December 15, 2023 • 45 mins
Ever been caught in the crossfires of a heated conflict, feeling lost, alone, and overwhelmed? Join us, Lynn and Tony, as we share our personal journey through the recent Israeli-Hamas conflict, an intense period that led us to a necessary digital detox. Let us take you through the emotional rollercoaster we rode, and how we found solace and support in unexpected places - our local community.
Strap in as we deep-dive into compelling discussions on Jewish identity, trauma, and the power of empathy in a conflict-ridden world. We share a poignant journey of a Jewish woman who found her way back to her roots after being raised in a secular home. Discover how she navigates the turbulent waters of social media, the barrage of anti-Semitic messages, and the importance of knowing and sharing her history. Also, as content creators, we tackle our struggles head-on, confronting the backlash for advocating for Jewish people and Israel, highlighting the resilience needed in these challenging times.
But it's not all serious. We promise laughter, love, and a healthy dose of reality as we recount our first year of parenthood, the joy, the sleepless nights, and the indescribable love that a child brings. We also recap our recent trip to London, filled with football, food, and activism - a noteworthy blend of fun, adventure, and advocacy. Prepare to experience life through our lens!
Chapters
00:00
Introduction and Mental State
02:29
Finding Community and Connecting with Faith
10:02
Coping with the Heavy Energy
14:18
Supporting Each Other and Processing Emotions
23:22
Celebrating the Podcast's Anniversary and Reflecting on the Past Year
37:25
Trip to London and Manchester
42:47
New Jersey Real Estate License and Cold Plunging
43:44
Upcoming Christmas Plans
Your hosts: @lynnhazan_ and @tonydoesknow
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, welcome to the Lynn and Tony Know podcast.
I'm your host, lynn.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And I'm Tony.
We are both wellness coachesand married with kids.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Join us as we talk about all things health,
wellness, relationships, lifehacks, parenting and everything
in between unfiltered.
Thanks for listening and let'sget into it.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
It has been a whole minute, yes, a minute.
That's felt like a year.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah, our last episode was October 11th, I
believe.
Yeah, somewhere around thereand I actually listened to it
recently because I feel like Idon't even remember where I like
mentally, where I was at thattime, and it was a very hard
listen for me because of justthe mental state that I was in.
(00:47):
And you know, of course wewanted to continue the podcast
but it was just the energy wasso heavy and I personally just
couldn't really talk about it.
Yeah, and we're talking about,you know, the war.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Right, we're talking, obviously talking about the war
and Israel versus Hamas rightnow, but also our general tone
is not super heavy.
I mean, we talk about, we takeon some pretty serious topics,
but in the midst of all theenergy that has been swirling
around everywhere, it justdidn't feel particularly
(01:25):
authentic.
It was authentic to keep goingat that moment with what we were
doing, simply, if nothing else,because we just weren't in the
headspace for it.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I mean, I think for me personally it was too much.
Especially being in the socialmedia space, I felt just
completely exhausted and becauseI'm Jewish and Israeli, I felt
like I wasn't given a moment togrieve, like even before Israel
(01:55):
was in Gaza, before the warstarted.
Essentially I was just gettinggaslit on social media and
seeing the anti-Semitism andseeing people that I used to
think were like my friend andcolleagues and things like that,
(02:16):
kind of almost celebrating whathappened and not necessarily
celebrating but justifying it.
That was really heartbreakingfor me and I think I needed to
just be offline for a little bitand focus on just day to day.
I literally took a few weeksoff social media.
(02:36):
I kind of went dark because itwas just like too much and too
much to cope.
How do you view that time?
For us it's a blur right now.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
It's sort of a blur.
So the process that I've beengoing through with all of this
is one that when it firststarted it was very
all-consuming.
It was front and center energy.
Our energy was being directedat it almost in its entirety,
(03:13):
and I gave myself and usobviously a lot of grace to do
that.
Other things were falling bythe wayside, this podcast
included, and it's like okay,that's okay.
The moment is calling forsomething different right now
and I'm okay with that.
Now, over the past month or so,what has started to crystallize
(03:36):
for me is that now I have tomake space for this without it
being the only thing that I'mpaying attention to, right,
because it's not just a momentin time now.
Maybe when we zoom out on thecourse of 10 years, this will be
a moment in time, and I hopethat it does, because I don't
want it to draw out any longerthan it has to, but it's now.
(03:57):
It's part of our daily lives,is understanding and staying
informed and seeing what's goingon and making our voices heard
where we feel appropriate.
So it's integrating this pieceof our life into everything else
we have going on which is quitea bit.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
And I think for me specifically, what helped me get
through this was finding mycommunity, specifically in
Jersey City, finding the Jewishcommunity or the community of
people who support the Jewishcommunity so it's not just
Jewish people.
That really helped, because atthe beginning I felt like really
alone and I felt like it waslike everything was like again,
(04:38):
like I was like just like aloneon an island and because I'm
advocating for Jews and Israel,that I was against everybody
else.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I mean and that's what it felt at first and then
starting to talk to otherfriends who are in the Jewish
community and making new onesand we organized a few rallies
to bring home the hostages andkind of just developed into this
community that we were aboutlike 150 people in like a what's
(05:16):
up group and I have anothergroup of Jewish moms that we
talked to and that's been reallyhelpful is seeking community
offline, and I think before thisI always felt like I didn't
have necessarily a community andlike I didn't have enough
friends.
Now I feel like I have too manyfriends.
(05:38):
Like, I have a lot of friendsand you know, if you're
listening and you're kind ofwondering like you're in the
same boat and it's hard to copeand you feel alone go offline
and meet people, like meetpeople that are in your
community.
There are so, especially now,like the Jewish community is out
there and they're planningevents and they're loud and
proud and I love that and youknow, and it's really wonderful
(06:00):
and healing and the silverlining of this tragedy is that I
feel a lot more connected tothe community.
I feel more connected to myfaith, I feel more connected to
Israel.
I feel, yeah, it's, that's thesilver lining of all this.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Go into the piece a bit about being more connected
to your faith.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I grew up in a secular home.
My parents are Israeli, I'mJewish.
We celebrate the holidays moreof a tradition thing, in a way
of like.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Like I celebrate Christmas.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah, it's like a reason to eat and drink and
spend time with family.
I did go to a private Jewishschool when I lived in Montreal.
Even then, I was always curious.
I remember being a kid and allmy friends were a little bit
more religious.
I would go to their homes forShabbat dinner.
I was always curious about thataspect.
(07:01):
Because I was in a secular home, it was kind of like I was in
and out.
My parents don't believe in God.
They have their reasons.
Maybe we'll bring them over toask them.
I always found myself kind oflike a spiritual person and
connected.
I think that when we gotmarried we had a Jewish wedding.
(07:24):
When we got married and you'renot being Jewish, I was like,
okay, I want to maybe level upthe Judaism a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
You need to make up for my lack of, just because I
want to make sure that my kidsare Jewish.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
It is important to me .
We're only like 17 million inthe whole world.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I think they're Jewish by default.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
They are, but I want them to have that experience and
education, knowing that theygrow up and they are Jewish.
So we started doing more of theholidays and everything.
And then this happened and Ifeel even more wanting to know
more and learn more and we'vebeen doing Shabbat dinner every
(08:05):
Friday.
We went to Temple last week,which was here in Jersey City.
The rabbi invited us and I waslike, yeah, why not, let's go?
And it was the first time inyears since I've been to Temple
for Shabbat.
I've been to Temple for barmitzvahs and things like that,
but I haven't been in years,since I'm 16, essentially.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
That was like 15 years ago.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, literally More than that.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Don't do that, yeah, don't do that, don't do that,
don't do the math.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I was trying to.
I was like, wait a second, thisdoesn't make sense.
And we went to last Friday andit was really beautiful.
And I'm reading from the prayerbook Noah's crawling all over
the floor.
Yeah, noah's doing her thing.
We're in the Temple and I'mreading from the prayer book and
it all came back to me, all theprayers, and it was nice.
It felt like a warm hug, likeI'm being held by this higher
(09:00):
power.
It felt really healing.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Hashem.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Hashem.
Yeah, it felt really healingand beautiful and started taking
little Torah lessons online.
Whenever I can, I try to readthe weekly Torah segment or
whatever, and it's been fun.
I'm not saying we're going toturn full I do like shrimp and
bacon and all that stuff so butit's been nice exploring that
(09:27):
side and also learning moreabout our history and being able
to speak on it, because peopleknow that I'm Jewish and I'm
Israeli and there's so muchpropaganda out there and so many
lies and things are beingtwisted and our history is being
(09:48):
rewritten and erased and Ithink I have the responsibility
to know my history and know thetruth so I can tell people
whether I'm out and about or Ican tell my children.
