45: Here for the Love Ft. Joel & Yerasimos: a conversation about love, truth, and the power of authenticity

In this episode we are have our first podcast mashup as we are joined by Joel and Yerasimos from the Here For The Truth Podcast! From exploring the meaning of truth to diving deep into relationships and authenticity tune in for two new authentically unfiltered perspectives on this and more.

We leave you in love with this offering for contemplation: are you here for the Truth? 🤍

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Connect with Joel on Instagram @ joelrafidi and Yerasimos @ _yerasimos

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Find all of Joel and Yerasimos offerings including coaching, readings, and their free community at https://hereforthetruth.com/

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Episode Transcript

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Truth and love are inseparable, right? There is no love without truth. There is no truth without love in most cases

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The better better question is not what is truth
But what is not truth because it's a lot easier to discern what is not truth
I just think self-knowledge is the foundation of all knowledge and so, you know, do you know who you are?
Do you know this gift of life that you've been given like a relationship is probably the greatest teacher?
I primarily know myself and probably the most important lessons that I've learned in my life have come through the vessel of

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Relationship we just keep choosing each other every day. It's not always perfect
And then we deal with things as they come up all in all it's like we've chosen
Partnership we've chosen this container and so what do we do to nurture that on top of each individual doing what they need to do
To nurture themselves and take care of themselves
You have to value growth more than you value comfort. It's okay to struggle

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It's okay to go two steps forward and one step back. It's okay for things not to be perfect once it feels harder to love
That's when the work of love really begins
Welcome home to the loving consciously podcast. My name is Ameris and my name is Eric and if you are like us
Nobody taught you how to love

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We are best friends and life partners here to vulnerably and authentically share our journey while exploring the sacred realms of love
consciousness
Relationships spirituality and all that they encompass the intention of this show is to help you consciously relate to yourself
Others and everything else in this universe together
We can embody a more intentional and fulfilling way of giving and receiving love loving consciously through eight years together

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We have had the opportunity to overcome deep patterning and programming as well as trauma related to mental health addiction
pregnancy loss
Infidelity and immense grief after six years of experiencing these challenges with no knowledge on how to heal or love each other
We separated after as both spiritually awakening and recommitting
We formed our conscious partnership and have spent the last two years cultivating a divine union founded on unconditional love

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devotion and commitment to personal growth thank you for joining us and doing the work alongside us as we explore this beautiful
World of love and consciousness to co-create a new world of love as you courageously walk this path
Remember to have grace with yourself and know that you have both the capacity to love consciously and the power to always choose love

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Namaste and welcome back to the loving consciously podcast
We are so excited today. We have our very first mashup with another incredible podcast
We are so excited and honored to have Joel and you're awesome us
I hope I got that right here with us from here for the truth
Which is an amazing podcast that I will let you to describe because you're gonna do a much better job than I would

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But welcome both of you to the show and we love it if you could just tell us a little bit about who you are
What you do and maybe about your podcast
Joel why don't you kick us off? I'll kick us off. Sure. Oh
No worries. Yeah, I'm Joel Rafidi. I guess
We started here for the truth in the beginning of 2021
Obviously, we've been both on our individual journeys for me things started shifting around 2015 and then another catalyst in 2020

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But yeah, basically very synchronistically met your asmos realized we were aligned
In so many areas of our lives. We both wanted to start a podcast. We both wanted to share a similar message
We both want to have conversations with other people and yeah here for the truth is basically about thinking thinking for yourself
And becoming who you were born to be and we firmly believe that every single human being on this planet

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Has a unique purpose that is uniquely theirs, which is meant to unfold in their life and
And we think well, I'll speak for both of us that like the primary goal and objective of this experience is to cultivate and nurture
that unique purpose and bring it forth and
build the internal qualities and
Learn the tools necessary for you to be able to walk the truly authentic path

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because there's
So much conditioning at play so much programming so many ways in which we've been
Taught to act against ourselves act against our self our own self-interest and not even know about ourselves and know who we are on a
Deeper level and so yeah, ultimately we here to inspire others to walk their authentic path and I think that's the path to true fulfillment

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Well said bro, I don't really have much to add except I love being a human being
I love experience every
Experiencing everything that life has to offer
I've been on a personal development path for a I would say a good amount of time probably starting in the in the mid
I would say after I graduated college actually in 2002, but things that really got me

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Curious about the bigger picture was obviously 9-11 hit me hard
I was and I was a junior in college at that time and then once all the stuff started coming out initially
Around 9-11 it got me curious and then I had one of my first acting mentors
I was just I was an actor and a in a previous aspect of my life
He was a big questioner of things and he had turned me on to dr.

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Carrie Melissa's autobiography dancing naked in the minefield and dr.
Carrie Melissa's individual won a Nobel Prize for PCR and PCR was used as the I guess the backdrop of all the false cases during
During COVID which of course he had spoken out against Fauci and the establishment for a very long time
So that got me really curious about the ancestral relationship between the scientific community the mainstream media

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government
Allopathic system etc and then from there on I just kind of you know kept pulling at the threads
We've been really into personal development
psychology
And just supporting people to you know stop bullshitting themselves and live a better more full life
I think that's what it comes down to like where are you bullshitting yourself in your life?
Where are you lying to yourself? Are you real as fuck or are you not real as fuck?

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And I think that's where it needs to start
And if a person can't even go there and take responsibility and accept where they're at then, you know, where's that path?
Take them after that. So I love Joel. He's a brother to me. I love what we've created the last three and a half years
We're just getting started
And it's amazing to connect with you know similar minded people

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You know, I wouldn't say like we all share all the same views but similar minded people and build
Amazing communities where we honor our individuality first and foremost and then of course respect others as well
And I think that's how we're forward in life
And I think the biggest area of growth and we I think it's evident today
The day after the election is that we still live in a very emotionally immature

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Society and a highly dysregulated society and so the real work that's needed has to happen on a somatic and and
And emotional level to move move the needle forward
I love I love how you like. I don't have anything to add except
He's
No, that was yeah, that was really funny. I was thinking that too Joel. No, that was beautiful both of you

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You know, thank you so much for being here once I get started sometimes, you know
I'm like, oh good. You're born to be a podcaster. I can tell
Well, you know, we're here for the truth and you know to us the highest truth is love and I love so much that you brought up
Authenticity it's something you both talk about a lot in your content
And really what made me fall in love with you listening to you speak at music and sky

