Season 4 Episode 8-Lessons In Swag

Sommer, Jamie and Schuyler talk about Season 18 Episode 7 of Married At Fist Sight with special guest Sam Schneider

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to Man and Finally Single. I'm Jamie Blatt, and.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm Summer Austin.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
I'm Skyler Fast and now Jones And this is a
meretivers I fan podcast where we invite a guest on
who's never watched an episode. Hey, hey, everybody, we're here
for another episode of Man Finally Single. We have a
guest that Skyler is going to introduce.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Yes, this is a dear good friend of mine, writer, producer, director.
He does it all, but to him, he's just a guy.
It's Sam Schneider.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
Hello, Hi, so happy to be here.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Thanks so much for doing this.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
No, thank you for having me. This is a this
is a joy exude, favorite thing to do on a
Sunday morning.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Oh yeah, and you don't even know the half of it.
Just wait, Sam, So, Sam, can you tell us a
little bit of out yourself, since Jamie and I don't
know you all that well.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
Yeah, absolutely so. I was originally born in Houston, Texas,
so from that part of the country. No accent though,
which is bizarre. I'm still figuring that out myself. But
I went to college up in Boston for a few
years and decided to just make them move out to
La to pursue some filmmaking opportunities a few years ago.

(01:25):
So now I'm like a native Angelino. I guess it's bizarre.
I don't know, this is hard.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
You've been here then in.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
La gosh, three and a half years now, just kind
of crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
It's like, when did you leave Houston?

Speaker 4 (01:37):
Oh, well, there's there's I guess a couple of answers
to that question, because I left for the first time
when I went to school back in twenty seventeen, and
then I moved back during the pandemic just because I
got evicted like everyone else.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
You know, p So I understand what's going on.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
You have rejected the Houston accents for whatever reason. Inter
only you were like, this is not for me. I
am not going to take on this accent. I just
want to sound like a regular guy.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
Yeah, I'm just a goot it that.

Speaker 5 (02:10):
That a regular guy that probably does not hate immigrants.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
No, no, I would. I would put myself pretty firmly
in that camp. Yeah yeah, yeah, not only a lot
of hatred going on here.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah you don't seem like it, No, no, do you
seem like a little young But because you're from Houston,
I have to ask you have you ever seen the
movie Reality Bites.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
I haven't, and it's crazy because that has been on
my list forever and I had tickets to go see
that movie at the beginning of the year and I
didn't go.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Oh you got to see it. It is so good.
And like I talked to a lot of like people
who are who who are your age? I'm assuming you're
like a younger than me. You just look like it,
and like they haven't seen a lot of some of
those movies like Reality Bites and Singles, but like Reality
Bites is a Houston movie. It's so good.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Oh my gosh, that's incredible.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
I actually, have you guys seen it? Jamie Skyler? Oh Skyler?

Speaker 3 (03:07):
No, I know, I know, I'm terrible.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Really good. It's really good. It was.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yeah, we watch it again.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
But it's also a great soundtrack as well.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
I need soundtrack yeah, mm hmmm, brought to you by
Reality Bites.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Oh yeah, I need to rewatch it again. And so okay,
So Sam, now do you are you a fan of
reality TV? Like do you watch it?

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Like?

Speaker 2 (03:33):
What's the deal?

Speaker 1 (03:34):
You know?

Speaker 4 (03:35):
I've dipped my toes into the reality TV pool every
so often. It's more like I enter the room and
someone's already watching it type of thing. You know, sit down,
get a little bit of information for kicks, a little exposure.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Okay, since you're a producer, are you like constantly looking
at like like trying to figure out how it's being
made or like Skott Sky's always picking out all the mistakestity.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
Yeah. I mean, like I come primarily, like from a
scripted background, and so nonscripted is so far outside of
my wheelhouse. It's so fascinating because I feel like they're
always on the go and they have to kind of
go out of their way to hide all of the
production aspects of the show because it's real, it's just people,
but it's like so more manufactured. I guess as a

(04:21):
result of it, you have to be that much more
meticulous about it. I think it's so fascinating. It's really
really interesting.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Oh good, Okay.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
All yeah, yeah that was a very very interesting insight. Yeah, yeah,
I love it.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
I just love producers on the show, so.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, I know it is fun.

Speaker 5 (04:41):
Okay, so are we going to jump in? Okay, first
of all, let me say this. I had to watch
this twice. The first time I watched it. I don't
know what happened because I was watching it and then
all of a sudden it was over, and I was like,
that was kind of short.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Okay, no, no, no, I did not fall asleep. No, no, no, no.
And so this.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
Morning I got up and go, you know what, since
I'm getting up a little bit earlier, I'm gonna watch
it again. And there was it was so much longer
and there was so much stuff. I was like, this
was not in like all of the The only thing
that I saw the first time I watched this was
every interview they had with the experts and that was it.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
And I was like, well, that's kind of this kind
of a.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
Boring they're just talking to the there's nothing else happening,
you know.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
And then I watched it again and I was like,
wait a minute. They did all this other stuff that
was not in it the first time I watched.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
It, exciting stuff. The first time. I'm happy you rewatch
oh me too?

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Was there a glitch in the streaming or what.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
There had to have been? It was it's the weirdest thing.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
It was the weirdest, like they wouldn't be like teasing
David's basement. And then not include David's basement, Like it
was totally like in the title of the film of
the film, and that's.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
What I was. I was weird.

Speaker 5 (05:55):
I was like, wait a second, I was like, we
didn't go see the I was like, well maybe that.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
I just I was confused. But I'm glad. Yes, I'm glad.
I watched it over again.

Speaker 5 (06:03):
So it so I'm going to do it in the
order that they visited the the couples. Okay, okay, so
we'll do it that way. So we're gonna start with
David and Michelle.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Casual kickoff.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
So that was pretty insane, like off the bat, I'm
not even gonna fry.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
This is.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
I you know, one of the things that I love
about the few moments here and there that I experienced
reality TV is you really get insight into just some
of the other folks out there. I feel like where
we live in Los Angeles, it's a little bit of
a bubble, you know, and getting getting some insight into
the into these other people and what their lives are

(06:45):
like is really it's interesting. I felt so bad, I
guess just watching this and watching this couple together. I
don't really know us to put it because well, you know,
first of or most these uh, these I guess they're therapists,
marriage counselors, the people that kind of, you know, lead

(07:06):
the conversation, lead the group. Uh, they're a pair, They're interesting,
they're interesting people. Which is this pastor cal He's he's
quite the character. And I mean, I don't know to
start with David and Michelle right off the bat, knowing
that there's like already some immediate tension, you know, no
context going into this. I'm just thrust into the middle

(07:28):
of their first eleven days of marriage, getting caught up
to speed. In the middle of one conversation, I learned
everything I need to know about what's going on there. Yeah,
you know, not to not to to sound judgmental. I
don't know if it's headed in the right direction. I'm
gonna be honest. I think I think there's a little

(07:48):
bit of a little bit of a miscue there, you know.
I think I think David he comes off as a
relatively warm presence, which is interesting because I think Michelle
is quite guarded, maybe a little bit prickly, but you know,
giving some some context for that, I think maybe with
good reason, David really loves his basement, or rather his

(08:11):
parents' basement, and you know, all on our own times,
you know, we all get there at some point in time.
But I think I think Michelle's not with that at all,
and I think she was trying to make it very
clear that she's not with that. And I think Pastor
cal you know, with his indefinite insight, tried to bridge
the gap there, and I think Michelle was not having it.

