January 11, 2024 • 37 mins
Ever found yourself simmering with emotions that threaten to boil over in the middle of an already challenging day? This week's heart-to-heart goes off-script as Tony and Lynn unpack the anger and frustration that bubble up in the hustle of parenting and daily life. Our candid conversation veers from our planned content to address the real impact social media and current events have on our mental health. When an Instagram post triggers a wave of helplessness, we're compelled to examine how these moments of powerlessness seep into our interactions with our children and corrode our peace of mind.
Wrestling with the complexities of feminist ideals isn't for the faint of heart, and in this discussion, we hold nothing back. We find ourselves grappling with the concept of pent-up rage and the importance of finding a healthy outlet for it, particularly within the feminist community. Here, we touch upon the notion of toxic femininity and the need for a feminism that fights universally against injustice, leaving no woman behind. Our dialogue takes a turn to confront the silence and perceived betrayal in the feminist movement, addressing the dire need for acknowledgment and action against atrocities faced by women in conflict zones.
Navigating activism, especially concerning the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, can be a minefield of emotion and misinformation. Join us as we share personal accounts on advocating for Palestinian rights while maintaining a vigilant stance against anti-Semitism. The discussion is layered with reflections on our journeys, the challenges of deciphering genuine activism from identity politics, and the pressures of educating and raising a family in an era of heightened social consciousness. We also emphasize the significance of local activism and education in contributing to a just and peaceful world for our children to inherit.
Your hosts: @lynnhazan_ and @tonydoesknow
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, welcome to the Lynn and Tony Know podcast.
I'm your host, lynn.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And I'm Tony.
We are both wellness coachesand married with kids.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Join us as we talk about all things health,
wellness, relationships, lifehacks, parenting and everything
in between, unfiltered.
Thanks for listening and let'sget into it.
Welcome to the show, welcomeback.
We're back, episode.
I have no idea, no clue.
We're just doing our best here,honestly.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
It's being held together with Elmer's and
Ducktape at the moment, but weare pushing through and we're
showing up, we're showing up.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
It's interesting that we were very consistent when
Noah was a newborn which is likereally the first year in a
baby's life as the hardest andwe were recording every week,
and now that she's one, it seemslike it's harder a little bit.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Why is?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
that I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
It is though.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah, it is harder.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
She's a bit more chaotic.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, we're going to talk about everything going on.
So initially, the intention forthis episode was to talk about
New Year's resolutions, newhabits, morning routines, et
cetera, et cetera, but I feellike we need to talk about other
stuff that's going on first.
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I think it sounds like this is an episode for us.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, I need a therapy session.
I need a therapy.
I'm having a rough day.
Look, I've been trying to getdressed for the podcast, but
it's Monday night, it's 7.15 pm,I'm in my pajamas.
I got a laser on my skin today.
I'm a mess.
I look like a mess.
It is what it is.
(01:50):
Take it or leave it.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I'll take it You're here.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, I'm here I showed up.
I had a rough day.
I had a rough day, so I woke upand since which is a win right
out of the gate.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I woke up.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I'm alive.
Yeah, it's healthy.
I woke up and I've been tryingsince the New Year to get back
to my morning routine and wewoke up pretty early this
morning, even though last nightwe had shit sleep because Noah
who knows what's going on withher toddler life.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Well, she's pooping bricks right now.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, she's constipated.
Anyway, we'll talk abouttoddler life separately.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, you just let me know when?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Okay, I will let you know.
So she had a shit night.
So that means we had a shitnight, but we still woke up and
Tony went to work out and do hismeditations.
And then I wake up, I do mymeditation, make the bed, I
journal and all that stuff.
Now I've set some boundarieswith going on social media right
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in the morning until I'm doneall my stuff and I try to delay
going on social media because Iknow that scrolling first thing
in the morning is reallyhorrible for me and causes major
anxiety and I end up,especially with the war
happening, I end up seeingsomething and spiraling and
whatever, and I really try toset that boundary with myself.
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This morning I didn't listen tomyself and there was this.
Something was pushing me toopen Instagram, and which I very
much regret.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Evil in.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah, so you know, and I did my meditation and I
journal and I felt like, okay,like I can get my day started.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
You did all this first.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I did all this first I did all this stuff first and I
should have just continued onthat like plain.
You know what I mean, okay, butinstead I just opened Instagram
and I saw something that justput me in a fit of rage.
I saw they released images offour female hostages held in
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Gaza.
They're between the ages oflike 18 and 19.
These are, you know, youngwomen who were taken from Israel
and have been held hostage infor the past, you know, three
months, and they showed imagesthat Hamas themselves have took
and just in horrible shape,bleeding, just the most gut
(04:19):
wrenching images and videos, andI felt so sick to my stomach, I
felt so sick and it was like itwas like October 7th again, and
it was just like a reminderthat we're living, like I feel
like I'm living in this likealternate universe of, like, you
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know, my life is joyful and Ihave my beautiful family and I'm
healthy and I'm, you know, andI'm feeling all this great
gratitude and just you know,hanging out with my kids.
But then there's this alternateside of like horror and trauma
and, you know, seeing theseimages and, as a mother of two
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girls, I put myself in the shoesof the mothers who've seen
these images and I just I feltso sick to my stomach and you
know, all day I've been kind of,like I posted something on my
Instagram like I'm angry, likeI'm angry at the like, all these
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feminists, all these feministgroups, who've been completely
silent, going as far asjustifying, you know, what
happened to these women.
And like what happened to metoo, what happened, what
happened to standing againstrape and violence against women.
Like what happened, whathappened.
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Like because they're Jews, it'sjustified because they're
Israelis, Like it just put me insuch a fit of rage and just so
much anger and resentmenttowards, specifically towards
the feminist community who aremothers, who are, you know,
women who have gone throughhorrible things themselves, not
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stand up and not say, you know,celebrities who have stood up
for other causes.
And just the silence and seeingthese images and we're still
we're going on three months,like it, just I'm filled with
anger and I don't even know whatto do with the anger and my
issue that I was having today isthat anger was spilling into
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other sides of other avenues inmy life.
You know what I mean.
Like, just, you know Noah'sbeing kind of annoying.
I'm like I guess you know shestarts hitting me and, like you
know, she's a toddler.
Obviously I'm not angry at her,but I feel, I felt feel anger,
you know, or like something Iworked and like go as as planned
(06:50):
.
I felt like just this, justboiling anger that I want to
just scream, you know, and thenit almost like it was to a point
where I was like on socialmedia, I was like I'm going to
say something that I'm going toregret, like what is happening
to me, you know, I feel likethis anger has taken, taken over
my body.
So, yeah, that's what'shappening to me in a nutshell,
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you know.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah, that's a tough energy to spend a day in, for
sure, and I guess the questionis like what can you do with
that?
What can you do about it, whatcan you feel in an effort to not
live in that place for longerthan you have to?