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It's something we're really passionate about on the show. That was kind of the core of our
Journey and waking up was like really sitting down with I don't even know who the hell I am or what I believe like everything about me is a lie
Or a projection or what I was told to believe and so like deconstructing that I love that you brought up the election
This is being recorded the day after and I'd love to get into that

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But before we do we have an intro question that we ask all of our guests on the show
You can either one of you that wants to go first, but we ask everyone what does loving consciously look like in your life?
Well, the two words that come up for me is truth and discernment
I don't think you can you obviously you cannot
truth and love
Inseparable right there is no love without truth. There is no truth without love

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And so truth has to be the foundation of loving consciously of building any authentic relationship of you know
Yielding fruit from any connection that we have in our lives
But at the same time I think that can be taken to an extreme where it's like
The truth whatever truth i'm feeling internally within me at any given moment in time just needs to be blurted out and put out on the

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Table that's the only way to move forward and so I think there's the sermon and awareness that's required of ourselves and of our inner worlds
And of our emotional nature as human beings in order to cultivate the truth in a loving way
Each moment each circumstance each relationship requires
a different
Presentation or a different a different way to convey the truth like an ultimately

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The goal of loving consciously is to connect to the other person so through understanding ourselves
And understanding that the other person then we're able to convey the the truth in a in a more loving way
What do I think loving consciously means well, I think you have to have a high level of self-awareness

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You just have to and you have to be attentive
Uh and aware of others
Also, you know because there is always this interpersonal dance
That's happening. I think you have to understand have a deep self understanding and knowledge of the human psyche and
interpersonal psychology to some degree. This is my view

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I think you have to have done work to create some balance within your own
And have build greater capacity within your nervous system because if your partner says something to you and you have all these old wounds
You haven't faced or dealt with or if your body just isn't in a healthy state
Then how are you going to react?
You know, but even so even if you are in a place where you're bickering and you're arguing and you're having these moments

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How do you repair? I think repair has to be a real important element of loving consciously
It's not about roses and rainbows and butterflies and everything being great and love and light and oh my god
We're fucking, you know on cloud nine all the time. It's like how do you communicate and when things don't go ideal, you know in quotes

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You know what happens afterwards, you know, do you take responsibility as an individual?
Does your partner take responsibility and then when each person takes response response responsibility
And maybe has stepped away and has self reflected and has gone to a place that's maybe like not as triggered
How do you come back together and dialogue on the things going on to add to what Joel said?

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Like those are some things that I think are important around loving consciously
Yeah, my my favorite definition of love is by the psychological
psychologist M Scott Peck and he said to love is to be interested in the development of another's spiritual being right?
And so like what are the things that that move that needle forward?

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I love that and you know, that was that was a beautiful ad you're awesome
I was thank you for the very little bit that you added there
You know something that really
Sit out to me in both of y'all's responses is this kind of fundamental basis of
truth and authenticity

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because what I'm hearing is that first we have to be honest with ourselves to even
Kind of broach the understanding of ourselves
and then
Authenticity is living from that honest place and being able to communicate that with others
And if we can be honest with ourselves and the people that we are in relationship with whether that's romantic

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Whether it's friendly whether it's familial
Then that's where the healing happens. That's when those repairs happen is when we can actually
Speak from an authentic place of truth with a desire to return to love
It makes me think so much like I was hearing in my head our motto here
You know our motto is awaken heal love right like first you have to wake wake the hell up right and to like remember who you are

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Or even realize oh my gosh like I'm living in this
You know matrix in authenticity. We can use so many words and then like you said repair right you have to like heal your stuff
Whatever that looks like in whatever way that works and that's my favorite part because it's so diverse right?
There's like an infinite amount of past to doing that and then it's choosing that love and

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You know we talk a lot on the show about how
Warped the view of love is in this world. You know love is always being by someone's side or love is putting family first like we have all these
Very antiquated and unsuccessful narratives around what love is. I really love the one you shared Joel
You touched on the election

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And it's interesting what you were saying about
nervous system regulation
Because it's exactly what I was you know, I was kind of scrolling social media this morning just kind of doing a tip check
and I was like wow like
The the I mean just also the division but truly like the the lack of the ability to regulate
You know, there is quite literally a very large percentage of our population right now that thinks but like the world has just ended and there's just

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Yeah, that lack of emotional maturity
And so I'm curious what y'all what y'all's perspectives are on you know
Day after the election right and maybe your advice to people as you know
Our audience like tends to you know be people that are really consciously on a path of choosing love and so
Either either one of those wraps you want to take it. I'd love to hear your thoughts

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I think ultimately we're gonna be okay
You know like I think I think I have compassion because you have to understand a person looks at the world and sees the events
Through certain ideological lenses
So like I I get how some people are freaking out
If you if you look at the world in a certain way or if you look at a politician or a group of people that voted for that politician in a

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Certain way and you don't feel safe. I mean, what's your response gonna be?
You know, so I understand that on one level, but it still goes back to what is the level of emotional intelligence?
And what's going on in your system like if most people really were honest with themselves
And they look back 20 30 years who the president was like how much

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Of their day-to-day life has really been impacted
You know what I mean? So now I do think we're in a very unique time in American history
I think in the world. So, you know, something does feel a little different about this specific election
But generally speaking it's like every four years. There's this like people get hypnotized

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On like this is my guide. This is per or like my woman. I'm with her, you know, it's gonna change the whole world
um
and like, I don't know I just
My advice to people is like get off your fucking computers and your phones and go hug your dog or hug the people you love and go for a walk
and read a book and like

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I don't know or maybe even like sit on your couch without any distractions and wonder
And be curious about why the fuck you're freaking out and feeling the way you're feeling and having the reactions you're
You're having and why you're viewing
50 something percent of the population in the way that you're viewing them and this goes for both sides of some on some level
You know people just get so

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Taken over by certain ideas and I'm not sitting here saying that I'm perfect that I like I'm like this like
Highly ascended being that can you know live in detachment of like things that are going on, you know from that standpoint, but like
I don't know. That's my advice. I know I went on a little tangent, but that's what I have to say
We asked we're here for it. Joel. What do you think?

