Ep. #176: Partagás Línea Maestra Rito (w/ Bacardí Reserva Ocho, Habanos S.A. Announces New Cigars, Selling Cigars to Friends, Bam in the Hot Seat Again & Preparing Just-Arrived Cigars for Smoking)

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Gizmo (02:47):
Welcome to the Lounge Lizards podcast presented by
Fabrica five. It's so good tohave you here. It's a leisure
and lifestyle podcast founded onour love of premium cigars as
well as whiskey travel, food,work, and whatever else we feel
like getting into. My name isGizmo. Tonight, I'm joined by
rooster, senator, chef Ricky,and Bam Bam.
And our plan is to smoke acigar, drink some rum, talk
about life, and, of course, havesome laughs. So take this as

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your one hundred and seventysixth official invitation to
join us and become a cardcarrying lounge lizard. We plan
to meet this here once a week.We're gonna smoke a Cuban cigar
tonight, share our thoughts onit, and give you our formal
lizard rating. We discuss 11 newCuban cigar releases.
We share the amazing history ofBacardi in Cuba, and a lizard
debate begins on how to priceselling cigars to friends, all

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among a variety of other thingsfor the next two and a half
hours. So sit back, get yourfavorite drink, light up a
cigar, enjoy as we pair BacardiReserva Ocho with Partagas Linea
Maestra in Rito. A doubleRobusto on the pod tonight from
Cuba. It's the newest line fromParagas. It's the Linea Maestra
in Rideau, and it's a 52 ringgauge cigar by a little under

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seven inches, six and fiveeighths inches long.
And, boys, very exciting to seea new production regular release
out of Cuba with a one zero ninehead on it. Correct. So the one
zero nine head, obviously, issought after because it's been
used on some great releases inthe past. And it has a very

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specific and importantrelationship with Partagas in
that the Lusitanias, which isone of the most celebrated
Partagas cigars ever out ofCuba, originally came with the
one zero nine heads.

Bam Bam (04:27):
There we go.

Gizmo (04:28):
It's nice to see Partagas going back to this on the new
Linea Maestra.

Bam Bam (04:33):
It's a good looking cigar. Little toothy. Yeah. Not
the most pristine wrapper, butnice. You know, the only one
zero nine I've ever smoked wasthe Ramone one zero nine Head.
Ah. Yes. We've had that long

Gizmo (04:44):
long ago. Long time ago. That's good. Alright, boys.
Let's cut this thing.
See if we're getting on the colddraw and the wrapper. So this is
a new looking release forPartigus, and we'll talk about
that. Totally unique.

Chef (05:03):
Sunflower seeds.

Senator (05:05):
Chef nailed it. It's exactly the first note I got.

Bam Bam (05:09):
Yeah. There is a touch of sweetness there, a kind of
like a sweet cream type thingmaybe. The background.

Gizmo (05:16):
It's a salty grass. Yeah? No grass. And the sunflower seed
thing is very accurate.

Senator (05:24):
It's so prominent.

Bam Bam (05:25):
Yeah, it's nutty and a bit Even

Chef (05:29):
almost sunchokey, if you're familiar with sunchokes
or Jerusalem artichokes, there'sa there's a nutty inherent We
are getting into

Gizmo (05:37):
the weeds.

Senator (05:37):
Was I was with you, chef. I'll see myself out.
Sunchoke.

Gizmo (05:44):
Senator just muted himself.

Bam Bam (05:45):
Correct.

Chef (05:48):
That's really good.

Gizmo (05:48):
How's everyone's draw? Mine's great.

Senator (05:50):
Mine's good.

Rooster (05:51):
Nice to cut

Chef (05:52):
it a

Gizmo (05:52):
little bit more.

Senator (05:53):
Yeah. Yeah. Takes yeah. Actually, you got way too
little.

Bam Bam (05:55):
So I I made a very shallow cut, and the secondary
cut helped a lot.

Gizmo (06:00):
The cold draw is fantastic right now. It's nice.
I'm almost like not wanting tolight it because I'm enjoying
the cold draw so much. Deadserious.

Chef (06:06):
Same. Same. I'm right there with you.

Gizmo (06:07):
I hope the cigar itself can deliver like the cold draw
does. Alright, boys. Let's lightthis thing. The Partagas Linea
Maestra from Cuba. This is theRito.
Again, it's a 52 ring gaugecigar by six and five eights
inches long. It was announced atthe twenty twenty three Habanos

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Festival that I was at actuallyand was released in early twenty
twenty four, almost a yearlater. And it comes in three
sizes, which we'll go through.

Bam Bam (06:41):
And this is a La Corona product. Yeah?

Gizmo (06:43):
Yeah. This came out of La Corona BRM September 24. Nice.
And unfortunately, boys, evenbefore we taste it, we'll start
with this. The cost on thisspecific cigar right now

Bam Bam (06:54):
Oh, yeah.

Gizmo (06:55):
Is north of a hundred dollars per

Bam Bam (06:57):
cigar Yowza.

Gizmo (06:58):
Which is obscene.

Senator (07:01):
It's a budget cigar these days, Giz.

Gizmo (07:07):
I must say it does feel good in the hand.

Senator (07:09):
Feels great in the hand, and it's actually very
pleasant on the light.

Bam Bam (07:11):
Wow. Right on the light. It's actually quite
delicious.

Senator (07:14):
And I'm still getting the sunflower seed notes on the
light. That's exciting.

Gizmo (07:21):
I'm now getting a creaminess that you guys were
talking about.

Bam Bam (07:24):
I mentioned that earlier.

Gizmo (07:25):
I wasn't getting that on the cold drop, but I am getting
it here.

Bam Bam (07:28):
Am I wrong? There's a little bit of sweet cream there.

Chef (07:29):
I agree.

Senator (07:30):
Yeah. That's definitely there too. This is very good.

Rooster (07:37):
Is this a part of this or a Cohiba?

Gizmo (07:40):
That's gonna be the question of the night, I think,
is whether the cigar performswell or not. The overwhelming
commentary of folks who enjoy iton the you know, as far as
reviewing it and folks whodon't, the common theme is
questioning whether this is inline with what we know Partagas
to be.

Bam Bam (08:00):
Oh, I would say that it's not.

Rooster (08:01):
Yeah. I mean, so far it's unlike a Partagas. Yeah.
Partagas never lights like this.No, there's not.
You don't get these notes on aPartagas typically. You don't
get the you don't get the creamynote.

Senator (08:15):
No. Right? I'll just say this. It's not. I'm with
you.
But I think the only exceptionis, like, the Lucy is very
different in flavor profile froma lot of other Partagas cigars.
And there's some Partagas shortas well as deviates

Bam Bam (08:29):
a little bit for me.

Senator (08:30):
That too. A touch. But to me, if I immediately tried to
compare this to something in thePartagas line, it would be like
a Lucy on the light. On thelight, it's milder than what you
get in most Partagas cigars.It's a good point.
So I think there's a lot ofrange in the Partagas line.

Gizmo (08:45):
Yeah.

Bam Bam (08:47):
Yeah. It does seem unlike a Partagas, though.
Right?

Rooster (08:50):
Yeah. But it's very tasty.

Bam Bam (08:52):
Yeah. This is really good. It's good.

Gizmo (08:54):
I'm very pleasantly surprised on the light here.

Bam Bam (08:56):
Yeah. Now has anyone had this in the room?

Gizmo (09:00):
I had one at the festival so long ago, and it was
obviously rolled probably twentyminutes before the festival
doors opened. Okay. And it wassuper humid and smoked honestly
pretty terribly.

Bam Bam (09:14):
I had one after a Cuban trip. I liked it. The first two
thirds were delicious.

Gizmo (09:19):
Last third got a little rough?

Bam Bam (09:21):
Very hard to smoke the last third. Well, hopefully I'm
hoping for a differentexperience here.

Gizmo (09:25):
I am too. So these have been in my tower since we got
them. So hopefully the lastthird will perform as

Bam Bam (09:32):
Senator has these too.

Senator (09:33):
Yeah. Yeah.

Rooster (09:36):
It's all woody also. You get that earthiness and all
woody note.

Gizmo (09:42):
Smoke output is actually nice too.

Bam Bam (09:44):
I'm not getting any earthy or minerality at all.
Really? It's very pleasant forme on the other side of the
spectrum.

Chef (09:53):
I get residual salt on the lips here. I do get some
minerality, a little earth. I'mgetting wood. It's all still
kind of in line or in the samespectrum as the sunflower seed I
was originally getting. I'mstill not getting the creamy
sweetness that everyone else wasfinding.

Gizmo (10:09):
Wow.

Chef (10:09):
But I don't dislike it at all.

Gizmo (10:10):
I'm finding this smoke to be very creamy for me.

Rooster (10:12):
It's like

Gizmo (10:13):
creamy, salty, little earthy, and a little nutty. I
think those would be kind of myone, two, three, four in a

Chef (10:20):
I might be coming onto the cream soon. I'm probably just
not there yet. So but I'mgetting everything else.

Bam Bam (10:25):
The retrohale is pretty glorious.

Gizmo (10:28):
The retro is great. Yeah. So, boys, this is the twelfth
Partagas cigar that we've doneon the podcast tonight. The most
recent I was actually surprisedby this. Time just flies, and
I'm pretty amazed.
The last one we did was theMaduro number three. We did that
on episode a 49 almost thirtyweeks ago. I can't believe how

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long ago. If you told me thatwas last month That was would
have believed

Bam Bam (10:54):
you. Great cigar.

Gizmo (10:54):
Great cigar.

Senator (10:55):
I was about to boycott the podcast if we didn't do this
today. This is ridiculous.

Bam Bam (11:00):
Well, he is mister Partagas.

Gizmo (11:02):
Mister Partagas. That's correct.

Senator (11:03):
Partagas. Partagas.

Gizmo (11:05):
So, obviously, folks out there looking for Partagas
history, you can go back tothose earlier episodes and tune
in to those. We're not gonna doany Partagas history tonight. We
will talk about the line here alittle bit. The Linea Maestra
line, like I said, announced atthe twenty twenty three Habanos
Festival just over two years agoand started being, released into

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the retail chain early twentytwenty four, just about a year
ago. Each of the cigars comes ina luxury box of 20, and the
three cigars in the line are asfollows.
The Maestro, which is a Robusto,56 by five and a quarter. All
three of these, let me makeclear, do have one zero nine
heads on them, the rounded tip.The second cigar on the line is

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the Orihen, which is a GranCorona, which is a 46 by six and
an eighth. And finally, thecigar we're having tonight is
the largest of the three, theRito. Its factory name is the
Gustosos, 52 by six and fiveeights inches long.
The smallest cigar in the line,the Maestro, retails for about
$55. The Orihen retails forabout 80 to $85, and the cigar

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we have in our hand is somewherebetween a hundred and 5 to a
hundred and $15. Is that MSRP?That's what I'm not sure that
that's MSRP, but that's whatyou're seeing them for currently
online.

Bam Bam (12:24):
So is there anything unique on the blending and the
leaf that commands that priceother than the packaging?

Gizmo (12:31):
No. It's the same thing as all the other cigars we've
talked about that that, youknow, Habanos is putting out. I
mean, it's the same stuff, justa different blend. Nothing
terribly special about it. Mhmm.
Obviously, they're selling thestory. They're selling the one
zero nine head. They're sellingthe history. And they've created
this line like they've done forMonte Cristo, the 1935. They've

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done for the Romeo y Julieta.
Those red boxes that aren'tselling very well. And there's
going to be more. I'm sure. I'msure those

Rooster (12:58):
are the only three markers they've done the linear.
Exactly.

Gizmo (13:01):
Yeah. Exactly. And there's going to be more, I'm

Bam Bam (13:03):
sure.

Gizmo (13:04):
So what's interesting about this release, boys, is
that what we know of partaguswhen you think of the word
partagus, you think of a certaincolor, and that color is always
blue. That color is definitivelyalways red. When you think
partagus, you think red becauseyou think of that that d four

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band that is so classic, the redband with the gold writing on it
that everybody knows from theLetter series and even other
Partagas, the eight nine eight,the Lusitania, any of those
others always have predominantlyred colors. And then for this
release, Habanos decided to goin the completely opposite

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direction and everything aboutthese cigars is blue.

Bam Bam (13:49):
Yeah. There's something unnatural about that color. And
because of the price, it'salmost like they intentionally
changed the color scheme tocommand a number that's so
unique. That's a good point. Idon't know.

Gizmo (14:01):
Like, you think about the Monte Cristo 1935 we did. Stayed
in that kind of brown, you know,the the kind of core color for
the line. Romeo y Julieta stayedwith red because Romeo is known
with for red and gold. It'sinteresting that Partagas went
completely in the oppositedirection and went all blue to
the point that on these cigars,there's a normal band which has

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a partagas Habana Cuba, which isvery much in line with the old
label, and it's a large band onall three of these. And then
each of them has their own bandwith the name of the actual
release on it.
So this one has a band that saysRito on it, then there's Orihen
and Maestro, and then at thebottom, there's a foot band that
says Partagas Linea Maestro onthe foot, all blue and gold. And

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then the boxes are also veryornate, of course.

Senator (14:52):
Mhmm.

Gizmo (14:52):
Trying to align with the price on this. They come in a a
really nice box inside a a suedekind of covering and then inside
the cardboard box.

Senator (15:01):
I'll say this. I mean, I'm just as confused why they
deviated from the actual brandcolors, but I do think the band
and even the footband, as muchas I always criticize them, I I
think the design is Yeah. Welldone.

Bam Bam (15:14):
Agreed. Agreed.

Gizmo (15:15):
Yeah. It is classy, and

Chef (15:16):
it looks nice. Still elegant.

Gizmo (15:17):
Yeah. It's elegant. It's just I don't understand why not
stick with the core of whateverybody your entire customer
base knows of Bartagos.

Bam Bam (15:24):
It better be elegant for that price.

Gizmo (15:26):
Yeah. No kidding. So inside the box, of course,
there's always a piece of paperthat kind of, know, lays out
Habanos' intention and story. SoI'm gonna read the piece of this
that's that I think isinteresting. It says, Rito is
one of the three sizes selectedby Habanos SA to take part in
Linea Maestra, the mostexclusive and elegant lineage of

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the Partagas brand.
La Linea Maestra pays tribute tothe unique origin or origin, the
learning and tradition that turnenjoying a Habano into a Rito,
and the Maestro who makes itpossible to create a quote
unquote masterpiece for theHabanos enthusiasts. These 20
Habanos of unique dimensionsincorporate for the first time

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in the brand's portfolio, thetapered head, which is actually
not true because as we know, theLusitanias did have that on
there, but in current production

Rooster (16:20):
Mhmm.

Gizmo (16:21):
That's certainly the case and have been made, quote
unquote, totomente a mano, whichmeans totally by hand with long
filler, totally handmade byexpert Cuban cigar rollers with
100% of the tobacco coming fromSan Luis in Vuelta A Bajo. So
that's the story on LineaMaestra as they're selling it,

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and, you know, cigar's good sofar.

Bam Bam (16:45):
Yeah. The one zero nine shape is actually very cool.

Gizmo (16:47):
I agree.

Bam Bam (16:47):
I I like it a lot. Chef, you were capturing the
aroma on the foot. What are yougetting?

Chef (16:52):
Yeah. So I'm I'm starting to hit on the creaminess a
little bit on

Gizmo (16:55):
the palate.

Bam Bam (16:56):
It's very mild, isn't it? Yeah. The aroma is very
mild, but pretty pleasant.

Chef (17:00):
And then as I was hitting the creaminess, I started
getting this salty nuttinessthat was coming from the burn
line, so that's what I wastrying to capture more of.

Senator (17:07):
I actually really love the burn line smells amazing.

Bam Bam (17:11):
It's like biscuit. It's kind of biscuity. Oh my bakery
type.

Senator (17:13):
It's like

Bam Bam (17:14):
a bakery.

Gizmo (17:15):
It's amazing. Now this cigar right now is reminding me
of Upman.

Senator (17:19):
Okay. I completely agree with that.

Gizmo (17:20):
That's where I'm at. This is an Upman

Bam Bam (17:22):
cigar. Which Upman? I mean Let's get granular, Giz.

Gizmo (17:26):
I would say there's a combination

Senator (17:28):
here

Gizmo (17:29):
between the up and number two and maybe the half corona in
flavor. I don't disagree. Iwouldn't say the Sir Winston,
that Tamora is like a leatherkind of component to that.

Bam Bam (17:40):
That's a different,

Gizmo (17:41):
yeah. Maybe even the royal robusta one.

Bam Bam (17:43):
I think that up in two and a half corona are pretty
good call outs here.

Gizmo (17:46):
But this is very much smoking like what I would expect
from an HOP.

Bam Bam (17:50):
It's pretty delicious.

Gizmo (17:51):
But I am missing that cinnamon thing. I'm missing that
kind of you know, what I expectfrom Partagas.

Bam Bam (17:58):
Partagas DNA.

Gizmo (17:59):
That DNA. I'm I'm it's it's not here for me right now.

Chef (18:03):
Well, there's plenty of cigar left, so I'm hoping it it
comes in. It's a point. There'sa lot of

Gizmo (18:07):
cigars here. Yeah.

Senator (18:08):
I'm just gonna say even if it doesn't, I'll I'll be very
satisfied with that. I reallylike the blend so far.

Bam Bam (18:13):
It's good. Yeah. It's good. Let's see what the final
third says.

Gizmo (18:19):
Alright, boys. It's time to talk about the Habanos
Festival, which just wrapped up.You know, we did speak about
some of the new releases, namelythe highlight release that came
out, the Cohiba Bihike 58. So wewon't repeat ourselves there.
But I gotta tell you, Habanosreleased 11 new cigars at the
festival earlier this month, andI wanted to go through some of

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those and see what you guysthink because I think some of
them are actually pretty cool.
Number one, this was surprising.The Diplomaticos Concieres,
which is a five by 52 cigarcoming in boxes of 25 is a new
regular production release forDiplomaticus. So they're coming

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out with effectively a robustoin Diplomaticus, which should be
interesting.

Bam Bam (19:04):
They have a short catalog.

Gizmo (19:06):
Right? They do, very small catalogs. So this is a
It's a good thing.

Bam Bam (19:09):
It's a compliment for them.

Gizmo (19:10):
I like seeing some of the smaller brands in the portfolio
get attention like Expandingtheir regular production. Yeah,
and I'd love to see it in Vegas,Romania. I'd love to see it in
El Rey Del Mundo. I'd love tosee it in Saint Louis Ray. So
we'll see if that happens.

Senator (19:25):
Yeah. I'd love to see in anyone but Diplomatico.
Sorry. We're

Bam Bam (19:30):
a fan of that We don't

Senator (19:31):
smoke the What do they have besides that, like,
bellicose?

Gizmo (19:35):
Well, have the number two.

Rooster (19:36):
The pyramid.

Gizmo (19:37):
They have the pyramid that we did in the the battle of
the Pyramidies. Mhmm.

Senator (19:41):
What do they have besides that?

Gizmo (19:42):
All those moons ago.

Rooster (19:43):
Bunch of regionals.

Gizmo (19:44):
And in regular production, they that's all they
have in That's it.

Senator (19:47):
That's it. They've got one cigar.

Bam Bam (19:48):
Yeah. Yeah.

Gizmo (19:49):
And they have a ton of discontinued stuff.

Bam Bam (19:51):
That's

Gizmo (19:51):
true. It is nice to see though that Robusto's coming out
there. Maybe it'll be great.We'll try it. They do, of
course, have a ton of regionalreleases that have been very
successful over the years.
Diplomatico's used a lot forregional additions for Habanos.
So another one is the TrinidadVia, which is a 47 ring gauge

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cigar by six and three quartersinches long. This is gonna be a
Casa del Habano and HabanoSpecialist release in boxes of
12. The factory name on thatcigar is the Juliet, the number
three. So, obviously, that'sgonna command a big dollar from
Trinidad and especially at thatsize, 47 by six and three
quarters.
That's a pretty big cigar. Idon't see the point. Another one

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is the La Gloria Cubana thirtyfifth anniversary. So,
obviously, that's not a thirtyfifth anniversary of La Gloria
Cubana, has been around for overa hundred years. This cigar is
celebrating thirty five years ofCuba's Casa Del Habano retail
franchise, which, of course, isnow a global phenomenon.
The and I'm quoting CigarAficionado there. So these are

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gonna be torpedoes, 54 ringgauge by seven and an eighth,
and the humidors commemoratingthe thirty fifth anniversary of
Casa del Habano. Each are gonnahave 35 cigars in the humidor.
So, of course, that is alsogoing to be very expensive. The
re release is going to belimited to only 750 humidors
worldwide.

Bam Bam (21:16):
Oh, let's take a guess

Gizmo (21:17):
at how much that 2,500 cigars, I think, total. Alright.
Let's do another one. The HolloDe Monterrey La Jolla series,
Del San Luis. So in 2014, alittle over ten years ago, Hollo
obviously launched the that newline from them, La Jolla.
So we've, you know, we've seensome of those cigars out there.
We actually have to do one ofthem for review at least, but

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this is a new addition to that.It's going to be a 52 ring gauge
cigar by six and three eighthsinches long. So this is
alongside the Hoyo De San Juanand the Rio Seco. Didn't we do
one of those?
No. We started that episode, andthen we aborted it.

Senator (22:00):
Oh, boy. I can't wait to dive into the next one.

Gizmo (22:02):
Correct. No. Was not very Wasn't

Bam Bam (22:06):
that a personnel issue that day?

Gizmo (22:08):
Could have been.

Bam Bam (22:09):
It could have been. This is burning really
exquisitely, right? Thedestruction's great. Yeah, the
burn line is really perfectlyhorizontal all the way around
the cigar. Nice bright whiteash.

Gizmo (22:20):
I like that none of the five of us have picked up a
lighter to touch it.

Bam Bam (22:25):
Yeah, it's performing nicely.

Rooster (22:27):
Yeah. We can't say stacking dimes anymore. Right?

