December 12, 2023 • 26 mins
What is a dirty word? It's often one that people find repulsive and can't stand the thought of someone saying out loud. Vulgar, dirty words are offensive and worth avoiding at all costs. Yet, there are other dirty words that aren't considered profane and at the same time lack vulgarity. Shocking words that still make almost anyone cringe when they hear them.
Your relationship with your spouse needs one very important dirty word, quite possibly the dirtiest of all words in marriage. It's a word that most find repulsive, but if applied to a husband and wife relationship, it will immediately begin to bring relief to almost all conflict. It will lessen disappointment and can bring a ton of peace and harmony back to any marriage. Not bad for a dirty word, right?
Join hosts Travis and Dawn Rosinger for Part 1 of this two-part series focusing on a word most marriages lack and every marriage needs in large quantities. If you listen and open your heart to the truth they share in this episode, it's likely there will begin to be significant changes in your marriage and in your future. This is an episode just might shock you but one that is guaranteed to change your marriage if you let it!
Travis and Dawn Rosinger are the Loving The Fight Marriage Podcast Hosts and Authors of the books, Verbalosity - 7 Steps to a Verbally Generous and More Fulfilling Marriage and their newest book, Gripping - What Matters Most | A Life and Relationships That Hold on to You
For more information about Travis and Dawn Rosinger go to Loving The Fight
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Dawn Rosinger (00:12):
Well, hello, we are kicking off our day thinking
about how we can challenge andencourage you and us in our
marriages.
With that, we want to welcomeyou to the Love in the Fight
Marriage Podcast.
My name is Dawn and I'm sittinghere with my husband and my
co-host on our day off, Travis.
Travis Rosinger (00:27):
Yeah, it's our day off.
We're sleeping in today, butreally enjoying just some margin
just to be able to hang out andrelax.
But we get to hang out with youguys as well and we are hoping
that you and your lives and youas individuals are getting some
margin.
Dawn Rosinger (00:45):
It's funny when we say that we sleep in, that
just means we don't set ouralarm.
We're still kind of morning,early risers, and so we get up,
but we just don't have to setour alarm before bed and,
honestly, last night we wereprobably up till about midnight,
which is a little bit laterthan normal, but it's so fun to
have a day off.
Well, since we were with youlast, there's something really
cool that happened in our life.
(01:06):
We just got to meet officiallygrandbaby number five.
Peter David came into thisworld about a week ago and we
got to go down to Ames and meethim officially.
He came out great, seven poundsstrong, but a few hours later
his lungs kind of he was havinga struggle breathing and so they
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put him on an antibiotic casepneumonia and gave him some
oxygen.
But officially yesterday theygot out of the hospital.
They're home as a family offive and it's great.
We love being grandparents andhave baby number five, grandbaby
number five.
They're all three years andunder.
It's incredible season of ourlife.
Travis Rosinger (01:45):
It really is, and he's strong and healthy and
he was at home and his brotherswere kind of bouncing around him
and everybody was just hangingout.
It was so fun to be able tohold their grandson and just
love on him.
But man, is he doing a well andwe're so grateful to have him
in our family.
Dawn Rosinger (02:03):
I know you guys, we talk about our family a lot.
We just love being parents,love being grandparents, love
relationships, but, man, one ofour main values that we have in
life beyond Jesus, is justreally being relationally
connected to our kids and ourgrandkids.
Well, so we have this highlightof our week, but then there was
something that happened thatwas out of the ordinary for me
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this last week, and it was thisI got a letter in the mail about
a month ago and I was summonsto jury duty.
And this was my second timeofficially being summons, the
first time we actually weremoving out of the county.
So then, you know, it wasn'trelevant at that point it
couldn't serve.
But this last week I had to goin, so we had a grandbaby, we
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were down in Ames and then Icall in and, sure enough, I had
to show up for jury duty.
And it was kind of bummertiming in the sense of I had
something that I was lookingforward to.
We have our big staff Christmasparty with all the staff like
400 people at our church, and itwas going to.
You know, we were going to gettogether and have this Christmas
party during the day, during awork day, and sure enough, I had
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to report for jury duty.
Travis Rosinger (03:06):
Yeah, you got totally bumped out of that
really fun opportunity.
Oh, I was so sad.
What a bummer you got the shaft.
I'm so sorry.
Dawn Rosinger (03:16):
I was totally trying to have a great attitude.
You could tell I was bummed.
My eyes, you know, I couldn'treally focus very much.
My eyes were filled with tearswhen I got called in and you
looked at me and you said, hey,you never know, don, you know
you could possibly be meetingyour new best friend at jury
duty.
And in that moment I wasn'tsuper appreciative of that
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comment because I was kind ofpouting and having a pity party.
But then the next morning I wokeup and I thought, you know, I
was praying and reading my Bibleand there's a reason for
everything, right.
I'm not sure why the timing isright now, I'm not sure why I
have to miss our all staffChristmas party, but I'm just
trusting God.
And I don't know exactly thereason yet why I was called in.
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I was there for two days.
They drilled me, went throughall the questions and then at
the end I didn't end up gettingpicked, anyways.
People were laughing at me.
They're like well, who pickspastors?
Man, jury duty anyways.
But anyways, that was kind of alow light of my week.
But now, hey, you know whatLife is good.
Travis Rosinger (04:16):
So maybe God was just wanting to give you a
preview of your future secondcareer as an attorney a lawyer.
Dawn Rosinger (04:21):
I'm just kidding.
I don't think you would wantthat.
Travis Rosinger (04:24):
I'm a little bit more of the litigator arguer
than you are, so for sure.
Well, hey, to kick off thisweek's episode, we have a few
potentially unnerving and I sayunnerving because they were
unnerving for us.
Dawn Rosinger (04:38):
In the moment they were yes.
Travis Rosinger (04:39):
Yeah, conflict inducing stories from our past
in our marriage, some thingsthat we had to work through,
some decisions that we had tomake, and when I think of that,
you know that setup of what Ijust shared with you of
unnerving or conflict inducing.
I think of our recent.
This would have been aboutprobably a year and a half, two
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years ago.
We were looking for a new butused SUV, and so we were kind of
scouring the used car market.
Dawn Rosinger (05:06):
We had saved up some money.
We wanted to buy something withcash, so we were ready to go
pick it out.