(07:39):
Like you said, you wanted toscream, like what is preventing
you from just I don't know, Iguess it's not a natural thing
for me.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
It is to just scream into a pillow.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, it's not a natural thing for a lot of
people, but what becomes natural, for a lot of people is getting
sick and cancer becomes normaland disease based on the energy
that we store in our body and wedon't allow ourselves to
express it, becomes so can youelaborate this?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And I'm sure a lot of people feel anger could be
because of the war, could bebecause of other reasons in life
.
We all get angry, right, whichis a natural feeling, but I
think with women specifically,it's hard for us to get in touch
with that anger and like let itout because we're taught to
suppress it.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, this is not gender specific.
I mean, I only work with men,but men from a very young age
are taught that channeling ouranger is violent, that man up
right Men don't cry, I mean,another emotional expression
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that we've been taught issomething that we're not
supposed to do.
So it's certainly not a genderspecific thing, but there are
ways and it's as simple asletting it out in a controlled
environment with the propercontext, the proper safety, like
I wouldn't just walk into aroom with me and Noah and rage,
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which is what we call it in ourcommunity is raging and the
literal physiology behind itthat we use and that we're
taught is that there is aspecific spot in the back of
your neck between two vertebraeI think it's like C2 and C3 or
something like that.
If you put your fingers behindyour neck, you're going to feel
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like when you put your head down, you're going to feel a little
bulge pop out behind your neck.
It's your vertebrae right.
So if you put your fingersright on that spot, that is
where we store the emotion ofrage, when we don't let it out,
and then what we do is we tuckour chin down to our chest and
then we just we rage, we don'tscream, we literally let out the
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sound that's being storedinside of our vertebrae, inside
of our spine, and we just rage.
You can do it into a pillow,like at some point when you have
like a mastery over it andaccess to it.
You can do it silently.
You don't have to do it outloud, but out loud is the most
effective way to do it.
But it is literally you put yourfinger down, put your fingers
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on your vertebrae, tuck yourchin and then you just rage and
you rage until it's gone, likeyou don't just yell and then
keep yelling.
You hold the sound, theenergetic resonance of rage, all
the way out into the very end,until there's nothing left right
.
So then it's not stored in yourbody, like when I say scream
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into a pillow.
That's what I mean.
Let out that rage, because ifyou don't, you stuff it down and
then it spills out everywhereelse.
Or it doesn't spill out and itbecomes bound energy inside your
body and turns into disease.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I mean it's a weird feeling for me.
I don't feel anger that often.
It's unfamiliar in a way andobviously it's important to feel
like you're allowed to feelanger.
It's a natural human feeling.
But I think, being a formerpeople pleaser and just like
catering to other people, Inever really was in touch with
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that part of me and today thefeeling of anger just totally
over.
But when I do feel anger itovertakes me.
You know what I mean.
It just like it like bottles up, bottles up and then it just
like explodes.
And that's how it kind of felt,like today, the images that I
saw.
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It was obviously a buildup ofthe past, like three months, of
the things that I'm seeing andjust what's happening, and it
kind of bottled up and bottledup and then that was kind of
like the last straw of like I amso mad, I'm so angry, I feel so
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let down by a lot of people.
But today, specifically women,the feminist community that I've
aligned myself my whole life,that I thought I was in
alignment with that.
I always stood up forinjustices, I went to all the
women marches and I alwaysthought, like you know, I'm part
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of something, I'm part ofsomething and this is for my
daughter's future that we're allgoing to fight in solidarity.
We're going to be together,we're going to fight for
equality, we're going to fightagainst the patriarchy and toxic
masculinity and we're going toreclaim our womanhood and
reclaim our power.
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And the past couple of monthshave completely devastated me,
because that is not the ideologythat I subscribe to.
You know that women are silent.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Do you think that there is?
Do you think it is possiblethat this is a version of toxic
femininity?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Absolutely Okay, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Go on that.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Being a feminist is not selective.
You don't select who you fightfor.
You know what I mean.
Like, oh, rape is not okayunless you're a Jew, unless
you're Israeli.
You know what I mean?
That makes no fucking sense.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
So why do you think that line is there?
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I think there's a combination of reasons.
I don't believe that allfeminists are yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
We can clarify, Right ?
I think the thing that youdon't mean the entirety of the
feminist movement is silent,right?
Right, it's a large portion 95%of the Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
So we know, we know you don't mean literally
everything.
Yeah, I would say 95% aresilent, right.
So I think I would say I'mgoing to say 50-50.
50% are silent because theydon't want to deal with the
backlash of the pro-Palestinianmovement.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, so you're going to be Weinstein versus an actor
who's trying to get her bigbreak, which is easy.
That's the easy one.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
So the fact that it's taken the UN three months to
say something when there isliteral how much more fucking
proof do you want?
And that is so dehumanizing,Since when I thought we were
supposed to believe all women,believe all victims, and the
fact that people are going on,the there was an article in the
New York Times recently againtook three fucking months and
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the comments are atrocious.
People are like where's theproof?
So you want, Did you want,actual videos of women being
raped?
The problem, you know whythere's no proof?
Because these women are dead.
They were murdered.
There was enough evidence thatrape was used as a tactic of war
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, that it happened in manyinstances.
These poor women who were heldhostages.
They have been also raped andsexually assaulted.
There was a report saying thatbetween the ages of 12 to 45, if
they were held captive, theywere assaulted in some shape or
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form.
The fact that people are askingfor more proof number one the
silence of women's organization,because they're so afraid that
they're going to call out theseatrocities and the
pro-Palestinian movement isgoing to come at them they will
100 percent Right, but that justboils my blood.
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It boils my blood.
It's unfathomable.
Standing up against rape shouldnot take away from fighting for
Palestinians.
It should not.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Agreed.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
You can fight for Palestinian liberation and
freedom, and all that while alsocondemning rape and condemning
a terrorist organization thatdoesn't give a fuck about
freedom.
That's what makes me so mad.
(16:23):
All these feminists, angelinaJolie who would speak in front
of the UN about rape being usedas an act of war and how she is
against it, but suddenly she'ssilent.
All these women I just feel Idon't know.
I feel betrayed.
(16:43):
I feel and I'm not the only one, I think every Jewish woman
who's identified as a feminist,who stood up for every
marginalized group, we feelabandoned.
It's like, oh, if this were tohappen to me, if I was raped God
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forbid or if I was kidnapped,people would justify it and
that's what, and I think beingangry at this is legitimate, so
(17:26):
yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Being angry is certainly legitimate, but at
some point you need to askyourself how is the anger
serving you?
And if the answer is yes, inwhat way?
And the answer is no, what'snext?
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Because just being angry yeah,I know, I know, I mean I don't
know what to do with it.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I don't.
I feel like I think part of theanger is that I feel helpless.
I feel like I can't do anything.
You know what I mean.
I feel like I can't.
I don't know.
I feel completely helpless,aside from trying to educate a
few people who are willing tolisten, aside from advocating
for women and getting involvedlocally in my community and
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teaching my girls about ourhistory and how important it is.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
But you know donating .
