September 9, 2025 • 45 mins
Life changes in the most unexpected ways. After months of absence from our podcast, we're back with a birth story that's as dramatic as it is meaningful. Our journey to baby number three began in the aftermath of October 7th, a day that fundamentally changed how we viewed the world and our place in it. Amidst grief and trauma, we felt a spiritual calling to bring another Jewish child into the world, despite having previously considered our family complete.
What followed was a whirlwind pregnancy at age 42 and a birth experience that defied all expectations. From false alarms and desperate attempts to naturally induce labor (including a memorable prenatal massage from a therapist who looked like Mr. T!), to a middle-of-the-night rush to the hospital and a delivery that happened in just three minutes flat—the entire experience was intense, terrifying, and beautiful all at once.
The drama didn't end with delivery, as we discovered the umbilical cord had been wrapped around our daughter's neck, explaining the urgency that filled the delivery room. And later, complications from the epidural sent us back to the hospital for an emergency procedure. Through it all, we felt guided by something greater than ourselves, from the serendipitous timing of having our regular doctor on call to the arrival of family support just when we needed it most.
We share the deeply personal decision behind naming our daughter Arielle Eden, honoring two hostages who lost their live, a young boy and a young woman with whom I felt a special connection despite never having met. This episode isn't just about childbirth; it's about finding hope and purpose amidst tragedy, making spiritual decisions in a material world, and completing our family in the most unexpected way.
Whether you're planning a family, expanding one, or simply curious about the messy, beautiful reality of bringing new life into the world, join us for this raw, emotional conversation about our newest addition and the remarkable circumstances of her arrival.
Your hosts: @lynnhazan_ and @tonydoesknow
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, welcome to the Lynn and Tony Know podcast.
I'm your host, Lynn.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And I'm Tony.
We are both wellness coachesand married with kids.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Join us as we talk about all things health,
wellness, relationships, lifehacks, parenting and everything
in between, unfiltered.
Thanks for listening and let'sget into it.
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome back.
I don't know.
It's kind of weird to saywelcome back.
We've been gone for about aminute, so we kind of just
disappeared sort of.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Our last episode was about our four-year wedding
anniversary, which is end ofoctober really, yeah, yeah, yeah
, you look this up I justremember it being our last
episode, and then just lifehappened, um, I stopped sleeping
like yeah I stopped sleepingand I was like really taking a
(00:50):
lot of, I don't want to like gettoo into it, but um, that's not
what this one's about that'snot what we're not talking about
.
Insomnia now, but I'm better, um.
And then a couple of monthslater, surprise, we found out
that we were expecting babynumber three, who's sleeping
(01:11):
right now in my arms.
She exists and you knowpregnancy and everything.
But we wanted to come back andshare the birth story figure.
This is the best kind of outletto talk about everything that
went down.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, I mean, even if nobody heard this, this is
something that I would want on apermanent record because, quite
frankly, it was insane yeah forme to witness.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
It was nuts the whole thing and also like, as time
goes on, you start forgettingdetails.
So like, yeah, like you know,we're four days postpartum, so
we wanted to kind of sit andrecord everything.
So we have it you can also.
You know, maybe're four dayspostpartum, so we wanted to kind
of sit and record everything.
So we have it you can also, youknow, maybe get some tips and
tricks and whatever.
Uh, from our experience.
And yeah, where do you want tostart?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
well, we could.
We could start with the weekbefore you.
We had a false alarm yeah, nota false.
Well yeah like a.
Yeah had a false alarm.
Yes, not a false.
Well, yeah like a.
Yeah like a false alarm.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Essentially, so at 38 weeks.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
I, it's embarrassing.
I, oh, she's gonna, she's gonna.
We're gonna have to take somepauses.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
That's okay.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So at 38 weeks.
All right, we have a third hosttoday, all good so at 38 weeks
I um like woke up in the morninglike early in the morning.
I felt really wet and I didn'tunderstand what was going on.
(02:40):
And then it was happening likethroughout the day and I was
like, okay, either either mywater broke or I just you're
peed myself yeah and it's weirdbecause you normally feel like
if you're peeing yourself, likeyou feel it right, but like I
was just like wet, you know, andso I I emailed my doctor and I
(03:03):
was like you know, this iswhat's happening and she's like
she should come in and madeimmediately.
So it was like wednesday night,tony comes home and I'm like I
have to go to the hospitalbecause I think maybe my water
broke I'm not sure, you know andso I went in and of course, it
turns out that it was.
(03:24):
In fact, I urinated myself, infact, and it was definitely very
humbling.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Can't take that chance.
Yeah, you can't.
You can't take chances, it'sjust like it was.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
It's a schlep Like it's Mount Sinai in in, you know
, new York city with the drive,and we had Noah.
We didn't have you in New YorkCity.
We had to drive and we had Noah.
We didn't have a babysitter oranything like that.
It was a little stressful.
Then there was the thought ofoh, am I going to have to stay?
I don't have anything, I'm notready.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Well, back it up.
That wasn't a thought that wasput forth by the intake person.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
We have bad luck with intake people like, if you
listen to the birth, noah'sbirth story, we just have bad
luck with the admin not even badluck.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
It's just like kind of incompetent, incompetent
they're really sweet but likeincompetent.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
So I, I check in and she's like, uh, she's asking me
what the problem is.
I was like, oh, my doctor toldme to come.
Like I, you know, it might bemy water broke or I peed myself,
I'm not sure.
And she's like, oh well, you're38 weeks, you might not be
leaving this hospital.
I'm like panicking.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
She's panicking and I'm downstairs because I have
Noah and they won't let you upto that floor with a kid.
So I'm stuck downstairs and shetexts me the.
The secretary says I might haveto stay and I'm like why is the
secretary saying that?
So, of course.
Then it's like, okay, great, uh, that's, if that's a
(04:57):
possibility, I gotta.
I gotta take noah home and Igotta start making preparations,
because nobody's here like it'sjust me and noah.
And I gotta start making movesto get noah covered.
If I, if this is, if she'sgonna have to stay, so I go home
yeah, I was like go home putnoah down worst case, I'll uber
home and we'll figure it outthat's best case actually
Speaker 1 (05:19):
worst case is you get stuck there yeah, and then,
yeah, and that's what willhappen.
They're like everything's fine,you can go home, um, but you're
, you know, three centimetersand and that was it.
I went home and and then it waslike okay, like let's get this.
But then, you know, I was likeall right, like it's time to get
things moving.
I was at you know, a coupledays, like a day or two later I
(05:40):
was like ready to that you knowwhat.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Like that, that whole dry run was like kind of made
it real, like we were definitelyin any day now territory where
before it was like you know soon, it's definitely soon, we know
that.
But then you know, going to thehospital, driving the route
that we're going to drive, andthen the possibility, even if
the person doesn't have amedical degree, that she might
have to stay, made it like, oh,we're at, we're at that point,
(06:07):
it's time to be very ready yeah,it's time to be ready to go,
yeah, and and then it's likeit's kind of a mind fuck is, if
you're at the end of pregnancyand you're like ready to go,
you're just like let this be itbecause I can't do this anymore.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
But at the same time, you know, we weren't ready.
Like we we were waiting forTony's parents to come and so
that they can help out with Noah, like we have other kids that
we need to consider.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It's not like we can just like All of our backup
plans were gone Right.
Pretty much for that weekend,so.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Tony was like telling literally talking to the baby
in my stomach please wait forthe 26th of August.
I'm like, just come wheneveryou want to come.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
But anyway.
So the 25th rolls around Now.
Oh yes, we're talking about you.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yes, my, love.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
The 25th rolls around and I'm like, okay, tomorrow's
the 26th.
Now I also have concert ticketsto go see Oasis.
Now we bought these tickets,everybody knows.
Now I bought these tickets inDecember when, when they came
out and you know, a huge Oasisfan like I'm talking like fan
club, like super geeky, likeposters of Noel Gallagher I was
(07:19):
a Noel fan, like in love withhim, you know do you have to
pick one?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
as a young fan of oasis, are you supposed to like
you team?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
like, a like, a line with one but and no like.
Although liam is the like frontfront singer, noel writes all
the songs okay, so they bothhave their you know but?
And I was like no is moretalented and everybody's like in
love with liam, so if I had achance, I would have a chance
with no.
That was like my logic as a asa 12 year old like you were real
(07:47):
practical about your fan.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I was like I was practical.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Okay, I was like I'm more of a no fan, like I'm team
no and um, anyway, huge fan,like once in a lifetime concert
they're coming to met life,which is 20 minutes away from
here, have to go, bought thetickets, spend an arm and a leg,
fuck it like we're going.
This is my bucket list concert.
And so we bought the ticketsand then literally a month later
(08:10):
, found out, um, I'm pregnantand I'm literally due three days
after this concert.
So the clock is fucking ticking.
It's august 25.
Tony's parents are arrivingaugust 26.
Let it's operation get thisbaby out now.
Throughout my whole pregnancy,at a very active pregnancy, I
walked a lot, I, I, I strengthtrained, I ate like nutritious,
(08:34):
nutritiously.
So I think being active reallyhelps the process you know also
third baby too, right.
So it's, uh august 25th and Iwas like, okay, we, I'm doing
everything that I possibly canto get this baby out.
Your parents arrived august26th, so august 25th, uh, I did
(08:55):
the like I was eating dates dideverything I walked well, so
like that's I did.
I did most of everything on the26th, but on the 25th I was
like we need to have sex, youknow, because sex helps did that
and sex helps like induce labor, like the sperm is, is like a,
I don't know whatever it wasalso fun
(09:16):
it was also fun and I was likeit's gonna be six weeks till we
have sex again.
Let's have sex, had sex, I waslike, oh, you know, maybe you
know get cracked good, like I'mbeing um, which he did
eventually.
It worked.
But anyway, it was fun, we hadfun and and then the 26 in the
morning I was like it's fuckinggo time.
(09:37):
I'm treating this today like afull-time job.
Now in the morning I woke upand, uh, I had a school like
thing for noah's, like preschoolthat she's going to.
So I went, you know, went tohoboken and I was like, instead
of ubering home, I'm gonna walkhome.