Travis Rosinger (05:10):
Yeah, and it would be new to us.
And so we were looking around.
We wanted to get something withlow miles but high quality
brand car and or SUV.
And so we were looking around,doing our due diligence a good
job and we had found one that Ireally liked.
I was like, oh, you know, yeah,it's a little bit more money
than we want to spend, but it'sthis high quality brand car, suv
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and and, and it had lower miles.
But you know, we did drive awayand we're like, ah yeah, but I
was kind of still leaning moretowards it.
And then, all of a sudden, youDon, you found one that you just
got super excited about.
You're like, wait a second,this just popped down the market
.
We should go look at this.
Maybe we should buy this.
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And I was a little bit morehesitant.
I was like, okay, I'll go lookat it.
And I wasn't really feeling it.
But thanks to you and yourwisdom and you finding this, we
were the first ones to call onit.
They let us go to thedealership.
It was actually at a dealer.
Dawn Rosinger (06:06):
It was at the dealership which I was drawn to,
because the car that you werelooking at was at a car lot.
Travis Rosinger (06:11):
So there was a little bit hesitant, but the
dealership caught my eye, yeahit did, and so we went in there
and, sure enough, we saw it andit was gorgeous, beautiful.
They were doing some work on it, but that it needed to get done
, but they were actually makingthe vehicle better and so
Gorgeous for us in the pricerange that we were looking at.
Dawn Rosinger (06:30):
Maybe some people's terms are like oh, but
practical, low miles, it was agood deal.
Travis Rosinger (06:36):
It was not an $80,000.
Dawn Rosinger (06:37):
SUV.
But no, we would never actuallyprobably have it, but it was
nice the point is is you reallywanted it?
Travis Rosinger (06:44):
after you saw it and after we thought it
through, looked at it, talkedabout it and, of course, knowing
how much you wanted it, I letyou make that pick.
I was just okay, let's go withit.
This is what you want, let's doit.
Dawn Rosinger (06:58):
You know what that particular dilemma that we
had didn't produce tears, butthere is one that we had earlier
in our marriage that definitelyproduced tears.
It was more of a conflict andit came down to two houses.
Travis had found a house thathe really liked, felt like that
we were supposed to purchase it.
I found, honestly, the exactsame house, like three blocks
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away, that someone had alreadylived in for a year.
So it had all the extra stufflike the window curtains, the AC
, the grass, where the housethat you found, even though you
felt like we were supposed tolive there, was brand new, so it
didn't have any extras.
They were probably kind ofaround the same price range, but
one was on a cul-de-sac, onewas on a street.
Anyways, very similar houses.
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I was dead set on the one thatsomeone had lived in for a year.
I was.
So I'm like, oh my word, it'smoving ready, we don't have to
finish the basement, it'd be agreat house to have.
And you're like, nope, we'resupposed to be on this
cul-de-sac in this house, and soit.
Honestly, even in front of ourrealtor, I had tears in my eyes.
He saw me cry because I waslike I really wanted a different
house.
But you found this other houseand you've really felt like, hey
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, we need to move forward, moreof a spiritual type thing.
And so at the end of the day, Ijust had to look at you and say
, okay, I trust you, I trustthat you, you know that's the
right decision and I gave in andwe bought that house.
Travis Rosinger (08:18):
Yeah, and the good news is the car or the SUV
that you picked out worked.
Yeah, again, not tears, butsome conflict or resistance.
Like I had my opinion, you hadyours, and then the house that
we ended up buying and ended upbeing great for our kids.
Dawn Rosinger (08:32):
I have to say that, yeah, you made a good
decision, great about, aboutselling it.
Travis Rosinger (08:37):
You know being able to sell it when God did
finally move us on.
But the point isn't whether youwere right or I were.
Who was right.
The point is is that you gavein and I gave in Right.
You know, we kind of had thatgive and take, even though it
was in the middle of apotentially really high level
conflict.
Dawn Rosinger (08:53):
if we would have let it, you know, I'm sure
you're wondering right now whydid we tell you these stories?
Honestly, because within bothof these potentially conflict
written scenarios, there was akey ingredient that allowed us
to actually move our marriagelives and our family forward,
and this ingredient is found inthe Bible.
It's in one of the most famousverses in the Bible that deals
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specifically with marriage,maybe more specifically than
almost any other verses in theBible, and it's found in
Ephesians 5.
Some believe, honestly, itcould be the most important part
on marriage in the Bible.
Of course, you know there'sother places in the Bible that
focus on marriage and give ussome really great things to
think through, but this is oneof the most helpful and the most
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powerful it absolutely is.
Travis Rosinger (09:37):
Couldn't agree more.
Dawn Rosinger (09:38):
And you know what is important as this is, it
contains what most would thinkis kind of a dirty word, a word
that might make your skin crawl,a word that doesn't seem to
work in our world today, a wordthat contains a character
quality that very few peopleever encouraged others to have,
even though it's found in theBible.
Well, you know what is thisword?
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What is this verse?
This word?
It is this.
Travis Rosinger (10:05):
We're gonna dive into what it says in
Ephesians 5, 21.
Dawn Rosinger (10:08):
And this is a verse submit to one another out
of reverence for Christ.
And Paul is the writer of thischapter, but he is definitely
talking about marriage here, andhere it is again submit to one
another out of reverence forChrist.
There it is.
The cat's out of the bag.
The word, the dirty word, maybesome people would consider it a
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cuss word, whatever, but thedirty word has been said and it
was the first word in that verse.
It was the word submit.
Travis Rosinger (10:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's.
Why is it a dirty word?
Or why does it make peoplecringe?
Because it's like oh, thatmeans me, that's really pointed,
that's hard, that it's talkingdirectly at me and how I'm
supposed to treat you, don, orhow you're supposed to treat me,
and it just doesn't sound likefun.
No, not at all.
Dawn Rosinger (10:55):
Why Because?
Travis Rosinger (10:55):
I don't get my way.
Dawn Rosinger (10:56):
I remember going through premarital counseling
and they're like, okay, submit,I'm like wait, what does that
mean?
And actually people ask us thatall the time in some of our
premarital counseling, more soin the past, but that word comes
up quite often.
Travis Rosinger (11:08):
Yeah, yeah, and it should, because, like you
kind of set it up and it's true,Don, this is literally one of
the most premier portions of theBible that talk about marriage.
