November 10, 2025 • 37 mins
The saga concludes! Abby and Alan continue with their deep dive into the Friday the 13th horror franchise with the final four movies; Jason Goes to Hell, Jason X, Freddy vs Jason and the Friday the 13th reboot from 2009.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:18):
Hello, everybody, and welcome back to another
episode of the Lunatics RadioHour Podcast.
My name is Abby Brinker, and Iam sitting here with Alan Kudin.
Hello.
And we have to say we're sorry.
This was meant to be ourHalloween special, but we got
married and things got away fromus a little bit.
SPEAKER_01 (00:38):
I I tried to push the wedding and Abby said no.
SPEAKER_00 (00:43):
So we are sorry, but we're really excited to kind of
close out our Friday the 13thseries with you now.
SPEAKER_01 (00:49):
I said the podcast comes first.
SPEAKER_00 (00:51):
That's right.
SPEAKER_01 (00:52):
She didn't listen.
SPEAKER_00 (00:53):
We even, I'll admit, we brought our microphones to
record at the wedding, like youknow, where we were for the
wedding weekend, which we didn'tend up having time to do.
SPEAKER_01 (01:02):
But amazingly, we were too busy with other things.
SPEAKER_00 (01:06):
Yes.
So anyway, we are sorry, but weare excited because we are going
to talk about the final fourFriday the 13th movies, and they
get pretty good.
They get pretty good.
SPEAKER_01 (01:16):
They get pretty good.
SPEAKER_00 (01:17):
Pretty good.
Alright, so we are going to kickthings off with Friday the 13th,
part nine.
SPEAKER_01 (01:24):
That's Jason Goes to Hell or Manhattan.
SPEAKER_00 (01:28):
Jason Goes to Hell.
SPEAKER_01 (01:29):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (01:30):
In 1993, the ninth movie in the Friday the 13th
franchise was released.
Jason Goes to Hell The FinalFriday.
And I love a film with asubtitle.
Not only is it a part, it's likesuch a long, it's like a
four-part title.
I appreciate that.
SPEAKER_01 (01:43):
Yeah, sorry.
That that's important though.
That's a good delineation.
I don't like it when it's just awhen it's just the subtitle.
Sure.
I need the number and thesubtitle.
It helps, it lets you keep trackof where you are in the series.
SPEAKER_00 (01:58):
And it gives us a little flair.
Exactly.
Yeah.
What's the whistle?
SPEAKER_01 (02:01):
Because like Hellraiser Awakening or
whatever, if that's even soundslike one, doesn't it?
I don't even know if it is.
Uh, but like, what where's thatin the first franchise?
I don't know.
It doesn't even exist?
Probably not.
SPEAKER_00 (02:13):
Probably not.
This film is the first in thefranchise to be produced by New
Line Cinema and not Paramount.
So remember, the first eightfilms are all produced by
Paramount.
This one is a shift.
Again, spoilers, we're gonna,we're here to talk about the
Friday the 13th movies.
If you haven't watched them andsomehow you're on part three of
this series, then go give them awatch and come back.
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But the film starts out with abang because Jason is completely
and totally shocked smithereensby the FBI.
SPEAKER_01 (02:41):
Is it it's the FBI?
SPEAKER_00 (02:43):
Yeah, I think they're all wearing FBI, FBI.
SPEAKER_01 (02:46):
They are definitely I thought it was like military.
SPEAKER_00 (02:49):
No.
SPEAKER_01 (02:49):
I mean, regardless, it's it's the it's you know
official.
SPEAKER_00 (02:52):
It's Mulder and Scully.
SPEAKER_01 (02:54):
Yeah, Mulder and Scully bring because they have
like machine guns and rocketlaunchers.
SPEAKER_00 (02:58):
It's a special special task force.
SPEAKER_01 (03:00):
The SWAT team.
It's the SWAT team taking downJason.
SPEAKER_00 (03:04):
But as we know, even the loss of a physical body
can't stop Jason.
SPEAKER_01 (03:09):
Apparently, which is dumb.
SPEAKER_00 (03:11):
In a truly wild plot twist, Jason's evil spirit
starts to possess differentpeople and continues to kill.
Lore becomes established thatonly members of Jason's
bloodline can kill or resurrecthim.
SPEAKER_01 (03:25):
Why?
SPEAKER_00 (03:26):
Couldn't tell you why.
I just know that that's thepoint that they make in this
movie.
SPEAKER_01 (03:30):
Alright.
SPEAKER_00 (03:30):
We figure out that Jason has a half-sister, first
time we've ever heard of her,and a niece.
SPEAKER_01 (03:34):
And it's Lori Strode.
SPEAKER_00 (03:36):
Jessica Kimball.
Jason continues to body hopuntil Jessica finally gets her
shit together enough to stab himwith an enchanted dagger and
send him to hell.
I don't know what there'ssomething about the the like
Friday the 13th franchise incertain movies that just is so
twin peaks-y to me.
And the diner in this movie, andlike the personalities at the
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diner, they're like they justhave this like quirkiness to
them that feels very much likeTwin Peaks.
SPEAKER_01 (04:04):
Yeah.
Yeah, this was the first onewhere like for Jason is in it
for like five minutes.
SPEAKER_00 (04:11):
Yeah, because then it's different.
SPEAKER_01 (04:13):
And yes, other actors playing Jason, I guess.
SPEAKER_00 (04:17):
Which must have been fun for them.
SPEAKER_01 (04:18):
Yeah, for sure.
But also it's like a differentkiller every time.
So it it's I don't know.
It it this did not feel like aFriday the 13th movie at all.
SPEAKER_00 (04:28):
Plus, like the way it starts, killing him
immediately, which neverhappens.
Suddenly they figured out how todo that.
SPEAKER_01 (04:34):
Yeah, they blow him up.
SPEAKER_00 (04:35):
And then sort of like this supernatural sending
him to hell, it's all I don'tknow.
There's it, I see your point.
It doesn't feel quite like aFriday the 13th movie.
SPEAKER_01 (04:44):
Listen, I I was really for the first time in
this entire franchise, I wasdisappointed because the title
really built this up.
You know, we saw what happenedwhen he goes to Manhattan.
SPEAKER_00 (04:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (04:56):
Uh fairly.
SPEAKER_00 (04:57):
We mostly saw it happen when he was on a boat.
SPEAKER_01 (04:59):
Yes.
I mean, it was too short, butwhile he was there, it was fun.
Meanwhile, Jason goes to hell,apparently.
We never see him in hell.
I was expecting Jason having tofight his way out of the nine
circles.
Uh you know, that's the movie weneed.
Just you know, battling battlingdemons, or of him just like
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slashing a bunch of like badpeople that are locked in hell
with him, you know.
Like that'd be freaking cool.
SPEAKER_00 (05:28):
It would be cool.
Like you try to put him inwhatever the circle for killer
murdering is, and then he likeclimbs his way out.
That's cool.
SPEAKER_01 (05:35):
I want to see, yeah, I want to see Jason like on a
fiery plateau with Hitler, andhe, you know, and he just
fucking dices him up because hecan.
Yeah.
And then he gets his pardon.
Um, but I don't know, that neverhappens.
Um, so that is gonna go into myFriday 13th fan fiction.
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But instead, we we see a a lotof weird actors stomping around
with serious looks on theirface, pretending to be Jason.
Yeah, and every so often someonetouches them and we get a flash
of someone who looks like Jason,I guess.
It's just dumb.
SPEAKER_00 (06:14):
Yeah.
It is dumb.
As we said, though Jason'scharacter is ever present in the
ninth film, Jason and his bodyas we know him only appears
briefly in the movie.
And in a head-scratching turn ofevents, Freddie Kruger's glove
actually comes out of the groundwhere Jason had sunk into and
gone to hell.
Which you would think, oh, thisis alluding to something, but we
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don't get there for quite awhile.
SPEAKER_01 (06:38):
Well, my understanding is that it that
was planned to be the nextthing.
And then for whateverdevelopment hell happened, that
that that's the real hell story.
SPEAKER_00 (06:49):
Well, it makes more sense.
SPEAKER_01 (06:51):
So Jason doesn't go to hell, the Jason and Freddie
team up goes into developmenthell, and then that it doesn't
happen until like you know, 20years later.
SPEAKER_00 (07:03):
It also just like doesn't make sense.
We'll get there, but Jason Goesto Hell, and then we never come
back to that again in thefranchise.
So the ninth movie had a budgetof 3 million and brought in 15.9
million in the US.
Jason Goes to Hell was directedby Adam Marcus.
Marcus is a horror writer anddirector.
He also directed Secret Santafrom 2018, and he wrote Texas
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Chainsaw from 2013.
He's also credited as a writeron this movie.
Jason Goes to Hell has a 15% onRotten Tomatoes.
SPEAKER_01 (07:34):
There are fun moments in this movie.
SPEAKER_00 (07:37):
Sure.
SPEAKER_01 (07:37):
Some of the kills are kind of cool.
However, it promises so much inthe title alone.
SPEAKER_00 (07:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (07:44):
And it doesn't deliver.
SPEAKER_00 (07:45):
It's the same yeah, I think I know you just said
this, but it's the same issuewith this franchise.
Like Jason goes to Manhattan,mostly takes place in a boat.
Jason goes to hell, mostly takesplace in a suburban town.
And jumping ahead a little bit,Jason in space takes place on a
spaceship.
Like it's, I don't know.
I just feel like it they allcould go bigger than they do,
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and we'd be down for that.
SPEAKER_01 (08:07):
Uh definitely.
I'm here, I'm here for it.
And you know, well, I'm sorry,I'm getting ahead of ourselves
talking about the free thefuture of the franchise.
But Jason Goes to Hell was I wasreally thinking that's gonna be
a high point, and it was justkind of something we glanced
over.
But it's also because of whatcame next.
SPEAKER_00 (08:24):
That's right.
Let's talk about Jason X from2001.
Honestly, I wish again, I wishthis movie jumped the shark even
more.
But as Jason X opens, we seethat Jason is being held in a
government lab.