And I walked all the way fromhoboken to the heights and I
(10:00):
don't know if you guys know thelike these if you live in the
area.
There's these diabolical stairsthat go from Hoboken to the
Heights and they're like intense.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Famous Steve Fulop ad .
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah, famous.
Yeah, steve Fulop, our mayor,did an ad like running up the
stairs like Rocky style, right,did those steps, walked home.
It was grueling, it was intense.
I was in a dress too and likeflip flops, like what a weirdo.
I was just like so determined.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
You were determined.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Get home, His family, his parents arrive.
I went to.
We went to get a delisandwiches.
I ate a deli sandwich.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Apparently, like you know, deli sandwiches.
What else did we have thatmorning?
There was something else,because I didn't go in till
after I don't remember.
I don't remember.
I don't remember either.
Oh no, no, I picked, I pickedmy parents up from the airport,
came back right, and then youwere walking back and then I
went to work after that yeah andon my way just walking to the
pass station, I believe youtexted me and said by the way,
(11:00):
yeah, I'm having somecontractions some contractions I
was having some contractions,very, very minor.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
And you know, when you're at the end of pregnancy
you're like every twinge is likeis this it?
Is this it?
So I was like not sure you knowwhat I mean.
I was like, okay, just lettingyou know it could happen today.
I have no idea, you know.
Yeah, and he's like, okay, keepme posted.
I walk home, his parents arehome, they get me a deli
sandwich.
Slam that.
I was like maybe this will letyou know, maybe this will help
me go into labor, had some dates.
(11:27):
And then I was like you knowwhat?
I'm going to schedule a massage.
I'm going to schedule a massageBecause, you know, my in-laws
are here.
I'm gonna schedule a lastminute massage and somebody in
my DMS recommended this likespecific massage place that, uh,
they offer, you know, prenatalmassages to induce labor and for
(11:49):
, like, women who are past like38 weeks or 39 weeks.
So I make the massage.
I, you know, make the massageand I select, you know, first,
available practitioner, not evennot thinking twice, like I
don't know, you know.
And and I walked to hoboken.
I was like, okay, we're walking, we're walking again, we're
getting this baby down, you knowthis is after the stairs, after
(12:10):
the stairs.
Yeah eight, I rested second tripto hoboken walking, you know,
walking to hoboken.
And so I walked to hoboken.
I walked to this you knowmassage place and there was like
some scheduling issues andwhatever.
It was fine.
Like I had to wait like 30minutes and then this guy comes
in.
He literally looks like Mr Tand he's like lynn.
(12:32):
Uh, he's like lynn, I'm readyfor you.
And I'm like in my head, I'mthinking my head, I'm like this
is the guy that's gonna give mea prenatal massage.
And normally I like go for women.
Like you know, I usually feelmore comfortable for women, with
women.
But like I was desperate atthis point.
I was like you know what,whatever, like he must know what
he's doing.
He, this is like a place wherethey get pregnant women.
(12:52):
He probably, you know, probablylike he's probably like tough
and he'll get this baby out.
Yeah, and mr t went to town andhe knew so much about pregnancy
.
It was like the weirdest thingyou know.
And he was like really new.
He's like oh, how far along areyou?
And da, da, da and like are youfeeling any contractions or
(13:16):
like any?
You know, is this like he wasvery good, he was very good at
what he he did and gave me areally good massage and I did
like 70.
It was like 75 minutes then.
Then what did we do?
We came home.
Like you picked me up, we camehome right, I picked you up from
the massage.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
We came home.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yes, came home and then we were like okay, you know
his parents are here, um,noah's taken care of.
It's like a good opportunityfor us to go on like a mini date
.
Right, yeah, now I didn't wantto go for like any dinner or the
city.
I was just like let's go backto hoboken and let's go on to
the waterfront and let's go getsnacks at like nuts factory and
(13:55):
just like chill.
And which is what we did.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
We drove to hoboken, we walked around stories already
changed from then till nowbecause I made the plans okay,
you made the plans but.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I said let's go sit on the waterfront you said let's
go to a waterfront and I said,let's go to hoboken waterfront
because we can stop at nutsfactory.
Eighty dollars worth of nutsright, which is what we we did.
And then we sat at thewaterfront and it was like super
romantic and beautiful and kindof was like okay, like this
feels like this is the last datebefore we become parents of
(14:25):
three kids.
Which we were right and thatwas it.
We went home.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
We went home and normal night, like just normal,
went to bed normal, went to bed.
Whatever crossword puzzle yep,that's our new thing, by the way
, we do crossword puzzles beforebed we do, we haven't since we,
we, we had the baby, but yes,uh, it was just normal
everything was normal until andthen we go to sleep and I'm
(14:53):
trying to fall asleep and againI'm.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
You know I have sleep issues, right.
We already determined that somenights are good, and I know
drama, and then other nights arereally hard for me to get to
sleep and it's just, it's like avery up and down battle.
Maybe one day I'll talk moredetail about it, but it's, it's.
It's been a struggle, right.
So I'm struggling to to fallasleep, but I think I do end up
like dozing off and then I getstartled awake and I wet myself
(15:21):
again and I'm like and I don'tfeel like, and I just wake up
and I'm like wet, like, and I'mlike what the fuck?
Like what's happening, you know?
So I go, I'll clean myself up,I change.
And that's when the contractand then the contraction started
I don't think I knew about thatpart yeah, and that's when the
contract and then thecontraction started.
I don't think I knew about thatpart, yeah, and that's when the
contraction started and I youknow the I was trying to you
(15:42):
know I didn't wake tony up and Iwas just like, okay, maybe this
will pass, maybe it's just, youknow, braxton hicks or whatever
, because it felt kind ofbraxton hick key and then.
But it was like a little bitmore intense and that was it.
After like it started at like11 o'clock and then after like
40 minutes, I was like I startedmoaning and I was in pain.
I was like babe, I think thisis it like yeah, I think it's
(16:04):
time.
And so he wakes up and I tellhim call you, know my doctor.
Yeah, but it felt like urgent,like I felt like I was.
It was like if it wasn't likethe like when I was in labor
with noah, where we had timelike we had felt like the
contractions were like lessintense, but I but they were
like regular.
This time the contractions likehit me.
(16:25):
They hit me like right away,super quick, and I was panicking
and tony's like taking hissweet ass time.
Like I go to the bathroom tolike get myself ready and I come
back to the room and he's justlike in the closet, like just
standing there.
I'm like what the fuck are youdoing?
Just pack up.
We got to go to the car likeright now.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
See, I've only had one other experience to base my
speed on, and it was so casual.
I remember the video.
I'm like this seemed prettytame.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
And it wasn't like that.
I was like get your ass to thecar, like we need to go to the
car right now.
You know, and usually I'm verykind with my husband, like very
sweet.
But this time I was like moveyour fucking ass, we're going
into the.
I'm going into the car rightnow.
I don't care if you forgetanything, we're delivering in
New York City.
Whatever you need, whatever youforget, you'll find it.
It's OK.
Okay, let's go.
(17:17):
Yeah, right, I grab a proteinbar because I was like I'm not
fucking around, I need my energy.
We go to the car, we go to thecar and and that drive to new
york city with the potholeswhile you're having contractions
not fun diabolical butthankfully it was like quick,
like we got there I was superquick.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
It took us 20 minutes because this is like it was
yeah, midnight we got therequick.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
And then we get to the you know the same admin and
like I'm, I'm, I'm moaning, I'mscreaming.
I'm like, yeah, I'm ready.
And as soon as I walked inthere, I was like I want the
epidural put me on the listimmediately now, since this is
my third kid, I have experience,I know how labor and delivery
works at this point and I knowthat there is a wait list for
(17:58):
the epidural.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Or there can be.
You have no idea how manypeople are delivering.
You don't know how many peopleare delivering that night.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
So if they have a busy night, you know it takes
time to get down the list of thepeople who need epidurals.
So I wanted to make sure thateverybody in that fucking floor
knew I was my business and I amready and I want the epidural.
And they, they're, they're good, they're like right away.
Everyone like as soon as theytook me back.
Then everybody knew oh, youwant the epidural, you're ready
(18:25):
for I'm like, yes, so if youknow that you want to get the
epidural, as soon as you walkinto the hospital, just say that
you want the epidural and theytake me back and they check how
many centimeters dilated I am.
The nurses were hilarious.
We were chatting and just likemaking jokes and they're like oh
, you know what you're doing,girl, like your experience like
(18:46):
third kid, blah, blah, blah.
Uh, at that point it was likesix cent five centimeters, yeah,
five centimeters dilated, whichis like active labor, and
they're like yep, you're notleaving here without a baby.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I was like no shit, no other crucial point when,
when we called originally tofind out hey, should we go in?
Yeah, you call your ob gyn'soffice, yeah, and then they
direct you to whoever is on call, which that night happened just
happened.
Oh my god to be our doctor whodelivered Mia.
So this is like our personright.
(19:19):
This is the person that we want, and it just happened to be on
the night that she is on call.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
It was the luckiest thing ever.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
And yeah.
So the two nurses checked meout.
They're like, okay, you'reready to go?
I'm joking around with them andsuper sweet.
And they're like, oh, ready togo, I'm joking around with them
and super sweet.
And they're like, oh, you wantthe epidural.
Like oh, like we heard you.
And like, oh, you know, likeone of the nurses came in.
She's like we heard you and wewere like hoping that, like oh,
hopefully it's a full term.
you know, because, like, I'msure they get a lot of like
false alarms so they were likehappy that I was like ready to
(19:51):
go, um, and and yeah, and then,and then they bring me into the
room and everything happened.
So fast, so fast so yeah, drkhan comes in and she's like you
have five hours to deliver thiswell, she was just like I'm she
.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
We were like you were so glad you're on call, and she
was like I'm on call for thenext five hours and I'm like, oh
shit.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
And she's like, oh, we'll be fine I'm like we'll
definitely get this baby becauselike last time we went in with
Noah it was 18 hours of labor,right.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
So like I'm like, oh we're like she's not going to be
here, like that sucks.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
And she's like no, we're going to knock this out.