So, yeah, so that's where weare and it's been nice, like I
feel.
Yeah, it feels good.
(10:09):
It's been.
That's been like how I've beencoping with all this madness.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, it's been interesting from my point of
view to see sort of theevolution of your grip on this
thing Right, like the firstthree weeks in particular were
just hellacious, just very hard,like when I think about the
(10:36):
moments in time where it wasjust so hard, everything Right
Because you can't really thinkclearly.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
No, you can't really think clearly and I feel like
people were expecting me,especially on social media, to
debunk everything.
And it's just so many peoplewere.
I was getting so manyanti-Semitic DM messages and
just the worst stuff.
(11:03):
I don't even want to Like, itdoesn't even deserve attention,
but the worst stuff.
That is like while I'm, at thesame time, trying to cope with
this disaster and this traumaand this re-traumatizing because
I did grow up in Israel duringa volatile time and it's like I
was re-traumatized with thisbecause it's like it brought
(11:26):
back memories and things that Iwent through as a kid and people
chanting wrong lived in Tafadawhen I lived in Israel during
the Tafada, when I experiencedit, and it's really triggering
and it's really tough and peopleexpecting me to just go on
social media and talk about itwhen I'm dealing with this agony
(11:48):
.
It was like agony, pain and Ijust couldn't do it and I
couldn't do it.
And now I feel a little bitmore confident in being able to
have these discussions withpeople.
Of course, I still get someawful messages and I just I
(12:08):
block people.
Like I've blocked 100 pluspeople at this point and you
have to block it out.
And I think I try to focus onthe positives and the people who
actually are willing to listenand are willing to have a
conversation and are willing tolearn the facts and not just
take sides.
And I said this the other daywe're expected in the world that
(12:32):
we live in, we're expected topick a side.
And when you pick a side, youdon't look at, you lose your
empathy, you lose your humanity.
And when people pick a side thepeople tearing down posters of
hostages they're so rooted inthis side that they've chosen
that they can't see thehumanists of the other side.
(12:56):
I see both.
I'm devastated for Palestinians.
I see the devastation and I seeeverything that goes on there
and my heart breaks and I canhold space for Palestinians and
I can hold space for Israelis.
This has been a conflict thathas been part of my whole life
my whole life.
My whole life.
When I was a teenager, I wasvery into the political world.
(13:21):
I was like a peacenik, I waslike far left and I was giving
out flyers for two-statesolution and I was part of an
exchange program writing letterswith Palestinian students.
Like I always had this hopethat I would grow up and there
wouldn't be no IDF anymore, thatthere would be no terrorism,
(13:45):
that we would be livingpeacefully alongside each other
my whole life.
So seeing this devastation fromboth sides is incredibly
heartbreaking, and I can saythat, and that's what it's.
Just I feel like we've all likejust lost our shit.
We've all lost it.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, there's certainly a collective madness
that is hanging over this at themoment and probably until it
ends, but you seem to have foundyour port in the storm a little
bit with, especially with, thecommunity that you helped
cultivate, and I was going toask you what the difference
(14:30):
between handling this two monthsago and handling it now, and
you sort of answered, I imagine,your question.
Yeah, I think it's havingcommunity.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
It's just having more confidence and time I was given
I gave myself.
I wasn't given the time I gavemyself.
I took the time to process.
I took the time to grieve.
I think for a month and a halfI was depressed Like I was.
(14:58):
I was not work, tony had totake care of a lot of stuff in
the household and I was in mysweatpants Like I did the bare
minimum, the bare minimum.
I wasn't doing great mentallyand I feel like I'm slowly and I
think springing into action andbeing part of this community
and doing things in thecommunity, planning events and
(15:20):
talking to friends and doingthose things has helped me move
through these feelings.
But they're still there.
Every day I wake up and it'sOctober 7th to me every single
day and I think it's going to belike that for a very long time,
because this still happens andit still plays in my head and I
(15:43):
still see all the videos andit's still going on.
It's still very real, but it'sjust part of me now, you know,
it just kind of become part ofme and I think it'll, and that's
I think every Jewish person andPalestinian.
You know this is part of us.
This is something that iscarried with us through our day
(16:05):
to day lives and we're expectedto pay the bills and take care
of our homes.
And while this is still goingon, and every morning I wake up
and I'm like what am I going toread about today?
You know what's going to happentoday, like what?
And I brace myself.
But yeah, time, yeah Time,people and community that's how
(16:31):
you heal from this, I guess.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yeah, that's about the recipe and just letting
yourself right, just lettingyourself feel whatever is there
in any given moment.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Like do you remember when we did that, so Tony helped
me with some breathing exercise?
Do you remember how, what alike in a mental space I was in?
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, it was the.
It was probably the first time.
Well, let me set the table herea little bit on what happened.
So obviously we've talked aboutthe community of men that I'm a
part of the growth,growth-centered,
wellness-centered and I haveregular coaching calls with the
senior people in thatorganization and one of them is
(17:24):
very tuned in with the energeticfield and with meditation and
leads a lot of guidedmeditations.
I had a call with him thatnight and beforehand I asked him
if I could bring you on to beon the call with me to kind of
work through some stuff togetheraround what was happening.
And he said, of course, and sohe took us to a guided
meditation that brought up a lotfor you, like you were.
(17:46):
It was the first time that youwere really going there.
I feel like Like so much fightor flight had taken place over
the previous.
I think this was like threeweeks in that you weren't really
able to like just be okay,feeling all the sadness that you
had and that just bubbled up tothe surface very intensely.
And then, towards the end ofthe call, he recommended that I
(18:11):
facilitate you in some of thebreathwork exercises that we do
in this group, which is a formof breathwork called SRI, which
is somatic respiratoryintegration, and I took you
through some of the firstexercises in that and it
actually felt like you got evendeeper with, particularly the
(18:32):
sadness and the suffering thatyou were going through.
And one of the outcomes ofsuccessfully getting with the
suffering that's there for youcan be laughter and joy, because
ultimately, when you movethrough the experience fully and
experience it all the way tothe end, you'll find joy, you'll
find gratitude, you'll findlaughter and at the end of the
(18:53):
exercise you started dyinglaughing.
I was leaning over you.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I was like I was like crying and laughing.
It was like, yeah, I was like alittle crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, but it was because you were expressing
yourself fully and allowingyourself to go there.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
That really worked its magic.
Yeah, I mean the only way toget through it is to get through
it and to feel it.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
And I still struggle with it sometimes.
Like there's this I feel likenatural instinct of pushing the
feelings down because they're souncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, it's also an instinct for you in particular,
that's been reinforced over andover again through your attempts
at expressing yourself, throughwhat's happening and being told
that you're wrong or that I'm ababy killer.
So yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
And I want to talk about this specifically, and I
don't want to talk about thiswhole thing, this whole episode,
but all the messages that I'vereceived about a dozen messages
and I'm always open to discourse, I'm open to talking, I'm open
to different opinions 100%.
I follow a ton of people that Idon't necessarily agree with,
because I want to see adifferent perspective.
(20:03):
You know, what I mean.
I want to be open to that, andthe DMs that I get that are very
anti-Semitic always start withI really loved following you, or
I really like following you,but why do you support murdering
Palestinians?
Why do you support killingbabies?
(20:25):
And it's so horrible andmanipulative.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah, I know, it's a straw man.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
But why do they start with?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
I really liked following you, but I don't know,
I don't know, to make it moreimpactful.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah, it's like oh, you don't like following me
anymore, because Because I'madvocating for, for Jewish
people, like for you know what Imean.
Like it's just like a weird itjust like I've noticed that's
like the pattern, it's likeliterally the I like following
you.
Like you know, I used to lovefollowing you, I love your page,
(21:07):
but why do you hail Satan?
You know what I mean.
Like in what world does thatlike become the message?
You know me advocating forJewish people and Me advocating
for Israel, and I again, I don'tnecessarily agree with
everything the Israeligovernment does.
Like I, we were, we weremarching against, against in
(21:28):
y'all like I.
Yeah, like we're.
You know, I don't necessarilyagree with everything the
Israeli government does and Idon't agree, I don't like.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, it's just nobody agrees with their
government.
100% time, in fact, in ourcountry, oh, 50% of the people
don't yeah.
Most always.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
It's rough out there.
It's hard being a.
It's hard being a contentcreator and Jewish right now.
Yeah very hard.
Yeah, it's very, very hard andyou know, I I don't have such
the largest following and I seethat some Influencers who have
been advocating, who have a lotmore and they get, they get beat
(22:09):
up and I don't know how they doit.
No like it's hard to tune itout sometimes.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I'm sure it's hard for them to tune out sometimes.
