August 29, 2024 • 23 mins
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Julie and Em discuss the characters that Julie has come across in her work over the decades. Discussion includes some good characters like her business partners, Lucas, Gigi and Jonathan. But the discussion also includes lots of bad characters like a scamming phone lady and a demanding mob associate. Julie also tells us just how effective a mustache disguise can be when worn during apartment hunting and court cases! Also, featuring Julie’s longtime friend Billy “Dollar Bill” Mersey and his involvement with Jeffery Epstien’s death.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
If you don't give me my money, if you don't give me
my money, I'm going to come toyour house every day and harass
your clientele walking in, andyou know that is like concerning
, but I'm like this fuckingasshole, you know.
Then I said I'm going to likesuccumb to this.
I'm not going to let him.
I've been through this many atime before here comes another
one.
This guy was good this time,though.
Hey y 94.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Here comes another one, this guy was good.
This time though, hey y'allthis is Imban and this is.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Ben Skye.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
And this is, madam, the Podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
What's this episode about today?
Well, this episode we're goingto be letting Julie tell us a
lot about the people that she'sknown throughout her career as a
madam and sex worker the good,the bad and the ugly.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yes, Julie and her decades of work in NYC has come
across a real mixed bag ofpeople and we will hear about
them today in the episode.
Some good, some bad, but reallyhumans are just complicated and
so is this work and that reallyshows in this episode You're
(01:05):
going to hear things aboutJeffrey Epstein's death, what
really happened.
How fake mustaches are integralto the operation of a brothel
and the connected community thatran the sex work industry in
New York City in the early 90s.
Because of all the manycharacters that Julia has run
(01:25):
into in her career, we're goingto have to divide this episode
up into two parts, so this isthe first part.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
We talk a lot about people you've obviously met
working in the industry andwe're looking back on the
writing that you did as well andsome of the notable people that
you wrote about then and alsowith the last episode we were
talking about Gigi, we weretalking about Lucas, and so I
(02:04):
guess, in particular for thosepeople kind of you know, they're
very interesting, like, givethem some background and so is
that something you're full with,and then of course also people
that will try to screw you overand you know I don't know about
the Ryan thing.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
This is a new episode .
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah.
So, your mind yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
So a guy comes in, sees one of the girls that is
usually sometimes problematic,you know, emotional, and he has
a bad session with her.
So he calls me and I'm like, ohmy God, I'm so sorry, come back
in and I'm going to offer you afree session with someone else.
So he comes in, sees anothergirl and he goes.
(02:47):
You know, I could paint thisplace for you, I could help you,
I could do a lot of things foryou if you want, because this is
.
You know, I see a lot of likeyou know you need a little help.
And I was like, wow, what anice guy.
So he just starts coming overwith paints, coming up with all
kinds of toys I mean he saidthat he's in the toy business
and has a warehouse.
So I'm like, wow, what a niceperson.
He starts doing a lot of thingsfor us, you know, even cleaning
(03:10):
up the yard out in back of me,just everything.
You know.
You know he wants to give melittle ideas.
I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah,that's nice of you.
You know I'm just kind ofjing-jing, gives me all kinds of
ideas.
And all of a sudden you knowI'm a little low on girls he's
like let me bring a few girlsthat I know.
I know a couple of girls.
So I said, wow, that's reallynice.
Just, you know, maybe a littlecommission, you know, or
(03:33):
whatever.
And I'm like, okay.
So he brings this first girl hebrought.
She seemed nice, but then Irealized she was like on drugs,
like badly on drugs, and I waslike, oh, this is not a good
situation because you know, oneminute she's okay, the next
minute she's nuts and so highthat she can't even hardly walk,
and so that didn't work.
(03:53):
Then he brought another girl,was like totally a mess, said
you know what, this is notworking, it's just not working.
And he was like.
Then he got really upset and Isaid I'm sorry, I cannot have
these type of girls, I justcan't do it.
They're just not for me.
It's good, it's a badreputation.
And I gave him another place togo to bring him to work, right.
(04:13):
But I noticed, as thefriendship was forming, he
became very aggressive and hewas like, yeah, you know, I was
on the Mob Wives and I looked onthe series and he was on there,
you know.
So you know, he impressed me alittle bit.
I know all the mom guys and I'mlike, oh, wow, okay, cool,
that's nice, nice to know.
But then I realized that it waslike when I watched one episode
(04:34):
the cops were escorting him offthe property Because I don't
know what happened.
Him and Gavano's friends gotinto a big you know tip or
whatever.
So she's walking away on theshow and I'm like huh, does he
have a little bit of issues hereand there?
And then I hear Karen Gavanosay, oh, you know what, he's
(04:55):
gone now, he's not going to beback on the show.
And I was laughing and I saidoh, wow and something else.
