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You won’t believe the twists and turns in Julie Moya’s life, especially when it comes to her uncanny, 13-year cycle of arrests in 2005 and 2018. With insights from the Em Vaughn, Julie walks us through the gripping details: being besieged by the FBI, a frantic warning from her son, and a friend’s ill-fated attempt to retrieve a crucial laptop. Facing a staggering 57-count indictment, she shares the legal battles of someone deeply entrenched in the brothel business. We dive into the personal and financial wreckage left in the wake of these trials, the emotional strain on family members, and the clever maneuvers employed to dodge undercover cops.
Finally, we discuss the gritty world of incarceration, from the notorious Rikers Island to the more pastoral Beacon Correctional Facility. Julie shares her paradoxical experiences of finding moments of ‘fun’ amidst the chaos—contraband smuggling and all—while also facing dehumanizing searches and rough treatment from correctional officers. This is a candid reflection on maintaining humanity within the harsh confines of the prison system, and the small victories that keep the spirit alive.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
But you know it was all over a judge that was coming
to my place.
He's a Supreme Court judge andhe was with an underage girl
that had been hired there, whichI did not know.
She was underage.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
You're listening to Madam, a podcast about Julie
Moya and New York City's mostfamous brothel.
Hi everyone and welcome to thelatest episode of Madam the
podcast.
My name is Ben Skye and sittingacross from me, as always, is
the divine Ms Em Vaughn.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Hey y'all.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
So, again, it's been a little bit since our last
episode came out, but we've beenputting together something
special.
So, em, what are we going to betalking about in this episode
of Madam?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Today, our episode is going to focus on Julie's
arrest.
She's had three arrests so farone in 92, one in 2005, and then
one in 2018.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Now listeners can hear about that first arrest in
92 in episode three of ourpodcast, where we talk about
Julie's life prior to runningher own brothel.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
But the other two arrests is what we're going to
be talking about today.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So in a previous episode we talked about how the
police and Julie sort of formeda pseudo alliance.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Previously they had had immunity.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Because Julie helped the cops catch some bad guys who
were robbing businesses posingas police.
But something changed and thecops, for some reason or another
, turned on her in 2005.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
She had talked about her time in Rikers.
When she was talking about hertime in Rikers, they were about
13 years apart from each otherand they were really completely
different experiences for her.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
How the prison had changed over time, so let's,
without further ado, go to theconversation with Julie and Em.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I was 92 when I was arrested for the three kilos and
I only had one kilo on me, butyou know it was conspiracy for
three, right?
I came back from Argentina andI knew the Colombians, so I was
trying to impress these peoplelike, oh, I could get three
kilos, sure Little did I haveany idea that they were setting
me up.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
But so your second arrest was in 2005?
.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Five and then the next one was 2018.
2018.
Okay, every 13 years, I noticedwhen I counted.
I didn't realize it and Ilooked at it and said wait a
minute, this is every 13 years,from 92, it's 2005, 2018.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Whoa.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Isn't that weird?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
That's very weird.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
What do you think that's about?
I don't know.
Do you feel like you can talkabout that?
What happened in 2005?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, I was just having lunch, you know, and the
San Juan Hotel was on NinthAvenue and just relaxing me and
my son, my maid.
We were just sitting therehaving lunch and all of a sudden
I started calling my housedidn't answer, the places didn't
answer, and it was like I can'texplain what came on to me.
It was a horrible feeling.
(03:04):
And then I put my coat on withthe maid and we walked over to
49th Street and we seen the FBI,the police, you know, like
running in and out, and I walkedright by them and it was so
cold that day and I was like ohmy God.
And then my son was going onhis way to work and you know he
had left, and I was like, oh myGod.
And then my son was going onhis way to work, and you know he
(03:25):
had left, and I called him.
I said, jerry, you know we'rehaving a problem.
I think something happened.
He went to get my Escalade outof the garage and the garage guy
looked at him like don't, don'tdo it, you know, because they
were there, I mean, but so manypeople in jail, even a couple of
customers, I think one of themwas an attorney that negotiated
(03:45):
for hostages and stuff.
Another one too is that a guythat worked in one of those
stores phone stores we weregetting apartments.
He would give us good creditpeople and get apartments.
Our friend got apartments likethat from him but he was a
terrorist and we didn't knowthat, right, yeah, and he got
(04:06):
arrested with my laptop, um, andwhen they found out who he was
and he was involved you know theworld trade center stuff and
all that you know, yes, go ahead.
But I didn't know who that guywas.
He was just a nice guy that Iknew.
I had no idea that he was mixedup in that.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
He was helping you get, he was selling us credit.
Credit.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
ID people.
They would ID to go to myphones.
They used to run your creditwhen you went in and all that.
Who knew?
