41: Love is the Original Medicine Ft. Charlie Trinh: a healing perspective on medicine, love, and life

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And so now I'm like waking up to realize, no, my story is a love story.

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My story is Mother Earth and Father Sky fell in love and made humans.
Because a lot of people have the wrong perception of reality.
And so they might hate reality when, in fact, reality is created for them.
So why are you hating the reality rather than loving it so much that you are creating out of love?
I want people to fall in love with their story, fall in love with your story, fall in love

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with the genetics, ignorance is bliss because you don't know that you don't know how to love
until you lose everything and realize what it takes to life.
The shitty stuff that happens to us always tells me, oh, there's a gift I'm waiting to get.
Original medicine wasn't written during a time of lack, but it was written during a time of abundance.

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Again, original medicine gave us all the skills to be divine.
So I think that's why original medicines need to come back because modern medicine has been
censored for many lifetimes.
I'm not fixing you.
I'm not healing you.
I am just reflecting the healing that's ready for you to experience.

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Love is the most powerful medicine.
Welcome home to the Loving Consciously podcast.
My name is Ameris.
And my name is Eric.
And if you are like us, nobody taught you how to love.
We are best friends and life partners here to vulnerably and authentically share our journey
while exploring the sacred realms of love, consciousness, relationships, spirituality,

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and all that they encompass.
The intention of this show is to help you consciously relate to yourself, others,
and everything else in this universe.
Together, we can embody a more intentional and fulfilling way of giving and receiving love.
Loving Consciously.
Through eight years together, we have had the opportunity to overcome deep patterning and
programming, as well as trauma related to mental health, addiction, pregnancy loss,

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infidelity, and immense grief.
After six years of experiencing these challenges with no knowledge on how to heal or love each
other, we separated.
After us both spiritually awakening and recommitting, we formed our conscious partnership
and have spent the last two years cultivating a divine union founded on unconditional love,
devotion, and commitment to personal growth.

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Thank you for joining us and doing the work alongside us as we explore this beautiful
world of love and consciousness to co-create a new world of love.
As you courageously walk this path, remember to have grace with yourself and know that you
have both the capacity to love consciously and the power to always choose love.

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Namaste and welcome back to the Loving Consciously podcast.
We are so excited to be here today with our dear friend, someone that we love and respect
so much to talk about many things, one of them being original medicine.
We're going to get into acupuncture and love and so many other awesome things.
And so without further ado, Charlie, thank you so much for being here with us today.

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Welcome to the show.
Yes, thank you for having me.
I'm excited to be able to speak about this today.
Yeah, there's nothing I would rather do right now than hear you talk about this stuff.
So before we get into that and get into you and who you are and all the beautiful things
that you're offering to the world and the collective right now, I would love to ask you
what Loving Consciously looks like in your life.

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Yes, thank you for that.
Loving Consciously to me, it's really important is just being able to understand the power of love
and being conscious of how we use it.
I think too often times we use love in a way that like dismisses the power of it.
I think it's very important that even just the idea of listening, that's very powerful

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in loving someone.
I think we often are in a Western culture that demands action.
And I think it's very powerful that sometimes shutting up, listening and reacting is just as
loving as really giving advice.
Right.
I think too often we like to do stuff rather than like, hey, that's your thing.

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Actually, anything I say won't really help.
So I'll love you from a distance, but I still can love you and not show that I need to make
my presence known or something like that.
Right.
I think because this is very common Eastern thing of like sometimes actually by doing nothing
is much more loving than actually taking action.
There's definitely a place to take action sometimes, but if that's the general,

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then we're missing the opposite, which is not taking action.
I love so much you brought something up.
I don't know if anyone's brought this up before, but just like how nuanced love is.
And another thing you like really lightly touched on that I love,
pun intended, is almost kind of how, I don't want to say overused it is, right?

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But like we do kind of like simplify it, especially at least in American culture that
we live in.
I love you is thrown around like a lot and love is, it's kind of been understated and overused.
And so I think right now we are all just so deeply being encouraged to like look within
and redefine what love means.

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Right.
Because like you said, love doesn't mean buying chocolates.
Love doesn't mean, you know, like posting on Facebook or whatever it is.
Like it's so much deeper than that.
And so part of our collective like awakening is redefining what love is.
So thank you for, you know, touching on that nuance.
I would love to talk about you.
I want to, I want to share with our listeners, you know,

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who this magical galactic being sitting in front of me is.
So as much or as little as you want to share about your journey,
be it with consciousness or love or both, and kind of what got you to all of the amazing
things you're doing in the world right now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
My awakening journey happened with the 2012, December 21st, 2012 experience where everyone

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was talking about it.
Oh, shit's going to happen.
The world's going to change.
And you're like, you're still waiting.
You're like, well, shit didn't happen.
I was in the frame of consciousness at that time.
This is a really funny sidebar for our listeners that I was like, oh, the world's going to
end.
We should throw a big party and get really, you know, drunk and party.
And so like that's where I was in 2012.

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Yeah.
Marty Gris, right?
Basically, let's mess up our bodies before we go into that like sacred journey.
So for me, it was really the ancient alien conversation that really triggered me into
recognizing that I was already having these conversations, but nothing externalizing what

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was reflecting what was happening internally.
And so I had these crazy ideas.
I'm like, because I was studying religion just for fun because I was at the age where
like, you know, you're 30 and you're like, okay, is religion or spirituality and important in my
life?
I was working at Disney.
I was kind of like a top of my game, you know, doing well.
I was making games for work.

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So like life was great.
But spiritually, I was empty.
And it was like, I can do the games.
I can get paid.
But like, on my off time, what was I doing?
Playing more games, like just distracting myself from the fact that I wasn't living fully to
who I was meant to be.
And so 2013 kicked in, I started to watch Ancient Aliens because I was like, I had this idea

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because as technologists, you're like, wait a minute, if you look back at everything they
said about these gods, in today's time, it sounds like they made contact.
And if that's the case, right, how do we go back and look at our scenario and realize that like,
life is actually a lot longer than the 8000 years that supposedly

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have evidence that we are only around for, right?
Yet the planet is billions of years old, so it doesn't make any sense.
And so Ancient Aliens really kind of like got me thinking that, wow, there's a lot of proofs that
there are technologies here that we are now re-bringing, resurfacing in our timelines.

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And so I was like, you know, and I was at Disney making games and writing stories.
And story was really what I studied going to LA.
In LA, everyone's an actor, everyone's in the movies.
And so storytelling is very prevalent in that consciousness.
And so I was like, ready to leave Disney.
I was like, hey, what's the original story of the planet?

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Because clearly someone's lying about it because there are written evidence that someone wrote
a comic book, right, because I'm a big comic book fan, and it's like someone wrote a comic book in
Stones to tell us who we really are.
So I took a trip to Egypt.
And then I also was reading a whole bunch of spiritual books at the time, The Law of One,

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and all these esoteric books.
And one of them was saying that the energy went from Tibet, the spiritual energy of the
planet went from Tibet, a masculine spiritual energy, and it was converting to Peru, the
feminine Pachramama energy, right?
So I was like, I'll go start with Egypt, get my original story of what's happening on the

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planet, or if someone can tell me something, and then go to where we are going today or
tomorrow, which is Peru.
So when I left Disney, I did this kind of spiritual roundabout on the planet looking
for stories of how I fit into the grand scheme.
And so Egypt was really beautiful.
I did two weeks there.
We got to see all the major temples.

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And I was having my own experience, but I got to ISIS, the temple of ISIS at 5.30 in
the morning trying to hit that sunrise, right?
And everybody goes to their corner and just staring in front of the temple.
And then someone, some energy walks next to me, whispers, heal the land, and walks away.

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And I turn around as if someone was literally standing right beside me.
And I kind of freaked out because I had never experienced a terror audience experience before.
And it felt like someone was whispering in my ears.
And so I was like, is this a joke?
What's happening?
Like, who's talking to me?
And so that's kind of when I was like, OK, something's happening here in the temple.

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So I will pay closer attention because the first time that I was triggered.
And then fast forward, we go to the pyramids and we get to do the full go into the King's
chamber, go into their home in the chamber.
And you basically will, you say you kind of come back as a new being, right?
So I said, you know, I wake up at sports and I come back as, and I told myself, I'm going

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to bring back all of the parallel lives that I've experienced that is important.
This day, they all come back to me now.
And so that was the beginning of like what I believe was me accessing the parallel lives
of myself in the last 10 years, 12 years since I did this journey.
So my journey was like 2013, 2014, where I really went looking for evidence of my awakening

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because just being awake and being in your crazy corporate lifestyle wasn't going to
like, meet me do the work.
And so leaving corporate and I haven't been in corporate since then.
After I left Disney, I said, I'm only going to work for myself only working with people
who I believe are being conscious and trying to like bring change to the world.

