MURDER: Chanel Taylor

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the places where we work. Hello, and welcome to Mad or Bad.
My name is Rachel and I'm Neil. And this week on That or Bad
we will be talking and discussing themade of Chanelle Taylor back in two thousand

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and four. So this is onethat you basically picked out of your own
mind, right, because it's somethingthat you remember, well when you sit
down, don't you sit down andthink of, you know what, what
what would be interested in writing about? And yeah, this one came to
mind because again, like probably allof mine so far except that Christmas John

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Lennon one, we're all relatively sortof close to home, close to I
mean, I'm going to run outof them soon because on so many gladly
we well happily we live in anarea that's you know, not touch would
not you know, it's not allall murde us so but yeah, so
as we recall this episode, itis day one of Lockdown, I'm just

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thinking, Yeah, late March twentytwenty and the dreaded coronavirus and I hope
everyone is well, you know,the vast majority of people that care to
listen, you know, well keepingwell, yeah, and being responsible about
what you do and what you choosenot to do. Please just stay inside.

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It will be interesting. I thinkwe've already mentioned this in one of
the last podcasts that we have recorded. It will be interesting when this actually
comes out to listen back and tokind of see like where we are at
that point in the future. Sofuture of to be apt to be honest
though, I mean when will thisone come out April or may start off?

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Well? I hope things are becauseactually could be pretty much the same
on the worse. Really, Imean, people know this's not me being
the scientific no no, because obviouslywe're beyond Italy, aren't we. And
yeah, but if people behave themselvesand do as they're asked, it could

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not get any worse. It couldstay the same. I mean we I
would just saying to Rachel that asa place near Rosmut, a lot of
bath just down the road and ona Sunday for years and years I think
we might have spoke about as before. But loads of bikers, you know,
motor bikers go on a Sunday andand obviously we it's Tuesday today,

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well last Sun Sunday just gone walkYeah, yeah, yeah, Mother's Day.
I had to walk down there andI said to Roch when I got
back, the amount of people thosepictures all over the news. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, it was likea bank holiday. It was like an
August Bank holiday, sunny Sonny AugustBank holiday. It was absolutely packed.
Well, people don't realize is thatactually they are contributing to killing people.

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Like I know that sounds really dramatic, but that is actually the truth.
I mean, what guest me is, you've got a lot loads of people
that come. Yeah, the localish people there as well, but the
people coming out of area coming inthere get you know, potentially with it
and then buggering off. Again.People are just idiots. But yeah,
obviously they cop on a bit andwe're to start taking a bit more serious

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to walk this morning, didn't wewith our baby and we you know,
we did all our social distancing.And I was going to say that,
yeah, and it was like,yeah, it was quiet really but that's
good to see. It was nice. It was actually sunny. So to
this, yeah, I shall beginso as I said, they're in the
intro. We're going to discustom ofChanelle Taylor back in two thousand and four.

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So Chanelle Taylor was twenty three yearsold in two thousand and four,
and she lived in the former Imean a lot of places in Nottinghamshire were
pit villages. Former pit village calledHathwaite, which from here is probably fifteen

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miles something like that. Yeah,so yeah, probably fifteen miles probably that
sort of ten miles from not Inghamif that places it. So I know,
the place sort of a bit andno respect at all to Hathwaite,
any if anyone the remote chance ofanyone listening that lives in Northwaite. It's

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not kind of the place like alot of places. It's not the kind
of place you go to if youdon't know anyone there, or you don't
live there, or you don't waitthere, because you know, it's just
kind of nondescript place. I mean, we're really lucky where we live,
aren't we, because kind of welive in kind of a touristy place.
It's completely different to like, yeah, a lot of I'm not knocking Northwaite

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at all, do you know whatI mean? But it is what it
is. So Yeah, there's likea market there office and interestingly, or
they used to be obviously, I'vejust been told about this a well known
adult shop, let's say so,I was told. No, I've just

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seen it. When you see thatbig adult shop on the on the way
to the on the way to Burming, America. Yeah, yeah, what
the between factory shop? Yeah?Is it for all the truckers, That's
what I always think, or thetruckers all truckers. It's anyone in it,

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really, I don't know what.Just it's a weird place for you
need a car or true, well, it's like it's one of those places
that, like you, you'd haveto drive to on purpose. Yeah,
yeah, see what you're saying.Anyone's ever been there? Let us know
next time. I'll go to whichone any time too? Yeah? Over

