March 11, 2024 • 60 mins
Brian Jones joins us for a Surf and Scuba Special just in time for the summer water sport season. Let Brian inspire you to get out in nature to revive your soul. Learn how to train to learn how to surf depending on your stance, body type and wave types. Training is important to prevent injury and muscle strains. Flagler Beach, FL is hosting some surf competitions coming up soon including Her Turn Surf Festival on June 1, 2024. We also have locals who help people learn how to surf. Find Brian On TikTok where he creates all kinds of helpful therapy videos at the request of his followers to help them recover and prevent further injury.
Brian currently resides in Hawaii where he is a physical therapist, personal trainer, certified strength and conditioning coach, health fitness specialist, athletic trainer, nutritionist and clinical specialist. He is an avid surfer and all around fan of water sports. He has worked in wound care, sports/athletics, geriatrics, pediatrics, neurology, skilled nursing, acute care, inpatient neurology, outpatient orthopedics, with the military and for professional sports organizations (World Surf League and Major League Baseball). He is most confident with orthopedic injuries as he has undergone several serious surgeries personally. He is currently working with Access Surf which is an organization that helps handicapped individuals get in the ocean through adaptive sports equipment. He also volunteers for Life Waters , an organization that helps wounded veterans SCUBA dive.
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(00:11):
This is Angela Grayson fromThe Loving Life Fitness Podcast.
To help others in their fitnessjourney.
It's all possible.
(00:31):
It’s time to wake up.
Here we go.
Hey, everybody, This isAngela Grayson
from the Loving LifeFitness Podcast.
And today we're goingto be talking to Brian Jones
once again, the physicaltherapist from Hawaii.
Hey, Brian, how are you?
(00:52):
Aloha.
Angela I'm there just fine.
I love that.
I've been using that word a lot.
Aloha feels good.
I like it.
Once you get out here,you can't stop using it.
It's just part of the collectiveconsciousness.
The culture feels right.
Yeah, I'm thinking onceI get out there,
I might not want to come back.
What happened to me?
It's so beautiful.
(01:14):
So today we're going to betalking about surfing.
Brian, you're an avid surfer,and you're right there
in the depth of it.
You know what it's all about.
And you help otherswho want to get into surfing,
maybe train their bodies,and also help them deal
with issues that might come uplater on down the road.
So let's first talk aboutyour surfing experience.
(01:36):
Yes, well, I am a Ohio boy,so not too many waves out there.
But I didn't even knowI really liked the ocean
until I went to grad schoolin Florida.
Florida.
Not too many waves.
So I got into scubadiving out there.
So I started a lovefor the ocean when I was,
you know, in Miami on the EastCoast diving.
(01:57):
But I didn't even try surfinguntil I got out to Hawaii.
The waves are justvery predictable.
Warm water, very welcoming.
Once I got out here,I was determined to learn.
So first thing I boughtwas a car.
The second thing I about wasa surfboard.
That's it? Yeah.
I didn't even havea place to live yet.
And I was like, I'mgoing to learn.
(02:17):
So I went every day where Iwould take three or four months
before I reallycould call myself a surfer.
Right.
So you can actually getthe hang of it takes a lot of
practice and skill.
And for those who maybe just learning, one of the
most valuable lessons is you maydeal with some tendinitis,
(02:39):
some overuse injuries.
I certainly did.
You tend to use certain musclesmore than you typically don't,
right?
Because you're paddling a lot.
I had to learn how to compensatefor these injuries and now has
helped me as a physicaltherapist to teach people
what to look out for.
Body positioning, kinematics,how you move your whole body
(02:59):
while you're in the way and howinjuries occur.
So it's been, oh, gosh,about 11 years now.
I really, you know, a learningexperience of a lifetime.
Are the waves monstrous?
They're compared to Florida.
Yeah.
The people say, well, what's thewhat's the seasons
like in Hawaii?
And we always jokethere's north swell
(03:20):
and south swell.
Meaning in the winter, there'swaves coming in an orange.
And in the summer the wavescoming from the south.
And so the waves aretypically bigger on the north
shore of Oahu and the winterand at certain times
can reach 50 to 60 feet.
Wow.
Yeah, it's it's intense evenon the shoreline.
(03:40):
If you're if you'restanding there, you can feel
the vibration of the waves.
Yeah, it's it's anunreal feeling.
You could watch it onTV all day, but until
you're there in person,it's different.
The power of nature.
And what about the summertime?
Yeah.
The biggest the waves will getwill call it double overhead,
meaning like two people.
So but typically they're aboutat high and Waikiki on a lulu.
(04:05):
The waves are about four or fiveor six feet at most.
So it's more welcoming tomost people.
And that's typically the wavesI stay on.
It's about waist,shoulder height, just one
relaxing, controllable,manageable waves.
It's the water.
Always warm there.
Yeah, about 83 degrees yearround, year long.
(04:26):
Wow. That's.
That's nice.
Yeah. Yeah.
Very welcoming.
Fun for watersportsall year round.
So we're very lucky.
I'm.
I'm very luckyto call this home.
Absolutely.
So we're going to behaving quite a few
surfing events herein Flagler Beach where I live
this month, are starting out.
(04:46):
Let's see, March 15th,there's going to be the Flagler
Surf Series.
That's for three days.
And and it's for for all peoplewho want to be involved,
men, women and children.
Depending on your level,you can be brand new at it.
You can be or you can enter thecompetitive level.
So it's open to all.
I think that's pretty coolfor three days.
(05:09):
Yeah, I'm reading about itright now.
It looks like it'sthe third best wave in the
state of Florida.
But what's cool though, in threedays or kind of
an open tournament?
Mm hmm.
Nice.
I'm trying to lookat the predictions to see
what the waves are going to be,but that's a whole science
in itself.
Yeah, that's right.
(05:29):
It's called Sounds likeI'm going to say a list, but.
But the symmetry isthe study of waves, you know?
Well, there's a lot of moreintelligent people
than I'll ever be about this.
They look at ground swell winds,well, temperature
barometer readings and try tofigure out the best day
and times research.
Mm hmm.
(05:49):
Well, try now.
Look online right now aboutthe whole Maine period.
But it looks like it's just.
It's that day.
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
Out here, something perhapssomething called
a holding period.
Say, a tournament.
It'll last three days, butthe holding period will be 2
to 3 weeks long.
And in that duration,they try to figure out
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when the best wavesare coming through.
Nice.
Most competitive timein the most clean waves
that you willas surfing's moving into an
Olympic sport.
They're trying to standardizea lot of the contest.
So a lot of science behindgetting the right conditions.
Yeah.
Makes for a better day,for sure.
Make it more competitive,right? Yeah.
(06:33):
And even they're buildingall these wave parks around
the country are extremelywith us.
Yes. Yeah.
So I think in a matterof 10 to 20 years, it'll be
more and more commonto see these wave pools
around the country.
Mm. Texas.
Arizona.
Places you wouldn't thinksurfing exists.
They're starting to happen.
(06:55):
Yeah, that's pretty cool.
You can practice anywhereyou're at or just go
to have fun.
Yeah, it's very.
I'm ready for Hawaii.
Yeah, exactly.
Leads yourself really?
Well, I do have friendswho come out of Austin
like, Hey, I want tosurf Waikiki when I get there.
And I'm always like, Hank,just go to your local YMCA,
start doing laps.
I mean, you got to train.
(07:17):
You got to get your bodyready for at least a few months
where you want to get out there,because the closest,
the closest, most popularwave breaks about 200 yards out.
Mm.
So if you can't swimto football field.
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
And that's just getting there.
Right.
Yeah.
Let's talk about the training.
Go ahead.
Yeah, I've been to thatfor beginners.
(07:39):
You want to make surethat your shoulder strengths
are adequate, and also,more importantly,
as you're neck.
And Whereas, sparring.
When we paddle, you're in aslightly extended.
So scapular retractionand scapular crushing position.
Most people who start surfingwithout any training,
they'll over strain their neckand rotator cuff because
(08:02):
the body positioningis so important.
And if you'renot training surfing
for at least a couple ofmonths out, getting your body
used to the repetitive motions,you're going to have a lot
of problems.
And we'll see thatpeople will hire, you know,
their surf instructorsyou can hire for the day
who will paddleyou out here, help.
You don't want to work them out.
You can pay someoneand you pay them really well.
(08:24):
You don't have to paddle at all.
All right.
Yeah. Yeah.
There's.
There's guyswho devote their job
to doing that out here.
Well, yeah, I know afew of them.
Furthermore than that,it's getting familiar
with the water, but alsobreath holds.
And it may not sound likeit's that intimidating
at first, but on your3 to 4 foot waves, you may be
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held under for several seconds.
And it's scary.
It seems like a lot longerwhen you're when that's
happening in person.
Mm hmm.
So when you fall off the board,you have to hold your breath.
Right.
And typically, when you'reat forces exerted on you
and you're fallingthrough the wave, you will not
focus on your breath, holdan air will escape.
(09:09):
So most people kind of panicwhen they first learning and
they lose their air thatthey hold. Right.
So a lot of surfers,you eventually get into big
wave training.
They'll do something calledapnea, actually.
And a lot of my buddies to surfthese 30, 40, 50 foot waves,
they don't let you go outuntil you can hold your breath
(09:30):
for about 2 minutes while doingpush ups.
So it's a very commonapnea training method.
You hold your breath, you pushups for 2 minutes and they won't
let you out if you can't do thatto stress the body.
Also, there's a very commontraining method which I
participate in with some bigwave surfers.
They call it running rocks.
Where you are.
(09:50):
You just get a rockand then you run on the bottom
of the ocean.
So you go down the beach,keep going deeper and deeper
and deeper.
And again you try tojust hold it for
as long as you can imagine, this30 foot wave, it's going to
push you under.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that force of the wateris going to push you
(10:11):
down in the water.
So you got to get usedto the pressure
out your ears, too.
So it's not just musculoskeletaltraining, as one would think.
It's cardiopulmonaryand it's also deal with pressure
and your equilibrium,your middle ear.
Mm hmm.
Yeah. Those.
Those ear injuries aremore common than people
(10:31):
tend to realize.
So people will get slammedon the water and have vertigo
from damaged middle ears.
So it's not uncommon for usto have a surfer out there
kind of paddling in circles.
And that's when we knowsome damage has occurred to the
stimulus system.
So, yeah, it's a very weird one,but not often talked about.
(10:53):
We always like to focus oncervical spine,
shoulder, whatever it maybe, concussions, but
the vestibular thing isoften not talked about. So
that's our system that keepsus in balance.
So there is there's more to itthan the paddling out there.
And okay, so you need to be ableto jump up on your board.
(11:15):
You need to be able to balanceon your board.
Yeah, I don't even focuson that at first.
I'm like, we just got tofocus on your body's
ability to stand up and there'stons of real BS we could
laugh at like, Oh,we're receiving forgiving serum
secreting Sarah Marshall.
Uh huh.
Have you seen that one? Yeah.
It's like aura.
(11:36):
He's up there and he's like,Do, let's do less.
He's trying to stand up,but I would I think of that one
every time because people oftentry too hard.
But yeah, you got to havethe flexibility
range of motion toessentially do a burpee right
from the ground.
So that's a common methodof training that.
But yeah, jumping up,do you ever see people doing
(12:00):
that on the land firstbefore they even
get into the water?
Oh sure, yeah.
You're walk by a surf schooland typically they have 5
to 10 participants at going overthe basics, the mechanics
of how to stand up and whetheryou've tried snowboarding
or skateboardingor surfing before.
There's two styles, right?
(12:21):
There's regular and goofy.
You know, regular wouldbe your left foot or
goofy is your right foot.
Now, there's speculationwhy people go this way.
Like, why wouldn't someone surffor the right foot
forward or left for work?
I'm goofy.
I can't figure out why,but I've tried to surf regular,
but my brain and my body justdoesn't happen.
(12:44):
And so you'll be on the beachand I'll say, Stand up
and get into a surf position.
And whateverposition you get in,
that's where you go.
Feels natural.
Yeah, whateveris natural for you, you know?
Yeah.
Right handed.
And then that has nothingto do with it.
But I just have to put my rightfoot forward so we don't try
to chop up your rightfoot forward.
(13:05):
Personally, yeah.
I can't do more.
Feels right.
Okay.
Yeah, I can't.
Snowboarders skate or anythingthe opposite way.
It just feels so wrong.
Huh.
So we don't try to change that.
We're like, whatever.
That's what you do.
That's.
You never work.
Yeah.
With it.
Well, does it matter which waythe wave is coming from
as far as balancing better?
(13:26):
Yeah.
Great questionfor the left foot.
Yeah.