And I'm like, okay, Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, exactly Tony's like okay, and and then the
contractions are getting likereally intense and I was like I
can't because like I didn'tmentally prepare myself to do
anything, to do like naturallabor, you know what I mean.
Like I just didn't prepare, Ijust wanted the pain meds.
Like I was just like I alreadyresolved myself to getting the
epidural for previouspregnancies.
(20:48):
I was like gonna try to workthrough it, but like this one I
didn't want to.
I also didn't have the energyagain.
I haven't.
You know it's been nine monthssince I've had like a consistent
good night's sleep.
I don't have the energy to pushthrough contractions.
Like give me the drugs yeah so Iwas like when's the epidural
guy coming?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
yeah, that was the.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
That was the next thing, that was the next thing
and then so I get the epidural,which we'll talk about later
yeah, two 12 year olds roll into give us the epidural Doogie.
Howser, I don't care at thispoint, I'm like just give it to
me whatever I get the epidural,great, I'm good now you know.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And then they're like .
Basically they're like okay,just chill for a few hours.
At that point I went out to getsome coffee and some waters and
some snacks or whatever, justto kind of get prepared to
buckle in for the long haulwhich I thought.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I thought I was going to just chill, have the
epidural take a nap, like beable to like sleep a little bit,
watch some Grey's Anatomy, likejust chill out, Right.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
And at that point it was like what time?
And what time was like?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
probably like I got back from going out to gather
stuff must have been around 2,30 or so right somewhere around
2 30 we settle into the room alittle bit so it's like 2, 45, 2
, 50 am yeah and I'm likenodding off, but then I hear
chilling again.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
This is my third baby .
I know what's going on and thishappened with mia, with my
first baby.
I know when the like you canhear the baby's heart rate and
it's like consistent, like andthen real fast, and then you
start hearing it drop.
And then I was like, fuck thebaby's heart rate.
Yes, and I knew right away, andI was like, okay, it might be
nothing, just relax.
(22:31):
Don't like, don't panic, theyknow what they're doing.
And of course, uh, a doctorcame in and and like, I hear the
like hustle and bustle.
They're like page dr khan, pagedr khan.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
And I was like, yeah, we got it, we got a doctor, we
got the peds doctor, we got drkhan we had two nurses.
You know, dr khan comes in andshe's like we're delivering this
baby yeah, no, she just walksin with, like you know, full get
up on.
It was like you're ready to goready.
I was like what the fuck it'slike yeah, we've been here for
oh, and before that they did?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
they broke my water.
They broke my water.
I forgot that they broke mywater.
And she's like you're, you know, eight centimeters dilated or
whatever, nine.
And then, like an hour later,it's like okay, okay, you got to
push.
Oh, my God.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
But they get in, but she rolls in like, all right,
we're doing this.
Basically, yeah, we have to gether out now.
We have to go now.
And she says I'm going to giveyou a test.
Push, Right.
We didn't know at that timewhat the test was for.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
The test push, as it turned out, was a test to see if
she could get any movement atall, because we're talking
station zero, no crowning at all, the baby's not coming through
in the slightest.
And Dr Khan was basicallygiving Lynn a test push to see
if we were going to deliver itnaturally, or if we were going
to the OR.
That was it.
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Those were the two options.
She gave one test push and wedidn't know.
We didn't know at the time thatthose were the stakes, but
that's what we found out laterwas that was what we were up
against in that moment.
And she gave a test push andapparently the baby just like
lurched forward.
And she said one more, and likeyou were like teeth gritting,
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and of course you can't, youdon't know, like you have no
idea I have no idea what's goingon, but I can't feel I could
see like five doctors like alllooking at my vagina, basically
like staring down the barrel ofbaby harry it's so weird, it's
such a weird, it's so weird.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
It's like like tony's like at my head and uh, there's
just like a bunch of doctorsjust staring at my vagina like I
haven't seen my vagina in ayear, okay, and they're all
staring like I, you know, like Ihaven't shaved down, like I
can't like see, so like it'sprobably there's like patches, I
don't know, it's probably amess, whatever, but they're all
staring at it and like first rowconcert tickets and and I see
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some panic in their eyes, like Ido see, but like in my mind
it's intense, it's not, it's not.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I didn't see panic.
I saw urgency.
It was more urgent thanintensity.
Yeah, it was like in my head.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I was like everything's going to be okay,
everything's good.
I know everything's going to beokay.
Like I felt God.
I I felt God.
I know this is cliche, I like Ihate being cliche, but I felt
like God Hashem like there withme.
You know what I mean, becausethe whole, you know the fact
that Dr Khan was there and justthe way the fact, the baby
waited till our you know, tony'sparents were here.
Like everything wasserendipitous in a way.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
This was like the last day, probably ish, maybe
not, but we're in that verynarrow window of she has to come
out now for you to recoverenough to go to oasis.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah, exactly, she did like yeah, she showed up at
the right time and they're alllit up and and she's like you
need to push, you need to getthis baby out, like right now.
Now I can't feel my legsbecause of the epidural and I'm
just pushing for the like, justpushing, and I'm like I
literally like my brain, like Iliterally squeezed everything
and like I don't know what'sgoing on down there again, I
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don't feel my legs and I'm justpushing with all my energy, you
know, and I pushed her out inthree minutes.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Three minutes yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Three minutes.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
From 3.14 AM to 3.17 AM, essentially.
And then she comes flying outand one of the other doctors is
like hey dad, you want to cutthe cord, and the cord was
around her neck.
The cord was.
That's why her blood pressurewas dropping.
Was she got tangled up in theumbilical cord, which is, you
know, a thing that can happen?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
for sure, it's a lot more common than you think but
yes it can end up in somethingtragic, but we were very lucky
we were very lucky and we had agood you know.
And dr khan is just amazing,she's amazing dm me if you want
her info.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I don't know if she's taking any new patients, but
yes she's amazing awesome and uhbut yeah, they were like dad,
do you want to cut the cord?
No, because that means like Igot to go around to the other
side.
No, and cut the cord.
I'm like no, no, thank you.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
You're in the team where tony doesn't look at
what's going on, like I want tokeep my vagina a mystery you
guys are the professionals likeyeah and then she said and then
she was like that because sheknows I watch gray's anatomy and
she's like.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
That was like kind of like on gray's anatomy and I
was laughing she was like, yeah,that that was about as close as
it gets to Grey's Anatomy leveland baby was born she was born,
she just came out and we werejust sitting there like it's,
like what the fuck just happened?
we have been in this hospitalfor less than three hours.
We expected, you know, weexpected to chill for a while,
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set up shop, nest a little bitand then, you know, do the thing
, maybe 10 hours later, 8 hourslater, I don't know, 6 at the
earliest, but less than 3 hoursin the hospital and we have a
baby and it was just like shemade a dramatic entrance.
So dramatic.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
And that was it, and we met her and I was just like
all right.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Then we just hung out for one night.
The other thing that startedhappening was the
anesthesiologist thatadministered.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Doogie Howser.
Well not him at first.
Doogie Howser's bestie.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
There's the attending , and then there was either a
resident or probably a resident,I don't have any idea.
But the guy that administeredthe epidural after the birth
came in and said hey, justwanted to check and see if you
had any headaches going on.
There's a chance, based on howthe epidural was administered,
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that you might have someheadaches.
And not only did he ask, buthis attending asked, and then,
like the nurses kept asking too.
So after a while it became thisthing.
It was like we weren't therefor that long before, like four
people had asked us how theheadaches were, and the whole
time it was all good.
It was all good, like you'rejust like a normal headache, but
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nothing crazy, right.
And then the next day we weredischarged at like one o'clock
or whatever it was, and then wecame home, uh.
And then the next day was whenyeah, I started feeling horrible
.
I had a horrible headache thingsstarted to get bad, yeah, and
the headaches worse.
And the difference was we weretold at one point and we figured
(29:16):
out that if you get an epiduraland this is not to scare
anybody, because I think butit's good for everybody to know.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
It's good for everybody to know, and I knew it
comes with risk.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
That's even the day you would still get it right.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, so if you go too far with the needle for an
epidural, you run the risk ofpiercing the dural.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Again, it sounds scarier than it is because I was
really scared, but afterlearning more about it, it's
pretty common.
It happens to one in a hundredpeople.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
It's not crazy, but it's just something that can
happen.
Right, it can be a weirdplacement.
Everybody's spine is different.
It's not the simplest thing inthe world and you can pierce it
and spinal fluid could leak out.
During the epidural procedure,which I didn't know.
That's what happened, but I sawthe attending who was there
watching the procedure beingdone, and he looked over at the
same time as the guy looked backat him and I knew that
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something happened.
But I couldn't.
I have no idea what's going onbehind her back.
And then so, basically, the herheadaches started to get very,
very bad.
And the difference with aregular headache and this is if
you're standing up, it's worse,if you're laying down, it's
better.
When she started standing upthe second day home, it started
getting very bad.
(30:25):
So they told us ultimately youcan come back in, we've got a
procedure, we can do that.
That'll probably'll probablyfix it.
Um, if it gets worse and thenyou know, about five o'clock
that evening she was like it'sworse, we need to go in.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
And I was an excruciating pain.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Well, I mean you, you , the the 30 minutes between
here and the hospital, thingsescalated for you like
dramatically, like crazy bad.
So we had to go back to thehospital two days later and have
what's called a blood patchdone, which they basically run a
line from your arm of bloodback.
It's basically like getting anepidural again the needle goes
back in your spine and the bloodultimately clots, whatever they
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nicked yeah, and I felt better,but I still have like a
lingering headache, like I havea headache now like it's just,
it'll go away it's a lingeringheadache but, like it also could
be from sleep deprivation, itcould be from dehydration.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
She's sucking the life out of me.
So you know, childbirth isserious.
It's nothing to be afraid of,but things do happen and I'm,
you know, really grateful forthe doctors at mount sinai.
I'm really grateful for theexperience.
You know the experience overallwas was great, you know, it
know the experience overall wasgreat.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
You know, it was a great experience.
The staff was great, thehospital was great, I had a good
original delivery my third baby.
I'm feeling okay Today.
You're feeling okay.
