April 15, 2025 • 19 mins
We catch up on TV shows and books worth watching and reading now that everyone's moved beyond White Lotus and Severance theories.
• 'The Recruit' offers espionage, thrills, and international city envy
• 'Love on the Spectrum' (season 3) provides heartwarming joy
• Black Woods, Blue Sky by Eowyn Ivey explores love and survival in Alaska
• The Lincoln Highway by Amor Towles takes readers on a 1950s roadtrip with recently released juvenile offenders
• Care and Feeding: A Memoir shares Laurie Woolever's experiences as assistant chef to Anthony Bourdain and Mario Batali
• The Pitt improves after a rough first episode, showing the chaotic world of emergency medicine
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hi Rachel.
So today we are going to do ourbook and show episode, which we
haven't done one in a while.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
No, we haven't.
So I mean everybody's beenanxiously like writing in and
saying hey, we haven't watchedany TV or read any books because
there's nobody else.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
No one else is doing it, and there's not like a
thousand tick tocks on notheories of white Lotus, that or
severance or severance.
So where are you guys?
Well, we decided so many peoplewere doing that we just took a
break.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, we were like you know what you guys, you do
you take it for a minute andthen, after it's actually
completed, we'll give you somethoughts.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Actually, okay, I have no thoughts except for to
say that it has been a lot goingon with White Lotus and
Severance and what else has beenout there.
Paradise also passed, which wasalso a great series, has been
out there.
Paradise also passed, which wasalso a great series.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
You know it's funny.
I dropped it after the thirdepisode.
Oh, I should go back, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
It gets good.
Well, it depends if you're into, you know, dystopia, which is
such a huge, you knowapocalyptic dystopia.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I mean I'm into it, we're living in it, I'm so in it
.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Might as well see all the different possible
iterations of it.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Exactly, exactly so anyway, it's flawed.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
of course, you know, everything has a flaw in it.
Of course, as well as like whatwe're going to talk about today
For me.
I don't know about you.
You may have zero flawed, youknow, but everything you know
you can find a positive and anegative.
Take on anything and everything.
Like people were like, oh, I'mbored with White Lotus, and
(01:46):
you'd be like, well, if you werelike in the fray of like every
theory.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Right, you know, what I found with actually both
since we're starting with those,let's start with them the
Severance and the Severance andWhite Lotus is that in these two
, these two seasons, I did wantto Google after recaps because,
even though I knew I got some ofthe things they were trying to
tell me, I knew I missed a ton.
So it's interesting, I feltlike before watching these
(02:14):
series, I didn't necessarilyneed all the recaps to explain
all the layers or potentiallayers.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
So that was slightly disappointing to me?
Yeah Well, I mean, I thinkthat's kind of an interesting
thing.
It's like should a show havethat many layers where it takes
so much homework in order toreally understand?
I mean, I think it's a genre.
It's a genre of shows.
So, closing the chapter forthis season of White Lotus and
(02:43):
Severance, we have to open it upto whatever else you're going
to watch and do now.
I only have one show and onebook to talk about today.
What about you?
I have one show and two books.
Okay, so you go ahead and gofirst.
Do you want to start with yourbooks?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I'll do the show since we're on TV.
Okay, bill found it and when hewas away and he was like, oh,
because we try not to cheat oneach other and watch the shows
that we watch together when theother is away.
So he's like, oh, I juststarted a show, you might want
to start it.
It's kind of fun, it's kind ofridiculous.
It's the recruit Netflix, butit's by the guy who was a
(03:20):
director or creator of the JasonBourne movies.
Was a director or a creator ofthe Jason Bourne movies, so it
has that fun.
There's a sense of humor,there's a frenetic pace and
traveling all around the worldevery three seconds.
We're like at least they havethem yawning in a lot of scenes
where they're jet lagged, butthey don't actually show you how
freaking long it actually takesto fly to Europe or Russia or
(03:44):
Korea from the States, and thenall of a sudden they or Korea
from the States and then all ofa sudden they're back in the
States.
Like it's silly and fun and afun premise.
It's not like deep and all ofthat.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, yeah, which is always good, but what's it about
?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
It's kind of nice the end.