(08:32):
Kind Of I kind of felt bad because I think
he kept trying to get her to to say, but
you know this, and consider this and consider this now.
I think she was full stop not with it. I
think she knows exactly what she wants out of this relationship,
and I think she's not getting it, and I don't
think that there's going to be a situation where she
does be.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, it's well said, Sam, Yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
I love that. They were like, it sounds like you're
already giving up. Are you already giving up on this marriage?
I'm like, yeah, because y'all set her up for fucking failure.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, she's gonna get a divorce.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
This isn't like they are not matching people, because they
really want to see them these in successful marriages, because
because because Jamie was the same way when she met Doug, Like,
she wasn't this, she wasn't cold like this.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
But she definitely did not like Doug. She was not
into him at all.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Breakdown on the altar.

Speaker 5 (09:36):
She did she did this is this was the very
first episode of married first in.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
The very first season, is what I'm talking about. They're
still together.

Speaker 5 (09:44):
They have four kids, so they've been together like like
ten years.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Now or something like.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
I think it's yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
So you know Michelle and David, is what you're saying.

Speaker 5 (09:55):
No, I'm not saying that because I don't I don't
believe that they that that it. It is the same
situation because she she is death. No, she's never going
to They did set her up, they I mean because
you saw the you saw the the the clip when
they were talking to her about now, what would you think,
you know, if somebody was living in their basement.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
They knew they were going to match those two, Yes,
and they did.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
That's what they do. They go back when they think
they're going to match them and they try to clear
up anything that you know, might be something that's you know,
just so that they know probably also legally right, like
it's been said right that they.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Was doctor p knew.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
And she backed, you know, she totally said it would
be okay. I mean, you know, so they can.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
She didn't mean that.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
The way that they said it too. I was like
they fully because they were like, well, you know, if
he was living at home for financial reasons, and she
even she said yes, but it was very hesitant exactly.
And also, as we know from David's monologue which finally
made a comeback, I was I jinxed myself. I was like, wow,

(11:11):
he hasn't said this monologue about why he lives at
home in his parents' basement still, and then this episode
like you know, I could leave any moment. I was like,
oh my god, here we go again. As we know,
he is there for financial reasons because he could leave
it anytime.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
So you know, yeah, I think David's basement is kind
of a mindset. You know, he's he's trapped. He's trapped
in his mental prison. That's also David's basement. Anything that
works works, you know. I mean in his mental prison,
he does practice narts for two to three hours a day, which.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Is three hours a day.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
I wish I had that time. I really don't. But
you know.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Oh my god, time. Oh that was a nightmare. I
was like I would have and been like, I'm done.
I don't care. Sue me for breaking a contract. I
don't care. I'm needing out of this show now. A

(12:11):
site in her.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Home for a dartboard and a car curator.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
You know marriage is about compromise. We all have to
get there, right, you know that's right.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
So poor Michelle. Basically, but I had some spoilers because
I'm on Reddit, as I'm sure many of you are too,
but I get alerts for all of the posts that
go up and then married at first sight, so Breddit,
and people were posting like David lives in Shrek's lair
and shit like that. So I totally knew what was

(12:47):
happening before it even happened. But I think we all
kind of knew what was happening before it happened.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
Oh yeah, I will say this. Yeah, did anybody else
clock it? Because I clocked it. Michelle clocked it. She
was like, so your parents also use this laundry room
and he's like yeah. I was like, wait a minute,
because four episodes ago you said that your parents had
a separate laundry room upstairs because I called that out
on the episode. I said, who has two laundry rooms?

(13:13):
And you in summer Jamie. You both were like, well,
it's Chicago. That's common. I'm just gonna say.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
I it was common to have a bit an apartment
in the basement, like a separate apartment under your house
with a kitchen. But that is not what I meant,
like when I saw, that's not what I meant. Usually
the laundry. Yeah, like for the apartments that i've they've

(13:40):
usually been airbnbs and the like. There is just one laundry,
so like they'll go down and use it discreetly and
you know when the person isn't home. But yeah, like,
but I've seen full, full on apartments down there because
the basements are huge. But that is not this is
not that, this is not I don't think you could
rent what he's No, you could not on airbnb. Probably

(14:02):
there's no living it'd be pretty bad. Yeah, I mean
people do. I've definitely read some Airbnb is similar, but yikes,
I know.

Speaker 5 (14:14):
Michelle also did not like the fact that David was
calling her apartment.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
It's simple.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
He said, they were the same, that's same.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Except that he didn't have a living room. But other
than that, they're the same.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
They're just basic. Both of them are basic. And oh,
poor Michelle, my god.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
She's doing onto that that car ride to his place.
You live a simple life. I wouldn't call it.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
No, I wouldn't either. Her apartment is darn cute. But
I think he might have meant because he doesn't speak well. Right,
he used the word and this may be a word,
but please coldn't sam seems like a bright guy? Is
the word conversate a word? I don't think it is.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
You know, I really held on to conversate because I
have not used that word. Maybe I need to, you know,
expand my vocabulary because that seems kind of useful. I
like to conversate. That's what we're doing right now.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Legitimate it.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
I don't think it's a legitimate.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 5 (15:18):
I actually think it's one of those words that eventually
did become part of the lexicon because it was it's
used heavily in the American community.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
And okay, okay, because I thought the same thing summer,
because I know that we've talked about how like he
just kind of makes up terms. Yeah, okay, I was like,
I was just one of them, and I googled it
convers it is a word.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Okay, So then so then here's my then if that's
a word, then what I think he was using. I
think I'm going to defend him for a second. On
the simple thing. There is a magazine called Real Simple Magazine. Okay,
have you seen it? No, It's very popular amongst white women,
especially white women, and it's real Simple and everything in

(16:09):
it is about keeping a home that looks like basic,
you know what I mean, like like fucking like the
like Mason jars like this okay, and like cute little
succulents and like and the homes are all really meticulously immpused.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Buddhas Buddhas Buddhas.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Like my Buddha here. Yeah it looked David as a
Buddha too, so but yeah, but but so simple. I
think that's how he was meaning it, then, do you.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Like he uses words that are like not maybe words
that everybody fully uses all the time, but there's still
there's still like a way you know, he's still making
a point in his own way, right and like yeah,
so anyway, I think that's what he meant it as

(16:57):
but she took.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
It as the wrong Oh definitely.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
I think yeah, I thought that he was meaning like
cozy or quaint, but like, yes, he doesn't know those words.
So he's like, yeah, it's simple, but in no.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Way, shape or form does her apartment resemble his at all.