Bam Bam (22:29):
No. I didn't say that, did

Senator (22:31):
I? No.

Chef (22:31):
You didn't.

Gizmo (22:34):
Alright. So let's do another one. I think I mentioned
this one before, but theKalexion Habanos, which I guess
is the twentieth edition ofthat, is going to be the Bolivar
Royal Gigantes 53 ring gaugecigar by six and seven eighths
inches long. A Vitola called theMitos, which is the first ever

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for Bolivar. It's going to be abig one.
If you remember, we did love theGigantes

Bam Bam (22:58):
It was good. That we did,

Gizmo (23:00):
which is a double corona.

Bam Bam (23:01):
This new one is a standard production?

Gizmo (23:02):
This is no. It's it's a special It's gonna come in one
of those fancy books, like thebook shaped boxes of 20.

Bam Bam (23:09):
At $80 a stick.

Gizmo (23:10):
It's gonna be than that.

Rooster (23:12):
More than that.

Gizmo (23:12):
More than that. If this one's a 11 regular production,
that's gonna be more than that.

Rooster (23:16):
Those books are expensive. They're

Gizmo (23:18):
very expensive.

Rooster (23:19):
Ridiculous. Seems like everything Habanos is coming out
with is just all specialreleases, ornate boxes, like 100
plus

Bam Bam (23:28):
They have a P and L to report to.

Senator (23:30):
Say it, Pam. Marketing.

Bam Bam (23:33):
Oh, it's marketing. If Poohba were here, he would say
that.

Gizmo (23:39):
Alright. Another one. Let's go to Partagas, the cigar
we have in our hand. They'recelebrating the year of the
snake with the Portagas Cedros,which is going to be a 50 ring
gauge cigar by five and threeeighths inches long. Of course,
they come with a bunch of bandson them, and, of course, it's
targeted for the Asian marketfor the year of the snake.

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And the boxes are gonna have 18of these cigars in them with all
the styling of the snake and thered and the gold and all that
stuff.

Rooster (24:08):
But Sounds like Davidoff.

Gizmo (24:09):
Another yeah. Another part is coming out specifically
targeting Asia.

Chef (24:13):
I feel like if you have a year of the snake, this is when
you release a culebra. Yeah.Right? Like, that's such a
missed opportunity. What's goingon?

Bam Bam (24:20):
Chef, you're turning into quite the marketer.

Chef (24:23):
It's been a big focus.

Senator (24:26):
You're being hated among this group. Even Davidoff
did Lancero for their year witha snake.

Bam Bam (24:31):
That's true.

Chef (24:32):
Yeah. Why not do a Culebra? And you're charging a
boatload of money anyway forcigars. Like, what's the

Gizmo (24:39):
I just wonder if people look at the Culebra and are just
like, I don't want to deal withthis. I mean, you take it apart,
it's like a curved know? It'slike it's like a crazy pretzel,
You know?

Senator (24:48):
Yeah. It's like, now I've gotta share two of these.

Bam Bam (24:50):
Yeah. Correct.

Senator (24:50):
Forget that. Correct.

Rooster (24:52):
Or smoke them altogether. That's right.

Gizmo (24:54):
Alright. So two Addision Limitatas for 2025 have been
announced. Curious about thisone. The punch Princessas
Edision Limitata 2025, '50 '2ring gauge by five and three
eights inches long, identicalsize to the Edmundo. That's the
Votoda.
It's identical to the Edmundo,so very close to a Robusto

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coming in boxes of 20. And thenthere will be another one, which
is the Monte Cristo Elba,Addision Limitada 2025, which is
a 54 ring gauge cigar by fiveand three quarters inches long
like a Robusto Extra. Wow.Encantos is the factory name on
that.

Bam Bam (25:36):
Seeing a punch with that ring gauge would be very
weird. I'm not accustomed toseeing that.

Gizmo (25:41):
It's gonna be like a punch, like, almost like almost
like a QD 52 kind of

Bam Bam (25:46):
That's really unusual.

Rooster (25:48):
I mean, else does punch make? Right? I mean, punch
regular production is what? Justpunch punch?

Bam Bam (25:53):
Yeah. Short

Senator (25:53):
short to

Bam Bam (25:54):
punch. To punch. Punch double corona.

Rooster (25:56):
Love punch double corona.

Bam Bam (25:57):
That's right. And we love that too.

Gizmo (25:59):
Yeah. So I'm interested in trying these. Again, seeing
that Odysseo Limitada bandcoming out on these, they're
just going to be priced. So, youknow, everything is coming

Rooster (26:07):
out with these larger ring gauge. Yeah. Right? And
nothing under 50. Nope.
They're all like 50 plus.Exactly right. So there's gonna

Gizmo (26:15):
be a third Adizio Limitada, which has not yet been
released. And finally, boys, notgonna go through these again in
severe detail, but the Monday,Wednesday, Friday, respectively,
highlight releases of theHabanos Festival this year.
First was the Romeo y JulietaAmantes as we talked about, 53
ring gauge by six inches long,celebrating a hundred and fifty

(26:37):
years of Romeo y Julieta.Wednesday night, they announced
the Gran Reserva for this year,the Gran Reserva Cossetia 2019,
which is the h Upman Magnum 50.Standard production cigar with
just some age on it, 50 by sixand three h three eighths inches
long.
Gonna be a very expensive box of15 as it usually is. And

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finally, of course, we talkedabout this a couple weeks ago,
the Cohiba Behike 58 waslaunched at the gala dinner on
Friday night at the festival. Sothat's probably gonna be a 5 or
6 or $700 cigar.

Bam Bam (27:13):
I'm sorry, but the an aged Magnum 50? That's hilarious
to me.

Gizmo (27:18):
I agree. I don't know why they chose that one.

Bam Bam (27:21):
I don't see how any age is gonna add flavor to that
cigar. It's not a bad cigar, butit's not gonna get improved with
age.

Gizmo (27:29):
I was very confused by it, to say

Bam Bam (27:31):
the least bit. Correct.

Gizmo (27:33):
What's everybody thinking about this cigar right now?
Because I am just,

Senator (27:36):
I'm loving I'm getting salted butter right now.

Bam Bam (27:39):
Yes. Oh, that's very accurate.

Chef (27:41):
Awesome. You nailed it. That's it. Yeah.

Bam Bam (27:43):
Very accurate. I like it. I think it's excellent right
now. Combustion's phenomenal.

Gizmo (27:49):
Yeah, and it's burning great.

Rooster (27:51):
Construction.

Bam Bam (27:52):
The smoke output is a little thin, think. The room
isn't full of smoke yet, but themoment you puff it kind of
evaporates.

Gizmo (28:00):
Otherwise I feel like I'm getting enough volume of smoke.

Bam Bam (28:02):
It's delicious though, so it's very satisfying.

Gizmo (28:04):
I'm not feeling like a chimney per se is center of

Bam Bam (28:08):
You're not getting chimney effect here.

Gizmo (28:09):
But I'm not feeling a lack of smoke.

Bam Bam (28:11):
Correct.

Senator (28:12):
Yeah, I agree with what both of you are saying. There's
not a lot of smoke output, butthe smoke itself is viscous and
coats your mouth that the bitthat you're getting is
satisfying. But I do wish atthis ring gauge that this had a
little more of a chimney qualityto I'd like a little more smoke.

Rooster (28:30):
Not getting a lot of volume. No. But it's velvety.

Bam Bam (28:33):
It is velvety, but it dissipates pretty quickly.

Rooster (28:35):
It does. Yeah. The construction on the cigar is
flawless.

Senator (28:38):
Right

Bam Bam (28:39):
now, it's impeccable. I agree.

Gizmo (28:40):
Right? Yeah, it's very good right now.

Bam Bam (28:42):
Yeah.

Chef (28:42):
I'm cracking just a little bit as we say that.

Bam Bam (28:44):
That's okay. That'll go away, but no one's ashed yet,
and everything is looking prettygood.

Gizmo (28:49):
I can't believe the burn line on all five of these cigars
right now. It's obscene.

Bam Bam (28:53):
It's crazy. That's what

Senator (28:54):
a hundred dollars gets you.

Bam Bam (28:55):
Hundred and 10. Oh, wait. A hundred and 15.

Rooster (28:57):
Sometimes. Not always.

Senator (29:00):
Yeah.

Gizmo (29:00):
Right?

Bam Bam (29:01):
Correct.

Gizmo (29:02):
Alright, boys. It's time to talk about our pairing
tonight. We have an interestingone, a debut actually, a rum
that everybody's heard of outthere. Whether you drink or not,
whether you are of even legalage or not, everybody has heard
of Bacardi. And tonight, we arebringing Bacardi on for the
first time with the ReservaOcho, eight years aged rum from

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Bacardi.

Bam Bam (29:24):
So the nose, I'm getting cherry.

Gizmo (29:26):
It's very nice, the nose. Yeah. Actually, it does kind of
remind me of a lot of the greatrum that we like.

Bam Bam (29:32):
Am I wrong, Chef? Nose. Getting a little bit of cherry
on the nose.

Chef (29:35):
Get some cherry.

Gizmo (29:38):
He's in the he's the

Bam Bam (29:39):
he's talking into the glass.

Senator (29:41):
Just like

Chef (29:42):
pagoda. I'm getting some cherry, a little almond here
too. Yeah. Yeah. Just.

Gizmo (29:50):
Oh, that's nice. It's a little it's a little cherry
cough drop on the finish for methat I don't like. It's a little
it has, like, almost like achemically Yeah. Kind of sugary
flavor that I don't love

Bam Bam (30:05):
on the It's sweet.

Chef (30:06):
Yeah. Very, very sweet.

Gizmo (30:07):
I'm glad it's not terribly viscous with the Cuban
cigar we have, but I'm notloving the finish on it.

Bam Bam (30:13):
A cube or two, I think, may make this a bit more
pleasant. It may dissipate thatsweetness a little bit.

Senator (30:18):
We can try it. I'll say this, I don't think there's
anything overly offensive aboutit. I agree, the cherry note is
pronounced and that's nottypically a note I would go for
in rum. It's very easy drinking.It's not hot.
Not at all. It's sweet, but notaggressively sweet. And I say
that because, again, I feel likeI've tried a lot of different

(30:41):
rums. Some Dominican rums inparticular can be so sweet,
like, it's mind blowing. This isnot in that camp where it's like
straight molasses, but it'sdefinitely on the a bit of the
sweeter side.

Bam Bam (30:55):
Correct.

Chef (30:55):
It's not a thick sweet. Yeah, it's not a rich sweetness.

Senator (30:58):
Not like a molasses sweet. No.

Gizmo (30:59):
No. It just seems like an artificial type of sweetness on
the finish that is turning meoff.

Bam Bam (31:07):
He's also not wrong.

Gizmo (31:08):
Yeah. You know, it just tastes like a Luden's cough drop
almost. Like a Luden's, you knowwhat I mean? Those red You're
right on that. That's the finishto me.
It's almost medicinal in a way.

Bam Bam (31:17):
I hate cough medicine.

Gizmo (31:19):
Yeah. It's almost like that for me.

Bam Bam (31:21):
Is there an age statement on this?

Chef (31:22):
Eight years. Years. So,

Bam Bam (31:26):
you know, walking down that street in Cuba.

Rooster (31:29):
Which street?

Bam Bam (31:30):
I don't know. On our way to the Partagas shop.
Obispo. Is that what it is?Okay.
I'll take your word for it. Theold Bacardi factory there.

Gizmo (31:40):
Yeah. Actually, that's their old office.

Bam Bam (31:43):
They're not their Not their factory, sir. That was
their HQ. Still a very coolbuilding though.

Senator (31:47):
Yeah, it's an Art Deco building.

Bam Bam (31:49):
It is. Very well done, Senator. That logo is there. The
building is still very nicelyintact. Yeah.
Pretty historic structure,think.

Gizmo (31:57):
It was actually restored recently. I know senator's gonna
go through some of the historyon Bacardi here in a minute. Oh,
yeah? I have a couple tidbitsbecause I've always been
fascinated by two buildingsspecifically

Bam Bam (32:07):
That one.

Gizmo (32:07):
In Havana. That one, the Bacardi HQ is one, and of
course, the old Partagasfactory.

Bam Bam (32:12):
So that was their headquarters? Bacardi That was
their HQ. Administrativeoffices.

Gizmo (32:15):
Prior to the revolution, that's where Bacardi ran Oh,
very the rum business out ofthat specific building. I think
they made the rum in Santiago DeCuba in a factory out

Bam Bam (32:25):
there. It was cool to see that on our very, very first
trip to Cuba. That was reallycool to see.

Senator (32:30):
A little on Bacardi's history. Us visiting Cuba, I've
been to their factory in inPuerto Rico near San Juan.
Really? And usually, like, youknow, these factory tours,
they're, like, normally prettycheesy. You don't feel like you
get a whole lot.
I actually think they do areally nice job there. I had a
great time. So for me, was justfun to dive into. There you get

(32:54):
more of kind of their new worldhistory and to just get a little
more context around, like, howthings were when they were in
Cuba, I just found fascinating.So they were founded in 1862 in
Cuba by Spanish born Don FacundoBacardi.
His family immigrated to Cuba in1830 when he was 16 years old
from Spain. He eventually openeda small distillery with his

(33:16):
brother-in-law in Santiago, likehis was talking about. That's
where they were actuallyproducing the rum. You've
probably seen on every singleBacardi bottle that bat logo
they Yep. So Facundo's wifesuggested the bat as the
company's logo when she noticeda colony of fruit bats in the
distillery rafters.
And apparently, that's like asign of good fortune in Latin

(33:39):
America, so the the bat became abig thing. It's on every bottle.
During the Cuban war forindependence, I found this
fascinating. Facundo's sonEmilio fought for, on the Cuban
side, for independence fromSpain. He was captured, exiled,
and jailed for four years.
Wow. But wildly, he eventually,when he returned, was the first

(34:03):
freely elected mayor ofSantiago, Cuba. Wow.

Bam Bam (34:06):
Oh, that's pretty cool. Pretty cool. That's cool.

Senator (34:08):
McCarty passed down the family business three
generations and eventually movedits headquarters to Havana in
1930 When the Cuban revolutionhappened, obviously, Castro took
over in '59, his regime seizedall of the Bacardi family's
assets and estate and forcedthem out of the country.

Bam Bam (34:28):
Unbelievable.

Senator (34:29):
Now, Bacardi luckily managed to hide its proprietary
formula, trademark, and all ofits assets in The Bahamas.
Smart. And eventually, theymoved their operation to Puerto
Rico, Mexico, and even TheUnited States. And Puerto Rico
is where their largest factoryis to this day. Again, cannot
recommend enough.

(34:49):
If you visit San Juan, PuertoRico, go visit the factory. They
are very generous with thedrinks there. I mean, I vividly
remember when you get there andpay for How

Gizmo (35:01):
vivid do you actually remember?

Senator (35:03):
Oh, no.

Gizmo (35:03):
Is it a cloudy vivid?

Senator (35:04):
This is the this is this is the early part, I
remember. Oh, okay. I'm notgonna speak for the later part,
but they give you you know,like, raffle tickets at, you
know, fair or something likethat? They give you a bunch of
these raffle tickets, andthey're drink tickets, and it's
just all included with what youpay, and they're full size
drinks. I remember Double pours.

Rooster (35:24):
Oh my

Senator (35:24):
god. It was crazy. You really can try everything, and
it's full cocktails and glasses.Wow. So very fun experience
there.
And the last thing I'll say thatI definitely didn't know about
Bacardi, they're credited with alot of firsts. So they
discovered a proprietary strainof yeast that is even named
after Bacardi, and they stilluse to this day that gives it,

(35:47):
like, their distinct flavorprofile, filter it through
charcoal, and then age the rumin white oak barrels to mellow
it out. And so they actually,using this method, were the
first in the world to produce awhite or clear rum

Bam Bam (36:01):
Wow.

Senator (36:01):
That had never been done up until that point.
They're also credited withcreating the first Cuba Libre.
That was Bacardi and Coke. AndErnest Hemingway's favorite
drink, the daiquiri. And we,when we were in Havana, visited
the Florida where Hemingway usedto hang out.

Bam Bam (36:17):
Oh,

Senator (36:17):
yeah. I hadn't really pieced together or realized that
when Hemingway lived in Cuba inthe late thirties and would go
there, that's the rum thateveryone in Cuba was drinking
was Bacardi.

Bam Bam (36:30):
Oh, shit.

Senator (36:30):
So the daiquiri really was born with that, and in
Hemingway's books, like, hewrites about Bacardi, and when
he won like a Nobel Prize,Bacardi threw like a massive
party for him, so he likeunintentionally became a huge
brand ambassador. And then as weknow, obviously, when Bacardi
was forced out, and even to thisday, you will never find a
single Bacardi product in Cuba.

Gizmo (36:50):
No way.

Senator (36:51):
Havana Club became, you know, really like the the
national rum. So just afascinating history of kinda
what they've been through.

Bam Bam (36:57):
Very cool.

Gizmo (36:58):
I what I find interesting is this you know, you don't even
connect the dots when you walkinto a liquor store and you see
Havana Club on the shelves herein The United States. That's a
Puerto Rican version of HavanaClub, and guess who produces it?
Locardia. Locardia. Locardia.
And there's a lawsuit on this.Yeah. They are suing each other.

Bam Bam (37:19):
How ironic.

Gizmo (37:20):
Isn't that I love the irony. That's crazy. That during
the revolution, they were forcedout, and then now they make
their own quote unquote, notcounterfeit, but parallel
version

Bam Bam (37:31):
Yeah.

Chef (37:31):
New world.

Gizmo (37:32):
Yeah. New world version of Havana Club Run. The other
thing too, Senator, I wanted toask you about this because I saw
you were talking about thefirsts that the Bacardi family
introduced charcoal filtrationto rum. Like, what does charcoal
do to the process, or why wouldthey have done that?

Senator (37:51):
I'll give like the simple layman's answer, and then
chef could probably go into moredetail. It's to remove the
impurities.

Bam Bam (37:57):
That's exactly right.

Senator (37:57):
The primary purpose. And the thing I hadn't realized
about rum, like, you know, we'vedone some really old
distilleries like Mount Gay, Ithink, is the world's oldest
rum. They were back in the earlyseventeen hundreds.

Bam Bam (38:09):
We did that.

Gizmo (38:09):
Yeah. We did that.

Senator (38:10):
Yeah. The funny thing is, like, you you hear that and
you're like, oh, wow. So theywere producing great rum for a
while. What I hadn't realized isuntil Bacardi in the eighteen
hundreds, rum was a rough, roughdrink. Like, there weren't high
standards for alcohol at thattime period, but like, rum was
the bottom of the barrel interms of it being like really
harsh, really aggressive Highproof.

(38:33):
And high proof, and there justwasn't Think Clarin. Right.

Chef (38:36):
Right? Rum agrovol, Clarin. Like, that's old world
rum.

Gizmo (38:40):
That's what So that's what this used to taste like is
what you're saying in Cubabecause it's the early days.
Before they refined theseproducts.

Senator (38:46):
Everywhere in

Gizmo (38:46):
The Caribbean.

Bam Bam (38:47):
That's what you drink to go to bed.

Senator (38:48):
Right to bed.

Bam Bam (38:50):
That will put you right to bed.

Senator (38:51):
Lights up. And so the wild thing is like Bacardi
really was the pioneer in likerefining that spirit and
creating like a category for itas like a premium spirit that
doesn't have to punch you in theface every time you drink it,
and I had never known any ofthat. And so that whole process
is is really credited withBacardi.

Gizmo (39:14):
And they also were the first rum manufacturers, from
what I've read, that introducedoak barrel aging to rum

Senator (39:21):
That's right.

Gizmo (39:22):
In Cuba. Like, that's crazy.

Bam Bam (39:23):
Yeah. Also, I haven't heard of any manufacturer
introducing charcoal filtration.I haven't heard that. Well, must
be part

Gizmo (39:31):
of a standard process now, right?

Chef (39:33):
I don't You see it a lot in the agave world with
crystallinos.

Bam Bam (39:37):
Really?

Chef (39:37):
Yeah, so crystallino is essentially an anejo or a
blended anejo, so it'll havemultiple age expressions in it.
But then they charcoal filterit, so that way it is then
crystal clear.

Bam Bam (39:48):
Hence

Chef (39:48):
the name Cristalino. I think that explains the short
finish on this. This may becharcoal filtered before it hits
the aging

Bam Bam (39:57):
This does have a bit of a short finish. Very short
finish.

Chef (40:00):
And then when Senator was mentioning the raffle tickets at
the fair, it's funny because asI'm drinking, I'm like, this
tastes like cotton candy to me.It does. There's a very, like at
the tail end, just before itbecomes the cough syrup.

Bam Bam (40:16):
I'm actually getting that in the front.

Chef (40:17):
Yeah, exactly. Before the finish, before it becomes cough
syrupy, I get like cotton candynotes on it. So yeah, I think
it's thin finish and maybe it'snot super complex, right?
There's there's a littlesomething there, but I think
it's lack of soul is coming fromthe fact that it's being

(40:39):
charcoal filter prior to aging.Yeah.
True.

Senator (40:42):
Yeah. Bacardi, they I mean, we were talking about the
the barrels you mentioned, Giz.They have the most rum aging in
barrels of any rum distiller orproducer in the world. They've
got half a million barrels rightnow just aging rum waiting to be
Sold. Yeah.
It's crazy. Guess I

Rooster (41:03):
was I was just gonna your your ash was making me

Gizmo (41:05):
so nervous. I know, dude. And I just took an ash bath.
Yeah.

Bam Bam (41:09):
I I think we all

Gizmo (41:10):
all over me.

Bam Bam (41:11):
Yeah. I just stashed in the ashtray.

Gizmo (41:12):
I was way I was trying to hold on until we finished the
Bacardi conversation to say,look at my ash.

Rooster (41:17):
Mhmm. Were busy talking, and I

Gizmo (41:18):
was like, please ash.

Chef (41:22):
I think we ashed or dropped our ash almost at the
same time.

