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October 2, 2024 35 mins

Have you ever wondered why so many TV shows glorify toxic relationships? Join us for a refreshing perspective as we dissect the new Netflix series featuring Adam Brody as a charming rabbi and Kristen Bell as an endearing shiksa. We promise you'll uncover why this unique romantic comedy stands out with its healthy portrayal of relationships, mature communication, and stellar performances. We'll share our own personal stories and cultural insights about the term "shiksa," making this discussion not only entertaining but also deeply relatable.

What constitutes a platonic relationship on TV? In one of our segments, we tackle the often blurred lines between friendship and infidelity, focusing on the ethically ambiguous secretive friendship between a married man and a single woman. You'll get to know our thoughts on the broader themes of appropriateness and practicality in such relationships. Plus, we’ll throw in some laughs as we discuss the hilarious performances of Kristen Bell's on-screen parents and the evolving arcs of supporting characters, making for a well-rounded critique of the show.

Lastly, we shine a spotlight on the portrayal of Jewish women in media and the impact of these stereotypical images. You'll hear our candid thoughts on how the show balances humor with cultural sensitivity, especially through the character development of Rebecca, who transitions from a neurotic stereotype to a deeply committed community member. We also explore the broader themes of cultural identity and relationships within the Jewish faith, contemplating the future dynamics of the characters. Tune in for an insightful, unfiltered look at one of the most unique romantic comedies on Netflix.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, welcome to the Lynn and Tony Know podcast.
I'm your host, Lynn.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
And I'm Tony.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Join us as we talk about all things health,
wellness, relationships, lifehacks, parenting and everything
in between, unfiltered.
Thanks for listening and let'sget into it.
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Welcome back.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
This is a spontaneous one.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Emergency episode, if you will.
Nobody wants this, nobody wantsthis Nobody wants this episode,
nobody asked for this episode.
Nobody asked for it, but herewe are.
And why are we here?

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Well, we watched the new Netflix show.
Nobody wants this, everybody'stalking about it and I have a
lot.
We have a lot to say.
So if you haven't, OK, if youhaven't watched the show, go
watch it Then Okay.
So if you haven't watched theshow, go watch it, then come
back to us.
If you did watch the show,we're going to talk spoilers, so
make sure you finish it beforecoming back to this episode,

(00:53):
because we're going to talkeverything about it.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
So what's the show about?
Give like the 30-secondsynopsis, All right.
Broad Strokes is a Adam Brodyplays a young, charming,
handsome, hot rabbi.
Adam Brody plays a young,charming, handsome, hot rabbi
and Kristen Bell plays a verystereotypical shiksa.
What is a shiksa?
A shiksa is simply, in thebroadest of terms, a non-Jewish
woman.
In the more narrow scope, it isexactly who she is Like blonde,

(01:20):
bubbly, fun.
Whatever girl, that's a shiksa.
Shiksa is, to my understanding,more or less a slightly
derogatory term.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
It's not though it is and it isn't I understand.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
But like it's not a term of endearment, it's in
Yiddish.
Yeah Right, it's more like abeware of the shiksas and I'm a
male shiksa, by the way.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yes, you are.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
And so that's so many people message me because
obviously I'm very out therewith my being a proud Jew and
also marrying the male versionof a shiksa, in a sense, and
people ask me you know what didI think about it Now?
Overall loved the show.
Overall thought it was adorable, like rom-com.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Well cast, well cast Like I wanted more good banter
comedy.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Acting was phenomenal .
Adam Brody is oh, what a mensch.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
He'll always be Seth Cohen to me.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
He's the best, overall awesome, but there were
definitely a lot of things thatbothered me Okay, and we'll talk
about that, and also a lot ofthings that I really truly
enjoyed.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
So what are we starting first?