Yeah, absolutely, you meetpeople, you talk.
He actually ended up doingsecurity a couple of times.
That's how he got my laptop.
Matter of fact, my friend wentto the precinct to try to get a
(04:53):
laptop back in Mignola and endedup getting arrested.
And my friend was Indian, sothey thought that he was like
they had an orange alert.
They used the orange alert sothey didn't have to do a
conventional search or some kindof search that they do, so they
were allowed to just go throughhis car and search it and
everything.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
It was crazy, that is crazy.
Well, they didn't catch me.
I finally turned myself in.
I ran I'm a runner, but notanymore.
I went to a hotel and was sodevastated I went to the bank
and grabbed out thousands ofdollars, I think like 30,000.
I grabbed out of the banks and Iwas just so upset I didn't know
(05:34):
what to do.
I was like, oh my God, what amI going to do?
And we just kind of floated alittle bit to hotels and stuff
and I called my mom and she'slike turn yourself in.
They've got some big sort ofwarrant for you where they could
shoot you and stuff, you know.
And I was like you know, shewas some kind of warrant in hand
, I don't know.
And I said you're kidding me.
(05:54):
She goes.
No, please turn yourself in,you know.
And then they thought I wasgoing to commit suicide.
I was like I'mks the cops whowas telling my mother talk to
your daughter.
Because my mom came right up assoon as it happened.
She was staying at my house inFreeport for a couple days to
get things and try to get thingstogether and stuff.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
The cops were trying to guilt her, pressure her.
She wouldn't give me up?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
She would not.
She knew what I was too.
She would not.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
But to put pressure on you to turn yourself in
instead of her giving you up.
She wouldn't do?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
They told her I think she's going to commit suicide
because now she's losteverything All of a sudden.
She had a lot of money, she hadeverything.
Now she's all gone and I wasthinking to myself I wouldn't
commit suicide.
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
They're just like manipulating your mom, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
But she couldn't be manipulated.
Yeah, crazy, they're just likemanipulating your mom.
Yeah, but she couldn't bemanipulated.
Yeah, absolutely yeah.
So I waited like maybe five orsix days and finally I felt bad
because they were holding people, security and stuff like that.
They made it seem like theywere holding until I turned
myself in.
So, I decided the hell with it.
I'll just turn myself in.
But you know it was all over ajudge that was coming to my
(07:04):
place.
He's a Supreme Court judge andhe was with an underage girl
that had been hired there, whichI did not know she was underage
.
We never hired underage girlsand we always ID'd them.
This girl had her sister's IDbecause she was a runaway.
I didn't realize.
She told me their mother threwher out and she was of age.
Blah, blah, blah.
(07:25):
My friend brought her to me andin the papers they said a pimp.
It was not a pimp, it was a kidnamed Eddie.
You know he was her boyfriend.
So it was like oh my God.
And she had been pregnant.
She had an abortion, you know.
She came to me.
She told her mother that shehad been kidnapped.
So her mother called the FBI.
Oh wow.
(07:47):
So immediately, you know,everything started going crazy
and the only reason I didn't runout to judge that had sex with
a 16-year-old because I was likeI seen how nasty this
prosecutor was.
His name was Shure was his name.
What a jerk off.
They said it would bring me tothe queen's chair, right, you
know that's what they call itwhen they want you to write.
Yeah, and he was like you know,right now you're the highest on
(08:10):
the totem pole.
If you give up the judge and weknow you have a judge then
we'll make a deal for you andblah, blah, blah.
You know what I'm saying Getout without like maybe a year or
two at the most.
And I was thinking I was likehell, no, I wouldn't do that to
that judge.
And I told him I'm not going todo that because the way you
portrayed me imagine a judgehe's got a family.
(08:31):
He didn't know the girl wasunderage, he had no idea.
Yeah, so I would not.
I wouldn't give him his name.
The judge helped us in court onetime.
He helped my son in court withsome bullshit.
Was this before or after?
Way before I think it wasbefore he was on the Supreme
(08:52):
Court Way before he helped uswith something.
He came many, many years.
I thought about all that and Iwas like I'm not going to do
this to this man.
They were so pissed off at meabout not giving that judge up.
Yeah, he even threatened to goto Ohio and pick my son, tommy
up, you know, who had worked forme in the past as security.
(09:15):
And then the charges sort ofjust dropped.
I had 57 count indictment andit all just dropped down to
promoting you know, because itwas the truth.
It was.
They couldn't you know.
Even in court they made it.
They said we're going to giveyou this much and do this.
But if you happen to say againin there that you didn't have a
vergence or that you're we will,we'll stop it, but that you
(09:36):
didn't have aversion or thatyou're we will stop it.
But I did it anyway.
Yeah, in the sentencing it wasin the paper that I yelled and
said there were no Russianversions.
