EA Sports College Football 25

Luke and Alex Talk EA Sports College Football 25

Luke and Alex dive into EA Sports College Football 25, marking the long-awaited return of this beloved franchise. With a Metacritic score of 85, the game brings dynamic gameplay and the thrill of college football back to consoles.

Luke, with over 100 hours on his Xbox Series X, offers deep insights into the game's mechanics and dynasty mode. Meanwhile, Alex, with around 15 hours of playtime, brings a fresh perspective, using this opportunity to have some of his burning questions answered by Luke.

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Speaker 2 (00:21):
hit it bud all right.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
So right now you're hearing some epic collegiate
drumline going onDa-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da,
and your 10-year wait is overand, even more importantly, your
what?
Few weeks to month-ish longwait to hear what I had to say
about college football isfinally over.
Hello, my name is Luke and thisis my brother and co-host, alex

(00:45):
.
Hey, what?

Speaker 2 (00:46):
up everybody.
I'm a little late to the pond.
I had to finish studying for myexams.
Sure Coach said if I don'tbring my grades up, I can't
continue to play.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Al's on double secret probation, double duty, secret
probation.
What is that from Animal HouseDoesn't matter.
Double secret probation, buthe's going to make.
Is that from Animal HouseDoesn't matter, Double secret
probation, but he's going tomake it.
He's on the road to glory andwe are low five game.
And how are you doing today?

Speaker 2 (01:10):
buddy, pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
I even cracked this beer, just because I figure, if
we're talking college football,we might as well be drinking a
beer right, that's way too fancyfor a college beer, though I
had a Miller Lite earlier today,so I'm a little bit more on
brand with a college lifestyle.
What type of boozy shit is that?

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Roll back, roll back.
Let me get this keg.
Tap this keg to a keg stand.
Let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
All righty to start on a tangent, but now it's an
actual college case.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
We are not in our on-station sponsor spot, but
this beer is from VoyagerBrewing Company, based out of
Grand Marais, Minnesota.
Very based out of, uh, grandmarais, minnesota.
Very niche content here fory'all the north of minnesota.
What are we sipping on?
What is it?
Ah, yes, but it is the gunwalebobber.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
It's a hazy india pale ale yeah, al was a big
rugby boy, aka frat kid, incollege parting his brains out
and you bought the most obscuregame I think I've played to this
day in the more modern erawhich was rugby.
It's like rugby 2008 orsomething, and that was, that
was something so it was tightdude, I played it recently um

(02:13):
really like on an emulation?
no, I've got it still on the ps2.
That's cool.
I kind of miss when ea wouldtake a shot.
But here we are, we are, we areback college football is back.
If you are a fan of the show,you know that ncaa 14 is one of
my favorite games of all time,um, and we've been playing this

(02:33):
since we were little kids.
Do you have any, you know, tostart us off?
You got any nostalgia storiesto kick us with, or should I?
Should I lead us to one warmChristmas?

Speaker 2 (02:41):
morning, I do not have NCAA football 2014.
We didn't.
That wouldn't 2014,.
I suppose You're playing thaton PS3?
Yes, sir, yeah, but PS2 back inthe day, dude, check that out.
This is where we, this is whereit all started.
So when you say nostalgia, Ihave NCAA football in my hand.

(03:02):
I have NCAA football 2003 andNCAA football 2004.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
I'm not sure one of those you bought and it was
really cool.
And then the other one, 2003,is from blockbuster yo it's got
a blockbuster tag, so doublenostalgia.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
I open that up, dude booklets.
I miss booklets, bro.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yes, Physical media, but you were in high school
during that time right, 2003would have been yeah, my senior
into, yeah, senior year.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
So I graduated in 04.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
So you bought one of those and then the other one I
know I got for Christmas morningin Florida, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Well, the 2004 would have been the one.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
That's the random memory I have of it and I loved
it so deeply.
Can't have it back, bro, itstays with me.
That's okay, I don't haveanything to play it on, but I
remember it so deeply because Iwas a big Lawrence, maroney and
Mary and Barbara, the thirdgopher's fan back in the day.
This is pretty much one of of,if not their only, glory days in

(04:07):
like last 30 years.
So, uh, it's got this sweetspot for me and although I was a
big madden kid, this littlepocket I was really into it, so
I always liked the game.
At the time I could tell it wasdifferent I loved all the
college yep, dude, I love optionshit so hard.
You can do that more so inmodern maddens, but not to this
degree I loved all the collegefight songs.
Dude, you could do the mascotgames where he was like you're

(04:29):
playing as 11 gophers versuslike 11 spartans and like that's
the dumb shit as a kid I justloved, so like I've always loved
this game so I mean, like a lotof the games of the time, it
was a bit broken.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
So there's like just like, uh, madden, of the same
era, you play slot you, youthrow slot cross, you're gonna
get a touchdown like 90 of thetime, right.
So this was very similar withthe ncaa games.
Like there's a few plays, Ifigured out that like pretty
broken.
Uh, I don't remember who thequarterback would have been, but
in this era we were givennumbers and not names, even
though they corresponded withkind of quarter.

(05:03):
That's why the why the EA gotin hot water, right, because
some of the stats were matchingup or some bullshit in the
numbers.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
The players.
They would have their physicalspecifications pretty locked on
with let's say you were JohnnyManziel at a university, at
Texas A&M, in 2014.
He was from whatever the nameto the guy, he was from the same
hometown.
He had the same height.
It was like it was prettyegregious and it was stupid, but
you know you couldn't paycollege athletes not legally

(05:31):
distinct no you didn't have name, image and likeness right so
the cover athlete would alwaysbe some guy that just graduated
from college.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
It was kind of oh, interesting, okay, that makes
sense.
Yeah, I bring it up, though,because whoever was
quarterbacking for the gophersat that time, which obviously
the hometown team, that's whereI was playing as most the time I
think I did some some seasonsis like org the organ ducks,
that kind of bullshit, becausethey're damn good at the time,
but anyways, the, thequarterback could run dude and
like.
That's how this game was broken.

(05:59):
Not only was like the optionnice, not only would you find a
cool, a few cool plays, but ifyou had a quarterback that could
run fast, dude, you just dropout of the pocket and just hit
that gap, dude, like touchdownalmost every time.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
No, as a kid I would play as the Gophers too.
Our dad worked there as well,but neither of us attended Fuck
them.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
That's my graduate studies there, but sure.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
I'm a red shirt senior coming back.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
I would play mary and barbara the third.
I'd switch them from runningback to quarterback and then I'd
run the hill, mary, and thenjust run out of the pocket and
cheese it, but I was also achild playing on easy settings
talk, yeah, um great game though.
So they finally got sued.
Ea, you know, took it down, andit's just been this gap for a

(06:51):
good 10 years.
I would say that the fan basehas generally been like foaming
at the mouth for this game ohyeah, there's a few games out
there where you just have peoplejust ravenous, and this was one
of them.
Them and you know, in the pastpodcast we've talked a lot about
how Madden is stale.
Madden needs competition andthis is still from EA, but it
does, in my opinion, offer anice alternative.

(07:15):
I mean, it's only going to makeextra money for EA, but at
least there's going to be somesort of competition.
There's something new.
So, if you're a big footballfan, uh, unfortunately we've
discussed my football maddengaming hours.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
that are shameful.
Uh, I have already reached somepretty peak gross numbers.
It wouldn't be a shameful ifyou like competed or like did
some sort of tournaments or someshit, but you just do it for
your pleasure, which is, youknow, that's cool, that's valid
if you, if you even watch like aYouTuber on it.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
uh, my nephews, it's pretty funny.
They're like going into thefifth grade and a lot of times
I'm like what would I have beenlike at that age?
And these kids are like prettynerdy and they're like watching
these NCAA streams.
They're like, can we play asthis guy?
Uh, on this team that they havea receiver and he's like a 98
speed.
I'm like the things they watchon the youtubes and the

(08:06):
different medias.
It's hilarious.
So, like it's, it's got apretty huge cultural pull right
on.
It's doing quite well right now.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah it came out like I don't know like little when
it first dropped.
There was some, there was some.
There's some discourse outthere that it wasn't the game
that people wanted, but I thinkoverall I've seen pretty
positive reactions to this gameyeah, so I guess we can get into
that right away.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
I'll just think of this in tears.
I think if you think of like ageneral audience, you're gonna
see probably someone liking thisgame from like a seven to eight
out of ten and I think that'slike kind of where the critical
reviews kind of came in.
Uh, it's a different game thanmadden.
It's built in the samefrostbite engine.
There's a lot borrowed frommadden, but it is a different
team, there are differentphysics and it plays differently