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Let's start with the parts that we liked.
I want so We'll do a complimentsandwich.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
So, specifically, what I really loved about the
show is I feel like you don'treally see a lot of healthy
relationships on TV and inmovies.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Toxic relationships are glorified and this whole
like passion and like falling inlove and like fights and and
one you know, or it's like ashitty marriage and one person
is not happy and the other like,and there it just.
I feel like in movies and shows, love is portrayed in a not
healthy way and that could, youknow, give people mixed messages

(03:21):
.
Oh is, is that what love needs,to feel like it needs?
To be like chaotic.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
What I really loved about this show is you see two
people that are in theirthirties I'm assuming late
thirties.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Well, not in real life.
I think they're both over 40.
Kristen Belch.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Right, but on the show I would assume let's say
late thirties, early forties.
Right, and you see two adultsand they both clearly have their
own traumas, working throughtheir traumas, communicating.
You know, you see Noah hotrabbi just addressing a lot of
her insecurities head on andwhereas, like what you would see

(04:00):
in real life is a guy sayingyou know, if a guy catches a
woman looking through his stuff,it's like, oh, you're fucking
crazy, you're insecure, I can'tbe with you, or like some big
blow up.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Right, in his case, he validated her, he holds
immense space for whatever she'sgoing through, and there's
several moments throughout theseries where you think they're
setting you up for thattraditional tripping point,
right.
Well, this is going to be thething.
This is going to be the thing,this is going to be the thing.

(04:30):
And up until you know the wholeseries so far, and obviously
they leave us on a wildcliffhanger, None of it does
Like.
He handles it.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
He, he can and so does she, and so does she she
responds in kind right, likethey're both like actively
working on being better peopleand partners, learning from
their past mistakes.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, which is which, like you said, is not very
typical in TV.
I was in shock.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
I was in shock at how healthy the communication is,
how healthy the communication isand, like you said, all these
different tipping points thatwould ruin a relationship and
that we're so accustomed toseeing.
Right, like she gets the ickfrom him.
Right, it's literally theepisode.
It's called.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
The Ick she gets the ick from him.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
You know he was wearing a sports coat.
He shows up with flowers andshe didn't like the flowers or
something like that.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
So it was the episode where he's meeting her parents
right and he as a, you know, atraditional Jewish man, rabbi,
with, you know, fundamentalfamily values, recognizes this
as a big moment and he didn'tknow it was coming.
So then he tries to go aboveand beyond to impress her family
.
So he does a couple things thatare above and beyond that she

(05:48):
starts telling herself she'sfinding very unattractive, which
, you know, the ick is hilarious.
First of all, the phrase isjust very funny.
I didn't hear it until LoveIsland.
I feel like it hasn't beenaround that long, but it's a,
it's an eternal thing that hasalways been around.
Once you catch that, that whiffof like, oh, this is something

(06:10):
that I can't get past.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
It's very like in dating, as you know somebody
who's experienced the ick.
Once you experience the ick,it's almost impossible to go
back.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
And maybe our listeners will correct me, but
it feels like a uniquely femaleexperience.
Yes, I don't personally, and Icould be wrong.
Right, somebody tell me if I am.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
That's fine, I don't think it's Men get the ick, but
it's not characterized as theick.
I don't feel like I've everreally had the ick.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
I don't know I've ever really had the ick, I don't
know.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
It feels more of like You've never been like turned
off by, like a chick.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Not like in a where there's a thing that she does,
where I'm just like, like shehas like funky toenails or
something.
Yeah, no, there's nothing likethat specific, like bad breath
or I don't know like nothing.
That like comes, like you knowwell, into a relationship and
then it's like, oh God, I can'tget past this thing.
I don't think and maybe my I'mlooking at all my past

(07:14):
relationships with rose coloredglasses, but I don't think so.
It feels like a more of afemale centcentric thing that
happens, but in any case shegets it and then he just busts
through it, because reportedlythis is something that once you
catch, you cannot get rid of.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
And he calls her out on it.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah, in a lot of cases it feels like there is
some self-sabotage at play whenyou get the ick, like you're
looking for it almost, or itcreeps up on you in a moment
where you're like not sureyou're having doubts or whatever
you're getting scared becauseit's getting too real.
And then you find a reason toget the ick and in this case he

