to myself, what would,
young Danny Yeah. Do? YoungDanny would fight.
Yep. And Danny would do stupidshit. Young Danny would be a
pain in the ass. Yeah. What itwhat would I encourage my
friends to do?

Tyler (01:04:18):
Yeah.

Danny (01:04:19):
And I would encourage you to be like, hey, man. Start it
off with a start it off withgrace. Start it off with
gratefulness. Start it off with,like, to let everybody's guards
down. How can you leteverybody's guards down?
And I was like, I apologize.

Tyler (01:04:32):
Yeah.

Danny (01:04:33):
And, dude, it changed the entire course of the meeting.
That's It could've went ugly.Oh. And I could've made it go
ugly. But that's why I wearthat's why I think jujitsu to me
and my journey is to and dothis, to talk about it, to love
about it, to to, like, engageabout it, to be excited about
it.
And I know you're excited aboutit, and Mhmm. You have your own,

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branding to say white belt forlife.

Tyler (01:04:58):
Yeah.

Danny (01:04:58):
I think it's on your thigh.

Tyler (01:05:00):
It is.

Danny (01:05:01):
Let's see it, Tyler.

Tyler (01:05:02):
Those are on the those are on the podcast. I got to
track the,

Danny (01:05:07):
No. I think it's awesome.

Tyler (01:05:08):
It is it is awesome.

Danny (01:05:08):
White belt for life. We just remind ourselves, like,
what would we encourage peopleto do if they it was their 1st
day of class or their 1st day ofor or or in their life, what
would we encourage them to todo? And and to me, that's what
jiu jitsu has taught me. That'swhat my my friends have taught
me is that your expectation ofme is to live my life the way

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that I expect you to live yourlife. And I think that, you
know, in closing, that's man,just just always be grateful,
always be gracious.
You know, if you're in anargument, if you're in a fight,
think about how you couldredirect the energy into
something totally that wouldcatch the person off guard
Right. And not expect it anddon't have any, like, I better

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do this and see some reaction.

Tyler (01:05:57):
So what you're saying is all the all the memes on the
Internet telling me the Librasare going into their villain
villain stage is not it's nottrue.

Danny (01:06:05):
Trust me. We are villains. And you don't have to
be the superhero of everybody'sstory.

Tyler (01:06:10):
Right.

Danny (01:06:11):
But you have to be the superhero of your story.

Tyler (01:06:13):
Oh, hell yeah. You know? Hell yeah. I and I think that
that but there there does come atime where you have to
understand where to pick yourbattles. There are some battles
where you don't need to backdown.
Yep. And there are some battleswhere, like, you know you're not
going to you're not going towin. And you may not want to
back down, but maybe say yourpiece and then walk away.

Danny (01:06:31):
And walk away.

Tyler (01:06:32):
Right? You can have a toxic interaction and just just
walk away. Sure. And leave it atthat and leave it at that. Leave
it at whatever whatever it is.
But for the for the most part,if you can seek to understand
rather than being understood,you will always win. Sure. And
that's what a white belt does. Awhite belt is seeking to
understand from somebody who mayknow no may know more than them.
Yep.

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And when they when you askquestions, when you get
inquisitive, people's guardcomes down because it means you
it means you they you you you'reshowing interest that you care.
I care. It's it's a beautifulthing. It's a secret it's a
secret power.

Danny (01:07:05):
It is a secret power. It is. It's a superpower.
Superpower. It really is.
Secret superpower? Secretsuperpower. Yeah. So, I mean, I
encourage everybody, like Isaid, find find that thing that
will make you uncomfortable. Doit.
And and finds find that paththat you can be proud of. Yeah.
And I'm genuinely proud of,like, giving me, like, that

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couple of weeks of, like, I knewI knew we needed to record. I
knew we needed to, like, getgoing, but I just man, I my my
schedule was just and my mindwas just so Yeah. Out of it.

Tyler (01:07:36):
Yeah. No. And and and it's good too. Like, at the same
time, we were chasing the lastbits of those last drops. We had
to squeeze the last dropssomehow.
Dude. Right? Like, we are goingto get back into the snow, and
we know how Danny deals with thesnow. The worst.

Danny (01:07:50):
Well, you know what we're about to hit is the best time in
Utah, the fall. Oh, damn.

Tyler (01:07:54):
We gotta get one one spot out in in get the fall colors
for these folks to see on theYouTube.

Danny (01:08:00):
Let's do

Tyler (01:08:01):
it. Alright.

Danny (01:08:01):
K. Well, thank

Tyler (01:08:02):
you very much, Danny. I appreciate you.

Danny (01:08:03):
Appreciate you. You can come see us at Park City
Jujitsu. Sundays, open mat. Comehang out with us. Just if you're
interested in jujitsu, reach outto us.
If you have questions, if we'vepissed you off because of what
we said about the CJI or theADCC, Let's, let's have a chat.
Let's Yeah. Let's let's divedeeper into it, and we always
appreciate it. I appreciate you,dude.

Tyler (01:08:23):
Yeah. Appreciate you too, man. Cheers, everybody. Thanks
for chiming in.

Danny (01:08:26):
See you.