He has been captured by thegovernment and they decide to
cryogenically freeze him.
Then we jump ahead over 400years, and a group of explorers
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and scientists, mostly wearingknitwear, find Jason's frozen
body as they explore Earth andbring it onto their spaceship.
They decide to thaw him out, andas he regains his consciousness,
he continues on his never-endingkilling spree.
Though in a fun turn of events,Jason is almost destroyed, but
the ship's nanotechnology,essentially a bunch of
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electronic bugs, rebuilds himinto a super version of himself.
The surviving scientists, again,all wearing knits, which I
cannot understand that choicefor space.
SPEAKER_01 (09:15):
Wearing knits?
SPEAKER_00 (09:16):
They're all wearing knitwear.
They're all wearing 90s likecrocheted garments.
SPEAKER_01 (09:22):
Yeah, that that's that's what you do.
It keeps you warm.
SPEAKER_00 (09:25):
So all of these scientists fight to escape as
Jason rampages through the ship,and it ends with a final battle
as Jason is hurled toward Earth2.
It's a mix of sci-fi and slasherparody, known for its self-aware
humor, futuristic setting, andover-the-top kills.
SPEAKER_01 (09:41):
First off.
The movie opens with Jason beingheld captive in a military
facility, and they're gonnatransfer him to some research
facility.
Uh, but it's like too d youknow, it's uh there's like the
lead scientist that says, Oh,it's we can't move him, it's
it's too dangerous.
And they're like, of coursewe're gonna move him, we need to
study him.
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And we need to study him becausehe's unkillable and he
regenerates all this tissue.
And like, that's like a weirdaspect of these like slasher
villains that is neverexplicitly stated.
I sorry, I can't think ofanother time where it's
explicitly stated where themilitary wants to study Jason
because, like, yeah, he's asuper weapon.
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Like, you cannot kill this guy.
You shoot him with bullets, hekeeps going.
You literally kill him, you sendhim to hell, he comes back.
He's fine.
Of course the military wants tostudy that.
I think that's super cool, andI'm glad it was addressed.
Uh, and then yeah, it goes awrybecause he pokes his little his
little machete through the edgeof the cryo tank, and then it
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leaks out, and then hisscientist gets frozen, and then
400 years in the future, forsome reason, no one opens the
door in the meantime.
That's that was an interestingplot point.
But this was just such a crazymovie.
First off, Friday 13th in space,someone pitched that idea,
they're like, Okay, but how?
And they tried really hard tomake it plausible, and I
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appreciate that.
It's a fun movie.
SPEAKER_00 (11:09):
Yeah, okay.
I I agree.
I think the funniest part of themovie for me is when the ship
plummets, they're like they'reheading towards that other space
station, and the ship like kindof plummets into it, and the
whole thing explodes.
SPEAKER_01 (11:23):
That that was that was a great moment.
My favorite part that so thismovie, hang on, this movie has
the best kill in the entireFriday 13th franchise.
SPEAKER_00 (11:33):
Hot take which one?
SPEAKER_01 (11:35):
The liquid nitrogen head smashing.
SPEAKER_00 (11:37):
Sure, okay, it's pretty good.
SPEAKER_01 (11:39):
Shoves head into the liquid nitrogen, head freezes
solid in like two seconds, andlike you watch it from inside
the tank, and then he justsmashes the woman's head on the
table, and then she's like alittle stump.
It's so freaking cool.
SPEAKER_00 (11:55):
Yeah, it's pretty good.
SPEAKER_01 (11:56):
It's it's a you know, it's a very it's a
creative kill.
The way it was filmed, it'sgreat.
SPEAKER_00 (12:02):
We'll have to uh reminisce at the end of this
episode about some of the bestkills from the whole franchise.
SPEAKER_01 (12:07):
That's the only one I care about.
SPEAKER_00 (12:08):
I want to read you a quote from renowned film critic
Roger Epert's review of Jason X.
SPEAKER_01 (12:14):
Oh, jeez.
SPEAKER_00 (12:15):
Quote The movie is a low-rent retread of the alien
pictures with a monsterattacking a spaceship crew.
One of the characters, Dallas,is even named in homage to the
earlier series.
The movie's premise, Jason, whohas a unique ability to
regenerate lost and damagedtissues, comes back to life and
goes on a rampage, killing theship's plentiful supply of
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sex-crazed students and staffmembers.
Once you know that the shipcontains many dark corners and
that the crew members wander offalone as stupidly as the campers
at Camp Crystal Lake did summerafter summer, you know as much
about the plot as the writersdo.
End quote.
He gave the movie half of asingle star.
SPEAKER_01 (12:55):
Wow.
That's I mean, let's be honest.
Jason X was not made for RogerEbert.
SPEAKER_00 (13:01):
That's true.
SPEAKER_01 (13:02):
So, and that that's okay.
This movie was made for me.
SPEAKER_00 (13:05):
It was made for Alan Coudin.
SPEAKER_01 (13:07):
I loved it.
It's so fun.
SPEAKER_00 (13:09):
Is it your favorite?
SPEAKER_01 (13:11):
Uh, it's it's tough.
I don't want to say my favoriteuntil the end.
SPEAKER_00 (13:15):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (13:16):
But this is tied for first, I'll tell you that.
One of my for nothing else, Ilove that we get Uber Jason.
And that is his canonical name.
When Jason is so fucked up thatlike the and then the nanites
leak onto him, and weestablished this technology
early on in the movie whenDove's arm gets chopped off.
SPEAKER_00 (13:37):
Your friend Dove.
SPEAKER_01 (13:37):
Dove Tief and Baum, that's the actor.
SPEAKER_00 (13:39):
From Harriet the Spy, the kid with the purple
socks.
SPEAKER_01 (13:42):
That's correct.
I I did a movie with him yearsago, and I had not seen Jason X
at the time, and I deliberatelywaited until after we were done
filming to watch this movie.
Because and I'm very glad I didbecause I would have asked him
endless questions about it.
You know, we we see these likelittle nanomachines recreate the
part it uh a missing part of hisbody, and then they do that to
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Jason, and then he fuses withall this metal, and he becomes
this, he was already this likewalking juggernaut, and now he's
this like super poweredjuggernaut.
Which like I'm there for it.
I love it.
You know, we've we see that inthe alien franchise in I think
Alien Resurrection, when likethe xenomorph gives live birth
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to the alien alien human hybridthing, and it's like or an even
better example in Alien versusPredator, when uh they make the
alien predator hybrid, which ofcourse is just like super
powerful.
In this case, you have Jasonthat's like half Jason, half
robot.
You already couldn't kill thisthing, and now he's also
bulletproof and crazy strong andhas abilities, and it's it's
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just cool.
SPEAKER_00 (14:51):
I like it.
It is cool, it is cool.
SPEAKER_01 (14:54):
A teenage boy probably wrote this movie.
A grown man teenage boy wrotethis movie, and I'm so thankful
they did.
SPEAKER_00 (15:01):
Jason X cost about $14 million to make.
SPEAKER_01 (15:06):
Should it should have cost$50.
SPEAKER_00 (15:07):
And it brought in $13.1 million in the US and just
shy of 4 million globally.
SPEAKER_01 (15:14):
Ugh.
SPEAKER_00 (15:14):
Meaning, all in, it made about 16.9 million, just
barely profitable from the boxoffice.
SPEAKER_01 (15:20):
But now it's just raking it in.
SPEAKER_00 (15:23):
Jason X was directed by James Isaac.
Isaac had worked on many specialeffects teams, including for
Star Wars, Return of the Jedi,and Gremlins.
As a director, he also worked onSkinwalkers from 2006 and The
Pig Hunt from 2008.
But as much as Alan likes JasonX, I like Freddie vs.
Jason.
In 2003, the world was blessedwith Freddie vs.
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Jason, directed by Ronnie Yu,and Wes Craven is credited as
the writer along with VictorMiller and Damian Shannon.
The film opens with a verystrong early 2000s vibe.
IGN's subheading on the reviewsays, Freddie vs.
Jason Review, the audienceloses.
The review, written by Scott B.,goes on to take issue with the
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central plot lines of the movie,especially knowing this movie
would be seen by mostly superfans of these franchises.
Quote, let's start with thecentral conceit of the
screenplay, written by newcomersDamian Shannon and Mark Swift, a
virtual army of screenwritersranging from blades scribe David
Goyer to the crow writer DavidJ.
Shao, took shots at unuseddrafts, that Freddie Krueger,
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Robert England, has lost hispower to wreak nightmarish havoc
because he has been forgotten.
Excuse me?
I just rewatched the originalNightmare on Elm Street,
brilliantly written and directedby Wes Craven, the other night,
and it's clear in that film thatFreddie is virtually unknown to
its teen protagonists, areal-life boogeyman who has
receded into urban legend andjumping rope song warnings.
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But this movie posits a Freddystuck in hell, who needs the aid
of Jason, Ken Kersinger,replacing veteran Jason Kane
Hotter, much to the ire ofFriday the 13th fans, to bring
terror back to Elm Street.
Each of Jason's kills and theensuing fear they provoke give
Freddy more power.
I know this probably soundsstupid and incomprehensible, but
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believe me, I am, if anything,actually clarifying the story
far more than the filmmakers do.
End quote.
I wanted to include that quotebecause I liked some of the
background that it gave into thefilm process and other famous
horror writers who had takenstabs at this draft and kind of
some of the behind-the-scenesstuff.
I also just thought it was funnyhow much this guy hated the
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movie.
So Freddie resurrects Jason, andJason starts to kill again.
Freddy is banking on the factthat the new fear this will
inspire will get people tobelieve in him again.
But as we all know, Jason simplyrefuses to be controlled.
He kills Freddy's would-bevictims, and it turns into a
battle between Freddy and Jason.
Back at Camp Crystal Lake,Freddie and Jason fight both on
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land and in dreams.
The ending leaves it ambiguous,so we don't really know who
truly wins.
Jason emerges from the lakeholding Freddy's severed head,
but Freddy winks, suggestingneither can die for good.
Which was, I don't know, Ithought this was sort of a fun
meta nod to the everlastingslasher motif.