Gizmo (41:25):
That's correct.

Rooster (41:26):
That did held on for quite some time.

Gizmo (41:28):
Yeah. I have to say one more thing about this because
I'm obsessed with the PicardyBuilding. I've always found it
interesting walking throughHavana and whatnot. And as
senator noted, it was opened in1930, but I was doing a little
more reading on it and I foundon Wikipedia that the building
was an outcome of anarchitectural design
competition. So they invited anumber of architects in Cuba to

(41:51):
present design proposals, andthe new headquarters building
winner won 1,000 pesos.
Great. Which today, I believe,is about $3.

Senator (42:03):
Wow. Bam came in with the highest bid. Correct. No
way.

Gizmo (42:09):
So I encourage any listener out there to do some
googling on this. I mean, justlooking at even look at the the
entrance way.

Bam Bam (42:18):
Mhmm.

Gizmo (42:18):
I mean, it's just a beautiful

Bam Bam (42:20):
The facade of the building is very cool.

Senator (42:23):
I'd love to see the inside in person. Me Apparently,
there's like tons of marble andgranite.

Bam Bam (42:27):
It'd be great.

Rooster (42:28):
Is it open to the public?

Gizmo (42:29):
I don't know if it is, but it was renovated, I believe,
just a few years ago.

Bam Bam (42:35):
Really?

Gizmo (42:35):
Yeah. It was completely renovated from what I was
reading, but

Bam Bam (42:39):
We may have some lounge

Gizmo (42:40):
chairs It was restored by an Italian construction firm.
The interior retains theoriginal decorations in marble
and granite. It's regarded asone of the finest art deco
buildings in all of LatinAmerica.

Bam Bam (42:53):
So hold on. Is it accessible?

Gizmo (42:55):
I don't know. I think we should try it next time we go.
Yeah.

Bam Bam (42:58):
It'd be great to see.

Gizmo (42:59):
Yeah. It's pretty cool. So it's in Habana Vieja for
anybody who's looking. Like Isaid, those two buildings
obviously, the Capitol Buildingis one thing. Right?
That's a beautiful building inHavana. But the old Partagas
shop is just the picture ofCuban industry and factory and
cigars. You think of the oldPartagas factory, which, of

(43:19):
course, now has been shut for afew years because it was deemed
unsafe. And this Bacardi HQ,those are really the two
buildings outside of the thecapital in Havana that I think
stand out Yeah. You know, intheir design and their I mean,
even and we're gonna talk aboutthis in a little bit.
Even one of the humidors sold atthe festival auction this year
at the Habanos Festival wasmodeled after the look of the

(43:42):
Partigas show.

Bam Bam (43:43):
How many millions did that go for?

Gizmo (43:44):
We'll talk about that in a little bit. We'll talk about
that in

Chef (43:46):
a little bit.

Gizmo (43:47):
So boys, we're coming to the end of the first third here
on the Partigas, Linea Maestrain Rito. What's everybody
thinking?

Senator (43:53):
I have never gotten more salt or butter in any cigar
I have ever smoked. This isoutrageous. It's like someone
literally took a piece of saltedbutter Can't disagree. Added
more sea salt on top of it, andI had to eat it. That's
literally what I'm getting rightnow.

Bam Bam (44:11):
Are you getting any of that brown butter, brown sugar
type thing? For me, salty,buttery, and a little brown
sugar is what I'm getting.

Chef (44:19):
That might be the introduction of the rum too.

Bam Bam (44:22):
It could be.

Chef (44:22):
I don't remember what stick it was that we were
smoking where we were allgetting salted butter notes. It
was very lactic.

Bam Bam (44:29):
Think the salted butter is accurate.

Rooster (44:33):
Think it was the Monte Cristo White White Edmundo?

Bam Bam (44:38):
I don't remember. There's a subtle sophistication
to this cigar. I think Puba andGrindr would love this thing.

Senator (44:46):
I agree.

Gizmo (44:47):
And I think Pagoda would too.

Bam Bam (44:49):
I think so too. It does take a little patience to kind
of sit with this and kind ofunderstand what you're getting,
and you gotta definitely takeyour time with it like most
Cuban cigars, but there's a lotgoing on here. It's very subtle,
though.

Gizmo (45:01):
On the burn line, I'm getting, like, burnt brown
sugar.

Bam Bam (45:06):
I said that earlier.

Senator (45:07):
I agree on the burn Yeah.

Gizmo (45:08):
Yeah. And it's so different than the actual draw.
It's one of these cigars that wetalk about between the
retrohale, the draw, the smellat the burn line, where you're
getting three experiences thatkinda, when they merge together,
kinda really The retro for me

Bam Bam (45:23):
is where I'm getting the most sweetness for me. The
aroma of the foot, a little bitof brown sugar, salted caramel,
but on the traditional draw,salted butter, 100%.

Rooster (45:36):
Yeah. I mean, on the burn line, it you do get that
sweet note.

Senator (45:41):
Yeah.

Rooster (45:43):
Delicious cigar.

Bam Bam (45:44):
Very good.

Gizmo (45:45):
In in my retrohale, you guys are gonna think this is
crazy. I just got, like, a hitof, like, key lime pie. Like

Bam Bam (45:52):
Yeah. I'm not getting that, but I'm looking for it.

Gizmo (45:54):
Citrus a little.

Chef (45:54):
Did you eat dinner tonight?

Gizmo (45:56):
I did.

Senator (45:57):
Hours ago. What'd have for dessert, Kiss?

Gizmo (45:58):
Yeah. Nothing. Nothing. This is my dessert right now.
I'm really loving this.
Mhmm. This is pretty impressive.

Chef (46:05):
I think what you're pulling on that from the key
lime from the key lime pie islike graham cracker

Gizmo (46:09):
crust.

Bam Bam (46:10):
So I have a question for you, Giz. You've had these
in your tower for how long?

Gizmo (46:16):
That's a great question, Bam.

Bam Bam (46:17):
Six weeks?

Gizmo (46:20):
Four four no. Probably two months. Probably two months.
Eight Something like that.

Bam Bam (46:26):
It feels good to me. I mean, I think this has been kept
perfectly.

Gizmo (46:30):
Well, what else do you expect? Well, I mean,

Senator (46:33):
it's always been there.

Bam Bam (46:34):
I I mean, do you

Gizmo (46:37):
expect here?

Bam Bam (46:37):
Go ahead, senator.

Senator (46:38):
It's a lot of kitty litter.

Gizmo (46:41):
There is no kitty litter impacting the flavor of the
cigar boys.

Chef (46:46):
Zero. Could be why it's so salty.

Senator (46:48):
Yeah. Gizmo picked up salted kitty litter.

Bam Bam (46:51):
It the blue or the pale white?

Rooster (46:53):
The creamy

Gizmo (46:54):
butter. Buttered popcorn kitty litter. You know, that's
not a

Chef (46:59):
bad point. I mean, salt could be used to remove humidity
from the air just like the thesilica beads. Right?

Rooster (47:04):
That's good

Gizmo (47:05):
point, chef Ricky, but, no, I didn't I did not use any
any kitty litter to acclimatethese cigars to the proper
humidity. I will say, you know,I've seen other reviews online
and whatnot where people wereteeing off on the flavor,
construction, burn, etcetera

Bam Bam (47:21):
It's a polarizing cigar.

Gizmo (47:22):
On these cigars, but I just wonder It's nuts. If
they're smoking them too humid.

Senator (47:26):
It has to be. I'm sorry. I think this blend is
excellent. I don't care at allwhether it's traditional
partagus. It's so unique in whatit's delivering, and the flavor
profile is much milder than Ifeel like what any of us would
normally go for.
Mhmm. Yet, it's still sosatisfying.

Gizmo (47:45):
It is.

Senator (47:46):
It's like they've done something really well.

Bam Bam (47:47):
Definitely captures your attention.

Gizmo (47:49):
I gotta ask you guys a question. I know a couple of you
guys had cigars at differentpoints during the day today.
Where would you slot as of thispoint, I know we're we're in the
second, third now. Right? Comingup on the halfway point.
Where where would you slot thiscigar in your day as it stands
right now at this At this price?It's really Well, now forget the
price.

Bam Bam (48:08):
I'm gonna

Rooster (48:08):
put prices. Yeah. Forget the price. So anywhere in
the day, I think.

Chef (48:11):
I think it's versatile. Yeah. It's mild enough. Smoke it
in the morning

Bam Bam (48:14):
if you

Chef (48:16):
but yet fulfilling enough to be Yeah.

Bam Bam (48:18):
If I'm doing a sit with the guys, this would probably be
the first cigar I smoke, andthen lead into some other fuller
bodied cigars.

Rooster (48:26):
This would go really well with a cup of coffee in the
morning.

Senator (48:29):
For sure.

Bam Bam (48:30):
Sure. You know? I mean,

Senator (48:30):
I agree with all the above.

Chef (48:31):
Coffee and cream.

Senator (48:32):
Yeah. I think I agree with Rooster in that I could
smoke this in the morning or theafternoon,

Bam Bam (48:36):
Oh, yeah.

Senator (48:36):
But I'm also with BAM, I think, like, as a first stick
to start an evening. I mean,full disclosure, this is my
fourth cigar today. Look at No.But seriously, and I'm enjoying
it. You know?
It's not like because I've had abunch of other cigars before it,
most of which have been strongerin flavor profile than this, I'm
still getting so much out ofthis.

Bam Bam (48:56):
I have to admit, like, I broke my own rule before the
recording I had.

Chef (49:00):
Shocking.

Bam Bam (49:00):
I had a cigar.

Chef (49:02):
It's not your fault.

Bam Bam (49:03):
Honestly It's

Rooster (49:03):
my fault.

Bam Bam (49:04):
I was a little worried coming in.

Senator (49:05):
Bam not accountable to himself.

Bam Bam (49:07):
Not accountable to my that's rule number four, I
think.

Gizmo (49:10):
No. Rule number four is no plastic bag. Correct. Gotta

Bam Bam (49:12):
get the numbers for

Rooster (49:13):
the plastic It's number seven.

Chef (49:14):
We really need to put this in stone. Yeah,

Bam Bam (49:16):
I don't I don't try to have that cigar before the
podcast, but Senator, I thinkyou're correct. This is so
unique, and it's a greatexperience. It stands on its
own.

Senator (49:28):
I just wanna see BAM carve into stone like a
Flintstone all these rules.

Bam Bam (49:32):
I am.

Senator (49:32):
I will. Just walk around. Like

Gizmo (49:34):
the 10 commandments.

Senator (49:35):
Commandments, that's right.

Bam Bam (49:37):
10 banments.

Gizmo (49:37):
With the chisels. 10 banmammas. Correct.

Chef (49:42):
Bam, bam, bam.

Rooster (49:44):
So does it affect your palate if you had a cigar
earlier?

Bam Bam (49:47):
No. I'm surprised how

Rooster (49:48):
this That's a flawed rule.

Bam Bam (49:50):
Well, maybe.

Rooster (49:51):
We need to rewrite them.

Bam Bam (49:52):
Yeah. I like the purity of not having a cigar walking in
here.

Gizmo (49:54):
So I I will say this is my first cigar of the

Chef (49:57):
day. It's my first two, but we're we're finding very
similar notes on on the palate.

Gizmo (50:02):
Oh, no. Don't really buy into Pam's theory on on whether
you have Don't

Senator (50:06):
worry. Don't worry. Elon's gonna take care of this.
Thank you. Way too manyregulations from Pam.

Bam Bam (50:11):
Oh, yeah. I'm gonna get canceled.

Gizmo (50:15):
I'm finding this to be very unique. It's for me
standing, obviously I haddinner, so I'm not speaking from
a point of not having a goodmeal before we sat down. It's a
few hours ago I had dinner, butI think, for my first cigar of
the day, where it's sittingright now, it's like a great
starter, but I also feel like ifthis continues or even improves

(50:36):
from where it's at, like, thiscould be totally a one and done
for me, and I'd be verysatisfied as far as the
experience it gave me.

Bam Bam (50:44):
Yeah. It's a very, very good

Gizmo (50:46):
Like, I'm not you know, sometimes when we're smoking a
cigar, you know, full disclosureto the listener, all of us are
kind of thinking about when weput the mics down and pack
everything up and get out ofhere, what's the next cigar when
we go over the lounge that we'regonna smoke after we record? I'm
not even thinking about thatright

Chef (51:01):
No.

Bam Bam (51:01):
It's pretty

Gizmo (51:02):
It's very satisfying.

Bam Bam (51:03):
Yeah. It's capturing your attention for sure.

Rooster (51:05):
This would be a very expensive breakfast cigar.

Senator (51:08):
It looks like

Bam Bam (51:08):
Not for

Rooster (51:09):
you. Hundred and $10.

Bam Bam (51:10):
Not for you, Rooster.

Gizmo (51:13):
Now let me ask you guys a question on price because we
talk a lot about price. We didthat Padron sixtieth anniversary
last week.

Bam Bam (51:22):
$75.

Gizmo (51:23):
70 5 bucks. This eclipses that by $35 effectively. You
know Two very differentexperiences. But that's again,
hitting triple digits on this.Yeah.
It's really challenging for meto get excited about this cigar
because I don't know when I'mgonna have this again.

Bam Bam (51:44):
Yeah. And

Gizmo (51:44):
Is is anyone in this room as we're standing right now
gonna run out and buy a box ofthese

Bam Bam (51:48):
If you can find It's not readily available.

Gizmo (51:51):
You can get these right now from several retailers.

Bam Bam (51:54):
Really?

Gizmo (51:54):
But you're gonna pay 22 to $2,300 a box of 20. Are you
gonna go

Rooster (51:59):
out and do that? Maybe maybe the Robusto.

Gizmo (52:03):
Yeah. It's $55.

Rooster (52:05):
That's $55 for Robusto, which is you know, I mean, these
days, if you go get a d four,that's gonna cost you, what, 30
plus?

Bam Bam (52:14):
28 to $32.

Gizmo (52:16):
Right? But I would assume that the d four is gonna knock
the Robusto version of this outof the park Correct. Most times
out of 10?

Bam Bam (52:24):
A % correct.

Gizmo (52:25):
You know, I know it's a different experience probably.

Senator (52:26):
They're trying to do very different things.

Gizmo (52:28):
True. There's no question about that.

Senator (52:29):
I I can't I wouldn't even compare them. But before
anything, because you're makingme very nervous.

Gizmo (52:33):
Why?

Senator (52:34):
You gotta slow down. I am? You're smoking way fast.

Gizmo (52:37):
Oh, I'm loving this thing right now.

Bam Bam (52:38):
It's it's

Gizmo (52:39):
hard Honestly, I'm worried

Bam Bam (52:41):
it's hard not to draw on

Senator (52:42):
it. I know, but I'm worried that in the final third,
you're gonna lose some of theflavor. I would just advise you
to take

Bam Bam (52:47):
it easy. I may be that's probably what I was
guilty of the first time I hadthis. I may have gone through it
way too quickly, and that thatfinal third just backed

Gizmo (52:54):
up on I'm honest. I can't get enough of this right now.

Bam Bam (52:57):
It's good.

Gizmo (52:58):
I can't get enough and it's it's hard to slow down
because it's tasting so good.

Chef (53:02):
It's good. I'm that. You know what's going to help? Drink
less rum. That's probably truetoo.

Gizmo (53:10):
Found

Chef (53:10):
myself, like, I would drink rum and then I'd lose the
cigar, and I really wanted toget the cigar back, so I started
drawing a little quickly on thecigar.

Gizmo (53:19):
And this thing we do here is so challenging, isn't it?

Senator (53:21):
Yeah. Correct. I'd like to take the opposite approach. I
mean, want something satisfying.So if I can't draw the cigar too
often, I'm going to the rub.

Bam Bam (53:28):
Correct. Whatever I'm drinking kinda delays my desire
for a draw, and it helps to slowme down.

Gizmo (53:36):
I just think the finish on this is so short to Ricky's
point. I'm going after cigarbecause I want to get something
back on my palate that is salt.And I think the salty thing,
it's almost

Chef (53:46):
It's addicting.

Gizmo (53:47):
It's little addictive, right? Salt is notoriously
addictive, right?

Bam Bam (53:50):
Salt and butter.

Gizmo (53:51):
Salt and butter? I mean, it's like we're at the movies
right now.

Bam Bam (53:54):
It's like bacon.

Chef (53:55):
Dude, I literally just left the restaurant, and it's
just like

Gizmo (53:58):
yes. It's like I'm still there. You're back you're back

Senator (54:00):
in there.

Gizmo (54:00):
Salt and butter. A lot less stressful, though.

Chef (54:02):
Yes. Yes.

Gizmo (54:04):
So the funny

Senator (54:04):
thing with this rum Pretty good. I've never had
this, like, standard eight yearthat they make, or I shouldn't
say that. I'm sure I had at thefactory. I obviously don't
remember. But there's a fewvariations of this, like these
limited release that they comeout with.
And the first time I tried this,there's lizard AC at our lounge.
He drinks this. I mean, he'sPuerto Rican, so, you know, he

(54:26):
loves to support a a PuertoRican product. And the first
time I tried it with him, he hada it's the same bottle, but with
a green label, and it's finishedin a rye cask. And they also
have one because when Giz waspicking this up with

Gizmo (54:40):
a sherry cask Yeah. I called senator. I'm like, which
one are we getting?

Senator (54:43):
Now we we did this because this, you'll be able to
get those limited releases. It'sjust a limited run, and that's
it. So if we liked one of them,the odds of listeners gonna be
able to find it very slim.

Bam Bam (54:53):
Oh, wow.

Senator (54:54):
But the Rycask that I tried had a much longer finish
than this does.

Bam Bam (54:59):
I'm sure.

Senator (54:59):
So I'm a little surprised, like, how dramatic
the step down is from this whenthey're both eight year, and the
only difference is justfinishing in that rye cask.

Gizmo (55:09):
Yeah. I wonder if the sherry cask version of this too
would also have a longer finish.You It

Bam Bam (55:15):
It should maybe. And you'd have to wonder if it was
sweeter than what we'reexperiencing.

Gizmo (55:19):
Well, that's also my Yeah.

Bam Bam (55:21):
Sherry cask, yeah.

Gizmo (55:23):
It was only $3 more. I mean, just for the listener out
there, this bottle that we havetonight was 32.99.

Bam Bam (55:28):
Yeah. And I will say the sweetness that I that for me
personally, that I experiencedon the first two or three sips
has dissipated. It's kind ofmellowed out a little bit. My
palates adjusted to it. I'mkinda like it.

Senator (55:40):
I agree with that.

Bam Bam (55:41):
Yeah. It's very easy to drink. Sweetness kind of
dissipated for me.

Chef (55:45):
Cigars like a salted biscuit or whatever. No,

Gizmo (55:48):
no, biscuit. Biscuit. We're not

Chef (55:50):
at butter. Now we're at biscuits. Butters on

Bam Bam (55:51):
a biscuit.

Chef (55:52):
We're browning. Correct. Now we're browning.

Gizmo (55:55):
Yeah. This is pretty awesome right now. Partagus,
baby. Yeah, man. Alright, boys.
So let's talk a little bit moreabout the Hibana's festival that
just wrapped up earlier thismonth. And we every year, we
talk about the auction thathappens at the end of the gala
dinner on Friday night, and it'salways lunacy. And this year was

(56:18):
no different. Six of the lotssold for 1,000,000 or more, and
one set a new record selling forjust under $5,000,000.

Rooster (56:29):
Wow. Wow.

Chef (56:31):
Obscene. Think any of those people listen to the pod.

Senator (56:34):
Oh, no.

Gizmo (56:36):
So let's talk about some of the lots that they sold. One
was a Flor de Juan Lopezhumidor, which started the
auction, sold for $228,000.That's what Cesar Rooster picked
that up.

Rooster (56:50):
Florida Juan Lopez. Yes.

Gizmo (56:52):
As did a La Gloria Cubana humidor.

Senator (56:57):
That's the second one Rooster bought.

Bam Bam (56:58):
Correct. That's his favorite markup.

Gizmo (57:01):
Then getting into kinda closer prices to what I was
expecting, the h Upman humidor,which had two doors which opened
via like a push action buttondecorated with golden leaves all
over. It came with 375 Upmancigars including 25 H Upman
number twos and a bunch ofothers, Sir Winston's, etcetera,

(57:23):
sold for $938,000 for 375cigars.

Rooster (57:28):
Hope that was a

Chef (57:29):
soft open

Bam Bam (57:30):
Yeah. That's a Puba investment all over.

Gizmo (57:32):
Yeah. He would he would love that.

Senator (57:33):
No. Puba put his paddle down as soon as they said
there's no love 14 in there. Hewas out.

Bam Bam (57:38):
Well, know, he walks into every room. The first thing
he says, love 14? How you doing,guys? Lab 14.

Gizmo (57:45):
So then there was an Oyo de Monterrey Humidor, which
reached $1,770,000 designed toresemble the gate of the famed
plantation in Vuelta A Bajo whenJose Guinier created the brand
in 1865, had 400 Hoyo cigars init, of course. Churchill's,

(58:07):
double Coronas, OdysseoLimitatas, etcetera. But 400
cigars for $1,770,000. That'snot bad.

Senator (58:16):
That's yeah. 400 cigars. That's a great deal.

Bam Bam (58:19):
Oh, you get a box at the end of the day.

Gizmo (58:21):
So this one might be my favorite looking, boys, of the
entire thing, going back to theconversation we had earlier
about the buildings in Habana,but the Partagas That's like

Bam Bam (58:32):
a scale architectural model.

Gizmo (58:33):
It's pretty incredible. Right? Yeah. It looks just like
the facade of the old Partagasfactory in Havana.

Bam Bam (58:39):
I can make that for a hundred grand.

Senator (58:41):
I was just gonna say, let's just have Ben make that.
Yeah. But not for a hundredgrand, more like a hundred
bucks.

Bam Bam (58:46):
Yeah. I could make my cost would probably be about a
thousand dollars.