(08:00):
addresses it, he explains it, hevalidates what she's saying to
him and then she just he bustsright through it, right, and
he's like I like you and yeah.
It evaporates.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
And his way of doing is by being was by being
vulnerable.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
And he took it and it was like in such a manly way,
like I.
That's the thing.
If there's one thing that I, Iw I would love people to take
away from the show especially ifyou're single, how it's dating
is supposed to be, whetheryou're a man or a woman, this is
how you're supposed tocommunicate.
This is how you're supposed tolike, not push each other away.
We all come into relationshipswith different traumas and bad

(08:36):
experiences and we tend toproject that into our new, our
new partners, and so you caneither push each other away and
it doesn't work out, and thenyou're just going back in that
cycle and going back to datingand the same shit happens over
and over again, or you are in ahealthy relationship and you
work through that stuff Exactly,and they both seem to have done
it in a very healthy way, whichI loved.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
They really did.
Let's let's go through some ofthe other parts that we really
liked about the show outside ofmy healthy relationship the way
that's portrayed beautifulchef's kiss the other parts that
I really like about the, the,the show or the secondary
characters.
I think they're so well done.
They get a lot of expositionand, um, a chance to to develop

(09:23):
in in cool and some not so coolways, but they're all
interesting and one of the moreinteresting characters is Noah's
, who is Adam Brody, his brotherSasha.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Right, I love Sasha yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Who's just this giant bumbling like Kind of a dummy.
Kind of a dummy, but also verysweet and probably a little bit
smarter than he lets on, butfeels like he's kind of
comfortable being the big doting, like I'm the less achieving
brother to the hot rabbi and hasjust some brilliant one liners

(09:56):
in like every scene.
But he also seems to developthis weird relationship with
Adam Brody's love interest,Kristen Bell.
Right, Kristen Bell has asister.
They both have a podcasttogether and his sister, or her
sister, is kind of Her name isMorgan, yeah, Morgan kind of a

(10:18):
neurotic older sister.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Also hot shiksa tall.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yes, very blonde, but also kind of the second fiddle
to Kristen Bell, just as Sashais the second fiddle to Noah.
But they end up with this weirdrelationship, right.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Which is in my opinion and I told Tony this
because at first it seemed likeit was just like friendly and
not flirtatious, and now, likethey alluded at the last episode
, that it's becoming a littlebit more in in a way.
They both acknowledge it, Right.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
They, they actually acknowledge what we're all
thinking, which I thought wasgreat, because the whole time
they kind of teeter on this edgeof like, are they going to hook
up?
Are they like going to reallycross the line here, or are they
just writing this in a way thatis, that is a little over the
line and we're just not supposedto care?
Yeah, but then they address it.
But like we're talking FaceTime, he's FaceTiming her behind his

(11:12):
wife's back, acknowledging thathe's hiding from his wife,
while he's FaceTiming the sisterof his brother's girlfriend and
it feels very inappropriate,friend, and it's it feels very
inappropriate.
Fortunately, in my opinion, forthe writing, they they do bring
that to the surface and addressit, but the whole time it was
weird.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
It was just and right away I told you I'm like you
realize this.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
This is inappropriate , okay, so like on that note, do
you think men and married menand single women can be friends?

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Can married men and single women?
Can a married man be friendswith a single woman?