I mean, when it comes tomarriage, this is the first like
one.
Stop not shopping, but likestart with this point in the
Bible if you want to focus onmarriage and then jump around to
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other parts that talk aboutmarriage.
So back to the question why isthis such a despised word?
Well, of course, there's acultural predisposition to be
independent, to be myself, toassert ourselves and to find
ourselves and to be strong andto find one's own path Right.
Yep, we are raised from when wewere, aren't we Don?
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From where we're just little.
We're raised with this notionor this idea of being strong and
encouraged to be that way andnot to be truly interdependent
but be independent, to have theability to depend on ourselves
and to thrive.
Dawn Rosinger (12:09):
I keep thinking of that fast food jingle have it
your way.
I think is that Burger Kinghave it your way.
That's kind of what is alwaysdrilled in our brain.
Travis Rosinger (12:18):
It really is, and I think another reason why
it's such a despised word, thisidea of submission, is because
the word submit might also makeus cringe, because embedded
within it is just maybe thisidea or quality that kind of
makes us feel weak.
Well, if I submit to you, don,then I've given in or I've
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backed down and I'm a pushover,or I'm someone who has lost the
fight and will never get what Iwant in life.
So, man, I'm just exudingweakness.
Or if I submit, then my voicehas been silenced.
Now what I think or what I saydoesn't matter, and so that's
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maybe a hesitation or a cringemoment as we think about submit.
Of course, it's also the ideathat I don't want to be the
other person's slave.
What if they just want to takeadvantage of me?
If I give in now, they're goingto keep wanting me to give in
and then they're never going to,in return, give that back.
And so, yes, those are some ofthe potential downsides, or at
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least the stereotypes, ofsomeone who submits.
But what does the word actuallymean?
And why would Paul the apostle,why would he write those words
to Christians back in the firstcentury?
Well, of course we're living ina very different world than
what Paul lived in.
So what does it mean for yourmarriage right here, right now,
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for today?
What does the word submit meanand what does it look like in
marriage, practically speaking?
Dawn Rosinger (13:50):
I think, before we talk about what the word
submit means, we need to justanswer the question why submit?
What's the point?
We first need to back up andremind ourselves why Paul
actually wrote these words inEphesians 5.
Yes, when he said submit to oneanother out of reverence for
Christ, he was talking aboutsubmission in marriage, but he
was also about to launch into ateaching on all relationships
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marriage relationships, childrenwith parents, employees with
their employers.
You guys, let's be honest, youcan't actually have a
relationship with anyone whowon't submit to you and you
won't submit to them.
You guys, we submit to othersconstantly.
We submit to people.
Every time we get in the carand drive and we get on the fru,
we're submitting that they'regoing to be great drivers and
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that we're actually going to betaking a risk and hopefully
they're obeying the laws andstaying in the lane.
We submit to a pilot when weget on an airplane just hey,
he's going to be at thecontrollers, we're going to be
in the back.
We're submitting that he'sgoing to get us from one place
to another safely.
We also submit to cooks as goofyas it sounds when we go to
restaurants, we're submittingthat they aren't going to drop
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our food.
They're going to cook it to theright temperature.
Travis Rosinger (14:59):
They're not going to spit in our food, or if
they drop our food, we'resubmitting to the idea that
they'll at least dust off thedirt and the hair.
Dawn Rosinger (15:07):
Yeah, make sure that we don't know that.
It was on the floor already.
But honestly, you guys, evenwhen we submit to friends just
think about this Friends whomaybe want to go out to eat and
maybe go to a concert.
For example, one friend saysthey will drive and the other
friend says they'll prepay forthe concert tickets online the
one friend submits to the otherfriend as they allow themselves
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to be driven around by someoneelse.
It's a giving up of control andauthority of being the one in
charge of the vehicle and thedirection that it's actually
going.
So you're submitting to them asthey're driving.
The other friend who is drivinghas submitted to the authority
and the power of the otherfriend, trusting that they have
purchased the tickets in advanceand will have an electronic
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version on them so they can bothget into the concert.
Yes, this is submission on avery low level, but it is the
basis for almost anyrelationship.
Travis Rosinger (15:57):
Yeah, relationships don't work if
there isn't submission.
And I love your example, Don.
I mean, like getting into thecar.
If I get in a car with you, youhave a different driving style
than I have, and so we submit toeach other Like.
I'm a little faster and kind ofdart around and you're a little
slower and get us there alittle bit later, but we're
submitting to each other, andeven the things that we don't
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love about that experience,we're still submitting.
Dawn Rosinger (16:23):
Relationships can't start without submission.
That's why Paul starts talkingabout how we all need to submit
to one another out of reverencefor Christ, because any
relationship without some levelof submission doesn't work and
will ultimately come to an end.
And knowing this should causeus to want to change our
thinking about submission inmarriage.
Submission in marriage one ofthe things that makes marriage
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work the most.
Honestly, it doesn't hurtmarriage, it actually it blesses
our marriage.
Travis Rosinger (16:51):
So again going back to that question, what does
the word submit mean?
Well, according to Collins'dictionary, the word submit
means to give over or yield tothe power or authority of
another, and that's actuallypretty clear.
It's painful.
It's not easy, but it's prettyclear.
Well, we wanted to look it up.
You know that word when Paulsays submit to one another in
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Christ.
We wanted to look that up inthe original Greek and so I
pulled it up in my inner linearBible and then went to the
Strong's Concordance and itcomes from that word.
Submit is the Greek wordhupotaso, and this hupotaso
means to place or rank under, tosubject or to obey.
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But when we looked it up aswell, that word and kind of did
a further word study, itliterally means under.
That's what hypo means, andtasso means to arrange.
So, donna, as I put myselfunder you and I submit to you
this idea, so I've done the hypo.
Now the tasso is.
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There's order.
There's some arrangement in ourmarriage and it actually works
Now, according to the NewTestament Greek lexicon, here's
what it says about that word aGreek military term, submit
meaning to arrange in a militaryfashion under the command of a
leader, but in a non-militaryuse it says it was a voluntary
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attitude of giving in, ofcooperating, assuming
responsibility and carryingburden.
Dawn Rosinger (18:25):
I like that word voluntary.
Travis Rosinger (18:27):
Yeah.