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah, I mean, I'm doing what I can, like I am, but
then there's a side of methat's like afraid for my
daughter's future as Jewishgirls.
They are Jewish girls, you know.
Yeah, I think about them and itfeels I feel helpless.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I mean as helpless as you say you feel.
You did rattle off like four tofive things that are very
important and do move theconversation in a positive
direction, that are helpful.
And while I understand thetrigger of all this is obviously
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the you know the new footage ofthe four young women that was
released today, but it doesn'tchange the impact that you're
able to have and if it wasnothing but raising our
daughters as proud Jewish women,that would be massive.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Think about who your mom raised right and the impact
that you're able to have and thecrazy thing is is like I don't
remember if I mentioned this ornot, but my whole life my mother
and my grandmother would bothdrill in my head to like you're
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Jewish, you know there'santi-Semitism, people hate Jews.
You know they talked to, youknow my grandmother was a
Holocaust survivor.
She talked about the Holocaustand and you know she came to my
school and spoke about it.
I felt like you know, I waslike, oh, they're so paranoid,
you know they're so paranoid andthey're making me like anxious
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about it and they're just likeconstantly talk about it and I
was like, no, there's, you knowit's.
You know it's 1990, whatever,like 2000, something.
Like you know, we fight forinjustice, we fight for equality
, we fight against racism.
Yeah, of course there's the KKKand the far right and they're
not so nice, but like I think ingeneral people don't hate Jews.
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You know, like I was kind ofliving in this like naive world
and then, you know, growing up Iwould deal with micro, mini,
micro aggressions, likeanti-Semitic comments, but like
I always was like, oh, it's justa joke.
You know like I never like tookit seriously because I think
Jews feel uncomfortable beingyou know, quote, unquote victims
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.
You know what I mean.
But now, looking back, I'vedealt with a lot of
anti-Semitism.
I've heard it all.
Oh you're Jewish, you don'tlook Jewish.
Oh, you're Jewish.
I heard Jewish girls are reallygood at giving blowjobs.
Oh, you're Jewish.
You must be so good with money.
You must be really good atbusiness, oh you're.
Oh, don't Jew me.
Are you doing me?
I can fucking go on.
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But I always was like, oh, it'sjust a joke, you know, it's
just a joke.
And I wish I would have beenlike no, you shouldn't say that.
I wish I stood up for myselfbecause we normalized it.
I'm not saying it's our fault,you know, here I am like victing
, blaming, but I'm saying thatwe normalized it.
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We normalized it and now peoplefeel so comfortable with being
anti-Semitic they don't evenunderstand what they're saying.
And you know, my whole life Iwas warned about this, my whole
life.
And I feel like I was so naiveand I was so like oh, love,
everybody loves each other.
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A piece of love.
We're all together, we're allgoing to fight for, you know,
for equality, blah, blah, blah.
You know, and that's why,blindly, I stood for every
marginalized group, everybody,even when it was very
uncomfortable for me.
I feel uncomfortable going toprotests and I overcame that
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because I knew it was importantEvery protest throughout the
years and I took time to educatemyself and learn and listen to
other marginalized groups andwhat they're feeling and what
they're going through.
Was I perfect?
No, I'm not perfect.
I guess I expected the samething to happen after October
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7th.
But then I see people, my peers, people that I've done business
with that.
I've had conversations withpost shit that blows my mind,
not even asking me an actual Jew.
I've heard people tell me toeducate myself, people who are
not Jewish, not Palestinian.
They're telling me that I needto educate myself as a Jewish,
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israeli person.
We live in the upside downworld, going off on a tangent.
But this is all just coming outand this is just how I feel
today.
I don't feel good.
Some days I feel I can managemy feelings a little bit better
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and I can focus on the task athand and focus on my family and
try to be in a place ofgratitude and just moving
forward and doing the thingsthat I can.
And then there are other days,like today, where I've just On
one.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, yeah, it's okay .
Just turn on the faucet and letit all out.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
And there's another aspect of all of this that
angers me even more is that thePalestinian people deserve
better.
This pro-Palestinian movementdoesn't care actually about
Palestinian lives, and I wrotesome notes.
I wrote some notes becausethere's too many.
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It's a letter to apro-Palestinian protesters.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
You wrote a letter.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I wrote a letter.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Dear pro-Palestinian protesters, if you truly cared
about Palestinians' rights,safety and freedom, then where
were you when more than 4,000Palestinians were slaughtered in
Syria during the civil war?
Where were you when 850,000Palestinians were displaced
during the Syria war?
Where were you when theLebanese militias killed over
2,500 refugees in camps?
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Where were you when twoPalestinians were brutally
publicly executed for allegedlycorroborating with Israel?
Where were you when innocentpeople were beheaded in Gaza for
being gay?
Where were you when Hamas wageda war with Israel that caused
this horrific war?
Where were you when Hamassteals?
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Where were you when Hamassteals and continues to steal
humanitarian aid?
Where were you when Hamasleaders are billionaires and the
people of Gaza living inpoverty and these Hamas
billionaires are living in Qatar, spending all the money that
you're donating to the cause?
Where were you when Palestinianchildren are being
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indoctrinated and sent tomilitary training camps to learn
the values of Jihad?
Where were you when 140Palestinian children died while
building Hamas undergroundtunnels?
Where were you when Palestinianchildren are being used as
human shields to protect Hamasfighters?
Where were you when Hamasmisfired a rocket that landed in
the parking lot of the Al-Shifahospital, killing its own
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civilians?
Where were you when Hamasmurdered the very people on the
borders of Israel and Gaza thatfought for peace with the
Palestinian people, thatvolunteered to drive
Palestinians sick with cancer toIsraeli hospitals?
Where were you when Hamas useshospitals, schools, mosques,
civilian homes as military bases?
Do you actually care about thePalestinian people or is your
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activism under the guise of Jewhatred?
That's what pisses me off,because you know, I spent since
I'm 13 years old fighting forPalestinian equality, for a
two-state solution.
I was a peacenik.
I was one of those people who,like the people who lived on the
border of Gaza, wanted a betterfuture, wanted to live side by
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side.
I echoed the sentiment of morethan 60% of Israelis that wanted
peace at the time.
Do I agree with Bibi Netanyahuand the far-right policy?
No, I don't.
I don't.
And seeing thesepro-Palestinian protesters cause
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a ruckus everywhere and shutdown bridges and shut down
tunnels, calling for a ceasefire, while under the same breath
calling for the intifada,calling for the murderers of
Jews and basically for Israel tocompletely cease to exist, it
makes me again so angry, becauseI do believe the Palestinian
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people deserve better and myrant is over.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Well, I don't think that a large swath of this
groundswell of protesting isnecessarily aligned with Jew
hatred specifically.
There's certainly some of that,but a lot of this are people
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looking for significance, peoplelooking for identity, people
looking for a cause, peoplelooking for community and going
about it in a very disruptive,destructive way.
Like a lot of that is what'shappening right now.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah, but I understand what you're saying,
but to me, I don't think that alarge swath of this groundswell
of protesting is necessarilyaligned with Jew hatred.