To me, this movie felt more likean action movie than a horror
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movie.
I remember saying that to you aswe were watching it.
SPEAKER_01 (18:18):
So we had a bunch of Hollywood writers working on
this movie, which really speaksthe fact that this movie took so
long to come out.
It was supposed to come out, youknow, a decade earlier, at
least, because we they alludedto it after the 9th, Friday 13th
movie.
And everyone was really lookingforward to this movie, and then
uh yeah, just got lost inDevelopment Hell.
SPEAKER_00 (18:39):
Yeah, I think it's interesting.
We can look back in hindsightand be like, wow, you know, how
crazy that this movie wasalluded to like 20 years before
it actually came out.
But it's actually, you know, andyou know this better than I do,
but it's so complicated to getmovies made, and there's so much
politicking and bureaucracy thatgoes into it at the studio level
that when you think about Fridaythe 13th as a franchise, it's
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actually like a miracle that anyof these movies exist and that
they're getting the budgets thatthey're getting, especially
because Jason X, which came outright before, was like the worst
ROI of any of these.
And so I guess maybe that's whythey wanted to combine it with
Freddie to give it a chanceagain.
SPEAKER_01 (19:18):
I mean, it's also a franchise crossover.
So the licensing and all therights, and everyone has to sign
off on it, it gets really,really complicated.
SPEAKER_00 (19:27):
Right, true.
SPEAKER_01 (19:28):
Yeah, the the mythos gets a little wonky.
The quotes talking about how inthe first nightmare on Elm
Street, Freddy's unknown, butnow he has to be known to have
power.
Like, okay, sure.
You know what?
In the first Friday the 13th,Jason couldn't body hop.
In fact, he was his mom.
So maybe he could.
SPEAKER_00 (19:46):
That's I guess the essence of a slasher franchise.
SPEAKER_01 (19:49):
Yeah, you reinvent shit as you go.
Yeah.
Uh but I don't know.
I feel like this movie, Iremember it in theaters.
Like, I remember it coming outwith such an ad campaign.
Uh that I don't know, it it madequite the impression.
Like, yes, I I was the exact ageto be super excited for this
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movie.
SPEAKER_00 (20:13):
You were the target demographic.
SPEAKER_01 (20:15):
Although I I wasn't.
The target demographic was superfans of the franchise.
And I remember when I finallysaw it for the first time,
which, you know, was some uh ssleepover.
Sure.
When we watched it, it was verymuch a I had seen at least one
nightmare on Elm Street movie.
I had not seen any Friday the13th.
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And this is very much anightmare on Elm Street movie
that has Jason Voorhees in it.
SPEAKER_00 (20:43):
Yeah, I think that's right.
SPEAKER_01 (20:45):
And they also just never explain Jason Lore.
They only explain they they onlydiscuss Freddie Lore in detail.
Yeah.
You know, like, yes, it's it'syou know, uh r Freddy Krueger
doing the narration and talkingabout all this shit, but also
like, yeah, you just don't talkabout Jason, despite the fact
that he's kind of the pinnacleslasher.
SPEAKER_00 (21:05):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (21:06):
Like when you picture a slasher villain, you
picture Jason, whether you knowwho he is or not.
SPEAKER_00 (21:11):
Yeah.
I'm actually just thinking nowabout the ending too, like when
Jason is carrying Freddy's head,and I don't know, it would be
fun.
We did like the, you know, wedid something many years ago
where we pitted all thedifferent villains against each
other and the scary scuffle.
The scary scuffle and we figuredout who won.
But it would be fun to kind oflimit that because it got so
crazy because you have so manydifferent types of villains.
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Be kind of it's interesting tothink about, I guess.
My point is just slashersagainst each other.
Because I think who who are theother like supernatural slashers
besides Freddie?
Like that they'd obviously fuckup Michael because he's not
super he's kind of supernatural,but not in the way they are.
SPEAKER_01 (21:50):
So when we did the scary scuffle back in the day,
yeah, we limited the lore to thefirst movie in the franchise, in
each franchise.
SPEAKER_00 (21:58):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (21:58):
Which was very deliberate.
Did we even have I don't thinkwe even had Jason in it?
I don't remember.
I think Pamela Voorhees was init.
SPEAKER_00 (22:08):
Right, because yeah, because that was the first one.
The first one.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (22:10):
And it sorry, if he was, he'd be featured as Friday
the 13th part two.
SPEAKER_00 (22:15):
We'd have to we should redo it, but we could
pick whichever one we wanted.
Like we could pick which Jasonfrom which movie.
SPEAKER_01 (22:22):
So in our ill-fated follow-up episode of that, uh,
which never happened.
SPEAKER_00 (22:30):
Someday.
SPEAKER_01 (22:31):
Uh, it was uh it was about sequels.
Uh and so we chose I mean, I Iput this together, a list of
like 25 movies, and they werevarious sequels, and we pulled
very specific versions of eachvillain.
In this was Jason X, I remember.
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So we'd have Uber Jason, whowould honestly he'd do pretty
well.
And I remember another one wasLeprechaun in Space.
So, you know, you get the littlespace version of Leprechaun.
SPEAKER_00 (23:00):
Oh, it would be fun to do like all horror villains
in space.
Wait, is Jason X the strongestversion of Jason, do you think?
SPEAKER_01 (23:08):
Uber Jason is hands down technology the strongest
version of Jason.
Okay, and you know, thisbothered me.
I mean, no, Uber Jason can do nowrong, he does not bother me
whatsoever.
It bothered me in Freddy versusJason, where all of a sudden
Jason's weakness is water, andit's like, no, he's a fucking
amphibious hunter.
(23:29):
Right.
He's he's a drowned zombie.
And it's like, oh, he's afraidof water because he drowned.
Oh, okay, I get that.
No, no, that's not how thatworks.
His like place of power is isthe lake.
SPEAKER_00 (23:41):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (23:42):
And like he lives in like even in Freddie versus
Jason, they like he lives inlike a half sunken swamp.
SPEAKER_00 (23:49):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (23:49):
But he's afraid of w uh when Freddie turns on the
shower, he's afraid of thewater.
Right.
Like, no, come on.
SPEAKER_00 (23:55):
Yeah, that's a good point.
SPEAKER_01 (23:56):
Because that that's my only pet peeve with this
movie.
Everything else about it isperfect.
SPEAKER_00 (24:00):
Freddie versus Jason had a budget of about$25 to$30
million, and it brought in about116 million in the US.
These numbers are much biggerthan the previous installment
and owed to the combined powerof the horror franchises.
And then in 2009, our storycomes to a close with the final
installment, or I should say thelatest installment, of the Jason
(24:24):
Voorhees saga.
Directed by Marcus Nispel, theseries is rebooted with two of
the same writers from Freddyversus Jason.
The 2009 version brings newyoung energy to the series.
At this point, the franchisethrew all caution to the wind
and introduced Michael Bay as anexecutive producer, at least.
The final installment cost$19million to make and brought in
(24:45):
65 million in the US and 93million globally.
But despite that, we haven'tseen a new one since.
SPEAKER_01 (24:52):
Isn't that crazy?
I mean, first off, I don't likethis movie.
I think it's kind of dumb.
It follows the same trope thatwe've seen during this time
period with Halloween, whereit's like, you know what, we
really need to bring this seriesback to its roots and make it
scary.
SPEAKER_00 (25:11):
I thought it was scary.
To me, it was scarier than theothers.
For me.
SPEAKER_01 (25:15):
It's scarier than the others, but doesn't that's
not the charm of this franchise.
SPEAKER_00 (25:19):
Yeah, that's fair.
I guess it depends if you judgeFriday the 13th by its original
or by the franchise.
SPEAKER_01 (25:26):
I I don't really love the first Friday the 13th.
I think it's just kind ofboring.
I love Kevin Bacon.
Yeah.
He does great.
SPEAKER_00 (25:34):
He does great.
SPEAKER_01 (25:35):
It's okay.
It's not where the seriesshines.
There's enough similar there'senough, there's enough things
like it out there.
Yeah.
And maybe for its time, maybefor its time was incredible.
But uh in the through the lensof history, there's better stuff
out there.
SPEAKER_00 (25:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (25:52):
But in this 2009 remake, they try to remove as
much camp as possible, despitethe fact that Michael Bay is
there.
They still have some verymemorable kills.
SPEAKER_00 (26:04):
Sure.
SPEAKER_01 (26:04):
The sleeping bag was amazing.
SPEAKER_00 (26:06):
Oh my god.
Yeah, I forgot about that.
SPEAKER_01 (26:09):
Slinging her up like a pinata and just whacking her
around.
That was great.
Or no, he he it puts her.
No, sorry, he doesn't sling herup.
SPEAKER_00 (26:16):
He just whacks her around.
SPEAKER_01 (26:18):
Yeah, he just wacks her a whole bunch in the
sleeping bag.
Like, you know, like you know,how how you get rid of cats.
SPEAKER_00 (26:24):
No, don't say that.
SPEAKER_01 (26:26):
Uh you you you put a bunch of potatoes in the sack
with a cat, you swing it around.
No, um, and then when you'redone, you got a little stew.
SPEAKER_00 (26:33):
As he's petting.
SPEAKER_01 (26:34):
As he's petting the cat.
But I don't know.
That was fun.
That's honestly the only part ofthe movie that I remember.
SPEAKER_00 (26:39):
Yeah.
So let me refresh your memory.
After the film's cold open, wemeet a group of young adults
arriving at the infamous CampCrystal Lake.
This group runs into Clay, who'splayed by Jared Padalecki from
uh Gilmore Girls Fame.
And uh what's that other showhe's in?
Supernatural?
Searching for his missingsister.
The young adults, notably notteens, explore the old cabins
(27:02):
and woods.
Jason comes back and starts toterrorize and kill them.
And it is, I mean, in some waysit is quite fraught with sex and
drugs, and you know, it followsthe same formula that you'd
expect.
If you have sex, if you dodrugs, you die.
Friday the 13th, 2009 has a 26on Rotten Tomatoes.