Dawn Rosinger (18:27):
Like, you're choosing, you're voluntarily,
you know, having an attitude ofgiving in, of assuming.
I love that.
Travis Rosinger (18:34):
Yeah, and again , it means that if I submit to
someone else, I'm choosing toput myself under them.
I'm going to work with them,cooperate and help carry the
responsibility of whatever it isthat we might be about to
disagree over.
Okay, we're going to disagree,I'm going to submit to you and
now, even though it's not what Iwanted, I'm going to help carry
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that responsibility Again.
According to Collins, it meansto give over or to yield to the
power or authority of another.
Dawn Rosinger (19:03):
All right, you know, let's just talk about the
elephant in the room.
Submitting is so hard sometimes.
Travis Rosinger (19:08):
Oh man, it's so hard, so difficult.
Dawn Rosinger (19:11):
You know what?
There's reasons sometimes thatI don't want to submit and
honestly, it comes down to thisSometimes I'm just selfish, I
want what I want, I want my ownway.
I remember when we were growingup and with the kids there's so
many times that we'd havefamily night and you like Taco
Bell, the kids love Taco Bell.
So there was always a vote hey,let's go to Taco Bell.
And I would be like no, I don'twant Taco Bell.
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I'd get frustrated and I'm likeI don't want Taco Bell, why?
Just because I wanted my ownway, and so sometimes submitting
and that's such a goofy littlething, but it's because I want
my own way sometimes.
Travis Rosinger (19:45):
Yeah, and I think submitting is the elephant
in the room is so hard becauseI feel like when I submit,
honestly, I have the rightopinion, like I'm right, and so
when I submit, it feels like I'msaying I'm wrong.
And because I'm so right andbecause I've got everything
together and you're always wrong, don, then submitting just
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feels hard, and of course I'mjoking and goofy, but sometimes
that's what I'm thinking in mymind I'm right, why would I want
to submit to you?
Dawn Rosinger (20:13):
I really think the point of what Paul was
saying, the point is just mutualsubmission, and that's what he
was suggesting.
Thinking about a world where wehonor each other's opinions is
absolutely amazing.
Why?
Because everyone is heard.
We can make more well thoughtthrough decisions.
When there's that mutualsubmission, we offend each other
much less and negative conflictcan be avoided.
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Conflict is there, but there isa quick solution provided when
mutual submission just naturallyoccurs.
This world of mutual submissionsounds absolutely amazing.
If it works, if that's the wayit actually plays out, it's
possible and it can actually beachieved within the context of
any relationship, but especiallyin the context of marriage.
Travis Rosinger (20:57):
Yeah.
So how about some practicalapplication to Paul's words when
he said submit to one anotherout of reverence for Christ?
Well, here's the, here's thetough part, the the application
side.
Someone has to go first.
Dawn Rosinger (21:13):
Yeah, and that's no fun Ouch that hurts.
Travis Rosinger (21:15):
I mean, that's the toughest part.
Do I trust them?
I mean, well, I ever get what Iwant in return if I go first.
Yet here's the thing submittingto your spouse starts to build
up the trust bank and Kind oflike a regular bank account with
money in it, the trust bank.
You know, when you submit toyour spouse you then start to
have a higher balance for whenyou might ask them for their
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Williness to submit to your idea, your desire in the future.
So start making those depositsand say you know, like this
isn't that important, it'simportant to you, I'm gonna
submit to you.
And what does that do?
Well, they're less likely tothink that you're going to
betray them because you'resubmitting to them on a regular
basis.
And so, hey, they start to want.
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It creates goodwill.
They want to submit as wellback, and it's kind of like what
I would call the house effectand or their house effect.
I'm not sure what to call it,but it's kind of that idea.
When your kids are at your ownhouse, they kind of act like
little devils sometimes, right,but then they go to their
friend's house where the parentsof those friends are acting
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like your kids are, like Perfectangels that they never make
mistakes, and it's kind of thatidea when you know you're at
somebody else's house, you knowthat you've got to act
differently.
And we do that as adults.
When we're over at somebodyelse's house, we know that they
have their own house rules.
So as I'm drinking a glass ofwhatever it is cold something,
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and it's got all the the wateron the outside, it's kind of
sweating, perspiring I go to putit down on their wood coffee
table.
Before I do, I immediately lookaround to see if there's a
coaster that I can put it on soI don't damage their Beautiful
wood coffee table.
On the same way, marriage andand this really comes from Tim
Keller, I love his statementmarriage is God's house, it's
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God's house and so, just like wethink, when we're at somebody
else's house, what are, what'stheir rules?
Well, when we got married, weagreed to God's rules of
marriage.
So submitting to one another isGod's rule for marriage and
really any relationship.
It's probably the number onerule because it fights
Selfishness inside of us.
Dawn Rosinger (23:21):
So if those are God's rules for marriage and for
any relationship, we just haveto stop and ask ourselves how
are we doing?
How are we doing in this Travis?
Are we submitting to each otherin our marriage, or how are you
guys doing today?
You know whoever's listening is.
How are you doing?
What needs to change inside ofyou to get you to the point of
being willing to submit to yourspouse?
Maybe it's just letting go ofpast hurt, forgiving, forgetting
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and moving on, or maybe it'schoosing to respect each other
Over disrespecting each other.
Is it being a better listeneror letting go of your anger?
You know?
What is it actually going totake where you can say you know
I'm going to submit to my spouse?
Travis Rosinger (23:59):
Yeah, and I think in reality, we could just
ask ourselves, oh, why getmarried?
Or, for that matter, why evenfall in love, why even try at
all?
And, and I think it's it'ssubmission, you know, grows us
and makes us stronger.
Dawn Rosinger (24:14):
CS Lewis says this to love it all is to be
vulnerable.
Love anything in your heartWill be wrong and possibly
broken.
If you want to make sure ofkeeping it intact, you must give
it to no one, not even ananimal.
Wrap it carefully round withhobbies and little luxuries,
avoid all entanglements.
Lock it up safe in the casketor coffin of your selfishness.
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But in that casket safe, dark,motionless, airless it will
change, it will not be broken,it will become unbreakable, in
penetratable, irredeemable.
To love is to be vulnerable andhonestly we Agree with CS Lewis
to love is to be vulnerable,and Paul the apostle would add
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to love is to be vulnerableenough to submit To your spouse.