Yeah well, but you know, Iguess, I guess, when it comes to
that type of constant assault,you have to find an anchor of
why you're doing it and makethat why so much bigger and so
much.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah powerful than any of the hateful, and that's
what I've been trying to do andI think I've been getting better
at that.
That.
I I know where my heart is andI, and and Nobody can tell me
where my heart stands.
Right, you know and you can saywhatever you want about me, but
I know where, where my heart is,and I try to really focus on
(22:50):
that you know it's a beautifultactic and for and, for the most
part, most of the people thatI've spoken to, even if they
don't agree, have respected my,my views and have taken the time
to to listen and have, you know, productive conversations, and
to me that's all that matters,yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Certainly matters far more than any of the yeah look
at me, negativity that comesthrough.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah, for sure yeah.
Okay okay we talked about that.
We let that out.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
It's done.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
We can, you know, get back to the podcast, because we
got it.
You know we got to move on withlife.
Yes we got to keep life going.
Yes and it is you know, and I'msure we'll probably bring this
back up.
You know, I'd love to Bring onsome guests in the future to
talk a little bit more, buttoday I texted Tony.
(23:46):
I was like we have to record anepisode today.
Why because tomorrow is ourwhat.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
It'll technically be today when you say this yeah,
the world at large right sotoday is the.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Today is the one year anniversary of the podcast, a
Nois birthday.
So if you've been, you know,listening since the beginning,
you know that we released ourfirst episode While I was in
labor first two first twoepisodes.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Wow.
Yeah while I was in labor.
And now we are a year later andwe have this cute little studio
and we have a cute little baby.
You, a little baby who's?
Speaker 2 (24:31):
almost walking.
What if we just switched Noah'sbirthday party to a LTK
birthday party?
Tell anybody.
Yeah, that's how it is.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
For the rest of time, I don't really know, it's her
birthday, you know, but what ayear this has been Uh
indescribable it's been both thebest and hardest year of my
life.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
last year was really good yeah but like in, like this
child has brought me so muchjoy, totally and purpose.
But at the same time you knowpostpartum and everything going
on in the world and you knowjust everything, just the
climate of everything has beenreally hard and I think to
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myself like fuck, if I didn'thave Noah, like I would be in a
dark place Because you know myMia's 11 and she of course
brings me a lot of joy, but shehas like her own life, she has
her own things, you know.
But I'm so busy with Noah thatlike I can't get into that dark
place Because I just can't, likeI have literally responsibility
(25:43):
, like I'm with her almost all,pretty much all day, taking care
of her from morning, so I needto like and she, she's cute and
happy and does cute things andit's like no what's and it snaps
me.
It like literally snaps me outof it, yeah, and sometimes I'll
be on my phone and she'llliterally grab my phone like
she'd like commands.
She demands attention and Ireally think that the last
(26:07):
couple of months she Helped me.
Like I know she's only a yearold and she doesn't know what
she's actually doing, but havingher To take care of her has
given me purpose and has made menot sing into a Deep, yeah,
dark hole.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Hard to be depressed around her.
She's adorable.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
She's the best, and what a year this has been taking
care of her.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah, whirlwind.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Like it goes by so fast, instantly, like we, when
we release this podcast, we werein the thick of it.
In the thick you know we were.
How did we even record episodes?
Like in the newborn, like no,like you need to show like old
footage of me like in in, likesweatpants, and like day old
(26:56):
sweatpants would like Spit upall over me like Noah, like just
hanging out in my arms liketiny you know?
Like how did we do it?
I?
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Don't know, it was one of those things and this is
the only way I can describe itwas just one of those things
where you just had to getthrough it.
So you did like, obviouslywe're going to figure this out
somehow, but I don't think therewas no like practical.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Do you remember the sleepless nights?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Yeah, I remember specifically the one night where
we were I Read maybe it was methat read something somewhere
that turn on the red lights.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Instead of turning the lights on when you wake up
and get be with the babies, soit doesn't mess up your
circadian rhythm or whatever.
And we did that once, I think,yeah.
Waking up and turning on thoselights and it just felt like an
absolute freak shows, likeeverything in our room was red,
baby screaming I'm trying tochange your diaper feeder,
(27:55):
rocker back to sleep and I wasjust like no, I can't like, even
if I don't care how messed upmy sleep is, I cannot do these
red terror lights.
Yeah, it's while I'm dealingwith absolute chaos, like it's
making it worse, but that was, IWas just a time.
You get through.
You just get through it.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
It feels like so long ago now, 100%, and she still
wakes up sometimes.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah, but it's like it's, but it gets.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
It's, do you think?
Do you think, now that she'salmost one, do you think it's
easier than when she was aninfant?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Parts of it are easier and parts of it are
harder.
The nights are One thousandpercent easier.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
The days are Slightly more complicated going out with
her is much harder going outwith her is way harder, but like
as if you okay.
So if you have an infant, yeah,you might be exhausted and not
sleeping at night and just a hotmess.
But when you take the baby outthey're generally just quiet,
like in the stroller.
(28:56):
They take net.
They sleep a ton.
The older they get, the morelike mischievous, mischievous
curious, needing to like.
You know like you have to besuper strategic, going to a
restaurant Like you can't justput, put them in the cart in the
high chair right away becausethey'll get bored.
(29:17):
So you either have to orderfood right away, bring snacks,
bring a toy, you know, let themlike walk around, or crawl
around if you can't, or likehave them like move around
before you strap them in, youknow, the the high chair, and
Then you just like it's survival.
It's like give them snacks,milk, you know milk, give them
(29:41):
like toys, just keep you like.
I feel like when I'm eatinglunch, I'm just like, okay,
what's it?
I feel like I'm like MacGyver,you know.
Like what's the next thing?
Like today I get a gate.
Was she got bored?
I was like here's a salt shaker.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Like here's a slender packet like she's a combination
lock that changes combinationsevery day and you, just, you
just want them to remain calm.
Yeah, but all of that said it'shard it is hard, but I wouldn't
trade this hard for that hardagain, if that makes sense.
Yeah yeah, hard is the sleep.
(30:16):
I mean you're tradingeverything else for sleep.
It's also like as a woman.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Postpartum is brutal because you're also recovering
physically and I'm finally backto like my Fighting weight my,
that's not even just aboutweight, but I feel healthy, I
feel fit, I feel like like myclothes, fit.
You know what I mean.
Like I, so I don't.
I'm not like thinking aboutcons, you know you're like I
feel like all.
(30:41):
Maybe I feel like all women area little consumed by like the
postpartum.
Like you feel like shit, likeyou're recovering and like you,
yeah, and not having that takeup any men Mental space like is
definitely the best, but it took.
It took pretty much almost awhole year, almost.
Yeah, you know where I like.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Oh, you know, like I can wear normal jeans and yeah
yeah, yeah, right about the timeyou got to take that off your
mental load.
The war started.
Yeah, yeah, yeah right aboutjust replaced, just replaced it
replaced it Definitely helped melose the last two pounds.
(31:22):
I have no doubt.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Sadly.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah, we made it to a year made it a year.
She is thriving.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
How are we doing like marriage-wise?
Speaker 2 (31:37):
marriage-wise is like .
Of all the things we've had toworry about in the past year,
that is simply not one of them.
We've had to pay attention.
There's been, you know, there'sbeen weeks where it's like, ah,
we have not Paid enoughattention to each other, but
it's never been like you're notgiving me enough attention, it's
like we just notice yeah wenotice and we bring it up and
(31:59):
then we Correct as best we canand you know We've sprinkled in
a couple trips here and therethat have helped keep us like
together, where we're like justwith each other.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
So our marriage is beautiful and One of the what
are tips for couples like goingthrough all this heaviness, how,
because it can be easy to like,just like a Sort of abandon
your relationship or yourmarriage because, like it's
everything so heavy, like how,like it's hard being romantic
(32:30):
and it's hard planning datenights and having sex and things
like that, when, like theenergy is so heavy and it's so
intense, like what, like how didwe do it?
So?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
like, what happened early on is and I know we're
like kind of past the, the warstuff, but it this is kind of
where it started to take shapeis In the first week.
Even I noticed at one pointlike we were both just in our
own Depressed bubbles about yeah, I remember that just existing
(33:02):
in the house and kind offloating around yeah in our own
shit About what was going on,and not like we're experiencing
it in the same room butseparately.
So the first piece of advice Iwould give is to Let each other
in.
Like, just let each other infor real, where you are with it.
Like not either one has to beStronger for the other one, not
(33:22):
either one has to put on a braveface and just suck it up so the
other one doesn't feel.
You know, there's no power inthat.
The only power you can get as acouple is to experience it
fully with each other.
Like if I'm going Through itand I'm feeling a certain way, I
got to get over the hump oflike, well, I need to be strong
for her because, first of all,you're gonna feel it, whether I
(33:43):
say it or not, you're gonna feelsomething in the air.