So it's about a guy who is alaw student who just graduates.
He's a lawyer and he gets hiredby the CIA, but as a lawyer not
a spy OK he gets.
He's like one of thosecharacters who's like a kind of
arrogant, has baggage but getscaught up in spy shit
(04:20):
immediately.
But he's a lawyer, so he'sconstantly trying to be like no,
I don't know, don't tell melike I'm a lawyer I feel like
I've seen this.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I think I saw the first couple episodes.
Who's the star in it?
Is it he's?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
noah santino.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
He's like a young heartthrob that was in um all
the boys is he in the middleeast in the first episode, in a
jail, or?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
no, he goes to Yemen, but no, he's not in a oh well
kind of I might have seen it, helike breaks out.
Clueless.
He's clueless Like he's alawyer, and I think what is
funny for me is that he's beingpunked the minute he gets into
the office, like no one istelling him the truth His
co-workers are all sabotaginghim.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I saw the first episode.
It is good.
I don't know, I've kind of losttrack of it somehow.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yes, but like, and they're like oh yeah, you should
look into this.
You go to Yemen.
He's like go to Yemen.
And they're like yeah, you justfly, coach, and you rent a car,
and so he does that.
And they're like what idiotwould do that?
But it made me think of thetime I worked at a summer
internship for the DARPA, theDefense Advanced Research
Project Agency, and they playedjokes on me.
(05:29):
I was a student intern.
They played jokes on me beforeI even got there.
I had no clue and I was the mostearnest ridiculousness, like
the fact that they sent me anemail and were like, don't
forget, monday is Red Suit Dayat DARPA.
And I was freaking out that Ididn't have a red suit.
And I were like, don't forget,monday is Red Suit Day at DARPA.
And I was freaking out that Ididn't have a red suit.
And I was like Mom, what do Ido?
She's like I don't feel likethat's true, but just apologize,
(05:53):
you don't have a red suit.
I come in and they're likehysterically laughing before I
even start, I wonder if it'spart of their you know culture.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, it's a hazing culture.
Yeah, yeah, that's interesting.
Well, so, yes, I do rememberthat and I do remember it being
really good, and I don't knowwhy I lost track of it.
That's so weird.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
But yeah, sometimes that happens.
So it's worth like picking upif you just want something light
and fun and it's it's silly.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Okay, good recommendation Very good.
Okay, so I'll do my one show,and my one show is Love on the
Spectrum.
Oh my gosh, have you watched it?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
No, but Deb Frommer and Brooke Wurst, who I'm in the
band with and I've been friendswith forever, are both obsessed
with that show and they send meclips constantly and I love the
clips.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Well, I want to start off.
I have to start it, okay.
So I want to start off this.
It's the third season and I dothink the third season is the
best season.
I've watched all three and italso has a love on the spectrum,
I think.
Australia, when it first cameout, you know I did, I was
tracking like the criticism ofit because of autism and that
you know what people think.
But it's really interestingbecause it gets mainly good
(07:05):
feedback from autism community.
And I wanted to just start offwith the.
You know what has been saidabout it in general.
So, in general, the, you know,the positive feedback has come
from the art of art of autismside.
They talk about it being, youknow, a great representation and
it is a really positive, youknow, look on, you know.
(07:28):
And then also the AutismOntario writes about it in a
positive way and there's someconstructive criticism, with
some ways in which some peoplefeel like it might be a limiting
view or something like that,but in general it's praise and I
remember the first season goingon and seeing people who have
autism talking about it andtalking about how they may have
(07:49):
some criticism, but they can'tstop watching.
Anyway, so, talking about thisseason, it is with a world that
so much is going wrong.
Or I mean, even if you thinkit's going right, you have like
a little bit of a knot in yourstomach.
We're in a right.
This gives you so much joy towatch because it's just, it's
(08:10):
like it's, it's like a Disneylove.
And they a lot of peoplecomment on this because a lot of
these kids are actually,they're're all adults now.
Are you know?
That is, they are very close toDisney, they love it, it's a
very common thing I do followAbby, because I do love Abby.
Abby's really cute.
But the big love story that isjust mesmerizing is Connor and
(08:35):
Georgie.