That's what he was talkingabout in Ephesians.
Travis Rosinger (25:03):
Yeah, so we've been talking about the word
submit what it is, andparticularly mutual submissions.
So in our next episode we wantto dig more into the why and the
how of submitting to oneanother.
Dawn Rosinger (25:16):
I think it's time to make that word submit not be
a dirty word in marriageanymore.
Travis Rosinger (25:21):
Yeah, I think that's a great idea.
Well, hey, we want to thank youguys for listening to this
episode of the loving the fightmarriage podcast.
Dawn Rosinger (25:28):
Remember, guys, you can do it.
You got this.
Keep loving the fight.
We'll see you next time you.
Well, hello, we are kicking off our day thinking
about how we can challenge andencourage you and us in our
marriages.
With that, we want to welcomeyou to the Love in the Fight
Marriage Podcast.
My name is Dawn and I'm sittinghere with my husband and my
co-host on our day off, Travis.
Travis Rosinger (00:27):
Yeah, it's our day off.
We're sleeping in today, butreally enjoying just some margin
just to be able to hang out andrelax.
But we get to hang out with youguys as well and we are hoping
that you and your lives and youas individuals are getting some
margin.
Dawn Rosinger (00:45):
It's funny when we say that we sleep in, that
just means we don't set ouralarm.
We're still kind of morning,early risers, and so we get up,
but we just don't have to setour alarm before bed and,
honestly, last night we wereprobably up till about midnight,
which is a little bit laterthan normal, but it's so fun to
have a day off.
Well, since we were with youlast, there's something really
cool that happened in our life.
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We just got to meet officiallygrandbaby number five.
Peter David came into thisworld about a week ago and we
got to go down to Ames and meethim officially.
He came out great, seven poundsstrong, but a few hours later
his lungs kind of he was havinga struggle breathing and so they
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put him on an antibiotic casepneumonia and gave him some
oxygen.
But officially yesterday theygot out of the hospital.
They're home as a family offive and it's great.
We love being grandparents andhave baby number five, grandbaby
number five.
They're all three years andunder.
It's incredible season of ourlife.
Travis Rosinger (01:45):
It really is, and he's strong and healthy and
he was at home and his brotherswere kind of bouncing around him
and everybody was just hangingout.
It was so fun to be able tohold their grandson and just
love on him.
But man, is he doing a well andwe're so grateful to have him
in our family.
Dawn Rosinger (02:03):
I know you guys, we talk about our family a lot.
We just love being parents,love being grandparents, love
relationships, but, man, one ofour main values that we have in
life beyond Jesus, is justreally being relationally
connected to our kids and ourgrandkids.
Well, so we have this highlightof our week, but then there was
something that happened thatwas out of the ordinary for me
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this last week, and it was thisI got a letter in the mail about
a month ago and I was summonsto jury duty.
And this was my second timeofficially being summons, the
first time we actually weremoving out of the county.
So then, you know, it wasn'trelevant at that point it
couldn't serve.
But this last week I had to goin, so we had a grandbaby, we
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were down in Ames and then Icall in and, sure enough, I had
to show up for jury duty.
And it was kind of bummertiming in the sense of I had
something that I was lookingforward to.
We have our big staff Christmasparty with all the staff like
400 people at our church, and itwas going to.
You know, we were going to gettogether and have this Christmas
party during the day, during awork day, and sure enough, I had
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to report for jury duty.
Travis Rosinger (03:06):
Yeah, you got totally bumped out of that
really fun opportunity.
Oh, I was so sad.
What a bummer you got the shaft.
I'm so sorry.
Dawn Rosinger (03:16):
I was totally trying to have a great attitude.
You could tell I was bummed.
My eyes, you know, I couldn'treally focus very much.
My eyes were filled with tearswhen I got called in and you
looked at me and you said, hey,you never know, don, you know
you could possibly be meetingyour new best friend at jury
duty.
And in that moment I wasn'tsuper appreciative of that
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comment because I was kind ofpouting and having a pity party.
But then the next morning I wokeup and I thought, you know, I
was praying and reading my Bibleand there's a reason for
everything, right.
I'm not sure why the timing isright now, I'm not sure why I
have to miss our all staffChristmas party, but I'm just
trusting God.
And I don't know exactly thereason yet why I was called in.
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I was there for two days.
They drilled me, went throughall the questions and then at
the end I didn't end up gettingpicked, anyways.
People were laughing at me.
They're like well, who pickspastors?
Man, jury duty anyways.
But anyways, that was kind of alow light of my week.
But now, hey, you know whatLife is good.
Travis Rosinger (04:16):
So maybe God was just wanting to give you a
preview of your future secondcareer as an attorney a lawyer.
Dawn Rosinger (04:21):
I'm just kidding.
I don't think you would wantthat.
Travis Rosinger (04:24):
I'm a little bit more of the litigator arguer
than you are, so for sure.
Well, hey, to kick off thisweek's episode, we have a few
potentially unnerving and I sayunnerving because they were
unnerving for us.
Dawn Rosinger (04:38):
In the moment they were yes.
Travis Rosinger (04:39):
Yeah, conflict inducing stories from our past
in our marriage, some thingsthat we had to work through,
some decisions that we had tomake, and when I think of that,
you know that setup of what Ijust shared with you of
unnerving or conflict inducing.
I think of our recent.
This would have been aboutprobably a year and a half, two
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years ago.
We were looking for a new butused SUV, and so we were kind of
scouring the used car market.
Dawn Rosinger (05:06):
We had saved up some money.
We wanted to buy something withcash, so we were ready to go
pick it out.
Travis Rosinger (05:10):
Yeah, and it would be new to us.
And so we were looking around.
We wanted to get something withlow miles but high quality
brand car and or SUV.
And so we were looking around,doing our due diligence a good
job and we had found one that Ireally liked.
I was like, oh, you know, yeah,it's a little bit more money
than we want to spend, but it'sthis high quality brand car, suv
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and and, and it had lower miles.
But you know, we did drive awayand we're like, ah yeah, but I
was kind of still leaning moretowards it.
And then, all of a sudden, youDon, you found one that you just
got super excited about.
You're like, wait a second,this just popped down the market
.
We should go look at this.
Maybe we should buy this.
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And I was a little bit morehesitant.
I was like, okay, I'll go lookat it.