Speaker 2 (11:51):
A married man can be friendly with a single woman.
If you're just like our age andhave a single friend that
you're like you go hang out withby yourself with, it's a little
bizarre.
Ultimately, for me it justdoesn't even seem practical.
In the first place, I barelyhave time to see the friends I

(12:12):
would want to see, let alonewould I create time to hang out
with another female by myselflike that.
I I don't think it's blanketlywrong.
I do think that it's I don'tknow the word.
Yes, I do think it's possible.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
It's just she's miming no to the camera right
now, for everyone listening Idon't think it's appropriate you
don't think it's appropriate atall unless you guys have been
friends since like childhood andthere's a clear you're not.
There's no clear that there'snever been a hookup, there's

(12:53):
never been an attraction.
I have friends, guy friend, Iguess.
No, none of them are single,you know like my friends, that I
went to high school, that I youknow that I was friends in high
school.
None of them are single.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
None of mine are.
None of my friends from highschool are single either, sorry,
but again, I like I.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Why would you hang up ?
Hang out with this person, witha single woman?

Speaker 2 (13:10):
That's not the same as being friends with somebody
day to day, where you're justlike hanging out like randomly,
or you're going out like hey,I'm going out with my friends
tonight and you're yes, it's abit odd.
I want to be able, I want tobelieve that there's space for
that to exist, let's just say,90% of the time it's probably

(13:31):
not a good position to putyourself in Right.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
But I don't want to just like paint with a broad
stroke and say that it's no waythat's possible.
Yeah, I'm sure there are someguys that are married, that have
long friends from childhood andthey get along with the wife
and the kids and it's great.
You know there are exceptions,sure, but I think generally,
generally, I would stay awayfrom it.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Like if you're in your late thirties and you're
married and you just make a newfriend that happens to be a
single female.
That's probably going to getyou into some hot water.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
I mean, clearly he had, you know, bad intentions,
because he didn't.
He was doing it behind hiswife's back.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
I don't think he had bad intentions that I would
disagree with a little bit.
I don't think he had badintentions because, ultimately,
most of the things that he wasdoing behind his wife's back was
in an effort to find out whatwas going on with his brother's
relationship and ultimately endup saving his the two sisters

(14:28):
relationship with each otherbecause of the information that
he got with all of hisinappropriate communication.
Yeah, so it like it worked outin a way that was beneficial to
everybody, but it was stillbizarre and it would never be a
situation that anybody approvedof, and on the show it kind of
goes that way as well.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Okay, so who else did you want to talk about?

Speaker 2 (14:50):
I mean.
All the other characters aregreat.
Kristen Bell's parents arehilarious.
I won't go into it just becauseit's not necessary, but they're
really funny.
They're just funny characters.
Sasha Adam Brody's brother,brother, his wife is also a
great character and goes throughlike a pretty significant arc

(15:11):
in the in one season, going fromlike the really mean uh,
overbearing jewish wife, whichwe'll get into, to becoming more
humanized throughout the season, like in terms of like okay,
she has her reasons for the wayshe is and it's not just her
just being a bitch all the time.
It's like you know, this is.
This is more complicated thanthat.

(15:32):
She's obviously the otherpieces.
She's best friends with AdamBrody's ex, who is Jewish right,
and friends with all of theirfriends.
So they break up in the firstepisode, setting the table for
him to meet somebody else, whichhappens to be Kristen Bell.
So the extra layer there is hisex almost fiance funny opening

(15:54):
scene is a friend of everyoneinvolved and she's, you know,
doing a little meddlingthroughout, that that doesn't
turn out so good.
But yeah, all the charactersjust wonderfully developed,
well-written.
Doing a little meddlingthroughout, that that doesn't
turn out so good.
Um, but yeah, all thecharacters just wonderfully
developed, well-written.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
So let's talk about the obvious things that I guess
disappointed me, but like I'mnot surprised at the same time.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Um, it's how they portrayed Jewish women on the
show.
Yeah, and again, love the showoverall, but I feel like why are
the Jewish women in shows on TV, in movies, always portrayed
the same, like in this caseoverbearing, marriage, obsessed,

(16:42):
unwelcoming to people outsideof you know the circle right
Neur.
Outside of you know the circleright neurotic.
You know what I mean, all thesedifferent things.
And then the shiksa is likethis shiny blonde fun, funny,
you know make hair, you knowpodcast and sex.
Like like I'm jewish, I had apod, you know, sex podcast.