SPEAKER_01 (27:20):
It's not a bad movie.
It's just not anywhere near whatI want out of the franchise, and
though that precedent has beenset with previous ones.
SPEAKER_00 (27:31):
It didn't feel like as particularly fresh.
Like it has like this youngenergy to it, it has a modern
energy to it, but it's not likeoh, that movie's something, you
know, interesting, or it feelsvery, very formulaic by that
point.
SPEAKER_01 (28:05):
Also, the one right before it was Freddie versus
Jason, which is just silly town,you know, one-on-one.
Yeah.
I loved it.
It's so fun.
And then you get to this, whichis like dark and gritty, and
it's like, come on, Michael Bay.
SPEAKER_00 (28:20):
Just yeah, get you.
SPEAKER_01 (28:22):
Make it make it silly.
You can do it.
I've seen you do it.
SPEAKER_00 (28:25):
You usually do.
From a box office perspective,the opening was strong.
It had one of the highestopenings in the franchise for a
February release, especially fora horror slasher remake.
However, it experienced a steepdrop in its second weekend,
which signaled weaker stayingpower than the initial hype.
The film also brings us analternative mask origin, which I
(28:47):
thought was interesting.
It's the first time where, andit's a reboot, so okay, but it's
the first time where he f hefinds the mask again.
Uh, and it's not from the thirdfilm when that that kid gives it
to him.
He just finds it in one of theseold houses.
SPEAKER_01 (29:01):
Cool.
He finds it.
SPEAKER_00 (29:03):
Yeah.
It's kind of like, oh, okay.
Oh, sure.
You know, it it there's not itdo yeah, I guess the lore that
it tries to re-establish isn'tall that interesting.
SPEAKER_01 (29:14):
Yeah, it's it it treads over well-worn ground
without adding much.
I don't know.
It it kind of reminds me of theGodzilla reboots in that the the
main allure is of like theGodzilla reboots, is like you're
seeing stuff that was previouslyincredibly low budget, campy
(29:38):
stuff done with Hollywood levelbudgets, and like that's the
allure.
Is the story as good?
Is the character development asgood?
No, but that's not what you'rethere for.
With this movie, you have allthe effects and zhuz, but it's
also it's just it's just aslasher movie, right?
There's there's no giant CGIcreature, and also like the one
(30:01):
before it had so many effectsbecause it's a nightmare in Elm
Street movie, basically.
SPEAKER_00 (30:06):
Right.
Yeah, I mean, and it's manyyears between these, right?
It's five years or so betweenthem, but five or six years.
But yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:13):
But it's been 16 years since that came out.
SPEAKER_00 (30:17):
I know.
We're still waiting.
SPEAKER_01 (30:18):
Still nothing.
But on that note.
So there is still like it it'skind of wild that there's been
no new Friday the thirteenthmovie.
SPEAKER_00 (30:27):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:28):
If with all these franchises, you think there's
like it it's such a cash grab.
SPEAKER_00 (30:34):
Well the Halloween, you know, Halloween even
rebooting.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:37):
And then they put they cranked out a whole
trilogy.
Was it good?
No.
SPEAKER_00 (30:41):
But the first one was.
SPEAKER_01 (30:43):
It was fun.
And it was like exciting to justwatch a new Halloween movie,
especially one with Jamie LeeCurtis.
Yeah.
You know, but but while shewhile she still got it.
SPEAKER_00 (30:52):
She's always gonna have it.
SPEAKER_01 (30:53):
Apparently, they've been trying to develop a new
Friday the 13th movie.
SPEAKER_00 (30:57):
Oh really?
SPEAKER_01 (30:58):
Yeah, but it's of if anything, it's gonna be a long
ways off.
Uh because it's completelyentangled in legal issues.
Uh which it isn't isn't analways.
All these like super successfulfranchises, people just buy the
rights and sit on them and justwait for someone to buy it
off 'em.
SPEAKER_00 (31:17):
So annoying.
SPEAKER_01 (31:18):
It's really dumb.
Uh, I guess there's a CrystalLake TV series, which I was
unfamiliar with.
SPEAKER_00 (31:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (31:23):
Either that was done by A24 or this new one's gonna
be A24.
SPEAKER_00 (31:27):
Oh, cool.
SPEAKER_01 (31:28):
Yeah, but A20, that's that that means that
means nothing anymore.
A24 is so big that it's now it'slike a saying something is a
Netflix original.
SPEAKER_00 (31:38):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (31:38):
Wow.
That means somebody else made itand then they just slap their
name on it.
Yeah.
Cool.
SPEAKER_00 (31:44):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (31:45):
The latest and greatest Friday the 13th content
is the Friday the 13th game.
SPEAKER_00 (31:49):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (31:50):
Called Friday the 13th the game.
SPEAKER_00 (31:52):
The video game.
SPEAKER_01 (31:53):
Yep.
I guess it's an it's anasymmetrical, what's the term?
It's an asymmetrical somethingwhere you either play as Jason
or you play as one of thecounselors.
SPEAKER_00 (32:03):
Oh, that's fun.
SPEAKER_01 (32:03):
And you're just one of the counselors running around
trying to survive.
It's an online only game becauseit's all live people, there's no
bots.
SPEAKER_00 (32:11):
Is that the one where I swam all for a long
time?
SPEAKER_01 (32:13):
That is correct.
You've played this game.
SPEAKER_00 (32:14):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (32:15):
Uh, and they've been trying to come out with a sequel
for a while.
Um, that's still in developmentuh to that game.
So uh that's uh again, it's aweird thing to put out that
game.
They came out like what, 2022,maybe?
SPEAKER_00 (32:27):
Yeah, sure.
SPEAKER_01 (32:28):
Weird thing that that came out in in 2020, if it
was 2022, but around then.
It was, yeah, it was aroundthen.
And then the previous theprevious movie was 2009.
That's a big gap in time.
SPEAKER_00 (32:41):
They know that people needed to scratch their
itch though.
SPEAKER_01 (32:44):
I guess so, but usually that is in tandem with
some kind of movie or TV showrelease.
So I actually just Googled, itwas 2017.
SPEAKER_00 (32:52):
Oh, time flies when there's a pandemic.
SPEAKER_01 (32:55):
Yeah, I guess so.
Wow, I I didn't realize that'sbeen that long.
Uh the new game, they're aimingfor 2026.
SPEAKER_00 (33:03):
All right, fingers crossed.
SPEAKER_01 (33:04):
So who knows?
SPEAKER_00 (33:05):
Who knows?
SPEAKER_01 (33:06):
This is all from one post on Reddit where Alan gets
all of his information.
But but this is from someonethat attended the Crystal Like
Nightmares, which is a Friday13th convention.
SPEAKER_00 (33:17):
Oh, that's fun.
We should go.
Now we're experts.
SPEAKER_01 (33:21):
And he he talked to Kane Hotter about it.
SPEAKER_00 (33:23):
Oh, that's cool.
SPEAKER_01 (33:24):
He said, I'm not involved.
SPEAKER_00 (33:27):
Well, why would he be?
SPEAKER_01 (33:28):
But he could have been bluffing.
SPEAKER_00 (33:30):
He's a according to this post.
He doesn't have any voiceacting.
Yeah, that's right.
SPEAKER_01 (33:35):
That's right.
SPEAKER_00 (33:36):
Yeah, what why would he be involved in the game?
SPEAKER_01 (33:39):
I I don't know, motion capture uses likeness.
SPEAKER_00 (33:42):
Sure.
SPEAKER_01 (33:43):
No, they wouldn't.
SPEAKER_00 (33:44):
Yeah.
One of my favorite parts of thisseries has to be the soundtrack.
The iconic song with its he hehe he he he he he he he ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha was actuallycreated by composer Harry
Manfredini.
Manfredini was whispering killmom into a microphone and
heavily echoing it.
Over the course of the 12movies, 10 different actors
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played Jason, each bringingtheir own subtle differences to
the monster.
Freddie versus Jason ended upbeing the highest grossing film
in the franchise.
Jason Takes Manhattan was thelowest grossing film of the
bunch.
But overall, the series broughtin over$460 million worldwide,
making it one of thehighest-grossing horror
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franchises in film history.
But back to a question that youasked me, Alan, at the very
beginning of this series.
SPEAKER_01 (34:33):
What was that?
SPEAKER_00 (34:34):
Is there any plot point that connects the series
to the Friday the 13th title atall?
SPEAKER_01 (34:39):
Uh, I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (34:40):
And as we now know, the title was originally only
selected for marketing reasons,and it was loosely worked into
the plot.
The film mentions that theoriginal killings at Camp
Crystal Lake began began onFriday the 13th when a young
Jason Vorhees drowned.
Pamela Vorhees' Rampage takesplace years later, also on a
(35:01):
Friday the 13th, supposedlymarking the anniversary of her
son's death.
After that, it never comes upagain.
Alright, Alan.
SPEAKER_01 (35:09):
So your favorite Friday the 13th movie of all
time is My favorite Friday the13th movie is Jason X.
My favorite movie in thefranchise is Freddie versus
Jason.
I just don't consider that to bea Friday the 13th movie.
It's far more a nightmare onApple Street.
SPEAKER_00 (35:28):
My favorite Friday the 13th movie is Friday the
13th, Jason Lives from 1986.
SPEAKER_01 (35:35):
What part is that?
Three, four, seven?
SPEAKER_00 (35:38):
Part six.
Which is the one where it startsin the cemetery and he gets sort
of re- Ah that one rocks.
Reanimated from a lightningbolt, from a metal rod from the
fence.
Just yeah, so good.
I love it.
SPEAKER_01 (35:52):
So it's that might be the met the best pure Friday
the 13th movie.
Yeah.
Jason X is crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (35:58):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (35:58):
But it's fun.
SPEAKER_00 (35:59):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, thank you guys so much forbeing here and listening to the
series.
It was really fun.
Again, I was surprised how funand not scary these movies were,
which was a bit of a relief.
We will be back very soon.
We have one more installment foryou, and then we're moving on to
some really fun topics to closeout the year.