But anyways, through all, thiswe get to this point and I tell
him that we can't work togetheranymore, and he gets wild and
crazy.
And I had a girl with me thatcame from England.
She went, you know, on her way.
She was worked in Vegas for alittle while too and she came
(05:16):
with me and of course he, youknow, pushed up on her with the
same story I'm going to make youa porno star.
I've got all these people thatare doing these porno movies and
you can be, like you know, aporno star.
So you know, she's gullible.
I mean, these girls need yourmoney and the bigger money.
They're like oh wow, you know,and they think you know what I'm
saying.
So she got excited, she wentwith him and I was really pissed
(05:38):
off.
Anyway, she went with him andof course she came right back.
She realized in a day or twothat it was a big drug party.
She said it's too much, toomuch.
She came back, so that was okay,but he's angry, calling me up,
telling me you owe me for thepainting.
And I'm like what I bought thepaint, you, you know is that we
worked all this out.
No, you owe me for this, youowe me for that If you don't
(05:59):
give me my money, I'm going tocome to your house every day and
harass your clientele walkingin, and you know that is like
concerning, but I'm like thisfucking asshole, you know.
Then I said I'm going to likesuccumb to this.
I'm not going to let him.
I've been through this manytimes before.
Here comes another one.
This guy was good this time,though, because he was real
(06:21):
friendly.
I even gave him a job as asecurity one day, on Saturday,
you know, but it's just so sad,and this is why it needs to be
legalized, because things likethis, you know it's so
aggravating because things likethis come up, you know, because
they know that you're sort oflike vulnerable to certain
situations.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Absolutely yeah, yeah .
And you're saying withlegalization, yeah it couldn't
be because's you know it's legal.
Right, someone would hold Ryanaccountable.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Of course, and Ryan wouldn't be able to stand in
front of a place because youcould have him taken out of
there.
Like, get the hell out of here.
You're ordering.
You know something like that.
I don't know how they'redealing with it, but whatever.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, it's not your business anymore.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Right, but I did notice he's putting a lot of
advertisements around and he'sreally, you know, god bless him.
If he's on his own, I reallydon't care, I just don't want
him with me.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
And so there's been a pattern in your past of people
they see the money, they seethat you're doing well, also,
off of it's not a legalizedpractice.
So it's like, well, what areyou going to call the cops?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
I've had them call and say if you don't give me
$10,000 within two days, I'mgoing to call 911 every chance I
get and send them to your house.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Stuff like that.
You know, for the people thatthreatened you either to you
know, hang out outside yourplace or call 911, did anybody
ever follow through on thosethreats and if so, how did you?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
deal with that?
Yes, I had a security that Ihired.
No, she was a phone person.
I hired her and when I let hergo she started standing in front
of my place this is years agotaking pictures of guys walking
to scare them.
It was like, oh my God, yeah,and so I had the security go out
and, you know, go after her.
But then that still didn't work.
(08:14):
So what I did was I found outwhere her mother lived and where
she lived, you know, justthrough friends that brought her
to me and went and talked toher mother and that seemed to
stop everything.
I sent some people to talk toher mother.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Oh shit, Damn.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Sometimes you got to fight fire with fire.
Yeah, I mean hey, I've evengone to a botanica and paid like
a couple thousand dollars toyou know to have someone you
know stay away Like a stone.
Yeah, like everybody else.
And it really worked to youknow to have someone you know
stay away.
Yeah, and it really works, yeah, it really really works.
Oh yeah, yeah, that worked.
(08:51):
I've done a lot of differentthings.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, what has been the best solution, best method
that you've?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
The best solution is, honestly, to get a couple of
people to confront that person,but nobody wants to go to that
point.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
But they're acting on the threats that they're making
.
Yeah, you have to do something,but they're acting on the
threats that they're making.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, you have to do something.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
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Speaker 1 (10:24):
Oh my God, this was Mary Beth, my phone girl in 2018
.
You know, my place got raided.
My phone girl was up in theapartment.
Cops are always like you know,they always miss something.
She had the phones on her whenthey went up to the phone
apartment and she's a big, shewas a big, heavy lady and I
(10:46):
guess she hid them on hersomewhere.
I don't know where she put her,but she hid them on her and she
got away with the phones, soshe just started the business
from there.
I'm just got arrested sittingin Rikers Island and she just
started answering my phones,opening up, rented some Airbnbs
and rocking and rolling.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Was she impersonating you?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yes, she was impersonating the place.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
She was impersonating the place.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
And they knew her because she was my phone girl.
Yeah, so I mean it was horrible.
Was my phone girl?
Yeah, so I mean it was horrible.
Um, I was sitting and she wastelling the girls all this is to
bail Julie out, this is to dohelp Julie, and all this.
But it was not.