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What was what's the crux of the question? What's my advice to people who are freaking out right now?
Yeah, I mean, well, I just think everybody right now because you know like your ass knows I'm saying like we're just living through such a
probable moment of history and you can just the division, you know and
This they have I think the mixed messages like we're kind of seeing all these different camps of people and so it would love your

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perspective your advice, you know what you think maybe can help people kind of return to their lives
and kind of return to that that baseline
Yeah, well
It's hard to offer advice to people who aren't interested in being more conscious in in their day to day life
Right because nothing is ever really going to land

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But if you are someone who is more consciously attuned then ultimately the realization is that all there are are lessons
And so there's this dance that happens between
What's happening within your system in a certain moment and what's happening collectively within a certain moment?
And the lesson for each individual through that chemistry is ultimately unique, right?

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And so the goal of you know of every moment ultimately when something
Is being mobilized as unconscious debris coming up etc is what?
What is the lesson here? Like what is calling to be alchemized? What is here to be integrated?
integrated, you know and so yeah, ultimately the advice is whatever is uniquely coming up with you needs to be sat with it needs to be

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Contemplated needs to be observed. Yeah, you need to gain gain the gold from that
Yeah, and people need to I think in my opinion is like quit equating their like
triggered emotional reactions as of the truth. Yeah
I've said this before emotional intelligence happens over time emotional clarity happens over time

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It's not in the moment. So it's like if you're highly triggered emotionally
Like do you have the ability to maybe not respond and not react and like take a moment and see if you can get to some sort of
equilibrium within yourself and act a bit more rationally in that regards
And again at the same time like what Joel said if you are having these

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you know blow-ups or meltdowns or you know posting on social media
Yeah, if you vote for orange clown, moji, whatever, you know, delete me as a friend like
Will you be feeling that in a year in a year and a half like or is this just
An emotional response that you are equating with like this is the 100 true
Then I have to say it right now the morning after the election

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yeah, but for anyone who genuinely like
acts that way behaves that way believes that way like the first step really is like just reclaiming your mind
to some to some degree, you know, because
There are other people's thoughts. There are other people's conditions
Other people's projections, which ultimately you're speaking through, you know, so
Yeah, it's it's hard but it's like for any psychologically healthy rational person observing the situation

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It's hard to have a look at what happened. They'd be like, oh, we are so much worse off because Trump got elected, you know, like
The the the the rational line of thought doesn't go to this is the worst thing in the world. I don't think
I love so much that you said reclaim your mind right before this actually posted a couple videos on my story
I just given some hope given some love given some questions for contemplation, which you're awesome

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I love that you brought up like just sitting down and thinking we really push contemplation on the show
And yeah, I was saying like we are not our mind, right? And it's actually like that
I mean, we're in a war on consciousness and just seeing how quickly people are pulled out and it's just like trigger boom
Like I'm in it. I'm giving all of my energy and attention

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To this emotion to this experience to this belief to this post whatever it may be and just again
You know for our listeners like always that invitation to remember like we are not our mind
We are not what's happening in this 3d world and you know, can we come back to center?
A mantra that's always helped me in those moments of deep deep deep activation and triggering is this two shall pass

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It's it's so simple, but it's so true. Like you were saying you're awesome. Most in a year. Are you gonna feel this way?
Okay, maybe not work your way back in a month. Are you gonna feel this way in a week?
In an hour in 10 minutes
Are you feeling this way right now?
Yeah, you know like how can we re-regulate our system when we notice because that's that's the first

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Step right is being aware. I'm dysregulated. I'm acting from a place that isn't my authentic self
it's a patterning and then
choosing from that point
okay, if I'm aware that I am acting from an unconscious place then
Then what is my authentic truth? What is what is it that I believe in that I feel and then how can I communicate from that space instead?

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That's a good point. I
Would love to switch gears here a little bit
You know, we could definitely sit and talk about the election all day
But I think it is what it is and it's happening as it's meant to and it's for the lessons for humanity to learn
So we can just non-judgmentally observe with love, but I know you are both married
Obviously the show one of our key kind of core pillars is relationships specifically conscious relating

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um
And as two people who have kind of chosen this path of not only walking truth personally but walking truth and
You know this mission and such a public way with here for the truth
I would love to hear from you both, you know, first of all if you just feel comfortable sharing, um, you know
How how your relationship, you know, how you manage that like walking that path of truth with another being

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Because you know at least in our experience we found it to be you know, it can be really challenging sometimes
Like it's hard enough doing it for yourself and then doing it in in a relationship
You know, we don't have a lot of models of success for that in the world right now
Um, well, I would say everyone should listen to our recent episode on here for the truth that Joel I had where we had our wives on

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Yeah, I saw it. Um, no, um
Yeah, how do I handle that? I mean, I'm very blessed that I have a wife that's been on a personal development path for a long time and like, you know, she makes
This work and nervous system work and health a big part of her life and we just keep choosing each other every day. It's not always perfect

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But you know, we have a pretty I think healthy foundation as individuals
And then we we deal with things as they come up
You don't really know yourself. You can't really know another because you're you're going to see the person through like warped lenses and
Distorted way and so again in partnership like each individual needs to do their work. They need to they need to have

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A self-knowing and so that's I mean, we're fortunate that we we get along really well
We have similar worldviews
And then when stuff comes up, like I said before we we take personal responsibility
I mean she usually admits that I'm right 100% of the time but no, just a joke for you listeners.
If you haven't looked at the podcast, stay in my humor. But yeah, we just have an open

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line of communication. We keep it real with one another. We respect, we're kind and generous to
one another. We understand each other's love languages. We have similar ones, so that helps.
And so yeah, we just manage it kind of day by day. And of course I made the decision to get
married what over five years ago now? Is it five years? I'm losing track. Yeah, over five years.