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But in going to Egypt, I came back and that voice never went away.
And then I went to Peru and I did what you ma or San Pedro.
And I had a little bit of a vision where I remember myself being in Egypt, golden lights,
golden everything.

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I mean, Egypt was like made of gold.
It was really crazy.
I was at first I was like, what is a city of gold?
But there's pyramid.
And so I knew it was Egypt.
And so at the time when my psychic, she said, Oh, you've been a high priest before and you've
had to create rules for the land.
But you needed to understand power.
So you were reincarnated at every slave that was affected by the rules you made.

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I was like, brilliant.
And that's why they're like, that's why you're afraid of getting taking power.
I mean, I love you so much.
And to me, what you just said right there was like the marker of a true light warrior to
look at that moment and be like, that's genius.
Yes, I'm here for it.

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Exactly.
It's like, okay, like if you really wanted to know what kind of power you would wield,
you'd have to experience the people that would have these powers over there.
And, and, and it was actually why I have this deep resistance to leadership and power because
I've experienced what rules and laws can do to peoples.

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And so that's why I say a lot of times sometimes just not saying anything is more powerful than
saying something because by saying something, you can affect other people's consciousness
too.
And that is also karmically linked.
And so at that point, I was like, so what?
Like, what does that mean?
Like I'm, I have power, but I'm not going to use it.
And they're like, no, actually, you're afraid to use it because you don't want to incarnate

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back into all these slaves.
I'm like, yeah, obviously, I wouldn't want to do that.
And so, you know, I, even in my awakening process, I've been struggling with playing
small because I just didn't want to get caught again.
Right.
Because I think we've experienced the, the, the witch, the witch burning and the, you
know, the, the burning of the old guard who were bringing what we call ancient medicine

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or original medicines.
And so I was like, I'm not in for that game either.
So there was this part of me that was kind of playing it small for a while.
And so for the last 10 years, I was in LA.
I started my own businesses trying to start something, but I was trying to bring consciousness
into the small business in the startup world of LA, which is all transient.

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Everyone's faking it.
And I realized that like, okay, I'm clearly in the wrong space to bring consciousness
because consciousness here is just entertainment.
It is not truth.
And so at the time I was making a virtual reality game and I decided again, if we virtual reality
is a simulation of reality, we're not making gun games and everybody's like Charlie, that's

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where the money's at.
I'm like, yeah, but I didn't leave Disney to go back into the matrix and basically be
karmically tied to everyone who played my gun games.
And so I made a game out of astrology where I use astrology as the concept of you as a
character, you playing yourself.
That means that you're invested in this externalization of who you are.

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And so in making that game, I kind of make a 3D NATO chart and I basically studied my
own chart during that time.
And then realize again, it's like I'm making games for the boys audience, right?
You know, adult boys.
And I was like, this is not my consciousness group either.
And so during that time, I was like, I think I'm in the wrong place.

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And so the universe said, hey, we're going home to Houston.
I was like, wait a minute, hold on.
I didn't say I was going to go home.
I just said this is not the right place.
And they're like, go home, Charlie.
I was like, ah, and so this was the beginning of me struggling with the heart and mind disassociation
where many of us go through that where we believe our mind is stronger than our heart.

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But my heart is like, no, we already know the answers.
You just making shit up.
And I'm like, oh my God.
And so I really struggled.
And that was the beginning of actually recognizing that I wasn't listening to my heart.
And that's why I was lost in one job working for somebody else over and over again.
And this was this idea that like I did one leadership, so it was much better to service and help others than to actually help myself in the greater scheme of being a leader.

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And this is where the beginning of like my own heart chakra, my own love for myself, my own love for my own fulfillment started to like speak up now.
And it had a voice and it spot against my mind.
And she had to know I'm a Virgil stellium.
So my mind is is pretty clever in tricking me to doing shit.

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But my heart's like, uh-uh, nah, like we're Leo's here.
We're lions and we don't just sit here.
And so me going home is like Simba when he gets Mufasa.
No, I'm sorry, Rafiki who shows up and go go home and then Nala tells him, you need to go home.
You're the king of your pride land.
And you are here doing a kuna matata in LA with Timon and Pumba.

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And I was like, well, fuck, like do I have to like, and my heart just knew that like, no, this is what we're meant to be.
So I trusted my heart.
I went to Houston.
And in the beginning of that, I thought I was going to take what I learned in LA and apply it to Houston, which if you understand, Texas and Cali are very distinct, very different cultures.

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So I struggle with being in tech in Houston because there's not much tech in Houston.
It's medicine and energy.
And so for me, I was like, okay, I decided I'm just going to listen because at this point I'm talking too much, trying to do too much.
And my head's like, hey, we have a thousand things we can do.
My heart's like, shut the hell up.
You are not listening.

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It's like, okay.
And this is the beginning of actually, you know, people say this a lot.
You know, sometimes when you pray, you're talking to God.
When you meditate, you're listening to God.
And so I wasn't listening enough.
And so the universe is like, we'll take everything away until you start listening.
I was like, well, I'm listening now.
And so at that point, we had an experience with a sound bath and the the fiance of the guy who was doing sound bath.

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We were hanging out at their place and she's like, Charlie, you seem like you're open to this.
And I tell you something that I don't usually tell people, I'm like, oh, yeah, that sounds awesome.
Please tell me, you know, because I'm totally in their woo woo already.
So I love all this crazy, you know, woo woo stuff.
She goes, I see spirits.
They go, oh, cool.
And you have a spirit following you.
Oh, really?

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And now I'm like, okay, this is going crazy.
So, and I know that when you have strangers asking to speak to you from the other side, I always listen, right?
Because they found a very difficult way to reach me.
That means that I'm not listening.
So I was like, yes, I'm listening.
And she goes, that person who's following, he looks like your great, great grandfather.

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Did one of your ancestors was an acupuncturist and herbalist?
Now I was like, well, shit.
What?
So I was like, I think so.
He was an exorcist.
I don't know if he was an acupuncturist.
I didn't, and so I was thinking on my father's side.
It could have been my mother's side.
And so I was like, yeah, I don't know.

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But maybe that feel very closely related to this ancestor.
And so she's like, yeah, that's all I have to say.
I'm like, well, okay.
So I looked into it and decided that like everything was set up for me to go to acupuncture school.
So, so I was like, okay, I guess I'm going to acupuncture school.
I'm listening.

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I first, I didn't know how I was going to pull it up.
The universe like cleared my whole schedule for it.
So I was like, okay, I have to go into this space because there's something powerful here.
And my journey into acupuncture was actually me falling in love with my genetics again.
And I think I say this very specifically is, you know, I'm East Asian descent.

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I'm an Asian American.
I was born in a Western country from the French world to America and as Asian Americans during the 80s, we all were bullied for being Asian.
Right.
You know, we had the stinky food.
We had all kinds of like the way we dress.
There are accents.
And so for me, I was bullied to the point where I had to look as American as I could.

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Because apparently, if you look like your enemies, they actually leave you alone.
That's what I believe at the time that it happened to me.
So I was like, okay, great.
Let's just hide behind this American bandwagon by going to acupuncture school.
I realized that like my heritage had thousands and thousands of years of medicine that it was trying to pass on to me.

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And so when I started to really tune into it, I fell in love with the medicine.
I remember going into doing the acupuncture now sitting there going, oh, I was really done this before.
This feels very natural.
You've been putting the needles that put it in and they're like, wow, how do you know how to put needles?
I just put it in.
I didn't know there was a way to do it, but it naturally came out.

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And so that's when I realized, is this how it feels to actually live in your grand design to live your genetics?
Right.
Because too often, even today, what happens now?
And I love that America is going through the fusion of cultures.
But if you fuse too early, you miss the depth that your genetics and your ancestors are trying to pass on to you.

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And so I realized that like they were speaking to me through this medicine.
And so I took a lot of responsibilities in that because here I am, you know, being an Asian American who fought being ashamed for being Asian.
And then now I'm literally getting a degree in Asian medicine.
And so, and I remember one of my friends who had even joked about it.

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I was like, yeah, I don't know if I'm really Asian and they look at me.
Charlie, you just got a degree in Chinese medicine.
You are as Asian as you can be and you have a certification for it.
I was like, wow.
And I, that really hit me hard because like, I think before nobody would have asked what culture you come from because you would have looked at part, you would have been in your culture.

