Dane4Dogs

Robin speaks with Rebekah Robinson, president of Dane4Dogs. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 3 (00:00):
Good morning.

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Robin Colbert and this is Madison Forum. My guest
this morning is Rebecca Robinson. She is the president of
Dane for Dogs. Rebecca, thank you so much for joining
me this morning.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Thank you. I'm happy to be here.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Well, it has been a really wild couple of weeks
for the organization, Dane for Dogs. A recent ruling here
in Dane County that we're going to get to concerning
a breeder, a questionable breeder, many allegations against this breeder
in Blue Mounds. But Rebecca, if you wouldn't mind just
going back to when Dane for Dogs started up and why.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, we started in twenty eighteen when we learned about
a rescue that had happened at Ridgeland Farms by other activists.
They had gone and a few three dogs from Ridgland Farms,
and so when that became public, we learned about it
as locals in the Madison area, and we decided to
step in and see what we could do to, you know,

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try and change in this area.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah, and forgive me, what year was that that you
got involved. That was twenty eighteen, twenty eighteen.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Okay, so not really all that I follow you on
social media. So I thought you've been around much longer,
But you're just very vocal in what you do. It
seems like you've been around for longer. Although twenty eighteen, heck,
that's six years now.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
So yeah, it feels like a long time. Honestly, with
the public support that we get when we tell people
what's happening there, everyone is shocked that it hasn't been
shut down yet.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah. The positive news about facilities like Ridgeland Farms is
that they're few and far between. In fact, isn't Rigeland
just like one of two such locations in the United States?

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, they're the second largest in the country. There are
also smaller ones. There's another one right out in spring
Green that is also breeding dogs for research, But rigelind
Farms is the second largest in the country now that
NDIGO was shut down in twenty two.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
To and that yeah, and that group was out of Virginia, if.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
I recall, that's right, Yeah, yeah, And did.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
The Virginia closure Did this follow kind of the same
footsteps here that were going through in southern Wisconsin or
was it an easier go in a different state. I
guess I'm just kind of curious as to state by state,
the ease or difficulty of such regulations on such facilities.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, what I can tell you is that if it
were easy, it would have already been done, you know.
So there's nothing easy about it. We are grateful that
we have the in Vigo model to go by. We
are in a little bit of a different situation here,
but the fact is the conditions at Rigelan Farms are
worse than the conditions that in Vigo. The dogs at
Rigeland Farms never see daylight, they never go outside, they

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never touch grass, they never see sunlight, they never there's
stacked cages on top of each other. They're kept isolated
in two foot fight four foot caages with almost no
in Richmond, it's absolutely horrific conditions at Ridgeland Farms.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
And just knowing all that, you know, I'm guessing, well,
you don't even have to be an animal lover to
you know, be have your heartbreak overhearing about this, but
it must keep you up at night.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, I mean, it's not the way that any citizen
wants to treat animals in this state. Right. This is
why we have laws, this is why we protect animals.
You don't have to necessarily feel anything special towards dogs,
although of course many of us do, but it is
important that we treat animals with kindness and it's part

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of our societal norms. I think that we need to
defend that.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Well, let's now go back about was it. No, it
was just last week actually, so just this month early
on here in twenty twenty five, you got a ruling.
I'm guessing you have been hoped. Well, You're ruling that
you would really love to see is that they're shut down.
But Dane County Judge is opening it up to a

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special prosecutor because you guys have kind of been going
in circles trying to get local authorities involved, whether it
be the Dane County DA or who says that you
have to have some sort of report from a law
enforcement agency. Isn't that the way they say it should go.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, I can't speak for the Dane County District Attorney,
but what I'll say is that we and many other
animal activists have been trying very hard to get attention
on this. The District attorney has received over nine hundred
emails about Ridgeland Farms asking him to prosecute, and he
chose not to. So we have been trying for many

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years to get our government to enforce our laws, and
this is the first time that I really feel hopeful
that enforcement might actually be coming.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
And this ruling came from Judge Ronda Landford, who actually
did cite all all the letters and correspondents sent into
the Dane County DA's office with concerns about these activities
at Ridglin that's right.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, And she took that evidence, along with the evidence
of whistleblowers to former employees who testified about their experiences there,
as well as Wayne Shung who had been inside of
Rigeland Farms as part of that rescue that I took
about in twenty seventeen. And she took that and she said,
as a result of all of this evidence, it was

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sufficient to satisfy the court that probable cause exists that
originally committed a felony seleny animal cruelty by specifically the
mutilation of so called cherry eyes, which is a condition
that dogs naturally suffer from. Many dogs had this, as
well as the mutilation of dog's vocal cords. The things

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that they're doing to those dogs there. She found probable
cause of seleny animal cruelty and.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Going to step further as far as completely disturbing. So
these dogs allegedly are giving drugs to uh paralyze them
to keep them still. But from the allegations I'm reading
here in the criminal complaint and what have you, they're
they're not giving any anesthesia or pain mets. So this
is just to the horror of the pain that they're

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they're feeling. And I'm just kind of curious too, what's
what's the benefit for uh, the employees or the people
at Ridgeland. What's the benefit to trying to prevent cherry eye.
I mean, this isn't like you know, it's uh they're
breeding dogs for sale. I mean this is under the
guise of research. Well, what do they care about cherry

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I or not?