The it's calling for thedestruction of Israel is Jew
hatred, because you're callingfor the destruction of the only
Jewish state in the world.
I I understand that, but theonly safe place for Jews, and To
me that equates.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
To you.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
that equates Okay, so where do they want Jews to go?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Okay, let's say nothing to do with that.
It has nothing to do with thatbecause they're not going into
this thinking it through.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
They grabbed no they clearly don't, because you you
go, you see these interviews ofpeople going, of people at these
protests, right and therethere's tons of interviews and
people asking them really basicquestions.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Right about the conflict.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
They under don't understand what they're talking
about.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
So it would be hard for them to understand the full
scope of what's happening andthen join up because, oh, I hate
Jews too.
Right, it's not about HatingJews.
For a lot of these people, it'sabout looking for a club.
It's about putting on a uniformand having a connection.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I hope you're right.
I hope you're right.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I Hope you're right there are certainly a percentage
of people that are doing thisbecause they are anti-semitic,
without a doubt, but a lot ofthis is Repackaged to BLM energy
.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
So how do you, how do you explain the denying of rape
and and the host denying ofhostages taking down posters of
Jewish?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
hostages.
You're on the side that isSupporting the rape and torture
of innocent civilians.
That's not a fun team to be apart of yeah.
But if enough people canconvince you that it didn't
happen, or Israel's liars, whichisn't hard to do, right, I've
been on tick-tock.
Yeah like you see how easy itis to slip into Pro-Palestinian
tick-tock when you're clearlyJewish and Israeli.
(30:21):
Yeah, like, imagine beingsomebody that has no dog in the
fight.
Yeah, hopping on there andbeing brainwashed into bleep.
Well, maybe it isn't true,maybe that didn't happen, maybe
they did make it up.
Maybe, like, it's not that hardto convince somebody.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
You're a hundred percent right, and I actually
took a screenshot of a post froma Feminist group that's that's
against anti-semitism.
Obviously they're calledfeminists against anti-semitism.
There you go.
They posted.
Why are they going to do somuch trouble to disprove that
Israelis were raped on October7th?
Because if Israelis were rapedon October 7th, the narrative
(30:55):
that Israelis are always theoppressors and never the victim
is destroyed.
If people see Israelis asvictims and Palestinians as
perpetrators, then people maystart to question other parts of
their narrative.
This is why they won't stop atanything to disprove what we
know to be true.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Right, you, you can't be on the side of justice and
the side of rape at the sametime.
Right Like you.
You, you have to believe thatit didn't happen, or you at
least have to be able toconvince yourself that it might
not have Happened.
And somebody's lying, andwhere's the proof it's?
It's less to do with whetherJewish.
So even if it did happen, fuckthem, it's, it's a matter of
(31:30):
like.
Well, I don't really know thatit did happen, because you get
enough people in your sayingthat you're, you're supposedly
on the side of the oppressedRight, and if the oppressed are
now raping and torturing in itsinnocent people, then now you
don't know what to believe.
So you have to compartmentalizeand say that's probably didn't
happen.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah, well, I feel better.
I mean, it's just like a con,it's a just a thing that is
constantly on my mind.
I try to focus on other thingsbecause, you know, life, life
goes on, but it's just alwaysthere.
Yeah, it's a dark cloud thatfollows me everywhere, and I
(32:14):
think today was just one ofthose days where I just felt all
the feelings and I felt all ofthis, and this directly impacts
me and this is something that Iwake up every day thinking about
and I go to sleep thinkingabout and, obviously, as a mom
(32:34):
of two girls, you know, seeingthose photos and just putting
myself in the position of themoms who have seen these photos.
I can't, I can't, I can'timagine, can't imagine the pain
and the horror like I can't.
Like.
How do you sleep at night?
How do you eat?
How do you?
If, god forbid, that was one ofmy kids, I would be marching
(32:59):
into Gaza.
I like, with, with web.
I don't know what I would do.
I don't know what I would do.
I don't know what I would do,you know, and, yeah, get caught
up in the feelings.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah, sometimes you just gotta let it out.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Well.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
So are we screaming in pillows now.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Screaming in pillows, screaming in your arm.
There's lots of ways to do it,but I would, yeah, 100%.
So, whether it's this orsomething else, like you're
always gonna, things are gonnapiss you off long after this war
is over.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
It's a good skill to have.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
I need to get with the anger, yeah, because it
feels like it's coming up moreand more, and the more I push it
down, the more it wants to comeout.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
It'll spill over.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
And I take it down on the people I love the most.
You know I'm home and I'm withmy kids and I get triggered by
something and at least I'm awareof it.
I took it out on you a littlebit.
You want to tell everybody whathappened.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
I mean real quickly, before we have to wrap it up.
Okay, sure, I was waiting toeat and you and Mia wanted to
eat before I had a phone calland I was gonna wait till I have
the phone call, no big deal.
So I was watching and I guessI'll put air quotes around
watching Noah.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
He was on his phone.
He was not watching Noah.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
She was doing whatever the fuck she wanted,
and you pretend that you werenever on your phone when you're
watching Noah.
Let's reel it in a bit.
And Noah is like she's justwandering around the dining room
just screaming.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Yeah, Can we take?
Okay, so we need to take fiveminutes and talk about toddler
life Do.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
I get to tell my story.
Okay, yeah, tell your story.
And she's just yelling Like shehasn't done anything.
She's not falling, she didn'trun anything.
She's just like kind of lookingat me and screaming.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
She's bored.
She wants you to pay attentionto her.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah, and I'm looking at a screaming baby and I have
nothing to do, and so you lookover.
You're trying to eat in peacein the living room, which is the
whole point.
Was you take care of her whileyou could just eat, because I'm
not?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
eating.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah, great.
So that's about as far as I got.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
I just wanted.
I wanted five minutes to watchReal Housewives of Beverly Hills
eat my.
I made Israeli food as like awarming little like present to
myself and the baby is screamingher fucking face off.
He's just standing there on hisphone.
Yes, obviously I'd get annoyed.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Because here's the thing If you don't let it out,
what do you mean?
If I don't let her expressherself?
She's going to be taught thatit's not okay to have her
emotions.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Are you serious?
Are you fucking serious?
I'm dead serious.
I am tying this all togetherwith a meat little bone.
Are you fucking serious?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
right now I'm saying that if I don't allow my
daughter to express herself whenshe feels the need to express,
herself.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
I can't believe you're doing this right now she
is going to learn that it's notokay.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
All right, and the cycle will continue.
You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
I cannot believe you just said that I'm in shock, I'm
in, I'm in shock.
Anyway, I'm sorry if this was aheavy episode.
I hope we ended it on a littlebit of a lighter note.
But this is life, this is.
You know, we're sharing ourlife and it's what's happening.
Speaking of, I think I hear herscreaming- oh shit.
(36:36):
See you guys next week.
We have a special guest nextepisode.
Special guest we're veryexcited to have him.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
If we could put out two episodes in a row, as as
meant to be, then that would begreat.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
So we're not going to say the name right now because
I don't want it to like.