So waves can either be a leftor right break or a point break.
I'm sure everyonehas seen that movie
with Patrick Swayze and KeanuReeves might break.
That just refers to the wayit breaks over the reef.
Typically, waves come in atdifferent angles, so you can
either go left or right.
(13:47):
So that's just the waythe way it pushes
you won't breakthe spoke direction.
And that's why they'reso popular, because they cater
to both regular and goofystyle surfers.
So these little variablesdon't mean much and you can surf
a normal I give you aright and just
there are differentwaves that surf,
different stances better.
(14:09):
So and in my case,going left is more easy.
So my right foot forwardso I can kind of face the wave.
And that's a lot to processfor the audience, right?
But sometimes I'm picturing thatin my mind.
Yeah, Sometimes just Googlingan image of different
wave breaks is really helpful.
You're having a hard timeimagining it, but yeah,
(14:31):
just Google Point break.
Not the movie, but the image.
And that should make senseto you.
Mm hmm.
Yeah, but that actuallycomes full circle
back to how we train and helprehabilitate surfers
who get injured.
Depending on your body position,you will overuse and underused
(14:52):
certain muscle.
So whatever foot is or whereyou tend to use that
glute medius moreso the hip abductor,
that will see a lotof like tendinitis and the
no sustained issues as welllow back pain.
And because you're alwaysin that one sided position,
we have to trainthe opposite side to compensate.
(15:16):
So a lot of surfers,if they were doing
their whole lives, will have toturn the opposing
muscle groups offto keep symmetry balanced.
I saw one of your TikTokvideos of you balancing on it
look like a band and ing on it.
Taken a few stepsand then I'm like, Oh my gosh,
talk about balance, you know,hold my arm.
(15:38):
Yeah.
Have you never seen this before?
No, it's.
Wow.
I just, like, really?
Because everything's gotto be steady.
You got your legs, your ankles,your feet, your hips, you know,
your core, everything.
Yeah.
We call that the kinematicchain, right?
If you have a deficitin your ankle strength or
(16:01):
knee strength,it's going to affect
your whole way up.
And so when there's no waves,you'll see a lot of
people out here put up thesethings called slack lights,
which is a tightrope.
Yeah, between trees.
It's about two feetoff the ground.
So when you follow, youland on the stand
relatively safe.
Relatively, yeah.
Is that what be though?
(16:22):
Is it is this like a regular.
It's like.
Yeah.
It's like now it's a toe straplike when you pull carts out
of ditches.
Oh, okay.
Like this.
I don't remember riding.
I'm curious to let you know.
Yeah. Yeah.
I like if you have a tow strapin your car to pull a car out,
(16:43):
maybe.
You know, stuff I actually haveone of those.
I'll have to set it up.
Yeah, that's what it is.
It's like a two inch wide.
There's one inch wide once.
But yeah, if you justwalk up it, it's like when
there's a little go.
And that's where your bodyhas to compensate and there's
no waves.
I mean, we can't predictMother Nature that way.
Right, I'll answer.
(17:03):
But those slack lines upto essentially do balance
and stability training.
Yeah, we always like beingat the beach too.
Right.
So a how to.
Yeah. Yeah.
I'll have to taketake my toe line
out to the beach.
We're here.
The ladies are going to bestarting to train soon
because in June we have our it'scalled her turn surfing
(17:26):
surfing event.
Okay.
Personal trainerthat I know here
in the community, Heather,she Heather Tran.
She's the one who started it.
I believe last yearwas the first one.
Just all women surfers at alllevels.
Yeah.
So they're going to be startingif they haven't already started
their training.
So it'll be cool to take thatout to the beach and have them
(17:48):
practice their, their balanceand all of these.
Yeah, especially with the femalesurfer demographic.
We when we use Slack linefor training for surfing,
I always like to have themfocus on neutral, always.
So just standing on one leg,very subtle, bending the knee
and then just maintain stabilityfor 30 seconds to a minute
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and then trying to switchbetween the three.
The reason for that iswhen you're able
to stand on one leg and keepa neutral pelvis that drains
a muscle, the group medius.
So if you have weakness inthat muscle, we call it
the model walk, you'll see thestrap left and right.
They call that a BrandenburgGate pattern and why
(18:30):
it's so important in thefemale population, there's a
are you familiar with you angle?
Yes. Yeah.
So wider hips women and widerthan men.
And what happens is the femurwill internally rotate more
and they callthat Jenny Belgium.
If the media is weak,it's going to create more strain
(18:52):
on the inside of the kneebecause of the wider hips.
And that's why a lot offemale surfers are more prone
to ACL and ACL.
Tear just an anatomicalvariation, but that's why
we focus on that strengthtraining for
not just surfers butbasketball players
and baseball players and allfemale sports.
Yeah, we want tostart that early to like around
(19:14):
12 to 30.
We see most ACL tears around16 years old female athletes.
So it's important if you're outthere listening and you have a
young daughter, maybe you area young teenager.
It's important to trainthose muscles to help reduce the
risk of injury.
Some Yeah, but Slack runs.
Good way to do it.
Ah yeah. Lo fi.
(19:36):
Add up to a couple of palm treeson the beach and have some fun
with your friends, right? Yeah.
It's cheapest form ofentertainment you'll ever find.
It's like 40 bucks.
And every time I put it up,I might do it today if not too
many waves.
Once the kids come by and,you know, I would just tell
the parents might just holdtheir hands.
It's.
It's on you.
I don't want to be responsibleabout.
(19:57):
Yeah, I gotcha.
Athletes have fun.
It's a it's a very, very cheapway of entertaining
everyone for hours.
Yeah.
So you have a lot of peoplethat come to you
with shoulder damagefrom surfing.
Yeah.
It's not injuries.
Yeah, it's mostly overuseinjuries.
So tendinitis and theassists bursitis like chronic
(20:20):
degenerative conditions.
But every now and againwe'll see like impact
from falls or acute injurieslike liberal tears
where the arm willhyper are extended to an
abnormal position.
That happened to me.
I wiped out and Iput my arm forward
to stop myself.
But the board caught my armand yanked it back over my head
(20:43):
and I wound up with somethingcalled a slap here and that
needed surgery down.
Have you heard of the label?
Tears in the shoulder?
No, no.
The labrum is kind of likea clump that holds.
Ah, she were all had in place.
It's a stabilizing factor.
We have one in the hip as well.
But if there's trauma to theshe risks, it goes into an
(21:06):
abnormal position like whetheryou've fallen
an outstretched arm or you thinkyour arm back
over head too fast,the bone itself will dig
into the cartilage, the laborand tear it.
And so that unfortunatelydoes not repair on its arm.
You need surgery to helprepair labor.
And yeah, otherwiseit'll just like click and snap
and pop all the time.
(21:28):
And so they had to go on thereand essentially just suture
it back together.
And so it wasn't too bad.
But recovery six months now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I couldn't work out or surfor anything or,
you know, just domy little weights and stretches.
But you know, the suturesessentially heal.
(21:48):
So at it takes time.
Yeah.
So you had to restrain yourselfand not go do what
you love to do every day.
No, thank you,artist part, right?
Oh, my God.
Yeah, I know.
I was just hiking and doingcardio by me, and that's just
how it goes with life.
You know, I always tell people,don't focus on
(22:11):
what you can't do.
Focus on what you can do.
So whether you enjoyyour shoulder,
you're still capable of walking,you're still capable of
going outside now.
And that's no differentthan, um, you know,
I think it's a good metaphorfor life, not just physical
well-being.
Mm.
Yeah, but we oftenget too caught up
(22:34):
in our own pastlife mistakes, rate
ups that you're, you're not.
And try not to be a psychologistthere. Right.
But hey, blood's over.
Yeah, it definitely does.
Yeah.
Don't focus on your pastfailures.
Focus on your future success.
And right there you go.
Learn from your past failuresand move on.
(22:54):
Yeah, yeah, that's a podcast.
I was listening to you recentlyfocusing on your losses in life.
Turn those L's into lessonsand fell off them and fail
a lot to learn more.
That was the plot.
The beautifulthing about surfing is no matter
who you are, if you'reKelly Slater or if you're just
(23:16):
starting off,you're going to fall
everyone involved.
So there's there's yeah,it's a fun sport because
everyone falls at themno matter who you are.
And so that's half the fun.
Like, yeah, enjoying the ride,Just that little wave.
Having a good time.
Absolutely.
(23:36):
Yeah.
So do do you see a lotof injuries out there or
not really.
I mean, I of courseit happens, but like on a basis,
is there a lot of stuffgoing wrong?
Yeah, it's relativelysafe sport.
Meaning you just know howto fall right?
Man in the water,protect yourself.
(23:56):
Most injuries come fromother boards.
Maybe a novice surferwho doesn't have control
of their body.
Then they let it goand that ball will be kind of
pushing forward by the lakeor the water will and it'll
hit someone in the hand or the.
Yeah, the female slice someone.
So we'll see a lot of thelacerations as
(24:17):
well or more than I or justinjury from the reef.
You get pushed into the reef too much
and volcanic rock is not soft,it will cut you.
And that's almost everyone'sfirst experience of Hawaii.
Is that rock sharp?
Yeah.
You walk on barefoot,you're going to have cuts on
(24:38):
your feet, has no differentin the water.
So when you get crushed into it,you can stay a little.
Is it any worse than coral?
Like the coral reefs,The volcanic rock?
Yeah, it's just about the same.
I mean, I would say it's worsejust because of the lava rock.
Yeah, the way it breaksdown, it's a little sharper.
(24:58):
But there are coralreefs out here too.
But not as much.
Yeah, not.
But they'll drop.
But the lava rocks areeverywhere.
Yeah, Yeah.
And that's what createsthe surf, Right.
And so the break the,the lava rock, different depth.
When the wave goes over it,it creates that way.
So wherever you seewaves out here, there's a
(25:19):
volcanic rock underneath itor a reef.
So. Mm.
Just kind of like be careful,don't go over there a little
too shallow.
And that's why it helpsto have someone
take you out, knows where to go,what to avoid.
Yeah, but yeah, there'sMarine life out here too.
So jellyfish, all thatcan bother you year round.
(25:40):
Yeah. Yeah.
There's different seasonslike Portuguese matter,
the the ones that suck the most.
Have you heard of those?
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
I jumped into one once.
Lovely.
I, I like electric too.
The bolts on my armfor about a week.
Oh it's for that long.
Wow. Yeah.
It'll, it'll wrap around you andI'll have these pretty red lines
(26:03):
that will stay onyou for a good four
or five days.
A tattoo you don't want.
Yeah, Yeah, exactly.
You know.
Yeah.
I see them on faces and backsand it's just like I'll read.
It's not the worst,but it's not funny either.
Yeah, yeah.
But we do see, we do seea lot of acute injuries as
(26:24):
well out here, but mostly it'sthe lifeguards, not so much
the surfers themselves.
Now, I mean, think about it.
You're in Florida and you get alot of snowbirds
out there, right?
So New Jersey, New York, right.
All East Coast,not only snowbirds,
(26:44):
but all kinds of touristsand visitors.
Yeah, around the world.
Yeah.
Two zero global.
So they go out to Daytonaor wherever they're in Orlando
and they want to gosee the ocean.
Maybe the waves are big one dayand they don't swim.
Mm.
It happens allthe time out here.
Well somethingcalled shore breaks.
(27:04):
So where are the wavesbig enough where it breaks
on the shoreline.
People either the attractive,they want to go check it out.
It's visually stunning.
And the problem is peopledon't realize how
powerful they are,but mostly people kind of
playing in the shore breakand then a big wave
will pitch up.
And then I'll justyou know, I mean, there's a
(27:25):
beach out here called Sadie's.
They call itBreakneck, Breakneck
Beach, about twoor three ambulances
a day out there.
Wow. Yeah.
It's like keep those guysbusy, huh?
Yeah, but, I mean, you getyou get thrown into the sand
really hard by a heavy away.
And if your neck lands wrongor your shoulder and strong, it
breaks bones. And not onlythat, but you're
(27:48):
getting dragged outinto the water.
Yeah.
If you don't know how to swimor you're panicking, a lot of
the lifeguards will go out thereand try to save you.
But I mean, I like thisstory a lot, but, you know,
you got a £300 guyfrom Wisconsin who does
a lot of swam and now he hasa hard shoulder and he's getting
yanked down to the oceanpanicking.
(28:09):
You got a £150 lifeguardtrying to save him.
And unfortunately, the lifeguardusually doesn't win
in that situation.
He didn't add up with thebicep tendon
strain or something, you know.
So, yeah, they're puttingtheir bodies
the life on the linejust to help you out.
And I'm so gratefulthey're there because
they saved me.