Speaker 2 (06:46):
No, these the cherry iye happens to the dogs that
are being bred to the to the dog. It's just
an inflamed island. Basically, dogs have a third island, so
when that becomes inflamed, condition called cherry eye exist. So
it's just an example of a lack of veterinary care
that they're getting there. Okay, not anything about experimentation.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Oh okay, yeah, I guess I was just a little
confused on that. But so now Judge Landford puts down
this decision, and so do you bypass Dane County? Who
decides or is it going to be in this judge's
court in the future to appoint a special prosecutor?

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yep, the judge is going to appoint a special prosecutor.
She has sent out a letter to the Attorney General
as well as to we don't know one or more
district attorney and other counties asking for asking for one
of them to step forward and prosecute.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
How many attempts before you made it to Judge Landford's court,
how many court attempts have you tried to kind of
bypassed Dane County DA Or was this the first time
you've gone this route?

Speaker 2 (08:00):
This is the first time in Dane County that we've
gone the court route. We did go to the court
route in spring Green, so Salk County, because Salt County
grants a conditional use permit over the objections of hundreds
of residents there in Spring Green. So this is the
first time that we've tried this here in Dane County.
And we're very lucky because we have the animal activist

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Legal Defense Project, who is representing us, who stepped up
pro bono to do this for us, Otherwise we could
I'll say, Dane for Dogs is all volunteers. You know
this is not some lobbying organization, right. We are people
doing this in our free time because we care about
what's happening in our community.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
And yeah, you've made front page of the State Journal.
There's also a good piece. I don't I'm sure you've
seen it in the Isthmus. Just really informative and reminding
the public. I've heard of Rigeland over the years, being
in media, of course, but many in the public might
not even realize this is going on in quaint little
Blue Mounts.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
That's right. You would never expect it here in Wisconsin.
That's not how we think we treat animals here. You know,
most of us are very loving towards our dogs. You know,
there's all sorts of dog groomers and dog walkers and
things like that in the community. And so you don't
think that, you know, in these barns hidden away from sight,
that this horrific cruelty is happening.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
And has Rigeland Farms has it been in the same
ownership over the years because this is just looking back
on when and when it began, when they started up
and right now I don't have that sheet.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
But it has it been the same owners.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
So they don't make their ownership public. And we try
not to focus specifically on the owners because we are
concerned about the industry as a whole and the practice
is happening there, not the individual people. Right, So yeah,
we don't want to misdirect that towards individuals when the
problem is enforcement of our laws and the there.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah, and I did get the date here. I guess
it started up back in nineteen sixty six and the
whole purpose, of course was for research here in Madison.
We have a premier research facility in UW Madison, so
I can see how this got up and going. But boy,
times have sure changed since the mid sixties. In fact,
in this day and age, even though I know it

(10:22):
still goes on. But isn't animal testing frowned upon? Didn't
the FDA take some action on this last year?

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah, it's a dying industry, no doubt. UW Madison, even
just twenty five years ago with experimenting on thousands of
dogs each year, Now they experiment on just a few dozen,
which of course is still absolutely horrific. But that shows
you the reduction, right that's happening here as newer technologies

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come online and become available and become more accepted, the
animal experimentation industry is absolutely on its way out.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yeah, And you would say think, you know, with all
the talk we hear about AI taking over everything and
the fears of some of the sectors that may take over,
this would be a sector I would think would be perfect.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah. I mean, I think we're going to look back
on animal experimentation in twenty years, within our lifetime, and
just it's going to be mind baffling that we actually
intentionally subjected animals to the cruelty, the known cruelty, pain
and suffering that we do. It's just going to be unimaginable.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
So as we wait for the process to happen here
in your case in Dane County. Also though you're not
a lobbying group, but in a way indirectly, the work
you've done has caught the attention of some state lawmakers.
A lady and I her name escapes me right now
in Milwaukee. I it is just reading something that she
is looking to get some sort of legislation to address this.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah, Senator Jody Habershtenikin put out a press release saying
that she was going to be working with her colleagues
on legislation about this, and we're of course thrilled to
hear that and to work with any legislator that would
be interested. Again, as citizens, as ordinary people, we want
to talk to our legislators. They represent us, and this