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But many of us have been displaced from our culture.
And so it's almost like I didn't love me and my ancestors and who I represented.
And of course I was like, I'm not racist. I'm not going to talk about me being Asian.
But it's me. It is who I am. It is who, where I came from.
Even my own parents speak to me in my own native tongue.

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Right.
And so for me to kind of be ashamed of that was like me not loving myself.
And that was very difficult for me to experience because I was going through all the spiritual stuff.
I wasn't a new age stuff.
I was doing the whole gamut of a lot of us that wake up and we go deep into whatever, you know, it could be either a festival.

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It could be yoga studios.
It could be getting certification in the of this.
But what happened is that I was just following spirituality again, like a religion.
And so my ancestors are like, no, right.
We were always been spiritual, just our culture spiritual or anything like go back to your ancestors roots.

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So you can love why we did everything for you to be alive today.
And that like hit so hard that I realized that, you know, and we joke around because our parents are kind of arranged marriage.
And so some of us, you know, don't know how it feels to be loved because our parents necessarily didn't love themselves.
The way that, you know, a lot of today's couples have chosen to love and marry out of love.

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We grew up with an age where you were assigned a partner and then you just made it work.
And so we believe our parents were just having kids because it was their duty as agents to have kids.
And so now I'm like waking up to realize, no, my story is a love story.
My story is Mother Earth and Father Sky fell in love and made humans.

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And then the sky people came down and say, we love what you're doing here.
Here's our culture. And so the Asian picked up their culture and this is who we are.
And so our ancestors, even, you know, my parents chose to leave Vietnam during the Communist Revolution by recognizing that communism was going to take away where we were.

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And so, and so this couple of months ago, I just went to Vietnam with my family in a cruise, you know, big cruise together and it hit me.
I was seeing Vietnam, the post-communism.
And I'm a child of that war that came from America.
And here I was dressed Asian, have the full on, you know, facial hair.

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And even my uncles and aunts are like, wow, you look like Ho Chi Minh.
I go, okay, that's the worst metaphor, guys. And go, fine, you look like the original Vietnamese guy who did Earth.
I'm like, yes, thank you. Way better than Ho Chi Minh.
But what was weird is that even my, the Vietnamese community, they were looking at me to go, wow, you look so Asian.

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I go, yeah, why aren't you looking more Asian?
Right. And so that's when I started to realize that the shame that we have for our heritage was seeping into our own culture, even in Vietnam.
And so for me to now represent, you know, my culture, acupuncture, Chinese medicine, Eastern medicine, I just felt even more love for it because now that is considered pseudoscience and barely anyone talks about it.

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It was like me trying to keep this heritage alive. And not just that, but I had the past life for it.
I had the parallel lives for it. And so if I am merging my spirituality with my life's purpose and because I am a Virgo Stelgium, we are actually built to be healers, right?

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Scorpios and Virgos tend to be like the most powerful healers because they're willing to play in the shadow realm.
Scorpios are psychologists. They love to fuck with people's minds and to fix it.
And then the Virgos, you know, I love Scorpios.
Six out of 13 Scorpio over here.
Exactly. Like, and because you're taking the medicine yourself to understand how deep this rabbit hole goes, that's how we heal. We heal from a space of field.

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And so for me, I went through the material healing of the medicine and eating better and having better vibrations.
And so that's kind of where I am today.
Even today, like I chose not to just walk around saying I'm a doctor of acupuncture.
Even the word doctor was frustrated at because of what we know doctors are doing today and their lack of integrity in the way they treat patients, right?

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So I had to even take that name back and say, no, I'm going to say I'm a doctor, but like I don't have to refer myself as, you know, the doctors of the West, right?
And so in my developing my process of being a healer, I then kind of went into, no, actually I do astrology.
I do chronic healing. I do all these other modalities on top of acupuncture.

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So I've chosen to kind of go into the wellness coach space.
Well, I'm going to help with the lifestyle changes and help you with your routines and help you with even mind frame.
Because a lot of people have the wrong perception of reality.
And so they might hate reality when in fact, reality is created for them.
So why are you hating the reality rather than loving it so much that you are creating out of love?

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And so for me, it's I'm a video game designer who realized I'm playing the greatest video game in the universe.
And when I was making VR and making suits, I'm like, wait, you're going to tell me I'm going to put an exoskeleton suit to play in a digital world where literally I'm already feeling this reality and everything is like a video game.

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Like the idea that Farmville is to teach you how to grow plants was silly to me.
Yet everyone paid a ton of money in that game.
So I was like, wait, then why are we doing this to farm?
Why are we not growing a ton of food?
Because that's the video game.
My perspective is very much a loving perspective of like this game is fun.

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And the shitty stuff that happens to us always tells me, oh, there's a gift I'm waiting to get.
A lot of people go, how come you can see things that way?
Because I always know from everything that's happened to me, there's always a gift at the end of the challenge.
So why would you ever see a challenge as a bad thing happening to you?
Because I would just like, oh, it's Christmas time.
They're like, what do you mean, Charlie?

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Like this happened to you. You lost everything.
I know, but that means everything I've lost, I will get back in a different way.
And most people don't think that way.
And that's where I want people to fall in love with their story, fall in love with your story, fall in love with the genetics.
Even if you think your parents didn't make, you know, have sex and make love to have you technically.

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And I've done this and I've talked to my family about this because my dad was there during the war.
So he many times he almost was killed, you know, a couple of like bullets grazing by his head.
And so a lot of times he would say, yeah, like something like maybe do this, do that.
And so I wasn't killed.
And I was like, and so at the time that was my sister who wasn't born yet, who was born at the end of the war.

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And I go, see, she was trying to protect you, dad, from dying because she wanted to come for you guys.
Because we wanted to come out of your genetics.
Right. And so we saw ourselves as we chose our parents to come through.
And it doesn't matter that they may not love each other now or at the time, but like that moment was made out of love so that you can come into this world.

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And a lot of people say that like, I didn't choose my parents. That's bullshit.
You chose your parents because before you chose your parents, you were spirits.
You were not a soul and you were not a body.
Right. You got the body because you helped them fall in love somehow for that day or that 24 hour period.
And so that was really important for me to experience too, because, you know, my parents are divorced.

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And so I've struggled with relationship because I had this, you know, divorce, especially Asian parents that had a divorce parents.
Right. And so even in our family, we don't talk about that because it looks bad that parents are divorced.
So there's shame all over in my, in my culture and my family.
And so for me, it's was like, how do I feel that shame because I don't feel like I chose any of this out of spite or bad karma or something negative.

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If anything, I chose all this because I love this experience.
And so that was really important understanding of really waking up first consciously and then second to choose to love consciously because, you know,
that's, that's the most important part is like, it's easy to love your, your, your significant other.

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It's easy to love your family.
It's not easy to love the one who made you lose everything, but then caused you to gain everything when you woke up.
And, and that we have to recognize that those who are villains in our stories are not always villain in theirs or vice versa.
There's some days when I'm having a bad day and I'll be feeling bad for that.

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But if I triggered someone for their awakening because that one day I felt very bad, then I should actually appreciate that that day I felt bad because I woke up some right.
And so I think a lot of people thinks that this waking up process is easy and it's fun.
No, it's the worst.
But, but it is in your ability.
Actually the worst. Yeah, it is the worst because it's right. The idea that ignorance is bliss. Yes, it is y'all.

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It is ignorance is bliss because you don't know that you don't know how to love until you lose everything and realize what it takes to life.
Right. And I think people take that, you know, they, oh, I love you because you did something good to me.
No, actually being able to say I love you because you caused me to wake up and heal myself is way more powerful because out of the pain that you're going to get,

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out of the pain that you experienced, you can still love someone for it.
And I think that's much more powerful because it just shows I love is more powerful than all the pain you can ever experience in one lifetime.
And so, even in my medicine, like it's very important that when I treat people, I treat people, I don't treat their symptoms.
Say, hey, I love you for your act.

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You know, a lot of times people judge when they, when they have patients come in and I know the counterparts of my own Asian people, you know, I've run into them and the way they speak to their patient.
I'm like, hey, just because your doctor does not give you the right to act that way on them.
You are still a person. You still have problems. Love them the way you want to be loved otherwise you can't treat them correctly because a lot of times doctors have a superior complex.

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And that's frustrating because your patients don't respect you when you see them.
You know, and I know that most every patient I was sees their doctors, but it's your doctor who's just like a friend who you can talk and tell them everything you're doing wrong is much more of an open relationship than like trying to hide it to your doctor.
They're like, yeah, I don't do anything bad.