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Thank you as always so much forlistening.
We love you.
Stay spooky, stay safe.
We'll talk to you soon.
Bye.
Bye.
Hello, everybody, and welcome back to another
episode of the Lunatics RadioHour Podcast.
My name is Abby Brinker, and Iam sitting here with Alan Kudin.
Hello.
And we have to say we're sorry.
This was meant to be ourHalloween special, but we got
married and things got away fromus a little bit.
SPEAKER_01 (00:38):
I I tried to push the wedding and Abby said no.
SPEAKER_00 (00:43):
So we are sorry, but we're really excited to kind of
close out our Friday the 13thseries with you now.
SPEAKER_01 (00:49):
I said the podcast comes first.
SPEAKER_00 (00:51):
That's right.
SPEAKER_01 (00:52):
She didn't listen.
SPEAKER_00 (00:53):
We even, I'll admit, we brought our microphones to
record at the wedding, like youknow, where we were for the
wedding weekend, which we didn'tend up having time to do.
SPEAKER_01 (01:02):
But amazingly, we were too busy with other things.
SPEAKER_00 (01:06):
Yes.
So anyway, we are sorry, but weare excited because we are going
to talk about the final fourFriday the 13th movies, and they
get pretty good.
They get pretty good.
SPEAKER_01 (01:16):
They get pretty good.
SPEAKER_00 (01:17):
Pretty good.
Alright, so we are going to kickthings off with Friday the 13th,
part nine.
SPEAKER_01 (01:24):
That's Jason Goes to Hell or Manhattan.
SPEAKER_00 (01:28):
Jason Goes to Hell.
SPEAKER_01 (01:29):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (01:30):
In 1993, the ninth movie in the Friday the 13th
franchise was released.
Jason Goes to Hell The FinalFriday.
And I love a film with asubtitle.
Not only is it a part, it's likesuch a long, it's like a
four-part title.
I appreciate that.
SPEAKER_01 (01:43):
Yeah, sorry.
That that's important though.
That's a good delineation.
I don't like it when it's just awhen it's just the subtitle.
Sure.
I need the number and thesubtitle.
It helps, it lets you keep trackof where you are in the series.
SPEAKER_00 (01:58):
And it gives us a little flair.
Exactly.
Yeah.
What's the whistle?
SPEAKER_01 (02:01):
Because like Hellraiser Awakening or
whatever, if that's even soundslike one, doesn't it?
I don't even know if it is.
Uh, but like, what where's thatin the first franchise?
I don't know.
It doesn't even exist?
Probably not.
SPEAKER_00 (02:13):
Probably not.
This film is the first in thefranchise to be produced by New
Line Cinema and not Paramount.
So remember, the first eightfilms are all produced by
Paramount.
This one is a shift.
Again, spoilers, we're gonna,we're here to talk about the
Friday the 13th movies.
If you haven't watched them andsomehow you're on part three of
this series, then go give them awatch and come back.
(02:34):
But the film starts out with abang because Jason is completely
and totally shocked smithereensby the FBI.
SPEAKER_01 (02:41):
Is it it's the FBI?
SPEAKER_00 (02:43):
Yeah, I think they're all wearing FBI, FBI.
SPEAKER_01 (02:46):
They are definitely I thought it was like military.
SPEAKER_00 (02:49):
No.
SPEAKER_01 (02:49):
I mean, regardless, it's it's the it's you know
official.
SPEAKER_00 (02:52):
It's Mulder and Scully.
SPEAKER_01 (02:54):
Yeah, Mulder and Scully bring because they have
like machine guns and rocketlaunchers.
SPEAKER_00 (02:58):
It's a special special task force.
SPEAKER_01 (03:00):
The SWAT team.
It's the SWAT team taking downJason.
SPEAKER_00 (03:04):
But as we know, even the loss of a physical body
can't stop Jason.
SPEAKER_01 (03:09):
Apparently, which is dumb.
SPEAKER_00 (03:11):
In a truly wild plot twist, Jason's evil spirit
starts to possess differentpeople and continues to kill.
Lore becomes established thatonly members of Jason's
bloodline can kill or resurrecthim.
SPEAKER_01 (03:25):
Why?
SPEAKER_00 (03:26):
Couldn't tell you why.
I just know that that's thepoint that they make in this
movie.
SPEAKER_01 (03:30):
Alright.
SPEAKER_00 (03:30):
We figure out that Jason has a half-sister, first
time we've ever heard of her,and a niece.
SPEAKER_01 (03:34):
And it's Lori Strode.
SPEAKER_00 (03:36):
Jessica Kimball.
Jason continues to body hopuntil Jessica finally gets her
shit together enough to stab himwith an enchanted dagger and
send him to hell.
I don't know what there'ssomething about the the like
Friday the 13th franchise incertain movies that just is so
twin peaks-y to me.
And the diner in this movie, andlike the personalities at the
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diner, they're like they justhave this like quirkiness to
them that feels very much likeTwin Peaks.
SPEAKER_01 (04:04):
Yeah.
Yeah, this was the first onewhere like for Jason is in it
for like five minutes.
SPEAKER_00 (04:11):
Yeah, because then it's different.
SPEAKER_01 (04:13):
And yes, other actors playing Jason, I guess.
SPEAKER_00 (04:17):
Which must have been fun for them.
SPEAKER_01 (04:18):
Yeah, for sure.
But also it's like a differentkiller every time.
So it it's I don't know.
It it this did not feel like aFriday the 13th movie at all.
SPEAKER_00 (04:28):
Plus, like the way it starts, killing him
immediately, which neverhappens.
Suddenly they figured out how todo that.
SPEAKER_01 (04:34):
Yeah, they blow him up.
SPEAKER_00 (04:35):
And then sort of like this supernatural sending
him to hell, it's all I don'tknow.
There's it, I see your point.
It doesn't feel quite like aFriday the 13th movie.
SPEAKER_01 (04:44):
Listen, I I was really for the first time in
this entire franchise, I wasdisappointed because the title
really built this up.
You know, we saw what happenedwhen he goes to Manhattan.
SPEAKER_00 (04:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (04:56):
Uh fairly.
SPEAKER_00 (04:57):
We mostly saw it happen when he was on a boat.
SPEAKER_01 (04:59):
Yes.
I mean, it was too short, butwhile he was there, it was fun.
Meanwhile, Jason goes to hell,apparently.
We never see him in hell.
I was expecting Jason having tofight his way out of the nine
circles.
Uh you know, that's the movie weneed.
Just you know, battling battlingdemons, or of him just like
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slashing a bunch of like badpeople that are locked in hell
with him, you know.
Like that'd be freaking cool.
SPEAKER_00 (05:28):
It would be cool.
Like you try to put him inwhatever the circle for killer
murdering is, and then he likeclimbs his way out.
That's cool.
SPEAKER_01 (05:35):
I want to see, yeah, I want to see Jason like on a
fiery plateau with Hitler, andhe, you know, and he just
fucking dices him up because hecan.
Yeah.
And then he gets his pardon.
Um, but I don't know, that neverhappens.
Um, so that is gonna go into myFriday 13th fan fiction.
(05:56):
But instead, we we see a a lotof weird actors stomping around
with serious looks on theirface, pretending to be Jason.
Yeah, and every so often someonetouches them and we get a flash
of someone who looks like Jason,I guess.
It's just dumb.
SPEAKER_00 (06:14):
Yeah.
It is dumb.
As we said, though Jason'scharacter is ever present in the
ninth film, Jason and his bodyas we know him only appears
briefly in the movie.
And in a head-scratching turn ofevents, Freddie Kruger's glove
actually comes out of the groundwhere Jason had sunk into and
gone to hell.
Which you would think, oh, thisis alluding to something, but we
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don't get there for quite awhile.
SPEAKER_01 (06:38):
Well, my understanding is that it that
was planned to be the nextthing.
And then for whateverdevelopment hell happened, that
that that's the real hell story.
SPEAKER_00 (06:49):
Well, it makes more sense.
SPEAKER_01 (06:51):
So Jason doesn't go to hell, the Jason and Freddie
team up goes into developmenthell, and then that it doesn't
happen until like you know, 20years later.
SPEAKER_00 (07:03):
It also just like doesn't make sense.
We'll get there, but Jason Goesto Hell, and then we never come
back to that again in thefranchise.
So the ninth movie had a budgetof 3 million and brought in 15.9
million in the US.
Jason Goes to Hell was directedby Adam Marcus.
Marcus is a horror writer anddirector.
He also directed Secret Santafrom 2018, and he wrote Texas
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Chainsaw from 2013.
He's also credited as a writeron this movie.
Jason Goes to Hell has a 15% onRotten Tomatoes.
SPEAKER_01 (07:34):
There are fun moments in this movie.
SPEAKER_00 (07:37):
Sure.
SPEAKER_01 (07:37):
Some of the kills are kind of cool.
However, it promises so much inthe title alone.
SPEAKER_00 (07:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (07:44):
And it doesn't deliver.
SPEAKER_00 (07:45):
It's the same yeah, I think I know you just said
this, but it's the same issuewith this franchise.
Like Jason goes to Manhattan,mostly takes place in a boat.
Jason goes to hell, mostly takesplace in a suburban town.
And jumping ahead a little bit,Jason in space takes place on a
spaceship.
Like it's, I don't know.
I just feel like it they allcould go bigger than they do,
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and we'd be down for that.
SPEAKER_01 (08:07):
Uh definitely.
I'm here, I'm here for it.
And you know, well, I'm sorry,I'm getting ahead of ourselves
talking about the free thefuture of the franchise.
But Jason Goes to Hell was I wasreally thinking that's gonna be
a high point, and it was justkind of something we glanced
over.
But it's also because of whatcame next.
SPEAKER_00 (08:24):
That's right.
Let's talk about Jason X from2001.
Honestly, I wish again, I wishthis movie jumped the shark even
more.
But as Jason X opens, we seethat Jason is being held in a
government lab.
He has been captured by thegovernment and they decide to
cryogenically freeze him.