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We lost track at five years too. That was kind of the one where we were like, eh, it's a long time.
Yeah, you know, yeah, we've been together what, double that around. And, and I'm, yeah, I'm
blown away sometimes because I thought I was never going to get married. Like I was kind of someone
who was like, I'm just going to do my own thing, travel around the world, like partnership,
commit, long-term commitment isn't for me. And it changed, you know, as you go through your own

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evolutionary process, you realize what you really want in life, what you want to build, what you
want to create. Things are going pretty well so far, but it's, we're still human. We still have
our patterns. We still have this ship. We have to navigate that goes on, the thinking, the thoughts,
the all in all, it's like we've chosen partnership, we've chosen this container. And so what do we

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do to nurture that on top of each individual doing what they need to do to nurture themselves and
take care of themselves? I just love that you brought that flow circle, the kind of what you
started with and what you ended with about choice, because it is a choice, you know, like it is a
choice every single day to some things we say on the show a lot, or it's like radical commitment,
you know, radical commitment to self love, radical commitment to this partnership, you know, to this

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other person's spiritual journey. And I think they're a personal development journey. If you
want to call it that, I think, you know, that is a really key piece that's missing in many of the
unconscious relationships in our world is it's kind of this like unspoken agreement of like,
we're just going to be comfortable, right? Like we're not going to call out each other's shit
unless we're fighting, and then we're just going to kind of like, brush it under the rug and keep

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going and do it the way we've always done it. And the hardest part to me about conscious relating,
especially in this partnership is holding him accountable, right? Like it's holding myself
accountable radically and caring enough about him to hold his path, you know, and just as high of a
regard for me. So thank you for, you know, talking about it being a choice because it really is.

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Yeah, I want to add something too. Like another thing with relationship is that very often one
partner, both partners want to control and, and create certain things in the other partner. And
I think one of the important things of the long term partnership is like acceptance as well. Like
your partner is different than you, especially if you understand like astrology or human design

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or other systems like that. Like my wife is different than me. Like beyond the fact that
she's a woman and I'm a man and there are differences. She has a different way of being in
the world. Her personality is different. So like, I need to understand that and honor that and respect
that and realize that she's not going to operate the way I'm going to operate. She might not think

(25:58):
about things in the same way. And so there are times where, and I'm not always the greatest at
this, like I just need to shut the fuck up and just be there with her and listen instead of coming
in and fixing and providing a solution because I'm a man of solutions and a lot of, and a lot of
areas of my life. And so it's like, she can be talking about things and be emotional about certain

(26:23):
things. And my one part of my mind is like, just this, this, this, that, cool, great, let's move on.
But that's not what it's about. Sometimes she just needs to go through her own thing and her
own process. And so, and she has her own little habits and I have my habits. And it's like, you
just, just accepting people for their idiosyncrasies and their individual quirks are important or

(26:46):
fucking leave the relationship. Like if you don't like certain things, then leave.
You know, instead of just trying to changing and molding the person in what like a very limited
aspect of you wants them to be. I heard so much there, the typical masculine feminine right,
doing versus being like, we're just like being in our process and want you to just like be and

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listen and mask is just like, I can fix this, but Joel, I'd love to give you an opportunity to talk.
I know you and your wife have two and one on the way kiddos. So yeah, what is, what is that
relationship look like for you? How do you navigate this path of truth and, you know, self growth
being, being in your marriage? Yeah, well, I mean, I think the first thing that I would say is that

(27:31):
like relationship is probably the greatest teacher, you know, like the it's, I primarily
know myself and probably the most important lessons that I've learned in my life have come
through the vessel of relationship. Yeah, primarily with with Alyssa, with my wife, but also like
with friends like your ass most is a primary relationship as well in a different capacity,

(27:51):
obviously. But when when we met, like, I was quite psychologically immature, you know, I really
hadn't looked at my shadow in any real capacity. I was in the state of detachment. I was, I had
escapist tendencies, psychologically, very much so I was a boy, you know, it's in many, in many

(28:14):
in many capacities and through the process of relating and learning and growing and like to
think I'm more of a man now. But again, like you have to be consciously attuned to be able to
glean the lessons acquire and integrate the lessons that are coming forth. And if not,
you're just going to continue in this pattern of repeating, you know, your own developmental

(28:35):
traumas and your own conditioning processes. And so it hurts, it fucking sucks when someone calls
you out on your shit, when someone doesn't let you get away with the things that your mom let you
get away with or your dad let you get away with or whatever it might be, like it's confronting.
And that causes a lot of relationships to end and end to break, etc. You have to value growth

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more than you value comfort. And this applies to every single thing in life. And ultimately,
through my process, I've come to realize, I think, particularly for Alyssa, but I think
universally among women is like, they don't really like their feelings don't really lie,

(29:20):
you know, what they're feeling and what's coming up emotionally. Generally, I come to
understand that there's something really, really important there for me to learn and for me to
realize. And there's many times, and it can go on for a long time where like, I'm not understanding
and I'm not getting it. And I rationalize what's happening. And I am self averting from looking

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at what's going on. For me, I've just come to value Alyssa as a teacher in my life. And I think
that's why we continue to grow in the way that we do. That's really beautiful. I love so much
the thing you said, I know you have something you want to say about relationships being our biggest
teacher. Most of the people we have on the show say that I think it's something we can all agree on,

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especially romantic relationships, because you can't hide here. Like you just can't. Like this is
the ultimate mirror. And especially when you're walking some type of path of growth or consciousness
and truth, especially in this world that we're living in, like you're going to be, you're going
to be confronted, you're going to be confronted with all your shit as you called it. So thanks for
pointing that out, because we really firmly believe that. And it's a mission of the show is

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encouraging people to also translate that out to all of our relationships. You know, it doesn't
just have to be our romantic ones. Yeah. And it's like, I think we, yeah, we have a miss,
we have a skewed idea of what love is really meant to look like. And particularly your romance
club, you know, we've been programmed in many ways through Disney and other media. We have these,

(30:51):
you know, exacerbated ideas of what those things look like. But I think the most powerful aspect
of love is like, can you love when you really fucking don't feel like loving? You know, and I
think that's when love begins. Like we mistake the honeymoon period when everything feels so easy

(31:13):
and so connected. And this is my person, et cetera, as the real thing. I don't think that's the real
thing. I think that is heightened through our physiological and sexual biological responses,
et cetera. But once that wears off and we start seeing the other person without the rose colored
glasses and it feels like we don't really, it feels harder to love. That's when the work of love

(31:36):
really begins. I love that experience. Thank you. Thank you both for sharing, you know,
that honeymoon phase, that initial attraction is what helps bring us together. Yeah. But I
firmly believe like you're saying, you know, the real work comes in everything that follows after,
you know, that's such a small blip. And I've noticed, at least in this partnership is