Yesterday I did not feel.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
But again it's like the journey is not linear and
it's just really being patientPostpartum.
I mean, with Noah it took me ayear and a half, two years to
feel like back to myself.
You know, it takes time, likeyou're, you're growing a human,
you're breastfeeding that.
Like I don't know her, she's astranger, she doesn't know me,
we're fucking strangers to eachother, like, yeah, she was in my
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belly, but we don't like Idon't know what she.
You know, we're still trying tofigure out like a rhythm and
it's very early, yeah, and it'sjust.
You know, I'm grateful that Ihave like the support and tony's
been amazing and tony'sfamily's been amazing.
It's really just like aday-by-day process, you know,
but I feel like our family iscomplete yeah, it very much
feels like I'm sure a lot ofpeople want to know.
(32:29):
First of all, they want to knowthe name but, they also want to
know why you know, becausewhenever we you know, why do we
have the third kid?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
we talked about it a little bit.
I mean, online, we've talkedabout it, I know that.
But no, this one, you know thiswas not something we had
strongly considered doing at all.
In fact, you know we prettymuch had determined not with any
real conversation about it.
But we, we were done like wewere good, we had noah, we have
(32:58):
mia, we're, we're sweet we'regood we have a three-bedroom
home you know like a car in thecar, it all makes sense it all
makes sense.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Like we, you know there's stuff that we want to do
and accomplish in in ourcareers and life and whatever
you know.
So, like it was almost so surethat, like I gave away all of
Noah's newborn stuff, but I didhold on to some other stuff,
which is weird.
You know what I mean.
Like I held on to my pregnancypillow.
I wasn't ready to like let goof that, which is interesting.
(33:27):
But you know we were, we were,and you know I'm not I'm not a
spring chicken Like I'm 42 nowand when I had Noah I was 39.
It was like okay, like that'sit, like that was our window and
let's you know, move on, let'stravel, let's do fun stuff with
the family.
And then October 7th happened.
You know, october 7th, and Iwas actually planning on
(33:48):
launching a business October 15,like a new business, a health
coaching business, like I hadeverything done and I, you know,
paid a business coach,everything I had, like you know
the business name.
I had like the course that Iwas going to do this online
course and and do like privateclients, and I had this whole
plan.
And then October 7 happened andit just changed everything.
(34:10):
You know it changed.
You know, for a long time Icouldn't do anything right.
I was just stuck in the traumaof it and the you know, like it
was just.
It changed how I feel about theworld, how I connect to people.
It changed how I just.
You know it was the mosttraumatic thing that could ever
(34:33):
happen and I wasn't even there.
You know what I mean.
But, as a Jewish person andIsraeli, and the hatred and the
anti-Semitism that cameafterwards, and seeing people
that you've had relationshipswith for many years kind of turn
their backs on you, and it wasa very difficult, very
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heartbreaking and difficult timeand I was just like, okay, I'm
just going to do, what I need todo is that run my marketing
agency and take care of Noah andtake care of Mia and and find
you know, moments of joy inbetween.
But I was really like in it,like it's like a dark cloud kind
of just like following youaround everywhere, right, and
(35:14):
then on top of that, you know,so then the insomnia and all
that stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
So it was a really difficult time for for both of
us yeah, but ultimately we endedup having a conversation like
not even so it happened after onthe anniversary of oct 7th,
like a few days after theanniversary.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
So I remember going to a ceremony in New York City
and a synagogue on the.
It was a commitmentcommemoration for October 7.
And I went actually for anonprofit organization that I do
work for.
So I was there for work and Iwas like I wasn't like
necessarily there to like mourn,it was just like I'm there to
(35:54):
do my job and to get content andall that stuff.
And I remember grabbingwhatever videos I needed to and
then putting my phone away andthen I was just like lost in the
in the whole like evening andall the speakers.
And I remember one of thespeakers.
He was a father of an IDFsoldier who died on October 7th
(36:15):
and he he was killed by Hamasand he was protecting innocent
civilians and his father wasjust telling stories about his
son and how, what a wonderfulman he was, what a you know
patriot he was and how he wasexcited to join the army.
Because if it meant, you know,the old lady sitting, you know,
(36:36):
on a bench, that she could feelsafe, then that made him feel
good.
It was something along thoselines and it broke.
I don't know why, but thatbroke me, hearing the father
speak about his son, and I wasthinking in my head what can I
do?
I feel helpless.
Everything is so bad.
What can I do?
(36:58):
I feel helpless.
Everything is so bad.
All this death, you know, allthis trauma that the Jewish
people and Israelis are dealingwith now, and all this hatred,
what can I do?
And it was like a voice in myhead.
It's like more Jewish babies,have another Jewish baby.
That's what you can do.
You're really good at that.
You're really good at havingraising Jewish babies and you
(37:20):
have a husband that supports youand loves you and you can do it
together.
More Jewish babies.
And that was the first time.
It was like okay, okay, maybeI'll think about it.
You know like it was?
Like it was like two voices inmy head, like fighting each
other, like no, you're done.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
You have your abs, most of your abs, talking.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Most of my abs were like no, we don't want this,
you're skinny now.
And then, a few days later,tony was, you know, on his way
back from work and he FaceTimedme.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Sunday and I was doing the dishes.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Yeah, and he was stuck in traffic and we all
started talking about it Wasn'teven an in-person conversation,
I was like what does it looklike?
Speaker 2 (37:57):
It wasn't even 10 minutes long.
It was quick too.
We just went through all thereasons why not and then the
reasons why to do it.
And the reasons to do it wereall like they weren't logical.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
And they were spiritually driven.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
The reasons not to.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
We're all shallow like money and money and space
and travel, and all the reasonswere not like rooted in anything
meaningful necessarily.
And I remember I also eventalked to our rabbi.
You know like I was like okay,let me, let me get some some
spiritual advice here.
Um, and I talked to him andhe's like he's like if the
(38:36):
reasons are, you know, likephysical, I understand mental,
you know like mental health orthings like that.
But if your reasons are moneyand and travel and like
superficial things and that'snot, that's not a good enough
reason you know what I mean.
And and that was it and I waslike okay.
So I told tony I was like let'stry, let's leave it to god.
(38:56):
I'm not, you know, I don't havethe energy to do like any sort
of ivf or fertility treatmentslike, if it happens naturally,
great, let's give it to my 42ndbirthday.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
We'll have fun, we'll have sex, which was literally a
month ago yeah, it'll be great,you know we'll.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
We'll just leave it to god, leave it to chance.
Yeah, if it happens, great.
If it doesn't happen, we say wedid it.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, and so we did.
And that was like we startedtrying, like november, yeah, I
guess.
And I found out I was pregnanton december 31st, on new year's
eve.
Should have waited one day soyou could have enjoyed new
year's eve.
I know I should have not, Iguess, and I found out I was
pregnant on December 31st, on.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
New Year's Eve.
New Year's Eve should havewaited one day, so you could
have enjoyed New Year's Eve Iknow I should have not taken
that test on New Year's Eve yeah, and that was it, and we were
pregnant.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
I'm very, and again, a very great like I want to you
know disclaimer like Iunderstand how hard.
I know so many women whostruggle, men, women and men who
struggle with their fertilityand who have problems getting
pregnant and have to go throughhell to get that baby, that
bundle of joy, and it might betriggering to hear a 41-year-old
(40:05):
woman just getting pregnantafter one or two tries.
I'm very aware of that and I'msuper obviously grateful.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
And empathetic to anybody that you know.
Yeah, absolutely for sure, forsure.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
All that being said, yeah, we're not gonna have a
fourth, because that wouldmentally destroy you and I think
hashem was like you're doneafter this, um giving me doogie
hauser for my epidural guy, butno um he didn't do it, he was
just watching um, we're good hewas free is great, you know we,
our family is complete.
(40:40):
And let's get to the name.
You know we had our baby namingyesterday yeah and so, after I
found out that I, so a fewmonths before I found out, which
I think was like the littleseed, you know what I mean?
Sure, and it was kind of like alittle seed and little seeds
here and there, last August iswhen they found six of our
(41:01):
hostages who were murdered incaptivity, and one of them, her
name was Eden, and I felt like aconnection to her.
And I felt like a connection toher because, you know, early on
in the war, uh, the hostageforum asked me to do a video
about her and I, like, got tolike, read about her, that she
was like she's a lemon cake, noshe was into pilates oh yeah
(41:26):
she's into pilates and she justlikes to dance and she's just
this young, beautiful, like 22year old, who's you know went to
a party to dance and was takenhostage and her life got cut
short.
And I just felt like I don'tknow like a connection to her,
like I knew her, and hearing thedevastating news really like it
(41:48):
was really hard.
It was a really hard week.
That week I remember like justfeeling like I lost a friend,
even though I never met her, Idon't know her.
I just felt like I lost afriend and she was always like
in my, in my mind, you know, um.
And then, after we found outthat we were pregnant, um, tony
(42:10):
and I, that day, the morningthat we were on our way to, uh,
our first like ultrasound toconfirm the you know, I think
it's our 12-week old ultrasound,where it's like to make sure
the baby's okay and healthy and,you know, growing the way it
should.
That morning we found out aboutthe babies, the two, the two the
toddler, who was four years oldfour years old when he was
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taken hostage and his babybrother, who was actually the
same as Noah's age.
So he would be, he would bealmost three years old now, if
he was still alive.
And that was so devastating,cripplingly devastating, and
there were so many feelingsbecause here I am, you know,
pregnant and happy that I'mpregnant, but at the same time,
you know, we hear this news andit was just like so horrifying.
(42:58):
And we heard the news and wewere literally on our way to the
, to the ultrasound, and I lookat Tony, I'm like how do you
feel about Ariel, for our babygirl's name?
Speaker 2 (43:15):
I don't want to cry, okay.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
And that was it, and we said Ariel, and then I was
like middle name Eden, andthat's her name.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
And that's her name, our little miracle baby.
And you know, in the Jewishreligion you want to honor
people who passed, and normallyyou honor people who passed in
your family, but Jews andIsraelis feel like we're all one
family.