He's awesome, fucked up.
I'm so excited to have it.
Yeah, it's going to be a reallygood episode.
It's going to be funny.
There's going to be some comedy.
We're still going to be talkinga little bit about the conflict
A little Jewish as well, alittle Jewish as well but we're
excited to have him a littlecomedy relief.
Thank you for listening, gooses.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Put some help and robić ​​oretics to.
Hey, welcome to the Lynn and Tony Know podcast.
I'm your host, lynn.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And I'm Tony.
We are both wellness coachesand married with kids.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Join us as we talk about all things health,
wellness, relationships, lifehacks, parenting and everything
in between, unfiltered.
Thanks for listening and let'sget into it.
Welcome to the show, welcomeback.
We're back, episode.
I have no idea, no clue.
We're just doing our best here,honestly.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
It's being held together with Elmer's and
Ducktape at the moment, but weare pushing through and we're
showing up, we're showing up.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
It's interesting that we were very consistent when
Noah was a newborn which is likereally the first year in a
baby's life as the hardest andwe were recording every week,
and now that she's one, it seemslike it's harder a little bit.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Why is?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
that I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
It is though.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah, it is harder.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
She's a bit more chaotic.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, we're going to talk about everything going on.
So initially, the intention forthis episode was to talk about
New Year's resolutions, newhabits, morning routines, et
cetera, et cetera, but I feellike we need to talk about other
stuff that's going on first.
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I think it sounds like this is an episode for us.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, I need a therapy session.
I need a therapy.
I'm having a rough day.
Look, I've been trying to getdressed for the podcast, but
it's Monday night, it's 7.15 pm,I'm in my pajamas.
I got a laser on my skin today.
I'm a mess.
I look like a mess.
It is what it is.
(01:50):
Take it or leave it.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I'll take it You're here.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, I'm here I showed up.
I had a rough day.
I had a rough day, so I woke upand since which is a win right
out of the gate.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I woke up.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I'm alive.
Yeah, it's healthy.
I woke up and I've been tryingsince the New Year to get back
to my morning routine and wewoke up pretty early this
morning, even though last nightwe had shit sleep because Noah
who knows what's going on withher toddler life.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Well, she's pooping bricks right now.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, she's constipated.
Anyway, we'll talk abouttoddler life separately.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, you just let me know when?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Okay, I will let you know.
So she had a shit night.
So that means we had a shitnight, but we still woke up and
Tony went to work out and do hismeditations.
And then I wake up, I do mymeditation, make the bed, I
journal and all that stuff.
Now I've set some boundarieswith going on social media right
(02:47):
in the morning until I'm doneall my stuff and I try to delay
going on social media because Iknow that scrolling first thing
in the morning is reallyhorrible for me and causes major
anxiety and I end up,especially with the war
happening, I end up seeingsomething and spiraling and
whatever, and I really try toset that boundary with myself.
(03:11):
This morning I didn't listen tomyself and there was this.
Something was pushing me toopen Instagram, and which I very
much regret.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Evil in.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah, so you know, and I did my meditation and I
journal and I felt like, okay,like I can get my day started.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
You did all this first.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I did all this first I did all this stuff first and I
should have just continued onthat like plain.
You know what I mean, okay, butinstead I just opened Instagram
and I saw something that justput me in a fit of rage.
I saw they released images offour female hostages held in
(03:57):
Gaza.
They're between the ages oflike 18 and 19.
These are, you know, youngwomen who were taken from Israel
and have been held hostage infor the past, you know, three
months, and they showed imagesthat Hamas themselves have took
and just in horrible shape,bleeding, just the most gut
(04:19):
wrenching images and videos, andI felt so sick to my stomach, I
felt so sick and it was like itwas like October 7th again, and
it was just like a reminderthat we're living, like I feel
like I'm living in this likealternate universe of, like, you
(04:42):
know, my life is joyful and Ihave my beautiful family and I'm
healthy and I'm, you know, andI'm feeling all this great
gratitude and just you know,hanging out with my kids.
But then there's this alternateside of like horror and trauma
and, you know, seeing theseimages and, as a mother of two
(05:03):
girls, I put myself in the shoesof the mothers who've seen
these images and I just I feltso sick to my stomach and you
know, all day I've been kind of,like I posted something on my
Instagram like I'm angry, likeI'm angry at the like, all these
(05:25):
feminists, all these feministgroups, who've been completely
silent, going as far asjustifying, you know, what
happened to these women.
And like what happened to metoo, what happened, what
happened to standing againstrape and violence against women.
Like what happened, whathappened.
(05:48):
Like because they're Jews, it'sjustified because they're
Israelis, Like it just put me insuch a fit of rage and just so
much anger and resentmenttowards, specifically towards
the feminist community who aremothers, who are, you know,
women who have gone throughhorrible things themselves, not
(06:09):
stand up and not say, you know,celebrities who have stood up
for other causes.
And just the silence and seeingthese images and we're still
we're going on three months,like it, just I'm filled with
anger and I don't even know whatto do with the anger and my
issue that I was having today isthat anger was spilling into
(06:30):
other sides of other avenues inmy life.
You know what I mean.
Like, just, you know Noah'sbeing kind of annoying.
I'm like I guess you know shestarts hitting me and, like you
know, she's a toddler.
Obviously I'm not angry at her,but I feel, I felt feel anger,
you know, or like something Iworked and like go as as planned
(06:50):
.
I felt like just this, justboiling anger that I want to
just scream, you know, and thenit almost like it was to a point
where I was like on socialmedia, I was like I'm going to
say something that I'm going toregret, like what is happening
to me, you know, I feel likethis anger has taken, taken over
my body.
So, yeah, that's what'shappening to me in a nutshell,
(07:16):
you know.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah, that's a tough energy to spend a day in, for
sure, and I guess the questionis like what can you do with
that?
What can you do about it, whatcan you feel in an effort to not
live in that place for longerthan you have to?
(07:39):
Like you said, you wanted toscream, like what is preventing
you from just I don't know, Iguess it's not a natural thing
for me.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
It is to just scream into a pillow.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, it's not a natural thing for a lot of
people, but what becomes natural, for a lot of people is getting
sick and cancer becomes normaland disease based on the energy
that we store in our body and wedon't allow ourselves to
express it, becomes so can youelaborate this?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And I'm sure a lot of people feel anger could be
because of the war, could bebecause of other reasons in life
.
We all get angry, right, whichis a natural feeling, but I
think with women specifically,it's hard for us to get in touch
with that anger and like let itout because we're taught to
suppress it.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, this is not gender specific.
I mean, I only work with men,but men from a very young age
are taught that channeling ouranger is violent, that man up
right Men don't cry, I mean,another emotional expression
(08:46):
that we've been taught issomething that we're not
supposed to do.