(32:03):
we kind of go through these ebbs and flows in that you have this strong attraction, this strong
passion, this feeling of deep, deep love that we perceive as what love should be like all the time.
Yeah. And then we're offered a challenge. We're offered an opportunity for growth. And when we
both come together and choose love and choose to work through those challenges and learn that lesson,

(32:29):
we peel like a layer on the onion and go to a depth that we didn't know was previously accessible.
And then that kicks off another honeymoon phase of attraction and passion of, wow, we made it
through, you know, this is this new depth that we touched. And then the ego wants to be like,
great, this is what we're going to live forever. And the true nature of it from what I perceive in

(32:54):
relationship is that there's infinite depths that we can get to. And we can just continue going deeper
and deeper and deeper and growing closer in attraction and closer in love and reaching higher
highs by actually tackling deeper challenges. You know, it's like progressing through a video game

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of life, you know, we don't just like cruise on level one for the rest of our life. Every time
that we overcome a challenge, we get the opportunity to go deeper. And beautifully said, man, that's
not beautifully said that that's my experience as well. It's that kind of stick legal nature of it,
you know, for sure. Yeah. And something too that you spoke to is just the intuition of the feminine

(33:39):
is so powerful. You know, something that I was sitting with just this morning. We've been working
through an experience of having different ideological beliefs and the approach of the
election and how we chose to operate in that system. And part of my patterning has been deeply

(34:02):
changing my beliefs in the way that I act based of what I perceive other people's needs are. So
essentially acting from an inauthentic place before it was projecting onto my parents,
then it was my partner. And so moving into this this election, I chose to participate in the
voting process from a place of thinking that I was sovereign. I can participate in this election

(34:28):
because I'm a conscious person. And so my vote means more. And so I have a duty and a responsibility
to, you know, add my fuel to the fire. And through this experience, and what I've learned from,
you know, the outcome of the election, I realized, was that really necessary? Or was I actually just

(34:53):
participating from a place of fear? And that if I felt like I didn't participate, I was acquiescing
to the system, and that I wasn't allowing and having faith in the fact that things would play
out the way they were meant to play out, which is exactly what my partner was telling me. And
after the fact, you know, there was a heated debate, and my partner reacted out of an emotion

(35:18):
that was so viscerally palpable, that I it actually stopped me in my tracks. And I was like,
hmm, maybe I'm the one that's entrenched. You know, maybe I'm the one that's not actually
being open to, and I was trying to control the outcome of my partner so much of saying like,

(35:38):
no, you're not accepting my perspective, that I was actually not being in an open or receptive
space myself. And when I see that emotion play out in such a visceral manner in my partner,
it's a clear indication of like, hmm, maybe it's something for you to consider. Because you're
right, the emotions don't lie. There's no, there's no way to fake or for avoid truth when it comes

(36:04):
out in a partnership. And it really gave me an opportunity to reflect and sit sit with that
and be open to a different perspective. And when I started creating safety for myself in that
situation, rather than trying to control my partner in a way that I would feel safe, I was
able to mold and shift my perspective to a higher one.

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Yeah, just the one thing I'd add to that is I made a post yesterday and there's been some
discussions in the comments. And I think that you can, I think that you can partake in the system
and still be sovereign. I don't think that voting means that you're not sovereign. I think sovereign
is you thinking for yourself, you're reaching your own conclusions, you making your own being

(36:50):
the final arbiter of truth and then making a decision from there. Because there's so many
people that are just regurgitating voting is slavery, voting is slavery, but they really
haven't gone down the process themselves to reach those conclusions. That's just what their
heroes and their role models and their influences are repeating. And so they've just outsourced
their mind to that person who they think has it all together now, you know? So I think,

(37:12):
you know, so sovereignty is you genuinely forming your own conclusions and making your
own individual decision despite the noise because the herd gets smaller and smaller and smaller.
There's the mainstream herd and there's the freedom community herd and there's the truth
community herd and there's still herds upon herds upon herds, you know? So, yeah.
You touched on something really powerful and it leads right into my next question that I've been

(37:35):
really dying to ask you. There are, it's just herds on herds on herds, right? Like there's so many
camps and I just, you know, being fascinated by human psychology and human behavior, I've been
really detachfully watching this and being like, I find this to be really fascinating.
I'm curious from both of your perspectives, how do you define truth? You have this, you have this

(37:56):
beautiful show, right? That's been going for years now. It's called Here for the Truth. And
obviously this is like a really big long answer, but like at its core, what does truth mean to
each of you? Like what does that look like in your experience and what is, what is that mission
that you're, you're trying to push on with this show? Hmm. What does truth mean to me?

(38:19):
Feel like it's being as a tune to reality as you can be, you know, and being really,
really curious on what makes you tick, why you do the things you do, why you think the things you
think. Again, that's from a more internal place, you know? Yes, our show is called Here for the
Truth and we'll have episodes about things going on in the world and our thoughts on different

(38:43):
subjects and potential conspiracies and things happening. But ultimately, like, I just think
self-knowledge is the foundation of all knowledge. And so, you know, do you know who you are? Do you
know this gift of life that you've been given? What is your purpose in life? You know, how do
you work through, you know, the conditioning and some of the BS that has been fed upon you,

(39:09):
that has been put upon you to get closer to this internal state where you love who you are
and you love what you do and you love learning and you love growing and you love building
conscious relationships and you start dancing, you know, you start dancing with life. You,
there's more flow and fluidity and, you know, it's not about perfection. It's about this continuous

(39:32):
evolution and growth. Like, that's what it is for me, you know? And in terms of things in the
external world, like, you just got to check yourself. Like, people are so quick to, like,
communicate that they are certain. I have certainty. I know. You don't know. They don't
know. I'm the one who knows. And like, I just think more and more people need to just slow

(39:55):
down and get a grasp on why they're thinking what they're thinking and how they respond based off
of that. But again, it's not perfect. It's messy. Like, I don't have all the answers. I don't think
I'm like this all-knowing truth teller. I'm just living my life. I'm just being me and kind of

(40:16):
being an investigator and being curious about what's happening and trying to have some common
sense and trying to check myself when I feel like I know for 100% that I'm right. You know? In a lot
of ways, I feel like I've done the work and I've done what's necessary to build a certain level
of knowledge and understanding and really connect deeply to my intuition to navigate life. Like,

(40:42):
in a lot of ways, I live an awesome life. Like, the proof is in the pudding, you know? The proof
is in the choices that you make every single day and that leads you to who you are. Yeah,
that's what I have to say on that. Two things came up for me and then Joel would love to hear
your perspective on this as you were talking your ass about. We just had last episode that aired
yesterday, Aaron Apke, on the show and something that he said that was so powerful is only thing

(41:07):
that he knows that has proven in his experience time and time again is love and that love is the
answer, right? And that love is kind of this core fabric. And I was hearing that as you were kind
of talking, like you're saying, like everyone is so quick to be like, I know. And it triggered a
memory when we watched your live podcast, Music in Sky, without the ZEC, who will be having on the

(41:29):
show, you know, early next year, something I think it was him, definitely corrects me if I'm wrong,
but one of you, I think it was him was talking about like how people say like, my truth, my truth,
my truth, right? My truth is this and it's kind of become like, we can just kind of add those
words, you see people add those words, like my truth is this and well, I've said it's my truth.