Speaker 5 (17:17):
No, maybe he meant simple because there wasn't a gigantic
wooden head in her anywhere in her.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
But I do have to say something too. I pastor callen.
Doctor Pierre was very interesting when she was trying to
like talk Michelle down during that session. But I think
part of this, look, I don't know if Michelle, Yeah,
she's being embarrassed in national television, so that is part
of it. But like, I think Michelle truly has a

(17:50):
severe anxiety disorder. Like I was like, could you not
tell that she has It's very hard for her to
calm down. And I was like, she, I don't know
if she disclosed her anxiety disorder, but as somebody who
has one, I recognize it one thousand percent. I'm like,
she's a she's in the middle of a like a

(18:12):
panic disorder right now, Like somebody helped this poor girl
give her You know.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
That I know, well, and I think something too that's
like so interesting is because like these these two people
were put together right, they were essentially match made.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Right.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
The way in which both of them deal with like
the intimidation of being on reality TV is so like contrasting.
It's so opposite. But I think it's so interesting because
I think David tries to maintain like this sense of
like even keeled, level headed cool, and Michelle, just like
at her baseline, is the exact opposite. And so I
think David to try and bridge that gap. We'll put

(18:47):
in these words there and try to say things you
know that he means nice, buy, you know, and try
to maintain a sense of chillness throughout it, and Michelle,
like at her very core, cannot do that. It's not possible,
you know, which I think is so sad because I mean,
at least just watching that, because it seems that like
David's like, yeah, I'm all about trying to bridge the

(19:08):
gap and make what works for us work, you know,
We're just trying to build this thing together, and Michelle's
not about it. And Pastor cow is like, well, Michelle,
why haven't you considered this? She's like, no, I'm considering
it every day and I just don't like it.

Speaker 5 (19:22):
Yeah, yeah, all right, I would love to continue to
dissect David Michelle, but we do have four other couples
that we need to talk to. Okay, So anything anything
else though pertinent that or very you know you're dying
to say about David Michelle. No, nope, Okay for David's basement, Okay,

(19:45):
all right, let's let's move to Camille and Thomas.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
Okay, Well, Camille and Thomas, I mean, I think they're interesting, Okay,
because the first thing that I clocked about the two
of them, and not that this necessarily means anything, but
there's like a ten year age gap, right, quite a
generational divide, I would assume, and I think it's kind

(20:11):
of evident in the way in which they interact with
each other. Like Thomas seems like I could not take
my eyes away from his space sessions when the two
of them were talking in their kind of counseling session.
He looks so dreadfully uncomfortable, and I think, not to
psychoanalyze the man, but maybe there's a piece of him
trying to overcompensate for the fact that he is a

(20:32):
decade older than this woman and he's trying to figure
out how to connect with her. But they're like from
completely separate worlds, you know, And I think it's all
about trying to find this degree of stability between the
two of them. But I don't even think he knows
what that meets at this point, right.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah. Also, I think he just always looks uncomfortable. I
think that also just might be his face, Like seems
like he's always uncomfy in every situation.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Yeah, which does make me wonder. And granted I come
in here without a lot of the context, like what
is what's the drive here? You know, to get on
nrried at first site, like what is I mean? Because
I look at someone like Thomas, right, and he's forty two,
you know, in the culture that we've built for ourselves,
being single at forty two is kind of frowned upon

(21:22):
by a lot of people. And I'm not passing judgment
either way. Everyone on their own time, You follow your
own blist, you do what feels good for you. But
in the same vein, I feel like maybe there is
quite a bit of urgency probably coming from his angle,
and I think urgency maybe turns into desperation a little bit,
and I think it's a little I don't know, it's
a little sad to see.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
You know, that's why he's got no swag.

Speaker 4 (21:47):
That's why he's got no swag. He's a little swagless.

Speaker 5 (21:50):
Yeah, yeah, because I mean even I listen, I went
to a high school.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
There were five.

Speaker 5 (21:55):
Black people in my high school. Five count them, five
black people my high school. So, uh, you know, I
was told that I have swag. I don't know if
it's true, but the woman was very beautiful who told me.
So I'm like, okay, I believe you.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
You doo.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, so you think it's not He shouldn't be blaming
it on like his upbringing is what you're saying, because.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, because he's still black.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Is swag a mindset?

Speaker 1 (22:28):
It is?

Speaker 5 (22:30):
Oh I think it is. Yeah, don't go by me though,
you know, I'm not like other guys.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
So exactly it is swag. But when she says he
needs smoothness and swag, what exactly does she mean he needs.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
To be more black?

Speaker 5 (22:48):
She needs somebody that's got that's a little more black,
a little more urban an.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Okay, so anyone who's not black, can they have swag?
Oh yeah, Okay, that just means that.

Speaker 5 (22:59):
So if and it's not cultural appropriation because swag is
for everyone.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Okay, So if a white guy needs more swag, a
white guy needs to be more black.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
No, I'm saying. You asked me about Thomas Camille, So
Thomas Thomas needs to be more black, not white people.
You didn't white people need to be more black.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Well, you said swag is for everyone.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Well, swag is for everyone within you know what it
means to be white and have swag and what it
means to be black and have swags like wan Wan
Wan does not have swag, not in the Hispanic community,
not in the black community. Maybe in the white community,

(23:46):
but he does not have swag. Okay, but Carla likes him.
So we're not there yet.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Because their own swag is what you're saying.

Speaker 5 (23:55):
Yes, that is what I'm saying, and he doesn't have
any of it. He needs to be more black, yes,
because you've heard her say, you know, we grew up
very different.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
I had. I went to a high school that was very,
very diverse, and she was around a lot of black people.
He was not.

Speaker 5 (24:09):
But I'm saying, in my defense, I was not either.
Why doesn't she say that, Oh, yeah, it would. Yes,
it's it's a little offense. I mean, she can say
it because she's black, but you can't say it to
an audience of conservative white people. Are the people who
watch Lifetime, which is why they can't him to gay
couples on there, and it pisses me off.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Got it? Okay?

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Sorry, sorry, I just had to.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Get No, it makes sense, it makes a lot.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
I'm sorry to lose control in front of our guests.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
He doesn't know me, but consulting isn't insulting to Thomas.
For her to say that because he is black.

Speaker 5 (24:48):
It is, and it would be insulting. But I think
it depends on how she's saying it. She's I completely
understand what she said because I still don't know why
my wife marry me. Definitely grew up in Chicago. I
grew up around cows and racism, so you know, we

(25:09):
grew up very differently. But for whatever reason, I have sweat.
I'm kidding, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
I'm not like bag lessons, swag lessons with Jamie Black, Thomas,
get your first coach.

Speaker 5 (25:25):
You know, I was going to give lessons about how
to be romantic to men because that I have a
good handle on.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
I think I might do that.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
Still a romance and swag intertwined like they can be romantic.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Kind of Yeah, I think you do.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
And that's lesson number one.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Some women just want to be swept off their feet
and my thug, Yeah, Thomas.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Is not.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
It.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
She wants somebody in that life.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Maybe he needs to get a neck tattoo and then
he needs a gold chain. He needs a gold chain.

Speaker 6 (26:07):
Oh, he could borrow it from Alan maybe Alang.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Alan. Yeah, Alan has swag.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
He does kind of.

Speaker 5 (26:25):
Alan has swag. It's it's it's but it's his own
special brain. I'm telling you he's it's it's the confidence
in who you are. That is what swag is. So
maybe Wan does have some swags.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
It's like the religion of swag or like that. It's
like kind of a Yeah.

Speaker 5 (26:43):
He could be a nerd and be confident and have swag.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
I mean, look at Revenge of the Nerd. You saw
that movie. All of them had swag.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
I did I don't think Probably Sky and Sam I've
seen it.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Oh you two have never seen.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
It's that's an that's a deep cut.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
It's the eighties. That's from the eighties.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah, they look but the look on their face.