It is just the most beautifulstory and as well, like as you
go onto TikTok, people are like,oh my God, these two.
It just transcends what youcould even imagine a rom-com
doing, anyway.
But Georgie is so beautiful andin just like a Renaissance
painting way, right, and youjust imagine everybody's broken
(08:59):
up watching these shows and Iwas like I posted in this one
thing like just imagine us,we're all falling apart.
Imagine the mom, the family,because the family of Connor,
the Tamalin family, they're soawesome, all of the families are
so awesome it seems like mm-hmm, everything is awesome.
Basically Everything is awesomeabout it.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
You just are like it gives you.
I've got to do it.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I got it and there's this guy named Tanner, who he
was on the Kelly Clarkson showand Jack Black was going to
surprise him, and you're justlike wow his reaction.
It was so sweet and so like youjust want the whole world to be
, have this kind of approach tolife.
It just gives you hope that youknow that there is, you know,
(09:44):
really goodness out there andit's so heartwarming.
Anyway, it's something that Ihighly recommend you watch.
As I saw many people commenting, are your cheeks hurting from
smiling so much through?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
the show.
Ok, I need this show then.
Yeah, yeah, ok.
So I have two books.
The first one is calledBlackwoods Blue Sky by I'm going
to not pronounce her name,right?
Speaker 1 (10:09):
You can do it.
How do?
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I say this Eowyn Ivey , that sounded pretty good.
Yeah, okay, she's from Alaskaand I was obsessed with her
other book called the Snow Child, which I may have talked about
in one of our first episodes.
I don't think so, I'm not sure.
So she lives in Alaska andshe's such a good writer.
(10:31):
Like the Snow Child also wassomewhat of a fable, like a
slight surreal moment whereyou're not sure is this true, is
it not?
Is it real, is it not?
And it's interesting becauseit's the way she also plays upon
and describes living in such aharsh terrain and choosing to
live in Alaska seems like thebiggest life choice someone
(10:54):
could make, like how to survivethe climate, the wild animals,
everything.
So the first one was about amarried couple and the snow
child.
This one is it's also like afable and I don't want to give
too much away, but it took me alittle longer to get into it
than it did for me to get intothe snow child, but the payoff
(11:16):
is so good.
I mean, it really is about loveand people and how we're all so
different and even you know,obviously people who live in the
same harsh area are all verydifferent and all there for
different reasons.
And then, just where can youfind love?
And can love transcend thesesituations?
Or can love, even in a regularrelationship, transcend people's
(11:39):
personalities or history?
I don't want to give away toomuch, but it's just.
It's beautiful.
She's an incredible writer.
I'm a huge fan.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
OK, I will check it out what else do you have?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
The other one that I'm going to recommend came out
in 2021 by Amor Toles or Toles.
He wrote the Gentleman inMoscow.
I think it's like a rollickingride.
It takes place in America in1954.
And it's these young men whowere in like a juvenile
(12:16):
detention facility out in theMidwest for different crimes and
not necessarily like anythingtotally heinous, but like all
varied.
They meet in this prison.
They're from all over thecountry and then they're out and
it's sort of a road trip.
And one of the men who was in,the prison's younger brother, is
(12:41):
obsessed with the LincolnHighway and that the Lincoln
Highway goes from Times Squareall the way out to San Francisco
and it has like statues ofLincoln along the way.
But it's this fascinating.
But it's this fascinating.
It's like a fun, heartwarmingadventure story about a road
(13:02):
trip, america, finding yourselfwho are your friends.
Cool, what's the point of lifeand where do you go and how do
you start off as an adult?
Mm-hmm, I like it.
That's what I'll say.
It was great, really wellwritten.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
That sounds good.
That sounds good.
Those are great recommendations.
Lovings, okay.
Okay, so I just have one and Itold you about this recently the
Laura, the Lori Woolever Okay,so it's the Lori Woolever, I
think, is that how you say hername?
Latest book came out this Marchand it is Care and Feeding a
(13:40):
memoir, and it's a book abouther experiences of becoming an
assistant chef to AnthonyBourdain and Mario Batali and
also her journey of addictionand drinking too much and
partying, and it's full of thesestories of the back scene of
(14:04):
the cooking world, therestaurant industry, the
restaurant industry, which isrough, which is rough and it's
pretty hard on, you know, batali, but he basically, you know,
has been outed in the whole.