We're all a family and losingAriel and Eden and all the
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hostages and the 1,200 peoplethat we lost on October 7th and
all the soldiers that we lostafterwards they all feel like
part of us and if I could havedone this one good deed, this
one mitzvah, and dedicate mybeautiful third baby to these
two people, then it feels good,it feels right and she brings us
(44:14):
a lot of joy and we're verygrateful.
And she's Ari, she's our littleAri.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yep, I don't know what else to say.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Yeah, I think that's all that needs to be said,
that's really all you can sayabout it.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
It was crazy and perfect all at the same time.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Yeah, and what's next for us?
We don't know, dvd.
Maybe we'll continue recording.
We'll see it's kind of justlike a fun thing that we do to
talk to you guys and talk toeach other and yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
So stay tuned.
Thank you for listening, thankyou.
Hey, welcome to the Lynn and Tony Know podcast.
I'm your host, Lynn.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And I'm Tony.
We are both wellness coachesand married with kids.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Join us as we talk about all things health,
wellness, relationships, lifehacks, parenting and everything
in between, unfiltered.
Thanks for listening and let'sget into it.
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Welcome back.
I don't know.
It's kind of weird to saywelcome back.
We've been gone for about aminute, so we kind of just
disappeared sort of.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Our last episode was about our four-year wedding
anniversary, which is end ofoctober really, yeah, yeah, yeah
, you look this up I justremember it being our last
episode, and then just lifehappened, um, I stopped sleeping
like yeah I stopped sleepingand I was like really taking a
(00:50):
lot of, I don't want to like gettoo into it, but um, that's not
what this one's about that'snot what we're not talking about
.
Insomnia now, but I'm better, um.
And then a couple of monthslater, surprise, we found out
that we were expecting babynumber three, who's sleeping
(01:11):
right now in my arms.
She exists and you knowpregnancy and everything.
But we wanted to come back andshare the birth story figure.
This is the best kind of outletto talk about everything that
went down.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, I mean, even if nobody heard this, this is
something that I would want on apermanent record because, quite
frankly, it was insane yeah forme to witness.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
It was nuts the whole thing and also like, as time
goes on, you start forgettingdetails.
So like, yeah, like you know,we're four days postpartum, so
we wanted to kind of sit andrecord everything.
So we have it you can also.
You know, maybe're four dayspostpartum, so we wanted to kind
of sit and record everything.
So we have it you can also, youknow, maybe get some tips and
tricks and whatever.
Uh, from our experience.
And yeah, where do you want tostart?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
well, we could.
We could start with the weekbefore you.
We had a false alarm yeah, nota false.
Well yeah like a.
Yeah had a false alarm.
Yes, not a false.
Well, yeah like a.
Yeah like a false alarm.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Essentially, so at 38 weeks.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
I, it's embarrassing.
I, oh, she's gonna, she's gonna.
We're gonna have to take somepauses.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
That's okay.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So at 38 weeks.
All right, we have a third hosttoday, all good so at 38 weeks
I um like woke up in the morninglike early in the morning.
I felt really wet and I didn'tunderstand what was going on.
(02:40):
And then it was happening likethroughout the day and I was
like, okay, either either mywater broke or I just you're
peed myself yeah and it's weirdbecause you normally feel like
if you're peeing yourself, likeyou feel it right, but like I
was just like wet, you know, andso I I emailed my doctor and I
(03:03):
was like you know, this iswhat's happening and she's like
she should come in and madeimmediately.
So it was like wednesday night,tony comes home and I'm like I
have to go to the hospitalbecause I think maybe my water
broke I'm not sure, you know andso I went in and of course, it
turns out that it was.
(03:24):
In fact, I urinated myself, infact, and it was definitely very
humbling.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Can't take that chance.
Yeah, you can't.
You can't take chances, it'sjust like it was.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
It's a schlep Like it's Mount Sinai in in, you know
, new York city with the drive,and we had Noah.
We didn't have you in New YorkCity.
We had to drive and we had Noah.
We didn't have a babysitter oranything like that.
It was a little stressful.
Then there was the thought ofoh, am I going to have to stay?
I don't have anything, I'm notready.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Well, back it up.
That wasn't a thought that wasput forth by the intake person.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
We have bad luck with intake people like, if you
listen to the birth, noah'sbirth story, we just have bad
luck with the admin not even badluck.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
It's just like kind of incompetent, incompetent
they're really sweet but likeincompetent.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
So I, I check in and she's like, uh, she's asking me
what the problem is.
I was like, oh, my doctor toldme to come.
Like I, you know, it might bemy water broke or I peed myself,
I'm not sure.
And she's like, oh well, you're38 weeks, you might not be
leaving this hospital.
I'm like panicking.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
She's panicking and I'm downstairs because I have
Noah and they won't let you upto that floor with a kid.
So I'm stuck downstairs and shetexts me the.
The secretary says I might haveto stay and I'm like why is the
secretary saying that?
So, of course.
Then it's like, okay, great, uh, that's, if that's a
(04:57):
possibility, I gotta.
I gotta take noah home and Igotta start making preparations,
because nobody's here like it'sjust me and noah.
And I gotta start making movesto get noah covered.
If I, if this is, if she'sgonna have to stay, so I go home
yeah, I was like go home putnoah down worst case, I'll uber
home and we'll figure it outthat's best case actually
Speaker 1 (05:19):
worst case is you get stuck there yeah, and then,
yeah, and that's what willhappen.
They're like everything's fine,you can go home, um, but you're
, you know, three centimetersand and that was it.
I went home and and then it waslike okay, like let's get this.
But then, you know, I was likeall right, like it's time to get
things moving.
I was at you know, a coupledays, like a day or two later I
(05:40):
was like ready to that you knowwhat.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Like that, that whole dry run was like kind of made
it real, like we were definitelyin any day now territory where
before it was like you know soon, it's definitely soon, we know
that.
But then you know, going to thehospital, driving the route
that we're going to drive, andthen the possibility, even if
the person doesn't have amedical degree, that she might
have to stay, made it like, oh,we're at, we're at that point,
(06:07):
it's time to be very ready yeah,it's time to be ready to go,
yeah, and and then it's likeit's kind of a mind fuck is, if
you're at the end of pregnancyand you're like ready to go,
you're just like let this be itbecause I can't do this anymore.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
But at the same time, you know, we weren't ready.
Like we we were waiting forTony's parents to come and so
that they can help out with Noah, like we have other kids that
we need to consider.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It's not like we can just like All of our backup
plans were gone Right.
Pretty much for that weekend,so.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Tony was like telling literally talking to the baby
in my stomach please wait forthe 26th of August.
I'm like, just come wheneveryou want to come.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
But anyway.
So the 25th rolls around Now.
Oh yes, we're talking about you.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yes, my, love.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
The 25th rolls around and I'm like, okay, tomorrow's
the 26th.
Now I also have concert ticketsto go see Oasis.
Now we bought these tickets,everybody knows.
Now I bought these tickets inDecember when, when they came
out and you know, a huge Oasisfan like I'm talking like fan
club, like super geeky, likeposters of Noel Gallagher I was
(07:19):
a Noel fan, like in love withhim, you know do you have to
pick one?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
as a young fan of oasis, are you supposed to like
you team?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
like, a like, a line with one but and no like.
Although liam is the like frontfront singer, noel writes all
the songs okay, so they bothhave their you know but?
And I was like no is moretalented and everybody's like in
love with liam, so if I had achance, I would have a chance
with no.
That was like my logic as a asa 12 year old like you were real
(07:47):
practical about your fan.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I was like I was practical.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Okay, I was like I'm more of a no fan, like I'm team
no and um, anyway, huge fan,like once in a lifetime concert
they're coming to met life,which is 20 minutes away from
here, have to go, bought thetickets, spend an arm and a leg,
fuck it like we're going.
This is my bucket list concert.
And so we bought the ticketsand then literally a month later
(08:10):
, found out, um, I'm pregnantand I'm literally due three days
after this concert.
So the clock is fucking ticking.
It's august 25.
Tony's parents are arrivingaugust 26.
Let it's operation get thisbaby out now.
Throughout my whole pregnancy,at a very active pregnancy, I
walked a lot, I, I, I strengthtrained, I ate like nutritious,
(08:34):
nutritiously.
So I think being active reallyhelps the process you know also
third baby too, right.
So it's, uh august 25th and Iwas like, okay, we, I'm doing
everything that I possibly canto get this baby out.
Your parents arrived august26th, so august 25th, uh, I did
(08:55):
the like I was eating dates dideverything I walked well, so
like that's I did.
I did most of everything on the26th, but on the 25th I was
like we need to have sex, youknow, because sex helps did that
and sex helps like induce labor, like the sperm is, is like a,
I don't know whatever it wasalso fun
(09:16):
it was also fun and I was likeit's gonna be six weeks till we
have sex again.
Let's have sex, had sex, I waslike, oh, you know, maybe you
know get cracked good, like I'mbeing um, which he did
eventually.
It worked.
But anyway, it was fun, we hadfun and and then the 26 in the
morning I was like it's fuckinggo time.
(09:37):
I'm treating this today like afull-time job.
Now in the morning I woke upand, uh, I had a school like
thing for noah's, like preschoolthat she's going to.
So I went, you know, went tohoboken and I was like, instead
of ubering home, I'm gonna walkhome.
And I walked all the way fromhoboken to the heights and I
(10:00):
don't know if you guys know thelike these if you live in the
area.
There's these diabolical stairsthat go from Hoboken to the
Heights and they're like intense.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Famous Steve Fulop ad .
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah, famous.
Yeah, steve Fulop, our mayor,did an ad like running up the
stairs like Rocky style, right,did those steps, walked home.
It was grueling, it was intense.
I was in a dress too and likeflip flops, like what a weirdo.
I was just like so determined.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
You were determined.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Get home, His family, his parents arrive.
I went to.
We went to get a delisandwiches.
I ate a deli sandwich.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Apparently, like you know, deli sandwiches.
What else did we have thatmorning?
There was something else,because I didn't go in till
after I don't remember.
I don't remember.
I don't remember either.