And I wasn't really feeling it.
But thanks to you and yourwisdom and you finding this, we
were the first ones to call onit.
They let us go to thedealership.
It was actually at a dealer.
Dawn Rosinger (06:06):
It was at the dealership which I was drawn to,
because the car that you werelooking at was at a car lot.
Travis Rosinger (06:11):
So there was a little bit hesitant, but the
dealership caught my eye, yeahit did, and so we went in there
and, sure enough, we saw it andit was gorgeous, beautiful.
They were doing some work on it, but that it needed to get done
, but they were actually makingthe vehicle better and so
Gorgeous for us in the pricerange that we were looking at.
Dawn Rosinger (06:30):
Maybe some people's terms are like oh, but
practical, low miles, it was agood deal.
Travis Rosinger (06:36):
It was not an $80,000.
Dawn Rosinger (06:37):
SUV.
But no, we would never actuallyprobably have it, but it was
nice the point is is you reallywanted it?
Travis Rosinger (06:44):
after you saw it and after we thought it
through, looked at it, talkedabout it and, of course, knowing
how much you wanted it, I letyou make that pick.
I was just okay, let's go withit.
This is what you want, let's doit.
Dawn Rosinger (06:58):
You know what that particular dilemma that we
had didn't produce tears, butthere is one that we had earlier
in our marriage that definitelyproduced tears.
It was more of a conflict andit came down to two houses.
Travis had found a house thathe really liked, felt like that
we were supposed to purchase it.
I found, honestly, the exactsame house, like three blocks
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away, that someone had alreadylived in for a year.
So it had all the extra stufflike the window curtains, the AC
, the grass, where the housethat you found, even though you
felt like we were supposed tolive there, was brand new, so it
didn't have any extras.
They were probably kind ofaround the same price range, but
one was on a cul-de-sac, onewas on a street.
Anyways, very similar houses.
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I was dead set on the one thatsomeone had lived in for a year.
I was.
So I'm like, oh my word, it'smoving ready, we don't have to
finish the basement, it'd be agreat house to have.
And you're like, nope, we'resupposed to be on this
cul-de-sac in this house, and soit.
Honestly, even in front of ourrealtor, I had tears in my eyes.
He saw me cry because I waslike I really wanted a different
house.
But you found this other houseand you've really felt like, hey
(08:04):
, we need to move forward, moreof a spiritual type thing.
And so at the end of the day, Ijust had to look at you and say
, okay, I trust you, I trustthat you, you know that's the
right decision and I gave in andwe bought that house.
Travis Rosinger (08:18):
Yeah, and the good news is the car or the SUV
that you picked out worked.
Yeah, again, not tears, butsome conflict or resistance.
Like I had my opinion, you hadyours, and then the house that
we ended up buying and ended upbeing great for our kids.
Dawn Rosinger (08:32):
I have to say that, yeah, you made a good
decision, great about, aboutselling it.
Travis Rosinger (08:37):
You know being able to sell it when God did
finally move us on.
But the point isn't whether youwere right or I were.
Who was right.
The point is is that you gavein and I gave in Right.
You know, we kind of had thatgive and take, even though it
was in the middle of apotentially really high level
conflict.
Dawn Rosinger (08:53):
if we would have let it, you know, I'm sure
you're wondering right now whydid we tell you these stories?
Honestly, because within bothof these potentially conflict
written scenarios, there was akey ingredient that allowed us
to actually move our marriagelives and our family forward,
and this ingredient is found inthe Bible.
It's in one of the most famousverses in the Bible that deals
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specifically with marriage,maybe more specifically than
almost any other verses in theBible, and it's found in
Ephesians 5.
Some believe, honestly, itcould be the most important part
on marriage in the Bible.
Of course, you know there'sother places in the Bible that
focus on marriage and give ussome really great things to
think through, but this is oneof the most helpful and the most
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powerful it absolutely is.
Travis Rosinger (09:37):
Couldn't agree more.
Dawn Rosinger (09:38):
And you know what is important as this is, it
contains what most would thinkis kind of a dirty word, a word
that might make your skin crawl,a word that doesn't seem to
work in our world today, a wordthat contains a character
quality that very few peopleever encouraged others to have,
even though it's found in theBible.
Well, you know what is thisword?
(10:00):
What is this verse?
This word?
It is this.
Travis Rosinger (10:05):
We're gonna dive into what it says in
Ephesians 5, 21.
Dawn Rosinger (10:08):
And this is a verse submit to one another out
of reverence for Christ.
And Paul is the writer of thischapter, but he is definitely
talking about marriage here, andhere it is again submit to one
another out of reverence forChrist.
There it is.
The cat's out of the bag.
The word, the dirty word, maybesome people would consider it a
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cuss word, whatever, but thedirty word has been said and it
was the first word in that verse.
It was the word submit.
Travis Rosinger (10:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's.
Why is it a dirty word?
Or why does it make peoplecringe?
Because it's like oh, thatmeans me, that's really pointed,
that's hard, that it's talkingdirectly at me and how I'm
supposed to treat you, don, orhow you're supposed to treat me,
and it just doesn't sound likefun.
No, not at all.
Dawn Rosinger (10:55):
Why Because?
Travis Rosinger (10:55):
I don't get my way.
Dawn Rosinger (10:56):
I remember going through premarital counseling
and they're like, okay, submit,I'm like wait, what does that
mean?
And actually people ask us thatall the time in some of our
premarital counseling, more soin the past, but that word comes
up quite often.
Travis Rosinger (11:08):
Yeah, yeah, and it should, because, like you
kind of set it up and it's true,Don, this is literally one of
the most premier portions of theBible that talk about marriage.
I mean, when it comes tomarriage, this is the first like
one.
Stop not shopping, but likestart with this point in the
Bible if you want to focus onmarriage and then jump around to
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other parts that talk aboutmarriage.
So back to the question why isthis such a despised word?
Well, of course, there's acultural predisposition to be
independent, to be myself, toassert ourselves and to find
ourselves and to be strong andto find one's own path Right.
Yep, we are raised from when wewere, aren't we Don?
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From where we're just little.
We're raised with this notionor this idea of being strong and
encouraged to be that way andnot to be truly interdependent
but be independent, to have theability to depend on ourselves
and to thrive.