Gizmo (58:49):
And you'd sell it for a hundred grand? Yes. To your
friends? To the to

Bam Bam (58:52):
the to Habano SSA because apparently, they're
buying anything and then sellingit.

Rooster (58:56):
And what is it made out of?

Gizmo (58:58):
Wood or metal? So it incorporates bronze and three
kinds of wood. Bronze. That'swhat they say.

Senator (59:05):
And they're selling it at that

Gizmo (59:05):
price too. Guess how guess how much this went for at
auction?

Bam Bam (59:08):
I'm gonna say 3,700,000.0.

Gizmo (59:09):
No. 1,700,000.0.

Bam Bam (59:10):
1 point 7.

Gizmo (59:11):
4 hundred and 50 5 Parthagas 455 Parthagas cigars
were included. Of course, theLegatos, the Odysseo Limitanas,
all the classic Partagas cigarswere in this, but that was that
was a beautiful, beautifulhumidor. Next up was the Romeo y
Julieta humidor coming with 425cigars, including a bunch of the

(59:35):
regular Vitolas and some specialstuff sold for 1,800,000.0. This
one's pretty cool. The design onit, there's like this wood inlay
that has two kind of kissingfaces

Bam Bam (59:46):
That's cool.

Gizmo (59:47):
Designed in it, you know, pretty wild.

Bam Bam (59:49):
What's the marker? Who who?

Gizmo (59:50):
This is Romeo.

Bam Bam (59:51):
Romeo. Got it. Yep.

Gizmo (59:52):
And then up next was the Monte Cristo humidor, which
people love, of course,celebrated by a big

Bam Bam (01:00:00):
yellow tower. That's a humidor?

Gizmo (01:00:02):
That's a humidor. Yeah. Wow. And it had Interesting.

Bam Bam (01:00:05):
Looks like a vase.

Gizmo (01:00:06):
470 Montecristos in it, including the a, which I
mentioned on the Wide Ed Lindoepisode that I smoked during the
Super Bowl, all the specialeditions, etcetera, went for 1.8
million Wow. Again, you know,you think about Monte Cristo, we
talked about the white Edmundo.Look at that. This introduction

(01:00:28):
of the yellow, the heavy yellow,like the white Edmundo's

Bam Bam (01:00:32):
really second yellow band.

Senator (01:00:33):
Why is there a Fleur de Lee at the top?

Gizmo (01:00:35):
I don't know. Interesting. I'm not sure about
that.

Bam Bam (01:00:38):
That's a good question.

Senator (01:00:40):
It's like a

Gizmo (01:00:40):
I'll email Habanos. I'll get back

Bam Bam (01:00:41):
to you It's

Senator (01:00:42):
like a Mardi Gras edition. I just don't get So

Gizmo (01:00:46):
there were two Cohiba humidors offered this year. One
was a regular kind of Cohibahumidor, which had the Taino
head on the top of it. Wow. Itwas pretty beautiful.

Bam Bam (01:00:57):
That's cool.

Gizmo (01:00:58):
Actually Gorgeous. Had the boxes that you would see on
the Cohiba band, the Bahikeband, etcetera. This humidor was
filled with 520 cigars,including a bunch of the
bijiques, no bijique 58, justthe regular sizes. They had the
Ambar, the Magistuosos,Novodosos, Talismans sold for
$3,300,000. Unbelievable.

(01:01:21):
I don't know what to say. It'scrazy. I mean, money it's like
money. It's like monopoly moneyat

Bam Bam (01:01:26):
this Well, we had the pleasure of sitting in our very
first trip during one of theseauctions. One sold for over
$4,000,000.

Gizmo (01:01:33):
It's crazy.

Bam Bam (01:01:34):
I'm sitting there. This man from China bids 4 and a half
million dollars on a box. Likeit's nothing.

Chef (01:01:41):
Right? A

Bam Bam (01:01:42):
mere bag of shells.

Gizmo (01:01:43):
Exactly. And

Senator (01:01:44):
Bam handed him a business

Bam Bam (01:01:45):
card. You better believe it.

Gizmo (01:01:49):
Alright. And, of course, that night, that Friday night at
the festival, they werecelebrating Behike. And the
final humidor was, for the firsttime, offered as just a Behike
humidor with the fifteen yearanniversary the fifteen year
anniversary

Senator (01:02:04):
of the Bahique

Gizmo (01:02:05):
logo all over it, and this featured 100 of each of the
Bahique sizes, including the new58, the 52, 50 four, 50 six, 50
eight. This cigar humidor

Chef (01:02:18):
5,000,000.

Gizmo (01:02:19):
With 400 cigars in it sold for $4,800,000.

Senator (01:02:24):
Bargain.

Gizmo (01:02:24):
Unbelievable. So I did the math on that. That averages
out to $12,000 per cigar. Wow.In the humidor.

Bam Bam (01:02:31):
I'd love to know who bought that.

Gizmo (01:02:32):
So the total proceeds were $17,000,000.

Chef (01:02:36):
And they all need a perfect drawer. Yeah.

Bam Bam (01:02:40):
You know, they could put that money to the power
grid.

Gizmo (01:02:44):
Thankfully, this argument No, all

Senator (01:02:45):
the money's going to the Cuban people.

Bam Bam (01:02:46):
Oh, sure.

Senator (01:02:47):
The healthcare system. Oh, yeah. All the bullshit they
say every

Gizmo (01:02:50):
Clean water. And I have to note this because I found it
interesting, but after theauction was done, Earth, Wind,
and Fire took the stage andplayed a set

Bam Bam (01:03:00):
Are you serious?

Gizmo (01:03:00):
At the gala dinner that day.

Bam Bam (01:03:02):
In Havana.

Gizmo (01:03:03):
In Havana. That's pretty cool. What? Pretty wild. Earth,
Wind, and Fire came out andplayed a little rock.

Senator (01:03:09):
Did they have, like, a musical act every year? Or

Gizmo (01:03:11):
It's never like a headliner like that where you'd
know the name. Normally, it'sCuban I'm actually very shocked.
I am too. I was surprised tohear that. I was surprised to
hear that.

Bam Bam (01:03:19):
Wow. Yeah. What I wonder what they got paid. Oh,
yeah.

Rooster (01:03:23):
Is this where they introduced the no. Introduced
the award for the Habanos Man ofthe Year?

Gizmo (01:03:28):
Yeah. It's called Habanos Hombre. Yes. Habanos Man. Yes.
Was Rooster nominated? There's acouple different categories.

Senator (01:03:35):
He won in the forties.

Bam Bam (01:03:36):
Well, he wants to know where he stands.

Gizmo (01:03:39):
Only I already won in the forties. The only one I know of,
the winner was in thecommunications category. Alex
Groom, of course, a friend ofmine and ours who runs Cupid
cigar website.

Senator (01:03:49):
Just please tell me that Kirby Allison lost again.

Gizmo (01:03:52):
He did not get nominated. Good. He'll get it next year.

Bam Bam (01:03:56):
I'm happy for Alex.

Gizmo (01:03:57):
Alex will probably get it in two years according to what
Alex was saying. But CigarDandy, who's an influencer
online on Instagram and whatnot,he's been nominated a few times.
He won this year, socongratulations to him.

Senator (01:04:09):
Alright. We we got a few years. We'll get ours.

Gizmo (01:04:11):
I wanted to may note a quick thing. So Alex Groom was
talking on FOH about beingnominated and not winning this
year and what not. And he wassaying that apparently when they
closed the old Partagas factory,which we've talked about several
times tonight, apparently theygot rid of all the old archives.
So when the people were youknow, the folks in in Tabakuba

(01:04:32):
or whoever is blending andmaking new cigars or reissues of
old cigars, they go back toCupid cigar website to find the
dimensions and whatnot of theold Nikola because they threw
away the old archives. That'swhat he learned.

Bam Bam (01:04:45):
Yeah. That's a bit of a disgrace.

Gizmo (01:04:47):
Yeah. And and for me, I question, like, the blending
information. The rest of forchef, the recipes of these old
cigars are clearly gone. Wow.

Bam Bam (01:04:59):
So my next d four suspect.

Gizmo (01:05:03):
Well, I would think would think it'd be the cigars that
were discontinued, not thecigars that are still available.
But still, it's pretty wild thatinstead of having their own
archives, they're going toCubancigarwebsite.com just like
we do every week here on the onthe podcast.

Chef (01:05:15):
It could be why all the new Cubans are smoking better as
of

Senator (01:05:18):
right now.

Gizmo (01:05:21):
They are smoking pretty good. All right, boys. Let's go
to some listener comments andemails. So Lizard Enrique always
writes us. He's a greatlistener.
He writes us all the time. Andhe he wrote it that the episode
where we talked about the SNL 50and my enjoyment of Cher on the
program. He said that the backhalf of this episode is the back

(01:05:45):
the backbone of the 2025 best ofepisode coming at the end of the
year.

Senator (01:05:50):
Thank you.

Gizmo (01:05:51):
Great stuff.

Rooster (01:05:51):
I don't

Gizmo (01:05:52):
know if any of that is gonna make the best of. We'll
see.

Senator (01:05:54):
I'm gonna learn how to edit. Correct. Just for that. We
might need a new editor.

Gizmo (01:06:02):
And he also said that a rooster comparing Grindr's
retainer to Bobby Bonilla'scontract had me howling. It was
a chef's kiss. A great episode.And finally, he shared a
screenshot of his order fromyourelegantbar.com, thanking
chef Ricky. He bought his tower?
He bought his exact tower,

Bam Bam (01:06:22):
the EB

Gizmo (01:06:23):
559 single door. And I've had a lot of listeners emailing,
asking for the link and theinformation about chef Ricky's
tower. So, of course, it's beena couple weeks now. I think we
need a tower update.

Chef (01:06:35):
Correct. It's going phenomenally well. I I I I've
I'm even filling the cigar oasisless now. I haven't added much
to the tower yet just because,you know, I've been pretty busy
lately.

Senator (01:06:48):
I do have We've heard that from Ben before.

Bam Bam (01:06:50):
Correct. I do have some tuning That's not a plausible
excuse any longer.

Senator (01:06:54):
Fool me once. You can't be fooled

Rooster (01:06:55):
again.

Gizmo (01:06:56):
I do have some fabric of fives coming. I'm just a great
representative. That's George W.Bush. Fool me once you can't get
fooled again.
Sorry. Go ahead.

Chef (01:07:09):
All good. All good. And I'm happy to report, I think
Lizard JP might be jumping onthe LL. No kidding. There we go.

Gizmo (01:07:16):
I gotta say, I remain really impressed with that tower
you bought. Just the design ofit. The product is The fan
system, the lights are just likemine. It's awesome. They're
vigilant.

Chef (01:07:28):
And the sale is still going.

Gizmo (01:07:29):
It's still $14.90 Yeah. $400 off. So I did get some
listener emails asking because,know, when you purchase it on
Your Elegant Bar, they'rerecommending their own. They
have like an auto checkbox inyour cart. When you add it to
the cart, it automatically addsa few other products.
They add one of their ownhumidification units. You want

(01:07:49):
to make sure you uncheck thatand you get a cigar oasis

Bam Bam (01:07:52):
Yeah, three point o.

Gizmo (01:07:53):
Magma three point o.

Bam Bam (01:07:54):
Correct.

Chef (01:07:54):
Very I told Lizard Enrique exactly what it was that I had.
I remember him asking me aboutthe Cigar Oasis as well. So
hopefully he took the adviceand.

Gizmo (01:08:05):
I'm sure he did. He sent me a screenshot, so I'm sure
he's going to have it- Awesome.

Chef (01:08:09):
Awesome.

Gizmo (01:08:09):
Very, very soon.

Rooster (01:08:10):
So that's pretty cool. When do we get the commission
check?

Senator (01:08:16):
Forget the commission check. We should just quit our
day jobs and start sellinghumidors.

Gizmo (01:08:19):
That's true.

Chef (01:08:20):
I might've told them, hey, if if you find a way to just
make sure you you try to mentionthe pod just in case, you know?

Gizmo (01:08:26):
Yeah. Let them know where you're coming from.

Chef (01:08:28):
Yeah. They they

Gizmo (01:08:28):
see a

Chef (01:08:29):
bunch of orders all of a sudden.

Rooster (01:08:30):
Know? I mean, we have somebody who could actually
build it.

Senator (01:08:33):
Yeah. That's right.

Gizmo (01:08:33):
Yeah. Only a hundred thousand bucks.

Senator (01:08:35):
Yeah. We'll be out of business in two days.

Bam Bam (01:08:36):
Four times the price.

Gizmo (01:08:42):
All right. And two nice comments on YouTube I really
liked that I wanted to share.First was from Lizard Arslan. He
said, hey, guys. I reallyappreciate you.
Thank you for your efforts. Andanother one from Lizard Steve
Cook said, hands down, one ofthe best cigars and spirits
podcasts out

Bam Bam (01:08:59):
there. Awesome.

Gizmo (01:09:00):
Thank you. Love seeing stuff like that. I agree.

Bam Bam (01:09:05):
Thanks, chef.

Chef (01:09:08):
Cigar spirits and food. Correct. This cigar is amazing.

Gizmo (01:09:15):
Yeah? I'm actually so pleasantly surprised right now.
I'll be honest with you guys. Myexpectation coming in after
having the Partagas Aliatos LCDHon the pod, a newer release,
hearing so many horror storiesabout this line and this cigar
on the Internet, I was very,very hesitant to come in here

(01:09:38):
with a new Partagas, and I mean,it's just unbelievable

Chef (01:09:42):
right I'm actually starting to come into a little
baking spice. I don't know ifanyone else is experiencing that
yet, but look out for it.Although it gives you further
along than I think any of usare.

Bam Bam (01:09:53):
Yeah. I'm actually pretty far along, but the aroma
on the foot of this cigar isreally still exquisite. Yeah.
It's fantastic.

Senator (01:10:00):
In the second third, it even picks up a little bit in
strength and in a really niceway.

Gizmo (01:10:05):
A touch.

Chef (01:10:06):
Yeah. And I don't think anyone's touched their cigar.

Gizmo (01:10:10):
There's not been a single lighter among the five of

Senator (01:10:12):
I have had to.

Gizmo (01:10:13):
Oh, you did? I

Bam Bam (01:10:14):
didn't see that.

Senator (01:10:14):
I had a weird thing, Giz is gonna hate when I say
this, but I'm just gonna say it.I had a weird thing about midway
through where

Rooster (01:10:25):
it could

Senator (01:10:25):
be the rapper or it it felt like the humidity was just
oddly different at a point thatit I had

Bam Bam (01:10:34):
control that, Giz.

Senator (01:10:35):
I'm not I'm not saying it. I just I knew he would take
it personally. That's why I wasworried to

Gizmo (01:10:40):
say Listen. I take this job very seriously.

Bam Bam (01:10:41):
I know you do.

Rooster (01:10:43):
Was there a little crack?

Senator (01:10:44):
No. No. No crack. It just for some reason, like, the
rapper felt wetter in themiddle, and I had to torch it to
kinda Mhmm. Burn through that,and now it's gone back to
normal.
Yeah. I'm perfect right

Bam Bam (01:10:58):
now. I had two very slight touch ups, but it's
because I probably hit a vein,and there was a high point. I
kinda like to keep ithorizontal.

Gizmo (01:11:07):
Too touchy.

Bam Bam (01:11:08):
No No. No vertical peaks in my cigar.

Gizmo (01:11:13):
Alright, boys. Time to go to another email. This one's
from Lizard Whelan. If youremember Lizard Whelan, he lives
in LA, had some issues with thefire, his collection, etcetera.
I think all worked out okay, buthe sent us another follow-up.
He says, Lizards, two quickitems today. First of all, thank
you for suggesting champagne asa pairing for cigars. I think
he's talking to us, Bam, you andI Correct. As far as introducing

(01:11:36):
champagne on the podcast. Nowsenator, take your flowers.
Congratulations.

Bam Bam (01:11:41):
Turn off his mic, will

Chef (01:11:41):
you? Just

Bam Bam (01:11:43):
for ten minutes.

Senator (01:11:43):
No. No. No. Congratulations, Gizen. Let

Bam Bam (01:11:48):
us have our glory.

Senator (01:11:50):
I love that Paul Roger you guys have.

Bam Bam (01:11:51):
Paul Roger, baby.

Gizmo (01:11:53):
Paul Roger, man. He says it's really quite fantastic. I
would like to hear some morebudget recommendations, however.
Hundred dollars for a bottle isnot realistic for many folks, at
least as a regular thing. Ofcourse, the Paul Roger is pretty
reasonably priced at aroundwhat?
50? 40 5 to 50. Yeah.

Chef (01:12:10):
Don't think senator does I don't think senator

Senator (01:12:13):
does fairness, most champagnes we've done have been
right around the $50 mark.

Bam Bam (01:12:18):
And they've all been delicious.

Gizmo (01:12:20):
And some of the ones that Lizard Whalen is referring to
are the vintage ones we've done,special releases, etcetera,
which we only will do on aspecial episode New Year's Eve,
some milestone number ofepisodes like episode 200 coming
up. We have a great champagnewe're going to do, you know, at
that point. But generally, ifwe're doing a champagne on the
pod, it's going to be a budget.Yeah. You know, kind of

(01:12:42):
reasonable champagne.
Now my question It's beaccessible. Yeah. It will be
easy to find, etcetera. Myquestion for you, senator, are
there $20 or $30 bottles ofBubblies?

Senator (01:12:53):
So I'll be very honest. There's there's not. I have
searched far and wide to try tofind, like, a sub $40 champagne
or sparkling of some kind that,like, really drinks above its
weight class. I haven't foundit. The thing I'll forever
regret, I found one bottle thatfits this bill perfectly.

(01:13:17):
Hasta Spomonti. Nailed it.

Bam Bam (01:13:22):
With a sugar cube.

Senator (01:13:25):
I was in I was in Paris on business. This was years ago.
And there's this really coolplace where I mean, you imagine,
you know, a place like Paris,there's so much fine dining, so
many nice restaurants, crazytasting menus,

Chef (01:13:38):
all that.

Senator (01:13:55):
But when I was in Paris, there was this place that
does this tasting menu, and it'slike a a training ground for
chefs. And instead of paying,like, $500 a person at some,
like, really crazy fancy, youknow, French restaurant with an
amazing tasting menu, this placegot, like, written up as, like,

(01:14:15):
amazing food in Paris.

Chef (01:14:17):
Wow.

Senator (01:14:18):
And they're all, like, very promising chefs in
training. So you're doing, like,a crazy tasting menu at, like,
half the cost. And I remembergoing, the meal was actually
really, really good. And we gota champagne that is not like
from any of the big champagnehouses. And I remember looking
this up that night because itwas so good, and I saw it was

(01:14:41):
like 30 something dollars.
And I had never come across anysparkling at that price point
that it drank like a $60 bottleof champagne, and I lost
whatever record I thought I waskeeping of what it was called.

Bam Bam (01:14:58):
Very unusual for him.

Gizmo (01:14:59):
Yeah. Not fastidious. No. No. Not fastidious.
No.

Rooster (01:15:03):
You remember the was it a restaurant?

Senator (01:15:05):
Yeah. Yeah. But the problem is, so like, it's
because it has these rotatingchefs that come through, the
menu changes. There's no ideawhere it menus change, like Wow.
Everything so quickly.
And it's like my biggest regretbecause if I could find that, I
would buy cases of it becausethe price point was so
spectacular. So I'll just throwout a challenge to listeners.

(01:15:28):
There are any listeners that,you know, really love champagne,
especially any listeners inEurope that have easier access
to like, you know, non massmarketed, you know, champagne
house type champagne that we gethere. I'd love for anyone to
write in with some, like, sub$45 recommendations. It's really

(01:15:49):
Wow.
Really hard.

Bam Bam (01:15:50):
Are there boutique champagne houses that produce at
a small batch at a lower

Senator (01:15:54):
price? That's the thing. Yeah.

Gizmo (01:15:56):
Yeah. But you can't get them here is what I'm saying, It

Senator (01:16:00):
would be hard, but I think there will be ways. Like
some of them I mean, with wine,it's so much easier. Right?
Wine, when you're anywhere,Europe, South America, you can
ship direct from whatevervineyard you're visiting. So,
like, if we could find a greatchampagne house, I have no
doubt.
If they'd already do it, we canhave it shipped, and even
honestly, a lot of these smalloperations, if I called, I'm

(01:16:21):
sure they would do it. You haveto pay a hefty price in the
shipping, but if you buy inbulk, it's worth it. It'd be
like, you know, it's soincremental once you hit a
certain point, but it's thehardest thing to find. I say
that because, you know, we havefound $20 bottles of red wine
that are satisfying white wine.Champagne is just like that one

(01:16:41):
outlier.
It's really, really difficult.

Bam Bam (01:16:44):
Yeah. And even if we were able to find something, the
accessibility of it would beimpossible.

Gizmo (01:16:50):
Yeah. For other listeners to Correct. Yeah. That's the
challenge. Yeah.
I mean,

Senator (01:16:54):
what what we will do eventually, and even this is
frustrating because there are alot of cavas that are from
Spain, sparkling wine, that arereally excessively priced, some
of which are very satisfying.There was a one of them years
ago. Now this is so massmarketed. They have totally
skimped on quality. But SeguraVitis, if you've ever had it, it

(01:17:16):
sounded like a zillion menus.
It's like a $10.12 dollar bottleof sparkling. Years ago when
someone first clued me intothis, it drank way above its
price point. It got so popularso fast, and there's no question
they've skimped on quality now.It's not the same experience,
but the point is every now andthen you can find some values.

(01:17:40):
It's just really hard to find.

Bam Bam (01:17:42):
You know, we haven't done a Prosecco.

Gizmo (01:17:44):
Actually, it's funny you just said that, Bam. Hold that
thought for a second becauseLizard Whalen continues. He
says, maybe you could alsoexpand to other bubbly options,
Prosecco, sparkling wine, whichSenator just mentioned. You
mentioned Prosecco, etcetera. Hesays, I hope you will consider
it.