It was not at all and the girlswere like happy to be there and
it was just a big scam.
And it's such a shame becauseshe literally ran those phones
(11:30):
to the ground within like acouple years.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Wow, where she took the phones, took your client
list, took advantage because youwere out Right, you were at
Rikers Yep and the girls werealso under the impression that
this was yeah for you and likeyou were okay with it.
Yes, it was just an extensionof the business.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, and it was like it was crazy and, like I said,
she destroyed the businesswithin a couple years it was
just defunct.
I was sitting around because Iwas like oh my God, I can't
believe this is going on withthis person.
And then I'm like they wentafter me, closed me down, but
she's got my phone.
Why aren't they going after her?
It just was really weird.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, that is really weird.
She just picked up where youleft off.
You were at Rikers, right.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I wonder what was there yeah, I don't know what
that was about, but they didn'tbother her whatsoever, wow
that's very interesting do youhave any closure on that now, or
I mean I?
actually, you know, talking toher not too long ago, she's like
I'll give you your old phonesback and I'm like, stick them up
(12:41):
your ass, I don't need my oldphones back.
You know you ruined ourbusiness.
My God, it was terrible.
And now she doesn't have a joband she ruined the business.
And you know she made bettermoney with me.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
She was working under a job and she ruined the
business and you know she madebetter money with me, mm-hmm,
she was working under you.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, she did.
Yeah, it's crazy the thingspeople do and the things people
try.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, alright.
So we talked about scammers, wetalked about some devils.
Why don't you talk about Lucas?
I know that you're like reallyfond of him.
Oh, I love.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Lucas.
It was a shame what happened tohim.
He was my like I was actuallygoing to give the business to
him when I was done.
Really, he was such a goodperson from Poland Hardly spoke
English when I first met him andhe was so like, on top of
everything, he was a great guyand then, when they arrested us,
he was the only person that didnot open his mouth.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, the only person , and they deported him back to
Poland and I never saw him again.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
You don't have contact with him now you know?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
No, I don't, it was Lucas and Leo, it was a couple
and they were so adorable.
Yeah, so I talk to Leo now andthen you know, but it was a
horrible situation that happenedto them, that they were
arrested and locked up for awhile.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Was he looking for a job.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah, I put a job in the Polish paper.
This is like way back when.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
When.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Maybe.
Wow, let me think it wasprobably maybe 2000, maybe 2000.
And I had put it for girls inthe Polish paper and I got a lot
of really nice girls, but itwas for acting jobs.
Then he came along and I waslike wait a minute, maybe we
could do something.
And you know, we ended up beingreally good friends, really
(14:29):
great guy, yeah.
So you know, you get a lot ofgood people and you get a lot of
bad people.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
And what did he think , do you know, at?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
first he was like, oh okay, I said, you know, it's
really for girls, I'm justhiring girls.
But he was really like a.
I could tell he was like a goodguy.
And how many years did y'allwork together?
Worked maybe five years.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Five years.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Five years.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, it worked maybe five years, five years, five
years, yeah, yeah you did trusthim yeah.
I did very much he was reallytrustworthy, and so what
happened with him?
Speaker 1 (15:05):
in the bus, in the bus, the place, everyone else
they would give up their motherto get out of there.
You know it scares the girlsand I understand that, you know,
and it scares the security andI had manager security and you
know he was the only person whoactually was like I'm not going
to say nothing, I'm not going toopen my mouth.
It was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Who is Leo?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Leo is.
Lucas's other half.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, when you hired Lucas, were they together.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, they were already together, but I didn't
really know Leo.
As time went on, he brought Leoin.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
And Leo started to help out with the business as
well.
Yeah, yeah, wow.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
And I remember one time Lucas cheated on Leo and
Leo called me up and he's likethey're like you better get over
here.
Uh, leo took a bunch of pillsand he's going to commit suicide
.
And I'm like, oh my God, youknow cause he caught Lucas, you
know, cheating on him and it washorrible.
So I ran over there and it wassome kind of sleepy pills that
he took.
It wasn't even anything tooserious, Thank God, and I got
(16:06):
some mustard on his hair andthank God it was just over the
counter stuff.
You know he was a sweetheartand Lucas was terrible to Chiano
.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, did they work through that?
They worked through it.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
They did.
Yeah, that's good, okay.
Lucas tried to say it wasanother guy who looked like him
and it wasn't.
It was just all kinds of stuff.
He tried to get out of it buthe didn't.
You know, yeah, tyler Bill is avery interesting person.
(16:44):
I've known him since literallysince, oh, I'd say the 90s.
I've known him many, many years, even before that, I think.
But he was a nice guy, thoughTo a certain point he advertised
he was my advertiser for allthe places.
(17:04):
He would go all around andcollect money and sell
advertisements to the girls.
