August 8, 2022 • 41 mins
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Judas Priest Trial
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Dee Snyder's Senate Hearing for the PMRC
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The Filthy 15
https://www.udiscovermusic.com/stories/filthy-fifteen-pmrc-censorship/
https://www.ksby.com/news/local-news/local-judge-grants-parole-to-royce-casey-man-convicted-of-killing-arroyo-grande-tei
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Marissa (00:00):
Macabrepedia makes light of dark subject matter
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Matthew (00:17):
On Friday, February 13 1970, the genre of metal was
presented to the masses as BlackSabbath released their debut
album of the same name. Thetitle track leading off with a
slow unsettling riff known asDiablo is in musica, the devil
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in music, and the devil's triad.
The purpose of the triad isdeliberate and ugly. A good
start for a genre of music thatwould be pulled center stage
during the Satanic Panic of the80s and 90s. rock and metal
music would be put on trialnumerous times throughout the
decades. But it was during thistime that a series of murders,
suicides and destructive actswould fuel a panic leading to
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the creation of the PMRC weremusicians using subliminal
messages and occult imagery tobrainwash their audiences into
committing heinous acts? areviolent people simply drawn to
violent music? Was it all? Justcoincidence? Join us as we add
another entry into this ourMacabrepedia.
Marissa (01:32):
Hello, and welcome to Macabrepedia marriage of true
crime in the truly bizarre, asalways, we are your hosts,
Marissa and Matthew. And we arecontinuing the Satanic Panic
this week. It sounds like
Matthew (01:44):
you're just you know, continuing on in that I mean,
there's, there's, there's,there's a lot of there's a lot
of subject matter. Sure there.
Marissa (01:52):
So this this week, we're talking about metal.
Metal,
Matthew (02:01):
that's not, that's not I was trying to make sure that I
didn't hit a riff that wasactually real just for copyright
purposes. So during the 80s, and90s, there were a couple of kind
of high profile trials that werebrought forth, because of
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incidences that were beinglinked to metal music and rock
music and stuff, right? A lot ofit goes around this idea of
something called backmasking.
Now backmasking is hiddenimagery or hidden messaging
within music, generally playingsomething backwards.
Marissa (02:45):
Okay, so to hide it to mask it, right. All right, and
Matthew (02:48):
back mess, right? So the and if you play the play a
song backwards, it's supposed tohave hidden meanings, right? So
and this isn't just specificallyto the metal genre, because even
the Beatles have a hugeconspiracy around backmasking
that John Lennon had says thingslike, I miss you, Paul, or Paul
is dead. Paul is dead. Yeah,Paul is dead and a couple of a
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couple of references and they'rein different songs too. And
there's this conspiracy thatPaul McCartney had died and that
was replaced
Marissa (03:21):
by a fake Paul please fire an
Matthew (03:23):
exact duplicate that apparently John Lennon just
wasn't wasn't his best friendwasn't Lincoln with so you'd be
able to put little, littlelittle little drops in some of
the songs and and they were alsothe Beatles were also linked to
the Satanic Panic in ways tobecause on the on the, the cover
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of Sergeant Pepper's
Marissa (03:44):
Lonely Hearts Club.
Yeah. The Hearts Club Band. Yep,
Matthew (03:47):
I know you notice in the upper left hand corner,
there's a bald man looking veryseverely out. And that bald man
is Aleister Crowley. I am thewickedest man to ever live. He
is quite a character, AleisterCrowley, he was a member of a
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number of occult clubs andassociations and he was a
tribute they attribute parts ofSatanism to Him, though He was
very much into a different adifferent line of, of belief. It
wasn't necessarily Satanism. Heactually has this is this is
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going off on a bit of a tangentbut his wife during a trip to
Egypt spoke to spoke to anEgyptian god who had given
prophecy and then he was able toutilize that and this dude, this
dude, Aleister Crowley is abadass in some really weird
ways. But he he had even like,he was he was he moved him he
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got himself moved up to like,the head of an organization, the
son of something If this wasn'tactually part of the podcast at
all I'm just going off on a rantbut he but he he was guarding
the door so that they couldn'tgo into the temple and basically
remove him. And he came out withlike a sword and wearing like
robes and armor and stuff readyto fight off the police and
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people trying to very metalYeah, yeah, it's pre metal but
we have to kind of harp on him alittle bit is his name comes up
in a lot.
Marissa (05:27):
Crowley that's like a Ozzy things that right.
Matthew (05:29):
Miss duck row. Yeah, yeah. So he, there's a reference
there, people who are attachedto some of these crimes, they
they also they, they go hand inhand with with references to
Aleister Crowley. Now, that'swe're gonna get into that a
little bit more in the nextepisode. But for this one
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backmasking is being there'sthere's a lot of, there's a lot
of bands that have very overtsatanic imagery and lyrics in
their, in their, in theirpresentation and in their art
during this time, so it's notlike, this isn't just, oh, they
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have pictures of of devils andstuff like that. And they're
referencing murder. But that iskind of protected, at least in
the US. Under like free speech.
Ozzy was brought up in court todefend while he was supposed to
go to court to defend against akid who committed suicide and
they were they were blaming iton his music, but he was
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protected under freedom ofspeech. Yeah, so sure thrown out
him. backmasking is notprotected. Because it's not.
It's not supposed to be there.
So there's like a loophole therethat it's like, it's kind of
like
Marissa (06:53):
they're trying to put subliminal messaging in it, then
that would not be covered.
Matthew (06:56):
Yeah. Because there's there's like an ill intent.
Yeah, specifics. Okay, I get it.
But during like the 80s, andstuff, there's bands like,
mayhem, Venom, these are bandsthat are Slayer, these are bands
that they are not beingsecretive about the stuff that
they're doing, or that they'relike, the stories or imagery
that they're that they'representing. And I'm not saying
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whether or not they're, they'resatanic, necessarily or anything
like that, but they but this isthis is when, you know, there's
different sub genres of metal,so you have like death metal,
black metal, thrash metal, allkinds of different stuff. But
like death metal, and blackmetal is like, kind of what it
says on the tin, right? It'sabout death and, and darkness.
Right. So it's pretty heavystuff. So, but what is really
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gaining a lot of a lot of themedia time during this is there
are cases that do go to trial,that aren't just pretty much
immediately thrown out, like theOzzy case. So there are a bunch
of crimes that get associatedwith with these things so that
you have the stuff like Ozzy,which was pretty much thrown out
pretty quickly based on on stufflike that. There is not there's
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there are, there is an increasedbelief that the music is, you
know, causing people to do badthings and murder, suicide.
church burnings that was a bigthing in Norway, or the
Norwegian death metal scene wasin the church burnings and stuff
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like that. There's more story tothat. Don't just take that.
That's not we're not going toget too far into that. But there
was there was some things inthere and there was even there,
there are bands that have that,in that scene that had done
intentional back backmasking,which was to say, like, let the
churches burn. But they didn'tget in trouble. And they get in
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trouble for other things. Imean, they, they put that in as
a backmasking. But they alsowere like openly kind of pushing
that.
Marissa (08:56):
So they were telling people that this is in there so
that
Matthew (08:58):
again, this is not this is not part of the story that I
was really trying to get to.