(17:05):
Like like you know what I'msaying.
So like it's just like Iunderstand what the creators of
the show wanted to do is kind ofshow that that you know, I
guess joanne is this like funand different type of person and
that's why what he wasattracted to, but it it just
continues this like, justcontinues this.

(17:25):
Like, especially as a Jewishwoman, it's just like this
continuous thing, like since I'ma kid is like you know Jewish
men, you know they, they want toend up with the Jewish woman.
But the shiksa is like the, the.
It's like the shiny toy, theshiny toy, right, you know.
And it's like, oh, am I, am Inot good enough for you?
Like, am I not?

Speaker 2 (17:46):
And, to be clear, this is based on a true story.
Right, right, this is a.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
It's loosely true story.
So the creator of the show, hername is Erin Foster.
She has a podcast with SarahFoster.
She actually converted toJudaism.
She met her husband, Simon,like at the gym.
He's not a rabbi.
He's not a rabbi, he's like amusic exec and it's based off of
that.
Okay so that is just literallythat Right so the reason and I

(18:14):
actually heard an interview withher on a podcast and she said
that she was writing the storyand they needed to up the stakes
because having a rabbi ups thestakes, because it's having a
hot, you know, a rabbi ups thestakes because it's not just his
religion, it's his whole life,right, yeah.
So it makes the decision a lotharder.
It makes it makes the the.

(18:35):
It adds to the conflict RightNow.
If it was just a Jewish guy,it's not like he.
Yes, marrying a Jew is could beimportant, but it's not like a
huge life decision.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
The consequences are way lower, way lower, and
especially in the case of Adam'scharacter, where he literally
right.
As things are starting to getreal serious between him and
Kristen Bell, he gets promotedto head rabbi of his synagogue,
yeah, which now the stakes arenot just for him, it's for

(19:09):
whoever he marries, because, asthe head rabbi, that sort of
passes the torch to him explains, they represent the synagogue.
It's not just him, it's hisfamily Like whatever family he
creates, represents thecongregation as well.
And people look to that exampleas how to live their lives, and,

(19:31):
fair or not fair, that's theposition that he chose.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Here's the thing.
He made a choice, right?
He made a choice he wanted tobe a rabbi.
He wanted to serve hiscommunity.
Right?
It's not an easy decision.
Like you become a rabbibi, likethis years of Torah study,
studying, assuming, right, likethat's it's a life dedication
right and part of it is marryinga Jewish woman is is, you know,

(19:55):
a Jewish woman that could be aRebetzin, that can also serve
the community, right?
And so the opening scene, wesee Rebecca, rebecca, his
girlfriend, and you know she didsomething crazy Right and, like
the first scene, you're like oh, wow, she, she did that, like
she.
So she went through his stuffand found the engagement ring
and didn't guess, you know, shegot tired of waiting for him to

(20:18):
propose and she started wearingthe engagement and she's like,
yes, but you know, like let'snot make a big deal out of it.
And he freaked out and likethey ended up breaking up, which
is, I understand, which isunderstandable, like I, you know
, as a divorced woman, I wouldnever tell people to jump into
marriages.
If it doesn't, it doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Right.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Now, from the get like on the first episode,
you're right away you're like,oh, you're Rebecca's painted as
this crazy woman, this crazygirlfriend, like you know,
overbearing, but we don't reallyknow.
You know, and, and I felt, andI I had, that was the impression
I got.
And then, after hearing herspeak in, like one of the other
episodes where she talks toJoanne and said, like, like you
know, you're going to have my,the life that I want.

(20:57):
I want to be married to a rabbi, I want to serve my community,
I want to, you know, serve thetemple and and do all these
things, like that was my dream.
That's when I started feelingfor her, which was the point,
because, because not only doesshe love Noah more than anything
, she also loves being Jewishand she loves her community.
And that broke my heart in thatsecond, you know, because what?

(21:21):
What's going on?
Bronx?