And number two, there is onlypower in the vulnerability.
Like if I share with you thatI'm really feeling heaviness and
I'm feeling hurt and sadness,all these things, you're not
gonna look at him and go well, Ican't count on him.
He's feeling.
So that's the biggest one.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Yeah, now I remember there was like one night
specifically like I was justlike on the couch like on Doom
scrolling and you were like youjust like came into the room and
you had like phone calls Iguess schedule and you're like
I'm gonna cancel my calls and Iwant to hang out with you Like.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I think we need to hang out and like you you got a
moat like.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
You got a little bit like emotional.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah, yeah for sure, because, like that was when I
realized what was happening.
Yeah, like we were, we wereexperiencing this thing
completely isolated from eachother, not on purpose, just
that's just what happened.
So that's, that's the firstpiece for me, and probably the
biggest and of course you know,thematically, it's the rest of
your relationship too Is thatwould be the best practice is to
(34:47):
be able to share whateveryou're feeling or going through.
Yeah and the second part,especially when so much
attention of ours is required inso many places right now.
You have to be pretty strategic, like you have to be
intentional, like you're notjust gonna be able to up and be
like, oh yeah, we have now, wehave some time here to like
(35:07):
let's do something.
It's no, you're gonna have topay attention and really weave
it in where it can be, where itcan fit.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
So and I also think is like is Jumping on the micro
moments.
Like you might not have longmoments because, especially when
things feel like intense andall over the place, having those
micro moments of just love andaffection and attention whenever
you can, whether it's likesending a cute text, whether
it's sliding in their DMs or,you know, a nice long hug in the
(35:39):
morning, those like those areso important to continue.
You know, if you don't havetime for like a date night or
just things are feel like toomuch.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, like doing those littlethings.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Yeah, the the scale is tipped heavily in favor of
quality versus quantity when itcomes to intimate moments Like
you're speaking to, like mine,it does not have to be this long
, elaborate, drawn-out thing,like just connecting in a single
moment and being real and beingpresent, being a hundred
percent there with each otherand go a long way.
Yeah, right, so it.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
And of course, the, the bigger, more elaborate
intimate moments are great, butwhen you don't have the space
for that, in that in a week or amonth or whatever, it is, and
these are habits in general thatare good to have always, so
that when things feel a littlebit Heavy and sad and intense,
that used to have those habitsin place, that it's just like,
(36:34):
it's not like, it's not even athought.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah, no, like you can't just you can't just pull
these out of nowhere, right whenit happens.
These are all foundationalthings that need to exist in
your relationship so that, whenthe heaviness comes, when the
crisis comes, when Whatever iscoming through that you have no
control of and is going to starttaking your energy, you can
just crank the dial a little bitright.
You can consciously be likelike open that valve and be like
(36:58):
, alright, this is something I'mgonna have to pay attention to
as well, or else it's gonna getlost in a shuffle.
But you don't stand a chance todo that unless it's already
there.
Yeah, so those, those are thetwo major things that I would
say you would want to have inplace.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Or, or times like this, yeah, yeah, let's talk a
little bit about what you knowour listeners miss, like what
we've been, what we've done,like our trip to London.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Oh, we went to London and it was such a banging good
time In it, wonderful in it.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Oh, so I surprised Tony for his birthday with trip
to London and tickets to seeManchester City and which is his
favorite team of all times.
Yeah and how was that?
Speaker 2 (37:46):
it was Amazing.
London looks and Manchester forthat matter, the area that we
were in.
We were in like the northernNorth-east part of Manchester
hanging out after the game.
In both London and Manchesterjust look like movie sets, like
every Storefront is immaculate,the streets are clean, like the
(38:06):
decor, and any restaurant you goto is top tier.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Yeah, it's cute.
It's really and of course, wewent to a huge March against
anti-Semitism yeah the largest,of course.
Europe.
Yeah, I think it was pretty, itwas like comedy.
Hundred thousand thousand.
Yeah, it was beautiful.
Yeah it was so nice to be partof and like this crazy scenery
and, yeah, it was very peaceful.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
No, it was yeah, like the whole trip.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yeah epic.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
It was amazing trip.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
It was our first time away from Noah.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yes, it was shout out , mom and dad.
They killed it while we weregone, like you know, not a.
That was scary, a little scaryfor me.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
But I think I handle it really well.
I know that really well, like Ihandle it better than I, but
there was nothing I think wewere so busy that I like didn't
have a chance to be like I missmy baby only on the flight back
I was like I cannot wait to kissher.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yeah but at that point at least there's a light
at the end of the time.
Yeah you didn't spend.
Yeah, you didn't spend any timelike worried about yeah, I was
it unbelievable, such a goodfeeling to be able to like have
our first trip away and Thenalso have like the ability to
like just goof off.
Yeah, things we do when we'reby ourselves.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
We're like.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
We're like teenagers absolute children In the best
way we said.
We had so much fun, we wait,waited in line for literally
everything.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
We never do that.
Yeah, wouldn't they wait inline for anything we waited in
line for like an hour and a halffor this Indian restaurant
called the shum Everyone told usto go to and it was like listen
, who am I to argue with?
Like everybody and it like.
I saw the line and I was likethis place must be good, like
it's huge.
It's also huge like two twofloors and there's this massive
(39:46):
line, and they were like it wascold as shit.
And it straight up lied aboutand they like kept giving out
like shots, shots and like chaitea, and I was like we're
waiting, you know, like we'rewaiting for this and it was so
worth it, it was delicious and Iwas like, all right, I guess
London is like a waiting in linetype of deal and we did and and
how was?
Speaker 2 (40:06):
the soccer game, though, like it was a lot of fun
it was.
It was very cool to see it inperson and kind of get to feel
how fast it is in real time, andAlso the fans need to wake tf
up that was weird, like the fanswere so quiet.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
I was like I was, like I was looking forward to,
like Getting out some likeenergy and like screaming and
being like, yeah, fuck you, no,fuck you know.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Like yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
You know like, I don't know like, just like, a
little like it was a lot scream,you know, and everyone was like
, it was like crickets.
I was like what is happening?
Why is everybody so stuck up?
Where am I?
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
I can't Begin to defend the matches or city fans,
wake the fuck up.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yeah, they did, it was really very quiet.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
I was like at an opera.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
It's like fan base, they're spoiled, spoiled.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
They go in expecting that's why they they lost a few
games recently.
No, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Anyway, this is not a sports podcast.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
I don't know anything about sports, but you called
that you.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
You were like Like what is everybody so quiet?
Speaker 1 (41:19):
like I was waiting.
I was like let's go, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
I wanted to like see some like you know man stuff,
you know you go to sports.
You want to like that's thepoint I mean, I remember you
like living in Montreal, I usedto go to hockey games and I get
so route, route, like I'm, so,like not a violent person.
So I guess, like when you putme in that situation, like I, it
gets exciting for me becauseI'm like in real life.
(41:43):
We're never you know, I don'tknow it's like, you know it's
very, it's contained and likeit's acceptable you know they
say yeah, so like I would go tohockey games and like when they
would like take the gloves offand start like beating each
other up, I'm like, yeah, I likeswear in French Canadian.
You know like I see, yeah, go.
You know like it's fun.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, no, I was like waiting for that.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
I feel like I we need to go to some like football
games so I can get that that hit.
Yeah, maybe but anyway it wasfun.
It was fun and we had fish andchips and yes, we did Chips and
gravy we did some good eating.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
This is really yeah, I was very surprised.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
I mean, I don't know why.
It's obviously metropolitancity, they're gonna have a great
culinary scene, but no, youdon't hear anybody talk about
yeah, like nobody goes there andtalks like, oh my god, the food
was great, but it was.
Yeah, it was really good.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
So what else did?
Did people mess?
Speaker 2 (42:38):
I got my New Jersey real estate license.
Mazel tov and I will be openfor business.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
We'll say this is our sponsored ad for today.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
This is our ad break.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
It's $10, please, I'm proud of you, babe.
Yeah, let's make this money.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
We will be open for business in January, I would say
amazing.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Time to go and I'm sure people want to know about
our cold plunging.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Yeah, it's been a little hot and cold with the
vacation.
There were a couple days wherewe felt like we were getting
sick.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
We haven't been really we haven't been religious
.
We haven't been religious aboutit, because, yeah, things are,
but we've been doing it likewe've been, at least once or
twice a week been doing it.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
We'll be back.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yeah, we're tomorrow birthday plunge tomorrow, yeah
so but that's been fun.
A Little bit hard in the winterand I'm gonna lie, it's really
hard, it's really hard.
Yeah, it's all day.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
No, it's yeah, dude, it's three hours of your day.