Where did he come from and whatwas your relationship like?
Dollar Bill used to be a taxidriver, and this is like a long
time ago and then he startedworking for all these agencies
you know, screw all of them andhe would come around to all the
(17:24):
girls and he would selladvertisements on a bicycle.
He would, you know, that washis thing.
He would go all around and hewasn't a client at that time,
but yeah, he would go andcollect money for everyone and
take pictures.
You know, he's sort of like.
Then, when everything went likeinternet, then he opened up
something on his site calledCycle Roundup.
(17:46):
He opened the website toadvertise and get girls to
advertise.
And then he likes to writeabout you know, he really like
wants to be a writer in theworst manner, in the worst way.
He's written a lot of stuff.
He's on this thing calledMedium, I think, or something.
He's written a lot of things.
He so he's on this thing calledMedium, I think, or something.
He's written a lot of things.
He's written a lot of thingsabout me, about with me, with
Larry Flint.
(18:06):
When Larry Flint died he waseven doing Uber Eats and
everything on his bicycle.
He's just like that type of guythat just goes.
But he was in jail with us,right, and he was on suicide
watch with Epstein and he killedhimself.
So there he goes, money againon the Daily Beast.
(18:26):
He was on the Daily Beast.
They paid him, I think, I think, eight to 10,000 just for, like
you know, hours.
So we're talking about it and Iasked him what really happened.
What really happened?
And he said he really didcommit suicide.
Because I didn't believe it.
But he said he really didbecause he heard him ripping up
sheets and stuff like that inthere.
And I was like, yeah, you're onSuicide Watch, what the hell.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
For more information about Dollar Bill and his time
on Suicide Watch for JeffreyEpstein, check out links in the
show notes.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I mean the fake IDs to do apartments all over the
place.
I met through them, through youknow, know, I met her through
them.
I met her.
She was this Asian woman, likearound a little bit older than
me, but basically you know age,and we became really good
friends, partners.
She would put up the apartmentand then I would just bring you
(19:15):
know.
My part was girls and runningthe place and we were like it
was a great partnership and thenI don't know what the hell
happened to her.
She just started to be.
She never got arrested, by theway, ever, ever the electric was
in her name.
They never bothered her.
I don't understand it, but theydidn't, you know.
But anyway, we were likepartners for many years and it
(19:38):
worked for a long time, untilafter the 2018 bust.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
If you want to hear more about the fake bust and
Gigi's involvement in that, youcan listen to Julie's story from
episode four of Madam.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah, jonathan, he was a guy that you know.
I knew he used to work for themob and get warehouses for them
and stuff like that Warehousesfor them to do whatever Fake
names, and that's where you knowthe terrorist thing from the
phone store and all thisconnects.
But anyway, he would getapartments for working girls for
(20:15):
madams not for working girlsfor madams and you know you pay
him or whatever.
He was a oh, he would betreated like he was a lawyer.
He would go into court for useverything.
And one time he went into courtand the lawyer was there and he
had to sneak out.
He was crazy, but he would.
He would take the personalityyou know, totally, he was great.
(20:35):
He was an unbelievable hustler.
This guy was something else.
He was, he was, you know, hewas from a good Jewish family
and stuff like that, and he, heI don't know what happened.
He was a lawyer and he wasdisbarred and then he went to do
criminal things.
But I remember one place we gotthrown out of and he went back
again and rented it.
(20:56):
He had a whole new disguise onwith a whole different thing.
I hold a new disguise on with awhole different thing.
The same exact person?
Yeah, and he got away with it.
He got away with it, he did.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
What was like a disguise that you would.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
He always said that he had a prosthetic leg, so he
had to be on the first floor.
He said I have a prosthetic leg, I cannot, you know, go
upstairs or anything, and I needthis apartment, I'm a this and
that, you know, whatever.
And that's the way that wealways stayed on the first floor
.
We didn't want to go upstairsso they could just come in.
For apartments and forcommercial places.
We said it was, you know, likesome kind of something.
(21:33):
We always put some little thingtogether a little whatever
together.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
You didn't actually have a prosthetic leg.
No, it was for the sake of someof that client Right, so he'd
come in limping and you knowkind of limping, and he would
always have a different.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
you know, whatever it was like, the age or whatever,
he would put a mustache oneverything.
He just, you know, totally wentand make an ID.
They made driver's license upand everything, Tax papers and
the credit was always realbecause it was a real person.
You know, remember, like fromthe phone store we get the right
, right, right, yeah, so it wasalways from a real person, so he
(22:10):
would pretty much you knowdisguise and stuff.
Everyone knew everybody.
Billy, it was Billy.
It was Jonathan, it was Gigi.
You know it was um.
You was just a lot of peoplethat we all were sort of
connected to and we all kneweach other.