Oh no, no, I picked, I pickedmy parents up from the airport,
came back right, and then youwere walking back and then I
went to work after that yeah andon my way just walking to the
pass station, I believe youtexted me and said by the way,
(11:00):
yeah, I'm having somecontractions some contractions I
was having some contractions,very, very minor.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
And you know, when you're at the end of pregnancy
you're like every twinge is likeis this it?
Is this it?
So I was like not sure you knowwhat I mean.
I was like, okay, just lettingyou know it could happen today.
I have no idea, you know.
Yeah, and he's like, okay, keepme posted.
I walk home, his parents arehome, they get me a deli
sandwich.
Slam that.
I was like maybe this will letyou know, maybe this will help
me go into labor, had some dates.
(11:27):
And then I was like you knowwhat?
I'm going to schedule a massage.
I'm going to schedule a massageBecause, you know, my in-laws
are here.
I'm gonna schedule a lastminute massage and somebody in
my DMS recommended this likespecific massage place that, uh,
they offer, you know, prenatalmassages to induce labor and for
(11:49):
, like, women who are past like38 weeks or 39 weeks.
So I make the massage.
I, you know, make the massageand I select, you know, first,
available practitioner, not evennot thinking twice, like I
don't know, you know.
And and I walked to hoboken.
I was like, okay, we're walking, we're walking again, we're
getting this baby down, you knowthis is after the stairs, after
(12:10):
the stairs.
Yeah eight, I rested second tripto hoboken walking, you know,
walking to hoboken.
And so I walked to hoboken.
I walked to this you knowmassage place and there was like
some scheduling issues andwhatever.
It was fine.
Like I had to wait like 30minutes and then this guy comes
in.
He literally looks like Mr Tand he's like lynn.
(12:32):
Uh, he's like lynn, I'm readyfor you.
And I'm like in my head, I'mthinking my head, I'm like this
is the guy that's gonna give mea prenatal massage.
And normally I like go for women.
Like you know, I usually feelmore comfortable for women, with
women.
But like I was desperate atthis point.
I was like you know what,whatever, like he must know what
he's doing.
He, this is like a place wherethey get pregnant women.
(12:52):
He probably, you know, probablylike he's probably like tough
and he'll get this baby out.
Yeah, and mr t went to town andhe knew so much about pregnancy
.
It was like the weirdest thingyou know.
And he was like really new.
He's like oh, how far along areyou?
And da, da, da and like are youfeeling any contractions or
(13:16):
like any?
You know, is this like he wasvery good, he was very good at
what he he did and gave me areally good massage and I did
like 70.
It was like 75 minutes then.
Then what did we do?
We came home.
Like you picked me up, we camehome right, I picked you up from
the massage.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
We came home.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yes, came home and then we were like okay, you know
his parents are here, um,noah's taken care of.
It's like a good opportunityfor us to go on like a mini date
.
Right, yeah, now I didn't wantto go for like any dinner or the
city.
I was just like let's go backto hoboken and let's go on to
the waterfront and let's go getsnacks at like nuts factory and
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just like chill.
And which is what we did.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
We drove to hoboken, we walked around stories already
changed from then till nowbecause I made the plans okay,
you made the plans but.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I said let's go sit on the waterfront you said let's
go to a waterfront and I said,let's go to hoboken waterfront
because we can stop at nutsfactory.
Eighty dollars worth of nutsright, which is what we we did.
And then we sat at thewaterfront and it was like super
romantic and beautiful and kindof was like okay, like this
feels like this is the last datebefore we become parents of
(14:25):
three kids.
Which we were right and thatwas it.
We went home.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
We went home and normal night, like just normal,
went to bed normal, went to bed.
Whatever crossword puzzle yep,that's our new thing, by the way
, we do crossword puzzles beforebed we do, we haven't since we,
we, we had the baby, but yes,uh, it was just normal
everything was normal until andthen we go to sleep and I'm
(14:53):
trying to fall asleep and againI'm.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
You know I have sleep issues, right.
We already determined that somenights are good, and I know
drama, and then other nights arereally hard for me to get to
sleep and it's just, it's like avery up and down battle.
Maybe one day I'll talk moredetail about it, but it's, it's.
It's been a struggle, right.
So I'm struggling to to fallasleep, but I think I do end up
like dozing off and then I getstartled awake and I wet myself
(15:21):
again and I'm like and I don'tfeel like, and I just wake up
and I'm like wet, like, and I'mlike what the fuck?
Like what's happening, you know?
So I go, I'll clean myself up,I change.
And that's when the contractand then the contraction started
I don't think I knew about thatpart yeah, and that's when the
contract and then thecontraction started.
I don't think I knew about thatpart, yeah, and that's when the
contraction started and I youknow the I was trying to you
(15:42):
know I didn't wake tony up and Iwas just like, okay, maybe this
will pass, maybe it's just, youknow, braxton hicks or whatever
, because it felt kind ofbraxton hick key and then.
But it was like a little bitmore intense and that was it.
After like it started at like11 o'clock and then after like
40 minutes, I was like I startedmoaning and I was in pain.
I was like babe, I think thisis it like yeah, I think it's
(16:04):
time.
And so he wakes up and I tellhim call you, know my doctor.
Yeah, but it felt like urgent,like I felt like I was.
It was like if it wasn't likethe like when I was in labor
with noah, where we had timelike we had felt like the
contractions were like lessintense, but I but they were
like regular.
This time the contractions likehit me.
(16:25):
They hit me like right away,super quick, and I was panicking
and tony's like taking hissweet ass time.
Like I go to the bathroom tolike get myself ready and I come
back to the room and he's justlike in the closet, like just
standing there.
I'm like what the fuck are youdoing?
Just pack up.
We got to go to the car likeright now.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
See, I've only had one other experience to base my
speed on, and it was so casual.
I remember the video.
I'm like this seemed prettytame.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
And it wasn't like that.
I was like get your ass to thecar, like we need to go to the
car right now.
You know, and usually I'm verykind with my husband, like very
sweet.
But this time I was like moveyour fucking ass, we're going
into the.
I'm going into the car rightnow.
I don't care if you forgetanything, we're delivering in
New York City.
Whatever you need, whatever youforget, you'll find it.
It's OK.
Okay, let's go.
(17:17):
Yeah, right, I grab a proteinbar because I was like I'm not
fucking around, I need my energy.
We go to the car, we go to thecar and and that drive to new
york city with the potholeswhile you're having contractions
not fun diabolical butthankfully it was like quick,
like we got there I was superquick.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
It took us 20 minutes because this is like it was
yeah, midnight we got therequick.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
And then we get to the you know the same admin and
like I'm, I'm, I'm moaning, I'mscreaming.
I'm like, yeah, I'm ready.
And as soon as I walked inthere, I was like I want the
epidural put me on the listimmediately now, since this is
my third kid, I have experience,I know how labor and delivery
works at this point and I knowthat there is a wait list for
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the epidural.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Or there can be.
You have no idea how manypeople are delivering.
You don't know how many peopleare delivering that night.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
So if they have a busy night, you know it takes
time to get down the list of thepeople who need epidurals.
So I wanted to make sure thateverybody in that fucking floor
knew I was my business and I amready and I want the epidural.
And they, they're, they're good, they're like right away.
Everyone like as soon as theytook me back.
Then everybody knew oh, youwant the epidural, you're ready
(18:25):
for I'm like, yes, so if youknow that you want to get the
epidural, as soon as you walkinto the hospital, just say that
you want the epidural and theytake me back and they check how
many centimeters dilated I am.
The nurses were hilarious.
We were chatting and just likemaking jokes and they're like oh
, you know what you're doing,girl, like your experience like
(18:46):
third kid, blah, blah, blah.
Uh, at that point it was likesix cent five centimeters, yeah,
five centimeters dilated, whichis like active labor, and
they're like yep, you're notleaving here without a baby.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I was like no shit, no other crucial point when,
when we called originally tofind out hey, should we go in?
Yeah, you call your ob gyn'soffice, yeah, and then they
direct you to whoever is on call, which that night happened just
happened.
Oh my god to be our doctor whodelivered Mia.
So this is like our personright.
(19:19):
This is the person that we want, and it just happened to be on
the night that she is on call.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
It was the luckiest thing ever.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
And yeah.
So the two nurses checked meout.
They're like, okay, you'reready to go?
I'm joking around with them andsuper sweet.
And they're like, oh, ready togo, I'm joking around with them
and super sweet.
And they're like, oh, you wantthe epidural.
Like oh, like we heard you.
And like, oh, you know, likeone of the nurses came in.
She's like we heard you and wewere like hoping that, like oh,
hopefully it's a full term.
you know, because, like, I'msure they get a lot of like
false alarms so they were likehappy that I was like ready to
(19:51):
go, um, and and yeah, and then,and then they bring me into the
room and everything happened.
So fast, so fast so yeah, drkhan comes in and she's like you
have five hours to deliver thiswell, she was just like I'm she
.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
We were like you were so glad you're on call, and she
was like I'm on call for thenext five hours and I'm like, oh
shit.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
And she's like, oh, we'll be fine I'm like we'll
definitely get this baby becauselike last time we went in with
Noah it was 18 hours of labor,right.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
So like I'm like, oh we're like she's not going to be
here, like that sucks.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
And she's like no, we're going to knock this out.
And I'm like, okay, Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, exactly Tony's like okay, and and then the
contractions are getting likereally intense and I was like I
can't because like I didn'tmentally prepare myself to do
anything, to do like naturallabor, you know what I mean.
Like I just didn't prepare, Ijust wanted the pain meds.
Like I was just like I alreadyresolved myself to getting the
epidural for previouspregnancies.
(20:48):
I was like gonna try to workthrough it, but like this one I
didn't want to.
I also didn't have the energyagain.
I haven't.
You know it's been nine monthssince I've had like a consistent
good night's sleep.
I don't have the energy to pushthrough contractions.
Like give me the drugs yeah so Iwas like when's the epidural
guy coming?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
yeah, that was the.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
That was the next thing, that was the next thing
and then so I get the epidural,which we'll talk about later
yeah, two 12 year olds roll into give us the epidural Doogie.
Howser, I don't care at thispoint, I'm like just give it to
me whatever I get the epidural,great, I'm good now you know.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And then they're like .