So it's certainly not a genderspecific thing, but there are
ways and it's as simple asletting it out in a controlled
environment with the propercontext, the proper safety, like
I wouldn't just walk into aroom with me and Noah and rage,
(09:08):
which is what we call it in ourcommunity is raging and the
literal physiology behind itthat we use and that we're
taught is that there is aspecific spot in the back of
your neck between two vertebraeI think it's like C2 and C3 or
something like that.
If you put your fingers behindyour neck, you're going to feel
(09:28):
like when you put your head down, you're going to feel a little
bulge pop out behind your neck.
It's your vertebrae right.
So if you put your fingersright on that spot, that is
where we store the emotion ofrage, when we don't let it out,
and then what we do is we tuckour chin down to our chest and
then we just we rage, we don'tscream, we literally let out the
(09:49):
sound that's being storedinside of our vertebrae, inside
of our spine, and we just rage.
You can do it into a pillow,like at some point when you have
like a mastery over it andaccess to it.
You can do it silently.
You don't have to do it outloud, but out loud is the most
effective way to do it.
But it is literally you put yourfinger down, put your fingers
(10:12):
on your vertebrae, tuck yourchin and then you just rage and
you rage until it's gone, likeyou don't just yell and then
keep yelling.
You hold the sound, theenergetic resonance of rage, all
the way out into the very end,until there's nothing left right
.
So then it's not stored in yourbody, like when I say scream
(10:33):
into a pillow.
That's what I mean.
Let out that rage, because ifyou don't, you stuff it down and
then it spills out everywhereelse.
Or it doesn't spill out and itbecomes bound energy inside your
body and turns into disease.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I mean it's a weird feeling for me.
I don't feel anger that often.
It's unfamiliar in a way andobviously it's important to feel
like you're allowed to feelanger.
It's a natural human feeling.
But I think, being a formerpeople pleaser and just like
catering to other people, Inever really was in touch with
(11:11):
that part of me and today thefeeling of anger just totally
over.
But when I do feel anger itovertakes me.
You know what I mean.
It just like it like bottles up, bottles up and then it just
like explodes.
And that's how it kind of felt,like today, the images that I
saw.
(11:31):
It was obviously a buildup ofthe past, like three months, of
the things that I'm seeing andjust what's happening, and it
kind of bottled up and bottledup and then that was kind of
like the last straw of like I amso mad, I'm so angry, I feel so
(11:51):
let down by a lot of people.
But today, specifically women,the feminist community that I've
aligned myself my whole life,that I thought I was in
alignment with that.
I always stood up forinjustices, I went to all the
women marches and I alwaysthought, like you know, I'm part
(12:15):
of something, I'm part ofsomething and this is for my
daughter's future that we're allgoing to fight in solidarity.
We're going to be together,we're going to fight for
equality, we're going to fightagainst the patriarchy and toxic
masculinity and we're going toreclaim our womanhood and
reclaim our power.
(12:36):
And the past couple of monthshave completely devastated me,
because that is not the ideologythat I subscribe to.
You know that women are silent.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Do you think that there is?
Do you think it is possiblethat this is a version of toxic
femininity?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Absolutely Okay, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Go on that.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Being a feminist is not selective.
You don't select who you fightfor.
You know what I mean.
Like, oh, rape is not okayunless you're a Jew, unless
you're Israeli.
You know what I mean?
That makes no fucking sense.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
So why do you think that line is there?
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I think there's a combination of reasons.
I don't believe that allfeminists are yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
We can clarify, Right ?
I think the thing that youdon't mean the entirety of the
feminist movement is silent,right?
Right, it's a large portion 95%of the Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
So we know, we know you don't mean literally
everything.
Yeah, I would say 95% aresilent, right.
So I think I would say I'mgoing to say 50-50.
50% are silent because theydon't want to deal with the
backlash of the pro-Palestinianmovement.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, so you're going to be Weinstein versus an actor
who's trying to get her bigbreak, which is easy.
That's the easy one.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
So the fact that it's taken the UN three months to
say something when there isliteral how much more fucking
proof do you want?
And that is so dehumanizing,Since when I thought we were
supposed to believe all women,believe all victims, and the
fact that people are going on,the there was an article in the
New York Times recently againtook three fucking months and
(14:35):
the comments are atrocious.
People are like where's theproof?
So you want, Did you want,actual videos of women being
raped?
The problem, you know whythere's no proof?
Because these women are dead.
They were murdered.
There was enough evidence thatrape was used as a tactic of war
(15:00):
, that it happened in manyinstances.
These poor women who were heldhostages.
They have been also raped andsexually assaulted.
There was a report saying thatbetween the ages of 12 to 45, if
they were held captive, theywere assaulted in some shape or
(15:23):
form.
The fact that people are askingfor more proof number one the
silence of women's organization,because they're so afraid that
they're going to call out theseatrocities and the
pro-Palestinian movement isgoing to come at them they will
100 percent Right, but that justboils my blood.
(15:48):
It boils my blood.
It's unfathomable.
Standing up against rape shouldnot take away from fighting for
Palestinians.
It should not.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Agreed.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
You can fight for Palestinian liberation and
freedom, and all that while alsocondemning rape and condemning
a terrorist organization thatdoesn't give a fuck about
freedom.
That's what makes me so mad.
(16:23):
All these feminists, angelinaJolie who would speak in front
of the UN about rape being usedas an act of war and how she is
against it, but suddenly she'ssilent.
All these women I just feel Idon't know.
I feel betrayed.
(16:43):
I feel and I'm not the only one, I think every Jewish woman
who's identified as a feminist,who stood up for every
marginalized group, we feelabandoned.
It's like, oh, if this were tohappen to me, if I was raped God
(17:06):
forbid or if I was kidnapped,people would justify it and
that's what, and I think beingangry at this is legitimate, so
(17:26):
yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Being angry is certainly legitimate, but at
some point you need to askyourself how is the anger
serving you?
And if the answer is yes, inwhat way?
And the answer is no, what'snext?
(17:52):
Because just being angry yeah,I know, I know, I mean I don't
know what to do with it.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I don't.
I feel like I think part of theanger is that I feel helpless.
I feel like I can't do anything.
You know what I mean.
I feel like I can't.
I don't know.
I feel completely helpless,aside from trying to educate a
few people who are willing tolisten, aside from advocating
for women and getting involvedlocally in my community and
(18:27):
teaching my girls about ourhistory and how important it is.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
But you know donating .
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah, I mean, I'm doing what I can, like I am, but
then there's a side of methat's like afraid for my
daughter's future as Jewishgirls.
They are Jewish girls, you know.
Yeah, I think about them and itfeels I feel helpless.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I mean as helpless as you say you feel.
You did rattle off like four tofive things that are very
important and do move theconversation in a positive
direction, that are helpful.
And while I understand thetrigger of all this is obviously
(19:24):
the you know the new footage ofthe four young women that was
released today, but it doesn'tchange the impact that you're
able to have and if it wasnothing but raising our
daughters as proud Jewish women,that would be massive.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Think about who your mom raised right and the impact
that you're able to have and thecrazy thing is is like I don't
remember if I mentioned this ornot, but my whole life my mother
and my grandmother would bothdrill in my head to like you're
(20:12):
Jewish, you know there'santi-Semitism, people hate Jews.
