April 5, 2024 • 40 mins
When our life with toddler Noa turned into a whirlwind of chaos and runny noses, we knew it was time to get real about the pandemonium of parenting. Gone are the days of neatly planned routines; enter the era of daycare germs and the mad dash back to office life. We're peeling back the Instagram filter to reveal the truth behind our disrupted wellness practices, shaken morning routines, and yes, even how we're navigating the complexities of intimacy amid the beautiful mess that is raising a young family.
Confronting mental health is never easy, especially when you're in the thick of raising a lively toddler like Noa. We've opened up about the struggle, the tug-of-war between wanting to maintain a semblance of 'normal' and considering medication in our battle against anxiety. Add to that the ever-present weight of current events, such as the troubling rise of anti-Semitism, and it's clear why even the staunchest wellness routines are sometimes not enough. It's a candid look at the challenges we face and our journey towards asking for help, something we all could probably do a little more often.
But it's not all chaos and contemplation here; we've also found moments of joy and rediscovery. We share our experience of connecting with Jewish and Israeli creators, which has breathed new life into our cultural traditions and given a new flavor to our Shabbat dinners. From these moments of cultural reconnection to the cheeky banter about how we'd fair on a reality show like 'Love Island,' this episode is a rollercoaster ride through the highs and lows of midlife transformations, parenting, and finding laughter amidst the chaos. Join us for a heartfelt and humorous exploration of life's unpredictable journey.
Your hosts: @lynnhazan_ and @tonydoesknow
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, welcome to the Lynn and Tony Know podcast.
I'm your host, Lynn.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And I'm Tony.
We are both wellness coachesand married with kids.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Join us as we talk about all things health,
wellness, relationships, lifehacks, parenting and everything
in between, unfiltered.
Thanks for listening and let'sget into it.
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
First solo episode in a while.
In a minute we're going tocatch up.
Yeah, it's a lot to catch up on.
I was actually thinking aboutthis earlier.
When we had Noah newborn, thefirst six months, eight months,
we had our shit together.
We were recording every week.
(00:41):
We had a good routine.
I don't know, I felt like likethree to six month range yeah,
like I felt like like we knewwhat we were doing.
And now, uh, noah is a year anda couple of months old and shit
has hit the fucking fan in everyway possible yeah like every
(01:03):
day feels like, feels like a,like a hurricane, like there's
no no reprieve, yeah, yeah.
Like all, like I feel, like youknow, we would talk about like
our morning routines and our sexlife and like everything was on
point.
Like our morning routine was onpoint, our sex life was on
point, like everything was onpoint, and now it is not yeah,
(01:28):
no, do you want to?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
elaborate I'm really wondering, like, what is like
underneath all of that?
Like there's obviously beensome.
I mean, she's changed, our dayshave changed.
She goes to daycare now.
That's another variable so,which means I'm back at in the
(01:53):
office pretty much full time now.
So that's another variable andoutside of that the global
energetic variables that haveplayed out over the past seven
months, which this is not whatthis one's about.
But that's there right.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
That's a hum in the background.
That is static, that is alwaysringing.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
So there's a lot of different things at play, and I
mean, if nothing else, what I'venoticed with having a small
child is that once you have aphase figured out, it's on to
the next phase.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
So you really I just feel like I don't know.
I feel like we had our shitmuch more locked in, even though
we weren't sleeping as great,even though it was hectic,
because we're taking care of ababy Now we're sleeping through
the night.
Now she's in daycare.
It should be easier.
Baby, now we're sleepingthrough the night.
Now she's in daycare.
It should be easier.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I also think that biologically you have
rose-colored glasses on a bit Abit.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I don't know, I just feel like I believe there is an
evolutionary imperative.
I was meditating every day.
I was going like there is anevolutionary.
I was meditating every day.
I was going outside for walksevery day, I was doing my shit,
like my morning routine, my, mystuff, you know, and I was
getting stuff done.
And now it gets to a pointwhere it's like four o'clock I
still haven't showered yet, likeyou know what I mean.
(03:23):
Like bare minimum, evenmeditating five minutes, it's
just like everything's a fuckingmess right now.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, there's also another factor that's come to
play in the past four months.
Specifically is like we havenot spent more than a week all
of us in this house househealthy, like yes like that has
been from Christmas COVID topresent day.
There has not.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
And everybody told me this about sending Noah to
daycare that she was going toget sick a lot.
And lo and behold, we have beengetting sick a lot and I don't
ever get sick, never, never,never get sick.
Yeah, and I've been sick on andoff since the end of December
(04:08):
and, yeah, that can really wearon you At some point.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I'm just waiting for my white blood cells to just,
you know, pick up their shieldsand swords and be like we got it
from here, like enough of this.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I mean, you seem healthy.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
I'm still like I probably sound crazy side of it
a bit, but you were also thelast one to like seem to come
down with this round.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
So I give you a day or two and you'll be back to
normal, but my god and also likethe reason I want to bring this
up, because I feel like peoplefollow us and look at us and
they're like, oh, you know, theywork out, they have their shit
together.
Like they're on point, like no,we are not on point, our life
is a fucking shit show of a mess.
Like we're in, like yeah, likeit's not good, things are not
(04:59):
good.
We're having we're still havingsex, not as often as I'd like to
be like we, we like to averageon like three or four times a
week yeah we are more on theonce or twice yeah, a week,
which I know is really goodstill when you have kids and a
very busy schedule.
Yeah, but for us it's not.
(05:21):
It's like not.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Everything's taking a little bit of a hit.
I mean even the podcast.
There's been stretches whereit's been two weeks before we
get an episode out because wehave 9,000 things going on.
Part of it is, I find, that themore that you resist what's
(05:45):
there like, the more it's goingto prolong, like it's just going
to keep going until you kind ofcome into acceptance and go
okay, here's what's happening.
I hear the things I can'tcontrol, and here are the things
I can't and we're in the like.
The one thing that I feel thatyou've articulated pretty well
(06:06):
is that awareness to it Like,yeah, like things are crazy.
It feels like a tornado everysingle day, like dodging arrows
constantly and they're comingfrom everywhere, literally,
literally, like take your pick,take your genre, take your field
of work, life, health, the guyfrom the Matrix going like you
(06:27):
know, like it's just like lifetasks coming at me you know,
yeah, and we're dressed likewe're in the Matrix right now
too, and that's not even onpurpose.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I'm still in workout clothes from this morning.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, I mean, it's one of those, and I keep
reminding myself that it'ssimply a season that we're in
right now.
This is not forever, this isnot permanent.
This is a wave, this is thetrough.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
It's a shit season.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
It's a shit season, but it is not something that we
get to avoid and it does feellike before the baby and maybe
even slightly after the baby,like you referenced.
Of course, the first 90 daysare their own thing Like nobody
gets to avoid that, but you'reall.
But at the same time you'resort of relieved of everything
(07:14):
else.
If you're fortunate which wewere so even at that, that 90
days, while incredibly difficult, you're well insulated from all
of the other shit for the mostpart if you're fortunate enough
to be in that position.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
But outside of that, prior to that, the waves just
felt so much longer and thehighs lasted longer and the lows
were shorter, and now it justfeels like choppier seas, like
they're quicker, like if we geton the peak at all, like right
now we're in a trough and itfeels like we've been in a
(07:51):
trough for a while, a very longtime, yeah, but also that just
means a very long peak is next,and I really do try to get back
to a place of gratitude becauseI know my life is wonderful and
amazing and, you know, I have aroof over my head and I have
food on the table and my kidsare healthy and like that's like
(08:12):
mostly and that's, you know, myfamily's healthy, like I'm very
, I'm more fortunate than 99% ofthe world, you know, sure, but
then there's that other sidewhere it's like why can't I get
my shit together?
You know, yeah, and every day Itry, every day I wake up and
it's like you're just gettingback on the bike and today I was
(08:33):
like, okay, I'm going tomeditate and I'm going to do my
affirmations and I do it and Idid a little workout, and every
day you try and every day youtry.
And really, you know, I wantedto talk about this on this
podcast because I feel like,especially with social media and
just people on the Internet,you see, like their highlights
and some people are authenticand real, but like you might see
(08:56):
us and like we cold plunge andwe do all these things, but we
also like we haven't really coldplunge also you know, because
we've been sick, but you knowwe're going through it like
anybody else, and we're, youknow things are.
Things are rough, like I'lladmit, like I'm almost at a
place where I was like maybe Ishould go on antidepressants or
anti anxiety because it's justlike like I want some, you know,
(09:19):
feeling of relief and where'dyou land on that?