Speaker 5 (27:07):
Says it's a fantastic But yeah, I haven't seen it.
It is a fantastic movie. My friends Zacharias wrote.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
It, Well, it's probably offensive as fuck.

Speaker 5 (27:18):
It's why because why because they're nerds. We don't call
them nerds anymore.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
We can't call them.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
No, no, there's a lot in those eighties movies. There's
so many things that are offensive.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Okay, yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
It's excellent adventure. I was into it, and then there
was one moment where I was like what and then
laughed about it.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yeah, it's there's there's sure to be many of them.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
The message is good, is what I'm saying is that.

Speaker 5 (27:44):
And they get the women, they get all of the
women or men because there was one gay one, so
you know that's diverse.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
That's cool.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
Sag has no boundaries, you know that, no bal.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
Ray, you can be by swags for all.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Wow, this is such.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
An interesting for all.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Who knew that Camilla and Thomas that I had no
notes about because they're so boring, which.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Right, I mean.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
The only other thing I had is she said she
feels like she's in an interracial relationship because he ain't black.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
You know, what maybe maybe he should get a little
bit mad about it and that might be a little
bit of just the swag she needs.

Speaker 5 (28:28):
Yeah, but he'll have to move his his neck back
and forth when he does it too, so he can move.
He got some black in him.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
We have like hope for Thomas. I mean, like, do
we feel that some of this is just you know,
first week and a half jitters he's always on camera
or is it is he just kind of devoid of
all of that. What is the assessment here?

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Well?

Speaker 2 (28:51):
I saw him on after party and he didn't have
any real swag there, and you know that's after the
whole series is over. So maybe a little bit more
like he's sticking up for himself a little bit more
in those after parties, because he did say, like, look,
you know, saying that I need to be more black
is offensive to me because he's like, when I'm present,

(29:15):
when people see me in the world, they see a
black man, and you know, he's yeah like that.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, No, that's a great point.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
He probably could push back a little bit on with
her on all of this. I mean I know that
you know, you understand what she means, Jamie, but I
feel like if he'd stood up for himself, just even
a little bit, then he might have a little bit
more swag. It's kind of a conundrum, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (29:41):
Yeah, you know what, But I honestly think saying what
you just said that he said because I don't get
to watch After Party. I don't know why it was
on that one episode and it hasn't been on since.
But yeah, when he steps out into the world, he
is absolutely seen as a black man and treated as
a black man.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
So leave them.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Alone exactly, thank you leave the man alone?

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah, no, I think she should leave him alone.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yeah, yeah, Okay.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Do you have anything else about Camille and Thomas.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Yes, yes, well it was brought up during their segment,
but it's not about them, and it's my favorite woman
of the show. Dr Pepper. I said, this bitch needs
to retire because she's like, oh, if if you want
her and her five inch sheels, she'll wear them even

(30:36):
if it kills her feet because you find it sexy
and she'll do it for you. I don't know, it
just it bothered me so much because I just feel
like that this woman's out of touch. She needs to retire,
and it just made me so irritated because she's like,
I don't know, I just feel like that all the
advice that these experts give is absolutely terrible and they
all suck and we need new experts. And I said

(30:57):
what I.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Said, Doctor Peppers seven Wow.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
And she doesn't look at Day over ninety two. I'm
just kidding. I love Doctor Pepper, I.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Love nine year old. She is very with it, though,
I will say, I mean.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
True, yeah, I mean yeah.

Speaker 5 (31:16):
Listen, she wants all the details that's going on in
the bedroom.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
My dad is seventy four, and I would not put
him on the show as an expert.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Oh, I want your father on this expert so bad.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
I want Ron Party Austin to get on and talk
about what it's like to have a marriage that lasts
for fifty years.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Hear me out, Ron Party, Austin bride fast and now
you host for season nineteen. My dad would be like, oh,
you guys are gonna fail.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
That's actually such a good idea.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Oh my goodness, that would.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Guys is the experts? Oh good, Yes, it's like Rumpy
Old Man, which I'm sure you guys haven't seen either,
another movie from the eighties nineties. I mean I've seen
I know you've seen it, Jamie. Now we're just bridging.
I'm just trying to bridge the you know, the divide

(32:16):
here and give these guys some great movies to watch.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Yeah. No, no, you are are throwing out really good ones.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
But I'm not as old as doctor Pepper.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
So neither of mine quite. Oh I'm much closer to Pepper.
I'm not not that far.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
You can barely.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Okay, anything else back to me on top Pastor.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Cow's pretty with it? Don't you think he's pretty?

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Cow was with it. He would be pushing for a
gay couple to be on here.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
No, that's true, that is true.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah. I like doctor Pia though. I think she's cool.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
She can say she's great. She finds people sex toys
when she goes through their house. She's great, doctor pay
the other two.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yeah, and her face does not lie like she just
sits there and her face shows everything, like you can
see everything. She's thinking.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
It is time for some new blood for real.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah, Skyler Fast Now Jones.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Wout marriage advice for me. I'd be like this is terrible.
I'd be like, yeah, girl, you should give up. He
fucking lives in his basement. Yeah, yeah, get therapy because
you're gonna need it. And they'd be like, you can't
say that, and they'd be like to work out.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Oh my god, good.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
Well, I'm sorry, grass as usual.

Speaker 5 (33:47):
Okay, all right, anything else about Camille and Thomas. Okay,
let's move on Madison and Alan.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
So honestly, I think Alan seems kind of with it.
He's a little he's a little bizarre. It's rich. He
likes his chains, he likes his hats. Whoa, those hats
are interesting. But the man remodeled his kitchen and I
was like, that's that's major points. That's major points for
Alan right there. Yeah, yeah, I think Madison knows what
to do with any of that. And then he made

(34:15):
his chicken dish, and I mean, you know, I was
all over it. Shit, I would have liked some of
that too, but she was talking about like I can't,
I can't make anything like this. I gotta up my
game a little bit. And I'm like, oh, okay. So
maybe there's a level of like trying to beat someone
in the middle here, because Alan is like even keeled,
he's chill, he's nice, he seems successful, he has it together.

(34:36):
I don't think Madison has any idea what she's doing.
I'm gonna be completely honest. I think she feels intimidated
at every step of the way, and I don't think
she knows where to go or how to interact with
this guy. And I think she's looking for a lifeline
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah, it's too busy working out to take yourself anything.
But he also repairs cars.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Two he does it at all.

Speaker 5 (34:59):
Oh, now I have to talk about Alan and him
calling his car a hooptee.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, I've never heard.

Speaker 5 (35:06):
Okay, okay, well again, African American community a hoop That
is definitely Listen a white guy calling his.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Fancy ass sports car a hooptie. Yes, that's not cultural appropriation.
That is not a hooptie. It's not It is not
a hoopie.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
A little bit too, because did he say hoopedi is like,
oh yeah, it's like a ship box. And then he
pulls up to the curder. But he's driving like a
two door Jag or something like that. I mean the
rubber chicken maybe some hooptee energy. I was a little confused.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
I was confused by the rubber chicken because he's like,
I'm repairing it for my niece. And I was like,
I got such valid, but why is it blue and sparkley. Also,
it's a I feel like you can go get it.
I don't know. I had a lot of questions about that.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
You know, maybe because maybe he's using the word hooped
because he grew up like in Chicago. It also could
just be a Chicago word.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
It is not a Chicago word. It is a word
that is used to like you said, like a ship
piece of a piece of ship. That's you're a hoop dee.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
I don't know where he got that from.