Me Too movement and everything,and she kind of gets a little
bit into that.
But she does also talk aboutAnthony Bourdain and his you
(14:27):
know, his suicide and all ofthat and how, where she was
during those years andeverything the book has.
Of course it has positive andnegative reviews and I think
that the criticism that somepeople might be giving is that
she talks a lot about her wildside, the indiscretions and the
things that she did, and I thinkthat I think for me, normally I
(14:50):
, you know, I would agree withthat, but for some reason it was
very like, interesting and Ithink it told the story that it
needed to tell.
It's also got lots of ravereviews, you know as well.
So it's kind of.
I think it's like you can kindof find something that you might
not like if you don't want tohear the darker side of
(15:10):
something like that, but I feellike it's necessary to tell the
story.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
You know Well, it really will paint a full picture
of what she went through.
I mean as it's.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I found it interesting and a quick read,
but you know what's sofascinating.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I feel like I forgot to say another show.
Can I say it now?
The Pit.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, I watched the.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Pit.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
It took me a long time to get going in the Pit.
I did not like the firstepisode at all.
I didn't either.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I didn't and I was like why is everyone saying they
love it?
I'm so disappointed.
But I hung in there and I'mglad I did.
One thing that I loved was thisone line that said like how
people with ADHD are drawn toworking in the emergency room
because you're always have to befocused and you're going from
one emergency to the other andit's always different.
You're never bored.
But then you go home and it'slike you got to unwind and like
(16:04):
then you're just totally can bespaced out.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I think a lot of people also in the restaurant
industry, chefs and people whowork, you know, in a similar
environment and I was remindingme sometimes of the bear.
Yeah, yeah, definitely, I cantotally see that and it's a
certain personality to want tolive in that chaotic, intense
place.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Yeah, yeah, it's like one day, you know, it's one day
in the ER and it's just so muchis happening and I'm like all
right, come on.
I mean, like I said, you havebeen given every possible thing
there has ever been and themankind issue has happened in
this one day, like I cannot.
I mean that's what I mean, likestuff like that.
Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
But Like I cannot, I mean that's what I mean Like
stuff like that, I get it.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I get it, but I mean it's still TV at the end of the
day.
Exactly, it's just been, youknow, attention for my loved one
, and you see like okay, they'reprioritizing gunshot wounds and
you're like that's valid, butalso my loved one's valid, like
(17:16):
help.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yeah, yeah, that's for sure.
Well, we'll end on one othershow, though it's not, it's just
a side note on this theme ofjust frantic kind of filmmaking
and pacing and book writing andjust it's moving from one thing
to another, not giving you achance to breathe.
Is the studio which is out nowjust came out on Apple TV.
(17:39):
It is with Seth Rogen being thestudio head.
He becomes the studio head andof course, it has you know, ron
Howard, does you know a cameoLike?
It has a lot of stars in it?
It has you know, ron howard,does you know a cameo like?
It has a lot of stars in it.
It's good, it's interesting,it's entertaining, but it has
this frenetic pace in thebackground also.
They do a lot of one cameraswings like they'll be like
(17:59):
we're having a and it's likereally a lot like you know,
which I think needs to bepersonally there.
There's an episode called theNote, where they're trying to
give Ron Howard a note onsomething they don't like in the
film, but they're terrified totell them.
And it's just ironic because Ifeel like my note to the show is
chill out on that camera stuffand also chill out on the
(18:24):
frenetic soundtracking in thebackground.
There's this type ofsoundtracking that's been coming
out lately where they'rebeating a drum in the background
.
A little of that, really a tinybit of that, please Not a lot
so anyway, I think I wanted tokeep my reviews balanced.
(18:47):
Good, but there's a note.
You have a note?
It's good, Not that peopledon't have notes for me.
I'm sure I have a note for you.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I'm sure we would have a lot of notes.
Oh yeah, that's all right.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
We have gotten a note or two.
Yeah, anyway, but I thinkthat's it.