You know they talked to, youknow my grandmother was a
Holocaust survivor.
She talked about the Holocaustand and you know she came to my
school and spoke about it.
I felt like you know, I waslike, oh, they're so paranoid,
you know they're so paranoid andthey're making me like anxious
(20:33):
about it and they're just likeconstantly talk about it and I
was like, no, there's, you knowit's.
You know it's 1990, whatever,like 2000, something.
Like you know, we fight forinjustice, we fight for equality
, we fight against racism.
Yeah, of course there's the KKKand the far right and they're
not so nice, but like I think ingeneral people don't hate Jews.
(20:55):
You know, like I was kind ofliving in this like naive world
and then, you know, growing up Iwould deal with micro, mini,
micro aggressions, likeanti-Semitic comments, but like
I always was like, oh, it's justa joke.
You know like I never like tookit seriously because I think
Jews feel uncomfortable beingyou know, quote, unquote victims
(21:16):
.
You know what I mean.
But now, looking back, I'vedealt with a lot of
anti-Semitism.
I've heard it all.
Oh you're Jewish, you don'tlook Jewish.
Oh, you're Jewish.
I heard Jewish girls are reallygood at giving blowjobs.
Oh, you're Jewish.
You must be so good with money.
You must be really good atbusiness, oh you're.
Oh, don't Jew me.
Are you doing me?
I can fucking go on.
(21:37):
But I always was like, oh, it'sjust a joke, you know, it's
just a joke.
And I wish I would have beenlike no, you shouldn't say that.
I wish I stood up for myselfbecause we normalized it.
I'm not saying it's our fault,you know, here I am like victing
, blaming, but I'm saying thatwe normalized it.
(21:59):
We normalized it and now peoplefeel so comfortable with being
anti-Semitic they don't evenunderstand what they're saying.
And you know, my whole life Iwas warned about this, my whole
life.
And I feel like I was so naiveand I was so like oh, love,
everybody loves each other.
(22:19):
A piece of love.
We're all together, we're allgoing to fight for, you know,
for equality, blah, blah, blah.
You know, and that's why,blindly, I stood for every
marginalized group, everybody,even when it was very
uncomfortable for me.
I feel uncomfortable going toprotests and I overcame that
(22:42):
because I knew it was importantEvery protest throughout the
years and I took time to educatemyself and learn and listen to
other marginalized groups andwhat they're feeling and what
they're going through.
Was I perfect?
No, I'm not perfect.
I guess I expected the samething to happen after October
(23:05):
7th.
But then I see people, my peers, people that I've done business
with that.
I've had conversations withpost shit that blows my mind,
not even asking me an actual Jew.
I've heard people tell me toeducate myself, people who are
not Jewish, not Palestinian.
They're telling me that I needto educate myself as a Jewish,
(23:27):
israeli person.
We live in the upside downworld, going off on a tangent.
But this is all just coming outand this is just how I feel
today.
I don't feel good.
Some days I feel I can managemy feelings a little bit better
(23:52):
and I can focus on the task athand and focus on my family and
try to be in a place ofgratitude and just moving
forward and doing the thingsthat I can.
And then there are other days,like today, where I've just On
one.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, yeah, it's okay .
Just turn on the faucet and letit all out.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
And there's another aspect of all of this that
angers me even more is that thePalestinian people deserve
better.
This pro-Palestinian movementdoesn't care actually about
Palestinian lives, and I wrotesome notes.
I wrote some notes becausethere's too many.
(24:41):
It's a letter to apro-Palestinian protesters.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
You wrote a letter.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I wrote a letter.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Dear pro-Palestinian protesters, if you truly cared
about Palestinians' rights,safety and freedom, then where
were you when more than 4,000Palestinians were slaughtered in
Syria during the civil war?
Where were you when 850,000Palestinians were displaced
during the Syria war?
Where were you when theLebanese militias killed over
2,500 refugees in camps?
(25:12):
Where were you when twoPalestinians were brutally
publicly executed for allegedlycorroborating with Israel?
Where were you when innocentpeople were beheaded in Gaza for
being gay?
Where were you when Hamas wageda war with Israel that caused
this horrific war?
Where were you when Hamassteals?
(25:32):
Where were you when Hamassteals and continues to steal
humanitarian aid?
Where were you when Hamasleaders are billionaires and the
people of Gaza living inpoverty and these Hamas
billionaires are living in Qatar, spending all the money that
you're donating to the cause?
Where were you when Palestinianchildren are being
(25:53):
indoctrinated and sent tomilitary training camps to learn
the values of Jihad?
Where were you when 140Palestinian children died while
building Hamas undergroundtunnels?
Where were you when Palestinianchildren are being used as
human shields to protect Hamasfighters?
Where were you when Hamasmisfired a rocket that landed in
the parking lot of the Al-Shifahospital, killing its own
(26:15):
civilians?
Where were you when Hamasmurdered the very people on the
borders of Israel and Gaza thatfought for peace with the
Palestinian people, thatvolunteered to drive
Palestinians sick with cancer toIsraeli hospitals?
Where were you when Hamas useshospitals, schools, mosques,
civilian homes as military bases?
Do you actually care about thePalestinian people or is your
(26:37):
activism under the guise of Jewhatred?
That's what pisses me off,because you know, I spent since
I'm 13 years old fighting forPalestinian equality, for a
two-state solution.
I was a peacenik.
I was one of those people who,like the people who lived on the
border of Gaza, wanted a betterfuture, wanted to live side by
(26:57):
side.
I echoed the sentiment of morethan 60% of Israelis that wanted
peace at the time.
Do I agree with Bibi Netanyahuand the far-right policy?
No, I don't.
I don't.
And seeing thesepro-Palestinian protesters cause
(27:23):
a ruckus everywhere and shutdown bridges and shut down
tunnels, calling for a ceasefire, while under the same breath
calling for the intifada,calling for the murderers of
Jews and basically for Israel tocompletely cease to exist, it
makes me again so angry, becauseI do believe the Palestinian
(27:46):
people deserve better and myrant is over.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Well, I don't think that a large swath of this
groundswell of protesting isnecessarily aligned with Jew
hatred specifically.
There's certainly some of that,but a lot of this are people
(28:17):
looking for significance, peoplelooking for identity, people
looking for a cause, peoplelooking for community and going
about it in a very disruptive,destructive way.
Like a lot of that is what'shappening right now.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah, but I understand what you're saying,
but to me, I don't think that alarge swath of this groundswell
of protesting is necessarilyaligned with Jew hatred.
The it's calling for thedestruction of Israel is Jew
hatred, because you're callingfor the destruction of the only
Jewish state in the world.
I I understand that, but theonly safe place for Jews, and To
me that equates.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
To you.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
that equates Okay, so where do they want Jews to go?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Okay, let's say nothing to do with that.