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And then you wake up late, you go to sleep late, you do an all kind of draw, you do all kinds of that is not loving you because you're not choosing your doctor to be on your team.
You are lying to them because you believe that they're better than you so you can't show them that you're fucked up.
Right. And that was really, really hard for me because I'm like, hey, I've got a degree, but I am not better than you actually.
If anything, you know, we're both on the same journey together.

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And if I can help you with this great because I'm sure you can help me with something I don't understand.
So that's that's kind of like my journey of loving myself, loving my medicine, loving my ancestors were really very crowded these days, but they love cheering me on because, you know, they joke around and like, good, someone's wearing Asian clothes again.

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I was like, wow, okay, I love you for that because I was very embarrassed of looking Asian back in the days.
And so for me to be an adult today and be the rare Asian that's choosing to wear Asian outfits still and to represent my Asian culture.
I do feel ironically like I'm alone in this battle, which I'm not but I do feel that way because again, my not a lot of us are living from authentic genetic perspective.

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Take a breath for a second. I feel like that was a TED talk.
Really, really epic. No, I'm so serious, Charlie. You brought me to emotion so many times.
I want to respond to some things you said and then I'll let you respond and then I'll ask our next question.
Number one, like, thank you. Thank you for your work, for your light, for your medicine, for your authenticity. I knew you'd been awake conscious for a long time. I didn't realize it was 2012.

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Like that's when we really look at kind of like these awakening waves that we're currently seeing like that's like the OGs to us, you know, like we're the 2020 wave, but you know the 2012 or it's like y'all have been holding this down for over a decade.
And that's, I can't imagine, you know, I can't empathize with what that was like for you, you know, the last person we interviewed also woke up around 2012.

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And I mean, that's just like it's such a long time and I imagine now you're looking around and you're like, yes, yes, you know, we were talking about it before the episode like finally, you know, people are finally waking up like it's not woo woo, you know, it's not alternative medicine like it's the original medicine.
And so just thank you first and foremost for all that work that you've been doing and living in your truth and you know something really powerful you said that's just like at the forefront of my mind as you said like living in your grand design, right, like you weren't listening.

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So the universe will through magical and beautiful grace, which is a very divine and difficult concept to understand from our human perspective right grace just like love doesn't always look like unicorns and rainbows.
The universe will support you and strip away what is not serving your, your highest timeline or your grand design as you called it.

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And so learning to listen to that heart right listen to that and then cultivate that mind heart coherence especially but it's been such a huge part of our journey is like stripping away the things that we're doing because we think we should or because you know society says we should and all these different things and it's like, what does my heart want, you know, and and so much more.

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And so much of what you were saying, I was getting really emotional. You know I love that your journey has been so cultural and ancestral.
You know, for me it hasn't been it's been very spiritual as years has as well but like I haven't had that cultural ancestral tie.
And something you're talking about was you know just healing all of these different limiting beliefs and you know, shame and traumas but for me you know when I was called to ministry a year ago like that word.

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And just like you were saying about doctor which ironically I'm in a doctor it's programmed now so I'm going to get to heal that one too but the word minister also like, oh God like I know how people feel about that word and how I feel about that word and like claiming that reclaiming and healing that title that
I can be a minister that preaches love and faith and devotion and whatever version of source is appropriate for you being accepted you know I don't have to preach the dogma and and the fear and the hell and the shame and guilt and traditional things that some not all of the traditional you know religious system preach and so

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Thank you for just sharing all of that I think there was so many nuggets in there for people to really dig into and you know you're such a you're such a brave soul and I'm just so grateful for your light in this world and you know to have such a impactful light warrior in my life so thank you.
Yeah, thank you. One thing real quick to about the ancestral. It doesn't happen right away because there's a hierarchy of what you release to access the deeper wisdom. The first you have to realize those your own ego of what it is that you're creating that isn't fulfilling your ego.

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And then after you go to that you go to family healing you have to deal with the families that brought you into this place are bloodline related because they're resonating to your same vibration.
It doesn't matter they don't need to understand you they don't even need to know you're going through this crazy journey you just have to love them where they're at. And then when you heal that then the ancestors show up and go. Okay now that you've got through your parental issue is time that you understand your genetic line.

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And that's where I think some of us who have been around for the decade. A lot of us and a lot of, and a lot of us came together very quickly, and then we exploded very quickly too because I think many light workers had to be spread to where they needed to go.
And then all resonate in hang out in California right anything that's where everyone's left California, and they're moving to their nodes. And that's that's important because that's when like the next level of admission works happen right so great work and all that and that's why, you know, I appreciate this process because as

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I've been in it to I'm still in it and I have grace for those who are waking up and just trying to support them to because they're going to go through definitely there you know your own little issues of like the ABCs before you realize okay none of that was actually real.
Let's go past that and there's different levels that's why I love where everybody's at now.

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And for that context, my ancestors came online with ayahuasca pretty common experience and one thing you said you know we can just kind of giggle if anyone listening has history or experiences with their ancestors I call them my tears squad.
I do all the time and I conceptually obviously it's really hard to put these things into words but I experience it as just this like the old I mean there's so many of them and they're just like yes I always see this and here like yes yes you're doing it like do the

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family line healing like waiting for you, but I want to give you a chance to share some thoughts for we get into medicine.
Yeah, I mean, thank you brother for for coming on here and sharing your heart and sharing your story because we could make probably 10 episodes just lightly touching on everything that you covered in your story there.

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But one thing that really struck me was the ancestral work and overcoming of the shame in that line.
Because as a mixed Hispanic and Asian person myself.
I look like neither right.
I look very much like I was born in the US and of this culture and it's so interesting in like really sitting with you know who we are as people, especially in the US, you start to see this sort of conformity where everybody feels like we all need to fit this mold.

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And we start looking for you know the approval from external sources and we lose that connection with our inner guidance and our roots and where we came from right and when we start to lean away from pleasing everybody else and being honest and authentic with who we are.
It's insane how quickly information comes to us right because that you know when we're when we're talking about our purpose and we're talking about living from our gifts and living in our genetics.

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Those blueprints cannot be found anywhere else other than within ourselves.
And it isn't until we sit down with ourselves and start saying, who am I? Why am I here? What can I contribute to this world that this information starts to flow in?
You know, and that's when I started getting you know from my from my ancestral line like oh yeah healing.

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We know how to do Reiki. We know how to do you know Scorpio. Yeah, Scorpio, you know how to walk through the shadow land as you were talking about and do that deep shadow work for yourself so that you can learn to help others walk that journey to and be a Sherpa through that experience.
Cooking came very quickly to me, which I've tried many times and failed at cooking so many times like half half frozen salmon was one of the things I cooked her like five years ago.

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And it was interesting like when I made the commitment to really cooking for us and eating and living a healthy lifestyle. One of my ancestors from Indonesia came through to me and was like, I'm a chef and and literally downloaded into me all of this knowledge.

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We have this opportunity to break away from the molds that we've been trained to fit into in this matrix and really birth in excellence and exquisiteness into this world.
And when we start to celebrate everybody's uniqueness rather than judge one another and that starts by stopping judging ourselves right.

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We can't interact with anybody else in a in a way that's different than we're already interacting with ourselves. So when we learn to love and accept ourselves we can learn to allow other people to show up as their authentic selves to show up and be who they're meant to be.
And so thank you for having the courage to really listen to your inner guidance and show up in your full authentic heritage and your full authentic expression regardless of what other people think.

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And even in your own culture, like you were saying, there's almost like the shame and the stigma of like we can't be in our own culture because then we don't fit in.
And what a shame it would it be like the true shame isn't the shame of oh no we're not going to fit in the true shame would be losing a culture due to wanting to fit in like all of that ancestral heritage all of that knowledge like that's the real shame.

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And if we can really put importance on going back to our roots going back to this original medicine and allowing that to be birthed into this world then I think that we're going to be heading in the right direction.
Yeah, one of the things that you guys were mentioning and I've been struggling with this as much as everybody else has been struggling with it.

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The law of manifestation is a lie everybody. Actually, when you are living in your own divine code, the reason why things are attracted so quickly is because you are source.
And when you trust that you are source you are living your code, everything shows up for you. You don't have to do anything.
Right because the law of abundance works with you as already being source. And so when you are in your natural design, everything is already written for you. It's the fact that you aren't working on your natural design that you have to make up manifestations to make you feel good about what is happening to you.

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But like, you know, as soon as I like I owned what I was being and I was just walking around, I didn't go hey I'm a doctor I'm at this and that people found me and go oh I love your energy.
What do you do? I didn't sell anything yet. I was just being authentic. I was just being myself. I was just, you know, loving my experience.
And so people recognize when people love who they are because then you're like if you love medicine, you probably can help with medicine.