(41:50):
And so now it's truth, right? And I think that kind of goes hand in hand as we start to build on
and deconstruct like what truth is and what personal truth is and what authentic truth is.
I just kind of always hear that in the back of my mind and it makes me giggle a little bit because
I'll see it now and so should we do it like people be like, well, my truth is this.
Your subjectivity, of course, you know, and there's a, and like, you know, like your emotional

(42:14):
reactions in the moment are true to you. Now, whether or not they're based on some foundation
truth, that's a whole nother thing. You know, again, like when you're in partnership, like you
all could be screaming at one another and both of you can miss the point on what the hell is
really happening. You know, but it's real to you, you know, you're having, you're crying,

(42:35):
you're getting angry. I just have to like say earlier, you had been like, you had said what
Aaron said, like, you know, all he knows is love or love is the answer or that's the only thing
that's true. And I just feel like that's also one sided because there's so many elements to
being a human being that I know, like, I know love, I know fucking rage, I know anger, I know
silliness, I know sadness, I know a lot of things that I experienced on a day to day basis. Love is

(42:57):
an amazing thing and the beautiful thing and deep and awesome. But I just feel like it's a little
bit more nuanced than that, in my opinion. Yeah, well, love, love when coming from a place of truth
can be anger. It can be a strong boundary. It can be ending a relationship. Because like I

(43:17):
mentioned before, in Scott Peck's definition, love being being genuinely interested in the
spiritual development of another person. Sometimes that's what that person's spiritual
development requires. It requires some toughness. It requires a healthy boundary. It requires
sternness. There's a slippery slope where we can easily misconceive love as the general idea that

(43:40):
we get that, well, we're always connected, we're always forgiving. Warming fuzzy. We're always
accepting. It's always warm and fuzzy. That's not how I view love. I view love through the lens of
truth. In terms of the prime question, there's aspects and there's layers to truth. Like you
guys have discussed, there is objective truth. Iron Rand said the law of existence is that A

(44:03):
equals A. When you observe A, it's A in all matters of reality. And then obviously, like we've
mentioned, there's subjective truth. There's personal truth. I'm a Scorpio. He's a Gemini.
That's my truth. There is my truth. It does actually exist. My mom was like this. His mom was
like this, et cetera. We do have personal truths. But I think the key thing when it comes to truth

(44:27):
is this idea of coherence. I think very often that we can try to ascertain truth from an
incoherent place. And I think the way to come closer to the truth when it comes to an internal
process is understanding coherence. And so by understanding ourselves, understanding when

(44:47):
we're being motivated from a place of fear, from a place of scarcity, from a place of lack,
et cetera, et cetera, and checking ourselves in this way. And so there's this idea that's called
the apophatic process. And so in most cases, the better question is not what is truth, but
what is not truth? Because it's a lot easier to discern what is not truth. And I think throughout

(45:12):
our lives, again, if you're consciously attuned, you start peeling away what is not true, what is
not true, what is not true, what is not true, and ultimately you come to a place that is closer to
truth than from your starting point with all your ideas, all your misconceptions, all your
judgments, all your et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. One thing that I love is that

(45:38):
in the, I guess, philosophy of self-esteem, we often ask the question, are my decisions being
motivated by joy or are they being motivated by fear? And what I've found is that when I find
that my motivations are coming from a place of joy, a place from expansion, a place from growth,
that is much more closer to the truth for me than the opposite.

(46:02):
I love that so much. It's something we always see here. I've never heard it as joy versus fear.
We usually say love versus fear, but I love what both of you said there. I have one more thing I'd
love to ask you, and either one of you that wants to go first, what do you feel like is the hardest

(46:23):
part for you on your truth slash love slash conscious relating journey? What's the most
challenging part for you that you're navigating right now, and how are you navigating that?
Can you say that again? Like, what's the...
Yeah, like... Yeah, what is the most challenging part of your, you can take it love, truth,

(46:44):
or conscious relating journey at this time, and how are you navigating that?
I would say that the toughest part is those moments where I want to lie to myself and
bullshit myself and old patterns come in, you know? Because it's like, we grow, we evolve,
but we have many aspects to us. Like the great, well, let me quote, we contain multitudes. We have

(47:08):
many parts to who we are, and so, you know, very often some aspects of us we're able to separate
from, and they don't really play a role in our day-to-day thinking and thought forms, behavior,
emotions, but there are certain things that like weigh on us that are there, you know, certain
patterns, certain things that keep like, why do these thoughts keep coming or like looping in my

(47:29):
head, you know? So I just feel like what's tough is being present with, with truth. Like, this is
real to me. I don't want to distract it away. I don't want to turn to drugs, alcohol, social media,
all the different ways we self-medicate, and we distract ourselves from what's happening.
So I think the hardest part often is like staying true to yourself in that regards and all of you,

(47:54):
and being honest with yourselves, and going like, I'm not perfect. I don't have everything figured
out, and I don't need to fucking lie to myself, you know? Very often we want to present to others
into the world like, ooh, I'm at this evolved state, and like, I've worked through that, and maybe in
a lot of things you have, but I know enough people, I know myself, there's a lot of bullshit that goes
on there, you know? Like, it's okay to struggle. It's okay to go two steps forward and one step

(48:19):
back. It's okay for things not to be perfect. The challenging part sometimes is to not want to accept
that, to not want to pay attention to that, if that makes sense. Oh, that makes total sense. That's
been my experience in this journey too. I don't know if you're familiar with the Jean Keys at all,
but in that wisdom teaching, for anybody who's not familiar with that, there's essentially a gift