(08:52):
, and I think that's really,really cool.
I think they did a really goodjob with the gameplay.
There's some jank.
There's definitely some jank.
Madden has a higher level ofpolish, which is not saying too
much, but I mean they've beenpolishing year over year for the
last 10 years or longer thanthat.
But like man gets shit on da butuh ncaa has been out of the.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
I'm surprised why, I don't know.
I guess I know why.
But like, if they're makingboth the games, like I'm
surprised there's not, I'msurprised they're not more
similar.
If that makes sense, I don'thave anything to base it on
because I haven't played solittle the distinctness is
actually a good thing, though,so like yeah, of course.
Of course, it feels different.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
But um, and then when you get into like the sicko
range, which is I'm like on thedoorstep of sicko range, um,
that's when, like, you get on tolike if you're a peaceful
person you probably shouldn't beon reddit anyway.
But if you are on reddit andyou just are following nice subs
, god bless you.
A lot of my video game subs aresuch like fun, peaceful places,

(09:51):
but uh, I thought the maddensub was the most toxic one I
generally followed and cAA hastaken that by far and it's that
fervent fan base I'm talkingabout, of people who just had
pie in the sky.
They delayed this game by like ayear, like they could have
released it last year, but youknow they wanted to make it good
and all these things, so theyover promise and under delivered

(10:14):
to some degree.
I think that is fair.
Features that were common in thediscs that you held up like oh
three, oh four are not in gamesanymore yeah, yeah and it's like
hilarious man, like stuff likeif you're in a dynasty which I
play, they don't like there'snowhere that tells you who won
the championship every year.

(10:34):
Oh really, I didn't I didn'treally notice that so, like
dudes I've only played onethrough one season, though, so
dudes online, like the sickosI'd be speaking of they like
keep notes in notebooks for liketheir team's stats, because
there's nothing to tell you likestats after a few years so it's
kind of a bummerit is and I agree with those

(10:55):
people.
But like I get onto reddit andlike every day it's just someone
like crying, like typing outparagraphs, and I'm like y'all
should like really get someother hobbies that make you
happy, because I live with theflaws.
I live with the flaws because Istill think it's sick, like I'm
still really happy the game.
I can tell you about some ofthe stuff I really like.
But like these people are like,oh my god, so well for what

(11:18):
it's worth the meta score onmetacriticcom, it's got an 85,
which is pretty good, dude,that's considered.
That's actually very good.
Yeah, right, so that's nine issupposed to be a masterpiece, so
eight is supposed to be likegreat, you know what I mean.
Right, right, so 85, that's.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
That's pretty darn good.
And then you have the user.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Score, though, is mixture average, it's a 5.9 I
like to think fondly of, likethe early 2000s, when ea's like
reputation was just pristine, Imean, like madden was on top of
the world.
The ncaa games are reallypopular.
Nba live had yet to crash, uh,but even more so like ea big,
like ssx.
Tricky rugby ssx tricky thoughI should always tell you.

(11:57):
I'm pretty sure they were makinga skateboarding game.
I could be wrong on that, uh,they might have made skate,
could be wrong, and that doesn'tmatter.
And now, like ever since, likethey used to get the voted as
like everyone's most hatedcompany for like all the star
wars stuff, like the battlefrontgames and all like the loot box
shit, and it's like surethey're making too big man.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
They're just trying to make that money yeah and like
.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
So it's one of those things where it's like I will
continue to play this game.
I probably won't buy mad andI'll probably just play this
game pretty steady, forever andever.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
I'll probably get out here next year.
I'll probably buy next year,you can transfer your teams.
Can't you transfer your likeshit into man, though?
Isn't that like a big part ofit?

Speaker 1 (12:36):
I'm sure there's some small stuff uh I had a good
laugh, something, sometimes thegame even has a discount.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
It's got a discount for the new man game, like
they're like yeah, no, they'vebeen trying to sell them in pair
.
Um dude, I can't like so that'swhat that shit bugs me, though,
if I'm in game, like in a gamethat I just bought, I don't want
an ad for your next game likethat's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
What's worse is when you boot the xbox and you get a
full screen ad before you can doanything to buy one of
microsoft's properties and thenyou go into your game that you
spent 70 on and they're likefull page ad buy our other game.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
I'm like what are we?

Speaker 3 (13:14):
like what is, what do we?

Speaker 2 (13:16):
live in this is.
This may be getting too farahead, but uh, but it's on the
same topic of sorts.
Okay, do you enjoy the factthat during the game it'll be
like presented by discover, likebecause of the realism of it,
or is that annoying to you?
Because to me, I'm like, okay,yeah, I get it like sponsorship
and shit.
Yeah, that's a real life thing.

(13:37):
But like in the game, like whenI see like the halftime show or
whatever it is presented bydiscovered like credit card, I'm
like, fuck, you discover.
You should have just boughtthis game for me then so there
is that.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Uh, I think it's hilarious because sometimes they
use fake ads like they make upcompanies I didn't notice that
in the stadium.
That's like something mlb theshow has done and stuff like
that, but they have real onestoo, right?

Speaker 2 (14:00):
yes, I remember that first happening in 2k and
there's just gatorade everywhereyeah, yeah, I have to imagine
that, like they're taking achunk of cash from those
companies, right, oh yeah theyhad, like your, my career, like
story mode, and you're likebuddies, like, hey, man, hand me
a gatorade.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
They're like, yeah, you know my favorite color, like
orange, and I was like this isgross, dude, that's wild.
But I mean, that's what life is, man?
There's been talks, like youknow, the conference's easiest
example for us is midwest boysis like big 10, which now
includes ucla, uh, usc andoregon, if you didn't know.
So that makes sense, right?

(14:36):
Um, there's been talks that,like a conference might take on
a like sponsorship, so it'll belike tostitos big 12.
Yeah, because there's no like.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Well, they already had like the fiesta bowl and all
that kind of shit.
They're already sponsoring thebowls which was fine.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Uh, yeah, yeah for the bowls, but like yeah a
conference, so that's wild dudewhat's a conference anymore?
So like this isn't a sports pod.
We talk about sports from timeto time but, like you know,
capitalism and college athleticsare just further bastardized
every day.
So do I like the ads in thegame?

(15:18):
Dude, I live in a dystopia.
I can't wait until we have topay for sleep premium where we
don't get fed sleep ads.
So some other like goofy stufflike people are freaking out
about like the simulation logic.
Like you know how they make uprandom fcs schools that you play
.
Yeah, so they're made upschools.
They would like beat alabama inlike week two so they just got a

(15:42):
dummy eye, or whatever yeah, solike your number one ranked
team would be like a four lossalabama, and then right behind
them would be like a one lossteam, and so there's like people
freak out about that one on theinternet.
I don't care I see some thatkind of shit will get like
patched out or there has beenthere has been one big patch,
okay, uh, it accidentally brokesome other stuff, of course and

(16:04):
it's just like yeah, so it'sjust like more.
I my biggest gripe.
I'll get this out of the waybefore.
I'll just explain how much I dolove some stuff, uh, one of my.
So, as a, as a college kid, myfavorite thing to do is build a
program and I'd play as thegophers all the time and I I've
built the gophers up intochampions enough time where I
have zero interest in doing thatanymore dude, I haven't played

(16:26):
this game since what?

Speaker 2 (16:27):
2004?
I said, that's 20 years yeah,no, you're allowed.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
I didn't say you couldn't, I'm just saying, after
10 years, I didn't daydream.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
I bring it up though because, like, even after I did,
I'm doing the dynasty as well,because I'm locked out of some
of the other stuff, because Idon't have, I don't pay for
xboxes, like online shit anymore, yeah, um, which is also kind
of whack, but I I mean it'sbecause you can do, like some,
some stuff with your friends orwhatever.
It's kind of cool, but, uh, Iwould assume it is I don't know,
I can't do it.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
And then it's like other than that it's more the
ultimate team.
They want you buying cards andthey want you shit like that.
Yeah, so but I'm doing the.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
I'm doing the dynasty thing and it's fun.
I've started to figure out therecruiting a little bit and
that's what I did enjoy aboutthese other games, like the
recruitment process is prettycool.
They're like the building thedynasty stuff that you're
talking about is pretty dope.
My lizard brain and just, ohjust scratches my lizard, I'll
be interested to get into alittle bit with that, because we
haven't like discussed it toomuch.
I've like been plugging awayand kind of figuring out my own.