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Right versus like you probably meant like oh man I hate my job. I do not want to get treated by you then because if you hate your job is probably not good. Right. Versus like when you love your job you can't help it. You can't help talk about it.
You can't help like see people you know sometimes for me it's just like how do I hold my tongue because I want to give you every I want to give you a reading right now a treatment right now because I'm talking to you and then people are like Charlie.

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I didn't ask for this and I was sorry. I have to like write down because you can't help but express that energy. And so when I express that energy and that's why I was saying like everything just happened to me now.
Like I don't sit down and write manifestation journals or laws of attraction. Everything is based on like I am abundant. I am who I am. You know I'm a healer and I accept it and I love it.

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And everything clicked after that. And so that's the power that we have in natively. We don't need to take classes eight 10 hour classes of how to attract abundance to you. You are abundance and I think this is where we have to get to that point where we need to redo a lot of these concepts right because people are making tons of money out there.

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So a lot of these concepts that people keep having to pay into the system because they believe it to be true so they manifest it to be true. Right. But I don't believe that. And that's the thing that the idea of original medicine is written because from the get go source said you have everything.
Go and be like me. Right. Go and be there. What if is it the mirror we are like God because like we're image of God. Right. That means we have all their all they then our skills.

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And so I think that's very important to understand our original medicines because original medicine wasn't written during a time of lack but it was written during a time of abundance.
Well for that last sentence I just want to give that space for a second original medicine wasn't written during a time of lack it was written during a time of abundance.

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So I want to I want to dig in a little bit because let's just assume maybe listeners don't know what what we mean when we're saying original medicine right so first and foremost I love if you could kind of touch on that and I want to caveat that with you know acknowledging
I want to choose my words carefully here humanity is in a challenging time right now you know and we can look at this from many angles we can look at this from a spiritual angle you know and the ascension and purge process that's happening

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physically like we are collectively you know very unhealthy physically and and very detached from you know our food and the sacredness of our food and what we put in our bodies and so there's so much I mean you know most people want to blame the food right I feel like that's an easy thing to blame right because we don't want to take responsibility.

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Here's the thing you can eat a perfectly clean organic plant based diet. We do. And this was our case you know a few years ago and if you are not cleansing and healing the real problems which are usually trauma trauma and the body and you know energy and past lives and yada yada all these different things.
You're not going to be healthy and so we are seeing this. I don't even really honestly think epidemic does justice to it. If you have a better word I welcome it but like this epidemic of dis ease right of people that are so far outside of the center of health and vibration and frequency and the way that you know flow was intended to be in the body in all forms.

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We're so far out of that again this is generally and just general collective that we see this dis ease and people are like oh well it's the food and it's this and it's that and I have a few sneaking suspicion you know original medicine from what I've experienced.
We have had many experiences with you know Chinese medicine and acupuncture and herbs it's been honestly one of the biggest part of our stories we did a really intense I think it was like six maybe six months three four six months of doing acupuncture every week with micro dosing

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and I've been therapy and a few other things combined and that was the most profound phase of our healing I mean just kind of pulled us forward and so it's very holistic is the point I'm trying to make is the word that comes to mind.
And so I want to hear from you and your words because you are much more educated on this than I am to kind of help people understand you know what is original medicine what is you know traditional medicine and all these different words it can get really confusing.

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And how that holistically you know looks at a person because I don't want to give our listeners the impression in any capacity I want to be really freaking clear right now like the food is not the problem right this is not the problem like it's a holistic what is inside of us.
Yeah.
One thing that reminds me of a transformation of quote I did recently from an old idiom you've heard of we are spirits in the human experience.

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There's a problem with that because we've stigmatized what it is to be human.
So actually I tell people no.
We are souls having a spiritual experience.
Because we're not having a human experience because the problem is if we were having a human experience sure food would be the problem.
But if we're having spiritual experience vibration is the problem.

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And this actually goes now to a study I looked into they were feeding mice that junk food the processed sugars to the mice.
Half of the mice got fat half of your mice didn't.
So they're like hey what's happening to these mice I didn't get fat turns out the guy who was feeding them was playing with them petting them loving them before he fed them processed sugar.

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What I'm trying to say is you guys can have the conversation of eating toxins and all that.
But the vibration you create of what you're eating again love if you love what you're eating even though it came from animal you love that animal that animal before it died will feel that love.
Even if it is in the future because everything's connected and everything is sourced and God.

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We're still sending love to the animal before it died so that animal is part of me and is in my team now.
Living my perspective of reality because of the vibration is now in me it is not happening to me I am choosing to have that vibration part of me.
So I'm choosing to love because when the food is in front of me it all you want to say I love you I want you to eat me and I was like I want to eat you I love you.

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And in that moment you are breaking the karmic cycle of vibration with that said vibration vibration vibration.
So if we now go back to original medicines.
It's really funny because I say remember my favorite teacher I'm having fundamentals of TCM 101 and he's describing stuff and he goes.

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Doctor doctor how do we all know this old man go mountain he come down mountain he know everything we believe ancient aliens but it's OK different different story and I go yes I'm in the right place.
It's it is ancient aliens that has shared this because but not just that actually there is also another ability that we had before we turned it off we spoke to everything including our food including our internal organs.

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So a lot of people who say hey Chinese medicine there's no proof that you understood your organs I go you have no proof that you can't talk to your organs.
Energy follows attention this is why we meditate internally because we're moving she internally into our bodies.
So if you understand that the organs have emotions that stores your emotion you can have a conversation with yourselves right because yourself are God.

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So you're having an internal conversation with yourselves and with your organs and so in original medicine I really believe that.
Many of our ancient civilizations were seeded by galactic because they were trying to raise the vibration of the planet and really.

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I believe that there's a lot of war infections of ETS that decided hey if we can't get along because we're racially different what if we brought in one race with all the cultures all at once.
And see how they solve it right sounds like an experiment or a fun game exactly exactly right and so someone created this giant MMORPG that's going on on the planet put in a whole bunch of their you know.

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Collective consciousness and education and give it to us and so what cultures did did it because of where they're located where they're at right that's why the idea of melanin and sin color is silly because.
Your environment gave you those abilities this is why like the idea of cold plunging you notice that not a lot of dark skin people going to cold plunging.
The all the lights can people love cold plunging because why light skin people love the cold that's why they live in the north and in the Nordic people and this is why dark skin people love the sun and they don't get burned as much as.

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Light skin people genetics gives you abilities for your environment.
Same thing with like the Asian culture and so original medicines I believe are the medicines that we experience in our culture that allows us to thrive to this day.
Like we're not eight thousand years old young like it's silly to think we're only eight thousand years old throw away the carbon dating that's a giant lie.

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You know the idea even like bones like who knows when those bones were and how those bones come together right even ancient images in Egypt they were made in stone so you can just erase it and say oh no that's not how we looked.
So we have been seated by many galactic nothing this is why we're waking up to this idea that we are not just terrestrial we are galactic terrestrial beings.

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And so this original medicine has been passed down because it's so advanced it sounds like fucking magic y'all okay.
And let me tell you acupuncture sounds like fucking magic until you realize that feels like fucking magic right.
But did you know that there's a reason why in California you need physics class to take us acupuncture why this physics explain electromagnetism in the body.

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You are an electric being why why would you have iron in your blood if you're not electrical.
Right and not just that when your heart stopped what do they do they send an electrical signal to turn it back on you are electrical.
Why are all of our needles made of metal they must be metal.
Because they conduct electricity.

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What I'm trying to say is we're the most advanced vessel in the universe yet people are saying we're stupid and dumb and just cut up things that don't work.
We can regenerate.
You guys seen that with mushrooms and regenerating the brain yet Western sciences you cannot regenerate neurons lie right.

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Again original medicine give us all the skills to be divine and modern medicine education religion everything has been constantly telling us gaslighting we only use 10% of our brain.
Oh we have sin and so we need to like come to you guys to take out sin we have all these problems.

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Yet ironically like kids are born like connected to the source and it's what we do to their bodies that disconnects them right.
If anything most of the time today the greater deeper conversation of psychology is not to add good things in your life but to remove the bad things you believe are bad to you.
Right and that's why we raise our vibration by releasing negative stagnant energy.

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We do this in Qigong Reiki any energetic practices we actually will remove energy from our field.
Because it's electricity with magnetism.
So this org field is magnetic.
That's why there's proof that the oras and the chakras exist because you can measure them through a magneto scope or something that measures magnetic fields.

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Right I started to do the voltage meters on my body and then when you and when you ground your feet.
You literally have channels that go down to the bottom of your feet and they send excess energy down to the ground.
Because a lot of times most of us have upper chakra problems because we're overthinking and we're not using our bodies to think for us.

