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Josh (00:06):
Welcome to Made for Good,
a podcast where we explore how
to live out our purpose throughgood works at a budget country.
Hey, I'm Josh
Mark (00:13):
and I'm Mark.
Today we're talking about afrequent theme in Scripture
remembering the poor, hearingfor those in need is really not
just an act of kindness.
It's more of an essential partof what it really means to
follow Christ.
Bible makes it super clear,josh, that generosity and
compassion for the poor are areflection of how we understand
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God's grace to us.
So let me ask you a question.
Okay, why do you think thathelping the poor is something
the Bible emphasizes so much?
I think in fact, it's mentioned.
The word poor is over 200 timesin Scripture.
Josh (00:53):
I think you answered the
question yourself.
If it's mentioned over 200times, the answer to your
question is because it mattersto God.
Oh, yeah, exactly.
Okay, I get that it's mentionedso much so it matters to God.
But I think another response tothat question could be it's
because how we treat the poorreveals our hearts.
Think about it If we trulyunderstand God's love and
generosity towards us, then weshould naturally want to extend
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that love to others.
The Bible consistently ties ourfaith to how we care for the
most vulnerable for the mostvulnerable, absolutely.
Mark (01:27):
You know there's a passage
in Galatians 2 where Paul is
recounting an encounter that hehad with some of the Christians,
that he and Barnabas had withsome of the leaders of the
church in Jerusalem.
Barnabas and Titus went withhim and he's recounting this to
the Galatians and they'retalking about several things
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that went on and how theirmission was going.
And then at the very end ofthat section in Scripture, this
is again.
They're meeting with James andCephas, who's Peter and John.
So Peter James and John Paulcalls them pillars in the church
.
They gave he and Barnabas thequote right hand of fellowship.
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They were approving of whatthey did, that we should go to
the Gentiles.
So their mission, paul andBarnabas, were to go to the
Gentiles to preach the gospel tothem and of course, peter James
and John would focus onpreaching to the Jews In verse
10, very key verse only.
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Okay, here's an exception tosomething important.
Here only, they ask us toremember the poor.
So Peter James and John wantedPaul and Barnabas to remember
the poor.
So Peter James and John wantedPaul and Barnabas to remember
the poor.
And what is the last part ofthat?
The very thing I, paul, waseager to do.
So they're in what we callviolent agreement that they
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should remember the poor.
So we're going to talk aboutwhat does that mean?
Yeah, I remember there weresome poor people.
It's not that of course, it'saddressing their needs.
So even in the early church,remembering the poor was not an
afterthought.
This seemed to be, in thiscommunication between early
church leaders here, a priority,and so today we're going to
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dive into what that means for usin remembering the poor, how we
can put that into action.
Josh (03:30):
Let's get right into our
Bible basis segment of this
episode, where we get into 1John 3, 16 through 17.
One of the strongest commandsin scripture is to care for the
poor, and 1 John 3 puts itplainly, starting in verse 16,
where it says by this we knowlove, that he laid down his life
for us and we ought to lay downour lives for the brothers.
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But if anyone has the world'sgoods and sees his brother in
need, yet closes his heartagainst him, how does God's love
abide in him?
That's a direct challenge.
If we have the ability to helpand we choose not to do it,
we're ignoring the very lovethat God has shown us.
Mark (04:09):
Yeah, and I mentioned we
mentioned a while ago that the
Bible has a lot to say aboutremembering the poor and the
poor in general, over 200 times.
This is not just a NewTestament concept.
You go all the way back andread in Proverbs.
Proverbs 3.27 reinforces this.
It's the same message.
It's even more direct Do notwithhold good from those to whom
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it is due when it is in yourpower to do it.
Helping the poor, it's not justa nice thing to do.
You know that we get around toit.
It is seen as a responsibilityof those who have the world's
goods, the ability, and it's adirect reflection of our faith
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put into action.
Josh (04:58):
And, Mark, I think that's
key Faith in action.
It brings us.
You know, I'm just thinkingabout our first episode, when we
talked about Jesus.
But if we believe in God'sgenerosity towards others or
towards us, I should say weshould naturally want to extend
that generosity towards others.
Mark (05:14):
Absolutely.
Now let's break this down andlook at the mission this week of
remembering the poor.