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to you, Rachel, Oh thankyou. So back to Chanelle. As
I say, or as Anil hassaid, Chanelle was twenty three years old
and very recently married. I thinkshe was, sorry, Rachel, I
think she was a hairdresser. Actually, just just to add another Okay,
No, nobody's nice to know whatwhat Chanel did. So she was twenty
three years old, very recently married, although she had been with Lee,

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her husband for approximately four years.There were several now infamous photographs at the
time in the local newspapers of Chanelleand her father, Terry Rogers in the
wedding character together. Yeah, definitely, And I remember just after this happened.
You know, obviously I was anyyear a young man at this time

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as you as you'll know, butstill a young man. Well, I
know, I was very young man. And yeah, I do remember that
when when I was sat down thinkingabout what, you know, which case
can we talk about? That wasdefinitely one of the ones that Chelah,
I'm just having a lot. Yeah, I have a lot. It's definitely
there if you just google it,google images, just google it. And
and that's what came to mind comingoff. It's put Chanel Taylor murder.

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Yeah, have you made this up? What the entire case is? No?
No, no, it did.Yeah, we run out of thinks
to do locals I made no.No, So let's talk about what Rachel
just google that. Let's talk aboutChanelle's dad, Terry Rodgers his name.

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I'll refer to him after this asRodgers two reasons because I'm not going to
call him Terry if because Terry mydad's name, because not Terry Rodgers young
son Terry Gregory h Terrance. Umyeah, um, so well I'll just

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call him Rodgers because it was apiece of shit, and calling him calling
him Terry just don't know if hefeels wrong, do you know what I
mean? I know it won't changeanything, but just feels wrong. Now,
it's quite like informal listener, Yeah, basis, Yeah, and he
was a piece of shit, Ithink anyway, So let's talk about his
dad, her dad. Sorry,So Rogers was born in nineteen forty eight,

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so he was approximately fifty six fiftyfive through six at a time of
his daughter's death. You know,it's fair to say that he had a
tough time growing up in his formativeyears. He was he was put for
adoption and then rejected by his adoptiveparents. So you know, I'm not

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kind of transmit any excuses for whatadoption do you know? I'm not sure.
Sorry, I'm not gonna lie makeit all. Was he a babby
or was he like a you know, like a child who would have known?
I think he I think he knewwhen he was rejected. When I've
looked at comments from one of hisbrothers, Roy, But one of his
brothers called Roy, but we're goneto that, so he's we're going to

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it now. In fact, sohis brother Roy stated that Terry was a
products of an affair his dad hadwith a local lady. Whether she was
a lady or not, I don'tknow, but she was a female,
a lady of the night. Sohis parents initially, perhaps not un surprisingly
split up when obviously this biological onediscovered that his dad was having a child's

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child was someone else. Roy,So, Roger's brother stated that Rogers was
treated differently from his siblings. Henever knew his actual biological mother and what
was in fact his stepmother, soRoy's biological mother. But Roger's stepmother,

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apparently according to Roy, made itvery clear and from the off and treated
Roger's very differently. You know thathe was not her baby, and you
know that was kind of wanted himto know that. And Roy, I
guess eyes and they stated that Rogersit craved a mother's attention. M interesting.

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So as a teenager, Rogers wasdescribed as having a chip on his
shoulder, although the same can besaid of many teenagers. Of course,
During his teenage years. At onestage he ended up at a young offender's
institute, which at the time wascarled Borstalls. He apparently stole a bye
presumably a bicycle, which resulted inhim being sent to this institution. Not

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sure if anyone has seen the nineteenseventy nine film Borstall with Ray Winstone.
Yeah, I mean it's obviously muchtoo young obviously to watch it when it
first came out, but it's it'sit's you know, it's very grim,
and I mean whether it was what'sthe word kind of over dramatized. Yeah,

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I mean, especially an element toa point everything is, isn't it
to make it a smooth running film. But even if it's only off,
the sort of reality that the filmportrays them still pretty grim. So on
his eventual release, not sure howlong he actually served, Roger's brother Roy
said that he was very bitter aboutthe experience and that he had actually been
sexually abused whilst there, which youknow, which must be horrendous if that,

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If that's true, I mean I'veread stuff before, not nothing to
with Roger case, but that that, you know, that did kind of
happen between I think predominantly fellow inmates. Yeah, yeah, inmate, you
know, fellow young people. Soit stated that as an older teenager,