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is important to the vast, vast majority of Wisconsinites care
about this and want to see their legislators take actions.
So I think it's important to speak with legislators and
talk with them as citizens about what we want to
see in our states.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
And it is very much a bipartisan issue, even on
the in Congress, where you can't get them degree on
much of anything. No different than state government actually, but
it's just gotten more and more intense over the past
several years here. But with that legislation in twenty three,
I believe it was that the FDA no longer required

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animal tests before human drug trials and kind of tightened that.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Up the FDA Modernization Act.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, and you had a Democrat Corey Booker and Republican
Rand Paul winning forces and getting consensus in Congress, and
of course that was signed by the President Biden.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
That's right. And oftentimes the Republicans are motivated by the
fiscal irresponsibility of animal experimentation. The you know, billions of dollars,
millions of dollars that are just wasted and thrown down
the drain on pointless and useless animal experiments that do
nothing to benefit humans.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
So why do we have these holdouts, Rebecca, when we're
seeing just the public tide isn't turning. It has turned
against animal research. It doesn't mean that it's completely done
away with it, but the public opinion has very much
turned in the animal's favor. So why do we have
these facilities at all? What's what's the benefit to them?

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Well, they're entrenched, right, So this is an entrenched industry.
It's very difficult when we're going up against you know,
big pharma and you know Ridgeland Fires makes millions of
dollars a year. They have a vested interest in it.
They have a lobbyist at the state capital, and so
they have the money and the resources that you know,

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again we're average citizens. We don't have a lot of
money to pour into this, and so they simply outspend
us and out resource us. And a lot of times,
unfortunately in our system, money.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Talks, and so does when big pharma, the companies that
have their hands in this are uncovered, do they tend
to back off or is it just you know, shining
light on who actually is responsible. It just looks like
you know, Rigeland Farms. I mean, not excusing them whatsoever
if these allegations are true, but that they're just carrying

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out the mission. But you've got bigger players behind them
that are directing this to be done.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Absolutely. I mean so Vance in Madison experiments on thousands
of dogs each year. It's not a small industry. This
is a big industry that we are up against and
they are.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Going to just and Covans, yes, very well known here
in Madison. Is that under your groups on your wish
list of potential focus on Covance or have you have
you done some work, tried any court fine leans or
action against Covans?

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah. Our mission is to end the breeding, sale, and
use of dogs and cats in painful and distressing experimentation
in Dane County and co. Vance is part of that
for sure. We have not tackled that issue yet. Right,
So we are right now, we are focused on Rigeland farms,
but co Vance is a big player. U W. Madison

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also experiments on dogs, and it's important for the public
to know how prevalent this is within Madison, Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, UW Madison in addition to the dogs. I guess
I'm not surprised. I'm sure I knew it, but I
may not have dwelled on it because usually it's been
about the research with monkeys, and they've had rulings against
them for that.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, they've had numerous violations, and I mean this is
kind of embedded in the industry, right, this cruelty, that's
insensitivity towards animals, and so inevitably there's going to be
mistakes made, and each time they're found to be in violation,
you know, it's kind of an oop. Sorry, won't happen again,
but it always does happen again.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
It sure does.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
As far as the legislation that do you know, has
it been introduced yet or is she still in the
in the process of working on it. And this would
encompass not just Ridgeland, but whether it be a co
Vance or any other facilities around the state. She has
she been in touch with you as far as working
on language or what you guys would like to see.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, we are exploring several different options. We obviously want
to make sure that it's bipartisan, that it's widely supported,
and that it's tackling the root cause of the cruelty.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Now, going back before Dane for Dogs was formed in
twenty eighteen, there was a case what was it the
year prior where you had those animal rights activists that
did get into Ridgeland Farms. If you can kind of
just remind listeners, kind of tell the story of what
went down at Ridgeland. I believe it was the spring

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of twenty seventeen.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah, it was the spring of twenty seventeen. Three activists
went into Ridgeland Farms through an unlocked door, took incredible
video footage of what happens in there, because again Ridgeland
Farms doesn't allow the public in. We don't get to
see what's happening in those facilities. And so they went in,
took a lot of footage, and then very bravely published

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that footage along with their names and their faces, and
they stood up and said, this is what's happening, This
is what we did. This is what we saw, and
because of their courage, we were able to learn about
it as local residents. So I'm very grateful to them
for what they did and for their bravery and stepping forward.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
And yeah, and shining light on what was going on
and blowing the whistle. And also I'm sure if they
could have, they would have taken them all, but they
were able to rescue I believe three beagles.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
That's right. Their names are Julie, Anna, and Lucy.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Oh, that's so sweet.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Then they're all doing really well, all very much loved,
very cared for. They do have, you know, significant challenges.
Julie in particular is suffering. She spins still when she walks.
She can't walk in a straight line. Every time she walks,
she spins. And that's because she was kept in such