Yeah, just boom cold.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Yeah, that is I.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Think that's it.
I mean, it's the holidays nowand we're gearing up for
Christmas.
We're gonna go to Tony's familyin West Virginia.
Yeah and I'm so excited for noone not to be my problem for
four or five days.
I'm gonna be sitting on thecouch.
I don't want anybody botheringme.
I'm gonna be watching Christmasmovies while eating snacks.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
I plan on gaining one and a half pounds.
I.
Specifically specifically, Iplan on drinking eggnog, so make
sure your mom gets them for me,and that's it.
Like pajama, I want flannelpajamas.
Couch, leave me alone.
(44:25):
I'm gonna make brisket, andthat's it.
Okay, that'll be enough tomarry Chris Maka perfect, All
right all right, that's it fortoday, and we're so excited to
be back.
Yeah, thanks for listening.
Bye, bye.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
You.
Hey, welcome to the Lynn and Tony Know podcast.
I'm your host, lynn.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And I'm Tony.
We are both wellness coachesand married with kids.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Join us as we talk about all things health,
wellness, relationships, lifehacks, parenting and everything
in between unfiltered.
Thanks for listening and let'sget into it.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
It has been a whole minute, yes, a minute.
That's felt like a year.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah, our last episode was October 11th, I
believe.
Yeah, somewhere around thereand I actually listened to it
recently because I feel like Idon't even remember where I like
mentally, where I was at thattime, and it was a very hard
listen for me because of justthe mental state that I was in.
(00:47):
And you know, of course wewanted to continue the podcast
but it was just the energy wasso heavy and I personally just
couldn't really talk about it.
Yeah, and we're talking about,you know, the war.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Right, we're talking, obviously talking about the war
and Israel versus Hamas rightnow, but also our general tone
is not super heavy.
I mean, we talk about, we takeon some pretty serious topics,
but in the midst of all theenergy that has been swirling
around everywhere, it justdidn't feel particularly
(01:25):
authentic.
It was authentic to keep goingat that moment with what we were
doing, simply, if nothing else,because we just weren't in the
headspace for it.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I mean, I think for me personally it was too much.
Especially being in the socialmedia space, I felt just
completely exhausted and becauseI'm Jewish and Israeli, I felt
like I wasn't given a moment togrieve, like even before Israel
(01:55):
was in Gaza, before the warstarted.
Essentially I was just gettinggaslit on social media and
seeing the anti-Semitism andseeing people that I used to
think were like my friend andcolleagues and things like that,
(02:16):
kind of almost celebrating whathappened and not necessarily
celebrating but justifying it.
That was really heartbreakingfor me and I think I needed to
just be offline for a little bitand focus on just day to day.
I literally took a few weeksoff social media.
(02:36):
I kind of went dark because itwas just like too much and too
much to cope.
How do you view that time?
For us it's a blur right now.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
It's sort of a blur.
So the process that I've beengoing through with all of this
is one that when it firststarted it was very
all-consuming.
It was front and center energy.
Our energy was being directedat it almost in its entirety,
(03:13):
and I gave myself and usobviously a lot of grace to do
that.
Other things were falling bythe wayside, this podcast
included, and it's like okay,that's okay.
The moment is calling forsomething different right now
and I'm okay with that.
Now, over the past month or so,what has started to crystallize
(03:36):
for me is that now I have tomake space for this without it
being the only thing that I'mpaying attention to, right,
because it's not just a momentin time now.
Maybe when we zoom out on thecourse of 10 years, this will be
a moment in time, and I hopethat it does, because I don't
want it to draw out any longerthan it has to, but it's now.
(03:57):
It's part of our daily lives,is understanding and staying
informed and seeing what's goingon and making our voices heard
where we feel appropriate.
So it's integrating this pieceof our life into everything else
we have going on which is quitea bit.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
And I think for me specifically, what helped me get
through this was finding mycommunity, specifically in
Jersey City, finding the Jewishcommunity or the community of
people who support the Jewishcommunity so it's not just
Jewish people.
That really helped, because atthe beginning I felt like really
alone and I felt like it waslike everything was like again,
(04:38):
like I was like just like aloneon an island and because I'm
advocating for Jews and Israel,that I was against everybody
else.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I mean and that's what it felt at first and then
starting to talk to otherfriends who are in the Jewish
community and making new onesand we organized a few rallies
to bring home the hostages andkind of just developed into this
community that we were aboutlike 150 people in like a what's
(05:16):
up group and I have anothergroup of Jewish moms that we
talked to and that's been reallyhelpful is seeking community
offline, and I think before thisI always felt like I didn't
have necessarily a community andlike I didn't have enough
friends.
Now I feel like I have too manyfriends.
(05:38):
Like, I have a lot of friendsand you know, if you're
listening and you're kind ofwondering like you're in the
same boat and it's hard to copeand you feel alone go offline
and meet people, like meetpeople that are in your
community.
There are so, especially now,like the Jewish community is out
there and they're planningevents and they're loud and
proud and I love that and youknow, and it's really wonderful
(06:00):
and healing and the silverlining of this tragedy is that I
feel a lot more connected tothe community.
I feel more connected to myfaith, I feel more connected to
Israel.
I feel, yeah, it's, that's thesilver lining of all this.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Go into the piece a bit about being more connected
to your faith.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I grew up in a secular home.
My parents are Israeli, I'mJewish.
We celebrate the holidays moreof a tradition thing, in a way
of like.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Like I celebrate Christmas.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah, it's like a reason to eat and drink and
spend time with family.
I did go to a private Jewishschool when I lived in Montreal.
Even then, I was always curious.
I remember being a kid and allmy friends were a little bit
more religious.
I would go to their homes forShabbat dinner.
I was always curious about thataspect.
(07:01):
Because I was in a secular home, it was kind of like I was in
and out.
My parents don't believe in God.
They have their reasons.
Maybe we'll bring them over toask them.
I always found myself kind oflike a spiritual person and
connected.
I think that when we gotmarried we had a Jewish wedding.
(07:24):
When we got married and you'renot being Jewish, I was like,
okay, I want to maybe level upthe Judaism a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
You need to make up for my lack of, just because I
want to make sure that my kidsare Jewish.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
It is important to me .
We're only like 17 million inthe whole world.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I think they're Jewish by default.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
They are, but I want them to have that experience and
education, knowing that theygrow up and they are Jewish.
So we started doing more of theholidays and everything.
And then this happened and Ifeel even more wanting to know
more and learn more and we'vebeen doing Shabbat dinner every
(08:05):
Friday.
We went to Temple last week,which was here in Jersey City.
The rabbi invited us and I waslike, yeah, why not, let's go?
And it was the first time inyears since I've been to Temple
for Shabbat.
I've been to Temple for barmitzvahs and things like that,
but I haven't been in years,since I'm 16, essentially.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
That was like 15 years ago.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, literally More than that.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Don't do that, yeah, don't do that, don't do that,
don't do the math.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I was trying to.
I was like, wait a second, thisdoesn't make sense.
And we went to last Friday andit was really beautiful.
And I'm reading from the prayerbook Noah's crawling all over
the floor.
Yeah, noah's doing her thing.
We're in the Temple and I'mreading from the prayer book and
it all came back to me, all theprayers, and it was nice.
It felt like a warm hug, likeI'm being held by this higher
(09:00):
power.
It felt really healing.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Hashem.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Hashem.
Yeah, it felt really healingand beautiful and started taking
little Torah lessons online.
Whenever I can, I try to readthe weekly Torah segment or
whatever, and it's been fun.
I'm not saying we're going toturn full I do like shrimp and
bacon and all that stuff so butit's been nice exploring that
(09:27):
side and also learning moreabout our history and being able
to speak on it, because peopleknow that I'm Jewish and I'm
Israeli and there's so muchpropaganda out there and so many
lies and things are beingtwisted and our history is being
(09:48):
rewritten and erased and Ithink I have the responsibility
to know my history and know thetruth so I can tell people
whether I'm out and about or Ican tell my children.
So, yeah, so that's where weare and it's been nice, like I
feel.
Yeah, it feels good.
(10:09):
It's been.
That's been like how I've beencoping with all this madness.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, it's been interesting from my point of
view to see sort of theevolution of your grip on this
thing Right, like the firstthree weeks in particular were
just hellacious, just very hard,like when I think about the
(10:36):
moments in time where it wasjust so hard, everything Right
Because you can't really thinkclearly.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
No, you can't really think clearly and I feel like
people were expecting me,especially on social media, to
debunk everything.
And it's just so many peoplewere.
I was getting so manyanti-Semitic DM messages and
just the worst stuff.
(11:03):
I don't even want to Like, itdoesn't even deserve attention,
but the worst stuff.