We were all friends.
You need this?
(22:31):
Yeah, I'll make this idea.
You need that?
Yes, I'll do that.
It was just like a greatsituation.
It was illegal, but it wasn'tfor bad things.
We used to get apartments.
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If you don't give me my money, if you don't give me
my money, I'm going to come toyour house every day and harass
your clientele walking in, andyou know that is like concerning
, but I'm like this fuckingasshole, you know.
Then I said I'm going to likesuccumb to this.
I'm not going to let him.
I've been through this many atime before here comes another
one.
This guy was good this time,though.
Hey y 94.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Here comes another one, this guy was good.
This time though, hey y'allthis is Imban and this is.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Ben Skye.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
And this is, madam, the Podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
What's this episode about today?
Well, this episode we're goingto be letting Julie tell us a
lot about the people that she'sknown throughout her career as a
madam and sex worker the good,the bad and the ugly.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yes, Julie and her decades of work in NYC has come
across a real mixed bag ofpeople and we will hear about
them today in the episode.
Some good, some bad, but reallyhumans are just complicated and
so is this work and that reallyshows in this episode You're
(01:05):
going to hear things aboutJeffrey Epstein's death, what
really happened.
How fake mustaches are integralto the operation of a brothel
and the connected community thatran the sex work industry in
New York City in the early 90s.
Because of all the manycharacters that Julia has run
(01:25):
into in her career, we're goingto have to divide this episode
up into two parts, so this isthe first part.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
We talk a lot about people you've obviously met
working in the industry andwe're looking back on the
writing that you did as well andsome of the notable people that
you wrote about then and alsowith the last episode we were
talking about Gigi, we weretalking about Lucas, and so I
(02:04):
guess, in particular for thosepeople kind of you know, they're
very interesting, like, givethem some background and so is
that something you're full with,and then of course also people
that will try to screw you overand you know I don't know about
the Ryan thing.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
This is a new episode .
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah.
So, your mind yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
So a guy comes in, sees one of the girls that is
usually sometimes problematic,you know, emotional, and he has
a bad session with her.
So he calls me and I'm like, ohmy God, I'm so sorry, come back
in and I'm going to offer you afree session with someone else.
So he comes in, sees anothergirl and he goes.
(02:47):
You know, I could paint thisplace for you, I could help you,
I could do a lot of things foryou if you want, because this is
.
You know, I see a lot of likeyou know you need a little help.
And I was like, wow, what anice guy.
So he just starts coming overwith paints, coming up with all
kinds of toys I mean he saidthat he's in the toy business
and has a warehouse.
So I'm like, wow, what a niceperson.
He starts doing a lot of thingsfor us, you know, even cleaning
(03:10):
up the yard out in back of me,just everything.
You know.
You know he wants to give melittle ideas.
I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah,that's nice of you.
You know I'm just kind ofjing-jing, gives me all kinds of
ideas.
And all of a sudden you knowI'm a little low on girls he's
like let me bring a few girlsthat I know.
I know a couple of girls.
So I said, wow, that's reallynice.
Just, you know, maybe a littlecommission, you know, or
(03:33):
whatever.
And I'm like, okay.
So he brings this first girl hebrought.
She seemed nice, but then Irealized she was like on drugs,
like badly on drugs, and I waslike, oh, this is not a good
situation because you know, oneminute she's okay, the next
minute she's nuts and so highthat she can't even hardly walk,
and so that didn't work.
(03:53):
Then he brought another girl,was like totally a mess, said
you know what, this is notworking, it's just not working.
And he was like.
Then he got really upset and Isaid I'm sorry, I cannot have
these type of girls, I justcan't do it.
They're just not for me.
It's good, it's a badreputation.
And I gave him another place togo to bring him to work, right.
(04:13):
But I noticed, as thefriendship was forming, he
became very aggressive and hewas like, yeah, you know, I was
on the Mob Wives and I looked onthe series and he was on there,
you know.
So you know, he impressed me alittle bit.
I know all the mom guys and I'mlike, oh, wow, okay, cool,
that's nice, nice to know.
But then I realized that it waslike when I watched one episode
(04:34):
the cops were escorting him offthe property Because I don't
know what happened.
Him and Gavano's friends gotinto a big you know tip or
whatever.
So she's walking away on theshow and I'm like huh, does he
have a little bit of issues hereand there?
And then I hear Karen Gavanosay, oh, you know what, he's
(04:55):
gone now, he's not going to beback on the show.
And I was laughing and I saidoh, wow and something else.
But anyways, through all, thiswe get to this point and I tell
him that we can't work togetheranymore, and he gets wild and
crazy.
And I had a girl with me thatcame from England.
She went, you know, on her way.