(17:24):
But I'm not like feeling likeI'm doing a super good job and
I've only done one season as theas Minnesota go and go first.
And I bring this up becauseyou're saying how you have like
no time to like continue tobuild out that dynasty, and I I
played probably full games, Iplayed throughout, probably, I
would say, half the season, andthen I started doing the moments

(17:46):
it allows you to play, just themoments of the game or whatever
which is likebecause I ended up being like,
like you say, with the lizardbrain and building out and like
doing the recruiting, like I wasgetting more fulfillment out of
like trying to push thatprocess through than the actual,
like the actual, like game offootball, um, but it's kind of
like playing playing the moments, though kind of fixed that for
me because like, instead offootball.
But playing playing the moments, though kind of fixed that for

(18:07):
me, because like instead of likeputting all this time into a
cause, football games, a longgame dude, and like I don't know
, and it's fun, like, don't getme wrong, I'm not saying like I
played football way back in theday when I was a kid.
Like football's cool, I hadloved watching like football and

(18:30):
shit, whatever this is.
Uh, this is an american podcast.
I'd like to apologize to anybodythinks that alex was tiptoeing
around saying football wasn'tking.
Continue, yeah, for real, uh,but but the thing is I was like,
whereas I can like, dude, I cantear through I don't know four
games of 2k and like be happyand be like whatever, it's like
four games of football, I'm likethat's, it's like long, it's
like a little taxing yeah, sothere's, there's some things.

(18:51):
I, when I want to get through agame faster, I do all offense
instead of key moments, okay,but I, I that's fair, but my
like, when I play defense I onlyplay as the defensive tackle or
uh, and so like occasionally,at the end or the end sometimes
too, but usually just thedefense of tackle and like the
dude uh, shit, it sucks becausehe's got an actual name, it's a
real person and shit I guess,but I don't remember his name
right now.

(19:11):
But uh, he's killing it, dude,he's killing it for the gophers,
like fucking it's fun, you know?

Speaker 3 (19:15):
no, I so my whole thing is I take one of the
shittiest schools in the nationand I try to build them up, but
even before I get them to likethe tippy top, I usually try to
take like a different job offerand then I try to climb the
ladder.
Uh, for a while I was reallyfrustrated and I was like I was
googling it, like hey, what'sgoing on, and then just a flood

(19:37):
of reddit posts came in ofpeople just freaking out about
it.
So I was like, okay, I'm notalone.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Uh, you get no offers , dude, I got a solid offer
right off the bat, but it's it'sinteresting how that process
works, because and that'sanother thing that I thought was
a little weird about this isthat in the off season it's a
little clunky in like lettingyou know, like because you go
week to week, right, so youadvance week by week, and then
it's like okay, so I have joboffers on the first week of the
offseason, or no, it was rightbefore the bowl games that I was

(20:05):
going into.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
It was before the bowl games and the playoffs.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
And they don't carry over.
You have to decide if you'regoing to sign a contract.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
No, they'll hire somebody who offered you and was
it for a coordinator or a headcoach?

Speaker 2 (20:17):
So both but the good offers were in the Big Ten.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
I can in the big 10.
Can't remember who it was.
It was like a solid team,though, but they're on par with
the gophers, like it might havebeen.
Oh, it was, uh was a michiganstate or the wolverines dog.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
If you turned down michigan, you're dead to me.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Hey, michigan, so much dude like fuck them like
it's like your favorite collegebasketball team dude no, it's
not, that's a.
Oh, I thought you were a.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Fab Five guy too.
Okay, no, no, that's I'm old,but I'm not that old, Fair,
Although I did get to go to someof those games because a
co-worker of dad's would hookdad up with the tickets because
he knew that Aaron loved the FabFive, so, like that, carried on
over to me where every once ina while I get to go to to the
Gopher games with dad becausethe dude would hook up those

(21:03):
tickets.
So I got some nice seats towatch that.
But I'm talking about MichiganState.
Like the Wolverines are finedude and I'm pretty sure it was
Michigan State that offered methe job and they're whack dude.
And the reason I hate them isone we have some pretty good
rivalry matches in real life.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
And two like when I was like also hanging out with
dad and I would do that paradething, that like homecoming
football, let's go, yeah, sick,yeah.
A lot of times we would playmichigan state and like I also
had it, but we pounded him.
It was tight oh, let's see.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Well, there's that too, but it was just like the
visceral hate that.
Because I wasn't in college atthe time, I was like I don't
know exactly how probably highschool or whatever.
Um, but dude, the visceral hatethat the college kids had for
this team and I was like, okay,I guess I gotta hate michigan
state.
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Um well, I'm gonna get drunk kids.
It was just like drunk kids,like doing homecoming, so I
don't know.
Two stories now then, so one tofinish my thought.
I took the university of ohioakron zips because I thought
their name being the zips ishilarious.
That is common I took them to anational championship and the
best job offer I got in fouryears was Iowa state.

(22:08):
Oh yeah, so I coach.
Iowa state now.
So I won I'm the first personin history that would ever win a
championship and then move onto Iowa state, so that's been
frustrating.
And then, since I've been toIowa state, my best job offer
was like Oregon state, which wasonce again.
It was on par and I was like solike, not even, not even the
hawkeyes.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Like what is iowa state iowa?

Speaker 3 (22:29):
state's the cyclones.
That's so whack.
Well, they're in the big 12.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Uh, they had better facilities, better academic
prestige so it was a step upfrom the zips I suppose you said
it was the zips or whatever.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
So it's super frustrating and like I've been
reading online like people arelike dude.
I've been like stuck at thisjob forever like no one ever
offers you.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
So like hopefully ea does tinker that because like
yeah, it's so funny becausepeople that's, that's like the
biggest carrot right, like Imean, unless you wanted to make,
build a dynasty and stay therepeople commenting below are like
just start a dynasty as theteam you want to get to, and
they're like that's not thefucking point.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
I want to fucking create my and I'm actually that
nerd too.
I just want to tell a wholestory.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
They don't because can you do a creative?
I don't even know you do acreative player or I know, you
create a coach.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
There's a road to glory, right?
Okay, so?

Speaker 2 (23:17):
I'm not playing, because fuck that shit like
that's like we were talkingabout earlier.
I mean like kudos to you ifthat's your thing, but like it's
fun especially for kids likeyeah, totally, but I prefer like
the dynasty, but like I gottaget out there and recruit
brother.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
I gotta get out there .

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Well, that's just it right and then like so you
actually make your coach in this, so like, if they're gonna have
you do a coach builder, like,then you're like mentally.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Let's talk about the coach builder when you can
choose between a polo or a longsleeve t-shirt what you're
wearing.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
What you're wearing I think it's the long sleeve I
went long sleeve for sure thatpull it, look whack I was like
dude, you already look nerdy.
I made him fat, my guy kind oflike me, so he's a four hundred
five bag no, I'm just kidding,but uh he looked.
He looked so young though I'mlike, oh shit, I'm old man, like
the fucking coach in this gamelooked younger than me, dang so,

(24:04):
like I have all these schools,like florida state has fired
like three coaches.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
Since I've been playing and I'm like dog, let me
be your coach like because canyou?

Speaker 2 (24:14):
can you petition schools like because they have a
job?

Speaker 3 (24:16):
no dude no dude, it's just whether or not they're
interested.
You can have it, but no one'sever.
So that's infuriating, uh.
A quick aside on homecomingparades.
Uh, one that was dope to oneyear.
We were behind the full throttletruck and those guys gave me
like four full throttle energydrinks so loyal for life, let's
go and three one year I wentwith dad and, uh, this guy was

(24:38):
just hammered in line and I'mlike getting a little sody or
some popcorn or something, I'mlike eight, and we bump into the
guy and he goes, oh, I'm sorryman.
He like looks at dad and hegoes oh, you're here with your
son.
I'm like dad's like, yep, youknow, it's pretty cool.
Like I just goes, I'm gonna bea dad pregnant pause, but not
intended.
And then dad goes oh, that'sawesome, congratulations.