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Right people think that thinking happens in the brain it doesn't happen only in the brain.
You have a gut instinct so that's part of your brain and you have neurons in your heart part of your brain.
So technically your whole body is actually processing information and that is the real power of spirit.
It's using your whole body to do inputs not the brain who is connected to all of these five senses.

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That's why clear audience clear abilities all are somewhat org fields.
And I do this because when I do look at astrology I will tell you what elements are connected to and go you probably have these two clear abilities right away to go how do you know this.
And I would ask them to go yeah I do that your clear abilities are on because it's spiritual it is not just physical.

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Right and so original medicine used to look at the mind body spirit and emotions as one holistic body.
So when we do talk about original medicine and I use original medicine because a lot of people call it indigenous native medicine and I think we're moving beyond just because indigenous we tend to think about Native American but there's native French native Asians native everything.

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We all come from somewhere where our genetics did really well.
We're all now modern day migration of humans and because of that it's easy to lose sight of what our genetics brings our genetics has the entire textbooks.
Right we just have to understand that you were able to go I want to go into cooking and when you made that conscious connection your genetics opened up and your genetics opened up.

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And now your ancestors feel your genetics open up and they get a beacon. They go hello. Oh it's my nephew he's learning how to cook.
Let's go and send him some help because he called me from his genetics because before you weren't conscious about it you were just doing it because you had to feed yourself.
And you realize no food is my medicine. Let's trigger it. Your genetics happened. Your ancestors got called and that's why you're having this more conscious experience.

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And I think the word conscious to like love gets thrown too much. I'll be more conscious. It's a conscious that you is really hard to be fully conscious because everything you do you're not allowed to take yesterday's perspective into account because then you're no longer being conscious.
This is why a lot of times when we create habits you're like oh I just did that because I'm so used to it. You're not being conscious at that moment you still have to decide whether you're going to do it or not.

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But those people who say I know this is bad food for me but I don't have time to cook so I'm just going to keep eating it.
You are choosing consciously to eat the bad food because you're choosing not to change that and calling it a bad habit doesn't take away the fact that you're conscious of this bad habit.

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That's why loving consciously is not easy. It is one of the hardest things but that's why I felt like the gods like hey you guys are spoiled. I'm going to take love away from you and how easy it is to love.
See what it feels like not to have love and we all experienced this for the last 12,000 years. Since Atlantis blew up we have not really experienced love the way source has wanted to love us.

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Just like a parent who is teaching that kid to not spoil that kid they're biting their tongue bleeding because they can't say anything because they love their child so much they're choosing not to say something because that child has to learn something.
This is us here down here on the planet. God loves us but he's crying so hard because we repeat patterns that we know better and we go God can you fix me.

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God's like I send you people all the time but you're choosing consciously to say no this bad habit is more important than me choosing to change it.
That's why it's very important that original medicine to me is like how we genetically were able to survive till today.
That's why all of us because we followed original medicine this is why there's billions of us because today with the food we're eating with medicine with the living arrangement you guys notice we have a down rate of birth.

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We're not having more babies we're not having more children that means we're actually not we're stagnating our culture and we're killing ourselves because we don't believe that our children can be the hopes of our future.
Because we are causing pain in our life that we're like why are we bringing children right is because we're not loving our experience and I think that's why original medicines need to come back because modern medicine has been censored for many lifetimes.

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Now I don't think it's just the west the west originally even when I did my studies for acupuncture they told me read how the Greeks used to study medicine what they study the same shit we did exactly the Greeks used to both follow the four humors the four elements poop, pee, spit and blood which we pay attention to in TCM and that's how we judge your patterns of disease.

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The West the Greeks did it. So why today does the West not take into account is because of the censorship bastardization of our culture and the communists did that to us in the Asian culture so I do believe there's been many censorship of the original medicines and that's why today, while we go back to acupuncture and herbs and they still work, because our genetics hasn't improved that much because we actually are outsourcing everything.

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That's why our genetics is evolving.
That was a really, really profound and beautiful description of original medicine. Thank you for that. And I literally like someone I don't know wants this to be said on this episode.
I just kept hearing like we are the original medicine we are the original medicine and and also love and that's definitely the last question.

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You know I want to get into and just hear your perspective on love as the original medicine. Like when when you're talking about acupuncture especially I, I we mentioned it but for me, you know my experience in kind of waking up and remembering original medicine and all of these different things was you know this, this acupuncture

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experience of like kind of desperation of you know hey I'll try it and it just happened to coincide with you know psilocybin therapy we were doing and it was, I don't even think I could find the words ever to do justice to the profound metaphysical,
spiritual, ancestral experiences that I had in that in going into my cells into my body and like finding the trauma finding the distortion finding the whatever it may be the toxins sometimes and like removing it like consciously myself like moving it in and out and through

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this year you know my journey, the activation for me has been around this and I don't think you and I've had a chance to talk about it much but like I had a severely infected cystic, we know at least five upwards of eight year old root canal that was found in my mouth.
And I obviously had it surgically removed like two days later and in that experience I was like well I don't do traditional Western medicine anymore and I'm not talking that I think it has a place as does everything but for me personally it was like that's just not an option you know I don't have health insurance

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and or what I ever pay for health insurance and I'm really on this traditional medicine my doctor at that time was my acupuncturist. And so through that experience you know I did my own plasma they like created my own plasma from drawing my blood and injected it and so did in there.
And then I did you know oregano oil and be properless and all these different herbs and just conscious awareness like I just consciously chose to be healed and to live in the vibration of being healed. And when I tell you I mean miracle doesn't even describe like it miraculously healed

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I mean in days I was where most people would be in a month and within you know my one month kind of check up like the bone was already fully grafting and I didn't do a bone graft you know I did that on my own.
And then I had some liver stuff come up and that was a really ancestral spiritual experience which is when I really learned you know the anger and the emotions being tied to the organs and working with you know milk this on all these different things and having an ascended master come to Eric and like give me a new liver

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which is a whole other story but and then I broke my foot well I didn't think it was broken my acupuncturist did this really cool tuning fork test and he was like definitely broken.
But yeah and I mean what would have been probably like six months off my foot, you know I was learning to walk it like week nine week 10, and I did all of that with like traditional Chinese medicine bone set herbs and Reiki like so much Reiki I mean I would lay in bed, and it was bone crushing pain right and I would consciously and you know envision

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myself putting my bones back together and so I share all these examples with that with the listeners because like this is the power of original medicine this is the power of our medicine of our consciousness of living in the vibration of love like had I not been so
focused this year on love I mean it's everything it's everything we do right like obviously with the show but had I not been in the vibration of love as much as I was not perfect and using these original medicine techniques and my consciousness all three together.

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And I watched miracles happen and what I was told in that it was confirmed in my astrology and by Rachel who I know you know as well of is like, I'm really being called this year to remember that I can heal myself.
You know, I don't need any medicine like I'm the medicine, like when you really integrate that profound stuff but for me something, I would love to give you a chance to respond but I really want to dig in on this last section on love and the power of the medicine

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that is love. Yeah, I mean, the these original medicine modalities are beautiful in that they are tools, right, their tools and modalities, they are not a pill that we take to make something go away.
You know, it's deeper systemic healing that we're able to do using these modalities. And I would encourage people who are open to or starting to explore these modalities like acupuncture or Reiki or herbs or crystals or whatever whatever resonates with you that we don't approach the healing with original medicine

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from the same mindset that we would from the Western medicine and that we're going to acupuncture for them to fix me with needles, right, or we're going to the crystals. Hey crystals, help me, help me heal.
Do the thing. This one's for anxiety. Great. I'm just going to hold it and you're going to take away my anxiety. I'm never going to have to deal with it.
Giving the power away.
Right. That's the same thing about giving your power away and living from that victim mentality.

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What these modalities offer us is an opportunity to do the healing work ourselves to go into our house and rebuild, right, and remodel kind of the parts of ourselves that are needing a facelift or that, you know, the floorboards are kind of coming up and are rotted out and we need to go in and do that and acupuncture is the hammer and healthy food is the paint and you know, whatever it may be.

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This is obviously an analogy, but like we have to work with these medicines consciously with our awareness when we started acupuncture.
There was results. There was healing that happened.
And there was a distinct moment for myself when I started to consciously go in to each session with an intention and a focus saying I'm working on this. Please, you know, put the needles here. This is what what the intention is.

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And these little antennas sticking out of my body, right? It's like a direct connection to source and and God's like, Oh, great, I can come in and boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. And it was almost like a conversation with God.
And each one of these sessions was unique and different in that I was able to really work on and release really deep patterns within myself.