Uh, you know, it's interestingbecause for I have, I have no
judgment against it there arepeople in my family who who take
it and it helps themtremendously and I always try to
convince them to go off of itand like do other things, like
meditate and whatever, Um, and Ido all those things, like I do
(09:44):
all the mental health thingsthat you could possibly do, and
I still feel like I can't getyou know ahead of it and I just
like like it's a really low timeright now in my life and I
don't know.
Some relief sounds kind of nice, but I have this stubborn side
of me that wants to get throughit without it, you know is that?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
is that stubborn?
Do you think that's stubborn?
Is that how you've sort oflabeled it?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I don't know, I like, I'm I guess I'm the type of
person that has a hard timeasking for help and and taking a
pill that could potentiallyhelp me and even if it's just
temporary, like I, have aproblem with that.
You know, it's like oh, I'mtaking something that when I
like, well, I can't help myself.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Like you feel like you're cheating.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
But also things are just not great, like I just
don't feel mentally myself, likeI'm like and it affects
everything else in my life and Iwant to be able to.
I just need some relief.
You know the chatter, thechatter, the chatter, the
anxiety Like people with anxietywho are listening understand.
It's just constant in your headand you're like shut the fuck
(10:57):
up.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
And, yeah, you can meditate and cold plunge and
that helps 100% and I willcontinue doing those things.
But to what point are you like?
Okay, like I do need more help,you know.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Is there a part of you that recognizes that this
has been presented as an option,when maybe those habits haven't
been in place for the, for the,for a longer stretch than
normal?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I think I think I've always had anxiety.
Obviously, the time that I'm inright now in this season is a
lot more intense for me and alsotraumatizing.
And the rise in anti-Semitismand being a Jewish public figure
(11:47):
online all of that is just likea recipe for disaster.
Being unwell, just being unwell, and like, yeah, it's like.
You know, I look at it this way, like I have the problem, this
is my problem.
And every habit like chips awayyou know every healthy habit
(12:08):
like eating well, exercising,walking outside it chips.
Every habit like chips away atthat.
You know every healthy habitlike eating well, exercising,
walking outside it chips away.
It chips away, but it's notchipping away enough for me to
feel well.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
In normal times it does, it helps, but right now,
the time that I am going throughin my life, it's not like none
of it is helping.
Yeah, you know like and wetalked about October 7th and we
talked about the anti-SemitismI'm also going through some sort
of like I don't like to call ita myth Is it a midlife crisis?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Okay.
So this is interesting because,yes, on paper, that's what it
would be right.
That's what most people wouldsay is a midlife crisis Now, in
your particular case.
Life crisis Now in yourparticular case, and with the
work that you've done, you knowit can be.
It can be labeled a midlifecrisis, or it can be labeled
like your next round ofawakening, right, which can feel
(13:05):
like crisis.
It can feel like it rings everyalarm bell that you have, like
everything I've done up to thispoint is a lie and everything I
that used to fulfill me doesn'tfulfill me anymore, and what the
fuck like I'm?
I'm 40 years old and I'msupposed to start over and start
new and whatever basically, youjust told you what I'm going
through yeah, yeah, I'm sorryyou know, yeah, spoiler alert,
um, but yeah, yeah, like that's.
Yes, there are a lot of people,like anybody that's experienced
(13:27):
a midlife crisis, isexperiencing what you are
experiencing right now.
Right, what I also believe isthat what you're experiencing
can have multiple differentinterpretations, some of them
very negative and some of themvery hopeful and positive, in
between trying to figure outwhat it means for you and where
(13:48):
to go next, you know, when youquit your corporate job to
pursue a blog, that wasn't acrisis, but you were in the same
kind of thing.
It was still the same cycle.
It was still a similar season.
It feels different now.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
It feels different because I feel like now there's
a lot more at stake, sure,whereas back then I didn't.
You know.
Like, yeah, I had a kid, but Ihad.
Like now there's a lot more atstake, whereas back then I
didn't.
You know, like I, yeah, I had akid, but I had a, like a good
job.
I had, you know, money in thebank, I had a savings you know
what I mean like it's different.
Like now I'm going from beingrunning my own business for 10
years, you know, to not knowingwhat I want to do next, right,
(14:26):
and you know, there's like aparts of me that's like feels
like a failure, like I worked sohard to get to where I am today
and you know it, feeling likeit's no longer working for me,
feels like, oh what?
Where did I fail you?
know what I mean Like where didI go wrong?
Like I could have, you know, Iremember like years ago, five
years ago I remember years agofive years ago, I started my
(14:49):
marketing agency, three yearsafter I started the blog, and it
blew up and it was a hugesuccess.
I had 10 employees and then thepandemic happened and, like a
lot of businesses, it ruined meand I think from there I just
never recovered and I was soburnt out from years of of the
(15:12):
grinding and waking up at 4amand working 12 hour days and I
was just so burnt out.
Uh, and then, after thepandemic, like I met you and we
fell in love and we had thiswhole love story and like I was
focused on that.
Yeah, and then I had Noah and Iand motherhood and just all
those things like shifted what Ishifted, like my desires, you
(15:37):
know, and and I was, and that'swhen I went to get my
certificate in health, nutritionand I did that when I was
pregnant and right beforeOctober 7th I was planning like
I hired a health coach andeverything and I was planning on
starting my own business coach.
I'm sorry.
I hired a business coach tohelp me, you know, build this
(15:59):
online business where it wasgoing to be like a health coach,
like more like relationshipcoaching for women single women
and women in relationship and Ihad a whole, like you know
workshop and everything.
I had like everything done andI even had a photo shoot
scheduled for like mid-October,like I was so excited and ready
to pursue something new and thenwoke up October 7th and that
(16:28):
everything just went, you know,down the drain and that desire
to want to start this businessjust evaporated.
It's like I have no desire.
I, you know, explored a monthago or month and a half ago,
explored the idea of gettingback to it, but I don't have any
desire to do it.
(16:48):
It's like my purpose haschanged.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Okay, but you don't know where yet.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
No.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
And one of the things that you struggle with is
giving yourself the grace tofigure it out without a timeline
.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah, because I don't feel like I have that luxury
Like I, you know I'm.
We live in a capitalisticsociety.
We have, I have Mia in aprivate school, I have Noah in
daycare, you know we have tripsand and thing, bills to pay and
groceries and all that stuff,and I wish I could take like a
six month sabbatical and justfigure, you know, find myself or
(17:30):
meditate all day, whatever.
But I don't.
You know we don't have thatluxury right now.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
you know, right, but you're also putting the idea of
finding yourself in this oneidea box of oh, I need all of
this time and space in order tofigure it out, and limiting
yourself to that's it.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Yeah, but how am I supposed to?
Here's the thing, though how amI supposed to figure out what
my purpose is if I'm spendingmost of my working day working
hustling in the job?
That doesn't fulfill me at all,right, and then, by the time
evening three o'clock rollsaround, I have to pick up Noah
(18:13):
and I hang up.
We hang out with her until shegoes to sleep, I make dinner,
and that's it.
I'm shot.
When and what what part of myday do I have the time and the
space and the energy to sit andjust explore?
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I believe it could be accomplished with 20 minutes of
meditation every day.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Okay, yeah, so I do meditate, yeah, I would be a
start.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
It would be meditating with the intention of
please guide me towards my nextthing.
Yeah, right, and justsurrendering to that, or Bob
Proctor, I don't want to talkabout Bob Proctor because we
were doing Bob Proctor.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I don't want to talk about Bob Proctor because we
were doing Bob Proctor for 30days and look at the shit we're
in.
Didn't work.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
We stopped.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
We did it for 30 days .
Speaker 2 (18:56):
We did.
We did the requested challenge.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
So I mean, that's where I am.
It's a big question mark and Iknow I'm sure a lot of people in
their 40s experience the samething.
Maybe you've had the same jobfor 10 years and you kind of
wake up and it's like what thefuck?
You know and I know a lot ofJews specifically also feel the
same way I just feel kind oflost.
(19:19):
You know, like things, thingshave changed for us and the
world has changed for us andwe've lost a lot of friends and
colleagues and businessopportunities and what's
happening in the world, andparticularly the rise in
anti-Semitism.
But also gained a lot we 100%gained a lot for sure, but it's
changed.