(25:00):
The guy goes no, it sucks.
Oh, no, fucking sucks, ballsthat goes back to drinking and
dad and I just died the funniestmoment of my life.
Uh, so to that man and hischild, who's probably 20 years
old now I hope I hope your dadturned it around and is doing.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
I hope you're a fan of the pod man.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
That's wild, so the recruiting is good.
Yeah, uh, I love it.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Is that okay?

Speaker 3 (25:33):
So let me finish my thought Okay, team building and
Madden is my favorite thing.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Football.
I like football games overbasketball games, cause in two K
the games they might go quickand be fun, but like an 80
something game season and likethe rookies aren't very fun to
play with.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
It's like 24.
But you know, whatever I, I feelyou, but like the team building
aspect isn't very rewardingnothing's better nothing's
better than team building inncaa, because it's like so
that's the beauty of it isbecause it's college, right.
So it's like, and you alwayshave an influx of uh of well, I
mean I guess the nba does toobut like it's you got four, five

(26:10):
years with red shirts orwhatever.
So, like there's gonna be thatbuilt-in cycle which, like
that's the cool part about it islike and that what makes the
you know, that whole dynastyaspect of this game so fun yeah,
and uh, I taught.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
I didn't actually teach him, I was familiar with
him.
Uh, at my school he gets agopher right now that's cool and
he transferred and didn't evenlook at my school.
So, uh, fuck you, buddy, if youever visit the school again we
ain't talking dog.
You should you should.
Yeah, dog, he transferred,fucking transfer portal dude, he
hit the transfer portal and hedidn't even want to go to the

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zips and I was like I'm buildingthe gram over here, dude, this
is a program.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Dude, we're killing it but, the gameplay is six.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
The variance is sick like I love the pitches and like
option stuff and I don't knowokay.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
So, granted, I'm, like you know, kind of
neanderthal, like you got a lotof madden under your belt so,
like it took me, it was a longerramp up period for me and I'm
still kind of shit at this game.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Awful at onboarding new players.
That's like a dude gripe.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
It's tough and but the thing is easy mode is
ridiculously easy.
Like I can win a game a hundrednine to zero, like that's.
That's just not fun, it's tooeasy.
And then you go to medium and Iunderstand there's sliders and
stuff and you can tweak it tolike maybe hit the soft spot.
But like you bump up to mediumdude and I have trouble winning
the game.
It's like and granted, youshouldn't have to, like you

(27:32):
shouldn't win all your games.
Like it should be difficult butlike I just feel like the jump
there is not.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
It's just not well balanced uh, I played a gross
amount of madden right over thelast two, three years and I had
to start the game on varsity,which is the second medium the
first medium, I should saysecond overall, yeah.
And then once I like was alittle too good for how young
and not good my akron programwas, I was like, okay, let's

(27:59):
play on all american.
And then there was another jump,and I've heard that the jump
between heisman and all Americanis just too much.
So like right now, I'm prettycomfortable with like I only
beat the shit out of the teamsonce I build my program up but
all.
I catch myself in a dog fight,so like I've found some comfort
in it Once again.

(28:19):
The online sicko communitythey're losing their mind about
it every day and I'm like justgo touch some grass brother,
like maybe find a football andlike toss it with a friend or a
nephew or a niece or something,just like get outside.
You know what I'm saying, butyou know there's and you want to
hear the real capitalism kicker.
So the tutorials and how toplay the game, you know where

(28:45):
all that's found.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
No, because I didn't do any of it.
It's on the Ultimate team.
Oh, the one I can't even play.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
All of the onboarding is set up within ultimate team,
so they want you first thing togo play ultimate team so like.
Their ideal is, a new playershould play the game mode that
requires you to occasionally putin money, or at least you're
most incentivized to so like.
Oh wait it's often.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Which is the one?
Is that the one that's onlineonly, or is that the one that's?
I just haven't played.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
I?

Speaker 2 (29:13):
I think it's mostly to all online and it's like the
card opening stuff yeah, yeah,which you know about me and my
cards, dude, I'd probably bedown with that.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Yeah, but also like, are you gonna be like?
I just got Doug Flutie Woo?

Speaker 2 (29:26):
No, not at all.
If it was the NBA maybe I'd bea little more excited.
Nfl's excited too, likewhatever.
But like yeah, for collegecases it's like probably
historically like historicwhatever who cares about the
fucking semantics behind thecards in this game, but like, uh
, that is in theory it is a coollike you can get like christian

(29:47):
mccaffrey at like stanford andstuff okay like so like ideally,
if you're like a collegefootball fan, like that would be
cool.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
But like you remember how madden way back when you
know, tell me about the wargrandpa remember when madden had
like the little packs of cardsthat you just unlocked and like
you could use them in the game.
But it was just like a funlittle side thing you did yeah
yeah, yeah, that's cool, likethose things are cool and fun
and exciting, but like themonetization feels gross and

(30:14):
like whatever dude.
So when you're recruiting,that's what I want to know about
the recruiting process.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Are you?
How much are you finessing?
Like because you have differentoptions on how you reach out to
players?
Like I have a pretty good ideaof like, or at least I know how
I like to sift through, like myrecruits and whatnot.
But once you have your pool andyou're like reaching out to
like folks like, are you sendingthe house every time?
Are you sending them texts?
Are you reaching out to theirfamilies?
Are you doing a little mix likedoes it, does any of that shit

(30:40):
really matter?

Speaker 3 (30:41):
like I can't tell.
Yeah, it does.
It's like both deep and shallow.
It's a little frustrating, butit's also like if you go a
little too nitty-gritty it'd beinsane yeah um, but essentially
you have these.
First of all, we didn't mentionit when we were roasting the
coach builder.
Thank you, my lady.
There's some wine drop off.
You know it's low five latenight.

(31:02):
We might be talking meatheadfootball, but I'd be drinking
white wine.
I'm a man of culture, no, thecoach, we were roasting the
coach builder, and how stupid itis.
There are some RPG elements toit, which I think is fun.
Yeah, that part's kind of coolfirst of all.
Like you just go to recruiterright away, it makes it way
easier.

(31:22):
The other ones have benefits,but the recruiters by far, but
that's not what I'm doing.
I'm doing what you do, do you domotivator or tactician
motivator, that's like okay, butthe recruiter just get over
there.
Um what?
The only thing I can'tdistinguish and they're not
super clear on is, like, if,like so you have a certain

(31:43):
amount of allotment of, theycall hours and these actions
cost hours I don't understandhow's the bank actually?

Speaker 2 (31:49):
or sometimes, like I have extra hours but it'll tell
me that I can't do somethingbecause I've already expended
the amount of like it's.
I don't have any resources, butresources.
But I have to assume thatyou're allotted a certain amount
of hours per each recruiter too.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Yeah, so that's in the top right of like, next to
like, where the player stats are.
So like, at base level you canallot 50 hours a week to a
player, but under recruiter youcan get up to like 75, 80 hours,
so you can send the house andreach out to friends and family.
Yeah, the one thing I'm not 100clear on is you have a progress
bar of how you're recruiting arecruit.
Yep, sending the house willspend the most influence of

(32:23):
everything.
Yeah, that's the best way to doit.
Adding to it is good.
What I can't tell is if youneed to keep it on them every
week.
I didn't even know you couldtake it off.
You can't.
Yeah, you can and you should,because it doesn't always have
it like crests as how effectiveit is and then, once you get to
know what the player's into, solike a player will be like hey,

(32:45):
it really matters to me, uh,that you have a winning program,
a championship contender, right?
Some players don't give a shitabout that, they're just like
hey, I want a school with a goodatmosphere.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (32:55):
go wildcats go university of arizona go to
university of wisconsin.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Some of them they really want like academic
prestige.
They all kind of have a set ofthings.
So it's kind of cool likesometimes like I'm trying to get
a recruit but like they're fromflorida and I'm iowa state and
they're like I want to be closeto home but I actually get a ton
of sick recruits from florida.
So that's not a good example,but the point.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah, that's cool that you can choose your
pipeline when you build up thecoach.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Like, yeah, my dumb ass like, wanted to be realistic
and chose Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
What a garbage pipeline dude, I have mine
coming in from like Georgia orsomething like that or like
somewhere in the south.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
My assistants have like some good ones, so I still
figured it out.
But yeah, and then you doactions that get that player
more and more interested in you,and then fucking no, you can do
hard sell and saw sales yep,and that's what you know.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
You can't couple those with the house at least I
can't couple them with the houseand, like you, you get to know
what they're into.
You have to take that off, soyou have the whole.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Yeah, you have to take that off, so you have the
proper allotment and you can'tbank hours, use them in a week.
So your week basically startsas you do all your recruiting
and then you play your gameright on and then you advance.
So word um, I love it, thoughit's it's.
Some have said it's directlycompared it's better than 14.
They could do some tweaking,but I think it's pretty sick.