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Rogers increasingly became kind of drogatory anddismissive of females. It was often had
to call females, you know,whether it be his sisters, any girlfriends
he had, and later, aswe shall see, his own daughter,
one of his kind of often repeated, you know, females are slags.
You know, that was his likefor yeah. So that so that gives

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you at this stage a bit ofan inkling into his into his you know,
my character and that and yeah.So that wasn't just when he was
a teenager, which don't get mewrong that that's not on, but you
know, that was when he wasa grown adult as well. So after
school he worked I think predominantly insort of security, whether that was as

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a security would call him security guard, whether that was on the doors in
in you know, in clubs andstuff like that. It's not really clear
that certain of the stuff that wecould see, But what we do know
is in about the mid seventies hemarried for the first time. He was
described by his first wife as abully and on one occasion, I say

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on one occasion. It could havebeen other occasions, but this one particular
occasion, he attacked his fairly newwife at the time with a clawhammer fracture
in a school. So again,you know, we're kind of progressing,
aren't we. Well, I thinkit's just, you know, like a
hammer, it's got generally some thehammer that we've got, which I've locked

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away in case Rachel gets old of. It's got it's got two ends.
It's got the end that you're knockingailing in it. Yeah, yeah,
that's I think. Yeah, incase anything happens to me of that nature.
Hashtag safeguarding. So yeah, soyou know, like a hammer,
so presumably you know one end ofanmmor you're knocking ailing, wouldn't you like
a fly the other bit of theclaw? Yeah, I guess. I

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guess you get some ammas that don'thave the bit that you knocks Alora,
or maybe a clarammer's got a clawon one side and a hammer on the
other. Yeah. Well, youknow, if you've got nothing else better
to do, they're in lockdown,aren't we. Yeah. I mean,
far be it that we ever actuallytorture each other. We don't want to

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be doing. Yeah, so thatthat particular attack there was after apparently that
his new wife told Rodgers that shewas leaving him, so he didn't want
you know, he wasn't with ustake kind of taking control. Yeah,
So as a result of that attack, he saved a year in prison.

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Hm, you know, you're insomeone's school. I know, when you
get a year in prison, isthat me? Or is it a year's
slats? Like a holiday? Waspiculos about a holiday book? Do you
know what? It's ridiculous? Inbad So at some stage she married again
and that was too Chanelle's mom.They also had two other children from the
marriage. His wife. Chanelle's momlater said that Rogers battered her, attacking

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her with Stanley knives and even ascythe as a farming tool. I mean,
it signs like a massive thing thatlike I don't know if it's used
much anymore, but you know,like what you chopped corn down with,
you know, like a well,I don't know what I mean, there's
a lot of farming country around there. I don't know, a fucking I
don't know. I mean, whywould you have a sithe? God knows?

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But then again, this blake's abit of a not. He probably
collects them. He was herd tospeak to Chanelle on more than one occasion,
and highly derogatory terms such as quote, you think you're so good,
don't you? But you're a slag. Yet it was Chanelle, probably more
than anyone, who showed him loveand affection. Chanelle asked Roger's her dad,
to give her away on her weddingday to late in June two thousand

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and four. Rogers eventually agreed todo so, but not before quibbling over
the cost of the wedding and theplan for the day Chanelle's big day.
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I don't know whether I wouldn't have
thought. I mean I don't know. I didn't know the man obviously,
but I wouldn't have thought. Sheonly were saying, will you you know,
will you pay for the entire wedding? I think you just want to.

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It's like a control thing, isn'tit. You want to? You
want to? What better? Myfucking idiot? Well yeah, I think,
oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah.So, as we said earlier,
there's quite a lot of photos onthe internet freely available, which quite up
set him. Really, I'm talkingabout on the wedding day because when you
think about the events of just well, I guess, yeah, just just

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a month later that was yeah,yeah, from the wedding day. Yeah
yeah, yeah. So apparently Idon't know, maybe this has gone on
for years, even when she knowwas growing up. But Roger's are frequent
arguments with his wife, so sheknows mom, and after one such argument
in July two thousand and four,she knows mom. Basically, I think

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it said somewhere kicked him out.I don't know, you know, I
don't know whether she waited until hewent out, and I don't know chained
the doors. Yeah, because Imean, can imagine asking him to imagine
with that sythe thanks. I can'tsay that word. So, after sleeping
rough for some indeterminable time, presumablynot long, Chanelle, you know,