Bam Bam (01:17:59):
The only problem that I have with Prosecco is Too sweet.
But it's also a little tooeffervescent. Sometimes I don't
enjoy Prosecco because it's justtoo bubbly. I don't know.

Senator (01:18:11):
Not all of them.

Bam Bam (01:18:12):
No. I would say this.

Senator (01:18:13):
I think we're more likely to find a sparkling that
drinks above its weight class inCava Mhmm. A Spanish sparkling
than we are in Prosecco. I wasin Italy last year, I mean,
drank plenty of Prosecco. Ididn't find anything that was
really that impressive, but it'sa good challenge. I'm gonna make
it my mission this year to divemore into Cabba and see if we

(01:18:35):
can find something.
Nice.

Gizmo (01:18:36):
And listen, we've found so many different types of
spirits, right, from listenerrecommendations in our own
discovery

Bam Bam (01:18:43):
Correct.

Gizmo (01:18:43):
That has totally changed, almost repivoted us in what
we're pairing with our cigars.You know, like, actually, we've
kind of come around now, Ithink, to single malts again
after we found the Glenfiddich12. I know Senator and I have
been drinking a lot of that.

Bam Bam (01:19:00):
That is incredible stuff.

Gizmo (01:19:01):
But that's the first time that we've kind of revisited
even single malts in a seriousway outside of the podcast. So
the other stuff has been fillingit up, the cognacs, the
armaignaks, the rums, etcetera.So I would love to find some
more bubbly options that aremore reasonably priced, as
Lizard Whalen's saying here.

Senator (01:19:21):
Okay. Sorry. Big moment on the cigar. I'm getting some
baking spice

Bam Bam (01:19:26):
Me too.

Senator (01:19:26):
And some cinnamon esque notes in the final third.

Gizmo (01:19:29):
Yep. Took them long enough.

Senator (01:19:31):
So there is some Partagas DNA here.

Gizmo (01:19:33):
I have not gotten cinnamon yet. And for the
listeners, we are in the finalthird here on the part against
Linea Maiestra

Bam Bam (01:19:39):
Hold up your cigar, Gus.

Gizmo (01:19:40):
In Rito.

Bam Bam (01:19:41):
Oh, you are way ahead of all of Yeah.

Senator (01:19:43):
Giz is out of control.

Gizmo (01:19:44):
Yep. I've slowed down, actually.

Chef (01:19:46):
I I I called that ten minutes ago.

Senator (01:19:49):
Like when he's like, I don't drive fast, and he's going
100 miles an hour down thehighway.

Bam Bam (01:19:53):
Caesar salad.

Gizmo (01:19:55):
This cigar is delicious, boys. The bacon spices coming
through now.

Bam Bam (01:19:58):
I am shocked at how well this is performing.
Shocked.

Senator (01:20:02):
It's a damn good cigar.

Bam Bam (01:20:03):
Yeah. And you know

Chef (01:20:04):
what? The the rum's even growing on me a little bit now.

Senator (01:20:06):
Me too. I agree. Yeah. I want another pour actually.

Gizmo (01:20:08):
Yeah. I'm enjoying it.

Chef (01:20:09):
Bam was right. It it kinda settled in a little So

Bam Bam (01:20:11):
sweetness dissipated. Right?

Gizmo (01:20:12):
Yeah. And I think as your palate adjusted Correct. It it
became more drinkable. It's just

Chef (01:20:17):
more balanced. Yeah, I'm getting less of the of cough
syrup astringency at the endthere, and it's

Bam Bam (01:20:23):
just Definitely take a refill.

Senator (01:20:25):
I also on the rum, has anyone else noticed, so when you
take a swig of the rum and it'sjust kinda sitting on your
palate, like you haven'tswallowed it yet, there's a
buttery, like a a velvetysmoothness. It's really Caramel
vanilla. But I don't meanflavor. It's like the texture

(01:20:46):
It's very buttery quality aboutit. You know, some

Bam Bam (01:20:50):
spirits, they're So what he's saying right now, that
experience pairs beautifullywith what the cigar is giving
us.

Chef (01:20:58):
I think the cigar has made its impact on the spirit now,
because that butteriness wasn'tthere

Rooster (01:21:04):
at all.

Senator (01:21:04):
No, no, I'll say this.

Bam Bam (01:21:05):
I think the spirit's standing on its own.

Senator (01:21:08):
No, I'll say this. I cheat almost every episode. I
take a little sip before we are

Gizmo (01:21:13):
supposed You know, I like the self accountability.

Senator (01:21:15):
I I hold myself accountable. There's nothing
wrong with it. Oh, yeah? I am.I'm fully admitting it.
I mean, had I not said it, noone would even know.

Gizmo (01:21:22):
But I see him do it every week, but he's counting.

Senator (01:21:27):
But I say that when I took a sip of this before having
even this cigar, that same it itlike it sits in this oddly
elegant way on your tongue. Iknow this sounds strange. There
are some spirits, like, you havethem, and if they're, like, hot
or they're really thin andthere's nothing to round out the

(01:21:49):
alcohol, it just it it's sharpin in kinda how it feels on your
palate. There's some spiritsthat, like, have this velvety
quality that the way they sit onyour palate, it's like it's like
floating there. I know thissounds so odd.
Think you makes sense.

Bam Bam (01:22:04):
I'm in lockstep with you. When it's on your tongue
before you swallow it it there'slike there's this there is a
buttery Buttery. Salty qualityto it, but it does kind of
linger there after you swallow.So the finish, we said earlier,
was very short. That experienceactually extends it.
I agree. Yeah. And you can getfucked up on this stuff.

Gizmo (01:22:27):
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. This could be a problem.
Especially at $32 a bottle.
Oh, oh, we're at the Bacardifactory. Correct. Where's our
drink ticket, senator? Correct.Alright, boys.
So Lizard Wayland continues herewith his second question. He
says, next, what is in youropinion the shortest amount of
time that you can smoke a cigarthat you have received via post?

(01:22:51):
So the cigar shows up, you know,at your door. What is the
shortest length of time that yousmoke? It's rooster actually
walks out to the UPS truck andtakes the box and opens it

Bam Bam (01:23:03):
Lice it right away.

Gizmo (01:23:03):
Yeah. Exactly.

Rooster (01:23:04):
Well, I have the UPS guy actually open the box for
me, and then we light ittogether.

Bam Bam (01:23:08):
Oh, nice. Very generous.

Gizmo (01:23:09):
Yeah. Very generous.

Rooster (01:23:11):
So I think on a new world cigar, you can pretty much
sometimes I mean, if you feelthe cigar, it's not spongy, you
can go for it.

Chef (01:23:20):
Yeah. I'd like to wait a couple weeks.

Senator (01:23:24):
No. Go ahead, senator. I mean, I'll say this. I think
some new world cigars, you cando what Rooster's describing.
Especially Padrons.
I think particular well, that'swhere I'm going. So I think new
world cigars with a thickwrapper, you can do that with.

Bam Bam (01:23:41):
Mhmm.

Senator (01:23:42):
Like Padron, those are thick wrappers. You drop a
Padron on the floor, it's notgonna crack. You can smoke one
right out of the box. Totally.Yeah.
I think a New World cigar with athinner wrapper, it just absorbs
that moisture so much more. It'sreally hard to smoke that. I say
this like a great example. SomeDunbarton cigars, like Saka
stuff that I've bought, thewrappers are definitely not

(01:24:05):
Padron level thick. And I havefound with those cigars, I have
to rest them and bring them downto the right humidity to smoke.

Bam Bam (01:24:13):
Even the Cincon Promise, you think, is a little
thinner?

Senator (01:24:15):
I haven't bought that myself, so I'm not sure with
that cigar.

Rooster (01:24:18):
Yeah. Been talking about the creme brulee.

Senator (01:24:20):
Absolutely. The creme brulee and even the regular
Sobremesa, both of those needtime.

Gizmo (01:24:25):
Yeah.

Senator (01:24:26):
So for me, it's the thickness of the wrapper that
really determines it, and anyCuban cigar, you cannot I

Gizmo (01:24:32):
would argue Honduran as well, including the Aladino we
love and of course Fabrica five.When I get those in, I do let
them rest a little while andcome down in humidity because
for me, it's not just aperformance thing, it's a flavor
thing.

Bam Bam (01:24:45):
Got a question for senator. Go ahead. I got my
first Trinity Robusto from him.So that one I smoked. How long
did you keep that

Senator (01:24:52):
before that a while. Months? That was probably two
months. Yeah. But I'll say this.
No. Hang on. Hang on.

Gizmo (01:25:00):
But he's been smoking them for a while.

Senator (01:25:01):
Yeah. You don't have to you don't have to keep them two
months in order to start smokingthem.

Chef (01:25:06):
Mhmm.

Senator (01:25:06):
My experience with really anything fabric of five
I've bought has been two weeks.It needs to be like Acclimated.
Acclimated and ready to smoke,and it just gets better and
better as it sits.

Bam Bam (01:25:18):
Yeah. Okay.

Rooster (01:25:19):
I mean, does it matter if it's if you're getting it
during the summer months asopposed to winter months?

Senator (01:25:25):
Well, that for sure definitely impacts it.

Gizmo (01:25:27):
Yeah. Mean, especially if you order later in the week and
it's sitting at a UPS facilityoutside in the back of a truck
Yeah. Over the weekend in theheat, etcetera, I mean, that
stuff is going to affect it. Soacclimation is really important
when

Bam Bam (01:25:40):
you get your I will early on in our collection
activities years ago, whenever Iwould get a box, I would pull a
rooster, and I would take oneright out and try it and see
what it's like. But these days,because we have so much to
choose from now, I'll just getthe box and put it right in the
tower and just leave it there.

Rooster (01:25:57):
I take offense to

Chef (01:25:58):
that. I think it depends on the online vendor too,
because some vendors, it seemslike it takes a lot longer to
get your cigars after an orderthan some Yeah. Know, Highline
cigars always takes, you know, aweek or two, maybe sometimes a
little bit longer.

Gizmo (01:26:15):
And Atlantic is like the next day.

Chef (01:26:16):
Atlantic is, yeah, two days you have your sticks.

Gizmo (01:26:19):
I placed an order on Fabrica five today. I got a
shipping notification with thetracking number within like two
hours, just like Atlantic.

Bam Bam (01:26:25):
Yeah. I think we're saying the same thing. Overall,
when you buy a new box ofcigars, you let it acclimate
like Senator said. Keep it inyour tower for two weeks, maybe
try one. Then

Gizmo (01:26:35):
Yeah. And he's gonna ask something that's gonna sound
redundant, but for me, theanswer is actually really
important here. So he says, doesthis time frame differ between
Cubans and non Cubans? Anysuggestions for getting a cigar
to the ideal smokeable state inthe shortest amount of time? So
for me, as far as Cubans versusNew Worlds, Cubans, I think the

(01:26:58):
acclamation is absolutelyrequired.
I would probably put Hondurancigars right next to that. Mhmm.
Just in their makeup and and intheir DNA, I think coming down
in humidity from whereverthey're at when you get them is
really important.

Bam Bam (01:27:11):
Yeah.

Gizmo (01:27:12):
Non Cubans or Padrons, Davidoffs, etcetera, the
Dunbartons, to me, it's aboutflavor.

Bam Bam (01:27:18):
Mhmm.

Gizmo (01:27:19):
So if you're a smoker who, you know, appreciates your
Padrons, your Dominicans, yourNicaraguans at a higher
humidity, 65 to 67, even to 70,then it's not going to matter to
you. Me, I prefer my stuff to bekind of low to mid sixties
generally, including my padrons,my Dominicans, Nicaraguans. So

(01:27:40):
I'm going to wait a littlelonger before I You'll keep them
in your personal Exactly. But Ithink Cubans, I think, is
universal for everyone. Theyneed as much rest as you can
give them.

Senator (01:27:51):
Mhmm.

Chef (01:27:51):
Now, Giz, when do you how do you determine when to do the
freezer protocol versus not?

Gizmo (01:27:56):
The freezer protocol, I only do when I get a box of
Cuban cigars or if I'm if I comeback from Cuba with cigars that
I've been gifted. Anytime that acigar has not gone through the
Habanos distribution network andyou purchase it from a retailer,
you have to freeze them. So thenumber one tell for Cuban cigar

(01:28:17):
boxes is if they have a MINSAPhealth label, which is the Cuban
health label. That's the biggestindicator on an authentic box of
Cuban cigars that they've notbeen frozen. And then anything
that's coming off the island,not having a band on it, you're
bringing home yourself, needs tobe frozen.
They've not gone through aHabanos protocol. Like anything

(01:28:38):
you're buying from FOH, from Rob

Bam Bam (01:28:40):
I just learned something.

Gizmo (01:28:41):
IHavannas, etcetera, don't need to be frozen, but
anything coming directly fromthe island, including anything
you buy in Cuban shops that hasa MINSAP label on it, does need
to be frozen.

Bam Bam (01:28:51):
Really?

Senator (01:28:51):
And for the listener, that's to kill beetles.

Gizmo (01:28:53):
That's to

Bam Bam (01:28:54):
kill beetles. MINSAP label.

Gizmo (01:28:56):
Can you kick an eye? MINSAP, m I n s a p, is the
Cuban health warning sticker.That's the tell on a Cuban box
of cigars.

Bam Bam (01:29:03):
You've gotta put

Gizmo (01:29:04):
in through the protocol. You gotta freeze it.

Bam Bam (01:29:06):
I had that's news to me. I just learned something
tonight.

Chef (01:29:09):
Can I get loser to the week for that?

Bam Bam (01:29:11):
I didn't know that. Yeah. I would like a

Senator (01:29:14):
hoodie. Yeah. I need a new one.

Gizmo (01:29:19):
So his question about any suggestions for getting a cigar
to the ideal smokable state inthe shortest amount of time? I
have one answer to this, whichmay be controversial in the
room.

Bam Bam (01:29:30):
Oh boy.

Senator (01:29:32):
I Don't break out

Gizmo (01:29:33):
of No, it's not catty litter. It's not kitty litter,
stop. Anytime I have a cigarthat I want to acclimate faster,
I will cut the head of thecigar, and I will put it back in
my tower. And I'm thinking, thisis not scientific, this is Gizmo
logic. I'm thinking that asopposed to the error only being

(01:29:54):
able to enter from one end,enters from both ends, I have
found that it actually worksquite a bit just slicing the
head of the cigar as opposed todoing it here.

Bam Bam (01:30:03):
Probably wouldn't do that, but Why? I don't know.

Rooster (01:30:07):
Cut the head off the cigar?

Senator (01:30:10):
You've completely destroyed

Chef (01:30:13):
I mean That cigar is not pod worthy.

Senator (01:30:16):
Sit down.

Chef (01:30:17):
So you can't do the cut of

Senator (01:30:18):
the cigar. The cut light. Light the cigar. Correct.

Gizmo (01:30:21):
Actually, I'll argue. Sometimes when I have a Cupid
cigar that I know I wanna smokethat night, I'll cut it before I
leave because I wanna check thedraw because I'm not gonna sit
in this lounge and be throwing aperfect draw into it. Okay? I
need When I come here to smoke,podcast aside, obviously we cut
together on the We all have theauthentic experience. But when I
sit down in there, if I pull acigar out, I cut that head and

(01:30:43):
it doesn't draw well, it goesback in the tower and I grab a
different one.

Bam Bam (01:30:47):
Oh, wow.

Gizmo (01:30:48):
I do not mess around with cigars that don't draw when I
come here to relax. I just don'tdo it.

Rooster (01:30:53):
I have never done that. No. And nor will I ever.

Senator (01:30:58):
I I'm serious about the ritual piece. You want to sit
down and

Bam Bam (01:31:02):
cut

Gizmo (01:31:02):
the Yeah. It's

Rooster (01:31:03):
an experience. I mean, want to sit down, you to cut the
head off. And how many times, Imean, do you really get that
many plugged cigars these days?

Gizmo (01:31:12):
Sometimes you get a draw that has that's a little tighter
than you want it to be.

Bam Bam (01:31:16):
For me, it's been pretty it's pretty rare to get a
really plugged even a Cubancigar these days

Senator (01:31:20):
with these.

Rooster (01:31:21):
No. Yeah.

Gizmo (01:31:22):
I'm not saying plugged. I'm saying a little tighter than
I like. And what's funny aboutmy experiment here, boys, is
when I've done that and I putthat cigar back in, I go back to
that cigar a month or two later,the draw's perfect. Yeah. I'm
sure.
Because it's acclimated

Bam Bam (01:31:33):
a Oh, it's because you've opened both ends.

Gizmo (01:31:35):
Exactly. I understand. I'll

Senator (01:31:36):
also say this though. I have never encountered a time
where looking at the foot of thecigar, I couldn't accurately
tell whether it was gonna drawgreat or not.

Bam Bam (01:31:45):
Every time. That's a telltale sign.

Senator (01:31:47):
Any Cuban cigar, when I pick it up in my tower, I look
at the foot, and I know eitherfrom the foot, there's so many
air pockets that it's gonna drawbeautifully every time that ends
up being the case. And the onesthat are not, you know it when
you see

Bam Bam (01:32:01):
it. Yeah. So for the listener, that's a good point.
Look at the foot of the cigarand see how densely packed it
is. Right?
It's one sign.

Gizmo (01:32:08):
Like here's an example. Tonight, I brought 10 Linea
Maestro Ritos for the five ofus.

Bam Bam (01:32:15):
We got lucky because they're all beautifully But

Gizmo (01:32:17):
it also, it isn't luck is that every person in room
inspected the 10 cigars andchose the one they wanted with
that assumption that Senatorjust made in That's true.
Obviously, I didn't cut any ofthe heads of these like, yeah,

Rooster (01:32:29):
good thing you didn't.

Gizmo (01:32:31):
I actually tested all the draws too. Right, Rooster.

Rooster (01:32:34):
We learn something new every day.

Bam Bam (01:32:36):
So one thing I will say, Lizard Henry handed me Sig
five. He had a fresh one, and Ihad one that I've had for, like,
one of the early original ordersthat we placed. So he look. He
said, Bam, do you have an a acig that you can trade me? I
wanna smoke one, but the one Ihave is a little too moist.
There's too much humidity. Sure.Here. We just traded. I took

(01:32:57):
that cigar, and I put it on mydesk for two weeks.
After two weeks, honestly, itfelt acclimated. It felt like it
was a lower humidity range. Ididn't do anything with that.
Just left it on my desk. Yep.
I haven't smoked it yet, but Iwill probably smoke it next
week.

Senator (01:33:12):
That's a long time to dry box.

Bam Bam (01:33:14):
Yeah. It just it just it was really, really soft.

Rooster (01:33:17):
It's very dry these

Bam Bam (01:33:18):
days. Was it was very soft. Two weeks. Yeah. It was
there for two weeks.
Honestly, it's still intact. Thewrappers, there's no seam
separation.

Senator (01:33:25):
Oh, know. Once

Gizmo (01:33:26):
you that I'm curious what your experience is, no,

Senator (01:33:27):
no. It's gonna blow

Bam Bam (01:33:28):
I don't think so. Feel, because it was so overly moist,
I think you have to do that fromtime to time. That's one way

Gizmo (01:33:36):
of I would say a couple

Rooster (01:33:37):
of days.

Bam Bam (01:33:38):
Yeah, no. Just left, you know, did forget about it,
but I left it there.

Gizmo (01:33:43):
Self accountability.

Bam Bam (01:33:45):
No. No. I saw I I took it and I put it back in my tower
after the two weeks sitting onmy desk.

Senator (01:33:50):
Keep it in the tower for another two weeks.

Bam Bam (01:33:52):
Yeah. I don't know. I'm I'm gonna try it next week.
We'll see what it's like. Butthe whole dry boxing thing,
there's a lot of merit to that.
Absolutely there is.

Gizmo (01:33:58):
Yes. It's very And that was gonna be my final comment as
far as accelerating or movingthe cigar from a humid situation
to acclimated, ready to smoke,whatever you call it. Dry boxing
is really important. Absolutely.And it's important to note for
folks out there, depending onthe humidity inside your home or
your office, wherever you'redoing this, it's important to

(01:34:20):
understand that if you have highhumidity ambient in the
summertime when it's warm, dryboxing is not effective.
You need to use a ziplock with alower RH bovada.

Bam Bam (01:34:30):
Correct.

Gizmo (01:34:30):
Now for us To

Bam Bam (01:34:31):
bring it down.

Gizmo (01:34:32):
We're in the winter coming into spring now in The US
here, so our humidity is stillpretty low. But to do that, what
Bam is talking about, for him todo that in the July here in The
US, it'd be it'd have theopposite.

Bam Bam (01:34:43):
It wouldn't be possible.

Gizmo (01:34:44):
It'd have the opposite.

Bam Bam (01:34:45):
Correct. Correct. Exactly.

Rooster (01:34:46):
And please don't cut your heads off.

Gizmo (01:34:48):
I'm telling you, any listener should try that and
tell him what he's you, man.That's absurd. I would love

Senator (01:34:53):
to hear this.

Rooster (01:34:54):
That's crazy.

Chef (01:34:55):
Done it we've done it all in this pub.

Gizmo (01:34:57):
We've done

Chef (01:34:57):
it all. Heads, water. Water. Yeah. Yeah.

Gizmo (01:35:00):
Water boarded. Keep going.

Bam Bam (01:35:01):
Yeah. You know, we haven't done the pour in the
water over the cigar thing in awhile. That hasn't happened in a
while.

Rooster (01:35:07):
Yeah. I guess we've tried that.

Bam Bam (01:35:08):
We all with the head on No. We've done it, and

Senator (01:35:10):
we liked it. Who has anyone still not tried it?

Bam Bam (01:35:13):
I've tried it.

Gizmo (01:35:14):
I've it once. I've tried it.

Bam Bam (01:35:15):
Okay. Think it was great.

Senator (01:35:16):
We've all tried it.

Bam Bam (01:35:17):
It was great.

Gizmo (01:35:18):
It didn't change my life, but it was okay.

Bam Bam (01:35:20):
It was it was interesting.