All that you know was lies.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah yeah, you were denying the trafficking charges.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I said Julie's American is apple pie, Just a
good brothel with great businessand we had really great
business.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
We were just a good brothel with great business and
we had really great business.
We were known everywhere, right, but there, you know,
unfortunately, like with theunderage girls, and of course it
wasn't intentional, but youknow it didn't happen, yeah, but
it was real, it was real, yeah.
So I mean, and that was bad,yeah um, yeah, that was really
bad hey y'all, this is mv.
I'm excited to make thisannouncement For our Patreon
subscribers we are giving away aprint of Julie's artwork.
(10:23):
As you know, julie has spenther life drawing, so we thought
we could show our appreciationto our Patreon subscribers by
sending you some of Julie'sartwork Once you have subscribed
.
We will reach out and getshipping information from you so
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Um, I would love to get yoursupport on patreon.
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(10:44):
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Speaker 1 (11:03):
Oh, and the bleaker arrest.
Oh my God, that was the worst,because and I lose my animals
every time.
So I'm not going to haveanimals anymore, because what I
stand for with animals happensto my animals, like twice, three
times.
So that's it for me In 2018,I'm raising my grandson.
(11:23):
I'm sitting at home.
I don't even go to the placehardly.
I'm bleaker Only Saturdaynights to party or hang out or
whatever I get after hours.
Right.
I'm sitting at home with mygrandson in the summer and they
come to the door with a searchwarrant, guns drawn, almost shot
my dog.
It was just a bad situation.
It really caused my grandson tohave problems.
(11:43):
After that, he got sent down toMissouri, where it was a really
bad situation for him.
I literally almost wanted todie that day because of that
little boy.
You know what I mean.
I was like, oh my, my god, Ijust couldn't believe it
happened again what were theaccounts that they arrested you
on?
(12:03):
it was just promotingprostitution and uh, and it was
a d felony.
But they were hell-bent becauseI've been arrested before, so I
can just whatever little thingI get can be made into something
you know more.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And, like in the 2005 thing, you had kind of like a
buildup.
Then the 2018 thing.
Do you know what?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I don't know what the hell that was from.
I still you know it wassomething that they were told
that wasn't real too, becausethe man who got me on him was
trying to get me on a bill.
They didn't let him.
It was Tom, my friend, andsomebody had told that had
called the FBI and said that mymoney was going through his
family's investment company.
So you know, someone reallycalled, made lots of calls and
(12:45):
started a big investigation andyou know what they did.
They didn't get any arrests.
They could not get in therebecause we have a check at the
door that you could not get in.
If you're a cop you're notcoming past the threshold.
You know, when a guy came in hehad to pull his cock out and
the girl kissed it.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
So you just they come in and you're like cocks out.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
They're like hey, we have a special handshake for you
, right?
And if he would not do it andcops would not do that, they
would not let you touch them.
They would not do it and copswould not do that.
They will not let you touchthem.
They will not let their peniscome out.
It's totally against the law.
So that is a they even said inone of the papers that I was
reading they had an impenetrabletechnique.
You can't get through that.
(13:30):
So what they did?
They got phone towers, textmessages and all that instead.
And if I would have had a goodlawyer, I would have beat all
that stuff, but I didn't, and Ijust kind of just sat in jail
for over a year before I wentupstate.
They didn't arrest anybody,only me, that was it.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Something that I didn't realize is that when
you're, when you're arrested,they take your assets.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, so you had homes, you had properties.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah they always do everything, but in 2018, I
didn't have any property.
You know I did not.
I made sure I did not and madesure I didn't have much money
here.
And you know it was differentthis time.
I learned, but at the same time, you know, it was like shocking
that it happened.
And you know something funnythat happened before that the
day before, I seen these cops upthe street and they were
(14:24):
walking around.
I'm like what's going on?
Oh, there was a robbery.
You don't have cameras in frontof your house, do you?
They said, because we're tryingto see if maybe you caught
something on film.
And I'm like, oh my God, andthat hit me too.
On bill, and I'm like, oh mygod, and that hit me too.
There was no robbery.
They were trying to make sure Ididn't have cameras when they
came.
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Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, when I was in Rikers I met a lot of people
that I knew in there Strange,yeah how was going to Rikers
that time, was it, or I guess?
more upstate Second time.
Oh God, it was real differentBecause Rikers before was more
open.
You know a lot of stuff went on.
Sex was going on there with theCOs and everything.
(15:32):
You know COs would come and um,bring things for the girls if
you had sex with them, stufflike that.
So I had sex with you know acouple of them for the girls,
cigarettes and stuff like thatand it was terrible and I was a
lookout and you know they werelike oh, watch out for us.
You know, while we fuck thegirls and girls, I mean the
girls are down with it, but it'sstill considered rape.