Speaker 5 (36:28):
Then well, well, now Alan does hang around a lot
of people of color, people of the global majority.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yes, but he also drives a rich white guy car.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Also, he looks like he's south Side.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Maybe he's probably South Loop.

Speaker 5 (36:47):
I know I know that MM lives in the south Loop,
but I think does too. I think they both in
the south And I think I know where MM lives
in the south Loop.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Well not like.

Speaker 5 (37:01):
Her address, like not let her apartment number, but she's
one of the because the one of the views out
the window was of the Read the Read apartment complex,
which is in the South Loop along the South River.
Well actually it's on the Reed is on Polk Street,
and and so I'm like, oh, so she's in one

(37:22):
of the ones around there.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
I thought somebody was at the door. Oh yeah, no,
I thought I thought I heard somebody knocks and m.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Are at your door.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
They're gonna, you know, don't say where we live.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Oh well, I mean I don't. I mean yeah, I'm
not like going to give the address, but I do
know that the read is on Polk. There's a bunch
of apartment buildings around that. So a bunch of high
rises in that area, in the South Loop, by Printer's Road.
She's by Printer's Rod.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Okay, yeah, it's cute. Yeah, we're not on them yet.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
We're a mass and Alan still, Oh that's right, we are.
How did we get to talking about them? How did
I jump to that?

Speaker 2 (38:10):
No?

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Oh that's my south Side. Sorry, sorry, sorry, it's my fault.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
It's just the Chicago passion, you know. Yeah, you could.
You could guide a tour for this season of the
show through Chicago. I'm sure people would love every apartment.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
I'll start another podcast, right.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah, but I I agree with you, Sam, though, to
go all the way back to this, I think Allen
is pretty cool. I mean, he's funny, he can do
all these things. You know, he's tall. He his apartment
was cute. You know, I'm not sure why he had
a baby gate in his oh because of his dog,
because the dog is really.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
I feel like she's way too harsh on him, because
I didn't really come out too much in this episode
as compared to last like past episodes. But like in
the past, she's like she's openly been like I'm too
good to like walk down the street with you. You
don't have any style or swag, And I'm like, the

(39:11):
man can cook, he has a dog, he can repair
cars and everything else, model a kitchen, his he looks
great in his little pink broccoli underwear, like great, wonderful.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
I mean, even as Goofy is like the whole rubber
chicken thing is he was talking about how he was
like preparing it for his niece, right, I mean, that's
that's a family man right there. It's warmth.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
You know, he's also funny. You know, he's good in
social situations. I mean, come on, what else what's not
to like about this guy? All Right?

Speaker 4 (39:47):
I don't know, well so, and that's how I feel like,
maybe like I don't know Madison like sees all of this,
and she is so perhaps perturbed about her own situation
and not really understanding maybe some of the own things
that she has going on. In turn, I mean, she
gems I guess that's cool, but I don't really know
beyond that. And so maybe she's looking at all of
these things that Alan has going on and she's redirecting,

(40:08):
you projecting just a little bit.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Maybe well, yeah, it was cool to see him in
his element a bit.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
Yeah, Well it could be, yeah, it could be like
she wishes she could be like that, because I mean,
he's he you know. Yeah, I like Alan a lot,
I really do.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah, I just I feel like I feel I feel
like she should hold out for his large nose.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
I still have the theory you leave his nose alone, also.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
A large nose.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
I'm just saying men who have large noses.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Oh I thought it was hands and feet, but he
probably has those.

Speaker 5 (40:53):
Two noses as well all of the above.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Anyway, I still have the that they accidentally mixed up
Madison and Michelle, and Madison was supposed to be with
David and Michelle was supposed to be with Alan, and
they were like, oh fuck, we messed up the blonde
white women. Sure, and then they're like, do you know what,
Let's make some drama and just keep it this way.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Yep. Like a PA was like, oh, oh, I don't Oh,
I'm sorry, and they're like, no, no, keep it.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
They're like, ooh, promote this, make make her a producer. Yeah,
because they truly are. They look alike. Like there are
times wherebably like making dinner, I look back, I'm like,
what Michelle doing with Alan?

Speaker 2 (41:43):
I'm like, oops, Yeah, that would be such a better pairing,
I think, Although I don't know. I still think Madison
would be judgmental about.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
David probably, but something tells me she'd get over it.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Quicker because she likes the fact that he's a gym rat.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
You know what, David, you don't need a living room.
You're right, Let's just go straight to your bedroom.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
That's right. It goes be like, let's go to the gym. Now,
let's go home in order to take out. Now, let's
go fuck. I can't repair anything, neither can I. I
can't even cook neither can I. Let's play darts in
three hours?

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Oh man?

Speaker 5 (42:40):
Okay, anything else about Madison and Allen unless you want
to talk about the dog humping the pillow.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
That was That was the wildest cut. Honestly, I had
to run that back. I don't know why they cut
to that. You know, he's having a good time.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
I guess.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
Talked about the red rocket earlier. They needed to bring
that back around.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Oh my god, I would like the red rocket. Oh
there's his red rocket.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Really need to say that on national television?

Speaker 3 (43:10):
I mean, we could have cut that for a time, right, we.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Really could have.

Speaker 5 (43:16):
I mean the fact that they show a dog humming
a pillow and they can't put a gay couple.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
I'm just like, are.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
We embarrassing that poor dog on national TV?

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Yeah? What's this country coming to when you can watch
a dog fuck a pillow but you can't have men
holding hands?

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Oh man, Okay, all right, we're moving on right, Yeah, okay,
so we're going to M M and E.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
You know, To be completely honest, I actually feelt like
these two might. I think they could. I think they
could work it out in the In the limited time
that I saw the both of them, they both seem
like really chill, even killed people, And I think they
both seem ready to compromise at any moments. Notice, I
think poor like he he really feels tough about his situation.

(44:10):
He must have used the word meager like four or
five times. He has like a whole studio in his
living room. I think that's kind of cool, you know,
But I think there's you know, h m m. She's successful,
you know, she's she's got four TVs in her house.
She's got a guest bedroom in her apartment. Machine karaoke
machine a nice one too.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
These are mood lighting for the karaoke machine.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
But I'm not mad, you know, but I appreciate like
she give herself out there, you know.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I don't think it's gonna work. And
I'm gonna say this because he is he once he
saw her apartment, it was all over.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Oh you think, I think so.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
I think it threatened his is. She says that this
happens with men all the time. They come over to
her house, they see the way that she lives, and
then they're threatened and then they bolt. And I think
stand pointed up that she is saying that he was
saying like meager and like all that he was, so
he fell right into that as opposed to being like

(45:21):
And also she didn't like it either. You know what
I mean, she knew what was happening. It's like, Okay,
this is a woman who has made such a life
for herself. Why can't we celebrate that instead of kind
of low key insult her or kind of insult her
by insulting himself about you know what I mean, it's
just make.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Her feel like she felt bad about herself.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
I mean, this woman, look at what she has overcome to. Like,
I mean, not many single women live in the way
that she lives, Okay, I mean it's sort of like,
you know, Michelle being upset by the word simple. But
you know, like these women are provided for themselves. They've
like worked really hard to have that kind of life