(34:11):
You've been playing somedynasty.
Do you do the option plays?
Do you do the whole collegeexperience?

Speaker 2 (34:33):
I'm glad you brought this up because beyond so
anybody tuning into this that'slike an ncaa expert is gonna be
like what the hell is with theseboys?
Luke is our expert.
I am very much a noob, you know, even though I've probably put
like 30 hours into this game,maybe a little less, maybe 20,
not sure.
I have to look at the times.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
I put enough.
Put like 12 to 15 did you?

Speaker 2 (34:54):
are you just saying that, or you did last time I?

Speaker 3 (34:56):
checked was like a few days ago, but don't look at
mine and definitely don't say itout loud.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Okay.
Well, in that case, like I betyou, it's gotta be 15 to 20 by
now, because it's the only gameI've been playing.
Like really like there's a, withsome exceptions, but like my
game time has been this game soI still haven't figured out like
okay, you just gave me somenice knowledge about the
recruiting process that I lookforward to.
Like applying some of thatstuff I'm still a little

(35:23):
confused about how it all worksbut like being able to take away
those like send the house hoursand like pivot towards some
other options like make sense.
The other major thing that Idon't quite understand is well,
I understand the option, but theRPOpo plays the run pass or
option plays like still confusethe shit out of me.
And even some of the uh, theplay action plays.

(35:47):
I'm not entirely sure if I'dlike I feel like play action,
like I feel like I thought Ifigured it out and then I feel
like sometimes it just doesn'twork right.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
It does the opposite of what I think I mean sometimes
you're just gonna get fucked upby the defense and just do be
like that yeah um with the rposrun pass options.
Those madden as, like collegecoaches, made it to the nfl.
The nfl has kind of broadened,it's kind of eased the burden on
some quarterbacks.
That has been an ongoing trendand ongoing popularity.

(36:17):
So like through those gamesover the last 10 years I've
gotten pretty familiar.
But like, basically the longand short of it is you need to
make your decision instantly,like you need to look at, you
need to look at how the defenseis lined up and then you need to
immediately look at how theyrespond and make that decision
within a second or two or else Ithink I'm a college quarterback

(36:37):
.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
I can't do that.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
You can, but it does take some practice.
What has driven me insane to noend is the fact that EA makes
both of these games and inMadden, during an option, you
hand it to the quarter or therunning back, or you keep it.
In Madden, you press A to handit to the running back.
In NCAA you press A to hold onto it right.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
So I've gotten smoked like a hundred times, I swear.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
Sometimes it still does the opposite, though, like
yeah sometimes the controllersare just it's your input also
like I'll forever just be aplaystation boy who gave up on
playstation and just playingxbox, so sometimes I'll just
grip it to x and I'll throw itto the wrong thing and I'm like
you know, or I'd be fucking thatshit up.
Yeah, uh, growing up with theplaystation.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
It's just like those symbols are just ingrained in my
mind.
And plus, we played, we fuckwith nintendo too.
So like I'm always like tryingto quick like remember b or a or
x or y, if they like what sidethey're on.
So I'll like, I'll be so likeI'll have a receiver like x will
be wide open.
I'll be like fuck yeah, andthen I'll hit it, and then it'll
be like oh shit man.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Like that was like I went to the wrong dude.
No, doubt.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
So I like I love running a pitch play on the goal
line, just.
Oh man, it works so good, dudewhat are the plays?

Speaker 2 (37:53):
what they're there?
They're technically passes, butyou bring a receiver into
motion or whatever.
And brother?

Speaker 3 (37:58):
the jet sweeps brother sweet dog, they're all
powered.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
They got nerfed they got nerfed.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
People were writing poems on this is why I love
reddit, because, like, it's justthose sickos I made fun of.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
And then there's, like my sweet child, the jet
sweep I miss you.
Uh, no, I use those all thetime and like that's how college
is.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
You know, there's, there's lots of motions, lots of
pitches.
That's what I love about thisgame, though, and granted, like
I haven't figured out the sweetspot of now that I do, now that
I've been doing moments orwhatever, I've gone back to
medium instead of easy, but,like the, it is.
Regardless of, like the levelof difficulty, there's still

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explosive plays, and that'swhat's always been cool about
NCAA football is that, just likecollege, there's a certain
element of explosiveness that Idon't think happens quite as
much in college, because youhave such an emphasis on the
option or like some trick orchicanery or whatever you know
and like there's that, andthere's also wild variants and

(39:00):
abilities, so like, exactly so,like you're gonna get a db that
just fucking slow as hell.
And then you've got some kidthat's like running, and I think
this game I've actually seenonline that like that is kind of
broken a little bit, where ifyou got some dude with like some
massive speed, like he'll justburn speed.
Speed's a huge safety every timeyou know speeds a huge thing,
like I look for that in myrecruits um and like when I was,

(39:22):
I just tried to like hit thetop recruits that have a gem,
versus like the x out for surelike I take the best I can get,
but if they have like a 97 speed, like I got a little boner and
I try a little harder, oh yeah,okay, um.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
But like when I was at akron I was playing in the
mac conference, so like Irecruited so well, I was there
for four years and I won thechampionship on the fourth year
and then moved to iowa the next.
So like by the fourth year Ibuilt them up to like a 90
overall program pretty good howmany?

Speaker 1 (39:53):
stars they give you five stars.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
I think it was a four star I think it was a four star
school that it was a four starschool but like.
What had happened is that, likethe other max schools, like some
were like to 80, some even like82 83 overall, but I was
playing like 75 77 overallschools and I was just beating
the dog piss on.
It wasn't any fun.

(40:16):
So at least now that I'm in thebig 12 iowa state's not a
football powerhouse, but like atleast.
Like I'm playing against likevirginia yeah, for iowa that's a
deep cut.
Uh, for just an audience of twoum amen, yeah I'm at least like
playing like you know, oklahomastate and like west virginia and

(40:40):
like real football programswith some history.
But god, I just want a blueblood to fucking, fucking sweep
me off my feet and I'm gettingreal tired of just like blue
chip.
It's a blue blood program, ohweird okay like the blue bloods,
like I wanted or even like alike man, I want a championship
dog.
I'm, I'm a, I'm a coach dude,come on, come on.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Do you still want to answer my question?
So you did answer as a part ofmy question, but what's up with
the RPO plays Like I can'tfigure them out.
So you're just saying you haveto decide right away whether
you're going to do?

Speaker 3 (41:10):
You automatically hand off the ball.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Basically as a pass you have one read, and if that
one read is looking murky youbetter really hope that run play
works well.
So it kind of fools the defense.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
So the RPOs, you automatically are going to the
running back for a run play.
Unless what you hold A and thenit goes.
That's what I don't understand.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Well, there's some where you have a receiver doing
a little bubble, a little bubblescreen, and see, I don't even
run these plays because I lookat them Like I don't understand.
They're pretty fucking they'repretty fucking sick If you have
a fast quarterback.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Well, that's what you're doing, yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
So, like this is, it'll be visual.
It's just cause this has beenbothering Alex via text for a
while now.
So here's my receiver.
He does that little dip bubblescreen.
I see if the cornerback followshim it's dead.
Okay then, like, if thequarterback follows him and the
option read is crashing in, thenyou just hold a and then you
run with the quarterback.
So like you have threedifferent things to think of on

(42:10):
that play.
That's why, like every timebefore I do it, I hold r2 and I
just look at who's like the readand who's the pitch or whatever
, and and I just like stare atit for a second, I go yeah this
guy does this pass and if thatguy does this run and then like
it gets, I get fucked up.
I run it like six times a gameroughly and I do it correctly

(42:30):
like three to four.
And I get fucked up once ortwice beyond my size.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
There's a reason I played online.
I had my assignment, I fuckingdid my assignment for each play
and I didn't have to do all thisfucking reading unless, like
you know, I saw like the onlyreading I had to do is like if
the fucking like linebacker wascrashing in on us and you had to
fucking share a block.
But, dude, like that's a lot.
That's a lot for my advice.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
My advice is to favorite plays and then like
because the the new way of theland is to do, the coach
suggested okay, but sometimesthe coach suggestion sucks or
you just naturally have a levelof comfort with certain plays.
So it's like it's fourth andone, you know third and two,
whatever it is, and you like,you're like I gotta get a few