It's changed Everything.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
It's changed in a very permanent way, but I want
there to be see, even in likethat moment, there's no space
for the positive.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
I'm like Debbie Downer, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
But I want you to notice like there isn't any
space for the positive right now, like even in the way that you
talk, there's no space for thatpositive outcome, and I want you
to be able to notice that inreal time because it matters.
The words that you're puttingout there matter because it
reflects the energy that youhave inside of you.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Oh my God, you're so annoying.
I know I love you, but you'reso annoying.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Okay, tell me, push back on any part that you feel.
No, you're right 100%.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
This is not me.
Bitching and complaining is notme, it's not my vibe, also not
true, also not true.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Also not true, also not true.
Part of you is that way, partof me is that way.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Well, it's not what I want to be.
That's not the part of you.
(20:54):
You want to speak the loudestright now and it's controlling
the narrative Okay, but butdon't resist the part of you and
don't ignore the part of you.
That's there.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
That is positive, be grateful, grateful, gratitude,
gratitude.
But after a couple of months ofbeing grateful, green and like,
like, like you're getting shiton constantly, like you kind of
like, yeah, it's the next, it'sthe next level of, of testing
your awareness, oh.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Testing, testing, yeah, oh yeah, we can.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
We can roll our eyes and we can push back and we can
fight it, and we can.
Then we get stuck in it.
I mean, like, ultimately,that's what happens, is we get
stuck in it and then we getcomfortable like that's the next
, that's the next level.
Then we get so comfortable inthe shit that now we're starting
to convince ourselves that'swhat we deserve, that's where
(21:26):
we're supposed to be and that'sall we're worth.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
So the thing is what I am in, the difference between
now and in previous times whereI felt stuck.
Now I'm putting one foot infront of the next and I'm
putting things out there and I'mhaving discussions with people
and I'm, you know, redoing myresume and putting together like
my portfolio, like I'm trying.
It's not like I'm just sittingand waiting for something to
(21:48):
happen.
I like listen.
It's hard because, like I said,I'm running, I'm still running
a business and I'm still workingand I'm still taking care of
two kids and you know takingcare of my health and being an
amazing, amazing wife.
Thank you, baby, really.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Trying, you know like I'm trying to cook every night.
That's actually one thingthat's been really fun for me
and really therapeutic is on.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
TikTok.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I was avoiding TikTok like the plague since October
7th, because I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
It is the seventh circle of hell.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
It is really horrible and very anti-Semitic and Gen Z
just yeah, I love you, gen Z,but I also some of you need to
go to go back to school and Iavoided it because it was very
triggering.
But I was like, let me changemy algorithm.
So I just like search for likeIsraeli food recipes and like
(22:46):
Jewish food recipes and likeIsraeli songs and artists and
whatever.
So the algorithm now thinks I'mIsraeli Well, I am, but like
the algorithm, is like onlythinks you're only.
Israeli no, but sometimes someanti-Semitic shit will sneak in
and I'm just like nope, nope,nope.
Um, I'll read the commentssometime just to see like the
don't read the comments, do notread the comments.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
You know the only reason I open TikTok right now.
Why is because when you edit avideo in CapCut and you don't
want the CapCut watermark, ohyeah, Download the TikTok and
then download from TikTok.
That's the only reason I openTikTok ever.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
So now the algorithm is like very friendly to me and
I stumbled upon the most amazingJewish, Israeli creators that
make you know that share recipes, and I'm fucking obsessed Like
I am obsessed.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Me too, by the way.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
And I just like been making recipes and saving
recipes and I've been cooking alot and we make Shabbat dinner
every Friday and it's just likethis big, it's such a big deal
and it's bringing me.
So that's like one thing in mylife right now that brings me so
much joy and so muchsatisfaction is our Shabbat
(24:08):
dinner.
You know, like Friday, after Idisconnect at like two o'clock,
I get all my stuff, as muchstuff done as possible, and I
start cooking at two and then wesit and have dinner.
You know, I'll put RealHousewives of Beverly Hills,
I'll pour myself a glass of wine, I'll cook or have people over
you know, sometimes we'll havepeople over and we'll eat and
(24:30):
we'll just and we'll just chillout and it's just like my
favorite day of the week and itjust brings me and I just love
doing shabbat like, yeah, that'slike one thing that came out of
all this mess is the like, myappreciation for my culture and
for my traditions.
And I didn't.
I grew up in a very secularhome like my parents, don't my
(24:53):
parents like we.
We did the holidays, but it wasvery like, you know, chill,
like my mom served fried shrimpat passover a couple years ago,
like I was, like what are you?
doing.
Shrimp isn't kosher, obviously,but like and it was breaded
shrimp too.
I'm like mom, like this is nota real passover.
We didn't even read this.
The hagadah I was just like Iwas.
(25:15):
This is just a regular dinner.
This is not a satyr it's crazy.
So I grew up and that's the kindof home I grew up like, yeah,
with.
My grandparents were alive, wedid the whole thing.
My grandfather was a little bitmore religious but that was it
like Like I wasn't.
I was exposed to it because Iwent to a Jewish school and my
friends, you know, did Shabbatand I would go to their house
for sure, but it was alwayscurious about it, but in my home
(25:38):
like it wasn't something thatwe really did.
So I feel like now, at 40, I'mkind of rediscovering like my
Judaism and you know I alwayssaid, you know I always
associate myself more as Israeli.
You know like like less Jewish,more Israeli.
But now I'm kind of like youknow, equally both and it's
(26:01):
really nice and celebrating allthe like we did two Bishva,
which is some random fuckingholiday that I've never
celebrated.
It's like a spring holiday,yeah we planted three trees.
We planted three trees in Israeland sent the notes to
anti-Semitic friends.
No, we didn't do that.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Wait, what Is that part of?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
it.
That's a prank.
So there's a prank that peoplehave been doing is, if they have
anti-Zionist people in theirfamily, they plant trees on
their behalf.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Oh, I get it.
I get it, which is hilarious.
That is funny.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
But yeah, that's been like a big.
That's been bringing me, youknow, a lot, a lot of joy.
It's like you know what was thepoint of that?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Nothing, what was the point of that, nothing.
You were going down a path ofall of the negative things, and
then I you steer me back.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I nudged you.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
We've been on Lynn's cooking show for.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Is that what I should do?
My own cooking channel?
No, that shit's hard man it ishard.
Yeah, like taking the videos isso hard.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
And editing Videoing cooking is difficult.
It is hard, yeah, like takingthe videos is so hard and
editing Videoing cooking isdifficult.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
And also I don't do like like no, you're not a
recipe Like.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
you're not a strict recipe, girl Like.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I, I like I look at it and I'm like, okay, and then
I like, do my own maybe thatcould be your you know, it's
like a little bit of this alittle bit of that, and you got
to just taste you know, that'show my mom cooks.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yeah, I mean you're both great cooks, so whatever it
is, it works.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
So that's been, yeah, that's been bringing me a lot
of, a lot of joy right now.
So really just taking it likeone day at a time yeah, at this
point, and circle back totoddler life.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Like we have a toddler she's, she is, I swear
to god, she's in the terribletwos already no, oh my god I
don't know, I don't have anycontext, but it feels like it.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
It feels mia, my eldest, who's 11, was an angel
in comparison to what we areexperiencing.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
My mom said I did not mess with anything.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Noah is wow, she's a bully.
She bullies me, she throws shit, she pulls my hair, she throws
shit at me.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
You literally hurl stuff at your feet.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
She hurls stuff at my feet.
I literally have a black bruiseon my on my foot from her
dropping stuff on my feet.
She screams at me, screams atme and then will come sit on me
and like hug me and like I can't.
Obviously I'm not gonna be madat her.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
She eats dog food, loves dog, that's not just her,
though I think that's a thing.
Dogs love dog food.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, you know, plays with the dog water.
Have you tried it Huh?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Have you tried the dog food?
No, why would I do?
Speaker 1 (28:45):
that it's disgusting.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
She like everything she's not supposed to do she
does she does a tour, likeshe'll do a tour throughout the
entire house of all the thingsshe's not supposed to do, like
back to back to back, likeyou'll steer away from one and
she'll move on to the next one.
It's crazy, it's so it's and.
I got a list.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Oh my God.
And then we put her in thelittle cage thing and she, she's
screaming Like she doesn't wantto be Kate.
I get it.
I wouldn't want it either.
But like I don't know, likewhat do you do with?
I haven't figured it out.
Don't tell me All you parentswith the arts and crafts, like,
(29:22):
shut the fuck up.
No, I'm not, I'm not building acraft thing, I'm not doing that
.
No, no.