Dawn Rosinger (12:09):
I keep thinking of that fast food jingle have it
your way.
I think is that Burger Kinghave it your way.
That's kind of what is alwaysdrilled in our brain.
Travis Rosinger (12:18):
It really is, and I think another reason why
it's such a despised word, thisidea of submission, is because
the word submit might also makeus cringe, because embedded
within it is just maybe thisidea or quality that kind of
makes us feel weak.
Well, if I submit to you, don,then I've given in or I've
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backed down and I'm a pushover,or I'm someone who has lost the
fight and will never get what Iwant in life.
So, man, I'm just exudingweakness.
Or if I submit, then my voicehas been silenced.
Now what I think or what I saydoesn't matter, and so that's
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maybe a hesitation or a cringemoment as we think about submit.
Of course, it's also the ideathat I don't want to be the
other person's slave.
What if they just want to takeadvantage of me?
If I give in now, they're goingto keep wanting me to give in
and then they're never going to,in return, give that back.
And so, yes, those are some ofthe potential downsides, or at
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least the stereotypes, ofsomeone who submits.
But what does the word actuallymean?
And why would Paul the apostle,why would he write those words
to Christians back in the firstcentury?
Well, of course we're living ina very different world than
what Paul lived in.
So what does it mean for yourmarriage right here, right now,
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for today?
What does the word submit meanand what does it look like in
marriage, practically speaking?
Dawn Rosinger (13:50):
I think, before we talk about what the word
submit means, we need to justanswer the question why submit?
What's the point?
We first need to back up andremind ourselves why Paul
actually wrote these words inEphesians 5.
Yes, when he said submit to oneanother out of reverence for
Christ, he was talking aboutsubmission in marriage, but he
was also about to launch into ateaching on all relationships
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marriage relationships, childrenwith parents, employees with
their employers.
You guys, let's be honest, youcan't actually have a
relationship with anyone whowon't submit to you and you
won't submit to them.
You guys, we submit to othersconstantly.
We submit to people.
Every time we get in the carand drive and we get on the fru,
we're submitting that they'regoing to be great drivers and
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that we're actually going to betaking a risk and hopefully
they're obeying the laws andstaying in the lane.
We submit to a pilot when weget on an airplane just hey,
he's going to be at thecontrollers, we're going to be
in the back.
We're submitting that he'sgoing to get us from one place
to another safely.
We also submit to cooks as goofyas it sounds when we go to
restaurants, we're submittingthat they aren't going to drop
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our food.
They're going to cook it to theright temperature.
Travis Rosinger (14:59):
They're not going to spit in our food, or if
they drop our food, we'resubmitting to the idea that
they'll at least dust off thedirt and the hair.
Dawn Rosinger (15:07):
Yeah, make sure that we don't know that.
It was on the floor already.
But honestly, you guys, evenwhen we submit to friends just
think about this Friends whomaybe want to go out to eat and
maybe go to a concert.
For example, one friend saysthey will drive and the other
friend says they'll prepay forthe concert tickets online the
one friend submits to the otherfriend as they allow themselves
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to be driven around by someoneelse.
It's a giving up of control andauthority of being the one in
charge of the vehicle and thedirection that it's actually
going.
So you're submitting to them asthey're driving.
The other friend who is drivinghas submitted to the authority
and the power of the otherfriend, trusting that they have
purchased the tickets in advanceand will have an electronic
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version on them so they can bothget into the concert.
Yes, this is submission on avery low level, but it is the
basis for almost anyrelationship.
Travis Rosinger (15:57):
Yeah, relationships don't work if
there isn't submission.
And I love your example, Don.
I mean, like getting into thecar.
If I get in a car with you, youhave a different driving style
than I have, and so we submit toeach other Like.
I'm a little faster and kind ofdart around and you're a little
slower and get us there alittle bit later, but we're
submitting to each other, andeven the things that we don't
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love about that experience,we're still submitting.
Dawn Rosinger (16:23):
Relationships can't start without submission.
That's why Paul starts talkingabout how we all need to submit
to one another out of reverencefor Christ, because any
relationship without some levelof submission doesn't work and
will ultimately come to an end.
And knowing this should causeus to want to change our
thinking about submission inmarriage.
Submission in marriage one ofthe things that makes marriage
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work the most.
Honestly, it doesn't hurtmarriage, it actually it blesses
our marriage.
Travis Rosinger (16:51):
So again going back to that question, what does
the word submit mean?
Well, according to Collins'dictionary, the word submit
means to give over or yield tothe power or authority of
another, and that's actuallypretty clear.
It's painful.
It's not easy, but it's prettyclear.
Well, we wanted to look it up.
You know that word when Paulsays submit to one another in
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Christ.
We wanted to look that up inthe original Greek and so I
pulled it up in my inner linearBible and then went to the
Strong's Concordance and itcomes from that word.
Submit is the Greek wordhupotaso, and this hupotaso
means to place or rank under, tosubject or to obey.
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But when we looked it up aswell, that word and kind of did
a further word study, itliterally means under.
That's what hypo means, andtasso means to arrange.
So, donna, as I put myselfunder you and I submit to you
this idea, so I've done the hypo.
Now the tasso is.
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There's order.
There's some arrangement in ourmarriage and it actually works
Now, according to the NewTestament Greek lexicon, here's
what it says about that word aGreek military term, submit
meaning to arrange in a militaryfashion under the command of a
leader, but in a non-militaryuse it says it was a voluntary
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attitude of giving in, ofcooperating, assuming
responsibility and carryingburden.
Dawn Rosinger (18:25):
I like that word voluntary.
Travis Rosinger (18:27):
Yeah.
Dawn Rosinger (18:27):
Like, you're choosing, you're voluntarily,
you know, having an attitude ofgiving in, of assuming.
I love that.
Travis Rosinger (18:34):
Yeah, and again , it means that if I submit to
someone else, I'm choosing toput myself under them.
I'm going to work with them,cooperate and help carry the
responsibility of whatever it isthat we might be about to
disagree over.
Okay, we're going to disagree,I'm going to submit to you and
now, even though it's not what Iwanted, I'm going to help carry
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that responsibility Again.
According to Collins, it meansto give over or to yield to the
power or authority of another.
Dawn Rosinger (19:03):
All right, you know, let's just talk about the
elephant in the room.
Submitting is so hard sometimes.