(46:08):
and then for a man to come in and be like, wow,
look at you, miss fancy pants over here. Like it's
just I think I think it should be celebrated as
opposed to like kind of I don't know, insulted in
a way.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
You know, but it's like an insecure thing where they're like,
I'm supposed to bring home the bacon and you cook
me dinner, and so therefore you shouldn't have a five
bedroom house because I it's just sad. Yeah, oh absolutely so.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Gender normative, like get over yourself, right, Like.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
But as we've seen, the show does not always like
to be progressive, right.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
I know, it's just wild. I kind of thought Akchi
would be better than that, Like, I thought he would
not be that way, and then he fell into it,
and I was like, that's that's kind of too bad.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
Yeah, I feel sorry, go ahead whatever.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
No, I was just gonna say, I don't think he's
going to get over it, much like Michelle can't get
over David living in the basement. It's like I have
a feeling that's going to stay with him, and he's
it's going to stick with him.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
And I also just think that he's not actually here
to be married. I think he's just here to promote
his singers or whatever whatever end the game that he
had going on that changes every episode.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Whatever he does, I do not know. It's like, are
you a high school counselor are you a producer?

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Are you he's a bass player?

Speaker 2 (47:40):
He's a bass player.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
He's a bass playing drummer.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Used to be. Yeah. Yeah, just seems like he gets
butt hurt by a lot of things. And that's also
not really attractive.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
Yeah, it's not.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
But he would be like, oh, well, you know, I
was a drummer and then you know, I broke my
wrists and then nobody wanted me to drum again, Like
oh my god, all right, let's let's have another sob
story out of you. KG. All right.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
I'm also not like a musician at all, so any
musicians out there can correct me. But I feel like
it's not like a sports injury where it's like, oh,
I fucked up my shoulder badly during football practice, so
I was taken out of the NFL and could never
play again and had to retire early. I feel like,
if you get injured, you can still once you heal,

(48:34):
play a drum again.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Yeah, I'm a drum player. It's not like, yeah, his
circum he feels. He feels to me like he makes.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
It, gave up and.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Yeah yeah, And I'll tell you why. Because Rick Allen,
the drummer for def Leppard, lost an arm, that's right,
and still came back.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
And Leopard only has one arm.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
He only has one arm, has one.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Arm, I mean, And that swag.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Casey's apartment is not meager. Did you see the view?
He's in a high rise apartment in his parents' basement
where they come down to do the laundry.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
That's me so please, that's being financially responsible, don't agree?

Speaker 4 (49:29):
Would Yeah? And for him, it's probably to some degree
like a defense mechanism, you know. I mean, he's already
cutting himself down, so he doesn't give anyone else the
opportunity to do that because I think he just doesn't
feel good about himself, you know.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Yeah, I think he's going to turn it towards her though.
I just feel like that's coming. I did see a
little bit of the preview for the next one, but
I just think that he I don't think he appreciates
the kind of amazing woman he's got there. I would
just be like, this is amazing baby, Oh my gosh,
how did you like? This is your such a queen

(50:03):
like way to go like she is? And he was
not saying those words to her.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
M No one.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
All right, Well, I guess we say.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Once again, bringing it back to Dr Pepper, I just
got any time that pastor cal or any of them visit,
I just have learned that I get annoyed because with
this one, I was just so irritated, first off by
the fact that they were like, are you too even intimate,
and they were both like yeah, and like, well we

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do get notes sent back to us and we heard
you guys haven't been touching and they were like, well
we fucking do. And then I was like, okay, so
you guys are stupid. But then when they were like, well,
you know, Catchy, you go to bed early, and like
you need to compromise and like stay up late for her,

(51:00):
I was like, sure, pastor cal if you guys go
to bed at different times, your marriage is gonna fail.
Tell me more about that, preach about it. I was
so irritated because it's like you have me and Jonesy
where like, yeah, I obviously love like getting to snuggle
up in bed with my person. That being said, if

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he has to have a late night shift or is
on set late or whatever, he will be like go
to bed because I do not want you to be
exhausted and wait up for me, or vice versa. If
I'm like, hey, I'm tired and I know that, like
you know, you want to finish this movie, I'm not
gonna be like, oh if I don't stay up, we're
gonna get divorced. Or if he comes to bed early,

(51:43):
he's gonna resent me. So I just I was so
irritated by that whole conversation where they're like, well, you
need to stay up for her. I was like, go back, very.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
Much like to your point, Skyler. Like something that I
realized about these folks who come in, particularly you know
Pastor cal himself, is I think they like to weapon
is this idea of compromise, Because what you're describing is
actual compromise. It's the idea of recognizing that two people
are on different schedules, maybe have two different wavelengths at
which they operate for something like sleep or eating or

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work or something like this. And then doctor Pastor Cow
doctor Pastor probably both his his version of compromises. No, no,
you need to do this. You have to do this,
like it's not enough for you to have your own thing,
live your own way. Sorry, no, you just got to
do it this way. Which, yeah, going back to like
Michelle and David was the exact same thing. You know,

(52:33):
So I don't get it. I think they're there to
stir the plot, They're there to play up the drama.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Also, I have to say, Kate goes to bed at
nine pm, what does he live on a farm.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
I mean, come on, excuse me, ma'am. Have you met me?

Speaker 2 (52:50):
I know, may giving me that look to nine, I'll
go to this young man. She's just asking for one
more hour.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Ten, But he gets up at five.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Yeah, why is he getting up at five?

Speaker 4 (53:09):
Why he's got to get that risk better so you
can go back to the drums.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Yeah, wait a minute, wait a minute, rewind. He can
go to the gym, but he can't drop.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Okay, Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It just
seems I don't know. I feel like pastor cal just
to defend him, he's picking up on something stubborn about EKG.
I feel like that, you know. I don't know. There's
just something he's locked. And yes, I do think it's

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kind of sad to go to bed that early.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
You guys, I'm sorry, but you know I'm old, so
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
At eight thirty two nights ago, I'll tell you. I'm
gonna be honest. Yeah it happens.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Okay, I'm not I'm not voted here.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
That find no problem list staying your fucking way.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Right, clearly, I know nothing. You know what I should
be praising y'all for your self care. Great job.

Speaker 5 (54:09):
Oh you should praise me when I stay out and
do a comedy show late and I don't have to
go to bed at like ten thirty eleven o'clock.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
I don't know how you do that.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
If you, well, I did it.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
The other night I was gonna say. I was like,
are you referring to any show in particular, perhaps a
sold out show at three clubs and this last weekend.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
That's right, I made it through.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
I didn't fall asleep.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
It's amazing that you still managed to get to sleep
that early after a comedy show. I would be up
to like three o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 5 (54:42):
I took a sleeping pill on the way home down
from those endorphins.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Okay, you took a sleeping pill. That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
I had to.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Yeah, there's no way. Whenever I work and I get
off like like Jonesy, or I get off like set
or something like that. A yeah, yeah, I can't get
to bed for several hours. I have to cook and
eat a full meal. Yeah, I'm like, and then watch
like TV until four o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
And the me where I take a Celsius at eight
o'clock PM and we'll still be asleep. By. Oh yeah,
people are like, how do you do it? I'm like,
my body just is broken.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
I remember those days. I also have no trouble sleeping.
Even if I did, like I could go to bed,
It's just that it's just hard to when you're when
you have that in your system. But sleeping good idea, Jamie.
All right, I would never get up the next morning though,
and that I know that about myself.