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she aired that obviously the adam ofthe argument, which probably wasn't you know,
probably quite frequent occurrence, but probablyhe'd slept rule so and so she,
you know, she said, comeand stay with us. I don't
know whether an agreed time was setup, you know, come and stay
with us four. Yeah, it'sprobably I mean, Chanelle probably thought,
so you get back on your feetkind of well, I was thinking probably

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a moment I'd put the loads ofthese arguments. Yeah, do you know
what I mean say, she probablythought it'll blow over next week, three
days or whatever. I don't know, but anyway, you know, Lee
presumably was an agreement. Yeah.So Rogers went to live with Chanelle and
Lee in the terraced home in NewStreet Hathwaite. So eventually, and again

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we don't know exactly how many dayson this was from when Rogers actually came
to live with them, but Chanelleand Lee asked Rogers that, you know,
he couldn't be kind of staying along term, so we're gone after
yeah, nudge nudge. So Imean where like annoying as well because they're

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just married and it's like they kindof probably Yeah, but Chanel and and
LEI you know, there's this likeyour dad live in living, you know,
living rough and and and she knowsmore than described as you know,
she should help anyone. You know, she had art of gold and yeah
and all this, and you knowit wouldn't be nice, would it,
Even though I mean she would haveknown once she she wasn't an idiot.

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She would have known that he youknow, he was a bit of a
about his violence though, like themust have dawn, she must have dawne
and one must have said, surely, surely, I mean I don't know.
Obviously we don't know, but yeah, you'd have thought so whether she
knew the extent I don't know.So I mean, whether I mean rogers

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to be kind of you know hisI mean, can imagine him. You
know, this is a man fromwho was a grown adult, was you
know, calling women just just slagsslags? Yeah, no slags, you
know, really really drogratry. It'sa right woman hater the name. Yeah,
I mean, And that probably goesback to is yeah, yeah,
you took the words out. Thatdoes Probably that's not an excuse, but

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it is an excuse. Explanation froman explanation. It's certainly an an excuse.
Now. So I wonder how hetook to whether it was channel that
kind of broached it with him aboutINTI time you left. You wouldn't have
lost, that, would he?I wouldn't. I thought, you know,
do you know what I mean,what I'd been told what to do
by by a woman? You know, I mean that you're told what to
do by a woman every day?No, no, but I just I

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just I just got along with itunless by it, unless it's something serious,
you know, I know what Iknow which way bread's buttered? Whatever
the Yeah, So whether you knowwhether that was a kind of you know,
the the trigger you know, scipitating, Yeah, factor for why he

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then, did you know, likea rage? I mean we don't,
we don't know. I mean,yeah, it's probably would have probably is,
but I probably would have kind ofwhether if Lee would have and we
don't know whether leaded. You know, it could have been Lee that said
that, that said to it.They could have said it together, can
you think about moving? We don'tknow doing but either way you would have

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probably you know, I've seen picturesof Lead. You know, he's quite
a big sort of bloke, andobviously this Rodgers is a great a bully,
and so he would have gone forand that's it. Actually, Yeah,
you've kind of hit the nail onthe head. I mean, he's
not going to go for Lee,who's liking this big fella. He's going
to go for somebody who's smaller thanthem, who he plus he sees,

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he sees, you know, geogratrykind of thing. Anyway, I might
be told about to do by awoman fucking I'm having so. On the
thirtieth of July two thousand and four, Lee left for work in the morning,
leaving Chantelle and her dad at home. Lee later returned, perhaps for
his lunch, at approximately half twelve, when he was by a scene of

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utter horror. And I was deadin the house, having been shot twice
in the head and twice in herback. It was blatantly obvious that his
wife was dead. I mean,that's horrendous in it. I mean,
I mean, I wouldn't want toupon abarts. It's not nice. But
imagine you know, you're getting back, And I mean I would have been
the absolute obviously last thing. Wellobviously, well obviously it wouldn't have been.