Then we jump ahead over 400years, and a group of explorers
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and scientists, mostly wearingknitwear, find Jason's frozen
body as they explore Earth andbring it onto their spaceship.
They decide to thaw him out, andas he regains his consciousness,
he continues on his never-endingkilling spree.
Though in a fun turn of events,Jason is almost destroyed, but
the ship's nanotechnology,essentially a bunch of
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electronic bugs, rebuilds himinto a super version of himself.
The surviving scientists, again,all wearing knits, which I
cannot understand that choicefor space.
SPEAKER_01 (09:15):
Wearing knits?
SPEAKER_00 (09:16):
They're all wearing knitwear.
They're all wearing 90s likecrocheted garments.
SPEAKER_01 (09:22):
Yeah, that that's that's what you do.
It keeps you warm.
SPEAKER_00 (09:25):
So all of these scientists fight to escape as
Jason rampages through the ship,and it ends with a final battle
as Jason is hurled toward Earth2.
It's a mix of sci-fi and slasherparody, known for its self-aware
humor, futuristic setting, andover-the-top kills.
SPEAKER_01 (09:41):
First off.
The movie opens with Jason beingheld captive in a military
facility, and they're gonnatransfer him to some research
facility.
Uh, but it's like too d youknow, it's uh there's like the
lead scientist that says, Oh,it's we can't move him, it's
it's too dangerous.
And they're like, of coursewe're gonna move him, we need to
study him.
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And we need to study him becausehe's unkillable and he
regenerates all this tissue.
And like, that's like a weirdaspect of these like slasher
villains that is neverexplicitly stated.
I sorry, I can't think ofanother time where it's
explicitly stated where themilitary wants to study Jason
because, like, yeah, he's asuper weapon.
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Like, you cannot kill this guy.
You shoot him with bullets, hekeeps going.
You literally kill him, you sendhim to hell, he comes back.
He's fine.
Of course the military wants tostudy that.
I think that's super cool, andI'm glad it was addressed.
Uh, and then yeah, it goes awrybecause he pokes his little his
little machete through the edgeof the cryo tank, and then it
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leaks out, and then hisscientist gets frozen, and then
400 years in the future, forsome reason, no one opens the
door in the meantime.
That's that was an interestingplot point.
But this was just such a crazymovie.
First off, Friday 13th in space,someone pitched that idea,
they're like, Okay, but how?
And they tried really hard tomake it plausible, and I
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appreciate that.
It's a fun movie.
SPEAKER_00 (11:09):
Yeah, okay.
I I agree.
I think the funniest part of themovie for me is when the ship
plummets, they're like they'reheading towards that other space
station, and the ship like kindof plummets into it, and the
whole thing explodes.
SPEAKER_01 (11:23):
That that was that was a great moment.
My favorite part that so thismovie, hang on, this movie has
the best kill in the entireFriday 13th franchise.
SPEAKER_00 (11:33):
Hot take which one?
SPEAKER_01 (11:35):
The liquid nitrogen head smashing.
SPEAKER_00 (11:37):
Sure, okay, it's pretty good.
SPEAKER_01 (11:39):
Shoves head into the liquid nitrogen, head freezes
solid in like two seconds, andlike you watch it from inside
the tank, and then he justsmashes the woman's head on the
table, and then she's like alittle stump.
It's so freaking cool.
SPEAKER_00 (11:55):
Yeah, it's pretty good.
SPEAKER_01 (11:56):
It's it's a you know, it's a very it's a
creative kill.
The way it was filmed, it'sgreat.
SPEAKER_00 (12:02):
We'll have to uh reminisce at the end of this
episode about some of the bestkills from the whole franchise.
SPEAKER_01 (12:07):
That's the only one I care about.
SPEAKER_00 (12:08):
I want to read you a quote from renowned film critic
Roger Epert's review of Jason X.
SPEAKER_01 (12:14):
Oh, jeez.
SPEAKER_00 (12:15):
Quote The movie is a low-rent retread of the alien
pictures with a monsterattacking a spaceship crew.
One of the characters, Dallas,is even named in homage to the
earlier series.
The movie's premise, Jason, whohas a unique ability to
regenerate lost and damagedtissues, comes back to life and
goes on a rampage, killing theship's plentiful supply of
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sex-crazed students and staffmembers.
Once you know that the shipcontains many dark corners and
that the crew members wander offalone as stupidly as the campers
at Camp Crystal Lake did summerafter summer, you know as much
about the plot as the writersdo.
End quote.
He gave the movie half of asingle star.
SPEAKER_01 (12:55):
Wow.
That's I mean, let's be honest.
Jason X was not made for RogerEbert.
SPEAKER_00 (13:01):
That's true.
SPEAKER_01 (13:02):
So, and that that's okay.
This movie was made for me.
SPEAKER_00 (13:05):
It was made for Alan Coudin.
SPEAKER_01 (13:07):
I loved it.
It's so fun.
SPEAKER_00 (13:09):
Is it your favorite?
SPEAKER_01 (13:11):
Uh, it's it's tough.
I don't want to say my favoriteuntil the end.
SPEAKER_00 (13:15):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (13:16):
But this is tied for first, I'll tell you that.
One of my for nothing else, Ilove that we get Uber Jason.
And that is his canonical name.
When Jason is so fucked up thatlike the and then the nanites
leak onto him, and weestablished this technology
early on in the movie whenDove's arm gets chopped off.
SPEAKER_00 (13:37):
Your friend Dove.
SPEAKER_01 (13:37):
Dove Tief and Baum, that's the actor.
SPEAKER_00 (13:39):
From Harriet the Spy, the kid with the purple
socks.
SPEAKER_01 (13:42):
That's correct.
I I did a movie with him yearsago, and I had not seen Jason X
at the time, and I deliberatelywaited until after we were done
filming to watch this movie.
Because and I'm very glad I didbecause I would have asked him
endless questions about it.
You know, we we see these likelittle nanomachines recreate the
part it uh a missing part of hisbody, and then they do that to
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Jason, and then he fuses withall this metal, and he becomes
this, he was already this likewalking juggernaut, and now he's
this like super poweredjuggernaut.
Which like I'm there for it.
I love it.
You know, we've we see that inthe alien franchise in I think
Alien Resurrection, when likethe xenomorph gives live birth
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to the alien alien human hybridthing, and it's like or an even
better example in Alien versusPredator, when uh they make the
alien predator hybrid, which ofcourse is just like super
powerful.
In this case, you have Jasonthat's like half Jason, half
robot.
You already couldn't kill thisthing, and now he's also
bulletproof and crazy strong andhas abilities, and it's it's
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just cool.
SPEAKER_00 (14:51):
I like it.
It is cool, it is cool.
SPEAKER_01 (14:54):
A teenage boy probably wrote this movie.
A grown man teenage boy wrotethis movie, and I'm so thankful
they did.
SPEAKER_00 (15:01):
Jason X cost about $14 million to make.
SPEAKER_01 (15:06):
Should it should have cost$50.
SPEAKER_00 (15:07):
And it brought in $13.1 million in the US and just
shy of 4 million globally.
SPEAKER_01 (15:14):
Ugh.
SPEAKER_00 (15:14):
Meaning, all in, it made about 16.9 million, just
barely profitable from the boxoffice.
SPEAKER_01 (15:20):
But now it's just raking it in.
SPEAKER_00 (15:23):
Jason X was directed by James Isaac.
Isaac had worked on many specialeffects teams, including for
Star Wars, Return of the Jedi,and Gremlins.
As a director, he also worked onSkinwalkers from 2006 and The
Pig Hunt from 2008.
But as much as Alan likes JasonX, I like Freddie vs.
Jason.
In 2003, the world was blessedwith Freddie vs.
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Jason, directed by Ronnie Yu,and Wes Craven is credited as
the writer along with VictorMiller and Damian Shannon.
The film opens with a verystrong early 2000s vibe.
IGN's subheading on the reviewsays, Freddie vs.
Jason Review, the audienceloses.
The review, written by Scott B.,goes on to take issue with the
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central plot lines of the movie,especially knowing this movie
would be seen by mostly superfans of these franchises.
Quote, let's start with thecentral conceit of the
screenplay, written by newcomersDamian Shannon and Mark Swift, a
virtual army of screenwritersranging from blades scribe David
Goyer to the crow writer DavidJ.
Shao, took shots at unuseddrafts, that Freddie Krueger,
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Robert England, has lost hispower to wreak nightmarish havoc
because he has been forgotten.
Excuse me?
I just rewatched the originalNightmare on Elm Street,
brilliantly written and directedby Wes Craven, the other night,
and it's clear in that film thatFreddie is virtually unknown to
its teen protagonists, areal-life boogeyman who has
receded into urban legend andjumping rope song warnings.
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But this movie posits a Freddystuck in hell, who needs the aid
of Jason, Ken Kersinger,replacing veteran Jason Kane
Hotter, much to the ire ofFriday the 13th fans, to bring
terror back to Elm Street.
Each of Jason's kills and theensuing fear they provoke give
Freddy more power.
I know this probably soundsstupid and incomprehensible, but
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believe me, I am, if anything,actually clarifying the story
far more than the filmmakers do.
End quote.
I wanted to include that quotebecause I liked some of the
background that it gave into thefilm process and other famous
horror writers who had takenstabs at this draft and kind of
some of the behind-the-scenesstuff.
I also just thought it was funnyhow much this guy hated the
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movie.
So Freddie resurrects Jason, andJason starts to kill again.
Freddy is banking on the factthat the new fear this will
inspire will get people tobelieve in him again.
But as we all know, Jason simplyrefuses to be controlled.
He kills Freddy's would-bevictims, and it turns into a
battle between Freddy and Jason.
Back at Camp Crystal Lake,Freddie and Jason fight both on
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land and in dreams.
The ending leaves it ambiguous,so we don't really know who
truly wins.
Jason emerges from the lakeholding Freddy's severed head,
but Freddy winks, suggestingneither can die for good.
Which was, I don't know, Ithought this was sort of a fun
meta nod to the everlastingslasher motif.
To me, this movie felt more likean action movie than a horror
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movie.