That is like while I'm, at thesame time, trying to cope with
this disaster and this traumaand this re-traumatizing because
I did grow up in Israel duringa volatile time and it's like I
was re-traumatized with thisbecause it's like it brought
(11:26):
back memories and things that Iwent through as a kid and people
chanting wrong lived in Tafadawhen I lived in Israel during
the Tafada, when I experiencedit, and it's really triggering
and it's really tough and peopleexpecting me to just go on
social media and talk about itwhen I'm dealing with this agony
(11:48):
.
It was like agony, pain and Ijust couldn't do it and I
couldn't do it.
And now I feel a little bitmore confident in being able to
have these discussions withpeople.
Of course, I still get someawful messages and I just I
(12:08):
block people.
Like I've blocked 100 pluspeople at this point and you
have to block it out.
And I think I try to focus onthe positives and the people who
actually are willing to listenand are willing to have a
conversation and are willing tolearn the facts and not just
take sides.
And I said this the other daywe're expected in the world that
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we live in, we're expected topick a side.
And when you pick a side, youdon't look at, you lose your
empathy, you lose your humanity.
And when people pick a side thepeople tearing down posters of
hostages they're so rooted inthis side that they've chosen
that they can't see thehumanists of the other side.
(12:56):
I see both.
I'm devastated for Palestinians.
I see the devastation and I seeeverything that goes on there
and my heart breaks and I canhold space for Palestinians and
I can hold space for Israelis.
This has been a conflict thathas been part of my whole life
my whole life.
My whole life.
When I was a teenager, I wasvery into the political world.
(13:21):
I was like a peacenik, I waslike far left and I was giving
out flyers for two-statesolution and I was part of an
exchange program writing letterswith Palestinian students.
Like I always had this hopethat I would grow up and there
wouldn't be no IDF anymore, thatthere would be no terrorism,
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that we would be livingpeacefully alongside each other
my whole life.
So seeing this devastation fromboth sides is incredibly
heartbreaking, and I can saythat, and that's what it's.
Just I feel like we've all likejust lost our shit.
We've all lost it.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, there's certainly a collective madness
that is hanging over this at themoment and probably until it
ends, but you seem to have foundyour port in the storm a little
bit with, especially with, thecommunity that you helped
cultivate, and I was going toask you what the difference
(14:30):
between handling this two monthsago and handling it now, and
you sort of answered, I imagine,your question.
Yeah, I think it's havingcommunity.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
It's just having more confidence and time I was given
I gave myself.
I wasn't given the time I gavemyself.
I took the time to process.
I took the time to grieve.
I think for a month and a halfI was depressed Like I was.
(14:58):
I was not work, tony had totake care of a lot of stuff in
the household and I was in mysweatpants Like I did the bare
minimum, the bare minimum.
I wasn't doing great mentallyand I feel like I'm slowly and I
think springing into action andbeing part of this community
and doing things in thecommunity, planning events and
(15:20):
talking to friends and doingthose things has helped me move
through these feelings.
But they're still there.
Every day I wake up and it'sOctober 7th to me every single
day and I think it's going to belike that for a very long time,
because this still happens andit still plays in my head and I
(15:43):
still see all the videos andit's still going on.
It's still very real, but it'sjust part of me now, you know,
it just kind of become part ofme and I think it'll, and that's
I think every Jewish person andPalestinian.
You know this is part of us.
This is something that iscarried with us through our day
(16:05):
to day lives and we're expectedto pay the bills and take care
of our homes.
And while this is still goingon, and every morning I wake up
and I'm like what am I going toread about today?
You know what's going to happentoday, like what?
And I brace myself.
But yeah, time, yeah Time,people and community that's how
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you heal from this, I guess.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yeah, that's about the recipe and just letting
yourself right, just lettingyourself feel whatever is there
in any given moment.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Like do you remember when we did that, so Tony helped
me with some breathing exercise?
Do you remember how, what alike in a mental space I was in?
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, it was the.
It was probably the first time.
Well, let me set the table herea little bit on what happened.
So obviously we've talked aboutthe community of men that I'm a
part of the growth,growth-centered,
wellness-centered and I haveregular coaching calls with the
senior people in thatorganization and one of them is
(17:24):
very tuned in with the energeticfield and with meditation and
leads a lot of guidedmeditations.
I had a call with him thatnight and beforehand I asked him
if I could bring you on to beon the call with me to kind of
work through some stuff togetheraround what was happening.
And he said, of course, and sohe took us to a guided
meditation that brought up a lotfor you, like you were.
(17:46):
It was the first time that youwere really going there.
I feel like Like so much fightor flight had taken place over
the previous.
I think this was like threeweeks in that you weren't really
able to like just be okay,feeling all the sadness that you
had and that just bubbled up tothe surface very intensely.
And then, towards the end ofthe call, he recommended that I
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facilitate you in some of thebreathwork exercises that we do
in this group, which is a formof breathwork called SRI, which
is somatic respiratoryintegration, and I took you
through some of the firstexercises in that and it
actually felt like you got evendeeper with, particularly the
(18:32):
sadness and the suffering thatyou were going through.
And one of the outcomes ofsuccessfully getting with the
suffering that's there for youcan be laughter and joy, because
ultimately, when you movethrough the experience fully and
experience it all the way tothe end, you'll find joy, you'll
find gratitude, you'll findlaughter and at the end of the
(18:53):
exercise you started dyinglaughing.
I was leaning over you.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I was like I was like crying and laughing.
It was like, yeah, I was like alittle crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, but it was because you were expressing
yourself fully and allowingyourself to go there.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
That really worked its magic.
Yeah, I mean the only way toget through it is to get through
it and to feel it.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
And I still struggle with it sometimes.
Like there's this I feel likenatural instinct of pushing the
feelings down because they're souncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, it's also an instinct for you in particular,
that's been reinforced over andover again through your attempts
at expressing yourself, throughwhat's happening and being told
that you're wrong or that I'm ababy killer.
So yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
And I want to talk about this specifically, and I
don't want to talk about thiswhole thing, this whole episode,
but all the messages that I'vereceived about a dozen messages
and I'm always open to discourse, I'm open to talking, I'm open
to different opinions 100%.
I follow a ton of people that Idon't necessarily agree with,
because I want to see adifferent perspective.
(20:03):
You know, what I mean.
I want to be open to that, andthe DMs that I get that are very
anti-Semitic always start withI really loved following you, or
I really like following you,but why do you support murdering
Palestinians?
Why do you support killingbabies?
(20:25):
And it's so horrible andmanipulative.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah, I know, it's a straw man.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
But why do they start with?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
I really liked following you, but I don't know,
I don't know, to make it moreimpactful.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah, it's like oh, you don't like following me
anymore, because Because I'madvocating for, for Jewish
people, like for you know what Imean.
Like it's just like a weird itjust like I've noticed that's
like the pattern, it's likeliterally the I like following
you.
Like you know, I used to lovefollowing you, I love your page,
(21:07):
but why do you hail Satan?
You know what I mean.
Like in what world does thatlike become the message?
You know me advocating forJewish people and Me advocating
for Israel, and I again, I don'tnecessarily agree with
everything the Israeligovernment does.
Like I, we were, we weremarching against, against in
(21:28):
y'all like I.
Yeah, like we're.
You know, I don't necessarilyagree with everything the
Israeli government does and Idon't agree, I don't like.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, it's just nobody agrees with their
government.
100% time, in fact, in ourcountry, oh, 50% of the people
don't yeah.
Most always.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
It's rough out there.
It's hard being a.
It's hard being a contentcreator and Jewish right now.
Yeah very hard.
Yeah, it's very, very hard andyou know, I I don't have such
the largest following and I seethat some Influencers who have
been advocating, who have a lotmore and they get, they get beat
(22:09):
up and I don't know how they doit.
No like it's hard to tune itout sometimes.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I'm sure it's hard for them to tune out sometimes.
Yeah well, but you know, Iguess, I guess, when it comes to
that type of constant assault,you have to find an anchor of
why you're doing it and makethat why so much bigger and so
much.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah powerful than any of the hateful, and that's
what I've been trying to do andI think I've been getting better
at that.
That.
I I know where my heart is andI, and and Nobody can tell me
where my heart stands.
Right, you know and you can saywhatever you want about me, but
I know where, where my heart is,and I try to really focus on
(22:50):
that you know it's a beautifultactic and for and, for the most
part, most of the people thatI've spoken to, even if they
don't agree, have respected my,my views and have taken the time
to to listen and have, you know, productive conversations, and
to me that's all that matters,yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Certainly matters far more than any of the yeah look
at me, negativity that comesthrough.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah, for sure yeah.
Okay okay we talked about that.
We let that out.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
It's done.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
We can, you know, get back to the podcast, because we
got it.
You know we got to move on withlife.
Yes we got to keep life going.