Speaker 5 (55:37):
Okay, all right, So anything else about mm any kach?
So we can get to the last because we are
coming up at an almost an hour now.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
So all right, we just gotta next. So are we
we ready to go to yeah? Okay, all right?

Speaker 4 (55:53):
So Wan and Carla, you know, the thing I was
immediately struck by was just I don't think they're ever
going to be able to share the same space. I
think they're understanding of what they like in the space.
And look, I love a good hammock. Hammock is my
summertime pastime. But at the same time, hammock in a
high rise that's a choice. I don't know about that,

(56:13):
but Carla was not about it. And I think Wand's
entire method of living is can be you know, contextualized
through that hammock. He just kind of likes to pick
things up and put them in a certain place. And Carla,
she really likes her stuff. She was out of it
about how much she likes her stuff and how much
she wants to bring her stuff and take over that space.

(56:35):
And I think the problem is you have two people
that have different methods of living, different ideas of what
they should do with their space, but it's all encompassing.
They love to put their things everywhere and to have
their things dominate the space. I just don't think it's
going to work. I don't see it.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Agree Sam. Guys, how do we feel about hammock inside
the house? Anyone for the choice?

Speaker 5 (57:02):
Well, I will say, hear me out because he's in
a high rise and he doesn't have a yard to
put it in.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
And he's single. I mean he's not single now, but
before he was single? Yeah, why not?

Speaker 2 (57:22):
No, he does not belong in a home. It's just
not appropriate.

Speaker 5 (57:28):
Why I had I slept in my hammock the first
two weeks I moved down here.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Yeah, but that's because you had no furniture or a bed.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
That's yes, I know, but.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Neither does one.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Right.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
See, here's my thing about the hammock. I was able
to look past that hammock. What I could not look
past was his stolen home Depot cart that he used
to wheel his TV up to his apartment and then said,
I didn't you know I was gonna up on the wall,
And I said, this looks like a great TV. That's

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all I could focus on. I said, I love a
good excuse to be lazy. However, that is me moving
my side table from my living room into my office
to make space for my Christmas tree, and then saying,

(58:26):
you know what, I was going to move this back
out into the dining area, but I kind of like
it in my office because I can put a candle
on it and listen to a record. Is it me
being lazy partially? Is it me also being like this
is esthetically pleasing for the month that it's going to
be here before I get rid of my Christmas tree? Also, yes,

(58:49):
there is no reason to use a stolen cart from
home depot as a TV stand other than I will
get to that project one day, maybe in five years.

Speaker 4 (59:03):
But what if he wants to move the TV.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
I don't think. No, that's not a good choice, you know.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
And the thing is is. I was like, when Carla
makes sense, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
She goes that industrial. I love man, I do love
that Carlo. She is funny.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
He's got her sage.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
You got an it?

Speaker 2 (59:29):
She got to sage. She goes that is industrial.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
I thought that's.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
That was hysterical. Also, how does Wan not know what
a smudge stick is? I mean, like, yes, we're in La,
but like, really, you don't know what it's like. You
don't know what sage is and why people burn it?
You never encountered that before.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Yeah, yeah, that was hard to believe that he hadn't
heard that.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Bundle of sticks.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
I saged this place when I moved in. Yeah, I
sure did.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
I hope we all did, so.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
I just had to.

Speaker 5 (01:00:13):
I'm why did Wan use the phrase that he was
in such a place of ecstasy?

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Oh it?

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Oh he was talking about when he and David and
he forgot about Carla. He's like, I was in such
a place of ecstasy.

Speaker 5 (01:00:33):
I was like ecstasy, Like, oh, he has been around
David too much because he's using the wrong word.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
I don't think he has met ecstasy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
These men using their words like this, See.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
If married at first sight is going to have a
first gay couple. I don't want it to be one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
But wouldn't that be funny if that were the If
that those were the two that cheeated.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Yeah, I would be like, you know what, I could
see that marriage working. Yeah, with the hammock and David's basement.

Speaker 5 (01:01:09):
Yes, maybe that is what. Maybe that was the plan
all along. The producers are like, hey, these two are
going to hit it all and then there's gonna be
the big scandal.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Because listen, if that is the scandal that happens, I
will give this show so much props, but I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Think I'll be here for it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Oh I will too, that would be the drama.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
I will everybody to watch the show if that happens.
I'll be like, y'all got to check out married at first?

Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
Yeah, because if that happens, it's only going to get
better because they will see how awesome it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Is and be going, oh, why weren't we doing this
all along?

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
That'd be great.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:01:58):
I think even those conservative white lace eighties watching Lifetime
would love it because you know, the closer they get
to God, the more they like some drama as long
as it's in somebody else's life.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Yes, look, conservative people love QUEERRAI for the straight guy.
Come on, they do. You can't use that America as
an excuse not have a gay couple on married at
first sight. I'm sorry, you just can't. We've moved beyond.
Maybe it doesn't seem like it often times, but I

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don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Okay, anything else about Gwan and Carla, so we can
get our guests predictions.

Speaker 4 (01:02:41):
What do you guys feel about the rug?

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Really see it?

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
Yeah, it's like a little cowhide type of thing going on.
Carla was not having it. Oh, she said this rug
has seen things. He said, it's been here for like
a week, and so that's just a mismatch there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Like putting together the fact that none of it, the
miasan sin does not work right. So that's what she's
commenting on it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
Just once, I was team Carla. I have not I
love Carla, but I'm like she's annoying as fuck. But
this episode, I was like, oh, Carla gets it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
I want I can see it, but it's got to go.
And I was like, yes, girl, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Yeah, yeah, I don't disagree.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
What Sam didn't see is he just saw her storage space.
But she had a really cute apartment, like it was
really cute, and I mean she definitely knows how to
like decorate and have nice things.

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
So do we trust Carla's sensibilities?

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Yes, I would trust Carla with my life. WHOA. I
love Carla. I want her to be my guru.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
I swear rewind to I don't believe in money. I
believe in it energy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
I am with her on that one because I have
any money, So I'm just trying to put it out
there that it is energy. I don't believe in money.
Money is just energy. It just comes and it knows,
it flows and it comes back to you like a boomerang.
It just comes and goes like the time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Only if you have the right energy will it come
back to you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
That's right, and I don't have the right energy right now,
so we need to get well.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
My bitcoin stocks are going up, so I.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Heard that too from some people with money in Los Angeles.
So with energy, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, are we done with one?
And Carla?

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
For once, I did I had much to say about
these two.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Okay, great, great?

Speaker 5 (01:04:50):
All right, So now comes the part of the podcast
where we get our guest predictions on these couples. So
since this is the first time Sam had watched married
at first, I'll just.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
Give you a little overview.