(43:18):
yards, like I have to dosomething I'm comfortable with.
Then you go over to yourfavorites and you you know fuck
around, so all right man yeah, Ilove the game dude.
Uh, there's some things that Ihate about it, but, like it, ea
did enough, I think, for thateight that they get if we're
talking about.
If I had to post a user scoreon something, I would not take

(43:40):
any grievances.
I would give it like a seven oran eight If they continue to
work on stuff and like no, wegot to go to five.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
So are you going to go?
Are you giving this game?
Are you maximizing yourcollegiate experience?
And you're going?
Red shirt, five years.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Or what's what's redshirt five years?
Or what's what?
Is that what you do in fiveyears?
Redshirt?
Maybe I'm opting out, dude, I'mgoing to the draft because
what's actually cool is, likeyour recruits don't want to go
to your school if, like, none ofyour players ever get drafted.
Yeah, so it's actually kind ofnice sometimes when your players
, like, leave early to getdrafted.
You're like fucking broski.
Fourth round.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Yeah yeah, playtime's a big deal for a lot of those.
I've noticed a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
That's a little thing that's a little broken because
it's like, okay, not not evenactual playtime, it's more like
your depth chart.
So like, oh, okay, I had aquarterback that said he was
going to transfer all season.
I was he's for playtime.
I'm like, bitch, you'restarting, but there's like
another dude on the team thatwas better than him.
So, oh, I see.
So there's like stuff, there'sfour out stuff, so you're giving
it a four out of five.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Four years out of five Yep.
That's tight, dude.
I'm giving it a three.
I'm doing three.
I think if I was better I mightgive it higher.
You got a softer spot for thefoosball games in general.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
I think it's my lizard brain of choice for video
games.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
But I see that though , and the recruiting that they
add this like.
So this game I would play overmadden all day.
I'm glad I have this.
Yeah, yeah, like you know, Ithink that you know for me I'm
not anti-madden, like I'vedabbled in a little bit.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Here's a real question a bunch of time into.
Yeah, will you watch a collegefootball game this year
follow-up?
Will you watch a non-gophergame this year?

Speaker 2 (45:21):
no, okay no, probably not.
Uh, like yeah, but like youknow, it's like I'll probably go
to a game or at least likewatch one, especially if they
hit a bowl.
But no, for me, this game likeI don't really just like back in
the day, when they didn't havenames attached, I think it's

(45:41):
cool dude, and we didn't reallylike go into the detail on that.
But like it's now the kids aregetting paid to like which they
should be like for, like ifthey're playing the sports, that
kind of crap more importantly,a free copy of the game.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
That would have been so cool to me as a kid.
What's the physical.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
what's the physical amount?
Again, you told me this it'slike $600 or something $600 and
a copy of the game.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
You know how much beer that could buy an offensive
lineman at the University ofAkron?

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Dude, it's a decent amount these days, with
inflation, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
He's like hey, baby girl, you see that second string
quarterback, that's me.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
I do wonder how close .
I haven't spent any time to seelike how good of a job they did
on like the lightness ofeverybody and that kind of stuff
.
But I have to assume that itwas you know the game looks good
dude.
I will say, my biggest problem,though, is the fucking like.
You made some jokes at the headof this, but like the drum line
stuff, it's too repetitive.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Man like, I don't have anything against drum line,
but we need some extra fuckingtracks, dude it's my favorite
meme of it's just like me afterspending an hour in the
recruiting screen and it's likethe dude's face and it's a bunch
of like drums and bells andthings like faded in uh, I have
to say this, though I got to theuser journey packs.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
By the way, you get about 30 30 cases of beer yeah,
this is 30 racks of hams.
Let's go uh specifically inthat good 20 cases u of m
players 30 racks of ham brothersuh the auto generation.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
The names are hilarious.
I love when people are postingnames.
Someone had a jeffrey epstein.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
That's awesome oh, dude, you hit me with that meme
of uh, george bush, george.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
Yeah, that was pretty five star out of Texas.
That's immaculate dude.
I'd die if you committed to myschool.
That's awesome, that's so funny.
I went, so it was all usergenerated and the faces are user
generated.
But I went to Iowa State and myquarterback was a white dude
with white hair and a whitebeard and my running back was an

(47:38):
old looking white dude with awhite goatee and I was like what
geriatric fucking backfield doI have?
It's funny, it's like theauto-generated shit Silly as
hell Like you have all thesecollege kids with like full
beards and like grays and it'sjust so funny dude, dude.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
So we're we're a dude , something that I think's gone.
I told you, or you know, I'vebeen playing as the gophers or
whatever.
I'm so tired of playing athunting and bake stadium like
it's just like not.
I mean, it's like a coolstadium in real life and it's,
but compared to some of theseother programs, like it's just
not where I want it to be.
So that's another part of mylike fatigue on this thing, but
the the point I want to bring uphere, though, is I respect the

(48:17):
amount of diversity that EA hassprinkled into the crowd,
because, dude, I'm just going tobe straight with folks like
University of Minnesota, I got awhole bunch of white folks like
him.
Like I'm like, look at this.
Like we got some diversity intime.
I love it.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
I like how cursed like the screaming fans look too
, it's like Birdo.
Like also in their mouths too.
It's like Birdo Also theirmouth's open.
It's like Birdo.
It's like.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Birdo.
So I've only played as thegophers.
So I got to know, with theanimations, with your mascots,
do they all do the fucking headspin thing?
Is it the same, or is that justa Goldie thing?

Speaker 3 (48:52):
I think there's probably some select programs.
A lot of that stuff isrepetitive or stupid and some of
it's cool.
Uh, I'm just ripping through itbecause I'm a little too lizard
braining through it.
But that's one of the reasonsthat I hated like, even though
my program was getting sick, Ihated playing at akron because,
like I scheduled an away game atfucking alabama.
I was like, oh my god, this isso fucking cool.

(49:13):
Like that's why I'm trying toget to like one of those time
programs, because, like that'scool that you can do the
scheduling and stuff like that.
I appreciate.
That's why I'm trying to get toone of those type programs.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
That is cool that you can do the scheduling and stuff
like that.
I appreciate it.
That's a real thing in reallife.
They make those schedules andshit.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
There's some stuff with that too.
I will be watching some college.
I'm very hyped for some random.
Really funny is I got a buddyat work that I'm playing we play
a lot and we talk about it fromtime to time and he took
another mac school you playedagainst each other.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
You don't have the.
No, we don't.
We don't do the online dynasty.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Uh, if he wants to get smacked up, get at me.
I was like I was texting himthe other day because he was
playing as a different macschool in his dynasty.
I was like, dog, we need to gettogether for the mac
championship this year, dude.
He's like go to a mac bar.
I was like, nah, dog, we'redriving to fucking detroit, dude
that would be fun, dude.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
If I gonna, I will say that, like some of the dudes
, some of the old homies thatI've got that follow on social
media and stuff that I know arereally loving this game, which
you know respect, like they gottheir whole crew like doing the,
doing the online thing, likelike you used to do with men, so
with some of the homies orwhatever yeah, if I, I would do
it, but man, especially if wewere fighting over a recruit, I

(50:17):
think things would get prettyevil, see, but that's just that
I mean yeah, totally, but that'sjust like that does sound fun,
though, you know.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Yeah, no, for sure, so yeah that's really that's a
really cool option.
That's like probably one of theonly things that, like in the
modern era, you can really hithome harder.
I don't know.
I really hope that this is areally solid first showing and
that they build and listen tonot all of the sickos like
you're never going to make themhappy, but like really just keep

(50:45):
trying to improve the breadthand depth of some of these modes
and I it could be could be anawesome game, dude right, um, so
you gave it a four, four orfive, I get a three or five.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
I think the recommendation goes.
I think if you've beenlistening you probably figured
that out for yourself.
But if you're a collegefootball sicko, 100% go for it.
If you love Madden, if you lovefootball games, sports games if
you've got a soft spot for NCAAfrom the previous ones,
obviously send it.
If you're sick of Madden andyou want to have another