Yes and it is you know, and I'msure we'll probably bring this
back up.
You know, I'd love to Bring onsome guests in the future to
talk a little bit more, buttoday I texted Tony.
(23:46):
I was like we have to record anepisode today.
Why because tomorrow is ourwhat.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
It'll technically be today when you say this yeah,
the world at large right sotoday is the.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Today is the one year anniversary of the podcast, a
Nois birthday.
So if you've been, you know,listening since the beginning,
you know that we released ourfirst episode While I was in
labor first two first twoepisodes.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Wow.
Yeah while I was in labor.
And now we are a year later andwe have this cute little studio
and we have a cute little baby.
You, a little baby who's?
Speaker 2 (24:31):
almost walking.
What if we just switched Noah'sbirthday party to a LTK
birthday party?
Tell anybody.
Yeah, that's how it is.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
For the rest of time, I don't really know, it's her
birthday, you know, but what ayear this has been Uh
indescribable it's been both thebest and hardest year of my
life.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
last year was really good yeah but like in, like this
child has brought me so muchjoy, totally and purpose.
But at the same time you knowpostpartum and everything going
on in the world and you knowjust everything, just the
climate of everything has beenreally hard and I think to
(25:21):
myself like fuck, if I didn'thave Noah, like I would be in a
dark place Because you know myMia's 11 and she of course
brings me a lot of joy, but shehas like her own life, she has
her own things, you know.
But I'm so busy with Noah thatlike I can't get into that dark
place Because I just can't, likeI have literally responsibility
(25:43):
, like I'm with her almost all,pretty much all day, taking care
of her from morning, so I needto like and she, she's cute and
happy and does cute things andit's like no what's and it snaps
me.
It like literally snaps me outof it, yeah, and sometimes I'll
be on my phone and she'llliterally grab my phone like
she'd like commands.
She demands attention and Ireally think that the last
(26:07):
couple of months she Helped me.
Like I know she's only a yearold and she doesn't know what
she's actually doing, but havingher To take care of her has
given me purpose and has made menot sing into a Deep, yeah,
dark hole.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Hard to be depressed around her.
She's adorable.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
She's the best, and what a year this has been taking
care of her.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah, whirlwind.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Like it goes by so fast, instantly, like we, when
we release this podcast, we werein the thick of it.
In the thick you know we were.
How did we even record episodes?
Like in the newborn, like no,like you need to show like old
footage of me like in in, likesweatpants, and like day old
(26:56):
sweatpants would like Spit upall over me like Noah, like just
hanging out in my arms liketiny you know?
Like how did we do it?
I?
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Don't know, it was one of those things and this is
the only way I can describe itwas just one of those things
where you just had to getthrough it.
So you did like, obviouslywe're going to figure this out
somehow, but I don't think therewas no like practical.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Do you remember the sleepless nights?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Yeah, I remember specifically the one night where
we were I Read maybe it was methat read something somewhere
that turn on the red lights.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Instead of turning the lights on when you wake up
and get be with the babies, soit doesn't mess up your
circadian rhythm or whatever.
And we did that once, I think,yeah.
Waking up and turning on thoselights and it just felt like an
absolute freak shows, likeeverything in our room was red,
baby screaming I'm trying tochange your diaper feeder,
(27:55):
rocker back to sleep and I wasjust like no, I can't like, even
if I don't care how messed upmy sleep is, I cannot do these
red terror lights.
Yeah, it's while I'm dealingwith absolute chaos, like it's
making it worse, but that was, IWas just a time.
You get through.
You just get through it.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
It feels like so long ago now, 100%, and she still
wakes up sometimes.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah, but it's like it's, but it gets.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
It's, do you think?
Do you think, now that she'salmost one, do you think it's
easier than when she was aninfant?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Parts of it are easier and parts of it are
harder.
The nights are One thousandpercent easier.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
The days are Slightly more complicated going out with
her is much harder going outwith her is way harder, but like
as if you okay.
So if you have an infant, yeah,you might be exhausted and not
sleeping at night and just a hotmess.
But when you take the baby outthey're generally just quiet,
like in the stroller.
(28:56):
They take net.
They sleep a ton.
The older they get, the morelike mischievous, mischievous
curious, needing to like.
You know like you have to besuper strategic, going to a
restaurant Like you can't justput, put them in the cart in the
high chair right away becausethey'll get bored.
(29:17):
So you either have to orderfood right away, bring snacks,
bring a toy, you know, let themlike walk around, or crawl
around if you can't, or likehave them like move around
before you strap them in, youknow, the the high chair, and
Then you just like it's survival.
It's like give them snacks,milk, you know milk, give them
(29:41):
like toys, just keep you like.
I feel like when I'm eatinglunch, I'm just like, okay,
what's it?
I feel like I'm like MacGyver,you know.
Like what's the next thing?
Like today I get a gate.
Was she got bored?
I was like here's a salt shaker.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Like here's a slender packet like she's a combination
lock that changes combinationsevery day and you, just, you
just want them to remain calm.
Yeah, but all of that said it'shard it is hard, but I wouldn't
trade this hard for that hardagain, if that makes sense.
Yeah yeah, hard is the sleep.
(30:16):
I mean you're tradingeverything else for sleep.
It's also like as a woman.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Postpartum is brutal because you're also recovering
physically and I'm finally backto like my Fighting weight my,
that's not even just aboutweight, but I feel healthy, I
feel fit, I feel like like myclothes, fit.
You know what I mean.
Like I, so I don't.
I'm not like thinking aboutcons, you know you're like I
feel like all.
(30:41):
Maybe I feel like all women area little consumed by like the
postpartum.
Like you feel like shit, likeyou're recovering and like you,
yeah, and not having that takeup any men Mental space like is
definitely the best, but it took.
It took pretty much almost awhole year, almost.
Yeah, you know where I like.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Oh, you know, like I can wear normal jeans and yeah
yeah, yeah, right about the timeyou got to take that off your
mental load.
The war started.
Yeah, yeah, yeah right aboutjust replaced, just replaced it
replaced it Definitely helped melose the last two pounds.
(31:22):
I have no doubt.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Sadly.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah, we made it to a year made it a year.
She is thriving.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
How are we doing like marriage-wise?
Speaker 2 (31:37):
marriage-wise is like .
Of all the things we've had toworry about in the past year,
that is simply not one of them.
We've had to pay attention.
There's been, you know, there'sbeen weeks where it's like, ah,
we have not Paid enoughattention to each other, but
it's never been like you're notgiving me enough attention, it's
like we just notice yeah wenotice and we bring it up and
(31:59):
then we Correct as best we canand you know We've sprinkled in
a couple trips here and therethat have helped keep us like
together, where we're like justwith each other.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
So our marriage is beautiful and One of the what
are tips for couples like goingthrough all this heaviness, how,
because it can be easy to like,just like a Sort of abandon
your relationship or yourmarriage because, like it's
everything so heavy, like how,like it's hard being romantic
(32:30):
and it's hard planning datenights and having sex and things
like that, when, like theenergy is so heavy and it's so
intense, like what, like how didwe do it?
So?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
like, what happened early on is and I know we're
like kind of past the, the warstuff, but it this is kind of
where it started to take shapeis In the first week.
Even I noticed at one pointlike we were both just in our
own Depressed bubbles about yeah, I remember that just existing
(33:02):
in the house and kind offloating around yeah in our own
shit About what was going on,and not like we're experiencing
it in the same room butseparately.
So the first piece of advice Iwould give is to Let each other
in.
Like, just let each other infor real, where you are with it.
Like not either one has to beStronger for the other one, not
(33:22):
either one has to put on a braveface and just suck it up so the
other one doesn't feel.
You know, there's no power inthat.
The only power you can get as acouple is to experience it
fully with each other.
Like if I'm going Through itand I'm feeling a certain way, I
got to get over the hump oflike, well, I need to be strong
for her because, first of all,you're gonna feel it, whether I
(33:43):
say it or not, you're gonna feelsomething in the air.
And number two, there is onlypower in the vulnerability.
Like if I share with you thatI'm really feeling heaviness and
I'm feeling hurt and sadness,all these things, you're not
gonna look at him and go well, Ican't count on him.
He's feeling.
So that's the biggest one.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Yeah, now I remember there was like one night
specifically like I was justlike on the couch like on Doom
scrolling and you were like youjust like came into the room and
you had like phone calls Iguess schedule and you're like
I'm gonna cancel my calls and Iwant to hang out with you Like.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I think we need to hang out and like you you got a
moat like.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
You got a little bit like emotional.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah, yeah for sure, because, like that was when I
realized what was happening.
Yeah, like we were, we wereexperiencing this thing
completely isolated from eachother, not on purpose, just
that's just what happened.