Yeah, yeah. But still, I don'twant to I don't want to miss I
don't know enough about it totell you exactly how active some
of that stuff was. Now there areother crimes that are associated
with, with open association withwith devil worshipping and metal
music like Richard Ramirez, theNight Stalker. He famously stood
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up in the middle of court with apentagram and drawn on his hand
and just yelled Hail Satan andrace it up and at one of his
murder scenes, he had a he lefta ACDC hat and his name even the
Night Stalker is a play on theAC DC song of night Prowler so
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he's very openly Satanic andloosens the metal right? But as
far as some of these other theseother stories, it's, there's
there are those bands thatdeliberately put back masking in
there as like, just like to kindof play on on these fears,
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right. But there are one of themost high profile ones that
happened during this time periodwas Judas Priest, Judas Priest
released a number of songs thatwere being played backwards to
show that there were there werecommands, like do it. Right. I
don't. It's what exactly itseems very. And not only that,
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that one was actually in a in asong that I believe is actually
a cover song. So it's not evenlike they would have put that in
there specifically, although incourt, they had Rob Hatfield
actually Hallford actually singthe lyrics. And so that when he
doesn't exhale, like while he'ssinging, they were like, Is that
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intentional? Is that what is atthe hidden part where you're
doing the music? No. Man's juststylist, you know. But so to go
into that before we put Rob onthe state on the stand, we have
to go back a little bit in 1990.
Well, that's when the courtproceedings happen. That was the
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the trial was brought forthagainst Judas Priest on behalf
of the parents of two younggentlemen. One was one was the
age of 17. The other was the ageof 20. I believe, at the time,
James Vance and Raman Belknap,they after like a six hour drug
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and alcohol fueled Bender, go toa playground next to a church.
And they've been doing this forthe better part of six hours,
just getting wasted. And Ramin,Belknap, has a shotgun. And he
gets into this funk, of sayinghow he really he really fucked
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up his life and everything isshitty, and all this stuff. And
he, they make a pact, a suicidepact. And they're on like, one
of those little merry go rounds,like the ones that send
centrifugal force ones that, yaknow, throw you around, and
they're sitting on there. And heputs the gun they agree to, to
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end it. So Raymond puts the gunup to his neck, pulls the
trigger, kills himself rightthere. James will, he takes the
gun, puts it to his, his head,but he puts it, he puts it up,
instead of being close to theneck, he puts it kind of like
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where the jawline would beunderneath. So it's kind of in
the fleshy part, like under thetiny more up into the skull,
it's pointing upward. Yeah, morelike straight up. And he's
contemplating, does he reallywant to do this, but he's
committed to do it, even thoughhe doesn't really want to die,
but he's gonna He's gonna do itanyways, pulls the trigger,
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boom. He survives. He is prettyhorrifically named, I would
imagine, as a shotgun, blew outthe blue out like his, like, his
nose, and part of his skull. Andlike the whole, like, the whole
column of his head was justblown apart.
Marissa (13:35):
I've seen a lot of pictures of people who mess up
to try to kill themselves with ashotgun. And it's pretty
horrific.
Matthew (13:41):
It's crazy what you can survive. Yeah, I really will die
very, very easily. And it'slike, Whoa, I didn't expect
that, you know, some freakaccident. But sometimes it takes
a it takes a lot more to killsomebody than you think or kill
yourself, and then you think,but he ends up blowing the top
of the front of his face offeffectively. And he survives.
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He, his parents, then try to sueJudas Priest and the record
label because they believe thatthey're their children. were
influenced by these subliminalmessages and these messages that
were even not even subliminalthat were that were being pumped
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into their children'ssubconscious.
Marissa (14:27):
I mean, again, this is parents trying to find a reason
for Oh, yeah. And
Matthew (14:33):
if you there's a documentary that has that has a
court proceedings and goes intothis. And there I'll link it in
the show notes. But the theparents are absolutely fit well,
particularly the boy whosurvived. James, his parents are
very, very much like not Not,not not taking any blame at all.
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Like they And even though his,he doesn't, he didn't. He didn't
know who his his birth fatherwas. Neither one of them, I
think, knew who their birthfathers were. And he, like, his
his step father was abusive, andan alcoholic and into drugs and
had beat on his mother for thefirst couple of years of their
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life. And she's trying to defendhim and say all this stuff, but
definitely, both of these. Thesegentlemen come from very hard
upbringing. very traumatic,like, a lot of ways. Yeah. And
Raman, he, I think, from what Iwas able to kind of glean from
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the the documentary and whatjust little snippets, after he
dies, his he ends up having thebirth of his of a child, right.
So during the during the trials,he has a well, he died,
obviously, but there's a there'sa child involved as well. And I
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think that that was very scaryto him, you know, as a as a 17
year old who is about to be adad who doesn't have, he doesn't
have his daddy to he had, at onepoint stolen like $400 from an
employer, and then hopped thebus to try to go find his birth
dad and stuff like that. Andlike, like, he's a troll. He's
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he had some troubled stuff, verytroubled, and a little
desperate. So when he's saying Ifucked up my whole life, I can't
I have to assume that there'sthat plays some part into it,
right? I don't know thesituation with with the
girlfriend or whatever that washappening with that anyways, but
the the court proceedings, go onto show, try to show that
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there's do it and be dead andall this stuff, like hidden and
all these messages and stuff. SoRob, Rob, and Judas Priest, they
they go and they get other othermusic, and they play it
backwards. And they tell thecourt like, this is what you're
going to hear. And it's stufflike, it's clear as day like,
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it's so clear when he said whenhe tells you what you're going
to hear it's way more than justlike, do it. Like they're trying
to say where it's like, you'relike, so you should do it. It's
like, what do you mean? He says,do it. Even if you tell me what
to do? There's one where heactually takes takes a boombox
and puts it into the courtroom.
And he plays it back and heplays the song, then he plays it
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backwards.
Marissa (17:34):
Is this YouTube video?
Well, yeah, well
Matthew (17:36):
as the documentary. He doesn't, you can find it on
YouTube. But he but he plays itbackwards. And it's clear
clearly says, I asked for apeppermint. And I got her to get
it clear as day. So he doesthis. And he and Rob would say
that he was watching the judgewhile he played this. And he saw
like, the judge kind of like hadthis like click moment, right?
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So anyways, they Judas Priesteventually gets off without
having any liability for this.
And that's basically becausethere's just fucking bullshit.
These people are trying to get$6 million off of out of this
case. Yeah.
Marissa (18:15):
And sad, sad situation.
Matthew (18:16):
Oh, yeah, it's terrible. Well, and you know, I
mean, again, kinda like you hadsaid, and they want, they want
to have something to blame, andthey don't want to blame
themselves. Right. So they, theydon't, they don't get that. And
it does suck too, because partof it was to help raise the
baby. And another part was tohelp care for James who, in the
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documentary, he is mostlyfunctional, like he's playing
with the dog and stuff likethat. And he's, uh, he's
bandaged up and like, he's gotlike, clearly like a big, like,
crater like, hole going throughhis head and his knees. But he
seems to be pretty active. Heeventually does die three years
later, from complications due tothis. I don't I couldn't find
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like the actual details if therewas like an infection or
something that had happened withus, but he did die shortly after
getting admitted to a hospitalor trying to get admitted to a
hospital for depression. So Idon't I don't know the
conclusion of that particularstory. But so going, going also
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into this, this this time periodas well. There is the rise of
the PMRC. The PMRC is a groupknown as the Washington wives as
well.
Marissa (19:39):
What does that stand for?
Matthew (19:40):
It stands for the parents music Resource Center.
And it was formed in 1985. So alittle bit pre this this whole
thing with Judas Priest and allthat, but it was headed by
Tipper Gore. Oh, really? Yeah.
The wife of Al Gore former Well,Senator and vice president vice
president but and that's anotherthat that it's another hearing
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that is definitely worth awatch. They bring up some
unexpected people in thesehearings, but it's also really
crazy to watch because tipperstarts this whole organization
because she buys her daughter,Prince's Purple Rain album, and
is surprised that it's heavilysexual.
Marissa (20:33):
Come on. Yeah. Like, the man in France a
Matthew (20:37):
man is is is purple sex. Yeah. And I mean, I mean,
but, and part of it is, there'sa particular lyric in there that
says I met her in a hotel lobbyand she was pleasuring herself
with a magazine. And she tipperflips out about this and, and
makes a big deal about it, theycome up with something called
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the filthy 15 The filthy 15 are15 songs that need to be banned
or something along those linesto be to be as their exam
examples of like what theyfigured was like the worst of
the worst. And some of them I'mlike, come on,
Marissa (21:21):
there's only 15
Matthew (21:23):
Well, I'm sure some more I'll read it off to you. So
there was Cindy loppers shebought of 1983 there was Mary
Jane girls in my house, whichwas arranged by Rick James so
you know that that's a good one.