Basically they're like okay,just chill for a few hours.
At that point I went out to getsome coffee and some waters and
some snacks or whatever, justto kind of get prepared to
buckle in for the long haulwhich I thought.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I thought I was going to just chill, have the
epidural take a nap, like beable to like sleep a little bit,
watch some Grey's Anatomy, likejust chill out, Right.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
And at that point it was like what time?
And what time was like?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
probably like I got back from going out to gather
stuff must have been around 2,30 or so right somewhere around
2 30 we settle into the room alittle bit so it's like 2, 45, 2
, 50 am yeah and I'm likenodding off, but then I hear
chilling again.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
This is my third baby .
I know what's going on and thishappened with mia, with my
first baby.
I know when the like you canhear the baby's heart rate and
it's like consistent, like andthen real fast, and then you
start hearing it drop.
And then I was like, fuck thebaby's heart rate.
Yes, and I knew right away, andI was like, okay, it might be
nothing, just relax.
(22:31):
Don't like, don't panic, theyknow what they're doing.
And of course, uh, a doctorcame in and and like, I hear the
like hustle and bustle.
They're like page dr khan, pagedr khan.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
And I was like, yeah, we got it, we got a doctor, we
got the peds doctor, we got drkhan we had two nurses.
You know, dr khan comes in andshe's like we're delivering this
baby yeah, no, she just walksin with, like you know, full get
up on.
It was like you're ready to goready.
I was like what the fuck it'slike yeah, we've been here for
oh, and before that they did?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
they broke my water.
They broke my water.
I forgot that they broke mywater.
And she's like you're, you know, eight centimeters dilated or
whatever, nine.
And then, like an hour later,it's like okay, okay, you got to
push.
Oh, my God.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
But they get in, but she rolls in like, all right,
we're doing this.
Basically, yeah, we have to gether out now.
We have to go now.
And she says I'm going to giveyou a test.
Push, Right.
We didn't know at that timewhat the test was for.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
The test push, as it turned out, was a test to see if
she could get any movement atall, because we're talking
station zero, no crowning at all, the baby's not coming through
in the slightest.
And Dr Khan was basicallygiving Lynn a test push to see
if we were going to deliver itnaturally, or if we were going
to the OR.
That was it.
(23:52):
Those were the two options.
She gave one test push and wedidn't know.
We didn't know at the time thatthose were the stakes, but
that's what we found out laterwas that was what we were up
against in that moment.
And she gave a test push andapparently the baby just like
lurched forward.
And she said one more, and likeyou were like teeth gritting,
(24:14):
and of course you can't, youdon't know, like you have no
idea I have no idea what's goingon, but I can't feel I could
see like five doctors like alllooking at my vagina, basically
like staring down the barrel ofbaby harry it's so weird, it's
such a weird, it's so weird.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
It's like like tony's like at my head and uh, there's
just like a bunch of doctorsjust staring at my vagina like I
haven't seen my vagina in ayear, okay, and they're all
staring like I, you know, like Ihaven't shaved down, like I
can't like see, so like it'sprobably there's like patches, I
don't know, it's probably amess, whatever, but they're all
staring at it and like first rowconcert tickets and and I see
(24:55):
some panic in their eyes, like Ido see, but like in my mind
it's intense, it's not, it's not.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I didn't see panic.
I saw urgency.
It was more urgent thanintensity.
Yeah, it was like in my head.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I was like everything's going to be okay,
everything's good.
I know everything's going to beokay.
Like I felt God.
I I felt God.
I know this is cliche, I like Ihate being cliche, but I felt
like God Hashem like there withme.
You know what I mean, becausethe whole, you know the fact
that Dr Khan was there and justthe way the fact, the baby
waited till our you know, tony'sparents were here.
Like everything wasserendipitous in a way.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
This was like the last day, probably ish, maybe
not, but we're in that verynarrow window of she has to come
out now for you to recoverenough to go to oasis.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah, exactly, she did like yeah, she showed up at
the right time and they're alllit up and and she's like you
need to push, you need to getthis baby out, like right now.
Now I can't feel my legsbecause of the epidural and I'm
just pushing for the like, justpushing, and I'm like I
literally like my brain, like Iliterally squeezed everything
and like I don't know what'sgoing on down there again, I
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don't feel my legs and I'm justpushing with all my energy, you
know, and I pushed her out inthree minutes.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Three minutes yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Three minutes.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
From 3.14 AM to 3.17 AM, essentially.
And then she comes flying outand one of the other doctors is
like hey dad, you want to cutthe cord, and the cord was
around her neck.
The cord was.
That's why her blood pressurewas dropping.
Was she got tangled up in theumbilical cord, which is, you
know, a thing that can happen?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
for sure, it's a lot more common than you think but
yes it can end up in somethingtragic, but we were very lucky
we were very lucky and we had agood you know.
And dr khan is just amazing,she's amazing dm me if you want
her info.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I don't know if she's taking any new patients, but
yes she's amazing awesome and uhbut yeah, they were like dad,
do you want to cut the cord?
No, because that means like Igot to go around to the other
side.
No, and cut the cord.
I'm like no, no, thank you.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
You're in the team where tony doesn't look at
what's going on, like I want tokeep my vagina a mystery you
guys are the professionals likeyeah and then she said and then
she was like that because sheknows I watch gray's anatomy and
she's like.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
That was like kind of like on gray's anatomy and I
was laughing she was like, yeah,that that was about as close as
it gets to Grey's Anatomy leveland baby was born she was born,
she just came out and we werejust sitting there like it's,
like what the fuck just happened?
we have been in this hospitalfor less than three hours.
We expected, you know, weexpected to chill for a while,
(27:32):
set up shop, nest a little bitand then, you know, do the thing
, maybe 10 hours later, 8 hourslater, I don't know, 6 at the
earliest, but less than 3 hoursin the hospital and we have a
baby and it was just like shemade a dramatic entrance.
So dramatic.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
And that was it, and we met her and I was just like
all right.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Then we just hung out for one night.
The other thing that startedhappening was the
anesthesiologist thatadministered.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Doogie Howser.
Well not him at first.
Doogie Howser's bestie.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
There's the attending , and then there was either a
resident or probably a resident,I don't have any idea.
But the guy that administeredthe epidural after the birth
came in and said hey, justwanted to check and see if you
had any headaches going on.
There's a chance, based on howthe epidural was administered,
(28:32):
that you might have someheadaches.
And not only did he ask, buthis attending asked, and then,
like the nurses kept asking too.
So after a while it became thisthing.
It was like we weren't therefor that long before, like four
people had asked us how theheadaches were, and the whole
time it was all good.
It was all good, like you'rejust like a normal headache, but
(28:54):
nothing crazy, right.
And then the next day we weredischarged at like one o'clock
or whatever it was, and then wecame home, uh.
And then the next day was whenyeah, I started feeling horrible
.
I had a horrible headache thingsstarted to get bad, yeah, and
the headaches worse.
And the difference was we weretold at one point and we figured
(29:16):
out that if you get an epiduraland this is not to scare
anybody, because I think butit's good for everybody to know.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
It's good for everybody to know, and I knew it
comes with risk.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
That's even the day you would still get it right.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, so if you go too far with the needle for an
epidural, you run the risk ofpiercing the dural.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Again, it sounds scarier than it is because I was
really scared, but afterlearning more about it, it's
pretty common.
It happens to one in a hundredpeople.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
It's not crazy, but it's just something that can
happen.
Right, it can be a weirdplacement.
Everybody's spine is different.
It's not the simplest thing inthe world and you can pierce it
and spinal fluid could leak out.
During the epidural procedure,which I didn't know.
That's what happened, but I sawthe attending who was there
watching the procedure beingdone, and he looked over at the
same time as the guy looked backat him and I knew that
(30:05):
something happened.
But I couldn't.
I have no idea what's going onbehind her back.
And then so, basically, the herheadaches started to get very,
very bad.
And the difference with aregular headache and this is if
you're standing up, it's worse,if you're laying down, it's
better.
When she started standing upthe second day home, it started
getting very bad.
(30:25):
So they told us ultimately youcan come back in, we've got a
procedure, we can do that.
That'll probably'll probablyfix it.
Um, if it gets worse and thenyou know, about five o'clock
that evening she was like it'sworse, we need to go in.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
And I was an excruciating pain.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Well, I mean you, you , the the 30 minutes between
here and the hospital, thingsescalated for you like
dramatically, like crazy bad.
So we had to go back to thehospital two days later and have
what's called a blood patchdone, which they basically run a
line from your arm of bloodback.
It's basically like getting anepidural again the needle goes
back in your spine and the bloodultimately clots, whatever they
(31:04):
nicked yeah, and I felt better,but I still have like a
lingering headache, like I havea headache now like it's just,
it'll go away it's a lingeringheadache but, like it also could
be from sleep deprivation, itcould be from dehydration.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
She's sucking the life out of me.
So you know, childbirth isserious.
It's nothing to be afraid of,but things do happen and I'm,
you know, really grateful forthe doctors at mount sinai.
I'm really grateful for theexperience.
You know the experience overallwas was great, you know, it
know the experience overall wasgreat.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
You know, it was a great experience.
The staff was great, thehospital was great, I had a good
original delivery my third baby.
I'm feeling okay Today.
You're feeling okay.
Yesterday I did not feel.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
But again it's like the journey is not linear and
it's just really being patientPostpartum.
I mean, with Noah it took me ayear and a half, two years to
feel like back to myself.
You know, it takes time, likeyou're, you're growing a human,
you're breastfeeding that.
Like I don't know her, she's astranger, she doesn't know me,
we're fucking strangers to eachother, like, yeah, she was in my
(32:08):
belly, but we don't like Idon't know what she.
You know, we're still trying tofigure out like a rhythm and
it's very early, yeah, and it'sjust.
You know, I'm grateful that Ihave like the support and tony's
been amazing and tony'sfamily's been amazing.
It's really just like aday-by-day process, you know,
but I feel like our family iscomplete yeah, it very much
feels like I'm sure a lot ofpeople want to know.