Gizmo (01:35:21):
Alright. So one more question from Lizard Whelan
here. Do you guys use RH probesfor cigars? He's only allowed
two questions. Like theCigarMedix like the CigarMedix
Humidimeter Pro, which is adigital probe.
Mhmm. It has two probes on it.You put it in the foot of the
cigar or in the head of thecigar, whichever you choose or
both, and read the humidity. Ihave one. It was gifted to me,

(01:35:45):
actually by chef Ricky, Ibelieve, gifted that to me quite
some time ago.
So I use it as a light referencetool. It's not scientific. It's
not a Sir, rooster's eyebrow.Accurate at all. Just

Senator (01:35:56):
went off his I missed that.

Gizmo (01:36:00):
Are you being negative?

Bam Bam (01:36:01):
Carry on. Negative.

Rooster (01:36:04):
Carry on, your head cutter.

Gizmo (01:36:07):
So I use it as maybe a reference point to kinda get a
read on it, but I don't use itreligiously. Does it does
anybody else have any of those?

Rooster (01:36:13):
No. No. They're

Chef (01:36:15):
ridiculous. I I have one. I don't use it often.

Bam Bam (01:36:17):
You know, the feel in your hand as you roll it

Gizmo (01:36:19):
in That's what it's

Bam Bam (01:36:20):
all about. Yeah. That's that's really what matters.

Gizmo (01:36:22):
Exactly right. Alright, boys. One more listener email.
And, this is a comment on FOH Ireally liked. And Greg here,
GP012 is gonna be our lizard ofthe week.
And he asks a great questiontonight and sets it up like
this. It sounds like chef Rickyneeds some assistance in filling
his new tower. In the spirit ofall the generous content he's

(01:36:45):
added to the podcast

Bam Bam (01:36:46):
I'm not giving you any boxes.

Gizmo (01:36:49):
Tequila and mezcal deep dives, tower status updates,
etcetera. Why don't the otherlizards help him?

Senator (01:36:56):
Like, each

Gizmo (01:36:57):
selling him a box of regular production.

Senator (01:36:59):
Oh, of course.

Bam Bam (01:37:00):
Today's rates is no problem.

Gizmo (01:37:02):
Done. Regular production Cupid staples at their pre price
hike cost. What better way

Rooster (01:37:10):
to help sorry. He's not the lizard of the

Bam Bam (01:37:12):
week. No.

Gizmo (01:37:14):
What better way to help his Cupid cigar journey just
like he did with tequila for thelizards?

Senator (01:37:19):
Okay. Notice how earlier, For the for the record
Can I be lizard of the week?This sounds like he wrote this
email.

Bam Bam (01:37:27):
Oh, I think he did.

Gizmo (01:37:29):
He might be lizard Greg.

Bam Bam (01:37:30):
Senator's got a point. He's got a point.

Gizmo (01:37:31):
That's true. That's true. And more seriously, and this is
really what I I liked aboutGreg's question here because
this is this is a great questionand I think will be a very
helpful commentary for ourlisteners. I'm very interested
to hear the lizard's take onselling cigars amongst friends.
Obviously, are differentsituations.
A box of recently boxed Partagasd fours versus the unobtainium

(01:37:54):
Vegas Romania classicos would betreated differently. But what is
your rule of thumb? Cost? Costplus plus or current market rate
with a small friends and familydiscount? How does the increase
in pricing from Habanos alongwith the rise of Bond Roberts
and other online venues and theresulting exponential increases

(01:38:15):
in value affect your thinking ontransacting with friends?

Bam Bam (01:38:19):
So I've bought cigars from you. Yes. Yep. I don't know
what I paid, but I'm assumingthey're current market rate.

Gizmo (01:38:25):
No. Anything that I generally transact with any of
you guys or my friends, I'mtransacting at what I

Bam Bam (01:38:31):
paid. Okay.

Gizmo (01:38:32):
Or at a replacement value. So as an example, I've
done a few transactions insidethis inside our crew here where
somebody needed a box of cigarsand then I looked at the
replacement cost because I wasgonna buy them and we talked
about that and that's how we didit.

Bam Bam (01:38:46):
Right.

Gizmo (01:38:47):
But anytime, as an example, we did this Cohiba cigu
six here on the pod a coupleweeks ago. I got those cigars
for 50 or $60. They're currentlyselling for a hundred and 10.
I'm not going to mark those up

Bam Bam (01:38:58):
nearly double to my No, they sell us one or two. I
bought one from you at what youpaid.

Gizmo (01:39:03):
And I'm gonna sell that to my You're very

Bam Bam (01:39:04):
generous, by way.

Gizmo (01:39:05):
I don't consider it that. Like there's no reason for me to
profit on that with my friends.That's true. That's Now, if I'm
going to Bond Roberts, I'm goingto charge market value. If I'm
on a group or something whereI'm transacting to non friends,
it's gonna be market value.
So that's my position. Where areyou guys at on this?

Rooster (01:39:23):
Depends on

Gizmo (01:39:24):
the friend. Yeah. Alright. So let's say it's Bam
Bam. What would you do?
And then me Double.

Rooster (01:39:29):
Double. Triple.

Chef (01:39:31):
I'm all for reciprocating tariffs.

Bam Bam (01:39:33):
Don't mention tariffs. Don't mention tariffs.

Chef (01:39:38):
It it all depends on how I've been treated by that
friend. But no, I'd say amongstthis group, everyone has been
beyond generous with me. Youknow, every every amazing Cuban
I've had was gifted to me beforeI've ever bought any. And yeah,
Gaz is always extremelyforthcoming with what he has and

(01:39:59):
encouraging me to purchaseothers and, you know, even even
use his stash to buy from andwhatnot. So yeah, I think
replacement value is importantand who you're selling to.
And obviously if you're going toa marketing site, a market site
like Bon Roberts or whatever isout there, then yeah, I mean,
that's different.

Bam Bam (01:40:20):
My only experience in buying Among Us was honestly
from you, Giz. I've bought acouple boxes from you. Hello?
Did I

Senator (01:40:27):
ever I

Bam Bam (01:40:28):
bought a box from you?

Rooster (01:40:29):
I sold you a box of the Oh, you sure did.

Senator (01:40:31):
That then he resold at a profit. Yes. Mean Why do I
dump his side?

Bam Bam (01:40:36):
Through Giz. Jesus Christ.

Senator (01:40:39):
Can we just set this up for the listener?

Gizmo (01:40:41):
Yes. Can I can

Senator (01:40:42):
Can I set

Gizmo (01:40:42):
this up? Can I can I beg your I don't know why you did my
start?

Senator (01:40:45):
Please tell the story, mister.

Bam Bam (01:40:46):
No. That has I

Rooster (01:40:47):
sold you box.

Bam Bam (01:40:48):
Transacted yet, by way.

Rooster (01:40:50):
Be quiet for a second. Yes. I sold you a box of the
Fundies for The TrinidadFundadores. Six hundred and
eighty five dollars. Wow.

Bam Bam (01:40:59):
I don't even remember that, but they're

Rooster (01:41:00):
I remember. They're double now. Receipts.

Gizmo (01:41:02):
Triple buzz. I remember. And then

Rooster (01:41:05):
and then I don't know what happened. You sold them to
Giz?

Bam Bam (01:41:08):
No. I did not sell them to Giz. Giz is my agent.

Rooster (01:41:11):
Giz is you sold that box?

Bam Bam (01:41:14):
We will be selling.

Rooster (01:41:15):
I'm gonna buy that.

Gizmo (01:41:16):
He's asked me to place it on Bond Roberts, and I'm
targeting a 2,000 ish dollar Ohmy

Rooster (01:41:21):
god. Market price

Bam Bam (01:41:22):
on As a start.

Gizmo (01:41:24):
As a start.

Bam Bam (01:41:26):
Whatever whatever the market commands.

Senator (01:41:28):
Lizard nation has to chime in on this because I'm
sorry.

Bam Bam (01:41:32):
I don't know.

Senator (01:41:33):
To buy a box from one of your own lizards.

Bam Bam (01:41:37):
If you want the fundies back, I'll give it to you for
what you sold it to me for.

Gizmo (01:41:40):
Okay. Alright.

Senator (01:41:41):
Should be the case. Now what if

Bam Bam (01:41:43):
you go No problem.

Senator (01:41:44):
No problem. He sourced them.

Bam Bam (01:41:45):
No problem. Going to open market. That's the And

Gizmo (01:41:48):
I would argue there is a statute of limitations here.
Yeah. I'm I'm defending Yes.Seven years. It's like seven in,
like, three years since hebought that box from Rooster.

Bam Bam (01:41:58):
Three and a half.

Gizmo (01:41:59):
Three and a half.

Chef (01:41:59):
So it's aged.

Gizmo (01:42:00):
So it it has a little more rest on it. So the market
value has gone up. It's true.And, also, he's not gonna smoke
those cigars if he buys themfrom you. He's probably gonna
transact.
No. I don't I don't have anyfundings.

Bam Bam (01:42:11):
A known transactor.

Rooster (01:42:12):
I don't have any fundings.

Bam Bam (01:42:13):
You're a known seller. What? You're a fucking retailer
at this point with what you havein your collection.

Chef (01:42:21):
Rooster's pissed. Yeah. I mean, guess.

Senator (01:42:23):
I mean,

Gizmo (01:42:24):
who side are you on? I am. I guess you're I'm taking
this

Senator (01:42:27):
is a breach of protocol. You got to speak out
of Stop it.

Gizmo (01:42:30):
By the way,

Senator (01:42:30):
hold on. Hold on.

Bam Bam (01:42:32):
When you guys were all selling the What? The oil double
coronas.

Senator (01:42:38):
Not to each other.

Bam Bam (01:42:39):
Why? But you're selling market. That's what I'm doing.
I'm selling

Senator (01:42:41):
to No. Because we didn't buy those from each
other.

Rooster (01:42:44):
I sold you that box.

Bam Bam (01:42:45):
I'm not. Oh, so I'm not. Okay. I'm not allowed to
sell that box to the openmarket. Can I put my hand up
here?

Senator (01:42:51):
You're not. You're not. You're categorically not.

Bam Bam (01:42:54):
What is going on in this room?

Gizmo (01:42:55):
Can I put my hand up here?

Bam Bam (01:42:56):
Are we in a democracy?

Senator (01:42:57):
All right. Please make

Bam Bam (01:42:58):
this good

Senator (01:42:59):
because I'm worried this

Gizmo (01:43:00):
not gonna help this Dead serious for how hilarious this
conversation is. The box thatyou're selling Yeah. Is not a
box you bought from Rooster.It's actually a box you bought
from Correct. And I didn't sellit

Bam Bam (01:43:13):
to I'm smoking through your box still.

Gizmo (01:43:15):
This is true. The box you're actually selling is a box
that I procured on a retail siteat cost for you when I purchased
my own.

Bam Bam (01:43:23):
Yes.

Gizmo (01:43:24):
And you paid me for them at that point.

Bam Bam (01:43:25):
And I bought your box.

Senator (01:43:26):
But it doesn't change

Bam Bam (01:43:27):
the I bought was in the Senator's Lounge Years and years
ago. Yeah. I still have that.

Gizmo (01:43:34):
He's actually not selling your box.

Bam Bam (01:43:35):
I'm halfway through that box.

Senator (01:43:36):
That's good, but it doesn't change the point. Look.
I'm sorry. My philosophy is verysimple on this. I agree when we
started this conversation withwhat Gizmo said.
Generally speaking, if I wasselling to a friend, especially
a lizard, it would be at what Ipay

Gizmo (01:43:49):
for, not at Yes.

Senator (01:43:50):
So I agree with that. The only exception to that rule
is

Rooster (01:43:55):
I should have a right of first Well,

Senator (01:43:57):
hang on. I'm gonna get there. I'm gonna get there.
First, I'm gonna start general,and then believe me, I'm I'm
siding with you a % on this.

Gizmo (01:44:03):
Thank you.

Bam Bam (01:44:03):
So He's just gonna sell them on the open market. No. No.
No.

Senator (01:44:05):
He has the right to. He fucking sourced it if it's his
box.

Bam Bam (01:44:09):
I don't

Senator (01:44:09):
buy it. Hang on. Hang on. And and the only instances
that I end up selling stuff to,like, fellow lizards, it's like
a cigar that they love Yes. Andhave to have and they're out of.

Gizmo (01:44:19):
It's desperation.

Senator (01:44:20):
So, like, Pagoda is a great example. The Davinoff
what's it called he loves? TheDavinoff.

Bam Bam (01:44:26):
Dominikana. Dominikana.

Senator (01:44:27):
So the Davinoff Dominikana. That is one of
Pagoda's all time favoritecigars.

Bam Bam (01:44:31):
The Robusto. Correct.

Senator (01:44:33):
I really like that cigar, but am I in love with it
the way he is known? No oneloves that cigar more than
Pagoda. That's true. And so thecigar was discontinued. There is
no more in production.
You can't find them anywhere,and he was so sad about it.
Well, Rooster knows about that.Tower. Well, he eventually was
able to source more, and hehelped him out. And Pagoda would
never dare

Gizmo (01:44:52):
buy them from Rooster

Senator (01:44:54):
at what he paid and then resell them for a profit.
He would never do that. And so Iwent in my tower. I looked. I
had maybe twenty, twenty five ofthem left, and I sold them all
to Pagoda at what I paid, whichwas actually a good deal.
It's definitely more right now.That's fine. Because I know he
loves that cigar. Now the onlyexception to the rule is, like,
if it's a cigar that I'mobsessed with, and someone's

(01:45:15):
asking me, they desperately needsome, but, like, I'm gonna need
to immediately replace itbecause I it's like a d four. If
I paid $12 for a d four andsomeone is begging me for them
and I'm willing to sell it, it'sgotta be at market value because
I need to immediately replaceit.
Exactly. Correct. Live withoutthe cigar. Correct?

Bam Bam (01:45:33):
I agree

Gizmo (01:45:33):
with that.

Senator (01:45:33):
So that's the exception to the rule. Fine.

Bam Bam (01:45:35):
So far, I'm in agreement.

Senator (01:45:36):
Yes. Now on the boxing, I'm sorry. All of this is
predicated on this. These arecigars that the individual that
you're selling it to, yourfriend, loves and wants to
consume. If they don't wannasmoke the cigar, they shouldn't
buy it.
And if you don't wanna smoke thecigar, you bought it. You have
the right to resell it at aprofit.

Bam Bam (01:45:55):
And that's what we're doing.

Gizmo (01:45:56):
And that's what we're doing.

Senator (01:45:57):
No. Yes. That's what he's

Rooster (01:45:58):
No. That's not what

Gizmo (01:45:59):
he's No.

Senator (01:45:59):
No. No. No. Let me be clear, and then please respond.

Bam Bam (01:46:02):
Are you truly obsessed with that cigar rooster?

Senator (01:46:04):
Gizmo set it's no. It's not a Balfeish. He doesn't have
to be obsessed with it. Hebought it.

Gizmo (01:46:09):
Alright. Go ahead.

Senator (01:46:09):
I've bought cigars. Like, some of them I couldn't
care less about, and Gizmograciously has sold them for me.
Like, I'm the purchaser.

Bam Bam (01:46:16):
I can do it if want with it. I don't like the
direction. Hold on. Alright.

Rooster (01:46:19):
Go ahead.

Gizmo (01:46:19):
I'll respond for you.

Senator (01:46:20):
If this is Gizmo's box that he bought at 600 and
something dollars

Gizmo (01:46:24):
It wasn't that cheap, but go ahead.

Senator (01:46:25):
Even if it's significantly cheaper than
market value. And if Bam isasking for you you for it,
presumably, he really wants tosmoke that cigar. He's gotta
have that cigar. Otherwise, justbuy it on the open market. And
you sell it to him at what youpaid, and if he's gonna resell
that himself and take theprofit, you should take the
profit

Chef (01:46:44):
on it.

Gizmo (01:46:45):
So Really? Exactly what happened.

Senator (01:46:46):
Real that's to you?

Gizmo (01:46:48):
I don't I don't hold on. I don't disagree with what
you're saying, but that's not

Senator (01:46:51):
what happened. Me right now saying to Gizmo, hey, Giz.
Can I have a box of Cohibas youbought four years ago at half
the price it is now? And he saysyes, And then I myself

Bam Bam (01:47:00):
Turn around.

Senator (01:47:00):
Someone sell it at a profit, I keep that money.
That's outrageous.

Gizmo (01:47:04):
Let me lay out how the box

Senator (01:47:06):
I wouldn't speak to someone again if they did that.

Rooster (01:47:07):
Yeah. I'm not

Bam Bam (01:47:08):
I'm no longer

Gizmo (01:47:09):
Bam, hold on. Go ahead. The the the box that we are
transacting, here's how it went.I was purchasing a box of
Trinidad Fundadores at aretailer.

Senator (01:47:17):
Can we just use my example? I'm just curious. So do
you think my example would beokay to sell that at a profit?

Gizmo (01:47:22):
No. I no. So you don't, but does Bam? Bam?

Bam Bam (01:47:25):
I'm I'm thinking about this. I'm trying to make sense
What's

Gizmo (01:47:29):
there to think about?

Bam Bam (01:47:29):
Really? I'm trying to make sense of it.

Gizmo (01:47:32):
So I'll just set

Senator (01:47:33):
up the example one more time.

Bam Bam (01:47:34):
No. No. Hang on. I'm looking at it from the point of
view of Rooster. You're notobsessed with the funding.
It's not something that you'redying

Rooster (01:47:41):
to have.

Gizmo (01:47:42):
I don't have any.

Senator (01:47:44):
Even if you did, he procured it at that price. If
anyone should profit, it's him.So I'm

Rooster (01:47:49):
saying like before you before you decided to sell it,
it would have been nice if youoffer it to me. Like, hey. It's
I don't I don't really want

Gizmo (01:47:57):
the say again though, it we are not selling the boxes

Senator (01:48:00):
we got here. So I'm using a hypothetical.

Bam Bam (01:48:02):
If

Senator (01:48:02):
I go to Giz and ask him for a box of Cohibas that he
bought four years ago at half ofwhat it goes for now, And he
says, okay. I'll sell it to youif you really want them. And I
pay what he paid. Mhmm. And thenI just turn around and have
someone sell them for me Andmake a profit

Gizmo (01:48:14):
on it.

Senator (01:48:15):
Double the money on it. That should be his profit. He
sourced the box. I shouldn't beprofiting off that.

Bam Bam (01:48:20):
Alright.

Gizmo (01:48:21):
I I don't disagree with your commentary

Senator (01:48:22):
on doesn't sound sold. That's what I'm

Bam Bam (01:48:25):
concerned about. I understand what you

Senator (01:48:27):
I mean, I'm I'm genuinely worried about this.

Gizmo (01:48:30):
But there's a

Senator (01:48:30):
reason I don't wanna hear anything from here. I'm
worried about Bamba.

Gizmo (01:48:33):
There's an element of time, though, that needs to be
factored in. We're talkingthree, three and a half years if
we're talking about that box.That's a long period

Bam Bam (01:48:39):
of I don't ever sell cigars. So I don't ever look at
when I buy a box of cigars, evenif I don't want I don't ever
look at profiting on a cigar. Sofor me, it's

Rooster (01:48:48):
not that.

Bam Bam (01:48:49):
I just wanna get rid of the box.

Rooster (01:48:50):
That's the only reason you're selling the funders
because they're

Gizmo (01:48:52):
at $2,000. That's not true. It's because I think the
room has collectively fallen outof well with the funders.

Bam Bam (01:48:58):
I have almost two boxes of those.

Senator (01:49:01):
But it doesn't matter whether someone loves them or
not. It's The point is that nowthere is a profit to be made,
and so who should get thatprofit?

Gizmo (01:49:10):
I don't

Senator (01:49:10):
know. Me. That's the problem.

Gizmo (01:49:12):
So alright. So let me lay out what's actually happening
here.

Senator (01:49:15):
I mean, this is outrageous.

Bam Bam (01:49:17):
I don't think I bought a box from him.

Senator (01:49:18):
You did.

Gizmo (01:49:19):
You gave me one. Stop. You bought a box

Rooster (01:49:21):
for a second.

Gizmo (01:49:21):
Let me lay out what's actually happening.

Bam Bam (01:49:23):
And I bought one from him. Miss.

Senator (01:49:24):
I'm disappointed. You're you're not setting this
up at all.

Gizmo (01:49:26):
I am. I'm telling you.

Senator (01:49:27):
I'm gonna tell There's a hypothetical I gave. You
should run with it.

Gizmo (01:49:30):
The hypothetical I'm with you. Bam clearly hasn't

Bam Bam (01:49:33):
got that.

Senator (01:49:33):
And that's fucking concerning.

Bam Bam (01:49:35):
I don't know if it's it's I don't ever think about
selling boxes to make money. Idon't I just gave you

Senator (01:49:40):
a hypothetical.

Bam Bam (01:49:41):
I don't think about profiting.

Senator (01:49:42):
Think about the hypothetical. You're selling a
box right now.

Bam Bam (01:49:45):
Yeah. Alright. I That kind of makes sense what he's
saying.

Gizmo (01:49:47):
I agree.

Bam Bam (01:49:48):
It makes sense.

Senator (01:49:48):
Kind

Gizmo (01:49:48):
of. Now let me lay out exactly what's happening here
and we can discuss this.

Senator (01:49:52):
Jesus Christ.

Gizmo (01:49:53):
I was purchasing a box of Trinidad Fundadores on a
retailer. I put it on the lizardchat. Hey, guys. This is
available. It's a fair price.
This is 2 or 3 years

Bam Bam (01:50:02):
I wrote that right away.

Gizmo (01:50:03):
And Bam texted me and said, Can you get me one and
I'll pay you right now? HeVenmoed me immediately. I added
a second box to my order.

Rooster (01:50:10):
But he already had a box of Fundies

Senator (01:50:12):
from I did.

Bam Bam (01:50:13):
Yeah. And I'm halfway through that box.