(48:42):
level and a shadow level of what we're experiencing in our reality. And for me, one of those gift
level for me is vulnerability, and there's this opportunity to go to such deep depths, and the
shadow that keeps me from going into that vulnerability is that dishonesty and that desire to not face,
you know, what's coming up and just be like, yeah, no, we healed that, that's not coming up again,

(49:08):
right? And it's like, can we be honest with ourselves of the fact that we are living a human
experience, that we're here to, yes, be in the experience of love and light and all the woo-woo
stuff, but also in the shit, you know, and be part of the healing process, because that's
what we came down here to do. And like you were saying, the hardest part is being present with

(49:32):
that sometimes, of just being like, you know, we've been on this journey for years, why is this
pattern coming back up again? Or why is this pattern coming back up for my partner again?
And navigating the stories that my ego tells me of, see, you never really healed it, or see,
you're not enough, and you know, and trying to provide these baits and these hooks, and it's up

(49:55):
to us to decide whether or not we're going to attach to that, or if we're just going to love
and consciously observe those thought patterns, be present in that uncomfortability and allow it
to pass. Well said, Joel, what about you? Do you want me to repeat the question or you got it?
You go for it, you can repeat it. Okay, yeah, what do you feel like is the most challenging part

(50:18):
in your love slash truth slash concepts relating journey and how are you navigating that?
Yeah, yeah, well, as you mentioned before, I have two kids, I've got a, the way I currently live
abroad, you know, we don't have, you know, like, parents or in-laws and stuff around, etc. I am,

(50:38):
you know, co-entrepreneur with your asmos and building a business. And so it's meeting the
daily requirements, you know, meeting what life asks of me on each day is the biggest challenge
on this journey, like providing for my family, ensuring my kids are properly attuned to and,
you know, I educated well, maintaining my relationship with my wife, you know, doing all

(51:04):
the things, man, like that's a lot of responsibility. And, you know, each day I enter the battle and I
hope that I've done the work necessary to do what's necessary, to meet their needs and to connect with,
you know, all the things I need to connect with as consciously as possible. And also meeting my
own needs, like, I've got my own dreams, my own passions, my own goals, you know, and feeling all

(51:28):
those cups and juggling all those balls and doing that as best as I can, juggling all those balls.
Yeah, that's my, that's my biggest challenge actually. Oh my god. That's a lot. I had a
feeling that was going to be something to your answer, you know, kudos to you both for, for
walking the journey, you know, of love and of truth and, I mean, even just like making that

(51:51):
conscious decision to do that is so huge, something that as you may are seeing, you know, a large
majority of the collective is not doing right now. And so, you know, invitation for some grace with
yourself. And, you know, you mentioned something I think is a perfect thing to close us out here.
You talked about like the things for yourself. I was actually listening to one of your episodes with
the, the commandments in it. And one of them was like, you know, was talking about like, you know,

(52:15):
how love is selfish. And I would love so much if y'all could plug, you know, more than just here
for the truth. Like that's a beautiful show. And we love what you're doing with that. But you're
also like beings with your own individual past. And so, Joel, your, your music, you know, seeing
you music in sky, it was a very emotional experience. It was a very beautiful and palpable
experience of a being going out and, you know, pouring their heart into this creative endeavor.

(52:40):
And it's amazing. So I'd love if you touch on that and your asimos, if there's anything
in your sphere. And I know together you have some entrepreneurial endeavors you're doing. So please
tell us and our listeners and we'll definitely plug it all in the show notes as well. Thank you.
Sure. Thank you so much. Yeah, I guess music has always been a primary passion for me. Like,
it was the first thing that really made me feel alive. It was the first thing I really

(53:03):
attached to and I wanted to spend time alone doing, you know, I remember being like
nine, 10 years old, you know, just finding this thing and being locked in my bedroom,
just making music. And for my entire life, I always thought, you know, that's just
what I was going to do. And so to be able to come back to music and, you know, release my first
album in 10 years has been an amazing process. And for me, like, what are we as human beings,

(53:27):
if not, you know, creative potential, we're just walking vessels of creative potential.
And for me, when the muse comes and visits and stirs that creative potential in me, it's like,
I've got no choice but to that's the latch on and to see that process through, ultimately,
because that's what makes me feel alive more than anything else is that. And yeah, obviously,

(53:48):
I'd collected a lot of experiences and lessons, which I was able to feed into that album, which is
out now, it's called Scorpio for those listening. I go by Joel Raffiti, there's no MC name, you can
search Joel Raffiti on Spotify or Apple Music or whatever. And you'll find that. And yeah,
getting getting the chance to perform, I just, yeah, thank you so much. I'm glad that it was
received and the way that those are saved. And yeah, very grateful to be able to give that.

(54:12):
Yeah, I love Joel's album.
Barking dog again. You're gonna see when it comes.
I love Joel's album. So I hope everyone goes out to listen to it because it's deep.
The lyrics are amazing. The tunes, the sounds like it's a beautiful album from start to finish.
And I've listened to it many, many times.
There was I love so much. You know, he said, you're Scorpio, he's Scorpio, six out of 13 Scorpio.

(54:36):
But the song specifically, you were talking about you and your wife's miscarriage,
and just like that process. And I mean, to see a masculine artist get up there and
embody that and share that with the world was really healing for us. You know, we've navigated
that journey as a really big part of our past. And so, yeah, listeners, check it out. It's

(54:58):
really beautiful art. You're asmos. What's it what's in your sphere? Like what it what lights you up
outside of going on tangents on here for the truth? Yeah, what lights me up? Man, I feel like my life
has gone through all these different elements to it. But right now, obviously, what I'm building
with Joel is great. You know, four and a half years ago, my wife and I moved from one place to

(55:22):
another place. We're in Topanga, California now. And we have a lot more land. And we've been kind
of going on the I wouldn't call it homesteading, I call it bougie homesteading. But like, we're
definitely doing the bougie homesteading journey, connecting it with nature more and really learning
a little bit more about permaculture and fruit trees. And so there's a lot of responsibilities