(32:29):
First of all, they want to knowthe name but, they also want to
know why you know, becausewhenever we you know, why do we
have the third kid?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
we talked about it a little bit.
I mean, online, we've talkedabout it, I know that.
But no, this one, you know thiswas not something we had
strongly considered doing at all.
In fact, you know we prettymuch had determined not with any
real conversation about it.
But we, we were done like wewere good, we had noah, we have
(32:58):
mia, we're, we're sweet we'regood we have a three-bedroom
home you know like a car in thecar, it all makes sense it all
makes sense.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Like we, you know there's stuff that we want to do
and accomplish in in ourcareers and life and whatever
you know.
So, like it was almost so surethat, like I gave away all of
Noah's newborn stuff, but I didhold on to some other stuff,
which is weird.
You know what I mean.
Like I held on to my pregnancypillow.
I wasn't ready to like let goof that, which is interesting.
(33:27):
But you know we were, we were,and you know I'm not I'm not a
spring chicken Like I'm 42 nowand when I had Noah I was 39.
It was like okay, like that'sit, like that was our window and
let's you know, move on, let'stravel, let's do fun stuff with
the family.
And then October 7th happened.
You know, october 7th, and Iwas actually planning on
(33:48):
launching a business October 15,like a new business, a health
coaching business, like I hadeverything done and I, you know,
paid a business coach,everything I had, like you know
the business name.
I had like the course that Iwas going to do this online
course and and do like privateclients, and I had this whole
plan.
And then October 7 happened andit just changed everything.
(34:10):
You know it changed.
You know, for a long time Icouldn't do anything right.
I was just stuck in the traumaof it and the you know, like it
was just.
It changed how I feel about theworld, how I connect to people.
It changed how I just.
You know it was the mosttraumatic thing that could ever
(34:33):
happen and I wasn't even there.
You know what I mean.
But, as a Jewish person andIsraeli, and the hatred and the
anti-Semitism that cameafterwards, and seeing people
that you've had relationshipswith for many years kind of turn
their backs on you, and it wasa very difficult, very
(34:53):
heartbreaking and difficult timeand I was just like, okay, I'm
just going to do, what I need todo is that run my marketing
agency and take care of Noah andtake care of Mia and and find
you know, moments of joy inbetween.
But I was really like in it,like it's like a dark cloud kind
of just like following youaround everywhere, right, and
(35:14):
then on top of that, you know,so then the insomnia and all
that stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
So it was a really difficult time for for both of
us yeah, but ultimately we endedup having a conversation like
not even so it happened after onthe anniversary of oct 7th,
like a few days after theanniversary.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
So I remember going to a ceremony in New York City
and a synagogue on the.
It was a commitmentcommemoration for October 7.
And I went actually for anonprofit organization that I do
work for.
So I was there for work and Iwas like I wasn't like
necessarily there to like mourn,it was just like I'm there to
(35:54):
do my job and to get content andall that stuff.
And I remember grabbingwhatever videos I needed to and
then putting my phone away andthen I was just like lost in the
in the whole like evening andall the speakers.
And I remember one of thespeakers.
He was a father of an IDFsoldier who died on October 7th
(36:15):
and he he was killed by Hamasand he was protecting innocent
civilians and his father wasjust telling stories about his
son and how, what a wonderfulman he was, what a you know
patriot he was and how he wasexcited to join the army.
Because if it meant, you know,the old lady sitting, you know,
(36:36):
on a bench, that she could feelsafe, then that made him feel
good.
It was something along thoselines and it broke.
I don't know why, but thatbroke me, hearing the father
speak about his son, and I wasthinking in my head what can I
do?
I feel helpless.
Everything is so bad.
What can I do?
(36:58):
I feel helpless.
Everything is so bad.
All this death, you know, allthis trauma that the Jewish
people and Israelis are dealingwith now, and all this hatred,
what can I do?
And it was like a voice in myhead.
It's like more Jewish babies,have another Jewish baby.
That's what you can do.
You're really good at that.
You're really good at havingraising Jewish babies and you
(37:20):
have a husband that supports youand loves you and you can do it
together.
More Jewish babies.
And that was the first time.
It was like okay, okay, maybeI'll think about it.
You know like it was?
Like it was like two voices inmy head, like fighting each
other, like no, you're done.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
You have your abs, most of your abs, talking.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Most of my abs were like no, we don't want this,
you're skinny now.
And then, a few days later,tony was, you know, on his way
back from work and he FaceTimedme.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Sunday and I was doing the dishes.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Yeah, and he was stuck in traffic and we all
started talking about it Wasn'teven an in-person conversation,
I was like what does it looklike?
Speaker 2 (37:57):
It wasn't even 10 minutes long.
It was quick too.
We just went through all thereasons why not and then the
reasons why to do it.
And the reasons to do it wereall like they weren't logical.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
And they were spiritually driven.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
The reasons not to.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
We're all shallow like money and money and space
and travel, and all the reasonswere not like rooted in anything
meaningful necessarily.
And I remember I also eventalked to our rabbi.
You know like I was like okay,let me, let me get some some
spiritual advice here.
Um, and I talked to him andhe's like he's like if the
(38:36):
reasons are, you know, likephysical, I understand mental,
you know like mental health orthings like that.
But if your reasons are moneyand and travel and like
superficial things and that'snot, that's not a good enough
reason you know what I mean.
And and that was it and I waslike okay.
So I told tony I was like let'stry, let's leave it to god.
(38:56):
I'm not, you know, I don't havethe energy to do like any sort
of ivf or fertility treatmentslike, if it happens naturally,
great, let's give it to my 42ndbirthday.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
We'll have fun, we'll have sex, which was literally a
month ago yeah, it'll be great,you know we'll.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
We'll just leave it to god, leave it to chance.
Yeah, if it happens, great.
If it doesn't happen, we say wedid it.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, and so we did.
And that was like we startedtrying, like november, yeah, I
guess.
And I found out I was pregnanton december 31st, on new year's
eve.
Should have waited one day soyou could have enjoyed new
year's eve.
I know I should have not, Iguess, and I found out I was
pregnant on December 31st, on.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
New Year's Eve.
New Year's Eve should havewaited one day, so you could
have enjoyed New Year's Eve Iknow I should have not taken
that test on New Year's Eve yeah, and that was it, and we were
pregnant.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
I'm very, and again, a very great like I want to you
know disclaimer like Iunderstand how hard.
I know so many women whostruggle, men, women and men who
struggle with their fertilityand who have problems getting
pregnant and have to go throughhell to get that baby, that
bundle of joy, and it might betriggering to hear a 41-year-old
(40:05):
woman just getting pregnantafter one or two tries.
I'm very aware of that and I'msuper obviously grateful.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
And empathetic to anybody that you know.
Yeah, absolutely for sure, forsure.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
All that being said, yeah, we're not gonna have a
fourth, because that wouldmentally destroy you and I think
hashem was like you're doneafter this, um giving me doogie
hauser for my epidural guy, butno um he didn't do it, he was
just watching um, we're good hewas free is great, you know we,
our family is complete.
(40:40):
And let's get to the name.
You know we had our baby namingyesterday yeah and so, after I
found out that I, so a fewmonths before I found out, which
I think was like the littleseed, you know what I mean?
Sure, and it was kind of like alittle seed and little seeds
here and there, last August iswhen they found six of our
(41:01):
hostages who were murdered incaptivity, and one of them, her
name was Eden, and I felt like aconnection to her.
And I felt like a connection toher because, you know, early on
in the war, uh, the hostageforum asked me to do a video
about her and I, like, got tolike, read about her, that she
was like she's a lemon cake, noshe was into pilates oh yeah
(41:26):
she's into pilates and she justlikes to dance and she's just
this young, beautiful, like 22year old, who's you know went to
a party to dance and was takenhostage and her life got cut
short.
And I just felt like I don'tknow like a connection to her,
like I knew her, and hearing thedevastating news really like it
(41:48):
was really hard.
It was a really hard week.
That week I remember like justfeeling like I lost a friend,
even though I never met her, Idon't know her.
I just felt like I lost afriend and she was always like
in my, in my mind, you know, um.
And then, after we found outthat we were pregnant, um, tony
(42:10):
and I, that day, the morningthat we were on our way to, uh,
our first like ultrasound toconfirm the you know, I think
it's our 12-week old ultrasound,where it's like to make sure
the baby's okay and healthy and,you know, growing the way it
should.
That morning we found out aboutthe babies, the two, the two the
toddler, who was four years oldfour years old when he was
(42:35):
taken hostage and his babybrother, who was actually the
same as Noah's age.
So he would be, he would bealmost three years old now, if
he was still alive.
And that was so devastating,cripplingly devastating, and
there were so many feelingsbecause here I am, you know,
pregnant and happy that I'mpregnant, but at the same time,
you know, we hear this news andit was just like so horrifying.
(42:58):
And we heard the news and wewere literally on our way to the
, to the ultrasound, and I lookat Tony, I'm like how do you
feel about Ariel, for our babygirl's name?
Speaker 2 (43:15):
I don't want to cry, okay.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
And that was it, and we said Ariel, and then I was
like middle name Eden, andthat's her name.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
And that's her name, our little miracle baby.
And you know, in the Jewishreligion you want to honor
people who passed, and normallyyou honor people who passed in
your family, but Jews andIsraelis feel like we're all one
family.
We're all a family and losingAriel and Eden and all the
(43:46):
hostages and the 1,200 peoplethat we lost on October 7th and
all the soldiers that we lostafterwards they all feel like
part of us and if I could havedone this one good deed, this
one mitzvah, and dedicate mybeautiful third baby to these
two people, then it feels good,it feels right and she brings us
(44:14):
a lot of joy and we're verygrateful.
And she's Ari, she's our littleAri.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yep, I don't know what else to say.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Yeah, I think that's all that needs to be said,
that's really all you can sayabout it.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
It was crazy and perfect all at the same time.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Yeah, and what's next for us?
We don't know, dvd.
Maybe we'll continue recording.
We'll see it's kind of justlike a fun thing that we do to
talk to you guys and talk toeach other and yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
So stay tuned.
Thank you for listening, thankyou.
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