Speaker 2 (21:23):
is farting.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Okay, good time to fart, but you know what I mean.
So I felt for her because, like, and I was kind of upset at,
like, the fact that I was likeew, like I got like the like ew,
she's a crazy bitch.
And then I realized no, shewasn't, she had a dream, that's
good writing.
It is very good writing.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
That's what they wanted they elicited the initial
response to her and got it outof you and then later went back
to the depth.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
It's very good writing, but let's talk about
the way they portrayed Jewishwomen.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
I mean, what did you think?

Speaker 2 (21:58):
So for me it felt almost cartoony to a point, to
the point where it's like, okay,I see what they're doing, like
it felt transparent that that'swhat they were doing, that they
were playing out, especiallywith his mom like Bina, like

(22:19):
they went overboard with theoverbearing Jewish mom thing,
but also in a way that kind ofmade sense right, like even you
were saying I kind of see myselfbeing this way, but they, they
really amp up those those sortof characteristics to a point
where I felt like it was likeokay, this is, this is playing
on the stereotypical, likeJewish American family, jewish

(22:45):
American family it's hard for meto say, because this isn't
something that I grew up with.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
The thing is, I wasn't offended.
It gets tiring and I think if Iwere to watch this show at a
different time maybe pre-October7th, pre-antisemitism, pre-all
the stuff that we're dealingwith maybe I would have been
like, okay, tongue-in-cheek,that's cute, whatever.
But now, like we're so ubersensitive with everything going
on and how we're, you knowpeople portray us and almost in

(23:14):
a character you know, portrayJews like as caricatures, and to
see another show do that isexhausting.
It is, and I know many womenreached out to me to ask me for
my opinion and and they loved it, but they had these feelings of
like I wish, I wish it wasn'tso like caricature cartoony you

(23:36):
know, and here's the thing we're, we're Jews, aren't?
we're 0.2% of the population,right?
And if every single movie andtv show portrays us the fucking
same, you know what I mean?
The bagel jews, yeah, right, soyou don't really see the other
mizrahi jews, you don't see thatlike the rich cult, the
ethiopian, you don't see likethat and and it just plays into

(23:58):
the tropes and and we're in themedia fighting that we're like
no, we're not just white, we're,we're this, we're that.
You know, we have a richhistory and we're from Judea,
like all these things that we'restruggling right now is because
constantly in Hollywood theyportray us the same.
Do you know what I'm saying?
And I think if there were, ifpeople had a wide view of what

(24:18):
being Jewish is, that it's justcolorful and and and complex.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
And not so focused on the bagel Jew aspect of it.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
The.
Thing is.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
This show is not about.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Judaism.
It is, though, but it's not.
This show is about thecomplexity of relationships and,
ultimately, what it means to bein a healthy relationship.
Judaism is a vehicle to propelthe conflict, to propel the
tension, to propel all of thethings that make it hard.
Right, that is a vehicle, avessel for it, and based on a

(24:54):
real life experience.
The messaging is not to, in myopinion, is not to be, a
representation of Judaism as awhole.
In my opinion, is not to be arepresentation of Judaism as a
whole.
It is literally just thisspecific example of it, based on
somebody's real experience,right, so I also have to believe
this was written before, wellbefore it was yeah, Right.

(25:17):
So I understand why it, whypeople Jewish women would have a
complicated relationship withthe way that's portrayed.
But I also believe that, like,judaism is a part of the show,
but it's not the part of theshow.
It just feels like a largerpart of the show because of the
time that we're watching it in.
But I completely understand whyJewish women would take

(25:40):
exception to that style ofportrayal.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
But if it's based on real experience, real life, it's
like it's not so like she wassaying that she loves her
mother-in-law so much that shedidn't.
She had to make up a whole, youknow character.
You know what I mean.
So, like, bina is not reallybased on on anything, right.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
But without Bina?
How do you drive the conflictmore it, how do you?