Black Sabbath trashed there wasmerciful fate into the Coven
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deaf leopards high and dry. Waspanimal fuck like a beast. Okay,
well,
Marissa (21:58):
okay, get that one.
Matthew (21:59):
Madonna's dress you up?
A CDCs let me put my love intoyou. Twisted sisters. We're not
going to take it I love them.
You love Twisted Sister. Yeah,well Dee Snider if you like
Twisted Sister this was like thesnap D Snyder's pretty badass
dude anyways, but he goes thereand he presents a really great
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case in front of the court withthis oh yeah him and John
Denver. Oh nice. Yeah. Are bothbasically their their whole
stance is it's it's freedom ofspeech and that it's they're not
responsible for other peoplereading into the lyrics and
stuff and it's it's it's it'snot it's not they made the song
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the way they made the song andit's theirs to make it regulate
art man Right exactly. That'sbasically all it comes down to
another one is Motley crewsbastard. You got vanity strap on
Robbie, baby that one I don'tknow. I don't I don't know that
one. Judas Priest eat me alive.
Sheena Easton sugar walls. Idon't know if I know that one.
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But when they said sugar walls Iwas like nice. When you tell me
the context and then the onethat out the 15 there Well,
there's two more really, but oneof the one was there was also
that I had mentioned him earlierthe the band venom and they have
a song called possessed. Whichis it's like, some of the lyrics
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are I drink the vomit of priestsmake love with a dying whore.
Like, yeah, that one. I'm like,All right. All right. Okay,
that's not the I mean, though,some bands they don't they don't
hide what they're doing likesugar walls. Like I said, you
told me the context. Yeah,gotcha, gotcha. But the one that
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and then of course there wasdarling Nikki by Prince which is
the one that got tipper allworked
Marissa (23:57):
up. She got all worked up. I don't know, I'm just I'm
just imagining them sittingaround reading reading these
lyrics and listening to thesongs and I was a terrible
Matthew (24:06):
tipper reads out the lyrics from Darlene Nicki in
reference, and I'm like, sogood. Nice. But yeah, so they
all come forth, and that do thisand there was a bit of a, you
know, there's a bit of a issuewith it. I mean, ultimately, I
do agree that there should besomething like, you know,
there's like movies, they have arating system, right. So if you
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know that there's a rated R, youshould know kind of you have an
idea as to what you're gettinginto. And then there's stuff
like that what we have now withthe parental advisory for
explicit content labeled alittle black and white box. I do
agree that that should be there.
Because it is it is nice to haveit and as a person who has
worked in certain industrieswhere there are age restricted,
I worked in video games, thereare age restricted thing, it is
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nice to kind of have an idea asto what's in this because you're
Marissa (24:56):
as you're selling if somebody you have to tell them
or you should tell them not only
Matthew (24:59):
that, but as As a parent, your kid says, Can I get
this? And you look at it, andit's whatever and you go Yeah,
sure
Marissa (25:05):
exactly what I'm saying, as a person who's
selling it, you can tell themhey, this is actually what's up
here.
Matthew (25:10):
Grand Theft Auto, some
Marissa (25:11):
do. But yeah.
Matthew (25:12):
Oh my god, I can't I can't tell you how many times I
would tell. I would flip itover, I got a little bit of
trouble for this. I would flipit over and I would read that it
has sexual content. Yeah.
nudity, strong language,violence, and I would read
everything off from the back ofit. And every parent would say,
I make them turn off the sound.
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To which I'd say yeah, becauseit's the sound of beating a
hooker with a bat to steal theirmoney back after you have sex
with them. That's the realproblem with that. So there are
these. And then some of thedefenses. There's another woman
who's there named Susan Baker,Susan Baker is, you know, trying
to say the same kind of thing islike, music nowadays is so
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terrible back in my day, when wewere just listening to good old
stuff like Elvis Presley band,you know, like all of these, all
of them every quite a ruckus,but every person that she every
band, or artists that she listshad been banned in the time that
it came out. So it's just like,it's just another, you know,
it's all this stuff. But
Marissa (26:15):
Elvis was very sexual at the time. I mean, it wasn't
overt as per now, but like atthe time, it calls
Matthew (26:21):
No, they weren't allowed to show was crazy. Yeah,
they weren't because they weretoo sexy. Yeah. But they were
Yeah. So anyways, I agree withthe idea of a parental advisory
sticker. They wanted it to bemuch bigger, like, like, some
countries have the SurgeonGeneral warnings and like
pictures of like, babies andstuff on cigarettes, and they
were calling for something alittle more like that. Which we
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have that little, the littleblack and white parental
advisory sticker on there. Butthe there was the argument of
like, but that's also coveringup the artwork that we're
presenting on here. But anyways,they end up getting that
everything else. Yeah, not somuch. Another good watch,
though. And but the idea oflike, art, influencing people
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and being like, the fall ofcivilization, and all this stuff
has been going on since thebirth of civilization like
Aristotle was complaining aboutthe youth being not like the not
like the older generation andthey don't understand how to do
this and there are a bunch ofruffians indebted now it's
violent video game. Yeah, fastforward 3000 years. And this is
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amazing complaint. It's nodifferent.
Marissa (27:32):
I mean, art does influence people for sure. But
not, not in that way. I don'tbelieve I mean, if you're gonna
be influenced by that, you'realready gonna be likely to head
that way.
Matthew (27:41):
Right? I think that violent people will be attracted
to violent music more often. Noteven, that's not even 100%
thing. And there's also youknow, there are some people who
just are attracted to violentmusic for when I say violent, I
mean, also just like fast,heavy, you know, whatever, all
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this kind of stuff. Because fordifferent different reasons. And
some of it is just because theylike to hear the shock value and
stuff like that. There are otherother people who are attracted
to the music. Then there arethose people kind of in the, the
Ramirez kind of knightstalkerkind of thing that are violent
people who like the violentmusic, right, or heavier, faster
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music. And then there are somepeople who are undoubtedly
influenced by the lyrics. It's,you know, answers 100%. Taking
into that kind of vein, the caseof Elise paler. She was a 15
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year old girl who was slain bythree of her her friends. The
three the three friends wereJoseph Fiorella, age 14, Jacob,
Dell Schmidt, and Royce KC, age16. They had a metal band called
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hatred, and they're 16 and 14.
And they they are very much intoa band called Slayer. And Slayer
has. They have they have a lotof very, very violent songs.
Like I don't know where to put
Marissa (29:25):
it. People new people like to swim. Like what? Nothing
put in podcast that I've knownpeople who really loved Slayer.
Isn't that the one with thecrazy shirts and stuff and masks
or am I making
Matthew (29:39):
slipknot? But so Slayer has some very heavy imagery,
right? They have songs aboutsacrifice and necrophilia and
all this kind of, you know,these really intense intense
lyrics. And these three boyswere kind of trying to do like a
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Tommy Johnson kind of a thing.
At The Crossroads. It's
Marissa (30:04):
the Oh yeah, yeah, the crossroads. Yep, the guitar
player
Matthew (30:07):
who met the devil at the crossroads, and then made a
deal with the devil in order tobecome a great musician, they're
kind of doing this kind ofthing. So they're thinking that
if they make a sacrifice to thedevil, that they will be able to
trade that for some musicalchops. So they have they meet up
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with this girl to have them goto the go to school with her,
Jacob and Joseph. And the, thein Royse goes to another school
because he's like a at riskchild or something. So they but
the three of them are in theband together, they start
hanging out with her. She'slike, what she likes sneaks out
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of the house and goes hangs outwith them and stuff like that.