She was worked in Vegas for alittle while too and she came
(05:16):
with me and of course he, youknow, pushed up on her with the
same story I'm going to make youa porno star.
I've got all these people thatare doing these porno movies and
you can be, like you know, aporno star.
So you know, she's gullible.
I mean, these girls need yourmoney and the bigger money.
They're like oh wow, you know,and they think you know what I'm
saying.
So she got excited, she wentwith him and I was really pissed
(05:38):
off.
Anyway, she went with him andof course she came right back.
She realized in a day or twothat it was a big drug party.
She said it's too much, toomuch.
She came back, so that was okay,but he's angry, calling me up,
telling me you owe me for thepainting.
And I'm like what I bought thepaint, you, you know is that we
worked all this out.
No, you owe me for this, youowe me for that If you don't
(05:59):
give me my money, I'm going tocome to your house every day and
harass your clientele walkingin, and you know that is like
concerning, but I'm like thisfucking asshole, you know.
Then I said I'm going to likesuccumb to this.
I'm not going to let him.
I've been through this manytimes before.
Here comes another one.
This guy was good this time,though, because he was real
(06:21):
friendly.
I even gave him a job as asecurity one day, on Saturday,
you know, but it's just so sad,and this is why it needs to be
legalized, because things likethis, you know it's so
aggravating because things likethis come up, you know, because
they know that you're sort oflike vulnerable to certain
situations.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Absolutely yeah, yeah .
And you're saying withlegalization, yeah it couldn't
be because's you know it's legal.
Right, someone would hold Ryanaccountable.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Of course, and Ryan wouldn't be able to stand in
front of a place because youcould have him taken out of
there.
Like, get the hell out of here.
You're ordering.
You know something like that.
I don't know how they'redealing with it, but whatever.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, it's not your business anymore.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Right, but I did notice he's putting a lot of
advertisements around and he'sreally, you know, god bless him.
If he's on his own, I reallydon't care, I just don't want
him with me.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
And so there's been a pattern in your past of people
they see the money, they seethat you're doing well, also,
off of it's not a legalizedpractice.
So it's like, well, what areyou going to call the cops?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
I've had them call and say if you don't give me
$10,000 within two days, I'mgoing to call 911 every chance I
get and send them to your house.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Stuff like that.
You know, for the people thatthreatened you either to you
know, hang out outside yourplace or call 911, did anybody
ever follow through on thosethreats and if so, how did you?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
deal with that?
Yes, I had a security that Ihired.
No, she was a phone person.
I hired her and when I let hergo she started standing in front
of my place this is years agotaking pictures of guys walking
to scare them.
It was like, oh my God, yeah,and so I had the security go out
and, you know, go after her.
But then that still didn't work.
(08:14):
So what I did was I found outwhere her mother lived and where
she lived, you know, justthrough friends that brought her
to me and went and talked toher mother and that seemed to
stop everything.
I sent some people to talk toher mother.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Oh shit, Damn.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Sometimes you got to fight fire with fire.
Yeah, I mean hey, I've evengone to a botanica and paid like
a couple thousand dollars toyou know to have someone you
know stay away Like a stone.
Yeah, like everybody else.
And it really worked to youknow to have someone you know
stay away.
Yeah, and it really works, yeah, it really really works.
Oh yeah, yeah, that worked.
(08:51):
I've done a lot of differentthings.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, what has been the best solution, best method
that you've?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
The best solution is, honestly, to get a couple of
people to confront that person,but nobody wants to go to that
point.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
But they're acting on the threats that they're making
.
Yeah, you have to do something,but they're acting on the
threats that they're making.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, you have to do something.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
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Speaker 1 (10:24):
Oh my God, this was Mary Beth, my phone girl in 2018
.
You know, my place got raided.
My phone girl was up in theapartment.
Cops are always like you know,they always miss something.
She had the phones on her whenthey went up to the phone
apartment and she's a big, shewas a big, heavy lady and I
(10:46):
guess she hid them on hersomewhere.
I don't know where she put her,but she hid them on her and she
got away with the phones, soshe just started the business
from there.
I'm just got arrested sittingin Rikers Island and she just
started answering my phones,opening up, rented some Airbnbs
and rocking and rolling.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Was she impersonating you?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yes, she was impersonating the place.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
She was impersonating the place.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
And they knew her because she was my phone girl.
Yeah, so I mean it was horrible.
Was my phone girl?
Yeah, so I mean it was horrible.
Um, I was sitting and she wastelling the girls all this is to
bail Julie out, this is to dohelp Julie, and all this.
But it was not.
It was not at all and the girlswere like happy to be there and
it was just a big scam.
And it's such a shame becauseshe literally ran those phones
(11:30):
to the ground within like acouple years.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Wow, where she took the phones, took your client
list, took advantage because youwere out Right, you were at
Rikers Yep and the girls werealso under the impression that
this was yeah for you and likeyou were okay with it.