(51:17):
football flavor, send it if you.
If that like building thedynasty thing is intriguing, I
think for sure, and also the rpgmechanics of the coach, like I
think that's cool.
It was interesting to me liketraditionally dude, like I don't
, like I'll, I'll do, like for2k, like I could care less about
my like trades and like,whereas you get into that kind
of shit, or, like you know, inthis, like I actually cared more

(51:40):
about trying to find myrecruits than I did playing the
actual game I was like but howare my young men doing in class?
dude, there's some solid memesaround, like the college
experience and the play in thisgame, which is kind of fun.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
It's awesome there was one meme that was from the
red Reddit this morning or maybeyesterday, and I was just like
I think it was 04.
You used to in your road toglory mode you used to have like
a girlfriend, nice and like,depending on how good you are,
like how hot quote unquote yourgirlfriend was and it was like
bring back girlfriends, youcowards.
And I just think that featurewould never fly today.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Like you could never.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
And that just makes the fact that they did that back
in the day so funny.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
We live in a ridiculous world.
All right Well, with that man,let's take a little break.
Come back for our unsearchedsponsor.
Hit me with it yo.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
This month is unofficially brought to you in
part by pancakes.
You have a long-going theme ofjust appreciating breakfasts.
I like breakfast do?
We just do we just record ondays where breakfast is hitting
a little harder it's the mostimportant meal of the day, bro.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
We didn't just, we haven't just, we haven't been
unofficially brought to peopleby just breakfast like we've
been brought to people bygrilling.
I mean, bacon's not just abreakfast food, bro, it's bacon
all the time you can have true,but you had bacon.
Fire blts lately, that was adinner.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Did you have coffee and muffins one day?
What was that back then?
I mean?

Speaker 2 (53:21):
yeah, pastries and coffee.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Pastries and coffee.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
It was definitely brought to us, you know, but
you're trying to derail pancakesdude and.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
I just want to say Go off, King.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Specifically, I want to say specifically Lip those.
I want to say homemadeflapjacks, like, not just your
fucking like little box full ofsome powder mix that you like
bought at the store.
I'm talking about very simple,very delicious homemade pancakes
, dude, and this is easy to doOne cup all purpose flour, two
tablespoons of sugar, quarterteaspoon of salt, three quarter

(53:54):
cup of milk I prefer puttingsome cream in there.
Betty Crocker, this bitch,let's go you know you could do
two eggs, I just do one egg.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Al puts breast milk in there.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
He winked at me.
So I do one egg, twotablespoons melted butter, one
teaspoon of vanilla extract, andthen here's a little tip for
y'all you put just like atablespoon of lemon juice in
there to kind of sour the milk alittle bit.
That's what's up.
And then you got to cook thatyou know.

(54:25):
Oh, by the way, you keep allyour dries together in one bowl,
all the wets in the other bowl.
Then you mix them together,slowly, get that batter.
Don't make it too, don't make it, you know, not too lumpy, but
not too smooth either.
And then, once you got thatgoing, bro, you hit that pan
which you got your butter onthere melted.
But you want to do that about amedium heat.
That's the thing people try anddo, that shit too hot.

(54:48):
You got to bring that mediumheat, start to bubble on top.
You flip those over, oh, dude,hit the other side about two
minutes, roughly fuckingdelicious, bro, and it's easy.
Those Basically flour, sugar,milk, egg and vanilla extract.
And if you got that lemon juice, oh, I don't think I mentioned

(55:08):
I fuck with not baking powderfor baking soda.
So you got to do a little lessof that shit.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Al's going to have his recipe in the show notes.
I will put my recipe in theshow notes.
I have an omission.
I have an omission to make.
I'm the primary cook of myhousehold.
You never make pancakes, maybeonce See, but the wife does.
I don't like, I don't dislikepancakes but I've never woken up

(55:41):
being like I want pancakes but,if my wife wants pancakes, I
like that she's making mebreakfast, so like I'll handle
the sausages or something.
Uh, you gotta have all of thesyrup and buttery melted butter
syrup pool into your bacon andor sausage.
It's a pretty key experiencefor me for this whole and I love

(56:02):
some fresh fruit on there aswell.
So I never ordered pancakes ata restaurant.
I mean, I have, but like I'dspend 20 years.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Here's the.
Here's the thing, dude, and I'mgoing to bring this pancake
thing to the next level.
Homemade pancakes, of course.
Here's the thing, dude.
I'm going to bring this pancakething to the next level
Homemade pancakes, of course,unofficially brought to you in
part by homemade pancakes.
I gave you a little recipe,told you how to fucking do it.
Just take care of business.
It's a delicious treat in themorning and it's oh my god I'm
not going to lie, dude it'spretty affordable.
Aside from the point is beyondhousehold pancakes, because I'm

(56:35):
like you, I don't want to.
I don't want to order a stackat the restaurant for my meal,
bro.
That's not what I do.
What I like to do, though, is Ilike to get that side of
pancake.
So if I can get like oneflapjack like, just add a
flapjack to my fucking deal thenI can split that with whomever
I'm with, and if I'm with mybaby, then he gets to eat some
pancake too.

(56:55):
He loved, loved pancakes, yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
Yeah, that's true.
Uh, toddlers and pancakes, liketoddlers at a restaurant.
You're like how about thegrilled cheese?
They don't touch it.
The chicken nuggets, sorta notreally.
Just the French fries pancakes,they'll fuck them up.
So it's actually big.
It takes a long ass time to getthrough it too, so it's pretty
tight sometimes like my boybiggie, like he get that pancake

(57:17):
.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Dad might sneak him a little bit, a little bit of
syrup on that pancake, but heusually in a dry pancake.
He's still about it, dude.
He's still about it.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
You don't know he doesn't need to know, that's
right.
He doesn't even know somepeople be giving their kids the
sugar.
I'm like wait a minute now theythink this other stuff tastes
good.
Don't let them know, that's assyeah, I'd be.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
I'd be sneaky though, but I'll do like because I
don't like it's like I say dry,but like.
I'll also like I'll take twopancakes, right, if I'm doing
back to the homemade shit, andI'll put butter when they're,
when they come off the fryingpan.
I'll put butter on top and thenI'll put the second one on
there.
So the better melts on the two.
Yeah, and then and then, andthen you flip it over.
For me, yeah, but for my boy,like, I'll cut one in half,

(57:59):
because he doesn't need a wholepancake.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
So I'll cut one in half and then I'll give that to
him.
But he got a little.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
I mean I love him.
He just like you know hedoesn't need all at once, so
he'll get a little butter onthat hell yeah side question.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
I am fully addicted to.
Ncaa.
So okay, playing video gameshasn't happened too much, that
isn't that.
So I'll be real quick.
Uh, hades 2 Jesus Christ dudeplayed it in front of one of my
buddies, shouts out tyler,what's up, baby girl?
And he was willing to watch it.
And then my other buddy, who'sanother hades fan, is like I

(58:45):
don't even want to see itbecause he's bitter and he
doesn't want any of it spoiled.
So that game.
I can't wait for that game yeah, that's me for everybody.
Yeah, but like if I was at yourhouse you'd watch.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
No, uh, maybe I don't .
I don't want to, I don't wantto know any of the story stuff.
I'd like to see how it works.
Oh the gameplay six.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
That's been fun.
I've been playing a tiny bit ofthat.
I'm playing a tiniest bit ofratcheting clank, but I've been
reading a book from my locallibrary and it's called the
samurai and the prisoner.
Okay, it is cool.
I don't read mystery stuff.
It was on the end shelf ofsuggestions so I was like I

(59:23):
guess because I didn't go to thelibrary prepared and it's been
really cool.
I take it dude, Recommendwhat's up what you got.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
I have been playing a little bit of Gunbrella.
I picked up Gunbrella andGunbrella, the Devolver Digital
Joint shout out Devolver.
You probably should haveofficially sponsored us at some
point in time, but it's tight,dude, it's like the type of game
that I really like.
It's like that side-scrolling2D platformer slash, a little
bit of shooter thing going on.
It's been cool.

(59:53):
I've been playing that and it'suh, it's been cool, I've been
playing that.
And then I mean just likelittle pitter patter of like
plugging through control.
Still, uh, children of the sunis another game that I picked up
that I like thought would becool and honestly it's, it's.
I don't like it.
It's like the first time I'veever been on the pod and been
like nah, game's not for me.