I remember saying that to you aswe were watching it.
SPEAKER_01 (18:18):
So we had a bunch of Hollywood writers working on
this movie, which really speaksthe fact that this movie took so
long to come out.
It was supposed to come out, youknow, a decade earlier, at
least, because we they alludedto it after the 9th, Friday 13th
movie.
And everyone was really lookingforward to this movie, and then
uh yeah, just got lost inDevelopment Hell.
SPEAKER_00 (18:39):
Yeah, I think it's interesting.
We can look back in hindsightand be like, wow, you know, how
crazy that this movie wasalluded to like 20 years before
it actually came out.
But it's actually, you know, andyou know this better than I do,
but it's so complicated to getmovies made, and there's so much
politicking and bureaucracy thatgoes into it at the studio level
that when you think about Fridaythe 13th as a franchise, it's
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actually like a miracle that anyof these movies exist and that
they're getting the budgets thatthey're getting, especially
because Jason X, which came outright before, was like the worst
ROI of any of these.
And so I guess maybe that's whythey wanted to combine it with
Freddie to give it a chanceagain.
SPEAKER_01 (19:18):
I mean, it's also a franchise crossover.
So the licensing and all therights, and everyone has to sign
off on it, it gets really,really complicated.
SPEAKER_00 (19:27):
Right, true.
SPEAKER_01 (19:28):
Yeah, the the mythos gets a little wonky.
The quotes talking about how inthe first nightmare on Elm
Street, Freddy's unknown, butnow he has to be known to have
power.
Like, okay, sure.
You know what?
In the first Friday the 13th,Jason couldn't body hop.
In fact, he was his mom.
So maybe he could.
SPEAKER_00 (19:46):
That's I guess the essence of a slasher franchise.
SPEAKER_01 (19:49):
Yeah, you reinvent shit as you go.
Yeah.
Uh but I don't know.
I feel like this movie, Iremember it in theaters.
Like, I remember it coming outwith such an ad campaign.
Uh that I don't know, it it madequite the impression.
Like, yes, I I was the exact ageto be super excited for this
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movie.
SPEAKER_00 (20:13):
You were the target demographic.
SPEAKER_01 (20:15):
Although I I wasn't.
The target demographic was superfans of the franchise.
And I remember when I finallysaw it for the first time,
which, you know, was some uh ssleepover.
Sure.
When we watched it, it was verymuch a I had seen at least one
nightmare on Elm Street movie.
I had not seen any Friday the13th.
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And this is very much anightmare on Elm Street movie
that has Jason Voorhees in it.
SPEAKER_00 (20:43):
Yeah, I think that's right.
SPEAKER_01 (20:45):
And they also just never explain Jason Lore.
They only explain they they onlydiscuss Freddie Lore in detail.
Yeah.
You know, like, yes, it's it'syou know, uh r Freddy Krueger
doing the narration and talkingabout all this shit, but also
like, yeah, you just don't talkabout Jason, despite the fact
that he's kind of the pinnacleslasher.
SPEAKER_00 (21:05):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (21:06):
Like when you picture a slasher villain, you
picture Jason, whether you knowwho he is or not.
SPEAKER_00 (21:11):
Yeah.
I'm actually just thinking nowabout the ending too, like when
Jason is carrying Freddy's head,and I don't know, it would be
fun.
We did like the, you know, wedid something many years ago
where we pitted all thedifferent villains against each
other and the scary scuffle.
The scary scuffle and we figuredout who won.
But it would be fun to kind oflimit that because it got so
crazy because you have so manydifferent types of villains.
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Be kind of it's interesting tothink about, I guess.
My point is just slashersagainst each other.
Because I think who who are theother like supernatural slashers
besides Freddie?
Like that they'd obviously fuckup Michael because he's not
super he's kind of supernatural,but not in the way they are.
SPEAKER_01 (21:50):
So when we did the scary scuffle back in the day,
yeah, we limited the lore to thefirst movie in the franchise, in
each franchise.
SPEAKER_00 (21:58):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (21:58):
Which was very deliberate.
Did we even have I don't thinkwe even had Jason in it?
I don't remember.
I think Pamela Voorhees was init.
SPEAKER_00 (22:08):
Right, because yeah, because that was the first one.
The first one.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (22:10):
And it sorry, if he was, he'd be featured as Friday
the 13th part two.
SPEAKER_00 (22:15):
We'd have to we should redo it, but we could
pick whichever one we wanted.
Like we could pick which Jasonfrom which movie.
SPEAKER_01 (22:22):
So in our ill-fated follow-up episode of that, uh,
which never happened.
SPEAKER_00 (22:30):
Someday.
SPEAKER_01 (22:31):
Uh, it was uh it was about sequels.
Uh and so we chose I mean, I Iput this together, a list of
like 25 movies, and they werevarious sequels, and we pulled
very specific versions of eachvillain.
In this was Jason X, I remember.
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So we'd have Uber Jason, whowould honestly he'd do pretty
well.
And I remember another one wasLeprechaun in Space.
So, you know, you get the littlespace version of Leprechaun.
SPEAKER_00 (23:00):
Oh, it would be fun to do like all horror villains
in space.
Wait, is Jason X the strongestversion of Jason, do you think?
SPEAKER_01 (23:08):
Uber Jason is hands down technology the strongest
version of Jason.
Okay, and you know, thisbothered me.
I mean, no, Uber Jason can do nowrong, he does not bother me
whatsoever.
It bothered me in Freddy versusJason, where all of a sudden
Jason's weakness is water, andit's like, no, he's a fucking
amphibious hunter.
(23:29):
Right.
He's he's a drowned zombie.
And it's like, oh, he's afraidof water because he drowned.
Oh, okay, I get that.
No, no, that's not how thatworks.
His like place of power is isthe lake.
SPEAKER_00 (23:41):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (23:42):
And like he lives in like even in Freddie versus
Jason, they like he lives inlike a half sunken swamp.
SPEAKER_00 (23:49):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (23:49):
But he's afraid of w uh when Freddie turns on the
shower, he's afraid of thewater.
Right.
Like, no, come on.
SPEAKER_00 (23:55):
Yeah, that's a good point.
SPEAKER_01 (23:56):
Because that that's my only pet peeve with this
movie.
Everything else about it isperfect.
SPEAKER_00 (24:00):
Freddie versus Jason had a budget of about$25 to$30
million, and it brought in about116 million in the US.
These numbers are much biggerthan the previous installment
and owed to the combined powerof the horror franchises.
And then in 2009, our storycomes to a close with the final
installment, or I should say thelatest installment, of the Jason
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Voorhees saga.
Directed by Marcus Nispel, theseries is rebooted with two of
the same writers from Freddyversus Jason.
The 2009 version brings newyoung energy to the series.
At this point, the franchisethrew all caution to the wind
and introduced Michael Bay as anexecutive producer, at least.
The final installment cost$19million to make and brought in
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65 million in the US and 93million globally.
But despite that, we haven'tseen a new one since.
SPEAKER_01 (24:52):
Isn't that crazy?
I mean, first off, I don't likethis movie.
I think it's kind of dumb.
It follows the same trope thatwe've seen during this time
period with Halloween, whereit's like, you know what, we
really need to bring this seriesback to its roots and make it
scary.
SPEAKER_00 (25:11):
I thought it was scary.
To me, it was scarier than theothers.
For me.
SPEAKER_01 (25:15):
It's scarier than the others, but doesn't that's
not the charm of this franchise.
SPEAKER_00 (25:19):
Yeah, that's fair.
I guess it depends if you judgeFriday the 13th by its original
or by the franchise.
SPEAKER_01 (25:26):
I I don't really love the first Friday the 13th.
I think it's just kind ofboring.
I love Kevin Bacon.
Yeah.
He does great.
SPEAKER_00 (25:34):
He does great.
SPEAKER_01 (25:35):
It's okay.
It's not where the seriesshines.
There's enough similar there'senough, there's enough things
like it out there.
Yeah.
And maybe for its time, maybefor its time was incredible.
But uh in the through the lensof history, there's better stuff
out there.
SPEAKER_00 (25:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (25:52):
But in this 2009 remake, they try to remove as
much camp as possible, despitethe fact that Michael Bay is
there.
They still have some verymemorable kills.
SPEAKER_00 (26:04):
Sure.
SPEAKER_01 (26:04):
The sleeping bag was amazing.
SPEAKER_00 (26:06):
Oh my god.
Yeah, I forgot about that.
SPEAKER_01 (26:09):
Slinging her up like a pinata and just whacking her
around.
That was great.
Or no, he he it puts her.
No, sorry, he doesn't sling herup.
SPEAKER_00 (26:16):
He just whacks her around.
SPEAKER_01 (26:18):
Yeah, he just wacks her a whole bunch in the
sleeping bag.
Like, you know, like you know,how how you get rid of cats.
SPEAKER_00 (26:24):
No, don't say that.
SPEAKER_01 (26:26):
Uh you you you put a bunch of potatoes in the sack
with a cat, you swing it around.
No, um, and then when you'redone, you got a little stew.
SPEAKER_00 (26:33):
As he's petting.
SPEAKER_01 (26:34):
As he's petting the cat.
But I don't know.
That was fun.
That's honestly the only part ofthe movie that I remember.
SPEAKER_00 (26:39):
Yeah.
So let me refresh your memory.
After the film's cold open, wemeet a group of young adults
arriving at the infamous CampCrystal Lake.
This group runs into Clay, who'splayed by Jared Padalecki from
uh Gilmore Girls Fame.
And uh what's that other showhe's in?
Supernatural?
Searching for his missingsister.
The young adults, notably notteens, explore the old cabins
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and woods.
Jason comes back and starts toterrorize and kill them.
And it is, I mean, in some waysit is quite fraught with sex and
drugs, and you know, it followsthe same formula that you'd
expect.
If you have sex, if you dodrugs, you die.
Friday the 13th, 2009 has a 26on Rotten Tomatoes.
SPEAKER_01 (27:20):
It's not a bad movie.
It's just not anywhere near whatI want out of the franchise, and
though that precedent has beenset with previous ones.