And the worst part.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
She doesn't even want to watch TV.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Oh, she wants to mess around, she just looks for
trouble all day.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Maybe we should just give her some simpler shit to
play with, like just give herthe cardboard boxes and let her
go nuts and not worry about like.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
That's fine, I'm fine , but I'm not building a whole
like uh, you know, likesomething in a Ziploc bag and
I'm sure it's easy, but like no,my God, but yeah that's where
we're at, that's where we are.
At least she's sleeping throughthe night.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
She's sleeping through the night.
Yeah, we've had a couple wonkyones when she was more in the
thick of her cold spell,everybody was right Sending her
to daycare.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yeah, they just always get sick.
You take the positives and thenegatives apparently that's all
you can do, but she's liking itlike.
The first two weeks were brutalat least two weeks.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
She was very resistant when we brought her
there and then, like today, youdropped her off.
She was smiling at the, at thecaretaker, like, near her, like
was ready to rock.
I don't know what happened whenwe left.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
She's growing up my sweet little angel.
Okay, let's talk about.
So we went on a trip.
We didn't talk about our trip.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah, yeah yeah, so we went on a week now.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Previous episode we had an episode like a couple of
uh, maybe a year ago, probably,after we traveled with noah to
miami she was like a couple ofmonths old and we also took her
to israel at a couple of monthsand we were like it was so easy
and she slept through the night.
Oh, I recommend just travel,just take them everywhere.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
You know what I mean they're different people every
three but toddlers oh and andand let's be clear, like really
looking back on the flights, shewas not the worst she could
have been there were momentswhere she was challenging.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
I think it's just you forget.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I remember getting off the plane and going like
that was hard, but not for allof the reasons, necessarily
because she was acting up.
It's just hard Like there's nospace for her.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah, like she wants to wiggle around.
We're a little cheap and we'retaking advantage of her being
under two, not a little cheap,we're not going to spend $900 on
a round trip to the VirginIslands for her to have a seat.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
That what she's going to freak out in any way?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
We should have done it.
Your parents paid for it.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
That was not part of the deal we are.
We're doing it for the cruisehere in a couple months.
She will get a seat, thank God.
Honestly, I don't know how muchbetter that's going to be.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
We're going to put a car seat in the seat and then
we're going to strap her in andgive her budget drugs.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
I'm kidding.
I'm waiting for this momentwhere you tell me how it's going
to be, or there's also like athing like a seat extender.
Like.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I saw on Amazon like it's for toddlers and you put it
you're like box them in.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I don't know.
I know what you're talkingabout.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
We're going to.
I.
I follow a few like travelinfluencers who travel with and
that's her whole.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Thing.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Maybe we'll have her on the show and get like all the
details.
Let's definitely do that.
Let's book her on, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Because at this point , until I've experienced it, I
really can't see how worth it itwill be to have the extra seat,
because she's still going to bea maniac.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
It'll be fine.
We're going to strap her in.
It's going to be okay.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
But like in a straight jacket, or else what
are we doing?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, I don't know.
Oh, have kids.
They said It'll be fun.
They said Nobody said that.
Nobody said that I love mylisten.
I'm in a you're probablylistening and you're like who
the fuck is this?
You're not used to me.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
It's fine.
You keep it real online as well.
You post the messy bitssometimes too I do, I am, I'm
messy listen, it is what it islike.
Fucking life is sloppy.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
That's why people love me or hate me, because I'm
just yeah.
It is what is in it in it um.
Okay, real quick.
What shows are we loving rightnow?
Speaker 2 (33:39):
The Apples Don't Fall , yeah, apples Don't Fall, yeah,
I don't know.
Okay, but it's the same authorof Big Little Lies and Nine
Perfect Strangers.
It is so good the name escapesme, but this is her new TV
adaptation miniseries.
It's exactly what you think itwould be.
(34:03):
I'm not sure that I'll put itup there with big little lies
and nine perfect strangers.
Those both were very, very good, but so is this.
It's not quite there, but it'sif it scratches, that it's very
and also vanderpump vanderpump'sback how are we, how do we feel
about vanderbilt?
uh, so it is.
It's good because we like thestorylines.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
It's not blowing me away opinion the show is nothing
without tom sandoval.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yes I don't think that's an unpopular opinion.
Yes, he's a piece of shit straw.
That he is the worst.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
He is actually the worst.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
The worst Is he, because Ariana is giving him a
run for his money right now.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
I think Ariana Okay, I was thinking about this, I
think Ariana, I think we're justnot used to seeing women on TV
upholding their boundaries.
I think she just has boundariesand I and I was kind of like,
yeah, she's a little likeintense with it, but I get it.
You know, he really fucked herover and like I understand that
she doesn't want people herfriends that are around her
(35:04):
hanging out with him and because, like you know, like he's a
weasel has changed.
He's a.
He's a weasel like he could in.
Like it's not that I like Idon't love ariana either.
I like I don't know you knowwhat I mean.
In the real life would I befriends with her?
Probably not, you know what Imean.
You would not.
But I get her Like I get likeshe's just like that's self,
like we're just not used toseeing that on TV, so like
(35:27):
automatically we're like oh,she's a bitch, she's the villain
, she's, you know.
Like how dare she?
Like you know what I mean, butlike I her boundaries.
She's like you can be friendswith tom sandoval, but like I
don't want to hang out with you.
If you're gonna hang out withhim, you know what I'm saying.
Because like she under, sheknows how the game, how this tv,
this show works.
He's gonna start hanging outwith sheena and lala and
(35:48):
whatever, and then he's gonnaend up in the same room as her,
which we see in a.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
It's gonna be in the it looks like it's about to get
it's about to happen and likeshe doesn't want that.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
you know, and I get that Like listen.
You know like he cheated on her.
It was a huge scandal thatended up helping her career, but
still it's painful and theylive in the same house.
That's weird.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah, it's also fun.
What that part's fun for.
The storyline it's great.
His assistant is low-key star,oh my.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
God, poor her, what she has to deal with.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I hope he pays her a lot of money.
I don't know, who knows.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Whatever he pays.
She doesn't have to Be hisassistant All these celebrity
assistants, like I'm watchingReal Housewives Of Beverly Hills
and I'm on season 13.
Do you know the characters onBeverly Hills?
Sutton.
So Sutton is one of the momsthe women, she's a mom too, and
her assistant, his name, is Avi.
Beverly Hills, sutton.
So Sutton is one of the momsnot moms the women she's a mom
too, and her assistant, his nameis Avi.
(36:44):
And obviously I was like, oh,avi Israeli, but she treats him
horribly, oh my God, and I feelso bad.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
People work in situations by choice.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
And it's on TV.
She's like berating him.
How is that okay, these people?
Speaker 2 (37:04):
What else are we watching?
Speaker 1 (37:05):
We're watching Love Island, of course.
But, we've finished all of LoveIsland seasons that now we're
on season three yeah, Seasonthree.
They were smoking, they weresmoking cigarettes.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
The house is trashed.
There's like beer cans all overthe place, like the.
It's uh, far more gratuitous atmoments than any of the newer
seasons.
Like they are, yeah, they it'sthey tightened up they really
tightened up, like they classedit up I remember watching
briefly the first season andbeing like this is a completely
different show.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
This is not the same show we've been watching.
Go back in time and just seeWatching in reverse is hilarious
.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
It's like watching somebody that used to have it
really together slowly fallapart over time and get into
drugs and alcohol?
Speaker 1 (37:52):
No, but them smoking butts and being like hey, do you
want to talk to that bird?
They're like, and they're justlike smoking cigarettes.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
No, it is uh, a completely different show.
Like the producers, I gottagive them credit because they
they mix it up and play with theformat on that show throughout
the season so much and do it insuch a way that just improves it
every time, like even with thethe different things that they
bring in as far as like elementsin terms of, like movie night
and the award show, yeah, likethey find different ways to make
(38:25):
it better without leaning intohere's a bunch of hot people
doing hot people stuff, right,right, they could lean into like
the gratuitous stuff, butthey've actually done the
opposite and moved further awayfrom it.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah, they classed it up.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
And made it a better show.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Yeah so like the producers on that show are kind
of genius when it comes to, weneed like a reality show about
the production of Love Island.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
They're sort of genius on that show in terms of
how they manipulate thesituations but also make it so
entertaining without going, tonyand I talk about what, if we
were like a couple on LoveIsland, like Tony and I, would
be so antisocial.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
We would like get together probably on the first
day and we'd probably beexclusive after day two and we
would just sit on the day bedand just gossip.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah, the producers would come in and make some game
that forced us apart, or somecrap like that, and then, yeah,
they would screw with us forsure.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
We wouldn't let them because we're in love.