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And that's what all these plant medicine, any any modality that we work with, we co create our healing.
And that is the most important thing I can think of to share on this is just like we have to take ownership of our own healing and co create with all of the opportunities that are around us.

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You'll love this Charlie, our acupuncturist, by the way, he's you're gonna love this. He's actually it's master love because he has his masters and his wife is doctor love their last name is love.
Wow, that's cool.
Yeah, the acupuncture office I have to shut this out is love acupuncture. It's in Portland, Oregon, where we used to live and I mean we're friends now we have this number we just text him hey can we come in and we have that relationship now but he jokes like we were his favorite

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patients you know and he got to see us go through a massive journey he I'll never forget the day he was like the darkness has finally left your chi like it's it's finally you know that that's not there anymore but we were the ones I mean as we do with everything I'm sure you've
got to know us by now we're full send kind of people and so I was like I want you to stick needles in my ovaries I want you to stick needles in my neck I want you to stick needles in my liver in between my toes like whatever it was you know I'm like just there's there's no

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yeah yeah we did the shock therapy with him to yeah but anyways we're off topic acupuncture is amazing and you know it makes me a little sad I want to say this for listeners because I experienced this a lot we experienced a lot we say acupuncture to people and they're like
now I tried it I didn't do anything it was stupid like or oh it's gonna hurt and I think there's just like so many misconceptions and it's that key piece of like you're not just like limp laying there saying okay stick the needles in me and fix me like that's why you didn't

(01:14:33):
experience anything or it could be why I shouldn't you know claim other people's experiences but so maybe give it another chance like if you've done some form you know herbs acupuncture reiki who breakies changed our lives some form of alternative traditional original medicine
give it another chance because as your consciousness grows you have more capacity to connect with that so just that offering for listeners but Charlie I would love on our last question here to hear from you any thoughts you have about all that but you know love is the original medicine

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what do you think about that and what do you think about you know offering to our listeners like all of these things are great consciousness is great and these modalities are great and it's all wonderful but love is at the core of everything we are right like God is love we believe the fabric of the universe is unconditional love and so is love the original medicine what do you think

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yeah I really think it is and I wanted to actually summarize everything you said because it's also one of my big push to to share in my own YouTube channel about why I am a doctor and one of the things I tell the bullet time is I'm not fixing you I'm not healing you I am just reflecting the healing that's ready for you to experience

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because technically I may know where to put the needles but it is actually the electricity in your body that's turning your mind off so that your body can start healing right but a lot of times you actually need to love yourself enough to stop outsourcing your healing to somebody else
right and so even in like trusting that your body is healing a lot of people don't believe that that's why they go to people like doctors and go hey fix me because I don't want to heal myself right and I'm not just paying you to like heal me and that's the losing your power

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and I think being able to love yourself is the first process self love is very important because a lot of these diseases are actually because we are shamed into not loving ourselves we already have an entire religion that talks about you were born with sin so obviously how can you love sin
so right away that medicine of love is gone so many of us parents are not are working when our children are born so are the parents really showing up for their kids you know and so if anything like we've lost this ability to feel love not to say the word love but just to feel it

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and to be able to recognize what that feels like for ourselves right because it is most of the time when I do find people coming in yes they're at the end switch of medicine and that's when they're actually starting the process of healing those who are told
I'll go check them out because somebody told them that they can heal that because if he'll be in that person they won't believe it and they won't get the same effect because belief is important right because it's energy that's moving in your body and so a lot of times people people who are desperate will believe anything

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right and that's why you're kind of getting the last ditch effort effect rather than I love this medicine and I believe it can work so I'm going to find the right doctor who is going to put the right needles so my body can go through the healing process
when we put needles we usually see what kind of deficiency access problems you have your body's energetic field electricity current goes through your whole body every 20 minutes okay so really putting needles down and then after 20 minutes the entire circuit hit all your channels and will hit the needles that were there

(01:18:20):
anytime it hit it will record and go hey we have something that needs to get triggered and so we'll trigger that somewhere else and then they'll keep going so after 20 minutes of hit every needle and your body will say hey we just got called that these four things are having issues everybody go and deal with it
your body is doing that your body is intelligent it knows what it needs to do and so the more you love your body the more your body would do it so many times that we heard ourselves especially now that it's getting called to be like hey don't go out there you're going to get sick don't say you're going to get sick

(01:18:54):
your whole body's heard that and go we're going to get sick oh shit and then they all go into fire or flight and then the whole body goes into like haywire it goes what happened I thought we were getting sick the body doesn't know you're you're messing around right it doesn't know how to take a joke because it sees your vibration
and so it's super important to speak no my body is healing and it is healed and then when you tell that the energy the connection will trigger and that's why loving yourself and self love is super important as we are moving to the age of requires where we are supposed to help each other and do stuff

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the problem is if you haven't dealt with your own bullshit you're going to just project that bullshit onto somebody else and you're now going to be the people who spread bullshit like in our old generation of Pluto and Aquarius where we wanted someone pay someone to deal with our bullshit right like hey doctor I don't want to deal with this I'm going to pay you to deal with my bullshit
you just projected your shit onto them because you're not loving yourself enough to do the work for yourself to realize that to figure out is food a problem is me working 80 hours a week a problem is me not loving my family and feeling shame for it my problem

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right and that's why you don't have people paying attention to their mental stability the emotional stability and the spiritual stability if we were loving ourselves enough we will recognize these were still my spirit my emotion and all that and so the more we're in tune with that the more you'll listen and then the body will go we want an acupuncturist

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it's not your mind that's saying it's your body that will recognize it and that's why once only you see an acupuncturist your body will start shaking your right brain going oh we know we're finally connected right and so it's you loving yourself enough to go no today
I say it all the time one sort of medicine is like an abusive relationship no I don't care that they beat me every day and I have blood out of my orifice is every day because I took this pill I trust that more than like some crazy person out there who just putting needles into me right

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and again it's it's possibly marketing for us we should be saying we're healing you and actually we don't we say that we can offset the balance of your patterns because you are showing up in balance patterns so we'll put the needles there to rebalance you and then we walk away the rest is done after we put the needles out
and the body goes okay we know how this feels like in balance and we're going to rebalance ourselves so why the reason why people who are way more involved in their health get way better reflection of their healing because they love themselves enough to experience the healing effects

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if you notice people who actually keep taking prescriptions you listen to how they feel about their body always negative and that's Masaru Imodo again the power of water and water has memory the thoughts you send to your body
it records it and the more negative energy it records it creates mildew in the body and mildew looks like cancer and that's why I believe that most of our cancers are vibrationally created because we don't love ourselves enough to change the vibration of this mold that we're creating called cancer

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so I do believe love is the most powerful medicine because the entire experience is created because Mother Gaia, Father Sky family love and created beings on the planet and that's the most beautiful love story I experienced
as much as I love my parents I get that my parents are just biological parents right but on this planet and in this experience the power of Father Sky and Mother Earth so beautiful that it gave us all of our abilities and everything to experience

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and so the more we tune in to our own love for ourselves and that's why self care is important in this time especially we have full moon in Aries everybody we have the North node in Aries it just says that your identity and your perception and your who you are
and that's why I do astrology because I tell people hey you're a tourist rising your body is much more earthy you need to resonate with the earth element to love yourself enough to heal yourself with that earth element right because you'll love earth if you're an earth sign

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and people are like I don't believe that do you go out in nature no well then how can you love earth if you're not even hanging out in nature right and you know we've always had this conversation that a lot of people aren't in nature so they're not recognizing their abilities like even people who are water
like both of you guys you guys should be doing that's constantly that's a way better way to heal the water element in your body because you're water element and so naturally you will psychically connect to the water vibration and work with them so if you pour water to water clear my energy

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the water knows you because he recognizes itself right you are water Pisces and Scorpio so they're going to recognize that it's important know yourself to know how to heal yourself so that you can fall in love with yourself and once you do that you already healed because the healing would just again be attracted to you because it recognizes that you're healed

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so it will send you the people that are here to reflect the healing for you to experience I just had an image of air sign sitting with a fan heal me heal me
I mean fire signs are just going to sit in the hot coals yes I yes I've been told a few times ago Charlie you need to go beer for around a fire Mike okay and after I came back on the fire I go I feel amazing because for me as a fire science and I've been you know when people say love and let it go yeah but I like the

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shadow because I need fuel for my fire I need the shit to burn so I love dark things that's why my people like I don't like to be dark so then you're probably not accessing the shadow transformation because shadow transformation is fired fire will transform things that need to die to turn back into the earth but it uses that as fuel