So that's, that's the firstpiece for me, and probably the
biggest and of course you know,thematically, it's the rest of
your relationship too Is thatwould be the best practice is to
(34:47):
be able to share whateveryou're feeling or going through.
Yeah and the second part,especially when so much
attention of ours is required inso many places right now.
You have to be pretty strategic, like you have to be
intentional, like you're notjust gonna be able to up and be
like, oh yeah, we have now, wehave some time here to like
(35:07):
let's do something.
It's no, you're gonna have topay attention and really weave
it in where it can be, where itcan fit.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
So and I also think is like is Jumping on the micro
moments.
Like you might not have longmoments because, especially when
things feel like intense andall over the place, having those
micro moments of just love andaffection and attention whenever
you can, whether it's likesending a cute text, whether
it's sliding in their DMs or,you know, a nice long hug in the
(35:39):
morning, those like those areso important to continue.
You know, if you don't havetime for like a date night or
just things are feel like toomuch.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, like doing those littlethings.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Yeah, the the scale is tipped heavily in favor of
quality versus quantity when itcomes to intimate moments Like
you're speaking to, like mine,it does not have to be this long
, elaborate, drawn-out thing,like just connecting in a single
moment and being real and beingpresent, being a hundred
percent there with each otherand go a long way.
Yeah, right, so it.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
And of course, the, the bigger, more elaborate
intimate moments are great, butwhen you don't have the space
for that, in that in a week or amonth or whatever, it is, and
these are habits in general thatare good to have always, so
that when things feel a littlebit Heavy and sad and intense,
that used to have those habitsin place, that it's just like,
(36:34):
it's not like, it's not even athought.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah, no, like you can't just you can't just pull
these out of nowhere, right whenit happens.
These are all foundationalthings that need to exist in
your relationship so that, whenthe heaviness comes, when the
crisis comes, when Whatever iscoming through that you have no
control of and is going to starttaking your energy, you can
just crank the dial a little bitright.
You can consciously be likelike open that valve and be like
(36:58):
, alright, this is something I'mgonna have to pay attention to
as well, or else it's gonna getlost in a shuffle.
But you don't stand a chance todo that unless it's already
there.
Yeah, so those, those are thetwo major things that I would
say you would want to have inplace.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Or, or times like this, yeah, yeah, let's talk a
little bit about what you knowour listeners miss, like what
we've been, what we've done,like our trip to London.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Oh, we went to London and it was such a banging good
time In it, wonderful in it.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Oh, so I surprised Tony for his birthday with trip
to London and tickets to seeManchester City and which is his
favorite team of all times.
Yeah and how was that?
Speaker 2 (37:46):
it was Amazing.
London looks and Manchester forthat matter, the area that we
were in.
We were in like the northernNorth-east part of Manchester
hanging out after the game.
In both London and Manchesterjust look like movie sets, like
every Storefront is immaculate,the streets are clean, like the
(38:06):
decor, and any restaurant you goto is top tier.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Yeah, it's cute.
It's really and of course, wewent to a huge March against
anti-Semitism yeah the largest,of course.
Europe.
Yeah, I think it was pretty, itwas like comedy.
Hundred thousand thousand.
Yeah, it was beautiful.
Yeah it was so nice to be partof and like this crazy scenery
and, yeah, it was very peaceful.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
No, it was yeah, like the whole trip.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yeah epic.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
It was amazing trip.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
It was our first time away from Noah.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yes, it was shout out , mom and dad.
They killed it while we weregone, like you know, not a.
That was scary, a little scaryfor me.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
But I think I handle it really well.
I know that really well, like Ihandle it better than I, but
there was nothing I think wewere so busy that I like didn't
have a chance to be like I missmy baby only on the flight back
I was like I cannot wait to kissher.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yeah but at that point at least there's a light
at the end of the time.
Yeah you didn't spend.
Yeah, you didn't spend any timelike worried about yeah, I was
it unbelievable, such a goodfeeling to be able to like have
our first trip away and Thenalso have like the ability to
like just goof off.
Yeah, things we do when we'reby ourselves.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
We're like.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
We're like teenagers absolute children In the best
way we said.
We had so much fun, we wait,waited in line for literally
everything.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
We never do that.
Yeah, wouldn't they wait inline for anything we waited in
line for like an hour and a halffor this Indian restaurant
called the shum Everyone told usto go to and it was like listen
, who am I to argue with?
Like everybody and it like.
I saw the line and I was likethis place must be good, like
it's huge.
It's also huge like two twofloors and there's this massive
(39:46):
line, and they were like it wascold as shit.
And it straight up lied aboutand they like kept giving out
like shots, shots and like chaitea, and I was like we're
waiting, you know, like we'rewaiting for this and it was so
worth it, it was delicious and Iwas like, all right, I guess
London is like a waiting in linetype of deal and we did and and
how was?
Speaker 2 (40:06):
the soccer game, though, like it was a lot of fun
it was.
It was very cool to see it inperson and kind of get to feel
how fast it is in real time, andAlso the fans need to wake tf
up that was weird, like the fanswere so quiet.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
I was like I was, like I was looking forward to,
like Getting out some likeenergy and like screaming and
being like, yeah, fuck you, no,fuck you know.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Like yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
You know like, I don't know like, just like, a
little like it was a lot scream,you know, and everyone was like
, it was like crickets.
I was like what is happening?
Why is everybody so stuck up?
Where am I?
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
I can't Begin to defend the matches or city fans,
wake the fuck up.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yeah, they did, it was really very quiet.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
I was like at an opera.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
It's like fan base, they're spoiled, spoiled.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
They go in expecting that's why they they lost a few
games recently.
No, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Anyway, this is not a sports podcast.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
I don't know anything about sports, but you called
that you.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
You were like Like what is everybody so quiet?
Speaker 1 (41:19):
like I was waiting.
I was like let's go, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
I wanted to like see some like you know man stuff,
you know you go to sports.
You want to like that's thepoint I mean, I remember you
like living in Montreal, I usedto go to hockey games and I get
so route, route, like I'm, so,like not a violent person.
So I guess, like when you putme in that situation, like I, it
gets exciting for me becauseI'm like in real life.
(41:43):
We're never you know, I don'tknow it's like, you know it's
very, it's contained and likeit's acceptable you know they
say yeah, so like I would go tohockey games and like when they
would like take the gloves offand start like beating each
other up, I'm like, yeah, I likeswear in French Canadian.
You know like I see, yeah, go.
You know like it's fun.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, no, I was like waiting for that.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
I feel like I we need to go to some like football
games so I can get that that hit.
Yeah, maybe but anyway it wasfun.
It was fun and we had fish andchips and yes, we did Chips and
gravy we did some good eating.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
This is really yeah, I was very surprised.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
I mean, I don't know why.
It's obviously metropolitancity, they're gonna have a great
culinary scene, but no, youdon't hear anybody talk about
yeah, like nobody goes there andtalks like, oh my god, the food
was great, but it was.
Yeah, it was really good.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
So what else did?
Did people mess?
Speaker 2 (42:38):
I got my New Jersey real estate license.
Mazel tov and I will be openfor business.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
We'll say this is our sponsored ad for today.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
This is our ad break.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
It's $10, please, I'm proud of you, babe.
Yeah, let's make this money.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
We will be open for business in January, I would say
amazing.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Time to go and I'm sure people want to know about
our cold plunging.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Yeah, it's been a little hot and cold with the
vacation.
There were a couple days wherewe felt like we were getting
sick.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
We haven't been really we haven't been religious
.
We haven't been religious aboutit, because, yeah, things are,
but we've been doing it likewe've been, at least once or
twice a week been doing it.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
We'll be back.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yeah, we're tomorrow birthday plunge tomorrow, yeah
so but that's been fun.
A Little bit hard in the winterand I'm gonna lie, it's really
hard, it's really hard.
Yeah, it's all day.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
No, it's yeah, dude, it's three hours of your day.
Yeah, just boom cold.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Yeah, that is I.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Think that's it.
I mean, it's the holidays nowand we're gearing up for
Christmas.
We're gonna go to Tony's familyin West Virginia.
Yeah and I'm so excited for noone not to be my problem for
four or five days.
I'm gonna be sitting on thecouch.
I don't want anybody botheringme.
I'm gonna be watching Christmasmovies while eating snacks.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
I plan on gaining one and a half pounds.
I.
Specifically specifically, Iplan on drinking eggnog, so make
sure your mom gets them for me,and that's it.
Like pajama, I want flannelpajamas.
Couch, leave me alone.
(44:25):
I'm gonna make brisket, andthat's it.
Okay, that'll be enough tomarry Chris Maka perfect, All
right all right, that's it fortoday, and we're so excited to
be back.
Yeah, thanks for listening.
Bye, bye.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
You.
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