Mm.
(28:29):
Yeah.
Okay.
When you, when you hurtyour shoulder.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
So that's.
Yeah, exactly right.
Uh, that when I got hurt,the board got broken in half to
the big way.
Not only do I have one arm,but no board to hold on to.
And I was like, Oh,yeah, and oh, crap moment.
(28:54):
But they're new to survivalreally fast and I treading
water on the hard shoulder andthank God they saw me out there
and I'm on a jetski andthey're like this
My buddy is like,You're going to hang out
for a little while longer.
You want some help?
I'm like, Oh, just,you know, treading water on it.
You just joking with him.
But he's the kid.
(29:14):
I like my shoulderspretty bad now.
Yeah.
Good guy. Good guy.
Yeah. Yeah.
He actually got hurtnot too long after that.
On the jetski itself.
He took a big wave and broke hisfemur just from the impact
of the wave.
He didn't fall offthe jetski, but just going over
(29:35):
a big wave, it landedand the impact alone
just broke his leg,which is the hardest
bone to break.
But let me just give you an ideaof the force
of the big waves up.
Oh, the power of the ocean.
You don't fool aroundwith Mother Nature out there.
You know he wins every time.
Yeah, Yeah.
(29:56):
Whether you're free diving,scuba diving, spearfishing
is big in Florida, right?
Or surfing.
You just got to be careful.
Know your limitationsand trial and error.
That's the best way.
I mean, be safe.
I don't knowif you've heard this
saying before, but whenin doubt, don't go out.
Makes sense.
Yeah. Yeah.
(30:16):
So we try to convey thatto everyone to like,
hey, my shoulder hurts a lot.
Like go up if you'requestioning it,
go, go out there.
Yeah.
You need the strengthof the body to to be able
to perform at your optimum best.
Yeah.
I hope that answersyour questions about
different types of injuriesout here, but
(30:38):
mostly it's sprains and strainsand stuff you see in
typical sports arenas inany capacity.
But the uniqueness that everyonewants to know about is the
shark attacks, right?
That's the extra one variablethat these people
out of the water, right?
Yeah.
So but it happens more tothose who fear the ocean
(31:01):
won't even go, you know,to the beach or go swimming
because the sharks out there.
Sure.
But and you know,they're out there.
But the majority of the time,you know, they don't
want to eat people.
Right now, we're noton the menu.
I'm a scuba instructor.
And every time I come acrossa shark, what we teach people is
go vertical, not horizontal.
(31:23):
Mm hmm.
And they're so old, They're.
They're dinosaurs.
Right?
So if you're horizontalswimming, whether you're
fluid, Right?
So if you base them and govertical, they're like,
we don't know what you are.
They'll swim away.
All Oh, bother.
But it's hardto stand your ground
when you have that right.
Your lizard brain kicking andfear right, a top one.
(31:45):
Now you have hugesharks out there
along the coast.
Oh, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's.
Yeah.
It's unfortunate to say,but just an attack.
Yeah, but it's the other daylike it's obvious off there.
They're fine.
They a board was bitten buttiger sharks are big on our.
(32:05):
I'll show you a photo.
I took my this was anhowever which is
our own North Shore.
I know your viewers can't see itright now, but
I sent this one toNational Geographic.
Mm.
Because this is the biggest onethat I've seen a lot.
You can see that.
Okay.
How many feet do you thinkthat is?
(32:27):
They sound pretty bigbecause there's a diver
right next to it,and it's like a reef
size of the diver.
Yeah, he's about six feet.
And that shark is about 17feet. Yes.
Yeah.
No, I think.
Yeah, it's a pregnant femalesince she's about 16, 17 feet.
I mean it's biggerand some boats are.
(32:48):
Yeah.
But I saw, I saw theshark in the water and my
is like in a photoI'm like I think I'm saying
by the ladder.
Okay, but some people don'thave that fear in them.
And I do like, you know,I was afraid to go in the pool
after watching Jaws, right?
Oh, you know, that moviejust ruined it
for so many people.
(33:10):
And yeah, Shark Weekcomes out on TV during diving
season.
You know, I'm on shark Week.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And you're on it.
I watched you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I had to pull a guy in afterhe got his legs
beat up out here.
I know.
Not a fan story.
Oh, wow.
Where he was just swimmingin the water.
(33:31):
And typically snorkelersand swimmers will get attacked
way more because they'resplashing right like that
distressed animal.
And we were kayaking this dayand a man had gotten attacked
from behind by a tiger shark.
And it took one of his legsand the other one was kind
of hanging out.
But we pulled them intothe shore and did CPR.
(33:52):
And he survived.
We're friends to this day,but as 12 to 15 already
a year, they're eight years ago.
But yeah, that was my one momenton the National GEO GEO Channel.
So where we are you know it'sa cool though is after
(34:12):
he got healed up I got to dopeachy with him.
So I got to help him out throughhis recovery and
I gained trainingwith his prosthetic
wound, healing and all that.
So physical therapists to oureveryone thinks just
exercise, right?
But it's a little bitmore involved.
So we do a neurological rehab,we can do amputations.
(34:33):
We deal with wound care and howthose injuries
need to be improvedwhile we're healing.
So when I work with likemy veterans who have
amputations, you know,you have to talk about,
oh, contractures modificationof the prosthetics.
It's involved.
So it's a lot to think about,just trying to get people
to start living a ordinary lifeas ordinary as it can be
(34:57):
once again.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You and I were brieflytalking the other day about
one of your clientswho's dealing with soap issues.
Right.
And that the underlying factor,if you don't mind me
saying, was no, you got to askwhen you have
multiple sclerosis.
Uh huh.
And for those unfamiliarwith that, that's a systemic
(35:18):
neurological, degenerativecondition and unfortunately
no cure.
So in addition to all theselike orthopedic
problems they have,they also have a hard time
controlling their musclesas well because
of their damaged, for lack forkeep it to keep it simple.
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
There's never just one problemwith people where
(35:39):
we're very complex,and that's why
every case is just a littlebit different.
I hope that makes senseto your listeners.
Yeah, I think it willmake sense to them.
Okay. Yeah.
Yeah.
It's never justone thing in life.
You're lucky if it's justone thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've never seen it.
That's why is my nigger.
(36:01):
Well, it's because this, thisand that.
It's never, you know,sometimes you
get, like, you know,just the stranger sprain.
There's also a variable behindthat here.
Mm.
Yourself Ask why did thisinjury happen.
And maybe it's from sportsor trauma, but sometimes
just to this being off balanceor asymmetry or something
(36:21):
like that and being offbalance and not even
realizing it during andyeah, I mean there's so many
people out there who,you know, I'm sure you know,
with exercise and training,they need it.
Absolutely.
And just like me, I'm sureyou exercise every day.
Right.
Try to.
(36:42):
Yeah.
I mean, it's like in my DNA.
I can't.
I got to do something I like,even if it's just walking along
my body.
Yeah.
And I had a bad day this week.
Rehab, Right?
And I was I found myselfat the gym just like
on an elliptical.
Like, I can't wait to getout of here. Right.
Just why am I here?
This sucks.
(37:03):
Well, I did my hour,and I'm, like, going home
and I'm watchingNetflix, whatever.
But you just get it done.
You kind of.
You had it.
You made your bed that morning.
I did.
Yeah, I know.
That morning you went to the gymand you didn't feel over
being there every day.
So there are a lot.
(37:23):
Last podcast for those of youwho didn't hear it
with Brian, he said,We got to start our day
by making our bed.
Right, Brian Make your bed.
It's the set up for successfor the day.
Well, I mean, if you can'thandle it, that's like
making your bed.
You're going to have a hard timegetting through your day, right?
Word to ask, phonecalls, emails, friends,
(37:44):
lovers, families, whateverit may be at.
You know, and I justI think that if you get your
bed in order, literally, or youget out of your house, it's
and then you come onit's were made.
But I like I know it'ssimple mix it up again right.
Yeah but there's nothing betterthan like crawling into a nice
(38:07):
clean bed when you're tired.
Yeah, but yeah, it'sthe small things
in life that matter.
And creating habits,weight loss, working under
cardiovascular health.
I think in our societywe get off to weighing down
on weight loss, tryingto look like a darker body.
(38:29):
But what you need to focus onis just general well-being.
Worry about.
Yeah, you're feeling good,feeling good inside and out
about yourself.
Yeah.
And I mean, there'sso many neurologists
and podcasts out there todayabout how the benefits
of walking around the blockin for depression, anxiety
(38:52):
out on cognitive functioning,all these variables that I,
I don't want to touch butso much research just read
Yeah and swimming so that's whyI believe surfing's so good.
There's a lot of booksaround that the science
behind surfingand how it changes our mindset
and beliefs.
(39:12):
Our outlook on life changes andconnecting with nature,
and whether if youdon't have access to the water,
you know, connecting with naturecould look like a park.
A lake could be walkingin a forest, something may.
But I, I truly believe it'smore important than anything.
(39:34):
And fortunately I livepretty close to the beach,
and at the very least,I'll do a bike ride
around the park everyday, justjust to kind of let go
of whatever the day'sproblems were.
Know, I can onlyspeak for myself, but I think if
a lot more people did that,a lot less stress, yeah,
(39:55):
the world would be abetter place.
I hope so.
Yeah. Yeah.
Nice to drink.
And, you know, and there's justsomething about the water.
Even if you're not in it,you know, seeing it,
like you said, walking or bikeriding near it.
The sound of the ocean.
Yeah.
I brought my hammock upon Sundays and just read,
(40:17):
you know, like my.
That's my Sunday hobby.
Just hammock reading,listen to the ocean
and a palm tree andI think that's why I'm still
here in Hawaii, becauseyou can do that and it just
finding your own little whatevermakes you happy my friend
You read that too?
Just sitting by the water,just doing nothing and that.
(40:39):
Yeah, but I still tryto exercise those days still.
Right?
So yeah.
So bike ride to the beachFluently.
Why not?
If you live that closeespecially.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you're pretty closeto your right.
I am 1015 minutes to park.
Yeah. Yeah.
Accessible.
So are you.
You're from Florida, right?
(41:00):
No.
Born on Long Island, New York.
Oh, okay.
But my family movedto South Florida when I was
14 years old.
Okay, So I feel like I'ma Floridian.
I've been here for so long.
Yeah, Yeah.
The rest of my familyhas moved away, but me and my
kids are still here in Florida.
(41:20):
Yeah.
Yeah, I.
Well, I was fortunateenough to call Florida home
for a little while.
That was my first,you know, connection
with the beach right.
And having.
Yeah, just South Florida,just being able to go out there
any day.
Well, on the weekends, but stilljust having the ability
(41:41):
to change my viewon a lot of things.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Fortunate.
I think we're fortunate, right?
Absolutely.
Yeah.
I've always been nearthe ocean, though.
Even being raisedon Long Island, where, you know,
the ocean was all around us,you know, it's
a little island off the sideof the state up there
in New York.
(42:01):
And we went to the beachall summer long.
Of course, wintertime.
It was just way too cold.
Water was freezing.
And even in the summer,I can remember the temperature
of the water being colder upnorth than it is here.
Oh, yeah, the Atlantic.
Yeah, my fun.
I've been diving out therein the Atlantic
and it's it's called the Hole.
(42:22):
Yeah, but something about theculture too.
The fishermen, the the thethe activities.
Just the seagulls and the beach.
Huh, Girls?
Right.
To me, anyway,I know not everyone.
Everyone's a beach lover.
Some people hate the beach.
I know.
I know so many people that livearound here that don't even go.
It's like I even live hereand understand it.
(42:45):
It's definitely not the Well,Florida's nice,
but the weather canbe pretty brutal.
It can be, yeah.
So it doesn't get that hot therein Hawaii.
Know for very fortunateI was trade winds so the winds
come across the the islandfrom the windward
to the leeward side.
Now in the winterthere's more breeze so there's
(43:09):
always some kind of airflowwhereas in Florida
I mean there's dayslike in Miami where
there's no fire.
It's just humid still.
And that's why I thinkit doesn't feel
that hot out here, just alwayswent down.
We're very fortunate. It'sgeographically it's
a weird place to be.
The middle of the Pacific, likeone of the most isolated
(43:33):
places on earth.
But it used to freak me outwhen I first moved out here.
I like we're pretty far out.
I live in a way outon an island here.
I mean, there'd be like, Well,what if something
bad happens, right?
And well, and this isbeen used to it.
That's when you learnhow to be a pilot
so you can have a little planeto get out of there.
(43:56):
But I've accepted my fate.
I'm like, Well, if this is whereI am, that well, that's
not a bad place.
Yeah, there you go.
I know I've got to gosome time, right?