Gizmo (01:50:16):
Why you selling it

Rooster (01:50:17):
if you if you like the box?

Bam Bam (01:50:18):
But technically, wasn't your box that that we're
selling. That's true. It is a

Rooster (01:50:23):
box, Why would you buy another box if you're gonna

Senator (01:50:25):
I love I I love at the time.

Bam Bam (01:50:28):
At the time, I did love that cigar.

Gizmo (01:50:30):
I did not sell it to BAM. BAM paid me at the moment I
transacted.

Bam Bam (01:50:33):
I don't remember what the number was.

Senator (01:50:34):
Oh, it wasn't like a box that you had in stock. Okay.

Gizmo (01:50:37):
Again, I put it in my cart.

Senator (01:50:38):
So hypothetically then that's why this example is
irrelevant

Gizmo (01:50:41):
because it's not about what we're talking about.

Senator (01:50:42):
Exactly. The hypothetical is what is
important here.

Gizmo (01:50:44):
Yes. Exactly.

Rooster (01:50:45):
So I

Bam Bam (01:50:45):
agree with the I agree with the hypothetical, but Okay.
I don't remember what I paideither of you for your boxes.

Rooster (01:50:50):
$6.85.

Gizmo (01:50:51):
You paid him $6.85. I think the box 800 something. No.
It was more than that. It waslike 1,100 or 1,200.

Bam Bam (01:50:56):
Okay.

Gizmo (01:50:56):
It was as the prices But

Senator (01:50:57):
it sounds like he just placed an order for you. That's
It wasn't a box he bought forhimself that then he used.

Bam Bam (01:51:02):
Is that what it

Gizmo (01:51:02):
was? That's exactly what

Bam Bam (01:51:03):
I That's what it

Senator (01:51:03):
was?

Gizmo (01:51:04):
Yes. And I could show you the receipt.

Bam Bam (01:51:05):
Okay.

Senator (01:51:06):
And again, so like, you know, hypothetically, this is
where I would hope you'dappreciate this. I'm gonna put
it in your shoes now.

Chef (01:51:11):
Damn, it's like the price on that box needs to go up.

Senator (01:51:14):
Yeah, no. No, but like where you'd appreciate it.
Because

Bam Bam (01:51:17):
that

Senator (01:51:17):
Honestly

Bam Bam (01:51:17):
shut I don't look at profiting on cigars.

Senator (01:51:19):
I never really do. And, the the Don Carlos shark. Like,
you found a crazy deal at someretailer in Brooklyn.

Bam Bam (01:51:24):
I'm dying to bring that box in.

Senator (01:51:25):
I keep fucking forgetting to bring it in. Just
imagine this, ma'am. So, right,you put in the time to go find
this guy in Brooklyn. Mhmm.Let's say you get the box at
400.
I come to you, and I'm like,bam, I'm dying for more sharks.
Can I buy a box of sharks offyou? You said, you know what,
senator? I'll give them to youfor exactly what I paid.

Bam Bam (01:51:41):
And that's what I'm gonna do. 400.

Senator (01:51:42):
Of course. Now imagine that I then turn around two days
later, and I go and resell thosefor $800, and I keep the 400

Bam Bam (01:51:50):
off. Care. I really wouldn't

Senator (01:51:51):
care. I can't believe that.

Bam Bam (01:51:53):
I don't care. Because once it's yours, it's yours. You
do whatever the hell you wantwith them.

Rooster (01:51:57):
We wouldn't do that. I wouldn't do that.

Bam Bam (01:51:58):
I wouldn't it wouldn't efface me

Senator (01:52:00):
at all. You you would think that you would think that
that's a decent person thatwould ask you for something and
what you paid and thenimmediately turn around and and
sell it for a profit.

Bam Bam (01:52:09):
I don't you know, honestly, I don't think in those
terms. I don't really if it'syours-

Senator (01:52:13):
But if you knew that that's the case.

Gizmo (01:52:14):
Can I add one

Bam Bam (01:52:15):
qualifying It wouldn't faze me, honestly?

Gizmo (01:52:18):
Let me add a qualifying comment. When Bam said to me,
Hey man, I'm not really intothese fundies. I'd like to get
rid of them. Yeah. He actuallyhad no idea the concept of what
the price on the box was.
He was shocked when I told himwhat I think they'll transact
for on Bond Roberts. So hedidn't actually come in saying,
I think this is what they'reworth.

Senator (01:52:37):
No. Can you sell them? No. I'm not saying intent was to
profit there. Just sayingimagine that someone did.
Correct. I think anyone would beuncomfortable with the idea of
like

Gizmo (01:52:45):
I agree with you.

Senator (01:52:46):
Thought your friend loved and needed it, you gave it
to them, and then they justflipped it.

Bam Bam (01:52:49):
I I it wouldn't for me personally, when it once they're
yours, I don't think about them.

Senator (01:52:53):
Like, real example of this, like, there's a member in
our lounge who really wanted aparticular watch, a Rolex, and
like, the resell I mean, you youcan get a Rolex at MSRP. You try
to resell that. You'd make ahefty profit. Yeah. And so I put
my name down, an authorizeddealer to try to get this person

(01:53:14):
a watch.
If it ever happens, who knows?But there's a huge amount of
trust in the sense that if Igive that person that watch for
what I paid at cost, which isreally difficult to come by, If
they were to go then turn aroundand flip that watch a week
later, I'd never speak theperson. Yeah. I'd never speak to
the person.

Bam Bam (01:53:34):
But it's theirs that they can do whatever they want.

Gizmo (01:53:36):
Can I ask you

Senator (01:53:37):
a question? It's a trust thing. I wouldn't sell it
to someone whose intent is toflip it. Let me ask you
question. They ought tell me atthe time I'm selling it.
I'm actually gonna give you Oh,

Bam Bam (01:53:44):
that's a great point. My intent was never to flip
those fundies.

Gizmo (01:53:47):
Can I ask you a question though? Let's say that I was the
person purchasing that Rolexthat you put on your name down
on the list. You get it at MSRP.You sell it to me at MSRP. I
wear the watch for two years,and I go, you know what?
This watch isn't for me. I'mgonna get something else. And
then I'm like, you know what? II'm gonna get rid of this watch.

(01:54:07):
I'm gonna sell it at fair marketvalue.

Bam Bam (01:54:09):
Mhmm.

Gizmo (01:54:10):
Would that piss you off? A little. Yeah. Okay. It would.
Interesting.

Senator (01:54:13):
Yeah. Because that market is so hard to come by. I
mean, people

Gizmo (01:54:15):
wait years See, I'm also not a watcher.

Senator (01:54:17):
To get a watch like that. Like, I mean, so much so
that honestly, if like a buddyof mine did something like that
for me, I wouldn't pay him orher retail. I'd add something on
top of that. Like, it is absurdto get a watch like that at
retail. Like, it's so difficult.

Gizmo (01:54:34):
So if you sell if you purchase it at cost plus as a
good friend, does that then buyyou any

Senator (01:54:40):
Then, yes. Do whatever you

Gizmo (01:54:41):
want. Transact.

Bam Bam (01:54:42):
For

Gizmo (01:54:42):
sure. Because you've there's a

Senator (01:54:43):
good faith Just recognizing the like good faith
component of How crazy a dealyou got and, like, that the
effort that that friend put in.

Bam Bam (01:54:50):
You see where you started, rooster? I started.

Senator (01:54:54):
He didn't sell anything.

Chef (01:54:56):
I've learned two things in this conversation.

Bam Bam (01:54:57):
Go ahead, Richev.

Gizmo (01:54:58):
I'm I'm excited.

Chef (01:54:59):
I will absolutely hire a senator to argue any point from
you. And I will also keep mymouth shut.

Gizmo (01:55:08):
So, boys, you can see why g p zero one two lizard Greg on
FOH is our lizard of the week asI knew it would prompt a great
conversation like we just had.

Bam Bam (01:55:18):
That likely won't end anytime soon.

Gizmo (01:55:23):
We'll see what happens here.

Bam Bam (01:55:24):
Correct.

Gizmo (01:55:25):
But congratulations to him.

Senator (01:55:26):
It will result in no one selling Bebs.

Bam Bam (01:55:30):
That's true. Poor Ben

Chef (01:55:33):
just takes all the bebs. Mhmm. I tell you, man.

Bam Bam (01:55:35):
Correct. Again.

Gizmo (01:55:36):
Any listener out there, of course, as we know, boys can
win lizard of the week. They'regonna win something from us. I'm
gonna send lizard Greg somethinglike this for a great question.
It is really a thought provokingquestion, which is why I brought
it in tonight, and I wouldreally love to hear from
listeners on this specifictopic, this specific question.
Chime in, send us an email, orgive us a comment on what you

(01:55:58):
think, not only about theconversation we had internally,
how you handle box transactionsinside your friend group, be it
close friends, extended, youknow, acquaintances, etcetera,
people at a lounge you're at.
Like, I really wanna kinda colorthis conversation a little bit
with listener feedback and seewhat everybody says. But so
we've gotten quite a fewopinions tonight inside the five

(01:56:20):
of us in this room on
transacting with

Bam Bam (01:56:22):
Well, chef's position is to stay quiet.

Chef (01:56:27):
Yeah. I mean, I feel bad for Lizard Wayland because he
he's he threw out an email outthere with three different
questions. He couldn't getLizard of the week.

Rooster (01:56:39):
I think four questions.

Chef (01:56:41):
Yes. Four. Yeah. It's like four b.

Rooster (01:56:43):
It was a four act play.

Chef (01:56:45):
So Wow. That was a freaking whirlwind.

Gizmo (01:56:50):
I would like to

Rooster (01:56:50):
know the box code of the Fundies that you're selling.

Gizmo (01:56:55):
I'll tell it to you.

Bam Bam (01:56:56):
He's got them.

Gizmo (01:56:56):
I'll send it to you when I get home.

Chef (01:56:58):
Alright. Because Rooster keeps receipts.

Bam Bam (01:57:01):
Alright, boys. Even though they weren't bought from
him. That's okay.

Chef (01:57:04):
That that's what he's trying to go first.

Senator (01:57:06):
He hasn't verified it. That's what he's trying

Chef (01:57:07):
to verify.

Rooster (01:57:08):
Wanna determine.

Gizmo (01:57:08):
Alright. Alright, boys. We're coming to the end of our
evening tonight with ourpairing, the Bacardi Reserva
Ocho and the Partagas, LineaMaestra in Rito. What are you
guys thinking on the finish hereas we get to our race?

Bam Bam (01:57:21):
I wanna hear their opinions because this is I'm not
gonna say anything. No. No.Please do. No.
I wanna hear what you guys arethinking.

Chef (01:57:27):
I'm I'm loving this cigar. It's picked up a little bit in
strength here towards the lastthird. Still getting some salt.
Baking spice has dissipatedfully for

Bam Bam (01:57:36):
me. Completely.

Chef (01:57:37):
Strength's picked up a bit, but I'm still enjoying it.

Rooster (01:57:40):
I'm getting some leather.

Bam Bam (01:57:43):
It's leathery, it's earthy, there's some minerality
for me. It's not as smooth as itwas in the first two thirds.

Rooster (01:57:52):
Well, woody the the the wood note and the earthy note,
that has picked up in the lastthird.

Chef (01:57:57):
Yep. And and the leather.

Bam Bam (01:57:58):
Giz, have you retro ed this in the final third?

Gizmo (01:58:00):
I retro ed it every third or fourth draw.

Bam Bam (01:58:03):
Yeah. All the way down?

Gizmo (01:58:03):
Oh, yeah. Yeah. All the way down.

Bam Bam (01:58:06):
Excellent. Senator.

Senator (01:58:07):
Yeah. For me, the final third is where you would know
this is a partagus. I mean, for

Gizmo (01:58:12):
most It took long enough, but it got there.

Senator (01:58:14):
It's true. And I'm fine it did because the first two
thirds were awesome in their ownway. Right? It didn't need to
deliver a traditional particusexperience to be amazing. Mhmm.
Those notes, I will never I havenever ever had as buttery, salty
a cigar, then biscuity.

Bam Bam (01:58:35):
The second note was the biscuity.

Senator (01:58:38):
Whole journey was just spectacular.

Bam Bam (01:58:41):
Definitely a three act play.

Rooster (01:58:42):
It's almost like a marriage of an Upman number two
and a Monty number two. Likethose notes, you get the baking
spice notes that you get out ofthe Upman two and you get the
salty twang out of the Monty.

Bam Bam (01:58:59):
What are you thinking of that final inch and a half
that you have there?

Rooster (01:59:02):
It's delicious. It's really good. I just wish the
price point is so I

Bam Bam (01:59:07):
have to say I like the first two thirds better than the
final third. Not that this isbad, but I

Rooster (01:59:13):
Well the creaminess and the butteriness, that's
dissipated in the

Bam Bam (01:59:17):
last No, I still get buttery saltiness, but it's kind
of like mingling now with earthtones and some minerality. Some
minerality, yeah. Which, youknow, a little bit of an edge,
just a touch.

Chef (01:59:28):
I don't mind it though. For me, it's a solid four act
play. I mean, started withsunflower seeds, sunchoke,
Jerusalem artichoke.

Gizmo (01:59:37):
You still don't know what that is two hours later.

Senator (01:59:39):
Clue. Permanently three acts for me.

Rooster (01:59:41):
Is an Israeli artichoke called a sunchoke?

Chef (01:59:44):
Yeah. Yeah. Jerusalem artichoke.

Bam Bam (01:59:46):
Sounds like a bam approved activity.

Senator (01:59:47):
I was getting a Palestinian artichoke, but that
was just me.

Bam Bam (01:59:51):
Just saying.

Chef (01:59:54):
Yeah. So we started with that. Then we got into the
salted butter, very, very heavysalted butter. And then we got
into some baking spice and nowwe're hitting some leather and
mineral. So for me, that

Rooster (02:00:07):
was four. It's kind of an Irish butter.

Chef (02:00:10):
From Costco, right?

Senator (02:00:14):
That creaminess, was getting a little skur. Some
Icelandic yogurt.

Bam Bam (02:00:20):
Is that what that is?

Gizmo (02:00:21):
That's what Grindr taught us on whatever. Grindr was
talking about skur.

Bam Bam (02:00:24):
Skur? Okay. That's a new term for me.

Gizmo (02:00:27):
All right, boys. It's time now to move into the formal
liquorating time on the BacardiReserva Ocho Rum. Bam, bam,
you're up.

Bam Bam (02:00:34):
So, you know, the first two or three sips were just
overtly sweet. I was at a seveninitially, but I think this has
really grown on me. It'sactually become a very
drinkable, the sweetnessexperience, and the sweetness
has dissipated. I'm I think I'mat a eight here. Firmly at
eight.

(02:00:55):
Enjoyable. I'm on my secondglass. It's very good.

Gizmo (02:00:59):
Alright. Chef Ricky.

Chef (02:01:01):
I started at a six. I was really not a fan in the
beginning. I don't know ifanybody could tell.

Bam Bam (02:01:07):
Oh, same.

Chef (02:01:08):
It's too sweet. But now I'm on a firm seven with it. I'm
happy with that score for thisproduct. You know, even with the
price point, maybe it could pushan eight just because it's very
accessible.

Bam Bam (02:01:24):
Even on your second glass, you're having a challenge
with it,

Chef (02:01:26):
No, no, no. I'm not having a challenge with it, but I gotta
knock it for that first glass,because I almost didn't want to
drink it anymore.

Bam Bam (02:01:35):
You know, most spirits you have to, like you've said
many many times, your palate hasto adjust.

Senator (02:01:41):
A few sips,

Chef (02:01:42):
a few sips.

Bam Bam (02:01:43):
You're into it.

Senator (02:01:44):
Yeah. I like this. Spam holding chef accountable.

Chef (02:01:46):
A little bit of few sips.

Gizmo (02:01:48):
Tonight's been a good night for accountability.

Bam Bam (02:01:50):
Oh, I agree. Thank God it's not aiming.

Chef (02:01:53):
She's gonna

Senator (02:01:54):
keep my mouth shut.

Chef (02:01:55):
It's a seven. Oh, it

Rooster (02:01:56):
kinda was.

Bam Bam (02:01:57):
It was.

Gizmo (02:01:58):
I mean, I love how he sits through that half hour of
what we just did and goes, Itwasn't aimed at me.

Bam Bam (02:02:03):
No profiting on friends. Correct. I agree with
that.

Rooster (02:02:08):
Just so you wait.

Bam Bam (02:02:11):
I still have your box I'm smoking through, you mother.

Chef (02:02:16):
Yeah. I'm a keep my mouth shut. I'm I'm at a seven.

Gizmo (02:02:18):
Alright. So I'm I've really struggled actually as
we've come to the ratingstonight because the way it
started for me is similar tochef Ricky. That artificial
cherry finish, that kind ofcough drop medicinal ludens as I
call that. I think that'sprobably the closest in flavor
for me is how it was finishingwas really a turnoff. It

(02:02:39):
probably took, I don't know,eight to 10 sips as I finally my
palate adjusted, etcetera.
So that was definitely, youknow, I was not into that.
However, as I drank more, I didpour a little more as you guys
did. I definitely adjusted toit. I definitely started at a
five or a six. However, giventhe price, given where I ended
up with this, given how itpaired with this cigar, I'm at

(02:03:01):
an eight.
I I think the rum is actuallysurprising to me. I don't drink
Bacardi products ever. When Ithink Bacardi, I think really
difficult college experiences.I'm sure most of our listeners,
when they see Bacardi

Bam Bam (02:03:15):
Correct.

Gizmo (02:03:15):
On this title card on this episode They

Bam Bam (02:03:17):
run-in the opposite

Senator (02:03:18):
in

Gizmo (02:03:18):
the hell have has happened to the lizards that
they're drinking Bacardi? Havethey run out of options? But
this is something you could findanywhere. We joke about seven
Eleven. If your seven Elevensells alcohol, you could
probably find this there.
Not this.

Chef (02:03:32):
You know?

Gizmo (02:03:32):
And for $32, not this bottle. I'm being facetious. But
it's accessible everywhere. Youknow, you're not gonna have
difficulty finding this like alot of the other great rum
products we drink. And again, at$32.99 I think it's a pretty
damn good rum, and I like howthis drank with a Cuban cigar
time.

Bam Bam (02:03:51):
I love the adjustment of the palate. That's just a
great experience to go throughthat.

Gizmo (02:03:56):
Absolutely. So for me, it's an eight. I was like I
said, I started at a five or asix, but really, through the two
hours of this experiencetonight, I'm at an eight.
Senator.

Senator (02:04:06):
So I've I've had the similar struggle of everybody
deciding kinda between tworatings, because initially, I
was at a seven, but it's not howyou start, it's how you finish.
And I'm gonna round up to aneight. I mean

Gizmo (02:04:22):
Was that a Ricky Bobby?

Bam Bam (02:04:24):
No. That's a Bam Bam.

Senator (02:04:30):
But with this rum, I think a few things come to mind.
One, as a pairing, which I Ithat's the purpose of this.
Right? There are I I can't thinkof a Cuban cigar that this
wouldn't pair with. I like, theversatility is there, and I
think there are even New Worldcigars that this would pair well
with.
So versatility is definitely amerit. I think with this

(02:04:53):
particular cigar, just the waythis sits on your palate with
the buttery nature of this cigarworked really, really well. And
there's so many rums. I mean,there's excellent rums, like
four square that that's not howit's designed. It doesn't sit on
your palate like this butterysmooth way.
Like, it sits on your palate.It's like, I'm gonna let you

(02:05:15):
know I'm here. There's a ton offlavor in this and some heat,
and that would have clashed witha cigar like this. So I thought,
like, from a pairingperspective, it did really well.
The price point's obviously verygood.
You know, there's there'ssomething about the brand
history with Bacardi that I Iwon't lie, like, I really love.

(02:05:37):
It's it's a cool and amazingstory, and they've been a
pioneer in many ways. And I'mglad to have a Bacardi product
that makes me think of the brandin a different way, which is
typically a mixed a spirit formixing. Mhmm. Right?
You think of Bacardi in pinacoladas and all these different

(02:05:59):
rum based drinks.

Bam Bam (02:06:00):
You've gotta mask it with other ingredients. Exactly.

Chef (02:06:02):
I think this would go great in a pina colada, by the
way.

Bam Bam (02:06:07):
Okay, chef.

Senator (02:06:08):
And so to have a Bacardi product that we can sip
neatly None of us used ice. Youknow, it is a merit, and I think
my final verdict will be in themorning Oh, yeah. To know if
there are additives that are notgonna sit well, but for right
now, I feel great.

Bam Bam (02:06:26):
Think that

Gizmo (02:06:26):
%.

Senator (02:06:27):
It's a solid enough product, and so I'm gonna round
up to an eight. Nice.

Gizmo (02:06:31):
Alright. So the formal liquor rating tonight, boys, on
the Bacardi Reserva Ocho rumfrom Puerto Rico is a 7.8. Okay.
I gotta tell you, we didn't noteone thing that I think is very
cool. Bacardi is the largestprivately held spirits company
in the world.
Wow. Obviously, they're sellinga ton of stuff. Yeah. And

(02:06:52):
tonight at a $33 price point,this first entrant in our
ratings guide at a 7.8 is Ithink a very fair score

Bam Bam (02:07:00):
for the housing strength There's that hovering
quality that Senator mentionedwhen it's on your palate before
you swallow it. That's veryunique. I agree. You don't get
that in many rums. But I

Chef (02:07:10):
think we're asking everyone who's drinking this to
last, to wait until their secondglass.

Bam Bam (02:07:16):
Oh yeah. At

Gizmo (02:07:17):
least get ten, fifteen minutes in.

Bam Bam (02:07:19):
Couple of sips for sure. So

Senator (02:07:22):
just a random thing because Rooster I think
hopefully will know

Bam Bam (02:07:26):
this

Senator (02:07:26):
brand,

Bam Bam (02:07:26):
but I just want this Right? We're not talking about
the Funky. No. No.