(01:00:13):
It's just like.
It's not like everything on theoutside looking in, like
granted, I didn't watch a bunch,I should have watched more
gameplay, but it's like.
It's a little like and I'm notanti-violence or anything, but
it's just like.
It's a little too over the topin terms of like the like, the
repetitive violence and like thewhole mechanic of like.
What you do is you shoot andyou have to find the line, the,

(01:00:33):
the gun like ricochets orwhatever it doesn't ricochet,
but you, it like changes lineand you but you like basically
have to kill everybody in oneshot.
Uh, you'll shoot, and then youchange direction, you like time
slows and then you go to thenext one, next one, but, and
it's like a super gruesome shot,which is all fine, but the
thing is you have to do it overand over again, so it's just
like a little too much in myopinion, like for me anyways, if

(01:00:55):
that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
I'm just like this wasn't published by devolver.
Would you have bought it?

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
uh, probably, maybe it was like triple click, which
is a podcast I listened to atthe time like, uh, one of the
dudes down there was talkingabout it and he was like saying
it was pretty.
He did say it was prettyviolent, but he was like, uh,
what's his, what's his name?
Kirk, kirk, kirk was, kirk waslike you know, he was lauding it
a little bit so I was like, oh,you know, I'll check it out.
Uh, because I like the, thecover art and stuff like it does

(01:01:23):
look cool.
It's intriguing to me and I gotit for cheap too, so it's
whatever it looks like it couldbe a cool pc game.
Yeah, I've been playing on the,the steam cbd and like it's just
, it's not for me, man.
I played like it's like apuzzler of sorts, but like
because it's like so gruesomelyviolent, like you you know, it's
like these headshots which,like, I'm fine with the headshot
dude, like whatever, but likeif you you know, but like I

(01:01:45):
don't know.
That's the core loop, it getsrepetitive right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
Is this too much?
It's weird being an adult andlike you don't have to beat the
game if you don't want to,unless you're doing a podcast
and you're like God damn it, Igotta beat this game Like the
Star Wars game I was playing.
It was fucking sick, but I wasjust like yeah.
Yeah totally I was like, eh,it's cool, maybe I'll come back
to it.
And then I was playingBorderlands.
I'm going to go see the moviewith.

(01:02:11):
Ace Boing boing, good, but theinternet tells me it's not.
But you know what's fun, it'sprobably good, it'll be cool,
dude, dude, if you, if you'reespecially, if you know, or
lands like I bet you'll be.
I don't know a ton, I've playedthe games, but I play them with
the like a podcast playing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
I don't fucking listen what's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
I was like shooting uh, dude, I like a good shitty
movie as long as the company'sgood and the action was
occasionally good.
So you know, maybe, if I canremember, next time we record
I'll report back.
But I'm pretty protective ofvideo game movies because I did
them bad for so long that I'mlike afraid that they're doing
too much and they're doing tooweird of selections.

(01:02:46):
Like I would love to be in amovie exec and be like you're
going to make this game.
Yeah, they're like.
Yeah, I'm like Twisted Metaland they're like yeah, and I'm
like no one's played one ofthose since, like 2002 on the
playstation one I did.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
I would like to watch this middle.
I don't have that streamingservice anymore, but paramount,
hey, paramount plus.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Yeah, yeah, no, I just got peacock for the
olympics.
I don't know the differenceanymore but fucking olympics
dude.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Uh, so my other I mean huge side quest for me in
the olympics.
I watched a shit ton ofolympics dude.
Uh, so my other I mean hugeside quest for me been the
olympics.
I watched a shit ton ofolympics dude.
Fucking all, almost all themen's basketball, about half of
the ladies basketball, a bunchof random events, gymnastics you
gotta watch for sure, likeolympics has been great
gymnastics is.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
I wish I would have watched, made time for the
skateboarding, but uh, thegymnastics is probably my
highlight and it was probablythe coolest thing I saw, right,
on.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
But yeah, dude, mostly Olympics.
Honestly, A little bit of thatumbrella and then NCAA football.
When I'm playing, that's whatI'm playing Summertime doggie.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Summertime for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Let me tell you this though we got a mailbag we got
to dig into real quick, bro.
So here's the deal.
Last episode we asked folkstext us.
If you hit the show notes, youcan send us a text.
We'll read it on the next pod.
Wanted to know what peoplethought about luke's take on
tetris being the goat and I'mgonna run through those real
quick.
You ready, dude, unfortunately.
Yeah, here we go.
This first one from a listenerin Minneapolis, minnesota, luke

(01:04:16):
Zahn, one Tetris, overeverything that might have came
from my phone number.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
I don't know.
I was about to say that soundsjust like you.
The rest of these are not forme.
Oh, so it really was you, pieceof shit.
Continue.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Let's feel the Illinois Tetris is the GOAT.
That's why it's been ported toso many systems and with so many
variants.
So there you go, bro,springfield, missouri.
Tetris is the only perfectvideo game.
Heart, josh I think that mightbe from the Still Loading
podcast, josh.
I'm not 100% on that, but ifthat is, check out that podcast,

(01:04:55):
josh.
And if it was not, that joshfucking josh is tight because
he's correct, plug it.
Uh, new york.
New york.
Tetris is definitely one of thegreatest games of all time, not
number one, but it's up there.
Ignore the fact that I'll be 41in october.
I don't want to hear any ofluke sass on this one he needs
to respect his elders there'sthe truth which I agree.

(01:05:17):
Fuck that shit luke, yeah, allright here's this one from 40
golden valley, minnesota.
The peanut butter and jellysandwich analogy works.
Tetris is great, slash awesome,but is the pb and j of gaming?
Leave it off the list.
That's for michael from bits oftime, another great podcast.
Uh, I think michael agreed withme, but also didn't agree with

(01:05:40):
me at the same time, so that'spretty proud of that pb and jane
allergy, so at least he dabbedme up on that.
I'll take that as a doubt shoutout to bits of time and mike
that's, that's tight and uh, I'mjust gonna say no, I'm gonna
say that's a, that's a draw, bro, we're gonna give that.
They're gonna have a draw,because I want to pretty heavily
outweighed here.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
So I'm just gonna go ahead and say it was a dub.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
This one comes in from dilute minnesota.
I agree with alex's tetris take, though it's not in my top 10.
Yes, luke, I'm over 40, so youknow we got some heads coming in
telling you there's a businessand that's just the way it's
gonna be, bro.
Okay, this one actually hit usup three times in a row.
Tetris is better than luke'sopinions.

(01:06:20):
That was the first text.
Totk better than botw.
Nostalgia, for a first time, isoverplayed out with you foos
plus no portal on your list.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
It's ridiculous tyler , you're a butt fuck dude.
You played breath of the wildthree times.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Get at me, you little bitch and then, roughly 13 days
later, he came in with newnumber who dis ah yes,
nonetheless, I like it.
See, the people know.
The people know that I amcorrect.
The people know, if you head tolow5gamingcom, there is an

(01:07:02):
invitation to join our discord.
Join us up in there talkingvideo games, life, all that
other fun stuff.
If you haven't given us arating already, hit us with five
stars.
Yo, we'd appreciate it.
It really helps a lot and withthat, till next time, I'd say
bye to luke, but our recordinggot cut off, so I'm doing this
last bit by myself love y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
peace, greg.
Greg, what is the worstfraternity on this campus?
That would be hard to say, sir.
They reach out standing intheir own way and Cut the
horseshit.
Son, I got the disciplinaryfiles right here.
Who dumped a whole truckload offizzies into the swim meet?

(01:08:21):
Who delivered the medicalschool cadavers to the alumni
dinner?
Every Halloween, the trees arefilled with underwear.
Every spring, the toiletsexplode.
You're talking about Delta, sir.
Of course I'm talking aboutDelta, you twerp.
This year it's going to bedifferent.

(01:08:43):
This year we're going to grabthe bull by the balls and kick
those punks off campus.
What do you intend to do, sir?
Delta's already on probation.
They are, yes, sir.
Oh, then, as of this moment,they're on double secret
probation.
Double secret probation, sir.

(01:09:04):
There is a little-known codicilin the Faber College
Constitution which gives thedean unlimited power to preserve
order in time of campusemergency.
Find me a way to revoke Delta'scharter.
You live next door.
Put Niedermeyer on it.
He's a sneaky little shit, justlike you right.

(01:09:26):
The time has come for someoneto put his foot down, and that
foot is me.