Speaker 1 (26:04):
drive the conflict more, it's true.
Like you're kind of confined tothe, to the, to the body of
work that you have, and it wasso crazy because the whole time
I'm watching it, like you, Iwanted to root for them, right.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
But there's a part of me that wasn't rooting for them
.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
And go on.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
There's a part of me that was like just let the
shiksa go and I married theshiksa.
So like I'm not a rabbi, I'mnot a rabbi and also, according
to Jewish law, my kids areJewish.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
No matter what.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
No matter what Right, but when a man marries a
non-Jewish woman, the kids haveto, the woman has to convert or
the kids have to convert.
It's a whole, it's a wholething.
It's a mess.
It's much harder, right, right,and of course, I think, if, if,
if a kid has a Jewish father, Ithink they're Jewish, but again

(26:57):
, of course it's not.
That's not how it is accordingto Jewish law, right?
So you see a man like a rab,you know, and you see hot, adam
bro, and you know I'm right IfI'm making this person into.
Of course it's just a show,it's not real life.
But I'm thinking at, you know,adam Brody, hot rabbi, great guy
, just great fucking guy.
Would be an amazing husband,amazing father and and it's like

(27:22):
, oh, he's wasting that on on anon-Jew.
We need Jews.
We need Jews Like we're rightnow in this.
Like survival, we have oursurvival incident.
It's like I can't even explain,like there's no logic behind me
thinking this way.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
No, here's what it is Now.
You know what the fans of theCleveland Cavaliers felt like
when LeBron James left Clevelandto go to Miami.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Babe, I don't know sports, I don't know sports, I
don't do sports.
I'm telling you, okay, well, Idon't.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
It's like having your best player being traded to
another team.
Exactly right, so?

Speaker 1 (27:52):
you see this, this, this mensch of a man, and you
want him to have a ton of Jewishbabies and he wasted on like a
blonde chick.
We don't need another one ofthose.
There's plenty all over theworld.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, there's not many goodJewish men, so it's like, ah,
single Jewish men.

(28:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Not the majority of Jewish men aren't good, it's
just there's not very many ofthem.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
There's just not.
That's what I'm saying.
So, you see this guy and you'rekind of like, oh like, you know
what is she going to help thecommunity?
You know what I'm saying.
How is she going to help thecommunity?
And uh, and the other thing ofwhat that pissed me off, like
the last episode where hedecides to leave being a rabbi

(28:40):
for this woman, and that's thatpissed me off.
You made like, like you decidedto be a rabbi, you made a vow
to your people, to your temple,right, and it's something that
you wanted to do, that you werepassionate about doing since he
was a kid.
It's not like, oh, I'm anaccountant and I'm going to
leave accounting, this is arabbi, this is like he.

(29:02):
He, he had the ability, he gotpromoted to be head rabbi, which
is all he talked about thewhole season, and then suddenly
Kristen Bell decides she doesn'twant to.
What's her name?
Joanne doesn't want to convertand he just like says he's going
to quit.
Like how is that going to workin five years when, after
they're out of the honeymoonphase and he's going to wake up

(29:22):
and he's going to be working ashit job, like a job that's not
fulfilling going to wake up andhe's going to be working a shit
job, like a job that's notfulfilling.
You know what I mean?
Like he wasn't, he's in aspiritual position and he's
going to.
What is he going to do?

Speaker 2 (29:31):
I don't know.
We have to wait till season two, which is no-transcript.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
And I love the healthy relationship aspect and
they had such good chemistry andsuch good banter.
But the underlying thing isthat maybe I don't want it to
work.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Maybe it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
You know, maybe I want him to marry a nice Jewish
woman and stay in the temple andhave a bunch of Jewish kids and
help, you know, continue oursurvival.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Hashem has other plans.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
You know, yeah, do you think I'm a hypocrite?