Senator (02:07:29):
This is about the rum. This is still about

Rooster (02:07:30):
the We'll talk about that tomorrow.

Bam Bam (02:07:32):
Or you mean in an hour after we stop recording?

Senator (02:07:37):
I just assume that Bacardi was probably the best
selling rum in the world becauseyou just find it everywhere.
It's old monk. It used to be. Itused to be, but it was overtaken
by, I can't even believe this,an Indian rum.

Bam Bam (02:07:54):
Oh, brother. I've

Gizmo (02:07:54):
moved one. Here we go.

Senator (02:07:55):
No. It's called McDowell's. McDowell's is a
whiskey.

Bam Bam (02:08:00):
Wait a minute. It's an Irish name out of India?

Senator (02:08:03):
This is. And Vine Pear, a very reputable source. Bacardi
was once the world's bestselling rum, but it was
overtaken by McDowell's.McDowell's is an Indian rum.
Really?
It says. Yeah. What?

Rooster (02:08:14):
I know they do make a whiskey. Maybe they make a rum

Gizmo (02:08:16):
as well. I don't know.

Senator (02:08:18):
I was shocked.

Bam Bam (02:08:18):
With a name like McDowell's?

Gizmo (02:08:20):
It's very Indian. No?

Bam Bam (02:08:22):
Oh, yeah.

Rooster (02:08:23):
Totally. McDowell Patel.

Gizmo (02:08:27):
I can Patel Patel.

Bam Bam (02:08:28):
I just I'm in I'm envisioning shamrocks and four
leaf clovers.

Gizmo (02:08:34):
Alright, boys. It's time now to move into the formal
lizard reading tonight on thepartagus Linea Maestra in Rito
from Cuba, Rooster Europe.

Rooster (02:08:42):
I almost forgot this was a partagus. Yeah. Yeah. I
mean, the partagus is one of ourmost favorite markers in this
room, right?

Bam Bam (02:08:52):
100%.

Rooster (02:08:53):
But when you light the cigar and looking at the bands,
you can't even tell it's aportuguese. When you light it,
it doesn't smoke like aportuguese. I mean, you get the
notes that you don't usually getin a portuguese until you get to
the last third of the cigar.This cigar started out
absolutely delicious and almostto the end. I mean, creamy

(02:09:16):
notes, I got a

Chef (02:09:18):
little leather, a little wood, a

Rooster (02:09:19):
little earthiness. Absolutely a delicious cigar.
The only negative in this cigaris the price point. I mean, at
$100 plus that it's going forright now, I don't know how many
of us would actually source thecigar, maybe BAM.

Bam Bam (02:09:37):
Through you.

Gizmo (02:09:39):
At a discounted price

Bam Bam (02:09:41):
and then resell Which never happened,

Senator (02:09:46):
by the way.

Rooster (02:09:49):
But this cigar is absolutely delicious. I mean,
it's it's a great cigar. So I'mat a nine.

Gizmo (02:09:56):
Okay. Wow. Mister Partigus, senator.

Senator (02:09:59):
I'm in lops lockstep with Rooster. It's definitely a
nine. I I similarly, like Gizmo,came into this not expecting
this level of experience. I'veheard it's polarizing. I've
heard it doesn't smoke like apartigus.
And, you know, I'm shocked tosay, like, I'm glad it doesn't
smoke like a partigus.

Rooster (02:10:18):
Is so is a flawless construction of this.

Senator (02:10:21):
Of course. Oh, the construction was great, and it's
just the blend is so unique. Imean, it's not often that we say
with a Cuban or a New Worldcigar that this is unlike
anything in its category thatwe've had. I wouldn't compare
this to a single other Cubancigar in, like, a true sense.

(02:10:41):
Not like there's a littleelement of this, little element
of that.

Bam Bam (02:10:43):
I couldn't agree more about

Senator (02:10:45):
There's not one cigar I would say, this smokes very
similar to X. Doesn't exist.I've never gotten this level of
butteriness in a Cuban cigarlike we did in this one. So the
complexity from the light, Imean, we were talking about at
least four, if not five flavornotes when we lit the cigar.

Bam Bam (02:11:07):
Sweet cream, we talked about.

Senator (02:11:09):
Cream, salted butter, the nuttiness.

Bam Bam (02:11:11):
Sunflowers, yeah, that nuttiness. Butter.

Rooster (02:11:14):
Baking spice.

Senator (02:11:15):
Baking spice, mean, were so many things present.

Bam Bam (02:11:17):
Biscuit,

Senator (02:11:18):
that was And as you went, it just continued to
evolve, and I really did likethat as mild as it started, yet
still satisfying and flavorful,it built as you smoked it, and I
thought the final third is whereit ended medium. I think it
started mild, and I like thatprogression, and the flavor

(02:11:39):
notes I think just perfectlybuilt along the way. I would
definitely smoke this again. Youknow, the only problem,

Bam Bam (02:11:47):
like I is the price point.

Gizmo (02:11:48):
Yeah.

Senator (02:11:49):
And that's really the sad thing. And so for me, this
is like a special occasionstick, something that I'd
purchase and smoke in verylimited circumstances.

Gizmo (02:12:01):
We're talking once a year, twice a year?

Senator (02:12:03):
At most? Probably once a year. You know, it's sad. I
just wish if this I mean,honestly, this blend is so
interesting and unique. If theymade this cigar half the size
and sold it at 30 or $40, I'dbuy it.
Yeah. And like more regularlysmoke it. It's that good, but at
that price point, I I can't saythis is something I'd pull for

(02:12:25):
probably more than once a year.So the adage holds, Partagas can
do no wrong. It's a spectacularblend, and honestly, it's
courageous on their part to what

Bam Bam (02:12:37):
I was about to say that there's a bit of a risk Huge. In
this blend. Huge. Such adeparture.

Senator (02:12:43):
When you see commentary out there that this is such a
departure from Partagas, it'snothing like a Partagas, the
immediate assumption is, well,then it's not gonna be a great
cigar. And the fact that theydid that, but did it in a
spectacular way, unlike thatAliatos.

Gizmo (02:12:59):
Aliatos, yeah. Mean, that's complete opposite. Right?

Senator (02:13:01):
They departed, and they failed. This is a wild success
as far as I'm concerned, so Ithink they deserve a lot of
credit. It's a solid nine, and Ithink any lizard who talk about
versatility. Any cigar smokerwho likes a mild cigar, a medium
cigar, or even a medium fullcigar, I think would enjoy this,
and that says it all. Yeah.

(02:13:23):
There's something for everybodyin

Rooster (02:13:24):
this cigar.

Senator (02:13:24):
A lot

Gizmo (02:13:25):
of merit in the blend. Absolutely. Yeah. So I'm also at
a nine. Again, I came in verypessimistic tonight.
I had seen a lot of reviewsonline, I had seen a lot of
negativity online, I was thrownoff by the blue bands, I was at
the release event, I wasconfused by it. I smoked one
there, and it was borderlineterrible, probably because it

(02:13:46):
was too humid and too fresh.Obviously, you know, these came
down in humidity. We had a greatburning experience tonight
amongst the five of us. Thesmoke output was great.
The combustion was great. Theburn line, the construction
really worked out really wellfor everybody. It was delicious
through and through. It was agreat evolution to the point

(02:14:07):
where I was smoking faster thaneverybody in the room and I was
probably speaking the most,that's how much I was enjoying
it. You know, I was really,really chasing that addictive,
as we called it, that saltinessthat I don't know if I found
that saltiness in any otherCuban cigar.

Bam Bam (02:14:25):
Or in any other partagus.

Gizmo (02:14:26):
Or any other partagus for sure. But as Rooster mentioned
earlier, Monte Cristo is where Ithink salt. I think Monte
Cristo, especially the numbertwo. But this trumped that a
little bit for me tonight.There's no question about it.
It was like creamy butteredpopcorn. Mhmm. You know? It was
like we went to the movies, andyou had a big bucket of gross
buttered popcorn with tons ofsalt

Bam Bam (02:14:48):
on Yeah. But that captures a

Chef (02:14:49):
lot of the nuts that

Bam Bam (02:14:50):
we had here.

Gizmo (02:14:50):
Yeah. It does.

Bam Bam (02:14:51):
Yeah. The nuttiness is there too.

Gizmo (02:14:53):
Then it moved to this baking spice. There was a little
sweetness, especially on theburn line throughout, but then
the sweetness entered theregular draw as we got into the
last third, which was reallygreat. Of course, like Senator
and Rooster both said, it'slike, the price point is
obscene. At a hundred and $11, Idon't know if or when I'm gonna

(02:15:15):
have this cigar again. Flat out.
Like, there is no point atwhich, outside of this podcast,
I will be transacting on anyquantity of this cigar at any
point to, like, senator said,smoke it once a year. I mean, a
hundred $11. I have so manycigars in my in my collection
that are At that price. Of thatprice or not nice, rooster. But,

(02:15:39):
you know, that that's that'sreally that's really a challenge
for me.
And finally and and maybe I'lltoss this out. We could talk
about this after the rating, butI'm curious about its legs. I'm
curious about how this cigar,after a year, three years, five
years, even ten years

Bam Bam (02:15:56):
Who knows?

Gizmo (02:15:56):
Will mature or change. I'm not sure if, outside of what
we experience tonight, if I evenwant more. You know, I thought
it was a really, reallyexcellent cigar. Which is a
merit. That's a huge merit.

Bam Bam (02:16:07):
Yes.

Gizmo (02:16:08):
And that's my point here.

Bam Bam (02:16:09):
Correct.

Gizmo (02:16:09):
Again, going back to current regular production, new
releases from Cuba, this cigarperformed brilliantly as so many
of the others have, and I feelvery lucky that we had this
experience tonight. So with allthat being said, discounting the
score a little bit for the valuecompared to the price,

Senator (02:16:26):
it's a nine for me. Quick note before chef gives his
rating. A number mentioned thatat the very end in the final
third, it got really woody andearthy. Yes. And I started to
have that experience.
I put down the cigar. We werehaving a conversation. I picked
it back up, and I relit it. Theexperience is dramatically

(02:16:49):
different. So this cigar in thelast third when it heats up,
that's where you get that.
Yeah. I now, since it completelycooled down and I relit it, I'm
getting the butter popcorn thatI got early on in the So

Bam Bam (02:17:03):
there's there is merit to slowing down in that final
third.

Rooster (02:17:06):
Did you wanna change your rating? Or

Senator (02:17:08):
even I thought about it.

Bam Bam (02:17:10):
I don't know.

Gizmo (02:17:11):
Hey, Pagoda's not here, but I'm gonna stand in Pagoda's
spot and say no change in theratings.

Chef (02:17:16):
Yeah. It may be great practice that when we get this
close to the to the end of thecigar, just to give a couple
purges, you know, and kind ofreset Or

Bam Bam (02:17:23):
just let it sit for a bit.

Chef (02:17:25):
You know, going into my rating, everything you guys are
saying to me makes this a 10cigar.

Senator (02:17:30):
I love it. Wow. I

Gizmo (02:17:32):
love it. I'm impressed.

Chef (02:17:34):
Wow. You know, yeah, it's $111 It's a special occasion
stick, and I tell you what, I'mhappy I have three kids cause
I'll smoke one on each of theirbirthdays and my So I'll smoke
four a year. And I think at 110it's a firm two, two plus hour
smoke.

Bam Bam (02:17:51):
Yep. Four

Rooster (02:17:53):
or Why would you smoke four? You only have three kids.

Chef (02:17:55):
Well, my own birthday.

Rooster (02:17:57):
Oh. There you go.

Gizmo (02:17:58):
What about my birthday?

Chef (02:17:59):
That's five. Smoked one on your birthday, my wife's
birthday.

Gizmo (02:18:02):
Know? He's smoking a box of you. You better get two
boxes.

Bam Bam (02:18:06):
Luck on that procurement on that. I just I
just won't buy them from BAM

Chef (02:18:09):
because they're pay more.

Bam Bam (02:18:12):
They Full price. Yeah. Current price.

Chef (02:18:16):
But I know this cigar was fantastic. You know, I don't I
don't know that you wantanything more from a hundred and
$10 cigar and that it's gonnagive you two plus hours of
relaxing smoke time, fulfillingsmoke time, acts, four to five
acts solidly. And it's going tofulfill every craving you have

(02:18:38):
from an earthy, sweet, salty,buttery baking spice, you know,
even some leather there towardsthe end. Like it delivered
everything. Sure, the PartagasDNA, you know, it showed itself
a little towards the end.
But I wasn't mad at that becauseeverything else about it was
fantastic. And we, you know, wewe called out maybe three or

(02:19:02):
four different markers withinthis one cigar. I mean, that's
that's amazing. To me, that's ahuge merit. Great blending,
great burn, great combustion,great construction.
It's a 10 for me.

Gizmo (02:19:13):
Wow. Awesome. Alright, Bam.

Bam Bam (02:19:15):
Yeah. So I'm at a nine, firmly at a nine. And I think
that rating and a 10, of course,you'd have to put price aside
for what we got out of thecigar. My first experience with
the cigar pales in comparison towhat I experienced tonight.
Honestly, I'm down to about ahalf inch.
It's very savory. That butterysaltiness does continue through,

(02:19:37):
but it's very nourishing rightnow. There's a savoriness to it.
It's unlike the first twothirds, which for me, it's a
solid three act play. I didn'tget the four act experience.

Chef (02:19:48):
You know what's interesting to me is I'm the
only one in the room that hasn'tsmoked this before. And I'm
wondering if you're

Senator (02:19:54):
prior to Oh, you hadn't? I haven't either.

Rooster (02:19:57):
This is my first.

Gizmo (02:19:58):
Yeah, just spamming me.

Rooster (02:19:59):
Yeah. Okay. I'll

Bam Bam (02:20:00):
take that I had it for a while. I didn't let it sit
long enough because I was verycurious about it. The first two
thirds were identical to thisexperience. It was buttery, but
it was a lot of baking spice,which I got in a second third.
For me, the second third wasvery biscuity and a lot of
baking spice.
I did as I entered that finalthird, it got a little bit

(02:20:21):
harsh, and then it kinda passedthat for just maybe five draws,
and it just it got very savory,and it's it's a pretty special
cigar. Putting price aside, I'mat a nine.

Gizmo (02:20:31):
Alright. So that puts the formal lizard rating tonight on
the Partagas Linea Maestra inRito at a 9.2. Wow. Great score.
I wanted to say something that Inoted as we've smoked it
obviously, but as we've gonethrough our ratings, is this
might be very unique, in thatthe five of us had nearly

(02:20:56):
identical experiences on a cigartonight.
Often, there's some sort ofdivergent, somebody has a
combustion issue, somebody has adraw issue, somebody has a
flavor difference. Consistently,as we went through the cigar On
a Cuban cigar. On a Cuban cigar.I feel like this might be a
standout as far as everybody inthe room kind of moving at the

(02:21:20):
same pace experiencing the samethings But haven't we feels kind
of rare

Bam Bam (02:21:24):
in a way. I have a question. Haven't we experienced
similar experiences on mostPartagas that we've smoked? I
think it has a lot to do withthe marca and their ability to
be consistent in what they wantto do for the particular cigar.

Senator (02:21:36):
I agree. I also have to say, Chef is my hero tonight. I
I really It's not Bam? I really

Bam Bam (02:21:44):
Why is he your

Senator (02:21:45):
hero tonight? No. He's he's senators

Bam Bam (02:21:48):
this week. I wanna Spencer. Wanna know. I wanna
know. Does he get a hoodie?

Gizmo (02:21:53):
I'll take

Chef (02:21:53):
a summary then. Alright.

Senator (02:21:55):
But I I say that, you know, Bam was saying price
aside, and and Chef's rating isnot price aside. Chef is saying,
what's the price? I know. And Ireally respect it because,
again, you know, I I relit thatlast half inch after I rated,
and the thing that just standsout is the fact that there's
nothing like it. That's thepremium.

Rooster (02:22:17):
Mhmm.

Senator (02:22:18):
Right? We've always said, you know, a $500 cigar is
absolutely ridiculous becausethere's no way that a $500 cigar
can deliver anything that wehaven't experienced before.
Mhmm. But at a hundred andsomething bucks, this delivered
something we haven't experiencedbefore. That is a humongous
merit.
Mean,

Gizmo (02:22:37):
it's not often to

Senator (02:22:38):
say that.

Bam Bam (02:22:38):
I can't agree more at how unique the cigar was. Yeah.
There's no doubt about it.

Gizmo (02:22:42):
And the other thing I'm gonna say to listeners out
there, if if you are interestedin purchasing some of these
cigars and what we discussedwith other ratings out there, I
think it is so crucial, as we'vetalked about so many times, that
you need to be smoking thiscigar at a low humidity. 62% RH,

(02:23:02):
70 degrees Fahrenheit. That iswhere the cigar needs to be to
perform at time. For quite sometime, as we experienced tonight,
we all had a great, consistent,well burning cigar that tasted
amazing. I think that is thedifference between what we had
tonight It's crucial.

Bam Bam (02:23:19):
And what

Gizmo (02:23:20):
other folks have reviewed online who hated the cigar, it
burned like shit, etcetera. It'sa humidity problem.

Bam Bam (02:23:27):
Absolutely. Hard stop. There's no doubt about that.
Yeah.

Gizmo (02:23:30):
Alright, boys. Let's compare this to the 11 other
Partagas cigars we've done onthe podcast.

Bam Bam (02:23:35):
Let me take a nap. Go ahead.

Gizmo (02:23:36):
I'm gonna I'm gonna run through them very quickly. I'm
wide awake. On episode yeah.Mister Partagas is here.

Bam Bam (02:23:43):
Correct.

Gizmo (02:23:44):
Episode one, we did the Maduro one in 8.7. Our New
Year's Eve episode from 2021.One is not a we're saying that.
Series d number four, thePartigus d four scored a 9.2. On
episode 14, we did the famousCalabrese episode.
If you haven't heard thatepisode, it's a lot of fun. We
were like giddy skillschoolchildren on that episode,

(02:24:04):
scored a 9.3. On episode 16, wedid the Partigus short, an eight
point zero. On episode 36, Theseries p number two, commonly
called the p two, scored an 8.7.On episode 56, we had our friend
Rob Isla from FOH and Fabricafive on the podcast live from
Australia.
We did the Lusitanius, did notperform well, scored an eight

(02:24:27):
point zero. On episode 64, wedid the Coronas Gordis. Anajados
scored a 9.7. On episode 82, wedid the series e number two,
commonly called the e two,scoring 9.3. On episode 113, we
did the eight nine eight,scoring nine point zero.
On episode 133, we did thefamous Partagas Aliatos LCDH,

(02:24:52):
arguably one of the worst cigarswe've done in quite some time,
scored a 5.7. Terrible cigar.And finally, episode 149, we did
the Maduro number three, thesister cigar to episode one's
Maduro number one, scored a 9.4.So this one tonight at a 9.2 is
up there with the best of thebest of Partigas that we have

(02:25:16):
done on this podcast.

Rooster (02:25:17):
You know, that that Colabra was an awesome cigar.
Dude. It was, man. And you knowwhat? That that reminds me.
I I never put that on splitwise.

Bam Bam (02:25:27):
There's a limit statute of limitations on that.

Gizmo (02:25:29):
Statute of limitations.

Bam Bam (02:25:30):
You're out. Are you gonna You're out.

Chef (02:25:32):
Are you gonna put that at the price you paid or current?

Rooster (02:25:35):
Current plus.

Gizmo (02:25:36):
Hey, don't forget that we're friends.

Senator (02:25:38):
Correct. Roosters charging interest

Bam Bam (02:25:42):
only to me.

Gizmo (02:25:43):
That was an aged box.

Rooster (02:25:44):
That was a 2013. I think it was older than that.
Maybe 02/2008.

Gizmo (02:25:48):
I thought it was 02/2008.

Rooster (02:25:49):
Very special. Much it's gonna be on split points.

Gizmo (02:25:54):
Boys. A great night tonight. Let's review one more
time. On the Bacardi ReservaOcho Rum, we had a 7.8. And on
the Partagas Linea Maestro fromCuba, the Rito, we had a 9.2.

Chef (02:26:06):
Wow. I think those scores are perfect.

Gizmo (02:26:08):
Yeah. Perfect scores.

Senator (02:26:08):
Yeah.

Gizmo (02:26:09):
Yeah. And what a great night tonight, boys.

Bam Bam (02:26:11):
Great

Gizmo (02:26:11):
night. Great cigar, very complimentary, reasonably priced
pairing in the rum. Awesome.Awesome. We have to shout out
lizard Greg, our lizard of theweek, GP012.
Thanks so much for that greatquestion tonight. And, again,
prompting listeners here, pleaselet us know what you think about
selling boxes to friends atcost, cost plus, etcetera. Let

(02:26:32):
us know what you think. Thanks,of course, to our sponsor,
Fabrica Five. We reallyappreciate them.
They have great cigars. And bam,you discovered today that the
cigars are back in stock. Oh.And you prompted all of us

Bam Bam (02:26:43):
Trinity Robusto, baby.

Gizmo (02:26:45):
Went out and placed some orders for

Rooster (02:26:46):
I had bought all of them.

Bam Bam (02:26:48):
Three bundles today.

Rooster (02:26:49):
Three bundles. Three bundles.

Senator (02:26:50):
Can't wait

Bam Bam (02:26:51):
to get them.

Rooster (02:26:51):
Can I buy one

Bam Bam (02:26:52):
from Yes? Full price. Plus.

Gizmo (02:26:57):
Alright, boys. A great night tonight, and we'll see
everybody next week. Hope youenjoyed this episode. Thanks for
joining us. You could find ourmerch store and ratings archive
at our brand new website,loungelizardspod.com.
That's loungelizardsp0d.com.Don't forget to leave us a
rating and subscribe on yourfavorite podcast platform. If

(02:27:17):
you have any comments,questions, do you wanna reach
out, say hello, tell us whatyou're smoking, email us. Hello
at loungelizardspod.com. You canalso find us on Instagram at
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We really appreciate your time,and we'll, we'll see you next
week.

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