Travis Rosinger (19:08):
Oh man, it's so hard, so difficult.
Dawn Rosinger (19:11):
You know what?
There's reasons sometimes thatI don't want to submit and
honestly, it comes down to thisSometimes I'm just selfish, I
want what I want, I want my ownway.
I remember when we were growingup and with the kids there's so
many times that we'd havefamily night and you like Taco
Bell, the kids love Taco Bell.
So there was always a vote hey,let's go to Taco Bell.
And I would be like no, I don'twant Taco Bell.
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I'd get frustrated and I'm likeI don't want Taco Bell, why?
Just because I wanted my ownway, and so sometimes submitting
and that's such a goofy littlething, but it's because I want
my own way sometimes.
Travis Rosinger (19:45):
Yeah, and I think submitting is the elephant
in the room is so hard becauseI feel like when I submit,
honestly, I have the rightopinion, like I'm right, and so
when I submit, it feels like I'msaying I'm wrong.
And because I'm so right andbecause I've got everything
together and you're always wrong, don, then submitting just
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feels hard, and of course I'mjoking and goofy, but sometimes
that's what I'm thinking in mymind I'm right, why would I want
to submit to you?
Dawn Rosinger (20:13):
I really think the point of what Paul was
saying, the point is just mutualsubmission, and that's what he
was suggesting.
Thinking about a world where wehonor each other's opinions is
absolutely amazing.
Why?
Because everyone is heard.
We can make more well thoughtthrough decisions.
When there's that mutualsubmission, we offend each other
much less and negative conflictcan be avoided.
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Conflict is there, but there isa quick solution provided when
mutual submission just naturallyoccurs.
This world of mutual submissionsounds absolutely amazing.
If it works, if that's the wayit actually plays out, it's
possible and it can actually beachieved within the context of
any relationship, but especiallyin the context of marriage.
Travis Rosinger (20:57):
Yeah.
So how about some practicalapplication to Paul's words when
he said submit to one anotherout of reverence for Christ?
Well, here's the, here's thetough part, the the application
side.
Someone has to go first.
Dawn Rosinger (21:13):
Yeah, and that's no fun Ouch that hurts.
Travis Rosinger (21:15):
I mean, that's the toughest part.
Do I trust them?
I mean, well, I ever get what Iwant in return if I go first.
Yet here's the thing submittingto your spouse starts to build
up the trust bank and Kind oflike a regular bank account with
money in it, the trust bank.
You know, when you submit toyour spouse you then start to
have a higher balance for whenyou might ask them for their
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Williness to submit to your idea, your desire in the future.
So start making those depositsand say you know, like this
isn't that important, it'simportant to you, I'm gonna
submit to you.
And what does that do?
Well, they're less likely tothink that you're going to
betray them because you'resubmitting to them on a regular
basis.
And so, hey, they start to want.
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It creates goodwill.
They want to submit as wellback, and it's kind of like what
I would call the house effectand or their house effect.
I'm not sure what to call it,but it's kind of that idea.
When your kids are at your ownhouse, they kind of act like
little devils sometimes, right,but then they go to their
friend's house where the parentsof those friends are acting
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like your kids are, like Perfectangels that they never make
mistakes, and it's kind of thatidea when you know you're at
somebody else's house, you knowthat you've got to act
differently.
And we do that as adults.
When we're over at somebodyelse's house, we know that they
have their own house rules.
So as I'm drinking a glass ofwhatever it is cold something,
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and it's got all the the wateron the outside, it's kind of
sweating, perspiring I go to putit down on their wood coffee
table.
Before I do, I immediately lookaround to see if there's a
coaster that I can put it on soI don't damage their Beautiful
wood coffee table.
On the same way, marriage andand this really comes from Tim
Keller, I love his statementmarriage is God's house, it's
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God's house and so, just like wethink, when we're at somebody
else's house, what are, what'stheir rules?
Well, when we got married, weagreed to God's rules of
marriage.
So submitting to one another isGod's rule for marriage and
really any relationship.
It's probably the number onerule because it fights
Selfishness inside of us.
Dawn Rosinger (23:21):
So if those are God's rules for marriage and for
any relationship, we just haveto stop and ask ourselves how
are we doing?
How are we doing in this Travis?
Are we submitting to each otherin our marriage, or how are you
guys doing today?
You know whoever's listening is.
How are you doing?
What needs to change inside ofyou to get you to the point of
being willing to submit to yourspouse?
Maybe it's just letting go ofpast hurt, forgiving, forgetting
(23:44):
and moving on, or maybe it'schoosing to respect each other
Over disrespecting each other.
Is it being a better listeneror letting go of your anger?
You know?
What is it actually going totake where you can say you know
I'm going to submit to my spouse?
Travis Rosinger (23:59):
Yeah, and I think in reality, we could just
ask ourselves, oh, why getmarried?
Or, for that matter, why evenfall in love, why even try at
all?
And, and I think it's it'ssubmission, you know, grows us
and makes us stronger.
Dawn Rosinger (24:14):
CS Lewis says this to love it all is to be
vulnerable.
Love anything in your heartWill be wrong and possibly
broken.
If you want to make sure ofkeeping it intact, you must give
it to no one, not even ananimal.
Wrap it carefully round withhobbies and little luxuries,
avoid all entanglements.
Lock it up safe in the casketor coffin of your selfishness.
(24:35):
But in that casket safe, dark,motionless, airless it will
change, it will not be broken,it will become unbreakable, in
penetratable, irredeemable.
To love is to be vulnerable andhonestly we Agree with CS Lewis
to love is to be vulnerable,and Paul the apostle would add
(24:56):
to love is to be vulnerableenough to submit To your spouse.
That's what he was talkingabout in Ephesians.
Travis Rosinger (25:03):
Yeah, so we've been talking about the word
submit what it is, andparticularly mutual submissions.
So in our next episode we wantto dig more into the why and the
how of submitting to oneanother.
Dawn Rosinger (25:16):
I think it's time to make that word submit not be
a dirty word in marriageanymore.
Travis Rosinger (25:21):
Yeah, I think that's a great idea.
Well, hey, we want to thank youguys for listening to this
episode of the loving the fightmarriage podcast.
Dawn Rosinger (25:28):
Remember, guys, you can do it.
You got this.
Keep loving the fight.
We'll see you next time you.
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