(15:54):
I found out.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, no matter what, even if you were not forced.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
It's still considered rape.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yeah, because there's obviously a huge power dynamic
at play.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, as a matter of fact, I'm in on this lawsuit for
women that were abused in jailIn 2018, they'd kind of Things
are real different.
They have cameras everywhere nowand, oh, you can't wear your
street clothes anymore, uniformsit was just very, very
different, very different.
Rikers Island actually was funin 2005 at some point.
(16:28):
You know if you said are fun,you know, just like the sags and
all the craziness and you knowthe partying when nobody knew
you know, knew, you know drugsand everything.
Seals would bring stuff in.
It was just, you know, a lot offun.
Like we would get together andjust throw, throw crazy.
I mean just bang on the bar,just crazy stuff, just really
(16:48):
silly stuff that we would dojust to let our you know,
inhibitions out and stuff likethat.
Or all the girls would take alltheir clothes off while a cock
on the block, a man on the block, was walking down just on
purpose.
You know what I mean?
Just crazy shit like that.
That was fun.
Or bringing alcohol Somebodywould bring alcohol or drugs or
(17:09):
even food.
They would sneak food in andstuff like that to us and, of
course, you'd have sex with foodand girls would, because all
you get is the same horriblestuff every day.
So anything it's like whenyou're in here.
It's like anything.
You can't go to buy a soda atthe store.
You can't just decide you wantto pick up your cell phone.
(17:29):
It's like you're just blockedoff from everywhere.
You have no freedom, none, andyou're treated like really bad.
I mean, you're sleeping in yourcell and all of a sudden you'll
come in and in the middle ofthe night and they just like,
okay, get up against the wall.
And then they, you know, takeall your clothes off, they check
you and then you stand outsidewith your stuff.
(17:50):
You know, they put your stuffback on, stand outside with your
mattress and they teareverything in the cell apart.
They would just do it on likerandom, every couple nights.
The lights would go on and herethey come and they were nasty
and rude and, you know, forcefuland just horrible.
Even in 2018 they were.
They do those searches and allthat Stuff you have.
(18:12):
You don't have a lot, butlittle stuff.
That means anything.
They'll throw it out.
Rip it up Stuff like that, theyshould do away with jails.
I mean, if it's somethinghorrible crime, you know little
things that people are in therefor is shocking.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
And it's like the other thing is maybe a belief
that some people have that, oh,we're trying to reform them in
jail or like give them some sortof education.
But no that's not what's goingon.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
The only ones that can really get the reform are
the ones that are lifers andstuff.
When you get up to BedfordHills they get college and stuff
like that.
But if you're not there formany years.
You're not going to happen.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
That's very frustrating, because how are you
?
That's the thing is like yourbody is confined.
So what do you do with yourmind?
The human mind goes crazy inthat situation.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, it's just a lot of time that's empty, you know,
and the days seem really long.
It's weird because the firstthing you start to go over is
why am I here, you know.
Then you start to look atRikers Island.
It's almost like we ran ourplace, you know.
You had the managers, you know.
It was weird, you know, justlooking at things like in all
different ways.
(19:24):
Then, for Marker's Island, Iwent to Bedford Hills.
Then I went to another one,beacon, and I was working with
cows.
That was the best, mosthappiest time in jail, really.
Yeah, I worked on the farm inBeacon where they bring the baby
calves in the bulls that theyusually kill.
They would bring them in andwe'd feed them.
(19:47):
You know, they had little hutsand stuff like that.
I felt sorry for them really, onchains and stuff.
But you try to make their lifelike you know, feed them and
stuff.
And then the worst part of itwas I was burning their horns.
I was like, oh God, and youknow putting those damn rubber
bands around their balls.
You know, god, and you knowputting those damn rubber bands
(20:07):
around their balls.
You know, I've hated to see that, that, but at least they lived,
you know, and the otherprisoners.
That's the only time I almostgot into like physical things
because you know I wanted theirhuts to be really, you know,
taken out and stuff like that.
You know this old hay and stufflike that.
And they were like, fuck that,this is jail, fuck those cows.
And I was like, know, I waslike, because I love animals,
you know they were real mean tothem and I was like not having
(20:30):
it.
You know what I mean.
So they hated me because, likethis is jail.
You know what the fuck do youcare for?
And I was like, well, maybethey're only going to live 20
after that, but still, you know,yeah, to give them a chance.
But it was nice working with it.
I've never been on a farm likethat in my life.
It was a real nice experience.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
How long did you do that?
Do you remember About a year?
Speaker 1 (20:53):
You didn't get paid for it, it was just they pay you
like 24 cents an hour upstate.
It's like nothing, there's nomoney out, but you have to have
a job upstate, you have to.
So to me that was the best oneto have.