The Bible gives us so manyexamples of God's heart for the
poor, his care for the poor.
Here's some really powerfulones.
We're going to do a couple inthe Old Testament and Proverbs
and we're going to jump backinto the New Testament.
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Proverbs 14, 31 says Whoeveroppresses a poor man insults his
maker.
But he who is generous to theneedy honors him.
So God takes insulting oroppressing a poor person as an
insult to him.
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And then the flip side of thatis generosity to those who are
needy is actually a way to honorGod.
Proverbs 28, 27,.
Whoever gives to the poor willnot want.
So that's about trust.
He who hides his eyes will getmany a curse.
And then go over to the NewTestament, matthew 26, 11.
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Jesus said, for you always havethe poor with you, but you will
not always have me.
So this is a kind of a samplingof God's opinion about the poor
, how he cares for the poor, howhe looks at how we look to the
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poor and meeting their needs orignoring them.
Josh (06:44):
Mark, that's really
powerful, those verses you read.
As I was listening, I was justthinking these verses make it
clear Helping the poor isn'tjust about kindness.
It's about honoring God.
Ignoring the needy is seen asan offense to Him, while
generosity is seen as an act ofworship.
Mark (06:59):
Yeah, and you mentioned
worship.
You know that's the concept ofworship.
Yeah, and you mentioned worship.
That's the concept of religion.
If you look at James 1, verse27,.
That defines pure religion thisway.
It says religion that is pureand undefiled before God the
Father, is this to visit orphansand widows in their affliction
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and to keep oneself unstained orunspotted from the world.
So when you look at that visitorphans and widows in their
affliction and to keep oneselfunstained or unspotted from the
world.
So when you look at that visitorphans and widows in their
affliction it's about addressingtheir needs.
Right, it's a reflection of ourfaith.
It shows that our faith isgenuine and it is active, is
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genuine and it is active.
It's not just words or thoughts.
It causes us, as we've talkedabout before, the compassion of
Jesus caused him to do things.
The compassion that we feel forthose who are poor should cause
us to take action.
Josh (07:55):
Let's just have a reality
check.
Sometimes, though, if we'rebeing honest with each other, we
assume the poor are therebecause of their own decisions.
Mark (08:05):
Yeah, that's something
that we need to be very careful
about.
How the poor became poor is notmaterial to our responsibility
to help.
Obviously, you want to be wise,you don't want to reinforce bad
behavior, but what are someother reasons, josh, why we
struggle to help the poor?
Josh (08:26):
Well, one, we assume that
someone else is going to do it.
Think about what you do atchurch.
I mean, you give, right, youput some money in the tray, or I
guess now through COVID thatlooks a little different from
church to church, but you giveweekly and you just assume like
the church is going to take careof it.
Mark (08:41):
Yeah, and I think that a
lot of Christians will fall into
this category.
I gave at church.
I gave my weekly contribution.
I dropped it in the box in theback.
I paid through some app on myphone.
I gave.
It's the church'sresponsibility.
Charities, sometimes charitieswe want to get into, or even the
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government, that's thegovernment's responsibility.
I pay my taxes, so my taxesshould go to help those in need
and all those things are goodand should be done, but it does
not, I believe, work to releasethe individual from doing things
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as they see the opportunity todo them.
Josh (09:27):
Another reason that people
struggle with helping the poor
is well, flat out we're too busy.
I feel like we've mentionedthat a couple of times in our
reality check segments, but it'strue here too.
Life moves so fast that wedon't always stop and notice the
needs around us.
Mark (09:41):
Well, another one is this
trust the trust in God for us to
give up this money to thisperson, but it's also trust of
what the person is going to dowith the money, right?
A wise man once told me that itwas the recipient's
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responsibility to God about howthey spent that money.
It is my responsibility toaddress the need as I see it in
that situation.
Obviously, we want to be wise.
We don't want to fund orfacilitate bad behavior, and so
there's always a good.
When someone's asking for money, there's a way to, you know, to
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help them, maybe without givingthem money.
If they need money for a meal,you can go buy them a meal.
Hey, come in, let me, let me,let me pay for, let me pay for
lunch, or uh, or pay for gas, orsomething like that.