On that note, right, I hope yougot something out of this,
because I don't know if you did.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
I can't wait to try and summarize this show.
I don't have no idea what tocall it or what it was like
we're supposed to be helpingpeople.
Well, Well, maybe it helps tosee some of the bullshit in
somebody else and be like okay.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Listen, we're all human.
I'm going to try to get my shittogether.
I'm working on it, you're goingto you always do.
Right now I'm going to go putsome pajamas on and make my tea
and go to sleep.
Do it.
Thanks for listening.
Bye, bye, thank you.
Hey, welcome to the Lynn and Tony Know podcast.
I'm your host, Lynn.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And I'm Tony.
We are both wellness coachesand married with kids.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Join us as we talk about all things health,
wellness, relationships, lifehacks, parenting and everything
in between, unfiltered.
Thanks for listening and let'sget into it.
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
First solo episode in a while.
In a minute we're going tocatch up.
Yeah, it's a lot to catch up on.
I was actually thinking aboutthis earlier.
When we had Noah newborn, thefirst six months, eight months,
we had our shit together.
We were recording every week.
(00:41):
We had a good routine.
I don't know, I felt like likethree to six month range yeah,
like I felt like like we knewwhat we were doing.
And now, uh, noah is a year anda couple of months old and shit
has hit the fucking fan in everyway possible yeah like every
(01:03):
day feels like, feels like a,like a hurricane, like there's
no no reprieve, yeah, yeah.
Like all, like I feel, like youknow, we would talk about like
our morning routines and our sexlife and like everything was on
point.
Like our morning routine was onpoint, our sex life was on
point, like everything was onpoint, and now it is not yeah,
(01:28):
no, do you want to?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
elaborate I'm really wondering, like, what is like
underneath all of that?
Like there's obviously beensome.
I mean, she's changed, our dayshave changed.
She goes to daycare now.
That's another variable so,which means I'm back at in the
(01:53):
office pretty much full time now.
So that's another variable andoutside of that the global
energetic variables that haveplayed out over the past seven
months, which this is not whatthis one's about.
But that's there right.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
That's a hum in the background.
That is static, that is alwaysringing.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
So there's a lot of different things at play, and I
mean, if nothing else, what I'venoticed with having a small
child is that once you have aphase figured out, it's on to
the next phase.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
So you really I just feel like I don't know.
I feel like we had our shitmuch more locked in, even though
we weren't sleeping as great,even though it was hectic,
because we're taking care of ababy Now we're sleeping through
the night.
Now she's in daycare.
It should be easier.
Baby, now we're sleepingthrough the night.
Now she's in daycare.
It should be easier.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I also think that biologically you have
rose-colored glasses on a bit Abit.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I don't know, I just feel like I believe there is an
evolutionary imperative.
I was meditating every day.
I was going like there is anevolutionary.
I was meditating every day.
I was going outside for walksevery day, I was doing my shit,
like my morning routine, my, mystuff, you know, and I was
getting stuff done.
And now it gets to a pointwhere it's like four o'clock I
still haven't showered yet, likeyou know what I mean.
(03:23):
Like bare minimum, evenmeditating five minutes, it's
just like everything's a fuckingmess right now.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, there's also another factor that's come to
play in the past four months.
Specifically is like we havenot spent more than a week all
of us in this house househealthy, like yes like that has
been from Christmas COVID topresent day.
There has not.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
And everybody told me this about sending Noah to
daycare that she was going toget sick a lot.
And lo and behold, we have beengetting sick a lot and I don't
ever get sick, never, never,never get sick.
Yeah, and I've been sick on andoff since the end of December
(04:08):
and, yeah, that can really wearon you At some point.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I'm just waiting for my white blood cells to just,
you know, pick up their shieldsand swords and be like we got it
from here, like enough of this.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I mean, you seem healthy.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
I'm still like I probably sound crazy side of it
a bit, but you were also thelast one to like seem to come
down with this round.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
So I give you a day or two and you'll be back to
normal, but my god and also likethe reason I want to bring this
up, because I feel like peoplefollow us and look at us and
they're like, oh, you know, theywork out, they have their shit
together.
Like they're on point, like no,we are not on point, our life
is a fucking shit show of a mess.
Like we're in, like yeah, likeit's not good, things are not
(04:59):
good.
We're having we're still havingsex, not as often as I'd like to
be like we, we like to averageon like three or four times a
week yeah we are more on theonce or twice yeah, a week,
which I know is really goodstill when you have kids and a
very busy schedule.
Yeah, but for us it's not.
(05:21):
It's like not.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Everything's taking a little bit of a hit.
I mean even the podcast.
There's been stretches whereit's been two weeks before we
get an episode out because wehave 9,000 things going on.
Part of it is, I find, that themore that you resist what's
(05:45):
there like, the more it's goingto prolong, like it's just going
to keep going until you kind ofcome into acceptance and go
okay, here's what's happening.
I hear the things I can'tcontrol, and here are the things
I can't and we're in the like.
The one thing that I feel thatyou've articulated pretty well
(06:06):
is that awareness to it Like,yeah, like things are crazy.
It feels like a tornado everysingle day, like dodging arrows
constantly and they're comingfrom everywhere, literally,
literally, like take your pick,take your genre, take your field
of work, life, health, the guyfrom the Matrix going like you
(06:27):
know, like it's just like lifetasks coming at me you know,
yeah, and we're dressed likewe're in the Matrix right now
too, and that's not even onpurpose.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I'm still in workout clothes from this morning.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, I mean, it's one of those, and I keep
reminding myself that it'ssimply a season that we're in
right now.
This is not forever, this isnot permanent.
This is a wave, this is thetrough.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
It's a shit season.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
It's a shit season, but it is not something that we
get to avoid and it does feellike before the baby and maybe
even slightly after the baby,like you referenced.
Of course, the first 90 daysare their own thing Like nobody
gets to avoid that, but you'reall.
But at the same time you'resort of relieved of everything
(07:14):
else.
If you're fortunate which wewere so even at that, that 90
days, while incredibly difficult, you're well insulated from all
of the other shit for the mostpart if you're fortunate enough
to be in that position.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
But outside of that, prior to that, the waves just
felt so much longer and thehighs lasted longer and the lows
were shorter, and now it justfeels like choppier seas, like
they're quicker, like if we geton the peak at all, like right
now we're in a trough and itfeels like we've been in a
(07:51):
trough for a while, a very longtime, yeah, but also that just
means a very long peak is next,and I really do try to get back
to a place of gratitude becauseI know my life is wonderful and
amazing and, you know, I have aroof over my head and I have
food on the table and my kidsare healthy and like that's like
(08:12):
mostly and that's, you know, myfamily's healthy, like I'm very
, I'm more fortunate than 99% ofthe world, you know, sure, but
then there's that other sidewhere it's like why can't I get
my shit together?
You know, yeah, and every day Itry, every day I wake up and
it's like you're just gettingback on the bike and today I was
(08:33):
like, okay, I'm going tomeditate and I'm going to do my
affirmations and I do it and Idid a little workout, and every
day you try and every day youtry.
And really, you know, I wantedto talk about this on this
podcast because I feel like,especially with social media and
just people on the Internet,you see, like their highlights
and some people are authenticand real, but like you might see
(08:56):
us and like we cold plunge andwe do all these things, but we
also like we haven't really coldplunge also you know, because
we've been sick, but you knowwe're going through it like
anybody else, and we're, youknow things are.
Things are rough, like I'lladmit, like I'm almost at a
place where I was like maybe Ishould go on antidepressants or
anti anxiety because it's justlike like I want some, you know,
(09:19):
feeling of relief and where'dyou land on that?
Uh, you know, it's interestingbecause for I have, I have no
judgment against it there arepeople in my family who who take
it and it helps themtremendously and I always try to
convince them to go off of itand like do other things, like
meditate and whatever, Um, and Ido all those things, like I do
(09:44):
all the mental health thingsthat you could possibly do, and
I still feel like I can't getyou know ahead of it and I just
like like it's a really low timeright now in my life and I
don't know.
Some relief sounds kind of nice, but I have this stubborn side
of me that wants to get throughit without it, you know is that?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
is that stubborn?
Do you think that's stubborn?