It has nothing to do with thatbecause they're not going into
this thinking it through.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
They grabbed no they clearly don't, because you you
go, you see these interviews ofpeople going, of people at these
protests, right and therethere's tons of interviews and
people asking them really basicquestions.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Right about the conflict.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
They under don't understand what they're talking
about.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
So it would be hard for them to understand the full
scope of what's happening andthen join up because, oh, I hate
Jews too.
Right, it's not about HatingJews.
For a lot of these people, it'sabout looking for a club.
It's about putting on a uniformand having a connection.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I hope you're right.
I hope you're right.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I Hope you're right there are certainly a percentage
of people that are doing thisbecause they are anti-semitic,
without a doubt, but a lot ofthis is Repackaged to BLM energy
.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
So how do you, how do you explain the denying of rape
and and the host denying ofhostages taking down posters of
Jewish?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
hostages.
You're on the side that isSupporting the rape and torture
of innocent civilians.
That's not a fun team to be apart of yeah.
But if enough people canconvince you that it didn't
happen, or Israel's liars, whichisn't hard to do, right, I've
been on tick-tock.
Yeah like you see how easy itis to slip into Pro-Palestinian
tick-tock when you're clearlyJewish and Israeli.
(30:21):
Yeah, like, imagine beingsomebody that has no dog in the
fight.
Yeah, hopping on there andbeing brainwashed into bleep.
Well, maybe it isn't true,maybe that didn't happen, maybe
they did make it up.
Maybe, like, it's not that hardto convince somebody.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
You're a hundred percent right, and I actually
took a screenshot of a post froma Feminist group that's that's
against anti-semitism.
Obviously they're calledfeminists against anti-semitism.
There you go.
They posted.
Why are they going to do somuch trouble to disprove that
Israelis were raped on October7th?
Because if Israelis were rapedon October 7th, the narrative
(30:55):
that Israelis are always theoppressors and never the victim
is destroyed.
If people see Israelis asvictims and Palestinians as
perpetrators, then people maystart to question other parts of
their narrative.
This is why they won't stop atanything to disprove what we
know to be true.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Right, you, you can't be on the side of justice and
the side of rape at the sametime.
Right Like you.
You, you have to believe thatit didn't happen, or you at
least have to be able toconvince yourself that it might
not have Happened.
And somebody's lying, andwhere's the proof it's?
It's less to do with whetherJewish.
So even if it did happen, fuckthem, it's, it's a matter of
(31:30):
like.
Well, I don't really know thatit did happen, because you get
enough people in your sayingthat you're, you're supposedly
on the side of the oppressedRight, and if the oppressed are
now raping and torturing in itsinnocent people, then now you
don't know what to believe.
So you have to compartmentalizeand say that's probably didn't
happen.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah, well, I feel better.
I mean, it's just like a con,it's a just a thing that is
constantly on my mind.
I try to focus on other thingsbecause, you know, life, life
goes on, but it's just alwaysthere.
Yeah, it's a dark cloud thatfollows me everywhere, and I
(32:14):
think today was just one ofthose days where I just felt all
the feelings and I felt all ofthis, and this directly impacts
me and this is something that Iwake up every day thinking about
and I go to sleep thinkingabout and, obviously, as a mom
(32:34):
of two girls, you know, seeingthose photos and just putting
myself in the position of themoms who have seen these photos.
I can't, I can't, I can'timagine, can't imagine the pain
and the horror like I can't.
Like.
How do you sleep at night?
How do you eat?
How do you?
If, god forbid, that was one ofmy kids, I would be marching
(32:59):
into Gaza.
I like, with, with web.
I don't know what I would do.
I don't know what I would do.
I don't know what I would do,you know, and, yeah, get caught
up in the feelings.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah, sometimes you just gotta let it out.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Well.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
So are we screaming in pillows now.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Screaming in pillows, screaming in your arm.
There's lots of ways to do it,but I would, yeah, 100%.
So, whether it's this orsomething else, like you're
always gonna, things are gonnapiss you off long after this war
is over.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
It's a good skill to have.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
I need to get with the anger, yeah, because it
feels like it's coming up moreand more, and the more I push it
down, the more it wants to comeout.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
It'll spill over.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
And I take it down on the people I love the most.
You know I'm home and I'm withmy kids and I get triggered by
something and at least I'm awareof it.
I took it out on you a littlebit.
You want to tell everybody whathappened.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
I mean real quickly, before we have to wrap it up.
Okay, sure, I was waiting toeat and you and Mia wanted to
eat before I had a phone calland I was gonna wait till I have
the phone call, no big deal.
So I was watching and I guessI'll put air quotes around
watching Noah.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
He was on his phone.
He was not watching Noah.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
She was doing whatever the fuck she wanted,
and you pretend that you werenever on your phone when you're
watching Noah.
Let's reel it in a bit.
And Noah is like she's justwandering around the dining room
just screaming.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Yeah, Can we take?
Okay, so we need to take fiveminutes and talk about toddler
life Do.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
I get to tell my story.
Okay, yeah, tell your story.
And she's just yelling Like shehasn't done anything.
She's not falling, she didn'trun anything.
She's just like kind of lookingat me and screaming.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
She's bored.
She wants you to pay attentionto her.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah, and I'm looking at a screaming baby and I have
nothing to do, and so you lookover.
You're trying to eat in peacein the living room, which is the
whole point.
Was you take care of her whileyou could just eat, because I'm
not?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
eating.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah, great.
So that's about as far as I got.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
I just wanted.
I wanted five minutes to watchReal Housewives of Beverly Hills
eat my.
I made Israeli food as like awarming little like present to
myself and the baby is screamingher fucking face off.
He's just standing there on hisphone.
Yes, obviously I'd get annoyed.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Because here's the thing If you don't let it out,
what do you mean?
If I don't let her expressherself?
She's going to be taught thatit's not okay to have her
emotions.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Are you serious?
Are you fucking serious?
I'm dead serious.
I am tying this all togetherwith a meat little bone.
Are you fucking serious?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
right now I'm saying that if I don't allow my
daughter to express herself whenshe feels the need to express,
herself.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
I can't believe you're doing this right now she
is going to learn that it's notokay.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
All right, and the cycle will continue.
You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
I cannot believe you just said that I'm in shock, I'm
in, I'm in shock.
Anyway, I'm sorry if this was aheavy episode.
I hope we ended it on a littlebit of a lighter note.
But this is life, this is.
You know, we're sharing ourlife and it's what's happening.
Speaking of, I think I hear herscreaming- oh shit.
(36:36):
See you guys next week.
We have a special guest nextepisode.
Special guest we're veryexcited to have him.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
If we could put out two episodes in a row, as as
meant to be, then that would begreat.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
So we're not going to say the name right now because
I don't want it to like.
He's awesome, fucked up.
I'm so excited to have it.
Yeah, it's going to be a reallygood episode.
It's going to be funny.
There's going to be some comedy.
We're still going to be talkinga little bit about the conflict
A little Jewish as well, alittle Jewish as well but we're
excited to have him a littlecomedy relief.
Thank you for listening, gooses.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
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