I think that's it.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I think that's it.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
So now everybody shift their attention away from
White Lotus and Severance.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
And move forward in the massive catalog that exists
on TV, as well as all thesegreat new books that are coming
out too.
Have a good week, Bye, Bye.
This podcast was produced byRachel Martens and Jeanette
Afsharian.
You can find us on Spotify,iTunes and Buzzsprout.
(19:31):
Thanks for listening.
See you next week.
Hi Rachel.
So today we are going to do ourbook and show episode, which we
haven't done one in a while.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
No, we haven't.
So I mean everybody's beenanxiously like writing in and
saying hey, we haven't watchedany TV or read any books because
there's nobody else.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
No one else is doing it, and there's not like a
thousand tick tocks on notheories of white Lotus, that or
severance or severance.
So where are you guys?
Well, we decided so many peoplewere doing that we just took a
break.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, we were like you know what you guys, you do
you take it for a minute andthen, after it's actually
completed, we'll give you somethoughts.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Actually, okay, I have no thoughts except for to
say that it has been a lot goingon with White Lotus and
Severance and what else has beenout there.
Paradise also passed, which wasalso a great series, has been
out there.
Paradise also passed, which wasalso a great series.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
You know it's funny.
I dropped it after the thirdepisode.
Oh, I should go back, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
It gets good.
Well, it depends if you're into, you know, dystopia, which is
such a huge, you knowapocalyptic dystopia.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I mean I'm into it, we're living in it, I'm so in it
.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Might as well see all the different possible
iterations of it.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Exactly, exactly so anyway, it's flawed.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
of course, you know, everything has a flaw in it.
Of course, as well as like whatwe're going to talk about today
For me.
I don't know about you.
You may have zero flawed, youknow, but everything you know
you can find a positive and anegative.
Take on anything and everything.
Like people were like, oh, I'mbored with White Lotus, and
(01:46):
you'd be like, well, if you werelike in the fray of like every
theory.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Right, you know, what I found with actually both
since we're starting with those,let's start with them the
Severance and the Severance andWhite Lotus is that in these two
, these two seasons, I did wantto Google after recaps because,
even though I knew I got some ofthe things they were trying to
tell me, I knew I missed a ton.
So it's interesting, I feltlike before watching these
(02:14):
series, I didn't necessarilyneed all the recaps to explain
all the layers or potentiallayers.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
So that was slightly disappointing to me?
Yeah Well, I mean, I thinkthat's kind of an interesting
thing.
It's like should a show havethat many layers where it takes
so much homework in order toreally understand?
I mean, I think it's a genre.
It's a genre of shows.
So, closing the chapter forthis season of White Lotus and
(02:43):
Severance, we have to open it upto whatever else you're going
to watch and do now.
I only have one show and onebook to talk about today.
What about you?
I have one show and two books.
Okay, so you go ahead and gofirst.
Do you want to start with yourbooks?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I'll do the show since we're on TV.
Okay, bill found it and when hewas away and he was like, oh,
because we try not to cheat oneach other and watch the shows
that we watch together when theother is away.
So he's like, oh, I juststarted a show, you might want
to start it.
It's kind of fun, it's kind ofridiculous.
It's the recruit Netflix, butit's by the guy who was a
(03:20):
director or creator of the JasonBourne movies.
Was a director or a creator ofthe Jason Bourne movies, so it
has that fun.
There's a sense of humor,there's a frenetic pace and
traveling all around the worldevery three seconds.
We're like at least they havethem yawning in a lot of scenes
where they're jet lagged, butthey don't actually show you how
freaking long it actually takesto fly to Europe or Russia or
(03:44):
Korea from the States, and thenall of a sudden they or Korea
from the States and then all ofa sudden they're back in the
States.
Like it's silly and fun and afun premise.
It's not like deep and all ofthat.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, yeah, which is always good, but what's it about
?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
It's kind of nice the end.
So it's about a guy who is alaw student who just graduates.
He's a lawyer and he gets hiredby the CIA, but as a lawyer not
a spy OK he gets.
He's like one of thosecharacters who's like a kind of
arrogant, has baggage but getscaught up in spy shit
(04:20):
immediately.
But he's a lawyer, so he'sconstantly trying to be like no,
I don't know, don't tell melike I'm a lawyer I feel like
I've seen this.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I think I saw the first couple episodes.