And then they made me the Aperson, which meant that I was
in charge of the cows and stufflike that, until someone ratted
(21:15):
me out.
He said she doesn't have anhigh school education.
Fuck you, I know so.
Then he said you know what I'mstill going to make you the A
person, I know so.
Then he said you know what I'mstill going to make you the A
person Because he knew I tookgood care of the cows, the
farmer they bring in a farmerand all that stuff over there.
And I told him this is justlike.
I know don't take this literal,but when I first looked at that
I was like I told the farmer Iwas like, look, I'm a crazy, I'm
(22:03):
sure.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
And of course, the star of our show is the madam
herself, julie Moya.
Thanks for listening.
We'll see you next time, you.
But you know it was all over a judge that was coming
to my place.
He's a Supreme Court judge andhe was with an underage girl
that had been hired there, whichI did not know.
She was underage.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
You're listening to Madam, a podcast about Julie
Moya and New York City's mostfamous brothel.
Hi everyone and welcome to thelatest episode of Madam the
podcast.
My name is Ben Skye and sittingacross from me, as always, is
the divine Ms Em Vaughn.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Hey y'all.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
So, again, it's been a little bit since our last
episode came out, but we've beenputting together something
special.
So, em, what are we going to betalking about in this episode
of Madam?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Today, our episode is going to focus on Julie's
arrest.
She's had three arrests so farone in 92, one in 2005, and then
one in 2018.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Now listeners can hear about that first arrest in
92 in episode three of ourpodcast, where we talk about
Julie's life prior to runningher own brothel.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
But the other two arrests is what we're going to
be talking about today.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So in a previous episode we talked about how the
police and Julie sort of formeda pseudo alliance.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Previously they had had immunity.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Because Julie helped the cops catch some bad guys who
were robbing businesses posingas police.
But something changed and thecops, for some reason or another
, turned on her in 2005.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
She had talked about her time in Rikers.
When she was talking about hertime in Rikers, they were about
13 years apart from each otherand they were really completely
different experiences for her.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
How the prison had changed over time, so let's,
without further ado, go to theconversation with Julie and Em.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I was 92 when I was arrested for the three kilos and
I only had one kilo on me, butyou know it was conspiracy for
three, right?
I came back from Argentina andI knew the Colombians, so I was
trying to impress these peoplelike, oh, I could get three
kilos, sure Little did I haveany idea that they were setting
me up.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
But so your second arrest was in 2005?
.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Five and then the next one was 2018.
2018.
Okay, every 13 years, I noticedwhen I counted.
I didn't realize it and Ilooked at it and said wait a
minute, this is every 13 years,from 92, it's 2005, 2018.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Whoa.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Isn't that weird?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
That's very weird.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
What do you think that's about?
I don't know.
Do you feel like you can talkabout that?
What happened in 2005?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, I was just having lunch, you know, and the
San Juan Hotel was on NinthAvenue and just relaxing me and
my son, my maid.
We were just sitting therehaving lunch and all of a sudden
I started calling my housedidn't answer, the places didn't
answer, and it was like I can'texplain what came on to me.
It was a horrible feeling.
(03:04):
And then I put my coat on withthe maid and we walked over to
49th Street and we seen the FBI,the police, you know, like
running in and out, and I walkedright by them and it was so
cold that day and I was like ohmy God.
And then my son was going onhis way to work and you know he
had left, and I was like, oh myGod.
And then my son was going onhis way to work, and you know he
(03:25):
had left, and I called him.
I said, jerry, you know we'rehaving a problem.
I think something happened.
He went to get my Escalade outof the garage and the garage guy
looked at him like don't, don'tdo it, you know, because they
were there, I mean, but so manypeople in jail, even a couple of
customers, I think one of themwas an attorney that negotiated
(03:45):
for hostages and stuff.
Another one too is that a guythat worked in one of those
stores phone stores we weregetting apartments.
He would give us good creditpeople and get apartments.
Our friend got apartments likethat from him but he was a
terrorist and we didn't knowthat, right, yeah, and he got
(04:06):
arrested with my laptop, um, andwhen they found out who he was
and he was involved you know theworld trade center stuff and
all that you know, yes, go ahead.
But I didn't know who that guywas.
He was just a nice guy that Iknew.
I had no idea that he was mixedup in that.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
He was helping you get, he was selling us credit.
Credit.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
ID people.
They would ID to go to myphones.
They used to run your creditwhen you went in and all that.
Who knew?
Yeah, absolutely, you meetpeople, you talk.
He actually ended up doingsecurity a couple of times.
That's how he got my laptop.
Matter of fact, my friend wentto the precinct to try to get a
(04:53):
laptop back in Mignola and endedup getting arrested.
And my friend was Indian, sothey thought that he was like
they had an orange alert.