Yes, it was just an extensionof the business.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, and it was like it was crazy and, like I said,
she destroyed the businesswithin a couple years it was
just defunct.
I was sitting around because Iwas like oh my God, I can't
believe this is going on withthis person.
And then I'm like they wentafter me, closed me down, but
she's got my phone.
Why aren't they going after her?
It just was really weird.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, that is really weird.
She just picked up where youleft off.
You were at Rikers, right.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I wonder what was there yeah, I don't know what
that was about, but they didn'tbother her whatsoever, wow
that's very interesting do youhave any closure on that now, or
I mean I?
actually, you know, talking toher not too long ago, she's like
I'll give you your old phonesback and I'm like, stick them up
(12:41):
your ass, I don't need my oldphones back.
You know you ruined ourbusiness.
My God, it was terrible.
And now she doesn't have a joband she ruined the business.
And you know she made bettermoney with me.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
She was working under a job and she ruined the
business and you know she madebetter money with me, mm-hmm,
she was working under you.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, she did.
Yeah, it's crazy the thingspeople do and the things people
try.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, alright.
So we talked about scammers, wetalked about some devils.
Why don't you talk about Lucas?
I know that you're like reallyfond of him.
Oh, I love.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Lucas.
It was a shame what happened tohim.
He was my like I was actuallygoing to give the business to
him when I was done.
Really, he was such a goodperson from Poland Hardly spoke
English when I first met him andhe was so like, on top of
everything, he was a great guyand then, when they arrested us,
he was the only person that didnot open his mouth.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, the only person , and they deported him back to
Poland and I never saw him again.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
You don't have contact with him now you know?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
No, I don't, it was Lucas and Leo, it was a couple
and they were so adorable.
Yeah, so I talk to Leo now andthen you know, but it was a
horrible situation that happenedto them, that they were
arrested and locked up for awhile.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Was he looking for a job.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah, I put a job in the Polish paper.
This is like way back when.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
When.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Maybe.
Wow, let me think it wasprobably maybe 2000, maybe 2000.
And I had put it for girls inthe Polish paper and I got a lot
of really nice girls, but itwas for acting jobs.
Then he came along and I waslike wait a minute, maybe we
could do something.
And you know, we ended up beingreally good friends, really
(14:29):
great guy, yeah.
So you know, you get a lot ofgood people and you get a lot of
bad people.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
And what did he think , do you know, at?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
first he was like, oh okay, I said, you know, it's
really for girls, I'm justhiring girls.
But he was really like a.
I could tell he was like a goodguy.
And how many years did y'allwork together?
Worked maybe five years.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Five years.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Five years.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, it worked maybe five years, five years, five
years, yeah, yeah you did trusthim yeah.
I did very much he was reallytrustworthy, and so what
happened with him?
Speaker 1 (15:05):
in the bus, in the bus, the place, everyone else
they would give up their motherto get out of there.
You know it scares the girlsand I understand that, you know,
and it scares the security andI had manager security and you
know he was the only person whoactually was like I'm not going
to say nothing, I'm not going toopen my mouth.
It was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Who is Leo?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Leo is.
Lucas's other half.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, when you hired Lucas, were they together.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, they were already together, but I didn't
really know Leo.
As time went on, he brought Leoin.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
And Leo started to help out with the business as
well.
Yeah, yeah, wow.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
And I remember one time Lucas cheated on Leo and
Leo called me up and he's likethey're like you better get over
here.
Uh, leo took a bunch of pillsand he's going to commit suicide
.
And I'm like, oh my God, youknow cause he caught Lucas, you
know, cheating on him and it washorrible.
So I ran over there and it wassome kind of sleepy pills that
he took.
It wasn't even anything tooserious, Thank God, and I got
(16:06):
some mustard on his hair andthank God it was just over the
counter stuff.
You know he was a sweetheartand Lucas was terrible to Chiano
.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, did they work through that?
They worked through it.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
They did.
Yeah, that's good, okay.
Lucas tried to say it wasanother guy who looked like him
and it wasn't.
It was just all kinds of stuff.
He tried to get out of it buthe didn't.
You know, yeah, tyler Bill is avery interesting person.
(16:44):
I've known him since literallysince, oh, I'd say the 90s.
I've known him many, many years, even before that, I think.
But he was a nice guy, thoughTo a certain point he advertised
he was my advertiser for allthe places.
(17:04):
He would go all around andcollect money and sell
advertisements to the girls.
Where did he come from and whatwas your relationship like?
Dollar Bill used to be a taxidriver, and this is like a long
time ago and then he startedworking for all these agencies
you know, screw all of them andhe would come around to all the
(17:24):
girls and he would selladvertisements on a bicycle.