Who's the star in it?
Is it he's?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
noah santino.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
He's like a young heartthrob that was in um all
the boys is he in the middleeast in the first episode, in a
jail, or?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
no, he goes to Yemen, but no, he's not in a oh well
kind of I might have seen it, helike breaks out.
Clueless.
He's clueless Like he's alawyer, and I think what is
funny for me is that he's beingpunked the minute he gets into
the office, like no one istelling him the truth His
co-workers are all sabotaginghim.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I saw the first episode.
It is good.
I don't know, I've kind of losttrack of it somehow.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yes, but like, and they're like oh yeah, you should
look into this.
You go to Yemen.
He's like go to Yemen.
And they're like yeah, you justfly, coach, and you rent a car,
and so he does that.
And they're like what idiotwould do that?
But it made me think of thetime I worked at a summer
internship for the DARPA, theDefense Advanced Research
Project Agency, and they playedjokes on me.
(05:29):
I was a student intern.
They played jokes on me beforeI even got there.
I had no clue and I was the mostearnest ridiculousness, like
the fact that they sent me anemail and were like, don't
forget, monday is Red Suit Dayat DARPA.
And I was freaking out that Ididn't have a red suit.
And I were like, don't forget,monday is Red Suit Day at DARPA.
And I was freaking out that Ididn't have a red suit.
And I was like Mom, what do Ido?
She's like I don't feel likethat's true, but just apologize,
(05:53):
you don't have a red suit.
I come in and they're likehysterically laughing before I
even start, I wonder if it'spart of their you know culture.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, it's a hazing culture.
Yeah, yeah, that's interesting.
Well, so, yes, I do rememberthat and I do remember it being
really good, and I don't knowwhy I lost track of it.
That's so weird.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
But yeah, sometimes that happens.
So it's worth like picking upif you just want something light
and fun and it's it's silly.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Okay, good recommendation Very good.
Okay, so I'll do my one show,and my one show is Love on the
Spectrum.
Oh my gosh, have you watched it?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
No, but Deb Frommer and Brooke Wurst, who I'm in the
band with and I've been friendswith forever, are both obsessed
with that show and they send meclips constantly and I love the
clips.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Well, I want to start off.
I have to start it, okay.
So I want to start off this.
It's the third season and I dothink the third season is the
best season.
I've watched all three and italso has a love on the spectrum,
I think.
Australia, when it first cameout, you know I did, I was
tracking like the criticism ofit because of autism and that
you know what people think.
But it's really interestingbecause it gets mainly good
(07:05):
feedback from autism community.
And I wanted to just start offwith the.
You know what has been saidabout it in general.
So, in general, the, you know,the positive feedback has come
from the art of art of autismside.
They talk about it being, youknow, a great representation and
it is a really positive, youknow, look on, you know.
(07:28):
And then also the AutismOntario writes about it in a
positive way and there's someconstructive criticism, with
some ways in which some peoplefeel like it might be a limiting
view or something like that,but in general it's praise and I
remember the first season goingon and seeing people who have
autism talking about it andtalking about how they may have
(07:49):
some criticism, but they can'tstop watching.
Anyway, so, talking about thisseason, it is with a world that
so much is going wrong.
Or I mean, even if you thinkit's going right, you have like
a little bit of a knot in yourstomach.
We're in a right.
This gives you so much joy towatch because it's just, it's
(08:10):
like it's, it's like a Disneylove.
And they a lot of peoplecomment on this because a lot of
these kids are actually,they're're all adults now.
Are you know?
That is, they are very close toDisney, they love it, it's a
very common thing I do followAbby, because I do love Abby.
Abby's really cute.
But the big love story that isjust mesmerizing is Connor and
(08:35):
Georgie.
It is just the most beautifulstory and as well, like as you
go onto TikTok, people are like,oh my God, these two.
It just transcends what youcould even imagine a rom-com
doing, anyway.
But Georgie is so beautiful andin just like a Renaissance
painting way, right, and youjust imagine everybody's broken
(08:59):
up watching these shows and Iwas like I posted in this one
thing like just imagine us,we're all falling apart.