Is that how you've sort oflabeled it?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I don't know, I like, I'm I guess I'm the type of
person that has a hard timeasking for help and and taking a
pill that could potentiallyhelp me and even if it's just
temporary, like I, have aproblem with that.
You know, it's like oh, I'mtaking something that when I
like, well, I can't help myself.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Like you feel like you're cheating.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
But also things are just not great, like I just
don't feel mentally myself, likeI'm like and it affects
everything else in my life and Iwant to be able to.
I just need some relief.
You know the chatter, thechatter, the chatter, the
anxiety Like people with anxietywho are listening understand.
It's just constant in your headand you're like shut the fuck
(10:57):
up.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
And, yeah, you can meditate and cold plunge and
that helps 100% and I willcontinue doing those things.
But to what point are you like?
Okay, like I do need more help,you know.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Is there a part of you that recognizes that this
has been presented as an option,when maybe those habits haven't
been in place for the, for the,for a longer stretch than
normal?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I think I think I've always had anxiety.
Obviously, the time that I'm inright now in this season is a
lot more intense for me and alsotraumatizing.
And the rise in anti-Semitismand being a Jewish public figure
(11:47):
online all of that is just likea recipe for disaster.
Being unwell, just being unwell, and like, yeah, it's like.
You know, I look at it this way, like I have the problem, this
is my problem.
And every habit like chips awayyou know every healthy habit
(12:08):
like eating well, exercising,walking outside it chips.
Every habit like chips away atthat.
You know every healthy habitlike eating well, exercising,
walking outside it chips away.
It chips away, but it's notchipping away enough for me to
feel well.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
In normal times it does, it helps, but right now,
the time that I am going throughin my life, it's not like none
of it is helping.
Yeah, you know like and wetalked about October 7th and we
talked about the anti-SemitismI'm also going through some sort
of like I don't like to call ita myth Is it a midlife crisis?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Okay.
So this is interesting because,yes, on paper, that's what it
would be right.
That's what most people wouldsay is a midlife crisis Now, in
your particular case.
Life crisis Now in yourparticular case, and with the
work that you've done, you knowit can be.
It can be labeled a midlifecrisis, or it can be labeled
like your next round ofawakening, right, which can feel
(13:05):
like crisis.
It can feel like it rings everyalarm bell that you have, like
everything I've done up to thispoint is a lie and everything I
that used to fulfill me doesn'tfulfill me anymore, and what the
fuck like I'm?
I'm 40 years old and I'msupposed to start over and start
new and whatever basically, youjust told you what I'm going
through yeah, yeah, I'm sorryyou know, yeah, spoiler alert,
um, but yeah, yeah, like that's.
Yes, there are a lot of people,like anybody that's experienced
(13:27):
a midlife crisis, isexperiencing what you are
experiencing right now.
Right, what I also believe isthat what you're experiencing
can have multiple differentinterpretations, some of them
very negative and some of themvery hopeful and positive, in
between trying to figure outwhat it means for you and where
(13:48):
to go next, you know, when youquit your corporate job to
pursue a blog, that wasn't acrisis, but you were in the same
kind of thing.
It was still the same cycle.
It was still a similar season.
It feels different now.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
It feels different because I feel like now there's
a lot more at stake, sure,whereas back then I didn't.
You know.
Like, yeah, I had a kid, but Ihad.
Like now there's a lot more atstake, whereas back then I
didn't.
You know, like I, yeah, I had akid, but I had a, like a good
job.
I had, you know, money in thebank, I had a savings you know
what I mean like it's different.
Like now I'm going from beingrunning my own business for 10
years, you know, to not knowingwhat I want to do next, right,
(14:26):
and you know, there's like aparts of me that's like feels
like a failure, like I worked sohard to get to where I am today
and you know it, feeling likeit's no longer working for me,
feels like, oh what?
Where did I fail you?
know what I mean Like where didI go wrong?
Like I could have, you know, Iremember like years ago, five
years ago I remember years agofive years ago, I started my
(14:49):
marketing agency, three yearsafter I started the blog, and it
blew up and it was a hugesuccess.
I had 10 employees and then thepandemic happened and, like a
lot of businesses, it ruined meand I think from there I just
never recovered and I was soburnt out from years of of the
(15:12):
grinding and waking up at 4amand working 12 hour days and I
was just so burnt out.
Uh, and then, after thepandemic, like I met you and we
fell in love and we had thiswhole love story and like I was
focused on that.
Yeah, and then I had Noah and Iand motherhood and just all
those things like shifted what Ishifted, like my desires, you
(15:37):
know, and and I was, and that'swhen I went to get my
certificate in health, nutritionand I did that when I was
pregnant and right beforeOctober 7th I was planning like
I hired a health coach andeverything and I was planning on
starting my own business coach.
I'm sorry.
I hired a business coach tohelp me, you know, build this
(15:59):
online business where it wasgoing to be like a health coach,
like more like relationshipcoaching for women single women
and women in relationship and Ihad a whole, like you know
workshop and everything.
I had like everything done andI even had a photo shoot
scheduled for like mid-October,like I was so excited and ready
to pursue something new and thenwoke up October 7th and that
(16:28):
everything just went, you know,down the drain and that desire
to want to start this businessjust evaporated.
It's like I have no desire.
I, you know, explored a monthago or month and a half ago,
explored the idea of gettingback to it, but I don't have any
desire to do it.
(16:48):
It's like my purpose haschanged.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Okay, but you don't know where yet.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
No.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
And one of the things that you struggle with is
giving yourself the grace tofigure it out without a timeline
.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah, because I don't feel like I have that luxury
Like I, you know I'm.
We live in a capitalisticsociety.
We have, I have Mia in aprivate school, I have Noah in
daycare, you know we have tripsand and thing, bills to pay and
groceries and all that stuff,and I wish I could take like a
six month sabbatical and justfigure, you know, find myself or
(17:30):
meditate all day, whatever.
But I don't.
You know we don't have thatluxury right now.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
you know, right, but you're also putting the idea of
finding yourself in this oneidea box of oh, I need all of
this time and space in order tofigure it out, and limiting
yourself to that's it.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Yeah, but how am I supposed to?
Here's the thing, though how amI supposed to figure out what
my purpose is if I'm spendingmost of my working day working
hustling in the job?
That doesn't fulfill me at all,right, and then, by the time
evening three o'clock rollsaround, I have to pick up Noah
(18:13):
and I hang up.
We hang out with her until shegoes to sleep, I make dinner,
and that's it.
I'm shot.
When and what what part of myday do I have the time and the
space and the energy to sit andjust explore?
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I believe it could be accomplished with 20 minutes of
meditation every day.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Okay, yeah, so I do meditate, yeah, I would be a
start.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
It would be meditating with the intention of
please guide me towards my nextthing.
Yeah, right, and justsurrendering to that, or Bob
Proctor, I don't want to talkabout Bob Proctor because we
were doing Bob Proctor.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I don't want to talk about Bob Proctor because we
were doing Bob Proctor for 30days and look at the shit we're
in.
Didn't work.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
We stopped.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
We did it for 30 days .
Speaker 2 (18:56):
We did.
We did the requested challenge.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
So I mean, that's where I am.
It's a big question mark and Iknow I'm sure a lot of people in
their 40s experience the samething.
Maybe you've had the same jobfor 10 years and you kind of
wake up and it's like what thefuck?
You know and I know a lot ofJews specifically also feel the
same way I just feel kind oflost.
(19:19):
You know, like things, thingshave changed for us and the
world has changed for us andwe've lost a lot of friends and
colleagues and businessopportunities and what's
happening in the world, andparticularly the rise in
anti-Semitism.
But also gained a lot we 100%gained a lot for sure, but it's
changed.
It's changed Everything.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
It's changed in a very permanent way, but I want
there to be see, even in likethat moment, there's no space
for the positive.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
I'm like Debbie Downer, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
But I want you to notice like there isn't any
space for the positive right now, like even in the way that you
talk, there's no space for thatpositive outcome, and I want you
to be able to notice that inreal time because it matters.
The words that you're puttingout there matter because it
reflects the energy that youhave inside of you.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Oh my God, you're so annoying.
I know I love you, but you'reso annoying.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Okay, tell me, push back on any part that you feel.
No, you're right 100%.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
This is not me.
Bitching and complaining is notme, it's not my vibe, also not
true, also not true.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Also not true, also not true.
Part of you is that way, partof me is that way.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Well, it's not what I want to be.
That's not the part of you.
(20:54):
You want to speak the loudestright now and it's controlling
the narrative Okay, but butdon't resist the part of you and
don't ignore the part of you.