So she's not like a perfectlittle girl or anything like
that. But they target herspecifically because they
believe her to be a highlydevout Christian and a virgin.
And she's like blond haired,blue eyed. She's just like, the
perfect satanic sacrifice, andthey're, so the two. So Jacob
and Joseph, they have anotherfriend that they plot with to
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lure her to this ravine, andthey get her out there. And the
other friend, not not of thethree that I've named, he goes
into the ravine lures her downthere, they give him a hunting
knife, and tell him the stabber.
He freezes and doesn't do it.
She believes that it's just kindof a joke that they're just
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messing with her and forgivesand forgets and then moves on.
Joseph, the 14 year old is theone who's like super into the
occult, he's into the AleisterCrowley's he's into Satanism,
and he he's reading all of theselike occult books and like,
he's, he's really buying intothis, like, let's let's raise
the devil kind of a thing. Andhe then teamed up for a second
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attempt. And this time theybring Royce into it. And they
they lure her out again, shelies to her parents, so she's
gonna go to bed, she ends upsneaking out, they meet up in a
secluded area, while they'resitting there smoking weed and
looking at the stars andbullshitting and, you know,
doing whatever teens do. One ofthem throws a belt around her
(32:24):
neck, and pulls her pulls her tothe ground pins are there and
another one gets on top of herhold your arms down. And the
third then begins to stab herwith with a hunting knife man,
the coroner would later say ofthe 15 blows that were struck on
her. None of them are fatal,meaning she died from blood
(32:45):
loss. So she just had to sitthere and the pain of of this
again, like I said, it's it.
People don't die quite as easyas the movies will show. And
it's it's a kind of a horrificthing.
Marissa (32:58):
That's, that's really terrible.
Matthew (33:00):
To these three, they are all about this, they have a
high energy about this wholething. And they proceed to have
some necro philic no relationswith her. One of which I don't
know who it was, went back afterthey had finished and had made
return trips to her corpse tocontinue their relationship.
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Well, they had pretty muchgotten away with it because no
one could find the body oranything like that. Shortly
thereafter, Royce Royce Casey heends up converting to
Christianity and he somewhat infear of the other two being that
he's going to be targeted bythem because there are again so
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there they were ritualisticallykind of doing lines that can be
very much associated so likeSlayer, being that like there
were there are references tonecrophilia and how that like
dams the soul harder kind of athing. I don't know the actual
lyrics and pull those up forthis. But like there's the idea
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of like human sacrifice and allthis stuff. And it can be a
there's definitely some throughlines in there. There wasn't
ever Slayer never showed up incourt to defend this or whatever
like that. But the ROI turns ofChristianity and there's a line
in the Slayer thing that saysonce you leave us or then
basically you're going todisappear. So he's kind of
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working off of that kind ofsentiment thinking they're gonna
they're gonna target me healready had reason to believe
that they were already lookingfor a second victim anyways. So
he confesses to his Pastor.
Pastor says, well, we got to, wegot to do what's right. So Royce
comes forward, tells theauthorities, the three of them
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all get arrested. They enter aplea bargain, which gives them
25 To law If and oddly enough,the Royce ended up coming up for
parole, and 2021 which was whichwas he got? He got paroled. But
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then the governor said, Nope,no, yeah. You're not getting
out. So they overturned that.
Then Supreme Court said, No, heis getting out. So I believe, as
of 2022, he is actually out onparole, because they were like,
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well, he helped, you know, heshowed good, you know, he shows
good behavior. And he was theone who turned them all in and
whatever he you know, he's theonly one with any kind of a
guilty conscience. But anyways,the Satanic Panic rolled on in
the music industry throughoutthat. And there's a lot of
stories that are associated tometal and murder and satanic
(35:59):
cult stuff. And I can'tobviously cover them all here,
just kind of giving you a coupleof couple of tasty, tasty bits.
But yeah, and I guess with that,we can move on to a McCobb
minute. Because we're good attransitions, smooth transitions,
Marissa (36:18):
transitions are fun.
This Macabrepedia is not astraditional as most, but that's
okay. They're short. I have toI'll give two since they're so
short. Okay. All right. So, youknow, the French Revolution? I
do. Yeah. I mean, we've talkedabout a little bit here and
there. Not in detail, though.
(36:38):
But, you know, just the Count ofMonte Cristo, you did watch. And
then we watched the movie.
Mighty that 2000?
Matthew (36:45):
Yeah. 2002. Yeah, we've watched the movie anyway. So
that's not about the revolution.
Marissa (36:51):
No, no. But anyway, we got the French Revolution.
Obviously, people lost theirheads. The guillotine was the
star of the French Revolution,basically. But one thing you may
not know is that people foughtor like begging and pleading to
be the first ones executed on aday. Oh, yeah. Because as time
(37:12):
went on, the doll, the the bladedulls, and then it takes, it's
not a clean cut at that point.
And it might just be way worsedeath. If you've got an adult
blade coming down on your neck.
You don't want that. So that'sthat's one McCobb fact.
Matthew (37:29):
Yeah, it also gets, you know, it gets sticky, as if it's
overused. Yeah. So and also,depending on weather, it might
not drop as quickly. Yeah, itmight just, there's really hard.
Yeah, there's people who havebeen able to turn and look back
up at the at the guillotine justbefore it falls again.
Marissa (37:46):
So yeah, so you want it to be one of the first ones.
Matthew (37:49):
If you're gonna be executed by guillotine, make
sure you're the first one,
Marissa (37:52):
make sure the blade is sharp. The other one is
completely unrelated. But that'sokay. So if you think about it,
if you watched a lot of likesitcoms in the 90s, and 2000s,
and all that, and you hear thelaugh track in the background,
that was recorded sometime inthe 1950s Most likely, which
means you're listening to deadpeople laughing. Yeah, that was
(38:13):
interesting. Yeah, that is,
Matthew (38:17):
I always say that that's funny when I do watch
shows that have like that arefrom like, the 30s or something
like that. And the older stuffand, and I'm like every person
that is that is that I'm seeingright now. All dead, everyone.
Oh, yeah. No, but not just likeyou think about it, like, Oh,
they're dead. You're like, no,these people are like, Yeah,
this is like, it's cool. I mean,that kind of thinking of that. I
(38:38):
mean, it's very McCobbobviously, but it's also kind of
a moment of reverence in a waylike remembrance, you know, it's
kind of the same thing as likevisiting somebody's grave. So in
a way, like if you're watchingan actor, and the
Marissa (38:50):
preserved their immortal on that.
Matthew (38:53):
And to understand and respect that is pretty, pretty
cool, I think personally. Butanyways, that will do it for
this episode of Macabrepedia.
And this is our 50th episode.
Marissa (39:07):
It is
Matthew (39:08):
Oh, 50. We did well, in the middle of a series where
they treat you with respect, weshould have 50
Marissa (39:16):
Man, we'll get it later.
Matthew (39:19):
We're thinking about doing like an HH Holmes or Jack
the Ripper. One of the big ones.
One of the big ones. Yeah. Imean, Satanic Panic is pretty
big, big one. That's
Marissa (39:29):
not our traditional more modern than most.
Matthew (39:31):
Yeah. Which, by the way, way easier to research.
Yeah, when the most true crimepodcast, I can watch the trial
take place and I can just takenotes. Yeah, watch it and then
just flip to another one andwatch another one. Like, it's
like, I can actually watch thetrial as opposed to like, having
to buy a pamphlet from 1840.
Like, you know, a bunch of weirdedits and poorly photocopied
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kind of we did
Marissa (39:55):
not choose an easy topic now.
Matthew (39:57):
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Macabrepedia
Macabrepedia makes light of dark subject matter
(00:02):
that may not be suitable for allaudiences listener discretion is
advised.
Matthew (00:17):
On Friday, February 13 1970, the genre of metal was
presented to the masses as BlackSabbath released their debut
album of the same name. Thetitle track leading off with a
slow unsettling riff known asDiablo is in musica, the devil
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in music, and the devil's triad.