Imagine the mom, the family,because the family of Connor,
the Tamalin family, they're soawesome, all of the families are
so awesome it seems like mm-hmm, everything is awesome.
Basically Everything is awesomeabout it.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
You just are like it gives you.
I've got to do it.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I got it and there's this guy named Tanner, who he
was on the Kelly Clarkson showand Jack Black was going to
surprise him, and you're justlike wow his reaction.
It was so sweet and so like youjust want the whole world to be
, have this kind of approach tolife.
It just gives you hope that youknow that there is, you know,
(09:44):
really goodness out there andit's so heartwarming.
Anyway, it's something that Ihighly recommend you watch.
As I saw many people commenting, are your cheeks hurting from
smiling so much through?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
the show.
Ok, I need this show then.
Yeah, yeah, ok.
So I have two books.
The first one is calledBlackwoods Blue Sky by I'm going
to not pronounce her name,right?
Speaker 1 (10:09):
You can do it.
How do?
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I say this Eowyn Ivey , that sounded pretty good.
Yeah, okay, she's from Alaskaand I was obsessed with her
other book called the Snow Child, which I may have talked about
in one of our first episodes.
I don't think so, I'm not sure.
So she lives in Alaska andshe's such a good writer.
(10:31):
Like the Snow Child also wassomewhat of a fable, like a
slight surreal moment whereyou're not sure is this true, is
it not?
Is it real, is it not?
And it's interesting becauseit's the way she also plays upon
and describes living in such aharsh terrain and choosing to
live in Alaska seems like thebiggest life choice someone
(10:54):
could make, like how to survivethe climate, the wild animals,
everything.
So the first one was about amarried couple and the snow
child.
This one is it's also like afable and I don't want to give
too much away, but it took me alittle longer to get into it
than it did for me to get intothe snow child, but the payoff
(11:16):
is so good.
I mean, it really is about loveand people and how we're all so
different and even you know,obviously people who live in the
same harsh area are all verydifferent and all there for
different reasons.
And then, just where can youfind love?
And can love transcend thesesituations?
Or can love, even in a regularrelationship, transcend people's
(11:39):
personalities or history?
I don't want to give away toomuch, but it's just.
It's beautiful.
She's an incredible writer.
I'm a huge fan.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
OK, I will check it out what else do you have?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
The other one that I'm going to recommend came out
in 2021 by Amor Toles or Toles.
He wrote the Gentleman inMoscow.
I think it's like a rollickingride.
It takes place in America in1954.
And it's these young men whowere in like a juvenile
(12:16):
detention facility out in theMidwest for different crimes and
not necessarily like anythingtotally heinous, but like all
varied.
They meet in this prison.
They're from all over thecountry and then they're out and
it's sort of a road trip.
And one of the men who was in,the prison's younger brother, is
(12:41):
obsessed with the LincolnHighway and that the Lincoln
Highway goes from Times Squareall the way out to San Francisco
and it has like statues ofLincoln along the way.
But it's this fascinating.
But it's this fascinating.
It's like a fun, heartwarmingadventure story about a road
(13:02):
trip, america, finding yourselfwho are your friends.
Cool, what's the point of lifeand where do you go and how do
you start off as an adult?
Mm-hmm, I like it.
That's what I'll say.
It was great, really wellwritten.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
That sounds good.
That sounds good.
Those are great recommendations.
Lovings, okay.
Okay, so I just have one and Itold you about this recently the
Laura, the Lori Woolever Okay,so it's the Lori Woolever, I
think, is that how you say hername?
Latest book came out this Marchand it is Care and Feeding a
(13:40):
memoir, and it's a book abouther experiences of becoming an
assistant chef to AnthonyBourdain and Mario Batali and
also her journey of addictionand drinking too much and
partying, and it's full of thesestories of the back scene of
(14:04):
the cooking world, therestaurant industry, the
restaurant industry, which isrough, which is rough and it's
pretty hard on, you know, batali, but he basically, you know,
has been outed in the whole.
Me Too movement and everything,and she kind of gets a little
bit into that.
But she does also talk aboutAnthony Bourdain and his you
(14:27):
know, his suicide and all ofthat and how, where she was
during those years andeverything the book has.