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so you can't have fire without negative things you need to transmit and that's why shadow or negative energy are have a purpose in our life still and so the more you love yourself like your elements and more you will actually vibrate to that elements
yeah that's really potent stuff one of our favorite things to do is just sit there for hours and stare at a campfire together usually in silence we just we just sit there and receive that medicine and the contemplation which is something we do a lot these days but thank you for for touching on that and sharing that like I love so much that you equated

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creation and all that is to like a love story you know between I want listeners to know like when we say father and mother and we're talking about energy right like it's you know it's all energy and and you can use whatever words work for you it's all celebrated and welcomed here but I love that like the the original love
story right and you know when we were deep deep in in our awakening you know I remember it clears day and it just it was a really profound meditation complete leaving of the body and it just loving consciously like it came to me I saw it and I literally heard a voice like your whisper and it said it's a podcast now and I what I heard was you know loving

(01:26:32):
consciously it's a podcast and then now go teach them how to love and I like came out of my meditation and I was like me like what do you mean like you know and it's been this journey of you know coming back to all things you know spirituality and consciousness and ancestors and plant medicine and original medicine
and all of these things but the key piece and you know something that I love about what we are being given the opportunity to create in the show is everything we've been able to tie back to love right like we've had people who are you know like Ryan Sprague with conscious cannabis and you with original medicine

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and Rachel with astrology which you also do astrology but just these people that are just like so in their grand design of something and we all still to this day you know double digit guests on the show we all come to the end of the episode and we're like but it's all love you know
and it all means nothing without love you can have all of those things in your life and without love we have nothing we are nothing right like because creation and earth and and humanity and source God creator like it's all a big love story and so thank you Charlie for being here for sharing your

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perspectives there was so much in this and I just really encourage listeners to explore these things like whatever you know whatever stood out to you like dig into that further and I'd love to give you space
both in this episode it'll all go in the show notes and then you a space to share your last thoughts but where can people connect with you what are your offerings and you know tell us about cosmic labyrinth and and all the different things that you're doing and you have your YouTube channel

(01:28:14):
please plug all of those fun things so our listeners can connect to you. Yeah, yeah, you can find me on YouTube Dr Charlie Trin the self healing journey and that's also on Instagram as cosmic trinity LinkedIn Facebook and all that, but the idea of cosmic labyrinth was taking my journey of astrology
further and what if like this whole experience was a giant video game and astrology is how you are put into your grand design so just like in Harry Potter where you get the Gryffindor the slither in you know house our astrology puts us into our house as well.

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And so we have taken the love that we have for our element to go and do eco therapy into the world so it's kind of like if the captain planet kids grew up and started a business that will be us.
We go to the four elements and so you know I do a lot of astrology and teach people like hey you're a superhero.

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The earth needs you what are your gifts of people like I don't know what is your strategy you are this this this so these elements we can find them in what's missing here right and usually we were looking always for regeneration of land regeneration of
lakes or palms or any water ways we love regenerating so right now we're we haven't touched energy just because energy is a big conversation. We're always really trying to go back to how our ancestors but our original civilizations connected to the four or five elements, you know that creates everything

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and that's how we're going to access and talk to these beings in spirit and that's where we're going to have this deeper spiritual connection to source because sources and everything so the more we see nature the more we're getting mother earth to talk to us father sky to talk to us.
And in that story the cosmic labyrinth is just like a giant game expression of our reality and so we have quest for people to try out to go and help out communities and need more hands on farming, because in this evolution of the where in age, we're no longer going to have

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industries or leaders or corporations are running anything is going to be us the regular people coming together so we found a way to decentralize finding you know groups of people who can go hey, we have all this like soil that's not being properly supported and some people are asking for help there.
Let's all go there and so we can all go and support and then we have music and we play so we bringing the arts together because we believe that art and music was meant to be around the stuff that we consider work, but working on the land is not work, it is actually having communion with mother guy right and so that is kind of our

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relationship with mother earth and father sky is our strategy access gives us access to our relationship with that.
So that cosmic lab rent.world everybody.
And I will put all of this in the show notes.
Anything you want to add before I close this out. Yeah, I mean, I just I love so much that you you were able to take your video game design background and be able to bring consciousness to it and bring you know this different perspective of like what.

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How can we capture all of our brothers and sisters who have been trained by by this matrix you know myself included for many years to go and externalize our growth right into these worlds into these fantasies into these characters of like, oh I want to go and I want to grow
grow grow grow grow grow grow here and I've reached the end okay and you go find something else to stimulate me and you can find something else to your portal my energy and attention into it's like what if we put that energy and attention into growing ourselves.

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And like you said you know this we're living in the most beautiful video game that ever existed like this world is magical and we have the capacity to grow ourselves to be the best version of ourselves that we can be, you know, and we all have our own
characteristics and our own intuition and knowledge and gifts. And like you were saying, you know, it really changes the perspective of how we navigate through this life because when we can see the challenges in our life as I'm going to get the treasure chest at the end of that you know I'm going to get that new skill I'm going to get that new tool that new item whatever

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it may be, we move from a place of suffering right of experiencing these challenges of suffering to experiencing gratitude, like thank you God for this experience of losing everything, because now I get to build from the ground up, or I get to learn this

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from which now helps me push forward even further on the next go. And it's like this dance that we have with the divine of constantly growing and evolving our souls, and together building the most beautiful world that we can build.
And at the core of it is this medicine of love like thank you very much for bringing it back to that to that self love. And the next step from that self love is loving other people unconditionally, you know that has been probably the most potent medicine in our

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relationship has been the medicine of unconditional love of being able to see your partner, or your friend, or your family member, or your patient in the light of their experience of everything that they're expressing, the good, the bad, all of it.
And to be able to meet them with unconditional love, like we meet ourselves with unconditional love that is found the healing for our brothers and sisters. And so remember that that love is meant to be shared, not just to be given to ourselves but to be like that same level of love

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means to be given to everyone. And that sanctity of the word love like really sit with, what does love mean because we say, oh yeah, I love fries or I love, I love, I love to marry it or run right yeah it's like,
what is love love is the power to radically accept somebody as they are and love them as they are to allow them to see themselves and authentically express themselves where they would normally have the fear to do that.

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And you know, it's by loving one another that we can all step forward into the light and be like, this is who I am. This is what I was meant to do. Great. I love you. Thank you so much for bringing that into this world. Here's what I, here's who I am. Here's what I'm meant to do.
And we can all build together from there.
Yes, yes, exactly. Is the power of our love for ourselves that will have abundance to give to others. A lot of times people do not love each other because they hate parts of themselves. And so that will get projected versus, you know, and that's why I love astrology.

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You want astrology told me how unique I was. I loved my chart and realized I should love everybody's chart because if I can love my chart, I would love your chart too. And that's when I really healed my own aspect of loving other people from loving myself truthfully like really honestly.
Think a lot of people say I love myself and people don't realize what that means. No, it's when you're crying, you're hurting, you're bleeding and you go, Oh, I love myself for having this experience. And you really believe it.

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Because once that happens, you'll really see everybody like a version of yourself and that gets us closer to God. That's closest to the fact that I see God in you because God is in me. And I love that part of myself.
And I am abundant. So I am passing this abundance to you. And that's where we're really meant to be in the age of a crisis. We're all just giving our abundant love because we already learned to love ourselves.

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And that's I think is the greatest medicine that we again need to heal that love for ourselves first because I don't think most people are acting from it. People are saying it like you said, people can say the word I love myself.
But do they feel the love for themselves is the more powerful.
Yeah.

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Yeah. So so potent. Thank you, Charlie. Thank you for being here. I'm so grateful for you for your light for your love for your friendship.
I love that I have friendships in my life where I can close out and say this but I can't wait to be back in Texas so that you can stick needles in me and genuinely fantasizing about it and looking forward to it.

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I could really use the macupuncture right now. So I can't wait for that. But thank you Charlie listeners connect with Charlie check out his YouTube. Check out his Instagram. I love your I love your content.
It's so well rounded and as with most of the people we keep in our circle very positive very helpful. Right. We're not about doom and gloom here like we have the power we have the power to change we have the power to choose love always.

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And we really are like living through it right now like the moment of human history like it's I mean I can conceptually spiritually and energetically feel like the infinite amount of souls that are like let me put me in let me go down like to be on earth right now.
A soul is experiencing like a once in an eternity thing and so you know cultivate that gratitude come back to these original medicines come back to your own medicine your own self love and we're all going to get there together in the end.

(01:38:08):
It's already happened we're just watching it play out. Exactly. Charlie thank you so much. Thank you so much.

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