That's there.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
That is positive, be grateful, grateful, gratitude,
gratitude.
But after a couple of months ofbeing grateful, green and like,
like, like you're getting shiton constantly, like you kind of
like, yeah, it's the next, it'sthe next level of, of testing
your awareness, oh.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Testing, testing, yeah, oh yeah, we can.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
We can roll our eyes and we can push back and we can
fight it, and we can.
Then we get stuck in it.
I mean, like, ultimately,that's what happens, is we get
stuck in it and then we getcomfortable like that's the next
, that's the next level.
Then we get so comfortable inthe shit that now we're starting
to convince ourselves that'swhat we deserve, that's where
(21:26):
we're supposed to be and that'sall we're worth.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
So the thing is what I am in, the difference between
now and in previous times whereI felt stuck.
Now I'm putting one foot infront of the next and I'm
putting things out there and I'mhaving discussions with people
and I'm, you know, redoing myresume and putting together like
my portfolio, like I'm trying.
It's not like I'm just sittingand waiting for something to
(21:48):
happen.
I like listen.
It's hard because, like I said,I'm running, I'm still running
a business and I'm still workingand I'm still taking care of
two kids and you know takingcare of my health and being an
amazing, amazing wife.
Thank you, baby, really.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Trying, you know like I'm trying to cook every night.
That's actually one thingthat's been really fun for me
and really therapeutic is on.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
TikTok.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I was avoiding TikTok like the plague since October
7th, because I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
It is the seventh circle of hell.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
It is really horrible and very anti-Semitic and Gen Z
just yeah, I love you, gen Z,but I also some of you need to
go to go back to school and Iavoided it because it was very
triggering.
But I was like, let me changemy algorithm.
So I just like search for likeIsraeli food recipes and like
(22:46):
Jewish food recipes and likeIsraeli songs and artists and
whatever.
So the algorithm now thinks I'mIsraeli Well, I am, but like
the algorithm, is like onlythinks you're only.
Israeli no, but sometimes someanti-Semitic shit will sneak in
and I'm just like nope, nope,nope.
Um, I'll read the commentssometime just to see like the
don't read the comments, do notread the comments.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
You know the only reason I open TikTok right now.
Why is because when you edit avideo in CapCut and you don't
want the CapCut watermark, ohyeah, Download the TikTok and
then download from TikTok.
That's the only reason I openTikTok ever.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
So now the algorithm is like very friendly to me and
I stumbled upon the most amazingJewish, Israeli creators that
make you know that share recipes, and I'm fucking obsessed Like
I am obsessed.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Me too, by the way.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
And I just like been making recipes and saving
recipes and I've been cooking alot and we make Shabbat dinner
every Friday and it's just likethis big, it's such a big deal
and it's bringing me.
So that's like one thing in mylife right now that brings me so
much joy and so muchsatisfaction is our Shabbat
(24:08):
dinner.
You know, like Friday, after Idisconnect at like two o'clock,
I get all my stuff, as muchstuff done as possible, and I
start cooking at two and then wesit and have dinner.
You know, I'll put RealHousewives of Beverly Hills,
I'll pour myself a glass of wine, I'll cook or have people over
you know, sometimes we'll havepeople over and we'll eat and
(24:30):
we'll just and we'll just chillout and it's just like my
favorite day of the week and itjust brings me and I just love
doing shabbat like, yeah, that'slike one thing that came out of
all this mess is the like, myappreciation for my culture and
for my traditions.
And I didn't.
I grew up in a very secularhome like my parents, don't my
(24:53):
parents like we.
We did the holidays, but it wasvery like, you know, chill,
like my mom served fried shrimpat passover a couple years ago,
like I was, like what are you?
doing.
Shrimp isn't kosher, obviously,but like and it was breaded
shrimp too.
I'm like mom, like this is nota real passover.
We didn't even read this.
The hagadah I was just like Iwas.
(25:15):
This is just a regular dinner.
This is not a satyr it's crazy.
So I grew up and that's the kindof home I grew up like, yeah,
with.
My grandparents were alive, wedid the whole thing.
My grandfather was a little bitmore religious but that was it
like Like I wasn't.
I was exposed to it because Iwent to a Jewish school and my
friends, you know, did Shabbatand I would go to their house
for sure, but it was alwayscurious about it, but in my home
(25:38):
like it wasn't something thatwe really did.
So I feel like now, at 40, I'mkind of rediscovering like my
Judaism and you know I alwayssaid, you know I always
associate myself more as Israeli.
You know like like less Jewish,more Israeli.
But now I'm kind of like youknow, equally both and it's
(26:01):
really nice and celebrating allthe like we did two Bishva,
which is some random fuckingholiday that I've never
celebrated.
It's like a spring holiday,yeah we planted three trees.
We planted three trees in Israeland sent the notes to
anti-Semitic friends.
No, we didn't do that.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Wait, what Is that part of?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
it.
That's a prank.
So there's a prank that peoplehave been doing is, if they have
anti-Zionist people in theirfamily, they plant trees on
their behalf.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Oh, I get it.
I get it, which is hilarious.
That is funny.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
But yeah, that's been like a big.
That's been bringing me, youknow, a lot, a lot of joy.
It's like you know what was thepoint of that?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Nothing, what was the point of that, nothing.
You were going down a path ofall of the negative things, and
then I you steer me back.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I nudged you.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
We've been on Lynn's cooking show for.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Is that what I should do?
My own cooking channel?
No, that shit's hard man it ishard.
Yeah, like taking the videos isso hard.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
And editing Videoing cooking is difficult.
It is hard, yeah, like takingthe videos is so hard and
editing Videoing cooking isdifficult.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
And also I don't do like like no, you're not a
recipe Like.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
you're not a strict recipe, girl Like.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I, I like I look at it and I'm like, okay, and then
I like, do my own maybe thatcould be your you know, it's
like a little bit of this alittle bit of that, and you got
to just taste you know, that'show my mom cooks.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yeah, I mean you're both great cooks, so whatever it
is, it works.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
So that's been, yeah, that's been bringing me a lot
of, a lot of joy right now.
So really just taking it likeone day at a time yeah, at this
point, and circle back totoddler life.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Like we have a toddler she's, she is, I swear
to god, she's in the terribletwos already no, oh my god I
don't know, I don't have anycontext, but it feels like it.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
It feels mia, my eldest, who's 11, was an angel
in comparison to what we areexperiencing.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
My mom said I did not mess with anything.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Noah is wow, she's a bully.
She bullies me, she throws shit, she pulls my hair, she throws
shit at me.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
You literally hurl stuff at your feet.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
She hurls stuff at my feet.
I literally have a black bruiseon my on my foot from her
dropping stuff on my feet.
She screams at me, screams atme and then will come sit on me
and like hug me and like I can't.
Obviously I'm not gonna be madat her.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
She eats dog food, loves dog, that's not just her,
though I think that's a thing.
Dogs love dog food.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, you know, plays with the dog water.
Have you tried it Huh?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Have you tried the dog food?
No, why would I do?
Speaker 1 (28:45):
that it's disgusting.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
She like everything she's not supposed to do she
does she does a tour, likeshe'll do a tour throughout the
entire house of all the thingsshe's not supposed to do, like
back to back to back, likeyou'll steer away from one and
she'll move on to the next one.
It's crazy, it's so it's and.
I got a list.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Oh my God.
And then we put her in thelittle cage thing and she, she's
screaming Like she doesn't wantto be Kate.
I get it.
I wouldn't want it either.
But like I don't know, likewhat do you do with?
I haven't figured it out.
Don't tell me All you parentswith the arts and crafts, like,
(29:22):
shut the fuck up.
No, I'm not, I'm not building acraft thing, I'm not doing that
.
No, no.
And the worst part.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
She doesn't even want to watch TV.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Oh, she wants to mess around, she just looks for
trouble all day.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Maybe we should just give her some simpler shit to
play with, like just give herthe cardboard boxes and let her
go nuts and not worry about like.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
That's fine, I'm fine , but I'm not building a whole
like uh, you know, likesomething in a Ziploc bag and
I'm sure it's easy, but like no,my God, but yeah that's where
we're at, that's where we are.
At least she's sleeping throughthe night.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
She's sleeping through the night.
Yeah, we've had a couple wonkyones when she was more in the
thick of her cold spell,everybody was right Sending her
to daycare.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yeah, they just always get sick.
You take the positives and thenegatives apparently that's all
you can do, but she's liking itlike.