They used the orange alert sothey didn't have to do a
conventional search or some kindof search that they do, so they
were allowed to just go throughhis car and search it and
everything.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
It was crazy, that is crazy.
Well, they didn't catch me.
I finally turned myself in.
I ran I'm a runner, but notanymore.
I went to a hotel and was sodevastated I went to the bank
and grabbed out thousands ofdollars, I think like 30,000.
I grabbed out of the banks and Iwas just so upset I didn't know
(05:34):
what to do.
I was like, oh my God, what amI going to do?
And we just kind of floated alittle bit to hotels and stuff
and I called my mom and she'slike turn yourself in.
They've got some big sort ofwarrant for you where they could
shoot you and stuff, you know.
And I was like you know, shewas some kind of warrant in hand
, I don't know.
And I said you're kidding me.
(05:54):
She goes.
No, please turn yourself in,you know.
And then they thought I wasgoing to commit suicide.
I was like I'mks the cops whowas telling my mother talk to
your daughter.
Because my mom came right up assoon as it happened.
She was staying at my house inFreeport for a couple days to
get things and try to get thingstogether and stuff.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
The cops were trying to guilt her, pressure her.
She wouldn't give me up?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
She would not.
She knew what I was too.
She would not.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
But to put pressure on you to turn yourself in
instead of her giving you up.
She wouldn't do?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
They told her I think she's going to commit suicide
because now she's losteverything All of a sudden.
She had a lot of money, she hadeverything.
Now she's all gone and I wasthinking to myself I wouldn't
commit suicide.
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
They're just like manipulating your mom, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
But she couldn't be manipulated.
Yeah, crazy, they're just likemanipulating your mom.
Yeah, but she couldn't bemanipulated.
Yeah, absolutely yeah.
So I waited like maybe five orsix days and finally I felt bad
because they were holding people, security and stuff like that.
They made it seem like theywere holding until I turned
myself in.
So, I decided the hell with it.
I'll just turn myself in.
But you know it was all over ajudge that was coming to my
(07:04):
place.
He's a Supreme Court judge andhe was with an underage girl
that had been hired there, whichI did not know she was underage
.
We never hired underage girlsand we always ID'd them.
This girl had her sister's IDbecause she was a runaway.
I didn't realize.
She told me their mother threwher out and she was of age.
Blah, blah, blah.
(07:25):
My friend brought her to me andin the papers they said a pimp.
It was not a pimp, it was a kidnamed Eddie.
You know he was her boyfriend.
So it was like oh my God.
And she had been pregnant.
She had an abortion, you know.
She came to me.
She told her mother that shehad been kidnapped.
So her mother called the FBI.
Oh wow.
(07:47):
So immediately, you know,everything started going crazy
and the only reason I didn't runout to judge that had sex with
a 16-year-old because I was likeI seen how nasty this
prosecutor was.
His name was Shure was his name.
What a jerk off.
They said it would bring me tothe queen's chair, right, you
know that's what they call itwhen they want you to write.
Yeah, and he was like you know,right now you're the highest on
(08:10):
the totem pole.
If you give up the judge and weknow you have a judge then
we'll make a deal for you andblah, blah, blah.
You know what I'm saying Getout without like maybe a year or
two at the most.
And I was thinking I was likehell, no, I wouldn't do that to
that judge.
And I told him I'm not going todo that because the way you
portrayed me imagine a judgehe's got a family.
(08:31):
He didn't know the girl wasunderage, he had no idea.
Yeah, so I would not.
I wouldn't give him his name.
The judge helped us in court onetime.
He helped my son in court withsome bullshit.
Was this before or after?
Way before I think it wasbefore he was on the Supreme
(08:52):
Court Way before he helped uswith something.
He came many, many years.
I thought about all that and Iwas like I'm not going to do
this to this man.
They were so pissed off at meabout not giving that judge up.
Yeah, he even threatened to goto Ohio and pick my son, tommy
up, you know, who had worked forme in the past as security.
(09:15):
And then the charges sort ofjust dropped.
I had 57 count indictment andit all just dropped down to
promoting you know, because itwas the truth.
It was.
They couldn't you know.
Even in court they made it.
They said we're going to giveyou this much and do this.
But if you happen to say againin there that you didn't have a
vergence or that you're we will,we'll stop it, but that you
(09:36):
didn't have aversion or thatyou're we will stop it.
But I did it anyway.
Yeah, in the sentencing it wasin the paper that I yelled and
said there were no Russianversions.
All that you know was lies.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah yeah, you were denying the trafficking charges.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I said Julie's American is apple pie, Just a
good brothel with great businessand we had really great
business.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
We were just a good brothel with great business and
we had really great business.