Of course it has positive andnegative reviews and I think
that the criticism that somepeople might be giving is that
she talks a lot about her wildside, the indiscretions and the
things that she did, and I thinkthat I think for me, normally I
(14:50):
, you know, I would agree withthat, but for some reason it was
very like, interesting and Ithink it told the story that it
needed to tell.
It's also got lots of ravereviews, you know as well.
So it's kind of.
I think it's like you can kindof find something that you might
not like if you don't want tohear the darker side of
(15:10):
something like that, but I feellike it's necessary to tell the
story.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
You know Well, it really will paint a full picture
of what she went through.
I mean as it's.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I found it interesting and a quick read,
but you know what's sofascinating.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I feel like I forgot to say another show.
Can I say it now?
The Pit.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, I watched the.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Pit.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
It took me a long time to get going in the Pit.
I did not like the firstepisode at all.
I didn't either.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I didn't and I was like why is everyone saying they
love it?
I'm so disappointed.
But I hung in there and I'mglad I did.
One thing that I loved was thisone line that said like how
people with ADHD are drawn toworking in the emergency room
because you're always have to befocused and you're going from
one emergency to the other andit's always different.
You're never bored.
But then you go home and it'slike you got to unwind and like
(16:04):
then you're just totally can bespaced out.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I think a lot of people also in the restaurant
industry, chefs and people whowork, you know, in a similar
environment and I was remindingme sometimes of the bear.
Yeah, yeah, definitely, I cantotally see that and it's a
certain personality to want tolive in that chaotic, intense
place.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Yeah, yeah, it's like one day, you know, it's one day
in the ER and it's just so muchis happening and I'm like all
right, come on.
I mean, like I said, you havebeen given every possible thing
there has ever been and themankind issue has happened in
this one day, like I cannot.
I mean that's what I mean, likestuff like that.
Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
But Like I cannot, I mean that's what I mean Like
stuff like that, I get it.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I get it, but I mean it's still TV at the end of the
day.
Exactly, it's just been, youknow, attention for my loved one
, and you see like okay, they'reprioritizing gunshot wounds and
you're like that's valid, butalso my loved one's valid, like
(17:16):
help.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yeah, yeah, that's for sure.
Well, we'll end on one othershow, though it's not, it's just
a side note on this theme ofjust frantic kind of filmmaking
and pacing and book writing andjust it's moving from one thing
to another, not giving you achance to breathe.
Is the studio which is out nowjust came out on Apple TV.
(17:39):
It is with Seth Rogen being thestudio head.
He becomes the studio head andof course, it has you know, ron
Howard, does you know a cameoLike?
It has a lot of stars in it?
It has you know, ron howard,does you know a cameo like?
It has a lot of stars in it.
It's good, it's interesting,it's entertaining, but it has
this frenetic pace in thebackground also.
They do a lot of one cameraswings like they'll be like
(17:59):
we're having a and it's likereally a lot like you know,
which I think needs to bepersonally there.
There's an episode called theNote, where they're trying to
give Ron Howard a note onsomething they don't like in the
film, but they're terrified totell them.
And it's just ironic because Ifeel like my note to the show is
chill out on that camera stuffand also chill out on the
(18:24):
frenetic soundtracking in thebackground.
There's this type ofsoundtracking that's been coming
out lately where they'rebeating a drum in the background
.
A little of that, really a tinybit of that, please Not a lot
so anyway, I think I wanted tokeep my reviews balanced.
(18:47):
Good, but there's a note.
You have a note?
It's good, Not that peopledon't have notes for me.
I'm sure I have a note for you.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I'm sure we would have a lot of notes.
Oh yeah, that's all right.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
We have gotten a note or two.
Yeah, anyway, but I thinkthat's it.
I think that's it.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I think that's it.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
So now everybody shift their attention away from
White Lotus and Severance.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
And move forward in the massive catalog that exists
on TV, as well as all thesegreat new books that are coming
out too.
Have a good week, Bye, Bye.
This podcast was produced byRachel Martens and Jeanette
Afsharian.
You can find us on Spotify,iTunes and Buzzsprout.
(19:31):
Thanks for listening.
See you next week.
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