The purpose of the triad isdeliberate and ugly. A good
start for a genre of music thatwould be pulled center stage
during the Satanic Panic of the80s and 90s. rock and metal
music would be put on trialnumerous times throughout the
decades. But it was during thistime that a series of murders,
suicides and destructive actswould fuel a panic leading to
(01:01):
the creation of the PMRC weremusicians using subliminal
messages and occult imagery tobrainwash their audiences into
committing heinous acts? areviolent people simply drawn to
violent music? Was it all? Justcoincidence? Join us as we add
another entry into this ourMacabrepedia.
Marissa (01:32):
Hello, and welcome to Macabrepedia marriage of true
crime in the truly bizarre, asalways, we are your hosts,
Marissa and Matthew. And we arecontinuing the Satanic Panic
this week. It sounds like
Matthew (01:44):
you're just you know, continuing on in that I mean,
there's, there's, there's,there's a lot of there's a lot
of subject matter. Sure there.
Marissa (01:52):
So this this week, we're talking about metal.
Metal,
Matthew (02:01):
that's not, that's not I was trying to make sure that I
didn't hit a riff that wasactually real just for copyright
purposes. So during the 80s, and90s, there were a couple of kind
of high profile trials that werebrought forth, because of
(02:24):
incidences that were beinglinked to metal music and rock
music and stuff, right? A lot ofit goes around this idea of
something called backmasking.
Now backmasking is hiddenimagery or hidden messaging
within music, generally playingsomething backwards.
Marissa (02:45):
Okay, so to hide it to mask it, right. All right, and
Matthew (02:48):
back mess, right? So the and if you play the play a
song backwards, it's supposed tohave hidden meanings, right? So
and this isn't just specificallyto the metal genre, because even
the Beatles have a hugeconspiracy around backmasking
that John Lennon had says thingslike, I miss you, Paul, or Paul
is dead. Paul is dead. Yeah,Paul is dead and a couple of a
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couple of references and they'rein different songs too. And
there's this conspiracy thatPaul McCartney had died and that
was replaced
Marissa (03:21):
by a fake Paul please fire an
Matthew (03:23):
exact duplicate that apparently John Lennon just
wasn't wasn't his best friendwasn't Lincoln with so you'd be
able to put little, littlelittle little drops in some of
the songs and and they were alsothe Beatles were also linked to
the Satanic Panic in ways tobecause on the on the, the cover
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of Sergeant Pepper's
Marissa (03:44):
Lonely Hearts Club.
Yeah. The Hearts Club Band. Yep,
Matthew (03:47):
I know you notice in the upper left hand corner,
there's a bald man looking veryseverely out. And that bald man
is Aleister Crowley. I am thewickedest man to ever live. He
is quite a character, AleisterCrowley, he was a member of a
(04:09):
number of occult clubs andassociations and he was a
tribute they attribute parts ofSatanism to Him, though He was
very much into a different adifferent line of, of belief. It
wasn't necessarily Satanism. Heactually has this is this is
(04:31):
going off on a bit of a tangentbut his wife during a trip to
Egypt spoke to spoke to anEgyptian god who had given
prophecy and then he was able toutilize that and this dude, this
dude, Aleister Crowley is abadass in some really weird
ways. But he he had even like,he was he was he moved him he
(04:54):
got himself moved up to like,the head of an organization, the
son of something If this wasn'tactually part of the podcast at
all I'm just going off on a rantbut he but he he was guarding
the door so that they couldn'tgo into the temple and basically
remove him. And he came out withlike a sword and wearing like
robes and armor and stuff readyto fight off the police and
(05:16):
people trying to very metalYeah, yeah, it's pre metal but
we have to kind of harp on him alittle bit is his name comes up
in a lot.
Marissa (05:27):
Crowley that's like a Ozzy things that right.
Matthew (05:29):
Miss duck row. Yeah, yeah. So he, there's a reference
there, people who are attachedto some of these crimes, they
they also they, they go hand inhand with with references to
Aleister Crowley. Now, that'swe're gonna get into that a
little bit more in the nextepisode. But for this one
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backmasking is being there'sthere's a lot of, there's a lot
of bands that have very overtsatanic imagery and lyrics in
their, in their, in theirpresentation and in their art
during this time, so it's notlike, this isn't just, oh, they
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have pictures of of devils andstuff like that. And they're
referencing murder. But that iskind of protected, at least in
the US. Under like free speech.
Ozzy was brought up in court todefend while he was supposed to
go to court to defend against akid who committed suicide and
they were they were blaming iton his music, but he was
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protected under freedom ofspeech. Yeah, so sure thrown out
him. backmasking is notprotected. Because it's not.
It's not supposed to be there.
So there's like a loophole therethat it's like, it's kind of
like
Marissa (06:53):
they're trying to put subliminal messaging in it, then
that would not be covered.
Matthew (06:56):
Yeah. Because there's there's like an ill intent.
Yeah, specifics. Okay, I get it.
But during like the 80s, andstuff, there's bands like,
mayhem, Venom, these are bandsthat are Slayer, these are bands
that they are not beingsecretive about the stuff that
they're doing, or that they'relike, the stories or imagery
that they're that they'representing. And I'm not saying
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whether or not they're, they'resatanic, necessarily or anything
like that, but they but this isthis is when, you know, there's
different sub genres of metal,so you have like death metal,
black metal, thrash metal, allkinds of different stuff. But
like death metal, and blackmetal is like, kind of what it
says on the tin, right? It'sabout death and, and darkness.
Right. So it's pretty heavystuff. So, but what is really
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gaining a lot of a lot of themedia time during this is there
are cases that do go to trial,that aren't just pretty much
immediately thrown out, like theOzzy case. So there are a bunch
of crimes that get associatedwith with these things so that
you have the stuff like Ozzy,which was pretty much thrown out
pretty quickly based on on stufflike that. There is not there's
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there are, there is an increasedbelief that the music is, you
know, causing people to do badthings and murder, suicide.
church burnings that was a bigthing in Norway, or the
Norwegian death metal scene wasin the church burnings and stuff
(08:24):
like that. There's more story tothat. Don't just take that.
That's not we're not going toget too far into that. But there
was there was some things inthere and there was even there,
there are bands that have that,in that scene that had done
intentional back backmasking,which was to say, like, let the
churches burn. But they didn'tget in trouble. And they get in
(08:46):
trouble for other things. Imean, they, they put that in as
a backmasking. But they alsowere like openly kind of pushing
that.
Marissa (08:56):
So they were telling people that this is in there so
that
Matthew (08:58):
again, this is not this is not part of the story that I
was really trying to get to.
Yeah, yeah. But still, I don'twant to I don't want to miss I
don't know enough about it totell you exactly how active some
of that stuff was. Now there areother crimes that are associated
with, with open association withwith devil worshipping and metal
music like Richard Ramirez, theNight Stalker. He famously stood
(09:23):
up in the middle of court with apentagram and drawn on his hand
and just yelled Hail Satan andrace it up and at one of his
murder scenes, he had a he lefta ACDC hat and his name even the
Night Stalker is a play on theAC DC song of night Prowler so
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he's very openly Satanic andloosens the metal right? But as
far as some of these other theseother stories, it's, there's
there are those bands thatdeliberately put back masking in
there as like, just like to kindof play on on these fears,
(10:05):
right. But there are one of themost high profile ones that
happened during this time periodwas Judas Priest, Judas Priest
released a number of songs thatwere being played backwards to
show that there were there werecommands, like do it. Right. I
don't. It's what exactly itseems very. And not only that,
(10:31):
that one was actually in a in asong that I believe is actually
a cover song. So it's not evenlike they would have put that in
there specifically, although incourt, they had Rob Hatfield
actually Hallford actually singthe lyrics. And so that when he
doesn't exhale, like while he'ssinging, they were like, Is that
(10:51):
intentional? Is that what is atthe hidden part where you're
doing the music? No. Man's juststylist, you know. But so to go
into that before we put Rob onthe state on the stand, we have
to go back a little bit in 1990.