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It wouldn't been the last thing.It just wouldn't have even been on
the scale, would it. Butto see somebody with two shotguns, you
know you'd never be right again,would you? I mean, what'll happen?
We weren't going about a but horrendousAnd so Rodgers, who was obviously
still in the house at the time. We're still living in the house at
the time. There was no signof a Short while after his read Perjo

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one oh six was found abandoned andnearby Hocknell, again with no sign of
Rodgers anywhere. So as as weknow, you know they're going to the
police are obviously going to you know, going to look at the you know,
immediate kind of people first, aren'tthey Rogers. He's buggered off,
his cars abandoned, he's been atwork, um, so you know he

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would have had an alibi with themorning so you know kind of you don't
need to be detective to a policeofficer to think not not necessarily Rogers,
but it certainly would it's certainly someoneyou want to speak to. So pretty
much immediately the massive man was underwayfor Rogers, who, as I've just

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said he was, he was kindof the crime sort of person, primes
suspect they wanted at the minute.The man involved approximately four hundred police officers
from Nottinghamshire Police and also neighboring policeforces as well. It was one of
the largest or still is one ofthe largest man unts that there's ever been
in Nottinghamshire. So that gives someindication of the you know, he has

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a helicopter on standby as well withhe detection equipment that was also used,
you know, police dogs search dogs, so it's full on, full on.
Incidentally, actually, at the sametime that the police were looking for
Rogers in the same area, thepolice were also searching for another murder suspect

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or completely unconnected with Channel, whowas wanted for the murder of a local
man who had been shot dead onhis doorstep with a crossbow. Jesus yeah,
I mean that's actually perhaps for anotherepisode. I think the I think
the the ins and outswer that itgoes back to the Minus strikes sort of
the arrival nurse nursing, nursing onthe bloody brain. They're in the rival

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Minus unions, different unions, youknow, some were striking, some were
breaking strike. This is like theninus massive minor strike in I think it
was was it eighty four to eightyfive in in UK and obviously a lot
of pits in Nottinghamshire where four thatcherAgain that's another story, but I think

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that's where that It's just interesting thatat the same time the Nottinghamshire Police were
involved, we're searching for someone andAnnesley Woods, where they thought Rogers was,
was also where they thought this allthe fellow was as well. Together
no, no, no, no, well, as we know, but

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into yeah, yeah, it happenslike thatison. That's never a one,
it's always usually three. So,as Niela has just said, police concentrated
their efforts in nearby Annesley Woods.A body was found by a member of
the public on the fourteenth of Augustin South Normanton, again another fairly local
place to all of the places wehave mentioned thus far. As you may

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imagine, there were immediate reports speculatingas to who the person was. That's
is there, aren't it. It'slike, not only is Rodgers, who's
obviously we're talking about fundamentally on thiscase, but there's also this other one,
and then the flipping general public fundinganother body in as well. Jesus,
was it Rogers or was it theother murder suspect that the police were
searching for as a transpired, itwas actually neither. Eventually, after eighteen

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days on the run, Rodgers wasfound by police in Annesley Woods and promptly
arrested and charged with the murder ofhis daughter. And I think I think
the day before that, a shelterwas found in the woods and that's when
the other fellow was found. Youknow, they murde of suspects for the
other one. So whether they didhave any I don't know, I mean
nothing. I mean it's quite alarge I've never been in these words,

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but I know I know kind ofwhere they are. I've drove driven in
a car and I can there's alot of you know, it's quite out
in the sticks, isn't it,Because I've been to Annesley House, right,
the mental health Oh yeah, Itook that. Yeah, it's quite
out. Yeah yeah. It's lovelyout there. Yeah yeah yeah, nice
nice place. So, as Rachelsaid, yeah, so he was taken

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into custody and gave up without anystruggle at all when the police found him,
and he was charged with the murderof Channel. To begin with,
he was claiming diminished responsibility. Thatwas rejected by the prosecution and he was
charged with murder. He was remandedto Lincoln Prison. Lincoln's lovely places and
at Lincoln Prison, of any otherdrove by old Victorian style prison. It

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looks fucking room. Lincoln is lovelythough, no, yeah yeah, the
prison yeah yeah yeah yeah. Sowhen he was on remand, So he's
in Lincoln Prison on remand, andat one stage you mentioned I wished to
kill himself. And he was alsofound in a cell with off a bottle

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of some tablets on one day aswell and shoelaces. So I don't know,
I mean, I don't know.I'm not obviously prison officer. But
where's the searching coming here? Peopleknow the system, don't there? Yeah,
but he's made a suspect. Imean, I don't know, critical
prison day. At one stage duringthe Romand period, Rogers was detained to
aaron Ald Lodge under a section ofthe Mental Health Act. Unsure as to

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what section. I presume a sectionthirty seven or it could be thirty seven
just hospital or wasn't it Yeah?Yeah, yeah, yeah, because the
forty one elements. Yeah, thatwould be the restriction. Yeah. However,
after a further period of assessment,he was deemed as medically fit to
stand trial and was sent back toLincoln Prison. I bet he fucking lovedn't

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he not? Yeah, because hewould have perceived as though, to be
fair, you know, like whenpeople go on a thirty seven and they're
like being assessed and treated for mentalhealth, a lot of the time they
end up spending a lot more timein hospital than they would have if they
were in prison. Yeah, Ithink we're both seen that certainly have.