It's not so bad going as a as aas a Hawaiian native.
Look, I.
Yeah, I had my first earthquakeabout two weeks ago here, so.
Yeah, Yeah.
At I mean, they happen a lotbecause there's a big island
(44:16):
where there's constant lava flowall the time.
So seismic activity, but abig earthquake happened
two weeks ago and my bedwas shaking for like 20 seconds.
And I looked outsidelike there's construction
in my buildingbecause I've never realized
that was an earthquakefor my house, because the
idiot shaking this walland I, I was eight.
(44:37):
I went back down to do my workand my buddy called me
and he's like, difficultearthquake.
Oh, it didn't even hit me.
Like, that's howambiguous I was.
I never know what was happeningthen.
Yeah, of the.
Yeah.
Little, little thingsabout island living even after
ten years.
That's first time out here.
Yeah, well, thank goodness.
(44:58):
Just the one and not so big,right?
So really.
Yeah. So.
Okay.
And so I know I saidwe were going to be
talking about surfing,but let's talk a little bit more
about the diving out therein Hawaii.
You're a certified instructor.
Yeah, right.
Haddie Yeah, My trainingwas mostly in Florida, Mexico
and Indonesia, and, yeah,I wanted to learn more as
(45:21):
we go longer.
And the marine life out hereis what attracts
most scuba divers.
So We do have manta rays,varieties of sharks,
humpback whales.
And although you're not supposedto go after the whales,
they're out here.
So it's pretty amazing.
We get a chance to die withthe sound alone.
(45:41):
It's it's like, I don't know,Universe, Soul connection
not to get toit'd be Debbie and.
Yeah, but it just I don't know.
You're just connectingwith these animals that are
larger than life.
Yeah.
They look at youor you look at them
and we're we're each mammals, sothere's something
(46:02):
magic about it.
Spiritual armor.
Yeah.
We've had some right whales hereoff of Flagler Beach.
They come all the way downthis way, usually start
coming down in January,February, and then start
heading back late, you know,a few months later.
But yeah, what a sight.
What a sight you haveyou ever been in the water
(46:25):
with any?
No.
When I saw one for thefirst time with a baby, I.
Oh, my gosh.
That's what I wanted to do.
I just wanted to hike up in thewater and swim to it.
It's.
It's a weird feeling.
I've I have been guiltyof diving off a boat and just
swimming out to them.
Yeah.
You're not supposed to do thathere in Hawaii.
I'm not supposed todo it here either.
(46:46):
You're supposed toleave him alone.
So you're in the Philippinesand Thailand.
It's a little different.
They're like, Yeah, have funat the back.
So like with whale sharksand all that, you
get so mild to them and they're,you know, as long as you're
not harassing them,it's a little it's
generally okay.
Yeah, I've been on boatswhere I see a whale shark
(47:06):
and I'm like headfirst up again.
She they're just, I don't know,they're just so cool.
I find it absolutelyfascinating.
So as a dive instructor, do youteach groups of divers or do you
individuals?
How do you do? Yeah.
So right now I'm not doingfor work.
It just volunteerthrough the VA.
(47:27):
Oh, the building and stuff.
Yeah. Yeah.
So I'm adaptive scuba.
So people who may be paraplegicor have trauma from war,
maybe it's an amputation ormaybe it's brain injuries,
traumatic braininjuries or whatever it may be.
We'll be there to guide thembecause they need help to,
(47:48):
you know.
Oh, I didn't mention thiswith you, too, but there's an
organization I volunteerfor out here called Access
Search, where we get physically,mentally disabled
kids out the wateron surfboards.
So, yeah, it could be anythingfrom congenital deformities
or just, ah, cognitiveabnormalities, spinal bifida,
cerebral palsy.
(48:08):
And they're they'rewheelchair bound.
And you get them in the waterfor the first time.
It's just magic.
I don't know.
Something about the wateroverwhelming with emotions.
And I want to, like,cry, talking about, oh, my God,
those kids, like,they they spend their whole
lives just in a wheelchairand you get them in
the water for the first time.
It's like magic.
It's so sorry.
(48:30):
That's a drop off now.
That's great.
Yeah.
Scuba diving is the same.
You're.
You're weightless.
You are just re most people areso afraid of it.
But once you get in thereand you realize you're
totally safe, it's you're flyingthrough all the different
environment.
You're out of this world.
Like, literally, we don't belongthere.
(48:51):
And it's sad becauseit's like, once
you get comfortable,it's like walking
through the forest.
Yeah.
And there's no noise.
You just.
It's quiet.
Peace.
You get time to think and you'rejust staring at this coral
and marine life and it's justit's like a walk in the woods.
But spring bliss,the nice thing, a lot of
(49:12):
beautiful places to go scubadiving there.
Hawaii is unique because it'smostly volcanic, right?
So there's not a lotof coral reefs.
And that's why peoplemostly travel to our Philippines
or Indonesia, Australia forfor the Great Barrier Reef
or I've been to Belize andyeah, Mexico for these things.
(49:35):
But yeah, Hawaii it's, it's,it's volcanic so it's not
very beautiful on the bottombut the marine life attracts is
appealing.
So dolphins.
Yeah the variety oftropical fish that we'll
see out here have yourfavorite spots to go to.
Yeah.
So it's called shark's Cove.
(49:56):
That's on the northshore of Oahu.
And you can onlygo in the summertime
because the winter season wavesare way too big, just not safe.
And there's all theselittle lava tubes and columns
that you could swim through.
And so you'll be divingand you just get to swim
through these like, oh,5 to 6 foot wide lava tubes.
(50:18):
And there's all sorts of eelsand lobsters, octopus
and all kinds of cool thingsto check out.
And you're just exploring.
It's a cool.
Yeah, it's likethe coolest thing that yeah,
I fell in love with itwhen I started in Miami.
Gosh, there was alreadylike 16 years ago.
I've been doing itnow 16 years diving.
(50:40):
So yeah, it's taken me aroundthe world.
So I can only speakabout my passions, but I
encourage everyone to findsomething out there like that,
whether it's hiking, biking orwhatever, something that
can take you around the planet.
That's smart.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's my excuse.
Anyway, I'm going to.
(51:02):
Sounds like a good excuse to me.
Go for it. Right.
I got to go to Mexico.
I I'm going to go scubadiving in this remote areas
which are like ground watercaves.
They're awesome.
But yeah, I justreally want to go to Mexico now.
Follow my friends.
There's tattoo style.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
(51:22):
Okay.
Well, all right.
So is there anything elsethat you would like to add
to our information here for ourlisteners as far as surfing
or diving goes, they're notspecific, but in generalities,
surfing can be one of the mostliberating things you can do.
For me, it changed my life.
I never thought I'd be out herein Iraq in the middle
of the ocean surfing, but hereI am.
(51:43):
You know, So if youhave any fears or questions
or concerns, I mean,you can reach out
to me directly.
But it's all about just beingcomfortable to grow in life.
And the surfing is definitelyone of those things
that will makeyou uncomfortable.
And people always thinkyou have to be young.
Now, I'm not sure at all.
I mean, there's people out herewho are starting in
(52:05):
their 60, right?
So they see it all the time.
People come out hereand their one dream in life
has been the surf.
Waikiki.
Well, because I was reallytrying to remember, Oh, yeah,
we go now Google does.
That is the movie.
Oh, man, I got I got to lookyou got to like.
(52:27):
But anyway, these these movies,they grew up watching
and they want to come out here.
It's a lifelong dream, so it'snever too late to start
something new.
That's my only advicefor you out there is that
if you have somethingthey want to do, you know,
today's the day.
I'll wait it out thereand do that because we
don't know what it's goingto bring us.
Really enjoy your life,you know, try your best week.
(52:51):
Well, you and I were talkingabout diseases,
you know, sometimeslife loss plans.
Well, yeah, they get disruptedby injury or neurological
conditions or, you know, I don'twant to say the
big C word, but it happensright now.
Yeah.
So I try to be healthyand realize that health is the
(53:12):
greatest while.
Right.
So I try to remind myselfof that every day like you
and go to the beach, you can goto the gym.
There are some people out thereexcuse me, there are some people
out there who don't getthat opportunity.
They get the wish to doa push up or a bench press tour
and you're looking at itlike work.
It's like nowyou get to do this.
This is your privilege.
(53:33):
You should be grateful.
Yeah.
So I hope there'sa consciousness collective shift
in America now because thebenefits of exercising
far outweigh a sedentarylifestyle.
So and I'm sure you've seenthis trend in recent years
too, on just lack of activity,all the factors that come along
(53:57):
with being unhealthy.
Uh huh, yeah.
Laziness.
Get off the couch.
Not good.
Yeah.
I mean, there'sso many variables to consider
and everyone wantsto talk about diet, nutrition
and vitamins and supplements.
But the other day about movinga little bit more, so finding
whatever it is makes you happy.
(54:19):
And yeah, maybe it's a walkaround the park with your dog.
That's why, you know,I think animals
are so important to everyone.
Just getting us up and moving.
Yeah, they like to do.
They like to the animals, right?
They.
They like their walks.
I know.
Mine does.
You have dogs?
I have a Dalmatiansitting beside me.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
(54:39):
I saw him walking around.
I know it's not my girl,you know, It's a jogger
walking around.
Yeah.
I mean, domination.
And in terms of exercise,they do a lot of energy,
especially the first five yearsof their life.
They're still on a puppy stage.
She hit six years old andfinally decided to slow
down a little bit.
(55:00):
But she still likes herwalks, you know?
Yeah, we are constantly roomiesfor five years, right?
Uh huh, Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, boy.
Yeah.
Well, what's your dog's name?
Many, many.
Aly. Aly.
Okay, there is some talkingabout you tail's wagging.
Yeah, the.
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I was tellingmy business partner, I, uh.
One day I'll geta dog here again.
So it's just nice.
I had one for a while.
He passed, but it was, you know,I had him at my clinic
and he's a therapy dog, sohe just wag it down.
Say hello to everyone at once.
We just let him goaround on the beach.
I mean, that wasthat was a happy.
Yeah.
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He lived the probably thebest life I think any
dog could have, you know.
Yeah.
Come in and work withyou every day and getting
to the beach and evenwhen I went back to work
you just stay out thereand everyone knew him.
So it was justlike uses like this local dog
that got the hang outwith surfers all day
and people's feet come back tothe clinic when he was tired
(56:06):
or wanted water.
All right.
Yeah, true, true.
Hawaii dog Manu.
Yeah, but yeah, Mondo meansbird out here, so I'll use free
bird for sure.
Yeah, it was great for that,you know, And there was
only in like the tourist areasdo they have restrictions
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on like leashes and all that.
But typically everywhere elseyou can just let your animals
go free.
Really?
Yeah.
So just Waikiki and.
Yeah, Honolulu.
Waikiki. They have.
You have to dog on a leashmakes outsiders.
Some dogs are nice,some aren't so nice.
That's true.
Yeah.
The responsibilityof the owner, right?
I mean.
Yeah, especially with all thetourism.
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You just want less stress.
But for the most part,any other island that you go
to, you'll just see dogsout there on the beach
playing Frisbee, having fun.
So.
And their element,I don't know how
it is in Florida,I can't recall.
But I think they have strictlaws, right?
Oh, yeah.
Most of Florida.
Yeah.
You have to haveyour dog on a leash or they have
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to be trained very well.
Right.
And even as far as taking themon the beach, there is
restrictions of whereyou can take them.
I mean here it's a little bitbetter than down south.
Down south was onlya small portion of the beach,
only certain times of the day.
And here we can be eitherten blocks north or south
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from our pier.
And you can walk your dogson the beach,
play with your dogson the beach.
But they they ask for youto have a leash on the dog.
Yeah.
Makes it a little easierto play, but.
Yeah, yeah, but if I know you,you've trained your dog well,
and she's a good girl.
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Yeah. Yeah.
All right, Brian, this is great.
Thanks for coming on again.
And.
And talking with me and givingyour insight to everybody.
Yeah, we're my localsurfers are going to find
some interestin our topic today.
Yeah.
If you have anyspecific questions related to
pathologies or injuries,I didn't want to go too specific
(58:13):
because, you know, there's allsorts of ankle need pull it
back shoulder likepeople got hurt weird ways.
And if your listenershave any questions about that,
you can always reach out to medirectly.
I questions about, well, whatwe typically do or maybe even
how to tape up an injury.
There's a lot of resourceavailable online to reference.
(58:34):
So yeah, yeah, pleasefree to reach out.
Yeah.
And believe me,everybody, Brian, we'll
get back to you.
He really cared about people.
He's a great Yeah I thinkI think I mentioned this
last time on your podcast.
There's this book I readcalled Ikigai.