Well, that's when the courtproceedings happen. That was the
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the trial was brought forthagainst Judas Priest on behalf
of the parents of two younggentlemen. One was one was the
age of 17. The other was the ageof 20. I believe, at the time,
James Vance and Raman Belknap,they after like a six hour drug
(11:39):
and alcohol fueled Bender, go toa playground next to a church.
And they've been doing this forthe better part of six hours,
just getting wasted. And Ramin,Belknap, has a shotgun. And he
gets into this funk, of sayinghow he really he really fucked
(12:05):
up his life and everything isshitty, and all this stuff. And
he, they make a pact, a suicidepact. And they're on like, one
of those little merry go rounds,like the ones that send
centrifugal force ones that, yaknow, throw you around, and
they're sitting on there. And heputs the gun they agree to, to
(12:28):
end it. So Raymond puts the gunup to his neck, pulls the
trigger, kills himself rightthere. James will, he takes the
gun, puts it to his, his head,but he puts it, he puts it up,
instead of being close to theneck, he puts it kind of like
(12:51):
where the jawline would beunderneath. So it's kind of in
the fleshy part, like under thetiny more up into the skull,
it's pointing upward. Yeah, morelike straight up. And he's
contemplating, does he reallywant to do this, but he's
committed to do it, even thoughhe doesn't really want to die,
but he's gonna He's gonna do itanyways, pulls the trigger,
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boom. He survives. He is prettyhorrifically named, I would
imagine, as a shotgun, blew outthe blue out like his, like, his
nose, and part of his skull. Andlike the whole, like, the whole
column of his head was justblown apart.
Marissa (13:35):
I've seen a lot of pictures of people who mess up
to try to kill themselves with ashotgun. And it's pretty
horrific.
Matthew (13:41):
It's crazy what you can survive. Yeah, I really will die
very, very easily. And it'slike, Whoa, I didn't expect
that, you know, some freakaccident. But sometimes it takes
a it takes a lot more to killsomebody than you think or kill
yourself, and then you think,but he ends up blowing the top
of the front of his face offeffectively. And he survives.
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He, his parents, then try to sueJudas Priest and the record
label because they believe thatthey're their children. were
influenced by these subliminalmessages and these messages that
were even not even subliminalthat were that were being pumped
(14:25):
into their children'ssubconscious.
Marissa (14:27):
I mean, again, this is parents trying to find a reason
for Oh, yeah. And
Matthew (14:33):
if you there's a documentary that has that has a
court proceedings and goes intothis. And there I'll link it in
the show notes. But the theparents are absolutely fit well,
particularly the boy whosurvived. James, his parents are
very, very much like not Not,not not taking any blame at all.
(14:59):
Like they And even though his,he doesn't, he didn't. He didn't
know who his his birth fatherwas. Neither one of them, I
think, knew who their birthfathers were. And he, like, his
his step father was abusive, andan alcoholic and into drugs and
had beat on his mother for thefirst couple of years of their
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life. And she's trying to defendhim and say all this stuff, but
definitely, both of these. Thesegentlemen come from very hard
upbringing. very traumatic,like, a lot of ways. Yeah. And
Raman, he, I think, from what Iwas able to kind of glean from
(15:42):
the the documentary and whatjust little snippets, after he
dies, his he ends up having thebirth of his of a child, right.
So during the during the trials,he has a well, he died,
obviously, but there's a there'sa child involved as well. And I
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think that that was very scaryto him, you know, as a as a 17
year old who is about to be adad who doesn't have, he doesn't
have his daddy to he had, at onepoint stolen like $400 from an
employer, and then hopped thebus to try to go find his birth
dad and stuff like that. Andlike, like, he's a troll. He's
(16:25):
he had some troubled stuff, verytroubled, and a little
desperate. So when he's saying Ifucked up my whole life, I can't
I have to assume that there'sthat plays some part into it,
right? I don't know thesituation with with the
girlfriend or whatever that washappening with that anyways, but
the the court proceedings, go onto show, try to show that
(16:49):
there's do it and be dead andall this stuff, like hidden and
all these messages and stuff. SoRob, Rob, and Judas Priest, they
they go and they get other othermusic, and they play it
backwards. And they tell thecourt like, this is what you're
going to hear. And it's stufflike, it's clear as day like,
(17:10):
it's so clear when he said whenhe tells you what you're going
to hear it's way more than justlike, do it. Like they're trying
to say where it's like, you'relike, so you should do it. It's
like, what do you mean? He says,do it. Even if you tell me what
to do? There's one where heactually takes takes a boombox
and puts it into the courtroom.
And he plays it back and heplays the song, then he plays it
(17:32):
backwards.
Marissa (17:34):
Is this YouTube video?
Well, yeah, well
Matthew (17:36):
as the documentary. He doesn't, you can find it on
YouTube. But he but he plays itbackwards. And it's clear
clearly says, I asked for apeppermint. And I got her to get
it clear as day. So he doesthis. And he and Rob would say
that he was watching the judgewhile he played this. And he saw
like, the judge kind of like hadthis like click moment, right?
(17:58):
So anyways, they Judas Priesteventually gets off without
having any liability for this.
And that's basically becausethere's just fucking bullshit.
These people are trying to get$6 million off of out of this
case. Yeah.
Marissa (18:15):
And sad, sad situation.
Matthew (18:16):
Oh, yeah, it's terrible. Well, and you know, I
mean, again, kinda like you hadsaid, and they want, they want
to have something to blame, andthey don't want to blame
themselves. Right. So they, theydon't, they don't get that. And
it does suck too, because partof it was to help raise the
baby. And another part was tohelp care for James who, in the
(18:42):
documentary, he is mostlyfunctional, like he's playing
with the dog and stuff likethat. And he's, uh, he's
bandaged up and like, he's gotlike, clearly like a big, like,
crater like, hole going throughhis head and his knees. But he
seems to be pretty active. Heeventually does die three years
later, from complications due tothis. I don't I couldn't find
(19:04):
like the actual details if therewas like an infection or
something that had happened withus, but he did die shortly after
getting admitted to a hospitalor trying to get admitted to a
hospital for depression. So Idon't I don't know the
conclusion of that particularstory. But so going, going also
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into this, this this time periodas well. There is the rise of
the PMRC. The PMRC is a groupknown as the Washington wives as
well.
Marissa (19:39):
What does that stand for?
Matthew (19:40):
It stands for the parents music Resource Center.
And it was formed in 1985. So alittle bit pre this this whole
thing with Judas Priest and allthat, but it was headed by
Tipper Gore. Oh, really? Yeah.
The wife of Al Gore former Well,Senator and vice president vice
president but and that's anotherthat that it's another hearing
(20:05):
that is definitely worth awatch. They bring up some
unexpected people in thesehearings, but it's also really
crazy to watch because tipperstarts this whole organization
because she buys her daughter,Prince's Purple Rain album, and
is surprised that it's heavilysexual.
Marissa (20:33):
Come on. Yeah. Like, the man in France a
Matthew (20:37):
man is is is purple sex. Yeah. And I mean, I mean,
but, and part of it is, there'sa particular lyric in there that
says I met her in a hotel lobbyand she was pleasuring herself
with a magazine. And she tipperflips out about this and, and
makes a big deal about it, theycome up with something called
(21:00):
the filthy 15 The filthy 15 are15 songs that need to be banned
or something along those linesto be to be as their exam
examples of like what theyfigured was like the worst of
the worst. And some of them I'mlike, come on,
Marissa (21:21):
there's only 15
Matthew (21:23):
Well, I'm sure some more I'll read it off to you. So
there was Cindy loppers shebought of 1983 there was Mary
Jane girls in my house, whichwas arranged by Rick James so
you know that that's a good one.