He would, you know, that washis thing.
He would go all around and hewasn't a client at that time,
but yeah, he would go andcollect money for everyone and
take pictures.
You know, he's sort of like.
Then, when everything went likeinternet, then he opened up
something on his site calledCycle Roundup.
(17:46):
He opened the website toadvertise and get girls to
advertise.
And then he likes to writeabout you know, he really like
wants to be a writer in theworst manner, in the worst way.
He's written a lot of stuff.
He's on this thing calledMedium, I think, or something.
He's written a lot of things.
He so he's on this thing calledMedium, I think, or something.
He's written a lot of things.
He's written a lot of thingsabout me, about with me, with
Larry Flint.
(18:06):
When Larry Flint died he waseven doing Uber Eats and
everything on his bicycle.
He's just like that type of guythat just goes.
But he was in jail with us,right, and he was on suicide
watch with Epstein and he killedhimself.
So there he goes, money againon the Daily Beast.
(18:26):
He was on the Daily Beast.
They paid him, I think, I think, eight to 10,000 just for, like
you know, hours.
So we're talking about it and Iasked him what really happened.
What really happened?
And he said he really didcommit suicide.
Because I didn't believe it.
But he said he really didbecause he heard him ripping up
sheets and stuff like that inthere.
And I was like, yeah, you're onSuicide Watch, what the hell.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
For more information about Dollar Bill and his time
on Suicide Watch for JeffreyEpstein, check out links in the
show notes.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I mean the fake IDs to do apartments all over the
place.
I met through them, through youknow, know, I met her through
them.
I met her.
She was this Asian woman, likearound a little bit older than
me, but basically you know age,and we became really good
friends, partners.
She would put up the apartmentand then I would just bring you
(19:15):
know.
My part was girls and runningthe place and we were like it
was a great partnership and thenI don't know what the hell
happened to her.
She just started to be.
She never got arrested, by theway, ever, ever the electric was
in her name.
They never bothered her.
I don't understand it, but theydidn't, you know.
But anyway, we were likepartners for many years and it
(19:38):
worked for a long time, untilafter the 2018 bust.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
If you want to hear more about the fake bust and
Gigi's involvement in that, youcan listen to Julie's story from
episode four of Madam.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah, jonathan, he was a guy that you know.
I knew he used to work for themob and get warehouses for them
and stuff like that Warehousesfor them to do whatever Fake
names, and that's where you knowthe terrorist thing from the
phone store and all thisconnects.
But anyway, he would getapartments for working girls for
(20:15):
madams not for working girlsfor madams and you know you pay
him or whatever.
He was a oh, he would betreated like he was a lawyer.
He would go into court for useverything.
And one time he went into courtand the lawyer was there and he
had to sneak out.
He was crazy, but he would.
He would take the personalityyou know, totally, he was great.
(20:35):
He was an unbelievable hustler.
This guy was something else.
He was, he was, you know, hewas from a good Jewish family
and stuff like that, and he, heI don't know what happened.
He was a lawyer and he wasdisbarred and then he went to do
criminal things.
But I remember one place we gotthrown out of and he went back
again and rented it.
(20:56):
He had a whole new disguise onwith a whole different thing.
I hold a new disguise on with awhole different thing.
The same exact person?
Yeah, and he got away with it.
He got away with it, he did.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
What was like a disguise that you would.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
He always said that he had a prosthetic leg, so he
had to be on the first floor.
He said I have a prosthetic leg, I cannot, you know, go
upstairs or anything, and I needthis apartment, I'm a this and
that, you know, whatever.
And that's the way that wealways stayed on the first floor
.
We didn't want to go upstairsso they could just come in.
For apartments and forcommercial places.
We said it was, you know, likesome kind of something.
(21:33):
We always put some little thingtogether a little whatever
together.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
You didn't actually have a prosthetic leg.
No, it was for the sake of someof that client Right, so he'd
come in limping and you knowkind of limping, and he would
always have a different.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
you know, whatever it was like, the age or whatever,
he would put a mustache oneverything.
He just, you know, totally wentand make an ID.
They made driver's license upand everything, Tax papers and
the credit was always realbecause it was a real person.
You know, remember, like fromthe phone store we get the right
, right, right, yeah, so it wasalways from a real person, so he
(22:10):
would pretty much you knowdisguise and stuff.
Everyone knew everybody.
Billy, it was Billy.
It was Jonathan, it was Gigi.
You know it was um.
You was just a lot of peoplethat we all were sort of
connected to and we all kneweach other.
We were all friends.
You need this?
(22:31):
Yeah, I'll make this idea.
You need that?
Yes, I'll do that.
It was just like a greatsituation.
It was illegal, but it wasn'tfor bad things.
We used to get apartments.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
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