Yeah.
As in Japan and it's by purposeand for whatever reason, people
(58:54):
call me all the timefor injuries.
And usually I havepretty good advice.
Yeah, pretty good.
Yeah.
And most people lessand they get better.
So I'm happy to share aboutwith the human body.
It's complex.
So your best that isto get in front
of your physician or physicaltherapist locally so they can
actually take a lookat what makes great advice.
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Yes.
All right.
Thank you, Brian.
A pleasure to be here.
Thanks for inviting me again.
Hope you have a great tournamentcoming up and everyone
has a fun time.
That's all we can hope for.
Absolutely.
Aloha.
This is Angela Graysonfrom The Loving Life
Fitness Podcast.
(59:38):
To help others in their fitnessjourney.
It’s all possible.
It’s time to wake up.
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This is Angela Grayson fromThe Loving Life Fitness Podcast.
To help others in their fitnessjourney.
It's all possible.
(00:31):
It’s time to wake up.
Here we go.
Hey, everybody, This isAngela Grayson
from the Loving LifeFitness Podcast.
And today we're goingto be talking to Brian Jones
once again, the physicaltherapist from Hawaii.
Hey, Brian, how are you?
(00:52):
Aloha.
Angela I'm there just fine.
I love that.
I've been using that word a lot.
Aloha feels good.
I like it.
Once you get out here,you can't stop using it.
It's just part of the collectiveconsciousness.
The culture feels right.
Yeah, I'm thinking onceI get out there,
I might not want to come back.
What happened to me?
It's so beautiful.
(01:14):
So today we're going to betalking about surfing.
Brian, you're an avid surfer,and you're right there
in the depth of it.
You know what it's all about.
And you help otherswho want to get into surfing,
maybe train their bodies,and also help them deal
with issues that might come uplater on down the road.
So let's first talk aboutyour surfing experience.
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Yes, well, I am a Ohio boy,so not too many waves out there.
But I didn't even knowI really liked the ocean
until I went to grad schoolin Florida.
Florida.
Not too many waves.
So I got into scubadiving out there.
So I started a lovefor the ocean when I was,
you know, in Miami on the EastCoast diving.
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But I didn't even try surfinguntil I got out to Hawaii.
The waves are justvery predictable.
Warm water, very welcoming.
Once I got out here,I was determined to learn.
So first thing I boughtwas a car.
The second thing I about wasa surfboard.
That's it? Yeah.
I didn't even havea place to live yet.
And I was like, I'mgoing to learn.
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So I went every day where Iwould take three or four months
before I reallycould call myself a surfer.
Right.
So you can actually getthe hang of it takes a lot of
practice and skill.
And for those who maybe just learning, one of the
most valuable lessons is you maydeal with some tendinitis,
(02:39):
some overuse injuries.
I certainly did.
You tend to use certain musclesmore than you typically don't,
right?
Because you're paddling a lot.
I had to learn how to compensatefor these injuries and now has
helped me as a physicaltherapist to teach people
what to look out for.
Body positioning, kinematics,how you move your whole body
(02:59):
while you're in the way and howinjuries occur.
So it's been, oh, gosh,about 11 years now.
I really, you know, a learningexperience of a lifetime.
Are the waves monstrous?
They're compared to Florida.
Yeah.
The people say, well, what's thewhat's the seasons
like in Hawaii?
And we always jokethere's north swell
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and south swell.
Meaning in the winter, there'swaves coming in an orange.
And in the summer the wavescoming from the south.
And so the waves aretypically bigger on the north
shore of Oahu and the winterand at certain times
can reach 50 to 60 feet.
Wow.
Yeah, it's it's intense evenon the shoreline.
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If you're if you'restanding there, you can feel
the vibration of the waves.
Yeah, it's it's anunreal feeling.
You could watch it onTV all day, but until
you're there in person,it's different.
The power of nature.
And what about the summertime?
Yeah.
The biggest the waves will getwill call it double overhead,
meaning like two people.
So but typically they're aboutat high and Waikiki on a lulu.
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The waves are about four or fiveor six feet at most.
So it's more welcoming tomost people.
And that's typically the wavesI stay on.
It's about waist,shoulder height, just one
relaxing, controllable,manageable waves.
It's the water.
Always warm there.
Yeah, about 83 degrees yearround, year long.
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Wow. That's.
That's nice.
Yeah. Yeah.
Very welcoming.
Fun for watersportsall year round.
So we're very lucky.
I'm.
I'm very luckyto call this home.
Absolutely.
So we're going to behaving quite a few
surfing events herein Flagler Beach where I live
this month, are starting out.
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Let's see, March 15th,there's going to be the Flagler
Surf Series.
That's for three days.
And and it's for for all peoplewho want to be involved,
men, women and children.
Depending on your level,you can be brand new at it.
You can be or you can enter thecompetitive level.
So it's open to all.
I think that's pretty coolfor three days.
(05:09):
Yeah, I'm reading about itright now.
It looks like it'sthe third best wave in the
state of Florida.
But what's cool though, in threedays or kind of
an open tournament?
Mm hmm.
Nice.
I'm trying to lookat the predictions to see
what the waves are going to be,but that's a whole science
in itself.
Yeah, that's right.
(05:29):
It's called Sounds likeI'm going to say a list, but.
But the symmetry isthe study of waves, you know?
Well, there's a lot of moreintelligent people
than I'll ever be about this.
They look at ground swell winds,well, temperature
barometer readings and try tofigure out the best day
and times research.
Mm hmm.
(05:49):
Well, try now.
Look online right now aboutthe whole Maine period.
But it looks like it's just.
It's that day.
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
Out here, something perhapssomething called
a holding period.
Say, a tournament.
It'll last three days, butthe holding period will be 2
to 3 weeks long.
And in that duration,they try to figure out
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when the best wavesare coming through.
Nice.
Most competitive timein the most clean waves
that you willas surfing's moving into an
Olympic sport.
They're trying to standardizea lot of the contest.
So a lot of science behindgetting the right conditions.
Yeah.
Makes for a better day,for sure.
Make it more competitive,right? Yeah.
(06:33):
And even they're buildingall these wave parks around
the country are extremelywith us.
Yes. Yeah.
So I think in a matterof 10 to 20 years, it'll be
more and more commonto see these wave pools
around the country.
Mm. Texas.
Arizona.
Places you wouldn't thinksurfing exists.
They're starting to happen.
(06:55):
Yeah, that's pretty cool.
You can practice anywhereyou're at or just go
to have fun.
Yeah, it's very.
I'm ready for Hawaii.
Yeah, exactly.
Leads yourself really?
Well, I do have friendswho come out of Austin
like, Hey, I want tosurf Waikiki when I get there.
And I'm always like, Hank,just go to your local YMCA,
start doing laps.
I mean, you got to train.
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You got to get your bodyready for at least a few months
where you want to get out there,because the closest,
the closest, most popularwave breaks about 200 yards out.
Mm.
So if you can't swimto football field.
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
And that's just getting there.
Right.
Yeah.
Let's talk about the training.
Go ahead.
Yeah, I've been to thatfor beginners.
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You want to make surethat your shoulder strengths
are adequate, and also,more importantly,
as you're neck.
And Whereas, sparring.
When we paddle, you're in aslightly extended.
So scapular retractionand scapular crushing position.
Most people who start surfingwithout any training,
they'll over strain their neckand rotator cuff because
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the body positioningis so important.
And if you'renot training surfing
for at least a couple ofmonths out, getting your body
used to the repetitive motions,you're going to have a lot
of problems.
And we'll see thatpeople will hire, you know,
their surf instructorsyou can hire for the day
who will paddleyou out here, help.
You don't want to work them out.
You can pay someoneand you pay them really well.
(08:24):
You don't have to paddle at all.
All right.
Yeah. Yeah.
There's.
There's guyswho devote their job
to doing that out here.
Well, yeah, I know afew of them.
Furthermore than that,it's getting familiar
with the water, but alsobreath holds.
And it may not sound likeit's that intimidating
at first, but on your3 to 4 foot waves, you may be
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held under for several seconds.
And it's scary.
It seems like a lot longerwhen you're when that's
happening in person.
Mm hmm.
So when you fall off the board,you have to hold your breath.
Right.
And typically, when you'reat forces exerted on you
and you're fallingthrough the wave, you will not
focus on your breath, holdan air will escape.
(09:09):
So most people kind of panicwhen they first learning and
they lose their air thatthey hold. Right.
So a lot of surfers,you eventually get into big
wave training.
They'll do something calledapnea, actually.
And a lot of my buddies to surfthese 30, 40, 50 foot waves,
they don't let you go outuntil you can hold your breath
(09:30):
for about 2 minutes while doingpush ups.
So it's a very commonapnea training method.
You hold your breath, you pushups for 2 minutes and they won't
let you out if you can't do thatto stress the body.
Also, there's a very commontraining method which I
participate in with some bigwave surfers.
They call it running rocks.
Where you are.
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You just get a rockand then you run on the bottom
of the ocean.
So you go down the beach,keep going deeper and deeper
and deeper.
And again you try tojust hold it for
as long as you can imagine, this30 foot wave, it's going to
push you under.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that force of the wateris going to push you
(10:11):
down in the water.
So you got to get usedto the pressure
out your ears, too.
So it's not just musculoskeletaltraining, as one would think.
It's cardiopulmonaryand it's also deal with pressure
and your equilibrium,your middle ear.
Mm hmm.
Yeah. Those.
Those ear injuries aremore common than people
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tend to realize.
So people will get slammedon the water and have vertigo
from damaged middle ears.
So it's not uncommon for usto have a surfer out there
kind of paddling in circles.
And that's when we knowsome damage has occurred to the
stimulus system.
So, yeah, it's a very weird one,but not often talked about.
(10:53):
We always like to focus oncervical spine,
shoulder, whatever it maybe, concussions, but
the vestibular thing isoften not talked about. So
that's our system that keepsus in balance.
So there is there's more to itthan the paddling out there.
And okay, so you need to be ableto jump up on your board.
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You need to be able to balanceon your board.
Yeah, I don't even focuson that at first.
I'm like, we just got tofocus on your body's
ability to stand up and there'stons of real BS we could
laugh at like, Oh,we're receiving forgiving serum
secreting Sarah Marshall.
Uh huh.
Have you seen that one? Yeah.
It's like aura.
(11:36):
He's up there and he's like,Do, let's do less.
He's trying to stand up,but I would I think of that one
every time because people oftentry too hard.
But yeah, you got to havethe flexibility
range of motion toessentially do a burpee right
from the ground.
So that's a common methodof training that.
But yeah, jumping up,do you ever see people doing
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that on the land firstbefore they even
get into the water?
Oh sure, yeah.
You're walk by a surf schooland typically they have 5
to 10 participants at going overthe basics, the mechanics
of how to stand up and whetheryou've tried snowboarding
or skateboardingor surfing before.
There's two styles, right?
(12:21):
There's regular and goofy.
You know, regular wouldbe your left foot or
goofy is your right foot.
Now, there's speculationwhy people go this way.
Like, why wouldn't someone surffor the right foot
forward or left for work?
I'm goofy.
I can't figure out why,but I've tried to surf regular,
but my brain and my body justdoesn't happen.
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And so you'll be on the beachand I'll say, Stand up
and get into a surf position.
And whateverposition you get in,
that's where you go.
Feels natural.
Yeah, whateveris natural for you, you know?
Yeah.
Right handed.
And then that has nothingto do with it.
But I just have to put my rightfoot forward so we don't try
to chop up your rightfoot forward.
(13:05):
Personally, yeah.
I can't do more.
Feels right.
Okay.
Yeah, I can't.
Snowboarders skate or anythingthe opposite way.
It just feels so wrong.
Huh.
So we don't try to change that.
We're like, whatever.
That's what you do.
That's.
You never work.
Yeah.
With it.
Well, does it matter which waythe wave is coming from
as far as balancing better?
(13:26):
Yeah.
Great questionfor the left foot.
Yeah.
So waves can either be a leftor right break or a point break.
I'm sure everyonehas seen that movie
with Patrick Swayze and KeanuReeves might break.
That just refers to the wayit breaks over the reef.
Typically, waves come in atdifferent angles, so you can
either go left or right.
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So that's just the waythe way it pushes
you won't breakthe spoke direction.
And that's why they'reso popular, because they cater
to both regular and goofystyle surfers.
So these little variablesdon't mean much and you can surf
a normal I give you aright and just
there are differentwaves that surf,
different stances better.
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So and in my case,going left is more easy.
So my right foot forwardso I can kind of face the wave.
And that's a lot to processfor the audience, right?
But sometimes I'm picturing thatin my mind.