Black Sabbath trashed there wasmerciful fate into the Coven
(21:48):
deaf leopards high and dry. Waspanimal fuck like a beast. Okay,
well,
Marissa (21:58):
okay, get that one.
Matthew (21:59):
Madonna's dress you up?
A CDCs let me put my love intoyou. Twisted sisters. We're not
going to take it I love them.
You love Twisted Sister. Yeah,well Dee Snider if you like
Twisted Sister this was like thesnap D Snyder's pretty badass
dude anyways, but he goes thereand he presents a really great
(22:21):
case in front of the court withthis oh yeah him and John
Denver. Oh nice. Yeah. Are bothbasically their their whole
stance is it's it's freedom ofspeech and that it's they're not
responsible for other peoplereading into the lyrics and
stuff and it's it's it's it'snot it's not they made the song
(22:44):
the way they made the song andit's theirs to make it regulate
art man Right exactly. That'sbasically all it comes down to
another one is Motley crewsbastard. You got vanity strap on
Robbie, baby that one I don'tknow. I don't I don't know that
one. Judas Priest eat me alive.
Sheena Easton sugar walls. Idon't know if I know that one.
(23:05):
But when they said sugar walls Iwas like nice. When you tell me
the context and then the onethat out the 15 there Well,
there's two more really, but oneof the one was there was also
that I had mentioned him earlierthe the band venom and they have
a song called possessed. Whichis it's like, some of the lyrics
(23:27):
are I drink the vomit of priestsmake love with a dying whore.
Like, yeah, that one. I'm like,All right. All right. Okay,
that's not the I mean, though,some bands they don't they don't
hide what they're doing likesugar walls. Like I said, you
told me the context. Yeah,gotcha, gotcha. But the one that
(23:48):
and then of course there wasdarling Nikki by Prince which is
the one that got tipper allworked
Marissa (23:57):
up. She got all worked up. I don't know, I'm just I'm
just imagining them sittingaround reading reading these
lyrics and listening to thesongs and I was a terrible
Matthew (24:06):
tipper reads out the lyrics from Darlene Nicki in
reference, and I'm like, sogood. Nice. But yeah, so they
all come forth, and that do thisand there was a bit of a, you
know, there's a bit of a issuewith it. I mean, ultimately, I
do agree that there should besomething like, you know,
there's like movies, they have arating system, right. So if you
(24:27):
know that there's a rated R, youshould know kind of you have an
idea as to what you're gettinginto. And then there's stuff
like that what we have now withthe parental advisory for
explicit content labeled alittle black and white box. I do
agree that that should be there.
Because it is it is nice to haveit and as a person who has
worked in certain industrieswhere there are age restricted,
I worked in video games, thereare age restricted thing, it is
(24:51):
nice to kind of have an idea asto what's in this because you're
Marissa (24:56):
as you're selling if somebody you have to tell them
or you should tell them not only
Matthew (24:59):
that, but as As a parent, your kid says, Can I get
this? And you look at it, andit's whatever and you go Yeah,
sure
Marissa (25:05):
exactly what I'm saying, as a person who's
selling it, you can tell themhey, this is actually what's up
here.
Matthew (25:10):
Grand Theft Auto, some
Marissa (25:11):
do. But yeah.
Matthew (25:12):
Oh my god, I can't I can't tell you how many times I
would tell. I would flip itover, I got a little bit of
trouble for this. I would flipit over and I would read that it
has sexual content. Yeah.
nudity, strong language,violence, and I would read
everything off from the back ofit. And every parent would say,
I make them turn off the sound.
(25:32):
To which I'd say yeah, becauseit's the sound of beating a
hooker with a bat to steal theirmoney back after you have sex
with them. That's the realproblem with that. So there are
these. And then some of thedefenses. There's another woman
who's there named Susan Baker,Susan Baker is, you know, trying
to say the same kind of thing islike, music nowadays is so
(25:55):
terrible back in my day, when wewere just listening to good old
stuff like Elvis Presley band,you know, like all of these, all
of them every quite a ruckus,but every person that she every
band, or artists that she listshad been banned in the time that
it came out. So it's just like,it's just another, you know,
it's all this stuff. But
Marissa (26:15):
Elvis was very sexual at the time. I mean, it wasn't
overt as per now, but like atthe time, it calls
Matthew (26:21):
No, they weren't allowed to show was crazy. Yeah,
they weren't because they weretoo sexy. Yeah. But they were
Yeah. So anyways, I agree withthe idea of a parental advisory
sticker. They wanted it to bemuch bigger, like, like, some
countries have the SurgeonGeneral warnings and like
pictures of like, babies andstuff on cigarettes, and they
were calling for something alittle more like that. Which we
(26:44):
have that little, the littleblack and white parental
advisory sticker on there. Butthe there was the argument of
like, but that's also coveringup the artwork that we're
presenting on here. But anyways,they end up getting that
everything else. Yeah, not somuch. Another good watch,
though. And but the idea oflike, art, influencing people
(27:08):
and being like, the fall ofcivilization, and all this stuff
has been going on since thebirth of civilization like
Aristotle was complaining aboutthe youth being not like the not
like the older generation andthey don't understand how to do
this and there are a bunch ofruffians indebted now it's
violent video game. Yeah, fastforward 3000 years. And this is
(27:30):
amazing complaint. It's nodifferent.
Marissa (27:32):
I mean, art does influence people for sure. But
not, not in that way. I don'tbelieve I mean, if you're gonna
be influenced by that, you'realready gonna be likely to head
that way.
Matthew (27:41):
Right? I think that violent people will be attracted
to violent music more often. Noteven, that's not even 100%
thing. And there's also youknow, there are some people who
just are attracted to violentmusic for when I say violent, I
mean, also just like fast,heavy, you know, whatever, all
(28:01):
this kind of stuff. Because fordifferent different reasons. And
some of it is just because theylike to hear the shock value and
stuff like that. There are otherother people who are attracted
to the music. Then there arethose people kind of in the, the
Ramirez kind of knightstalkerkind of thing that are violent
people who like the violentmusic, right, or heavier, faster
(28:24):
music. And then there are somepeople who are undoubtedly
influenced by the lyrics. It's,you know, answers 100%. Taking
into that kind of vein, the caseof Elise paler. She was a 15
(28:44):
year old girl who was slain bythree of her her friends. The
three the three friends wereJoseph Fiorella, age 14, Jacob,
Dell Schmidt, and Royce KC, age16. They had a metal band called
(29:06):
hatred, and they're 16 and 14.
And they they are very much intoa band called Slayer. And Slayer
has. They have they have a lotof very, very violent songs.
Like I don't know where to put
Marissa (29:25):
it. People new people like to swim. Like what? Nothing
put in podcast that I've knownpeople who really loved Slayer.
Isn't that the one with thecrazy shirts and stuff and masks
or am I making
Matthew (29:39):
slipknot? But so Slayer has some very heavy imagery,
right? They have songs aboutsacrifice and necrophilia and
all this kind of, you know,these really intense intense
lyrics. And these three boyswere kind of trying to do like a
(30:00):
Tommy Johnson kind of a thing.
At The Crossroads. It's
Marissa (30:04):
the Oh yeah, yeah, the crossroads. Yep, the guitar
player
Matthew (30:07):
who met the devil at the crossroads, and then made a
deal with the devil in order tobecome a great musician, they're
kind of doing this kind ofthing. So they're thinking that
if they make a sacrifice to thedevil, that they will be able to
trade that for some musicalchops. So they have they meet up
(30:31):
with this girl to have them goto the go to school with her,
Jacob and Joseph. And the, thein Royse goes to another school
because he's like a at riskchild or something. So they but
the three of them are in theband together, they start
hanging out with her. She'slike, what she likes sneaks out
(30:51):
of the house and goes hangs outwith them and stuff like that.