Josh (10:39):
Before we move on, just
one more reason that you know
some may have is we don't feellike we have enough to give.
I mean, we talked about this inour previous episode, but we
think generosity is only forthose with financial abundance.
Mark (10:51):
Yeah.
But you know, in all this, josh, the scripture doesn't give
qualifiers in this.
It does not give us an excuseto ignore the poor.
To ignore the poor.
You know.
Galatians 6.10, very clear,tells us.
So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone and
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especially to those who are thehousehold of faith.
Now I think that mostChristians these days and going
back to you know giving atchurch.
You know if someone's in needthey're more than happy to help.
You know members of theircongregation, but this says
everyone.
So I'm assuming it's the guythat walks up to you in the
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parking lot.
Sometimes you know you want tobe very careful about safety,
safety for your family and thosesorts of things.
But we all really havesomething to give.
Sometimes people just needsomebody to talk to.
So the giving to a poor istalking to the person.
Sometimes it's resources orsometimes it's just being kind
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to people.
Josh (12:02):
So what you're saying is
generosity.
In this context, it's notalways about giving money.
Mark (12:07):
Right.
There's many, many ways to help.
So here's our challenge for youthis week Find one way to help
the poor, whether it's donating,volunteering or directly
assisting somebody in need.
We want you to do somethingthat is intentional.
So go through your closet.
You can find some clothes thatyou haven't worn in a long time.
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Take those down to the thriftstore, to a local mission place,
maybe in your city, and donate.
Josh (12:38):
By the way, my wife's
going to love that you're saying
this, because she's been askingme to get in my closet and do
that for quite some time.
Mark (12:44):
Yeah, I get the same thing
, but it's good we have things
we're not even sacrificing.
These are things that we don'teven use.
They're just in the back of ourcloset.
Maybe we haven't won them inover a year.
Gather those up and take themand donate them.
I personally like to donate ata place where the recipient is
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going to use it.
So if you get, you know thereare downtown missions where they
take what you give and theydon't necessarily put it in a
store, although I've done that.
You know to sell and then youwant to know where the money
that they're generating is goingfor.
In my opinion, one of the bestways the most pure, if you can
use that word way to help is togive somebody something that you
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have that they need, and that'sa direct relationship.
There are abuse spouses centersthat cater to those people who
need that.
You can contact them.
You can bring things that theyneed and what they're going to
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do is not put them in a store.
They're going to give them tothe people there at that
facility who need it.
Another way to help the poor isvolunteering.
You can volunteer at your localfood bank.
The food banks are set up toserve those who are poor, who do
not have enough.
Or you could do something likein your own community.
Maybe even in your ownneighborhood, if there's
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somebody who can't afford to paysomebody to I don't know, come
and cut their lawn or something,you could do that directly for
them.
They have a need.
Maybe they can't afford to paysomebody else to do it, you can
do it.
You do that directly for them.
They have a need.
Maybe they can't afford to paysomebody else to do it, you can
do it.
You can do it for free.
And so this is one way to helpthe poor this week.
Do it, reflect on it, maybeeven encourage somebody else to
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come along.
That's the stirring one anotherup to loving good works.
Let's stir one another up inthis way to help the poor.
And then, once you've done thatkind of go back, think about
what you've done and look atways.
Could I do this on a regularbasis?
Now, if I did it on a regularbasis, I may wind up with very
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few clothes in my closet, butthere are ways to do it on a
regular.
But volunteering is one.
Maybe set up a time where youand a friend go and volunteer at
the food bank or volunteer, youknow, once a month at Habitat
for Humanity, to mention another.
Where you're, you're, you aredirectly helping the poor.
Josh (15:18):
I love all of these
examples because they're helpful
and also we're not just talkingabout money here.
They're helpful and also we'renot just talking about money
here, we're talking about time.
We'll list all of these thingsthat we talked about as far as
what our mission is this weekfor our listeners.
We'll list these on socialmedia, list these on X,
instagram and Facebook.
Mark (15:36):
Well, that's it for
today's episode of Made for Good
.
This episode is one that'sreally about awareness and
that's seeing those in needaround us.
Again, Jesus said the poor youwill have with you always.
That means even today there arepoor.
There are ways to help, many,many ways to help, and if this
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Until next time, go out, begenerous and remember you were
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