Yeah, Sometimes just Googlingan image of different
wave breaks is really helpful.
You're having a hard timeimagining it, but yeah,
(14:31):
just Google Point break.
Not the movie, but the image.
And that should make senseto you.
Mm hmm.
Yeah, but that actuallycomes full circle
back to how we train and helprehabilitate surfers
who get injured.
Depending on your body position,you will overuse and underused
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certain muscle.
So whatever foot is or whereyou tend to use that
glute medius moreso the hip abductor,
that will see a lotof like tendinitis and the
no sustained issues as welllow back pain.
And because you're alwaysin that one sided position,
we have to trainthe opposite side to compensate.
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So a lot of surfers,if they were doing
their whole lives, will have toturn the opposing
muscle groups offto keep symmetry balanced.
I saw one of your TikTokvideos of you balancing on it
look like a band and ing on it.
Taken a few stepsand then I'm like, Oh my gosh,
talk about balance, you know,hold my arm.
(15:38):
Yeah.
Have you never seen this before?
No, it's.
Wow.
I just, like, really?
Because everything's gotto be steady.
You got your legs, your ankles,your feet, your hips, you know,
your core, everything.
Yeah.
We call that the kinematicchain, right?
If you have a deficitin your ankle strength or
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knee strength,it's going to affect
your whole way up.
And so when there's no waves,you'll see a lot of
people out here put up thesethings called slack lights,
which is a tightrope.
Yeah, between trees.
It's about two feetoff the ground.
So when you follow, youland on the stand
relatively safe.
Relatively, yeah.
Is that what be though?
(16:22):
Is it is this like a regular.
It's like.
Yeah.
It's like now it's a toe straplike when you pull carts out
of ditches.
Oh, okay.
Like this.
I don't remember riding.
I'm curious to let you know.
Yeah. Yeah.
I like if you have a tow strapin your car to pull a car out,
(16:43):
maybe.
You know, stuff I actually haveone of those.
I'll have to set it up.
Yeah, that's what it is.
It's like a two inch wide.
There's one inch wide once.
But yeah, if you justwalk up it, it's like when
there's a little go.
And that's where your bodyhas to compensate and there's
no waves.
I mean, we can't predictMother Nature that way.
Right, I'll answer.
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But those slack lines upto essentially do balance
and stability training.
Yeah, we always like beingat the beach too.
Right.
So a how to.
Yeah. Yeah.
I'll have to taketake my toe line
out to the beach.
We're here.
The ladies are going to bestarting to train soon
because in June we have our it'scalled her turn surfing
(17:26):
surfing event.
Okay.
Personal trainerthat I know here
in the community, Heather,she Heather Tran.
She's the one who started it.
I believe last yearwas the first one.
Just all women surfers at alllevels.
Yeah.
So they're going to be startingif they haven't already started
their training.
So it'll be cool to take thatout to the beach and have them
(17:48):
practice their, their balanceand all of these.
Yeah, especially with the femalesurfer demographic.
We when we use Slack linefor training for surfing,
I always like to have themfocus on neutral, always.
So just standing on one leg,very subtle, bending the knee
and then just maintain stabilityfor 30 seconds to a minute
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and then trying to switchbetween the three.
The reason for that iswhen you're able
to stand on one leg and keepa neutral pelvis that drains
a muscle, the group medius.
So if you have weakness inthat muscle, we call it
the model walk, you'll see thestrap left and right.
They call that a BrandenburgGate pattern and why
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it's so important in thefemale population, there's a
are you familiar with you angle?
Yes. Yeah.
So wider hips women and widerthan men.
And what happens is the femurwill internally rotate more
and they callthat Jenny Belgium.
If the media is weak,it's going to create more strain
(18:52):
on the inside of the kneebecause of the wider hips.
And that's why a lot offemale surfers are more prone
to ACL and ACL.
Tear just an anatomicalvariation, but that's why
we focus on that strengthtraining for
not just surfers butbasketball players
and baseball players and allfemale sports.
Yeah, we want tostart that early to like around
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12 to 30.
We see most ACL tears around16 years old female athletes.
So it's important if you're outthere listening and you have a
young daughter, maybe you area young teenager.
It's important to trainthose muscles to help reduce the
risk of injury.
Some Yeah, but Slack runs.
Good way to do it.
Ah yeah. Lo fi.
(19:36):
Add up to a couple of palm treeson the beach and have some fun
with your friends, right? Yeah.
It's cheapest form ofentertainment you'll ever find.
It's like 40 bucks.
And every time I put it up,I might do it today if not too
many waves.
Once the kids come by and,you know, I would just tell
the parents might just holdtheir hands.
It's.
It's on you.
I don't want to be responsibleabout.
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Yeah, I gotcha.
Athletes have fun.
It's a it's a very, very cheapway of entertaining
everyone for hours.
Yeah.
So you have a lot of peoplethat come to you
with shoulder damagefrom surfing.
Yeah.
It's not injuries.
Yeah, it's mostly overuseinjuries.
So tendinitis and theassists bursitis like chronic
(20:20):
degenerative conditions.
But every now and againwe'll see like impact
from falls or acute injurieslike liberal tears
where the arm willhyper are extended to an
abnormal position.
That happened to me.
I wiped out and Iput my arm forward
to stop myself.
But the board caught my armand yanked it back over my head
(20:43):
and I wound up with somethingcalled a slap here and that
needed surgery down.
Have you heard of the label?
Tears in the shoulder?
No, no.
The labrum is kind of likea clump that holds.
Ah, she were all had in place.
It's a stabilizing factor.
We have one in the hip as well.
But if there's trauma to theshe risks, it goes into an
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abnormal position like whetheryou've fallen
an outstretched arm or you thinkyour arm back
over head too fast,the bone itself will dig
into the cartilage, the laborand tear it.
And so that unfortunatelydoes not repair on its arm.
You need surgery to helprepair labor.
And yeah, otherwiseit'll just like click and snap
and pop all the time.
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And so they had to go on thereand essentially just suture
it back together.
And so it wasn't too bad.
But recovery six months now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I couldn't work out or surfor anything or,
you know, just domy little weights and stretches.
But you know, the suturesessentially heal.
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So at it takes time.
Yeah.
So you had to restrain yourselfand not go do what
you love to do every day.
No, thank you,artist part, right?
Oh, my God.
Yeah, I know.
I was just hiking and doingcardio by me, and that's just
how it goes with life.
You know, I always tell people,don't focus on
(22:11):
what you can't do.
Focus on what you can do.
So whether you enjoyyour shoulder,
you're still capable of walking,you're still capable of
going outside now.
And that's no differentthan, um, you know,
I think it's a good metaphorfor life, not just physical
well-being.
Mm.
Yeah, but we oftenget too caught up
(22:34):
in our own pastlife mistakes, rate
ups that you're, you're not.
And try not to be a psychologistthere. Right.
But hey, blood's over.
Yeah, it definitely does.
Yeah.
Don't focus on your pastfailures.
Focus on your future success.
And right there you go.
Learn from your past failuresand move on.
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Yeah, yeah, that's a podcast.
I was listening to you recentlyfocusing on your losses in life.
Turn those L's into lessonsand fell off them and fail
a lot to learn more.
That was the plot.
The beautifulthing about surfing is no matter
who you are, if you'reKelly Slater or if you're just
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starting off,you're going to fall
everyone involved.
So there's there's yeah,it's a fun sport because
everyone falls at themno matter who you are.
And so that's half the fun.
Like, yeah, enjoying the ride,Just that little wave.
Having a good time.
Absolutely.
(23:36):
Yeah.
So do do you see a lotof injuries out there or
not really.
I mean, I of courseit happens, but like on a basis,
is there a lot of stuffgoing wrong?
Yeah, it's relativelysafe sport.
Meaning you just know howto fall right?
Man in the water,protect yourself.
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Most injuries come fromother boards.
Maybe a novice surferwho doesn't have control
of their body.
Then they let it goand that ball will be kind of
pushing forward by the lakeor the water will and it'll
hit someone in the hand or the.
Yeah, the female slice someone.
So we'll see a lot of thelacerations as
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well or more than I or justinjury from the reef.
You get pushed into the reef too much
and volcanic rock is not soft,it will cut you.
And that's almost everyone'sfirst experience of Hawaii.
Is that rock sharp?
Yeah.
You walk on barefoot,you're going to have cuts on
(24:38):
your feet, has no differentin the water.
So when you get crushed into it,you can stay a little.
Is it any worse than coral?
Like the coral reefs,The volcanic rock?
Yeah, it's just about the same.
I mean, I would say it's worsejust because of the lava rock.
Yeah, the way it breaksdown, it's a little sharper.
(24:58):
But there are coralreefs out here too.
But not as much.
Yeah, not.
But they'll drop.
But the lava rocks areeverywhere.
Yeah, Yeah.
And that's what createsthe surf, Right.
And so the break the,the lava rock, different depth.
When the wave goes over it,it creates that way.
So wherever you seewaves out here, there's a
(25:19):
volcanic rock underneath itor a reef.
So. Mm.
Just kind of like be careful,don't go over there a little
too shallow.
And that's why it helpsto have someone
take you out, knows where to go,what to avoid.
Yeah, but yeah, there'sMarine life out here too.
So jellyfish, all thatcan bother you year round.
(25:40):
Yeah. Yeah.
There's different seasonslike Portuguese matter,
the the ones that suck the most.
Have you heard of those?
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
I jumped into one once.
Lovely.
I, I like electric too.
The bolts on my armfor about a week.
Oh it's for that long.
Wow. Yeah.
It'll, it'll wrap around you andI'll have these pretty red lines
(26:03):
that will stay onyou for a good four
or five days.
A tattoo you don't want.
Yeah, Yeah, exactly.
You know.
Yeah.
I see them on faces and backsand it's just like I'll read.
It's not the worst,but it's not funny either.
Yeah, yeah.
But we do see, we do seea lot of acute injuries as
(26:24):
well out here, but mostly it'sthe lifeguards, not so much
the surfers themselves.
Now, I mean, think about it.
You're in Florida and you get alot of snowbirds
out there, right?
So New Jersey, New York, right.
All East Coast,not only snowbirds,
(26:44):
but all kinds of touristsand visitors.
Yeah, around the world.
Yeah.
Two zero global.
So they go out to Daytonaor wherever they're in Orlando
and they want to gosee the ocean.
Maybe the waves are big one dayand they don't swim.
Mm.
It happens allthe time out here.
Well somethingcalled shore breaks.
(27:04):
So where are the wavesbig enough where it breaks
on the shoreline.
People either the attractive,they want to go check it out.
It's visually stunning.
And the problem is peopledon't realize how
powerful they are,but mostly people kind of
playing in the shore breakand then a big wave
will pitch up.
And then I'll justyou know, I mean, there's a
(27:25):
beach out here called Sadie's.
They call itBreakneck, Breakneck
Beach, about twoor three ambulances
a day out there.
Wow. Yeah.
It's like keep those guysbusy, huh?
Yeah, but, I mean, you getyou get thrown into the sand
really hard by a heavy away.
And if your neck lands wrongor your shoulder and strong, it
breaks bones. And not onlythat, but you're
(27:48):
getting dragged outinto the water.
Yeah.
If you don't know how to swimor you're panicking, a lot of
the lifeguards will go out thereand try to save you.
But I mean, I like thisstory a lot, but, you know,
you got a £300 guyfrom Wisconsin who does
a lot of swam and now he hasa hard shoulder and he's getting
yanked down to the oceanpanicking.
(28:09):
You got a £150 lifeguardtrying to save him.
And unfortunately, the lifeguardusually doesn't win
in that situation.
He didn't add up with thebicep tendon
strain or something, you know.
So, yeah, they're puttingtheir bodies
the life on the linejust to help you out.
And I'm so gratefulthey're there because
they saved me.
Mm.
(28:29):
Yeah.
Okay.
When you, when you hurtyour shoulder.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
So that's.
Yeah, exactly right.
Uh, that when I got hurt,the board got broken in half to
the big way.
Not only do I have one arm,but no board to hold on to.
And I was like, Oh,yeah, and oh, crap moment.
(28:54):
But they're new to survivalreally fast and I treading
water on the hard shoulder andthank God they saw me out there
and I'm on a jetski andthey're like this
My buddy is like,You're going to hang out
for a little while longer.
You want some help?
I'm like, Oh, just,you know, treading water on it.
You just joking with him.
But he's the kid.
(29:14):
I like my shoulderspretty bad now.
Yeah.
Good guy. Good guy.
Yeah. Yeah.
He actually got hurtnot too long after that.
On the jetski itself.
He took a big wave and broke hisfemur just from the impact
of the wave.