So she's not like a perfectlittle girl or anything like
that. But they target herspecifically because they
believe her to be a highlydevout Christian and a virgin.
And she's like blond haired,blue eyed. She's just like, the
perfect satanic sacrifice, andthey're, so the two. So Jacob
and Joseph, they have anotherfriend that they plot with to
(31:16):
lure her to this ravine, andthey get her out there. And the
other friend, not not of thethree that I've named, he goes
into the ravine lures her downthere, they give him a hunting
knife, and tell him the stabber.
He freezes and doesn't do it.
She believes that it's just kindof a joke that they're just
(31:38):
messing with her and forgivesand forgets and then moves on.
Joseph, the 14 year old is theone who's like super into the
occult, he's into the AleisterCrowley's he's into Satanism,
and he he's reading all of theselike occult books and like,
he's, he's really buying intothis, like, let's let's raise
the devil kind of a thing. Andhe then teamed up for a second
(32:01):
attempt. And this time theybring Royce into it. And they
they lure her out again, shelies to her parents, so she's
gonna go to bed, she ends upsneaking out, they meet up in a
secluded area, while they'resitting there smoking weed and
looking at the stars andbullshitting and, you know,
doing whatever teens do. One ofthem throws a belt around her
(32:24):
neck, and pulls her pulls her tothe ground pins are there and
another one gets on top of herhold your arms down. And the
third then begins to stab herwith with a hunting knife man,
the coroner would later say ofthe 15 blows that were struck on
her. None of them are fatal,meaning she died from blood
(32:45):
loss. So she just had to sitthere and the pain of of this
again, like I said, it's it.
People don't die quite as easyas the movies will show. And
it's it's a kind of a horrificthing.
Marissa (32:58):
That's, that's really terrible.
Matthew (33:00):
To these three, they are all about this, they have a
high energy about this wholething. And they proceed to have
some necro philic no relationswith her. One of which I don't
know who it was, went back afterthey had finished and had made
return trips to her corpse tocontinue their relationship.
(33:25):
Well, they had pretty muchgotten away with it because no
one could find the body oranything like that. Shortly
thereafter, Royce Royce Casey heends up converting to
Christianity and he somewhat infear of the other two being that
he's going to be targeted bythem because there are again so
(33:49):
there they were ritualisticallykind of doing lines that can be
very much associated so likeSlayer, being that like there
were there are references tonecrophilia and how that like
dams the soul harder kind of athing. I don't know the actual
lyrics and pull those up forthis. But like there's the idea
(34:11):
of like human sacrifice and allthis stuff. And it can be a
there's definitely some throughlines in there. There wasn't
ever Slayer never showed up incourt to defend this or whatever
like that. But the ROI turns ofChristianity and there's a line
in the Slayer thing that saysonce you leave us or then
basically you're going todisappear. So he's kind of
(34:32):
working off of that kind ofsentiment thinking they're gonna
they're gonna target me healready had reason to believe
that they were already lookingfor a second victim anyways. So
he confesses to his Pastor.
Pastor says, well, we got to, wegot to do what's right. So Royce
comes forward, tells theauthorities, the three of them
(34:53):
all get arrested. They enter aplea bargain, which gives them
25 To law If and oddly enough,the Royce ended up coming up for
parole, and 2021 which was whichwas he got? He got paroled. But
(35:15):
then the governor said, Nope,no, yeah. You're not getting
out. So they overturned that.
Then Supreme Court said, No, heis getting out. So I believe, as
of 2022, he is actually out onparole, because they were like,
(35:36):
well, he helped, you know, heshowed good, you know, he shows
good behavior. And he was theone who turned them all in and
whatever he you know, he's theonly one with any kind of a
guilty conscience. But anyways,the Satanic Panic rolled on in
the music industry throughoutthat. And there's a lot of
stories that are associated tometal and murder and satanic
(35:59):
cult stuff. And I can'tobviously cover them all here,
just kind of giving you a coupleof couple of tasty, tasty bits.
But yeah, and I guess with that,we can move on to a McCobb
minute. Because we're good attransitions, smooth transitions,
Marissa (36:18):
transitions are fun.
This Macabrepedia is not astraditional as most, but that's
okay. They're short. I have toI'll give two since they're so
short. Okay. All right. So, youknow, the French Revolution? I
do. Yeah. I mean, we've talkedabout a little bit here and
there. Not in detail, though.
(36:38):
But, you know, just the Count ofMonte Cristo, you did watch. And
then we watched the movie.
Mighty that 2000?
Matthew (36:45):
Yeah. 2002. Yeah, we've watched the movie anyway. So
that's not about the revolution.
Marissa (36:51):
No, no. But anyway, we got the French Revolution.
Obviously, people lost theirheads. The guillotine was the
star of the French Revolution,basically. But one thing you may
not know is that people foughtor like begging and pleading to
be the first ones executed on aday. Oh, yeah. Because as time
(37:12):
went on, the doll, the the bladedulls, and then it takes, it's
not a clean cut at that point.
And it might just be way worsedeath. If you've got an adult
blade coming down on your neck.
You don't want that. So that'sthat's one McCobb fact.
Matthew (37:29):
Yeah, it also gets, you know, it gets sticky, as if it's
overused. Yeah. So and also,depending on weather, it might
not drop as quickly. Yeah, itmight just, there's really hard.
Yeah, there's people who havebeen able to turn and look back
up at the at the guillotine justbefore it falls again.
Marissa (37:46):
So yeah, so you want it to be one of the first ones.
Matthew (37:49):
If you're gonna be executed by guillotine, make
sure you're the first one,
Marissa (37:52):
make sure the blade is sharp. The other one is
completely unrelated. But that'sokay. So if you think about it,
if you watched a lot of likesitcoms in the 90s, and 2000s,
and all that, and you hear thelaugh track in the background,
that was recorded sometime inthe 1950s Most likely, which
means you're listening to deadpeople laughing. Yeah, that was
(38:13):
interesting. Yeah, that is,
Matthew (38:17):
I always say that that's funny when I do watch
shows that have like that arefrom like, the 30s or something
like that. And the older stuffand, and I'm like every person
that is that is that I'm seeingright now. All dead, everyone.
Oh, yeah. No, but not just likeyou think about it, like, Oh,
they're dead. You're like, no,these people are like, Yeah,
this is like, it's cool. I mean,that kind of thinking of that. I
(38:38):
mean, it's very McCobbobviously, but it's also kind of
a moment of reverence in a waylike remembrance, you know, it's
kind of the same thing as likevisiting somebody's grave. So in
a way, like if you're watchingan actor, and the
Marissa (38:50):
preserved their immortal on that.
Matthew (38:53):
And to understand and respect that is pretty, pretty
cool, I think personally. Butanyways, that will do it for
this episode of Macabrepedia.
And this is our 50th episode.
Marissa (39:07):
It is
Matthew (39:08):
Oh, 50. We did well, in the middle of a series where
they treat you with respect, weshould have 50
Marissa (39:16):
Man, we'll get it later.
Matthew (39:19):
We're thinking about doing like an HH Holmes or Jack
the Ripper. One of the big ones.
One of the big ones. Yeah. Imean, Satanic Panic is pretty
big, big one. That's
Marissa (39:29):
not our traditional more modern than most.
Matthew (39:31):
Yeah. Which, by the way, way easier to research.
Yeah, when the most true crimepodcast, I can watch the trial
take place and I can just takenotes. Yeah, watch it and then
just flip to another one andwatch another one. Like, it's
like, I can actually watch thetrial as opposed to like, having
to buy a pamphlet from 1840.
Like, you know, a bunch of weirdedits and poorly photocopied
(39:51):
kind of we did
Marissa (39:55):
not choose an easy topic now.
Matthew (39:57):
But anyways, thank you.
As always for listening, you canreach out to us on Twitter and
Facebook at Macabrepedia.
Marissa (40:06):
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