We were known everywhere, right, but there, you know,
unfortunately, like with theunderage girls, and of course it
wasn't intentional, but youknow it didn't happen, yeah, but
it was real, it was real, yeah.
So I mean, and that was bad,yeah um, yeah, that was really
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Speaker 1 (11:03):
Oh, and the bleaker arrest.
Oh my God, that was the worst,because and I lose my animals
every time.
So I'm not going to haveanimals anymore, because what I
stand for with animals happensto my animals, like twice, three
times.
So that's it for me In 2018,I'm raising my grandson.
(11:23):
I'm sitting at home.
I don't even go to the placehardly.
I'm bleaker Only Saturdaynights to party or hang out or
whatever I get after hours.
Right.
I'm sitting at home with mygrandson in the summer and they
come to the door with a searchwarrant, guns drawn, almost shot
my dog.
It was just a bad situation.
It really caused my grandson tohave problems.
(11:43):
After that, he got sent down toMissouri, where it was a really
bad situation for him.
I literally almost wanted todie that day because of that
little boy.
You know what I mean.
I was like, oh my, my god, Ijust couldn't believe it
happened again what were theaccounts that they arrested you
on?
(12:03):
it was just promotingprostitution and uh, and it was
a d felony.
But they were hell-bent becauseI've been arrested before, so I
can just whatever little thingI get can be made into something
you know more.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And, like in the 2005 thing, you had kind of like a
buildup.
Then the 2018 thing.
Do you know what?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I don't know what the hell that was from.
I still you know it wassomething that they were told
that wasn't real too, becausethe man who got me on him was
trying to get me on a bill.
They didn't let him.
It was Tom, my friend, andsomebody had told that had
called the FBI and said that mymoney was going through his
family's investment company.
So you know, someone reallycalled, made lots of calls and
(12:45):
started a big investigation andyou know what they did.
They didn't get any arrests.
They could not get in therebecause we have a check at the
door that you could not get in.
If you're a cop you're notcoming past the threshold.
You know, when a guy came in hehad to pull his cock out and
the girl kissed it.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
So you just they come in and you're like cocks out.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
They're like hey, we have a special handshake for you
, right?
And if he would not do it andcops would not do that, they
would not let you touch them.
They would not do it and copswould not do that.
They will not let you touchthem.
They will not let their peniscome out.
It's totally against the law.
So that is a they even said inone of the papers that I was
reading they had an impenetrabletechnique.
You can't get through that.
(13:30):
So what they did?
They got phone towers, textmessages and all that instead.
And if I would have had a goodlawyer, I would have beat all
that stuff, but I didn't, and Ijust kind of just sat in jail
for over a year before I wentupstate.
They didn't arrest anybody,only me, that was it.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Something that I didn't realize is that when
you're, when you're arrested,they take your assets.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, so you had homes, you had properties.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah they always do everything, but in 2018, I
didn't have any property.
You know I did not.
I made sure I did not and madesure I didn't have much money
here.
And you know it was differentthis time.
I learned, but at the same time, you know, it was like shocking
that it happened.
And you know something funnythat happened before that the
day before, I seen these cops upthe street and they were
(14:24):
walking around.
I'm like what's going on?
Oh, there was a robbery.
You don't have cameras in frontof your house, do you?
They said, because we're tryingto see if maybe you caught
something on film.
And I'm like, oh my God, andthat hit me too.
On bill, and I'm like, oh mygod, and that hit me too.
There was no robbery.
They were trying to make sure Ididn't have cameras when they
came.
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Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, when I was in Rikers I met a lot of people
that I knew in there Strange,yeah how was going to Rikers
that time, was it, or I guess?
more upstate Second time.
Oh God, it was real differentBecause Rikers before was more
open.
You know a lot of stuff went on.
Sex was going on there with theCOs and everything.
(15:32):
You know COs would come and um,bring things for the girls if
you had sex with them, stufflike that.
So I had sex with you know acouple of them for the girls,
cigarettes and stuff like thatand it was terrible and I was a
lookout and you know they werelike oh, watch out for us.
You know, while we fuck thegirls and girls, I mean the
girls are down with it, but it'sstill considered rape.
(15:54):
I found out.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, no matter what, even if you were not forced.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
It's still considered rape.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yeah, because there's obviously a huge power dynamic
at play.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, as a matter of fact, I'm in on this lawsuit for
women that were abused in jailIn 2018, they'd kind of Things
are real different.
They have cameras everywhere nowand, oh, you can't wear your
street clothes anymore, uniformsit was just very, very
different, very different.
Rikers Island actually was funin 2005 at some point.
(16:28):
You know if you said are fun,you know, just like the sags and
all the craziness and you knowthe partying when nobody knew
you know, knew, you know drugsand everything.
Seals would bring stuff in.
It was just, you know, a lot offun.