He didn't fall offthe jetski, but just going over
(29:35):
a big wave, it landedand the impact alone
just broke his leg,which is the hardest
bone to break.
But let me just give you an ideaof the force
of the big waves up.
Oh, the power of the ocean.
You don't fool aroundwith Mother Nature out there.
You know he wins every time.
Yeah, Yeah.
(29:56):
Whether you're free diving,scuba diving, spearfishing
is big in Florida, right?
Or surfing.
You just got to be careful.
Know your limitationsand trial and error.
That's the best way.
I mean, be safe.
I don't knowif you've heard this
saying before, but whenin doubt, don't go out.
Makes sense.
Yeah. Yeah.
(30:16):
So we try to convey thatto everyone to like,
hey, my shoulder hurts a lot.
Like go up if you'requestioning it,
go, go out there.
Yeah.
You need the strengthof the body to to be able
to perform at your optimum best.
Yeah.
I hope that answersyour questions about
different types of injuriesout here, but
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mostly it's sprains and strainsand stuff you see in
typical sports arenas inany capacity.
But the uniqueness that everyonewants to know about is the
shark attacks, right?
That's the extra one variablethat these people
out of the water, right?
Yeah.
So but it happens more tothose who fear the ocean
(31:01):
won't even go, you know,to the beach or go swimming
because the sharks out there.
Sure.
But and you know,they're out there.
But the majority of the time,you know, they don't
want to eat people.
Right now, we're noton the menu.
I'm a scuba instructor.
And every time I come acrossa shark, what we teach people is
go vertical, not horizontal.
(31:23):
Mm hmm.
And they're so old, They're.
They're dinosaurs.
Right?
So if you're horizontalswimming, whether you're
fluid, Right?
So if you base them and govertical, they're like,
we don't know what you are.
They'll swim away.
All Oh, bother.
But it's hardto stand your ground
when you have that right.
Your lizard brain kicking andfear right, a top one.
(31:45):
Now you have hugesharks out there
along the coast.
Oh, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's.
Yeah.
It's unfortunate to say,but just an attack.
Yeah, but it's the other daylike it's obvious off there.
They're fine.
They a board was bitten buttiger sharks are big on our.
(32:05):
I'll show you a photo.
I took my this was anhowever which is
our own North Shore.
I know your viewers can't see itright now, but
I sent this one toNational Geographic.
Mm.
Because this is the biggest onethat I've seen a lot.
You can see that.
Okay.
How many feet do you thinkthat is?
(32:27):
They sound pretty bigbecause there's a diver
right next to it,and it's like a reef
size of the diver.
Yeah, he's about six feet.
And that shark is about 17feet. Yes.
Yeah.
No, I think.
Yeah, it's a pregnant femalesince she's about 16, 17 feet.
I mean it's biggerand some boats are.
(32:48):
Yeah.
But I saw, I saw theshark in the water and my
is like in a photoI'm like I think I'm saying
by the ladder.
Okay, but some people don'thave that fear in them.
And I do like, you know,I was afraid to go in the pool
after watching Jaws, right?
Oh, you know, that moviejust ruined it
for so many people.
(33:10):
And yeah, Shark Weekcomes out on TV during diving
season.
You know, I'm on shark Week.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And you're on it.
I watched you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I had to pull a guy in afterhe got his legs
beat up out here.
I know.
Not a fan story.
Oh, wow.
Where he was just swimmingin the water.
(33:31):
And typically snorkelersand swimmers will get attacked
way more because they'resplashing right like that
distressed animal.
And we were kayaking this dayand a man had gotten attacked
from behind by a tiger shark.
And it took one of his legsand the other one was kind
of hanging out.
But we pulled them intothe shore and did CPR.
(33:52):
And he survived.
We're friends to this day,but as 12 to 15 already
a year, they're eight years ago.
But yeah, that was my one momenton the National GEO GEO Channel.
So where we are you know it'sa cool though is after
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he got healed up I got to dopeachy with him.
So I got to help him out throughhis recovery and
I gained trainingwith his prosthetic
wound, healing and all that.
So physical therapists to oureveryone thinks just
exercise, right?
But it's a little bitmore involved.
So we do a neurological rehab,we can do amputations.
(34:33):
We deal with wound care and howthose injuries
need to be improvedwhile we're healing.
So when I work with likemy veterans who have
amputations, you know,you have to talk about,
oh, contractures modificationof the prosthetics.
It's involved.
So it's a lot to think about,just trying to get people
to start living a ordinary lifeas ordinary as it can be
(34:57):
once again.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You and I were brieflytalking the other day about
one of your clientswho's dealing with soap issues.
Right.
And that the underlying factor,if you don't mind me
saying, was no, you got to askwhen you have
multiple sclerosis.
Uh huh.
And for those unfamiliarwith that, that's a systemic
(35:18):
neurological, degenerativecondition and unfortunately
no cure.
So in addition to all theselike orthopedic
problems they have,they also have a hard time
controlling their musclesas well because
of their damaged, for lack forkeep it to keep it simple.
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
There's never just one problemwith people where
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we're very complex,and that's why
every case is just a littlebit different.
I hope that makes senseto your listeners.
Yeah, I think it willmake sense to them.
Okay. Yeah.
Yeah.
It's never justone thing in life.
You're lucky if it's justone thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've never seen it.
That's why is my nigger.
(36:01):
Well, it's because this, thisand that.
It's never, you know,sometimes you
get, like, you know,just the stranger sprain.
There's also a variable behindthat here.
Mm.
Yourself Ask why did thisinjury happen.
And maybe it's from sportsor trauma, but sometimes
just to this being off balanceor asymmetry or something
(36:21):
like that and being offbalance and not even
realizing it during andyeah, I mean there's so many
people out there who,you know, I'm sure you know,
with exercise and training,they need it.
Absolutely.
And just like me, I'm sureyou exercise every day.
Right.
Try to.
(36:42):
Yeah.
I mean, it's like in my DNA.
I can't.
I got to do something I like,even if it's just walking along
my body.
Yeah.
And I had a bad day this week.
Rehab, Right?
And I was I found myselfat the gym just like
on an elliptical.
Like, I can't wait to getout of here. Right.
Just why am I here?
This sucks.
(37:03):
Well, I did my hour,and I'm, like, going home
and I'm watchingNetflix, whatever.
But you just get it done.
You kind of.
You had it.
You made your bed that morning.
I did.
Yeah, I know.
That morning you went to the gymand you didn't feel over
being there every day.
So there are a lot.
(37:23):
Last podcast for those of youwho didn't hear it
with Brian, he said,We got to start our day
by making our bed.
Right, Brian Make your bed.
It's the set up for successfor the day.
Well, I mean, if you can'thandle it, that's like
making your bed.
You're going to have a hard timegetting through your day, right?
Word to ask, phonecalls, emails, friends,
(37:44):
lovers, families, whateverit may be at.
You know, and I justI think that if you get your
bed in order, literally, or youget out of your house, it's
and then you come onit's were made.
But I like I know it'ssimple mix it up again right.
Yeah but there's nothing betterthan like crawling into a nice
(38:07):
clean bed when you're tired.
Yeah, but yeah, it'sthe small things
in life that matter.
And creating habits,weight loss, working under
cardiovascular health.
I think in our societywe get off to weighing down
on weight loss, tryingto look like a darker body.
(38:29):
But what you need to focus onis just general well-being.
Worry about.
Yeah, you're feeling good,feeling good inside and out
about yourself.
Yeah.
And I mean, there'sso many neurologists
and podcasts out there todayabout how the benefits
of walking around the blockin for depression, anxiety
(38:52):
out on cognitive functioning,all these variables that I,
I don't want to touch butso much research just read
Yeah and swimming so that's whyI believe surfing's so good.
There's a lot of booksaround that the science
behind surfingand how it changes our mindset
and beliefs.
(39:12):
Our outlook on life changes andconnecting with nature,
and whether if youdon't have access to the water,
you know, connecting with naturecould look like a park.
A lake could be walkingin a forest, something may.
But I, I truly believe it'smore important than anything.
(39:34):
And fortunately I livepretty close to the beach,
and at the very least,I'll do a bike ride
around the park everyday, justjust to kind of let go
of whatever the day'sproblems were.
Know, I can onlyspeak for myself, but I think if
a lot more people did that,a lot less stress, yeah,
(39:55):
the world would be abetter place.
I hope so.
Yeah. Yeah.
Nice to drink.
And, you know, and there's justsomething about the water.
Even if you're not in it,you know, seeing it,
like you said, walking or bikeriding near it.
The sound of the ocean.
Yeah.
I brought my hammock upon Sundays and just read,
(40:17):
you know, like my.
That's my Sunday hobby.
Just hammock reading,listen to the ocean
and a palm tree andI think that's why I'm still
here in Hawaii, becauseyou can do that and it just
finding your own little whatevermakes you happy my friend
You read that too?
Just sitting by the water,just doing nothing and that.
(40:39):
Yeah, but I still tryto exercise those days still.
Right?
So yeah.
So bike ride to the beachFluently.
Why not?
If you live that closeespecially.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you're pretty closeto your right.
I am 1015 minutes to park.
Yeah. Yeah.
Accessible.
So are you.
You're from Florida, right?
(41:00):
No.
Born on Long Island, New York.
Oh, okay.
But my family movedto South Florida when I was
14 years old.
Okay, So I feel like I'ma Floridian.
I've been here for so long.
Yeah, Yeah.
The rest of my familyhas moved away, but me and my
kids are still here in Florida.
(41:20):
Yeah.
Yeah, I.
Well, I was fortunateenough to call Florida home
for a little while.
That was my first,you know, connection
with the beach right.
And having.
Yeah, just South Florida,just being able to go out there
any day.
Well, on the weekends, but stilljust having the ability
(41:41):
to change my viewon a lot of things.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Fortunate.
I think we're fortunate, right?
Absolutely.
Yeah.
I've always been nearthe ocean, though.
Even being raisedon Long Island, where, you know,
the ocean was all around us,you know, it's
a little island off the sideof the state up there
in New York.
(42:01):
And we went to the beachall summer long.
Of course, wintertime.
It was just way too cold.
Water was freezing.
And even in the summer,I can remember the temperature
of the water being colder upnorth than it is here.
Oh, yeah, the Atlantic.
Yeah, my fun.
I've been diving out therein the Atlantic
and it's it's called the Hole.
(42:22):
Yeah, but something about theculture too.
The fishermen, the the thethe activities.
Just the seagulls and the beach.
Huh, Girls?
Right.
To me, anyway,I know not everyone.
Everyone's a beach lover.
Some people hate the beach.
I know.
I know so many people that livearound here that don't even go.
It's like I even live hereand understand it.
(42:45):
It's definitely not the Well,Florida's nice,
but the weather canbe pretty brutal.
It can be, yeah.
So it doesn't get that hot therein Hawaii.
Know for very fortunateI was trade winds so the winds
come across the the islandfrom the windward
to the leeward side.
Now in the winterthere's more breeze so there's
(43:09):
always some kind of airflowwhereas in Florida
I mean there's dayslike in Miami where
there's no fire.
It's just humid still.
And that's why I thinkit doesn't feel
that hot out here, just alwayswent down.
We're very fortunate. It'sgeographically it's
a weird place to be.
The middle of the Pacific, likeone of the most isolated
(43:33):
places on earth.
But it used to freak me outwhen I first moved out here.
I like we're pretty far out.
I live in a way outon an island here.
I mean, there'd be like, Well,what if something
bad happens, right?
And well, and this isbeen used to it.
That's when you learnhow to be a pilot
so you can have a little planeto get out of there.
(43:56):
But I've accepted my fate.
I'm like, Well, if this is whereI am, that well, that's
not a bad place.
Yeah, there you go.
I know I've got to gosome time, right?
It's not so bad going as a as aas a Hawaiian native.
Look, I.
Yeah, I had my first earthquakeabout two weeks ago here, so.
Yeah, Yeah.
At I mean, they happen a lotbecause there's a big island
(44:16):
where there's constant lava flowall the time.
So seismic activity, but abig earthquake happened
two weeks ago and my bedwas shaking for like 20 seconds.
And I looked outsidelike there's construction
in my buildingbecause I've never realized
that was an earthquakefor my house, because the
idiot shaking this walland I, I was eight.
(44:37):
I went back down to do my workand my buddy called me
and he's like, difficultearthquake.
Oh, it didn't even hit me.
Like, that's howambiguous I was.
I never know what was happeningthen.
Yeah, of the.
Yeah.
Little, little thingsabout island living even after
ten years.
That's first time out here.
Yeah, well, thank goodness.
(44:58):
Just the one and not so big,right?
So really.
Yeah. So.