SPEAKER_00 (27:31):
It didn't feel like as particularly fresh.
Like it has like this youngenergy to it, it has a modern
energy to it, but it's not likeoh, that movie's something, you
know, interesting, or it feelsvery, very formulaic by that
point.
SPEAKER_01 (28:05):
Also, the one right before it was Freddie versus
Jason, which is just silly town,you know, one-on-one.
Yeah.
I loved it.
It's so fun.
And then you get to this, whichis like dark and gritty, and
it's like, come on, Michael Bay.
SPEAKER_00 (28:20):
Just yeah, get you.
SPEAKER_01 (28:22):
Make it make it silly.
You can do it.
I've seen you do it.
SPEAKER_00 (28:25):
You usually do.
From a box office perspective,the opening was strong.
It had one of the highestopenings in the franchise for a
February release, especially fora horror slasher remake.
However, it experienced a steepdrop in its second weekend,
which signaled weaker stayingpower than the initial hype.
The film also brings us analternative mask origin, which I
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thought was interesting.
It's the first time where, andit's a reboot, so okay, but it's
the first time where he f hefinds the mask again.
Uh, and it's not from the thirdfilm when that that kid gives it
to him.
He just finds it in one of theseold houses.
SPEAKER_01 (29:01):
Cool.
He finds it.
SPEAKER_00 (29:03):
Yeah.
It's kind of like, oh, okay.
Oh, sure.
You know, it it there's not itdo yeah, I guess the lore that
it tries to re-establish isn'tall that interesting.
SPEAKER_01 (29:14):
Yeah, it's it it treads over well-worn ground
without adding much.
I don't know.
It it kind of reminds me of theGodzilla reboots in that the the
main allure is of like theGodzilla reboots, is like you're
seeing stuff that was previouslyincredibly low budget, campy
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stuff done with Hollywood levelbudgets, and like that's the
allure.
Is the story as good?
Is the character development asgood?
No, but that's not what you'rethere for.
With this movie, you have allthe effects and zhuz, but it's
also it's just it's just aslasher movie, right?
There's there's no giant CGIcreature, and also like the one
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before it had so many effectsbecause it's a nightmare in Elm
Street movie, basically.
SPEAKER_00 (30:06):
Right.
Yeah, I mean, and it's manyyears between these, right?
It's five years or so betweenthem, but five or six years.
But yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:13):
But it's been 16 years since that came out.
SPEAKER_00 (30:17):
I know.
We're still waiting.
SPEAKER_01 (30:18):
Still nothing.
But on that note.
So there is still like it it'skind of wild that there's been
no new Friday the thirteenthmovie.
SPEAKER_00 (30:27):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:28):
If with all these franchises, you think there's
like it it's such a cash grab.
SPEAKER_00 (30:34):
Well the Halloween, you know, Halloween even
rebooting.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:37):
And then they put they cranked out a whole
trilogy.
Was it good?
No.
SPEAKER_00 (30:41):
But the first one was.
SPEAKER_01 (30:43):
It was fun.
And it was like exciting to justwatch a new Halloween movie,
especially one with Jamie LeeCurtis.
Yeah.
You know, but but while shewhile she still got it.
SPEAKER_00 (30:52):
She's always gonna have it.
SPEAKER_01 (30:53):
Apparently, they've been trying to develop a new
Friday the 13th movie.
SPEAKER_00 (30:57):
Oh really?
SPEAKER_01 (30:58):
Yeah, but it's of if anything, it's gonna be a long
ways off.
Uh because it's completelyentangled in legal issues.
Uh which it isn't isn't analways.
All these like super successfulfranchises, people just buy the
rights and sit on them and justwait for someone to buy it
off 'em.
SPEAKER_00 (31:17):
So annoying.
SPEAKER_01 (31:18):
It's really dumb.
Uh, I guess there's a CrystalLake TV series, which I was
unfamiliar with.
SPEAKER_00 (31:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (31:23):
Either that was done by A24 or this new one's gonna
be A24.
SPEAKER_00 (31:27):
Oh, cool.
SPEAKER_01 (31:28):
Yeah, but A20, that's that that means that
means nothing anymore.
A24 is so big that it's now it'slike a saying something is a
Netflix original.
SPEAKER_00 (31:38):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (31:38):
Wow.
That means somebody else made itand then they just slap their
name on it.
Yeah.
Cool.
SPEAKER_00 (31:44):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (31:45):
The latest and greatest Friday the 13th content
is the Friday the 13th game.
SPEAKER_00 (31:49):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (31:50):
Called Friday the 13th the game.
SPEAKER_00 (31:52):
The video game.
SPEAKER_01 (31:53):
Yep.
I guess it's an it's anasymmetrical, what's the term?
It's an asymmetrical somethingwhere you either play as Jason
or you play as one of thecounselors.
SPEAKER_00 (32:03):
Oh, that's fun.
SPEAKER_01 (32:03):
And you're just one of the counselors running around
trying to survive.
It's an online only game becauseit's all live people, there's no
bots.
SPEAKER_00 (32:11):
Is that the one where I swam all for a long
time?
SPEAKER_01 (32:13):
That is correct.
You've played this game.
SPEAKER_00 (32:14):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (32:15):
Uh, and they've been trying to come out with a sequel
for a while.
Um, that's still in developmentuh to that game.
So uh that's uh again, it's aweird thing to put out that
game.
They came out like what, 2022,maybe?
SPEAKER_00 (32:27):
Yeah, sure.
SPEAKER_01 (32:28):
Weird thing that that came out in in 2020, if it
was 2022, but around then.
It was, yeah, it was aroundthen.
And then the previous theprevious movie was 2009.
That's a big gap in time.
SPEAKER_00 (32:41):
They know that people needed to scratch their
itch though.
SPEAKER_01 (32:44):
I guess so, but usually that is in tandem with
some kind of movie or TV showrelease.
So I actually just Googled, itwas 2017.
SPEAKER_00 (32:52):
Oh, time flies when there's a pandemic.
SPEAKER_01 (32:55):
Yeah, I guess so.
Wow, I I didn't realize that'sbeen that long.
Uh the new game, they're aimingfor 2026.
SPEAKER_00 (33:03):
All right, fingers crossed.
SPEAKER_01 (33:04):
So who knows?
SPEAKER_00 (33:05):
Who knows?
SPEAKER_01 (33:06):
This is all from one post on Reddit where Alan gets
all of his information.
But but this is from someonethat attended the Crystal Like
Nightmares, which is a Friday13th convention.
SPEAKER_00 (33:17):
Oh, that's fun.
We should go.
Now we're experts.
SPEAKER_01 (33:21):
And he he talked to Kane Hotter about it.
SPEAKER_00 (33:23):
Oh, that's cool.
SPEAKER_01 (33:24):
He said, I'm not involved.
SPEAKER_00 (33:27):
Well, why would he be?
SPEAKER_01 (33:28):
But he could have been bluffing.
SPEAKER_00 (33:30):
He's a according to this post.
He doesn't have any voiceacting.
Yeah, that's right.
SPEAKER_01 (33:35):
That's right.
SPEAKER_00 (33:36):
Yeah, what why would he be involved in the game?
SPEAKER_01 (33:39):
I I don't know, motion capture uses likeness.
SPEAKER_00 (33:42):
Sure.
SPEAKER_01 (33:43):
No, they wouldn't.
SPEAKER_00 (33:44):
Yeah.
One of my favorite parts of thisseries has to be the soundtrack.
The iconic song with its he hehe he he he he he he he ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha was actuallycreated by composer Harry
Manfredini.
Manfredini was whispering killmom into a microphone and
heavily echoing it.
Over the course of the 12movies, 10 different actors
(34:06):
played Jason, each bringingtheir own subtle differences to
the monster.
Freddie versus Jason ended upbeing the highest grossing film
in the franchise.
Jason Takes Manhattan was thelowest grossing film of the
bunch.
But overall, the series broughtin over$460 million worldwide,
making it one of thehighest-grossing horror
(34:26):
franchises in film history.
But back to a question that youasked me, Alan, at the very
beginning of this series.
SPEAKER_01 (34:33):
What was that?
SPEAKER_00 (34:34):
Is there any plot point that connects the series
to the Friday the 13th title atall?
SPEAKER_01 (34:39):
Uh, I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (34:40):
And as we now know, the title was originally only
selected for marketing reasons,and it was loosely worked into
the plot.
The film mentions that theoriginal killings at Camp
Crystal Lake began began onFriday the 13th when a young
Jason Vorhees drowned.
Pamela Vorhees' Rampage takesplace years later, also on a
(35:01):
Friday the 13th, supposedlymarking the anniversary of her
son's death.
After that, it never comes upagain.
Alright, Alan.
SPEAKER_01 (35:09):
So your favorite Friday the 13th movie of all
time is My favorite Friday the13th movie is Jason X.
My favorite movie in thefranchise is Freddie versus
Jason.
I just don't consider that to bea Friday the 13th movie.
It's far more a nightmare onApple Street.
SPEAKER_00 (35:28):
My favorite Friday the 13th movie is Friday the
13th, Jason Lives from 1986.
SPEAKER_01 (35:35):
What part is that?
Three, four, seven?
SPEAKER_00 (35:38):
Part six.
Which is the one where it startsin the cemetery and he gets sort
of re- Ah that one rocks.
Reanimated from a lightningbolt, from a metal rod from the
fence.
Just yeah, so good.
I love it.
SPEAKER_01 (35:52):
So it's that might be the met the best pure Friday
the 13th movie.
Yeah.
Jason X is crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (35:58):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (35:58):
But it's fun.
SPEAKER_00 (35:59):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, thank you guys so much forbeing here and listening to the
series.
It was really fun.
Again, I was surprised how funand not scary these movies were,
which was a bit of a relief.
We will be back very soon.
We have one more installment foryou, and then we're moving on to
some really fun topics to closeout the year.
(36:19):
Thank you as always so much forlistening.
We love you.
Stay spooky, stay safe.
We'll talk to you soon.
Bye.
Bye.
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