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Yeah, I just think it's aneasy way out, don't they? But
it's not. Yeah, but that'sonly because we work in a system.
I mean I remember a particular personpatient that she'd kind of gone through the
system. She's at Ramptom, whichis high secure, then Arnold Lodge medium,
then she went to a low secure. Then she came to where I
was working at the time, andyou know, she'd actually she said,

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I remember saying that, you know, if I'd not had mental problems,
i'd even night years ago. Yeah. Obviously I made no comment to that,
but it's absolutely true. But butI'm thinking though we work in the
so Rogers, he probably wouldn't have. No, he would he would have
he would have thought, oh,yeah, you know this so Arnold Lodge

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were mentioned Onold Lodging previous episodes.That's medium secure, isn't it. YEA.
So for the last few months ofRoger's life before he successfully well in
effect killed himself, So he spenton romand and he said, I mean,
this, this is you can't reallyHe said to stuff that he wanted

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to die to be with his daughter. I mean that's a bit ironic,
twat into so for so long,several weeks up until when he when he
died, he existed on just threeliters of orange reduced today. Refused all
food now because he was deemed ashe you know, he wasn't mentally unwell,
he wasn't under any Yeah, theycouldn't force feed him. He preaches

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human rights. You know, itwas his choice, wasn't it. Absolutely
so. But it's just on tillthough, is there not a thing of
like ontil it's to the point where, yeah, I don't know if the
point that if he you know thathe's needing immediate hospital care to save his

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life and doesn't have the capacity anymorebecause he's unconscious or whatever. So I
mean it's difficult the actual ins andarts. Yeah, I mean obviously they
would have the there have been severalconsultants involved in this. I've gotten a
whole legal team as well. Yeah, the NHS tros absolutely. Yeah,
but he's very hard to stomach.That meant it that he kind of took

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control then he avoided trial, avoidedany punishment. I mean, you see
it a lot though. Remember wedid an episode on the craigsist killer Markoff
and it was the same thing.Yeah, I mean Brady tried this,
didn't he one of the most murderers. He and Brady? But because he

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was where was he was a broadmore? Wasn't he near near Liverpool? He
was force fed because he was likeyeah, so yeah, that's not all
I'd want to die. No,but mack well, now another thought.
That's a very slow like process.It's a slow process. It's not as

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slow as serving, that's true.So Rogers eventually succeeded in his aim of
killing himself, and he died onthe sixth of marriage two thousand and six,
the cause of death being pneumonia causedin power by malnutrition. He never
fully explained as to what happened theday of Channel's murder and why he carried

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it out. It was clearly acold blooded murder and a shooting in which
he shot her a total of fourtimes with a double barreled shotgun, therefore
having to reload for the last twoshots. Well that's isn't it. You
know, It's not like it's notjust like a shot at once. Yeah,
it would have shot her obviously,double barrel to two shot her twice

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and actually at the time to reloadit again and then shot it again.
Crazy, you know, but hedid own up to doing it. He
just never explained why. Yeah.But as we've said to start with,
it was deminish responsibility, wasn't it. Yeah, well that's what he was
wanted. Yeah. Yeah, butI didn't know what would do it,
you know, I wasn't in.Yeah. So Roger's ex wife, Chanelle's
mom said that Roger's head cheated justiceand took the coward's weight out. Yeah.

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I mean he was ex wife bybecause he died. Yeah, it
was March two thousand and six.Yeah, so by that time she would
have obviously made her in the daughterher daughter. Yea. So we hope
you've enjoyed this episode. Um well, I mean it's a it's a you
know, it's true crime, isn'tit. But that's not to say we

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don't give a shit about the people, because when you start researching something,
you know, you read a bitabout, you eat quite a bit about
the person and what they wanted.And on this one, you know,
Lee Shell's husband was like, youknow, she would have been a brilliant
one. You know, we spokeabout kids, she wanted children and and
all this and it's just so sad, isn't it now? I mean it's

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like what sixteen years well, it'ssomething you're never gonna I wondered did he
remarry and still I don't know.I don't think he did well or you
know, it's just is okay.Yeah, yeah, So thank you very
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