Okay.
And so I know I saidwe were going to be
talking about surfing,but let's talk a little bit more
about the diving out therein Hawaii.
You're a certified instructor.
Yeah, right.
Haddie Yeah, My trainingwas mostly in Florida, Mexico
and Indonesia, and, yeah,I wanted to learn more as
(45:21):
we go longer.
And the marine life out hereis what attracts
most scuba divers.
So We do have manta rays,varieties of sharks,
humpback whales.
And although you're not supposedto go after the whales,
they're out here.
So it's pretty amazing.
We get a chance to die withthe sound alone.
(45:41):
It's it's like, I don't know,Universe, Soul connection
not to get toit'd be Debbie and.
Yeah, but it just I don't know.
You're just connectingwith these animals that are
larger than life.
Yeah.
They look at youor you look at them
and we're we're each mammals, sothere's something
(46:02):
magic about it.
Spiritual armor.
Yeah.
We've had some right whales hereoff of Flagler Beach.
They come all the way downthis way, usually start
coming down in January,February, and then start
heading back late, you know,a few months later.
But yeah, what a sight.
What a sight you haveyou ever been in the water
(46:25):
with any?
No.
When I saw one for thefirst time with a baby, I.
Oh, my gosh.
That's what I wanted to do.
I just wanted to hike up in thewater and swim to it.
It's.
It's a weird feeling.
I've I have been guiltyof diving off a boat and just
swimming out to them.
Yeah.
You're not supposed to do thathere in Hawaii.
I'm not supposed todo it here either.
(46:46):
You're supposed toleave him alone.
So you're in the Philippinesand Thailand.
It's a little different.
They're like, Yeah, have funat the back.
So like with whale sharksand all that, you
get so mild to them and they're,you know, as long as you're
not harassing them,it's a little it's
generally okay.
Yeah, I've been on boatswhere I see a whale shark
(47:06):
and I'm like headfirst up again.
She they're just, I don't know,they're just so cool.
I find it absolutelyfascinating.
So as a dive instructor, do youteach groups of divers or do you
individuals?
How do you do? Yeah.
So right now I'm not doingfor work.
It just volunteerthrough the VA.
(47:27):
Oh, the building and stuff.
Yeah. Yeah.
So I'm adaptive scuba.
So people who may be paraplegicor have trauma from war,
maybe it's an amputation ormaybe it's brain injuries,
traumatic braininjuries or whatever it may be.
We'll be there to guide thembecause they need help to,
(47:48):
you know.
Oh, I didn't mention thiswith you, too, but there's an
organization I volunteerfor out here called Access
Search, where we get physically,mentally disabled
kids out the wateron surfboards.
So, yeah, it could be anythingfrom congenital deformities
or just, ah, cognitiveabnormalities, spinal bifida,
cerebral palsy.
(48:08):
And they're they'rewheelchair bound.
And you get them in the waterfor the first time.
It's just magic.
I don't know.
Something about the wateroverwhelming with emotions.
And I want to, like,cry, talking about, oh, my God,
those kids, like,they they spend their whole
lives just in a wheelchairand you get them in
the water for the first time.
It's like magic.
It's so sorry.
(48:30):
That's a drop off now.
That's great.
Yeah.
Scuba diving is the same.
You're.
You're weightless.
You are just re most people areso afraid of it.
But once you get in thereand you realize you're
totally safe, it's you're flyingthrough all the different
environment.
You're out of this world.
Like, literally, we don't belongthere.
(48:51):
And it's sad becauseit's like, once
you get comfortable,it's like walking
through the forest.
Yeah.
And there's no noise.
You just.
It's quiet.
Peace.
You get time to think and you'rejust staring at this coral
and marine life and it's justit's like a walk in the woods.
But spring bliss,the nice thing, a lot of
(49:12):
beautiful places to go scubadiving there.
Hawaii is unique because it'smostly volcanic, right?
So there's not a lotof coral reefs.
And that's why peoplemostly travel to our Philippines
or Indonesia, Australia forfor the Great Barrier Reef
or I've been to Belize andyeah, Mexico for these things.
(49:35):
But yeah, Hawaii it's, it's,it's volcanic so it's not
very beautiful on the bottombut the marine life attracts is
appealing.
So dolphins.
Yeah the variety oftropical fish that we'll
see out here have yourfavorite spots to go to.
Yeah.
So it's called shark's Cove.
(49:56):
That's on the northshore of Oahu.
And you can onlygo in the summertime
because the winter season wavesare way too big, just not safe.
And there's all theselittle lava tubes and columns
that you could swim through.
And so you'll be divingand you just get to swim
through these like, oh,5 to 6 foot wide lava tubes.
(50:18):
And there's all sorts of eelsand lobsters, octopus
and all kinds of cool thingsto check out.
And you're just exploring.
It's a cool.
Yeah, it's likethe coolest thing that yeah,
I fell in love with itwhen I started in Miami.
Gosh, there was alreadylike 16 years ago.
I've been doing itnow 16 years diving.
(50:40):
So yeah, it's taken me aroundthe world.
So I can only speakabout my passions, but I
encourage everyone to findsomething out there like that,
whether it's hiking, biking orwhatever, something that
can take you around the planet.
That's smart.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's my excuse.
Anyway, I'm going to.
(51:02):
Sounds like a good excuse to me.
Go for it. Right.
I got to go to Mexico.
I I'm going to go scubadiving in this remote areas
which are like ground watercaves.
They're awesome.
But yeah, I justreally want to go to Mexico now.
Follow my friends.
There's tattoo style.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
(51:22):
Okay.
Well, all right.
So is there anything elsethat you would like to add
to our information here for ourlisteners as far as surfing
or diving goes, they're notspecific, but in generalities,
surfing can be one of the mostliberating things you can do.
For me, it changed my life.
I never thought I'd be out herein Iraq in the middle
of the ocean surfing, but hereI am.
(51:43):
You know, So if youhave any fears or questions
or concerns, I mean,you can reach out
to me directly.
But it's all about just beingcomfortable to grow in life.
And the surfing is definitelyone of those things
that will makeyou uncomfortable.
And people always thinkyou have to be young.
Now, I'm not sure at all.
I mean, there's people out herewho are starting in
(52:05):
their 60, right?
So they see it all the time.
People come out hereand their one dream in life
has been the surf.
Waikiki.
Well, because I was reallytrying to remember, Oh, yeah,
we go now Google does.
That is the movie.
Oh, man, I got I got to lookyou got to like.
(52:27):
But anyway, these these movies,they grew up watching
and they want to come out here.
It's a lifelong dream, so it'snever too late to start
something new.
That's my only advicefor you out there is that
if you have somethingthey want to do, you know,
today's the day.
I'll wait it out thereand do that because we
don't know what it's goingto bring us.
Really enjoy your life,you know, try your best week.
(52:51):
Well, you and I were talkingabout diseases,
you know, sometimeslife loss plans.
Well, yeah, they get disruptedby injury or neurological
conditions or, you know, I don'twant to say the
big C word, but it happensright now.
Yeah.
So I try to be healthyand realize that health is the
(53:12):
greatest while.
Right.
So I try to remind myselfof that every day like you
and go to the beach, you can goto the gym.
There are some people out thereexcuse me, there are some people
out there who don't getthat opportunity.
They get the wish to doa push up or a bench press tour
and you're looking at itlike work.
It's like nowyou get to do this.
This is your privilege.
(53:33):
You should be grateful.
Yeah.
So I hope there'sa consciousness collective shift
in America now because thebenefits of exercising
far outweigh a sedentarylifestyle.
So and I'm sure you've seenthis trend in recent years
too, on just lack of activity,all the factors that come along
(53:57):
with being unhealthy.
Uh huh, yeah.
Laziness.
Get off the couch.
Not good.
Yeah.
I mean, there'sso many variables to consider
and everyone wantsto talk about diet, nutrition
and vitamins and supplements.
But the other day about movinga little bit more, so finding
whatever it is makes you happy.
(54:19):
And yeah, maybe it's a walkaround the park with your dog.
That's why, you know,I think animals
are so important to everyone.
Just getting us up and moving.
Yeah, they like to do.
They like to the animals, right?
They.
They like their walks.
I know.
Mine does.
You have dogs?
I have a Dalmatiansitting beside me.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
(54:39):
I saw him walking around.
I know it's not my girl,you know, It's a jogger
walking around.
Yeah.
I mean, domination.
And in terms of exercise,they do a lot of energy,
especially the first five yearsof their life.
They're still on a puppy stage.
She hit six years old andfinally decided to slow
down a little bit.
(55:00):
But she still likes herwalks, you know?
Yeah, we are constantly roomiesfor five years, right?
Uh huh, Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, boy.
Yeah.
Well, what's your dog's name?
Many, many.
Aly. Aly.
Okay, there is some talkingabout you tail's wagging.
Yeah, the.
(55:21):
I was tellingmy business partner, I, uh.
One day I'll geta dog here again.
So it's just nice.
I had one for a while.
He passed, but it was, you know,I had him at my clinic
and he's a therapy dog, sohe just wag it down.
Say hello to everyone at once.
We just let him goaround on the beach.
I mean, that wasthat was a happy.
Yeah.
(55:42):
He lived the probably thebest life I think any
dog could have, you know.
Yeah.
Come in and work withyou every day and getting
to the beach and evenwhen I went back to work
you just stay out thereand everyone knew him.
So it was justlike uses like this local dog
that got the hang outwith surfers all day
and people's feet come back tothe clinic when he was tired
(56:06):
or wanted water.
All right.
Yeah, true, true.
Hawaii dog Manu.
Yeah, but yeah, Mondo meansbird out here, so I'll use free
bird for sure.
Yeah, it was great for that,you know, And there was
only in like the tourist areasdo they have restrictions
(56:27):
on like leashes and all that.
But typically everywhere elseyou can just let your animals
go free.
Really?
Yeah.
So just Waikiki and.
Yeah, Honolulu.
Waikiki. They have.
You have to dog on a leashmakes outsiders.
Some dogs are nice,some aren't so nice.
That's true.
Yeah.
The responsibilityof the owner, right?
I mean.
Yeah, especially with all thetourism.
(56:49):
You just want less stress.
But for the most part,any other island that you go
to, you'll just see dogsout there on the beach
playing Frisbee, having fun.
So.
And their element,I don't know how
it is in Florida,I can't recall.
But I think they have strictlaws, right?
Oh, yeah.
Most of Florida.
Yeah.
You have to haveyour dog on a leash or they have
(57:09):
to be trained very well.
Right.
And even as far as taking themon the beach, there is
restrictions of whereyou can take them.
I mean here it's a little bitbetter than down south.
Down south was onlya small portion of the beach,
only certain times of the day.
And here we can be eitherten blocks north or south
(57:31):
from our pier.
And you can walk your dogson the beach,
play with your dogson the beach.
But they they ask for youto have a leash on the dog.
Yeah.
Makes it a little easierto play, but.
Yeah, yeah, but if I know you,you've trained your dog well,
and she's a good girl.
(57:51):
Yeah. Yeah.
All right, Brian, this is great.
Thanks for coming on again.
And.
And talking with me and givingyour insight to everybody.
Yeah, we're my localsurfers are going to find
some interestin our topic today.
Yeah.
If you have anyspecific questions related to
pathologies or injuries,I didn't want to go too specific
(58:13):
because, you know, there's allsorts of ankle need pull it
back shoulder likepeople got hurt weird ways.
And if your listenershave any questions about that,
you can always reach out to medirectly.
I questions about, well, whatwe typically do or maybe even
how to tape up an injury.
There's a lot of resourceavailable online to reference.
(58:34):
So yeah, yeah, pleasefree to reach out.
Yeah.
And believe me,everybody, Brian, we'll
get back to you.
He really cared about people.
He's a great Yeah I thinkI think I mentioned this
last time on your podcast.
There's this book I readcalled Ikigai.
Yeah.
As in Japan and it's by purposeand for whatever reason, people
(58:54):
call me all the timefor injuries.
And usually I havepretty good advice.
Yeah, pretty good.
Yeah.
And most people lessand they get better.
So I'm happy to share aboutwith the human body.
It's complex.
So your best that isto get in front
of your physician or physicaltherapist locally so they can
actually take a lookat what makes great advice.
(59:16):
Yes.
All right.
Thank you, Brian.
A pleasure to be here.
Thanks for inviting me again.
Hope you have a great tournamentcoming up and everyone
has a fun time.
That's all we can hope for.
Absolutely.
Aloha.
This is Angela Graysonfrom The Loving Life
Fitness Podcast.
(59:38):
To help others in their fitnessjourney.
It’s all possible.
It’s time to wake up.
Here we go.
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