The first two weeks were brutalat least two weeks.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
She was very resistant when we brought her
there and then, like today, youdropped her off.
She was smiling at the, at thecaretaker, like, near her, like
was ready to rock.
I don't know what happened whenwe left.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
She's growing up my sweet little angel.
Okay, let's talk about.
So we went on a trip.
We didn't talk about our trip.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah, yeah yeah, so we went on a week now.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Previous episode we had an episode like a couple of
uh, maybe a year ago, probably,after we traveled with noah to
miami she was like a couple ofmonths old and we also took her
to israel at a couple of monthsand we were like it was so easy
and she slept through the night.
Oh, I recommend just travel,just take them everywhere.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
You know what I mean they're different people every
three but toddlers oh and andand let's be clear, like really
looking back on the flights, shewas not the worst she could
have been there were momentswhere she was challenging.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
I think it's just you forget.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I remember getting off the plane and going like
that was hard, but not for allof the reasons, necessarily
because she was acting up.
It's just hard Like there's nospace for her.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah, like she wants to wiggle around.
We're a little cheap and we'retaking advantage of her being
under two, not a little cheap,we're not going to spend $900 on
a round trip to the VirginIslands for her to have a seat.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
That what she's going to freak out in any way?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
We should have done it.
Your parents paid for it.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
That was not part of the deal we are.
We're doing it for the cruisehere in a couple months.
She will get a seat, thank God.
Honestly, I don't know how muchbetter that's going to be.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
We're going to put a car seat in the seat and then
we're going to strap her in andgive her budget drugs.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
I'm kidding.
I'm waiting for this momentwhere you tell me how it's going
to be, or there's also like athing like a seat extender.
Like.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I saw on Amazon like it's for toddlers and you put it
you're like box them in.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I don't know.
I know what you're talkingabout.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
We're going to.
I.
I follow a few like travelinfluencers who travel with and
that's her whole.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Thing.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Maybe we'll have her on the show and get like all the
details.
Let's definitely do that.
Let's book her on, yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Because at this point , until I've experienced it, I
really can't see how worth it itwill be to have the extra seat,
because she's still going to bea maniac.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
It'll be fine.
We're going to strap her in.
It's going to be okay.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
But like in a straight jacket, or else what
are we doing?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, I don't know.
Oh, have kids.
They said It'll be fun.
They said Nobody said that.
Nobody said that I love mylisten.
I'm in a you're probablylistening and you're like who
the fuck is this?
You're not used to me.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
It's fine.
You keep it real online as well.
You post the messy bitssometimes too I do, I am, I'm
messy listen, it is what it islike.
Fucking life is sloppy.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
That's why people love me or hate me, because I'm
just yeah.
It is what is in it in it um.
Okay, real quick.
What shows are we loving rightnow?
Speaker 2 (33:39):
The Apples Don't Fall , yeah, apples Don't Fall, yeah,
I don't know.
Okay, but it's the same authorof Big Little Lies and Nine
Perfect Strangers.
It is so good the name escapesme, but this is her new TV
adaptation miniseries.
It's exactly what you think itwould be.
(34:03):
I'm not sure that I'll put itup there with big little lies
and nine perfect strangers.
Those both were very, very good, but so is this.
It's not quite there, but it'sif it scratches, that it's very
and also vanderpump vanderpump'sback how are we, how do we feel
about vanderbilt?
uh, so it is.
It's good because we like thestorylines.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
It's not blowing me away opinion the show is nothing
without tom sandoval.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yes I don't think that's an unpopular opinion.
Yes, he's a piece of shit straw.
That he is the worst.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
He is actually the worst.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
The worst Is he, because Ariana is giving him a
run for his money right now.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
I think Ariana Okay, I was thinking about this, I
think Ariana, I think we're justnot used to seeing women on TV
upholding their boundaries.
I think she just has boundariesand I and I was kind of like,
yeah, she's a little likeintense with it, but I get it.
You know, he really fucked herover and like I understand that
she doesn't want people herfriends that are around her
(35:04):
hanging out with him and because, like you know, like he's a
weasel has changed.
He's a.
He's a weasel like he could in.
Like it's not that I like Idon't love ariana either.
I like I don't know you knowwhat I mean.
In the real life would I befriends with her?
Probably not, you know what Imean.
You would not.
But I get her Like I get likeshe's just like that's self,
like we're just not used toseeing that on TV, so like
(35:27):
automatically we're like oh,she's a bitch, she's the villain
, she's, you know.
Like how dare she?
Like you know what I mean, butlike I her boundaries.
She's like you can be friendswith tom sandoval, but like I
don't want to hang out with you.
If you're gonna hang out withhim, you know what I'm saying.
Because like she under, sheknows how the game, how this tv,
this show works.
He's gonna start hanging outwith sheena and lala and
(35:48):
whatever, and then he's gonnaend up in the same room as her,
which we see in a.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
It's gonna be in the it looks like it's about to get
it's about to happen and likeshe doesn't want that.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
you know, and I get that Like listen.
You know like he cheated on her.
It was a huge scandal thatended up helping her career, but
still it's painful and theylive in the same house.
That's weird.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah, it's also fun.
What that part's fun for.
The storyline it's great.
His assistant is low-key star,oh my.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
God, poor her, what she has to deal with.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I hope he pays her a lot of money.
I don't know, who knows.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Whatever he pays.
She doesn't have to Be hisassistant All these celebrity
assistants, like I'm watchingReal Housewives Of Beverly Hills
and I'm on season 13.
Do you know the characters onBeverly Hills?
Sutton.
So Sutton is one of the momsthe women, she's a mom too, and
her assistant, his name, is Avi.
Beverly Hills, sutton.
So Sutton is one of the momsnot moms the women she's a mom
too, and her assistant, his nameis Avi.
(36:44):
And obviously I was like, oh,avi Israeli, but she treats him
horribly, oh my God, and I feelso bad.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
People work in situations by choice.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
And it's on TV.
She's like berating him.
How is that okay, these people?
Speaker 2 (37:04):
What else are we watching?
Speaker 1 (37:05):
We're watching Love Island, of course.
But, we've finished all of LoveIsland seasons that now we're
on season three yeah, Seasonthree.
They were smoking, they weresmoking cigarettes.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
The house is trashed.
There's like beer cans all overthe place, like the.
It's uh, far more gratuitous atmoments than any of the newer
seasons.
Like they are, yeah, they it'sthey tightened up they really
tightened up, like they classedit up I remember watching
briefly the first season andbeing like this is a completely
different show.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
This is not the same show we've been watching.
Go back in time and just seeWatching in reverse is hilarious
.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
It's like watching somebody that used to have it
really together slowly fallapart over time and get into
drugs and alcohol?
Speaker 1 (37:52):
No, but them smoking butts and being like hey, do you
want to talk to that bird?
They're like, and they're justlike smoking cigarettes.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
No, it is uh, a completely different show.
Like the producers, I gottagive them credit because they
they mix it up and play with theformat on that show throughout
the season so much and do it insuch a way that just improves it
every time, like even with thethe different things that they
bring in as far as like elementsin terms of, like movie night
and the award show, yeah, likethey find different ways to make
(38:25):
it better without leaning intohere's a bunch of hot people
doing hot people stuff, right,right, they could lean into like
the gratuitous stuff, butthey've actually done the
opposite and moved further awayfrom it.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah, they classed it up.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
And made it a better show.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Yeah so like the producers on that show are kind
of genius when it comes to, weneed like a reality show about
the production of Love Island.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
They're sort of genius on that show in terms of
how they manipulate thesituations but also make it so
entertaining without going, tonyand I talk about what, if we
were like a couple on LoveIsland, like Tony and I, would
be so antisocial.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
We would like get together probably on the first
day and we'd probably beexclusive after day two and we
would just sit on the day bedand just gossip.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah, the producers would come in and make some game
that forced us apart, or somecrap like that, and then, yeah,
they would screw with us forsure.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
We wouldn't let them because we're in love.
On that note, right, I hope yougot something out of this,
because I don't know if you did.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
I can't wait to try and summarize this show.
I don't have no idea what tocall it or what it was like
we're supposed to be helpingpeople.
Well, Well, maybe it helps tosee some of the bullshit in
somebody else and be like okay.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Listen, we're all human.
I'm going to try to get my shittogether.
I'm working on it, you're goingto you always do.
Right now I'm going to go putsome pajamas on and make my tea
and go to sleep.
Do it.
Thanks for listening.
Bye, bye, thank you.
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