Like we would get together andjust throw, throw crazy.
I mean just bang on the bar,just crazy stuff, just really
(16:48):
silly stuff that we would dojust to let our you know,
inhibitions out and stuff likethat.
Or all the girls would take alltheir clothes off while a cock
on the block, a man on the block, was walking down just on
purpose.
You know what I mean?
Just crazy shit like that.
That was fun.
Or bringing alcohol Somebodywould bring alcohol or drugs or
(17:09):
even food.
They would sneak food in andstuff like that to us and, of
course, you'd have sex with foodand girls would, because all
you get is the same horriblestuff every day.
So anything it's like whenyou're in here.
It's like anything.
You can't go to buy a soda atthe store.
You can't just decide you wantto pick up your cell phone.
(17:29):
It's like you're just blockedoff from everywhere.
You have no freedom, none, andyou're treated like really bad.
I mean, you're sleeping in yourcell and all of a sudden you'll
come in and in the middle ofthe night and they just like,
okay, get up against the wall.
And then they, you know, takeall your clothes off, they check
you and then you stand outsidewith your stuff.
(17:50):
You know, they put your stuffback on, stand outside with your
mattress and they teareverything in the cell apart.
They would just do it on likerandom, every couple nights.
The lights would go on and herethey come and they were nasty
and rude and, you know, forcefuland just horrible.
Even in 2018 they were.
They do those searches and allthat Stuff you have.
(18:12):
You don't have a lot, butlittle stuff.
That means anything.
They'll throw it out.
Rip it up Stuff like that, theyshould do away with jails.
I mean, if it's somethinghorrible crime, you know little
things that people are in therefor is shocking.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
And it's like the other thing is maybe a belief
that some people have that, oh,we're trying to reform them in
jail or like give them some sortof education.
But no that's not what's goingon.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
The only ones that can really get the reform are
the ones that are lifers andstuff.
When you get up to BedfordHills they get college and stuff
like that.
But if you're not there formany years.
You're not going to happen.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
That's very frustrating, because how are you
?
That's the thing is like yourbody is confined.
So what do you do with yourmind?
The human mind goes crazy inthat situation.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, it's just a lot of time that's empty, you know,
and the days seem really long.
It's weird because the firstthing you start to go over is
why am I here, you know.
Then you start to look atRikers Island.
It's almost like we ran ourplace, you know.
You had the managers, you know.
It was weird, you know, justlooking at things like in all
different ways.
(19:24):
Then, for Marker's Island, Iwent to Bedford Hills.
Then I went to another one,beacon, and I was working with
cows.
That was the best, mosthappiest time in jail, really.
Yeah, I worked on the farm inBeacon where they bring the baby
calves in the bulls that theyusually kill.
They would bring them in andwe'd feed them.
(19:47):
You know, they had little hutsand stuff like that.
I felt sorry for them really, onchains and stuff.
But you try to make their lifelike you know, feed them and
stuff.
And then the worst part of itwas I was burning their horns.
I was like, oh God, and youknow putting those damn rubber
bands around their balls.
You know, god, and you knowputting those damn rubber bands
(20:07):
around their balls.
You know, I've hated to see that, that, but at least they lived,
you know, and the otherprisoners.
That's the only time I almostgot into like physical things
because you know I wanted theirhuts to be really, you know,
taken out and stuff like that.
You know this old hay and stufflike that.
And they were like, fuck that,this is jail, fuck those cows.
And I was like, know, I waslike, because I love animals,
you know they were real mean tothem and I was like not having
(20:30):
it.
You know what I mean.
So they hated me because, likethis is jail.
You know what the fuck do youcare for?
And I was like, well, maybethey're only going to live 20
after that, but still, you know,yeah, to give them a chance.
But it was nice working with it.
I've never been on a farm likethat in my life.
It was a real nice experience.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
How long did you do that?
Do you remember About a year?
Speaker 1 (20:53):
You didn't get paid for it, it was just they pay you
like 24 cents an hour upstate.
It's like nothing, there's nomoney out, but you have to have
a job upstate, you have to.
So to me that was the best oneto have.
And then they made me the Aperson, which meant that I was
in charge of the cows and stufflike that, until someone ratted
(21:15):
me out.
He said she doesn't have anhigh school education.
Fuck you, I know so.
Then he said you know what I'mstill going to make you the A
person, I know so.
Then he said you know what I'mstill going to make you the A
person Because he knew I tookgood care of the cows, the
farmer they bring in a farmerand all that stuff over there.
And I told him this is justlike.
I know don't take this literal,but when I first looked at that
I was like I told the farmer Iwas like, look, I'm a crazy, I'm
(22:03):
sure.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
And of course, the star of our show is the madam
herself, julie Moya.
Thanks for listening.
We'll see you next time, you.
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