Speaker 5 (01:05:06):
So these all of these couples, they met for the
very first time at the altar and they got married,
legally married. They have eight weeks to decide whether or
not they want to stay married or get a divorce.
And at the end of the eight weeks, they go
in front of the experts, all three of them Dr Pepper,
Doctor Piat, and Pastor Cow and they say whether or

(01:05:27):
not they want to stay married or get a divorced.
And if one says yes, then the other says no,
they get a divorced. So, knowing that we're going to
get your predictions on these couples whether or not they
will say yes or no on decision day. So David
and Michelle.

Speaker 4 (01:05:44):
Uh, you know that's going to be a hard No.
I'm just gonna be completely honest. I don't see it.
I don't know how it's gonna happen. I think I think,
you know, Michelle, she's she's already had it. She's out.
You know, it took it took ten days. She's already out,
and she'll try to get back at it. I don't
think it's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
I think you're right. How about Camille and Thomas, you know, I.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
Could see it. I don't want to be a downer,
but I could also say no. I mean, just going
back to the to the age thing. Honestly, I think
the type of swag that Camille is looking for is
not inherent within this forty two year old man. And
not that that's a problem everyone in their own kind
of realm. But I don't think Thomas is going to
be able to get on her level. I mean, she's
quite young, you know, and I don't think he has

(01:06:27):
that exuberance.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
I don't he does not.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Record that Sam just said a woman in her thirties
is young. I feel like that does not happen most
of the time about women in this country.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
So that is true Madison and Allen.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
Uh, you know, I have a little bit of faith.
I got a little bit of hope there. I think, honestly,
if I can be a little one sided about this,
it's going to take some heavy living thing from think
you have to change a little bit of her perspective
see everything that Alan has going on, because I think
Alan honestly is put together as he is is willing

(01:07:08):
to meet Madison halfway more than she's probably willing to
meet him. And so I think if she reaches a
point in time where she's able to remove herself from
kind of whatever aspects of her life that she's projecting
and understand, you know, I think just the genuine nature
of Alan, I think that could work out. I think
it could happen. I think Alan's ready to compromise. I
think Madison just has to get there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
Yeah, Okay, fantastic. MM and Ekch.

Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
You know, I had high hopes for these two, but
after our conversation, I think I don't know. I think
MM is gonna get tired of it. I think Akch
he is kind of like a woe is Me type
of guy, and I think MM is kind of no bullshit.
And I think those two things just can't meet in
the middle. And I think they're going to have ups
and downs, but ultimately I don't think it's gonna work out.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
Okay, all right? And then Wan and Carla.

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
You know, I think one and Carla are chaos. I
think there's there's so much there's so much different in
the way in which they work, in the in the
manner in which they talk in their beliefs and what
the domestic space should be. But you know what, I
think sometimes chaos makes sparks, and I think opposites a track.
I'm gonna go nuts here and say it's gonna happen

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for Want and Carla.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
All right, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Oh my god, that's great. Okay. So then there's one
other question that we have to ask you, Sam, and
it's very important, is will you continue to watch Married
at First Sight?

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
You know, I don't think I'm going to continue to
watch Married at First Site, And and that is totally
due to the fact that I have so much trouble
watching TV this year. It's crazy. It's because I'm too
busy going to bed at eight thirty. But it has
piqued my interest enough to go on People magazine dot
com or whatever Reddit forums you know are disseminating this

(01:08:58):
information to determine what's going on. I keep you and
tell of this whole scandal thing that's going to happen.
I have no idea what it is. I'm kind of curious.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
I'm not gonna lie, or you could listen to our podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
I think that's exactly what I will do.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Honestly, day, we'll say, yeah, better.

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
First time caller about to be a long time listener.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
I promise you yea, I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
I will say this.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
I do you have any comments? You can send them
to us and we'll, like, we'll talk about them.

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
Yeah, honestly, yeah, I'm just scratching the service on this.
I'm about to go deep on it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
I just want to say that.

Speaker 5 (01:09:39):
I thoroughly enjoyed your insights into all of these couple.
I mean, I'm just like, I really like this guy, Like,
I like what he has to say.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
I like it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:49):
Thank you, You're too kind. Honestly, you guys were doing
all the lifting. It was fun just to sit back
and watch you guys go at it. This is a
this has been This has been such a joy for me. Seriously,
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Samon Skyler should be the new experts.

Speaker 4 (01:10:03):
Oh Skylar, let's do it. Season nineteen is so not ready.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
Rash ship, bring on party, Austin.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
And yeah, yeah, honestly.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
For white men two yell old, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
That's just what they're asking for.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
They have couples, yes, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
Yeah, And I'll be the expert that you're only going
to be the expert on the gays. Don't talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Sam, Do you want to plug any of your stuff?

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
Sure so I yeah, writer, director, producer, constantly working on
uh making stuff, usually spending a lot of time writing.
I just wrote and directed a short film earlier this
year that we are doing a few kind of small
screenings of right now, and it will be released at
some point in time digitally next year. For most information

(01:11:01):
on that, really it's kind of coming through my Instagram,
which I believe is plugged here and so yeah, that's
the big one. But yeah, keep your eyes field. This
is just the beginning. We're hoping to get more stuff
out there sooner rather than later. So I'm excited. I
appreciate you guys giving me the platform to talk about it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
What's it called?

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
My short film is called The Talk?

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
Okay, that would be really easy to google.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Okay, So when when it comes out, please Sky please
send it so we can watch it. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
Absolutely absolutely, I'm excited to get people's reactions.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
It's well, I'm just going to follow my Instagram me too.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
I will follow you all right back. I got to
know what's going on with this podcast. It's essential now
yay yaya.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
How about you guys? Anything else you guys want to plug, Jamie.

Speaker 5 (01:11:55):
I have the monthly Mirthquake show. This coming out in
eight December fourteenth at six pm at gold Raal Bar
in Glendale.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Yeah. That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Okay, that's that's a big thing. Yeah, a show, And
we just did a show that sky. We just did
a show together, which was amazing, by the way, great
job putting on that show, y'all. I have up for
you anything you want to plug.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
Well, the show that we just did went so well
that we are planning more. Obviously, this isn't coming up
anytime soon, but stay tuned for more shows that will slay. Yes,
definitely in Hollywood three clubs.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Yes, love that place.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
Ye.

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
I am currently have a new fund raising campaign going
for my short film that I've written and I'm directing
Fantastic a few weeks so you guys can find that
on my Instagram as well. Anyone who's listening. You can
get a tax right off. We are a five oh
one C three B B. So if you need a

(01:13:19):
tax right off at the end of the year, just
go ahead, and why not give us a small indie
film your money? Say that's lady Sadie lemin. You're gonna
give it to somebody, you might as well give it
to me, right, you know, absolutely, yes, yes, And it's
it's so fun. It's it's it's going to be set.

(01:13:40):
It's set in the nineteen nineties, which Sam and Sky
probably don't remember it all.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me. I remember the nineties bagely, Sam,
But I don't know if you do. But I there's like.

Speaker 4 (01:13:57):
One brief glimpse of nineteen ninety nine that I have memories,
you know, I love it in my infant wisdom.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
You know, so cute.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Yes, it's definitely before your time, which is also just
really fun to play in. It was just such a great,
such a great time before cell phones, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:14:19):
Yeah, I wish we could go back, honestly.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
All right, well, I like to thank our guest Sam Schneider.

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
Oh no, thank you guys. This has been such a blast. Honestly,
this is thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
This was great, This was awesome. Thank you,