(55:44):
on the home front that I have that I'm enjoying and enjoying like, learning and and wanting to be
a steward to the land and bring more life back to land. Because I just think about like, wow,
in five years, like to take two areas of our property that were pretty much barren with like
weeds and dirt and to turn them into, you know, the Garden of Eden, you know, in a sense, that's

(56:08):
something that I'm really excited about. Other than that, you know, we love building community.
So starting in like 2021, we really started focusing on building community here and holding
gatherings, especially in California, when we were treated like second class citizens. It was
nice to have a to be a hub and a space to bring people together again, that were similar minded.
And so we've cultivated and helped nurture a really awesome community here in Southern California,

(56:35):
which I'm really proud of. And I feel blessed to have met so many incredible people. You know,
I mean, that pretty much, I mean, I got two cats, two kittens now, well, technically four, we had
a feral cat and another feral cat, but two kittens we got that I'm in love with. And I hated cats.
I hated cats my whole life. I never liked cats. I was allergic to cats. I was a dog person,
and I am obsessed now, especially one of them. You know, so, you know, speaking of love, my wife

(57:00):
and I are just in this place of like, we just want to keep bringing more love into our life,
you know, in all the ways. It's like, all right, another cat showed up on our property, cool,
more love, you know, my mom's staying with us and visiting for a month. And it's like more love.
We've contemplated bringing a child into this world. So it's like, fuck it, more love, let's just
keep doing, let's keep bringing more love into our life. So yeah, that's kind of, you know,

(57:24):
where we're at. And, you know, I'm an interesting stage in my life, I'm 44 years old. And yeah,
well, it continues on, but I do want to reiterate, like I still am amazed to have met Joel. He's
someone I deeply respect and admire. I pretty high standards with people and he's the real deal.
Back in game has slipped a little bit lately, but other than that, that's funny, you know,

(57:49):
I really appreciate the authenticity and the clear connection that the both of you have and the deep
reverence and the respect that you have for one another, you know, that's a different level
of conscious relationship and that you're able to help support one another on your own path of
personal development. And, you know, Joel, to what you were saying earlier about reconnecting with

(58:10):
something that you had put down for a while, you know, that that that resonates a lot with me.
You know, architecture has and always has been my spark since I was a kid. I was like,
I'm gonna be an architect. And through this consciousness journey, you know, I laid down
those tools for a bit. And recently been called to re embody them from a conscious place. And

(58:35):
it really comes. She's literally almost never barked on an episode ever. We're like almost 50
episodes in and we get three in your audience is like, come on, we want to hear the bark, we want
to hear the bark, right? The bark, I might just leave them in. I might just not edit them out.
But I mean, that's really what it is. Like you were talking about, you know,

(58:57):
a time frame plays about the intensity and finding your spark and birthing into this world, right?
Yeah, that's what it is. Like each one of us have has this piece to the super intricate and
beautiful puzzle that is this reality. And when we do what authentically fills our cup, and that
that we're meant to birth into this world, we add to that we create this this beauty that only we

(59:22):
can create and Joel, like I can't I've listened to a couple of your songs, but I can't wait to dive
fully into your album and to see the the depth to which you created in there. Because if the few
a few songs that I listened to are any indication to what you are capable of and what you're birthing
into this world, I can only imagine. And so really looking forward to that. And you're awesome.

(59:45):
Most you know, stewarding land is no small thing that that when the land calls you, it calls you.
And to consciously go and build community and steward land in a way where you are in
conscious relationship with the earth. That is a very powerful thing. That is love, you know.
It can be paid to like working in nature and like planning and being like, oh, wow, it's going to be

(01:00:09):
years before I enjoy the fruit of this tree. Literally. The earth works on you as much as you
work on it. Like it is a very it is a tree and then two years later, like just like conditions
aren't ideal. Like a gopher fucking eats it or it dies and you're like, like you really it's
it's an interesting process for sure. You know, not not to mention like dealing with nature and

(01:00:32):
floods and and crazy shit, but it's been cool. But I real quickly, since you said you're an
architect, I want to say have you read the fountain head by I'm going to recommend the same
thing. I have not. Yeah, I'll take a look into it. The fountain. Yeah, read the fountain head by
Iran. The main protagonist is an architect, but I'm does an incredible job in storytelling,
her philosophical ideas through that. So I think you'd love it. Yeah. Appreciate that. Thanks for

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the wreck. I would love to end us, you know, your ass most he said, you just said it so
beautifully. And you both touched on it. More love. That is the core foundation of the show
and just really encouraging people whatever it is, whatever your authentic truth is,
cultivate that and bring more love into this world. You know, we need it. We need it so badly
right now. And it's it's so healing. And I just really feel passionate. And I also feel a really

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deep sense of hope and beauty for the world we can leave our children, your children, our future
children, your ass most, you know, just has more love has more authenticity. It's where we're headed.
And I love that we're all birthing this together. So thank you both so much for doing here for the
truth, doing your work, doing all the things you do, tending land music, children, all of it is so

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important. And we're just sending you both so much love and support in that journey. And, you
know, thanks for giving us a little bit of a window into how you're navigating this wild thing
called life. No worries. Also, we just want to mention to we do, beyond our podcast here for
the truth, we have our 10 week group coaching program rise above our currently in our 11th run.

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We usually do times a year. Pretty much just continues on a lot of the stuff we talked about
today, which is really, you know, owning yourself and walking your path, your path, what's right for
you authentically, and dissolving way like conditioning that disempowers and really embrace
a deeper self psychological self understanding and philosophy as well that empowers you to stand

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in truth and to rise above the herd, you know, yeah, actually named. I love that name. Yeah.
And say for close out. Yeah, I mean, imagine if we could approach every situation and life
in the way that you're awesome was described what he's experiencing right now of just saying
opportunity for more love, you know, what if each and every opportunity that we are given in this

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life, we choose the perspective that it's an opportunity for us to bring more love into this
world. And the thing that's important for many of us, we need to really get clear and be curious
about the barriers that are keeping us from welcoming in more love and giving, you know,
that's a piece of the puzzle. It's very easy to just bypass all that and go, yeah, I read a book

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and I put on a road and I fucking meditated and I'm all love. Like it was only that simple.
Retweet that. Well, thank you both so much. We really appreciate you and listeners, you know,
check out here for the truth, cultivate that love and that truth in your life, whatever it looks
like. And just remember, you know, authenticity is our greatest superpower. Well said. Thank you guys.

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Take care.