Speaker 2 (30:42):
No, I think you're allowed to feel that way.
No, I think you're allowed tofeel that way.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Listen, like you've pointed out, there are a lot of
differences between what he'sdoing and what you did.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
What do you mean?
You're not a rabbi.
You didn't choose to be aspiritual leader of your people
and accept that position andcommit your life to the word of
God in that way and lead acommunity where he did.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
And also, like I changed a lot post-October 7th
and we talked about it on thelast episode.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Rabbi Noah probably has different feelings now,
post-october 7th as well.
Who knows?

Speaker 1 (31:21):
And yeah, I mean, we talk about you converting
sometimes.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
We talk about that.
It's in the ether, it's in thefield.
See where it goes.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Listen.
Overall, the show is fantastic.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
I can't wait for season two.
Oh my God, season two.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
And honestly, the whole time I'm watching it, I
just watched it as acontinuation of Seth Cohen, like
that's Seth Cohen's journey.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
He's so cute, this is just the post.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Oc Seth Cohen.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
I'm obsessed with him Like I love him he plays the
exact same character.
And what's like amazing is theway and like one thing that I
loved about watching the showand seeing Noah and the way he
communicates with Joanne and theway he talked to her and the
way he, you know, still Like hadthat he communicates with
Joanne and the way he talked toher and the way he, you know,
still like had that masculineenergy but also had that like
sensitivity.

(32:11):
It reminded me of you and I waslike, oh, that's what it's like
.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
That's what it looks like.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
I think you could be an amazing rabbi, actually 100%
You'd be an incredible spiritualleader.
But I'm just saying, like theway, like like I look back on
the beginning of ourrelationship, like we both came
with our own traumas but wereally communicated in a healthy
way and a lot of it came fromalso you holding space for me

(32:39):
and not, you know, gettingscared when I, let's say, looked
through your phone.
You know.
Hypothetically looked throughyour phone.
You know hypothetically, no, Idefinitely looked through your
phone, like, so there's onescene where he's like check my
phone, and he's like and sheholds his phone and he, like,
gives her the password.
Literally the same thingfucking happened when me and

(33:01):
tony started dating yeah he gaveme his phone, he's's like this
is my password.
And I was in shock because, likeyou know, in previous
relationships, like the guywould hide the phone or like you
know what I mean, like allkinds of shady or like turn off
notification.
I've listened, I've dealt withevery fucking situation and so

(33:22):
when Tony gave me his phone andgave me his password, I was like
I felt like hot coals, like Ididn't know what to do with it.
You know, and that's exactlylike that scene, and and it, it
and you saw her like suddenlyshe was like oh yeah, I can
trust this guy.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Like through with this now.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
yeah, I don't want to look at it.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
I don't want to look at it.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah, so strong recommend on that one.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Of course.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, good show.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Of course it's great.
Like I said, love that.
Obviously, there's things thatbother me about it.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
And.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
I think, I think you too, you know you can.
There are two things can be.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Definitely.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Truth right, like I'm looking forward to seeing if
there's going to be anotherseason and how they they develop
that.
And, yeah, I think a lot ofwomen like me, jewish women who
saw.
So it's funny, cause I spoke toJewish women and I spoke to a
few non-Jewish women who werecurious, like how I felt about
it and they're like, oh, weloved it, it was super cute.

(34:23):
But I'm curious, like you know,with everything going on, how
you felt about it.
So I could see that if you'renot jewish, you could see it and
not see it as like problematicor offensive in any way.
Right, and that's just thiscute thing.
But but having still thatawareness that, yes, it could
offend some people, you knowwhat I mean, yeah, yeah, because

(34:44):
jew, jewish women rock.
We're awesome.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Cover broad spectrum.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
You know, we, we, and there's some, some blonde Jews
and and spicy Jews, and I had asex podcast and I have tattoos,
you know.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, you got tattoos .

Speaker 1 (34:58):
I got tattoos Um so yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Cool, leave anything out.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
I think that's it.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
All right, there you go.
Surprise podcast Nobody wantedthis episode.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Nobody wanted this episode.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
All right, catch you next week.
Peace, peace, thank you.
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