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a tiny cage for so long where all she could
do day in and day out was spin. So her
life is very challenging, but she's very much loved and
very well cared for.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
That just it makes my heart happy to hear that,
but also breaks at the same time. Also, the reasoning
I've heard of people are wondering, why is it always
uh beagles? It seems to be for this research. From
what I was told and what I read, is it
because of their just cowing to humans. There, their nature
of just wanting to be loved by humans, and so

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they're easy to manipulate.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, there's a couple of reasons there. They are incredibly
sweet and gentle. Right, They're also the right size, so
a large dog would be very difficult to you know,
large dog eats more food, sure it would cost them more.
And a small dog might be difficult to extract organs
from and things. So they are the right size. And

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then their docile nature is obviously you can't have a
dog that's going to bite you when you're doing horrific
things to them. So that's they're we're really taking advantage
of beagles sweet nature when we send them off to
their deaths.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
And now now this case of the animal rights activists,
you know, I'm bringing this to light and with their
footage and their incredible work, charges were actually brought against
them felony, burglary and theft. But this was just last spring,
just not long before their trial. All of a sudden,
poof the charges were dismissed. Now I was reading the

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DIA's office said it was over concerns for their well
being because there had been death threats against Ridgeland Farms
and they didn't want it to go to trial because
they didn't they were getting death threats. But an investigation
found there's like one kind of threat made and one
threat under one threats too many. I'm not trying to

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lighten you know that threats out whatever. I mean, that's
serious stuff and you don't want to go that route,
but continue.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, that's right, and I want to be clear. We
are trying very hard to end the violence, not to
redirect the violence, right, So it's important that our movement
is non violent and that we stand strong in those values.
So I do absolutely condemn any sort of death threats
in the strongest manner. But yes, you're right, it's my understanding.
There was one phone call that was made to Rigulum

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Farms threatening something I don't know, and apparently the Sheriff's
office did not do anything to investigate that either.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
And I guess from the District Attorney's office or whether
it be animal control departments municipalities Madison Dane County has
animal control as to why they're kind of hands off
is because isn't there some law that places like Rigelin

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are exempt from animal cruelty and mistreatment rules because if
they're in compliance with federal regulations for being a federally
licensed facility for research.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
No, that's absolutely not true. Rigeland Farms has two distinct licenses.
One is for research and the other is simply for breeding.
And the vast majority of dogs that Riginal Farms are
there simply to be bred and sold. They are not
covered under the exemption for experimentation. Of course, if experimentation

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were held to animal welfare laws, experimentation would absolutely fall
apart in a minute because it is animal abuse. Yeah,
but most of the dogs that are original farms, the
vast majority thousands of dogs there are simply held and
bred and then sold to other facilities for experimentation. They're
in an entirely different license that is covered by the

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Animal Welfare Act.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
But yeah, but according to the statement from the Sheriff's office,
they're of the belief that they're exempt from law. And
so I guess you guys can your take on it
is very different from the Sheriff's department. That's where you
have to get the courts involved and.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
The judge's opinion is very different too.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Right, yeah, oh absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
That's what the finding is. So yeah, I will leave
it up to the lawyers to argue that in the courts.
But I think at the end of the day, the
general public wants dogs to be treated well. They don't
think the dogs should be kept in stacked pages in
horrific conditions. I'll notice. I'll note as well, the Department
of Agriculture, Trade and Consumer Protection has done inspections at

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rigelind Farms every two years. They've repeatedly found violations for
not just injuries untreated injuries on the dogs, but also
the overwhelming ammonia and species smell within the facility. This
is an absolute puppy mill that we're talking about here.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
And so okay, so the Department of egg is doing
this as they should do. They then what it gets
handed off to the local officials who are just pushing
it aside, or does Rigeland just pay the fines and
carry on.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
To date, as far as we know, there have been
absolutely no consequences. And this is part of our frustration
is that these inspections happen, they're paid for with taxpayer dollars,
but in order to get a copy of the inspections,
we have to submit a Freedom of Information Act request
to DATCAPS. The last time I submitted that request, they
took three months to respond. So we are always working

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on a long delay to get this information. And it
shouldn't be that difficult to find out what our taxpayer
dollars are doing.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
No, no, I'd agree, Well this is really wow. What
an involved process and just actually it seems like you
are just you know, spinning in circles trying to make
something happen. I get why, Well, it was it was
a rare ruling from the judge earlier this month. But
the ruling itself, hopefully it leads to success for your

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group's cause. But the ruling itself was a big win
for you guys.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
The ruling is a big win, absolutely, But I don't
want people to forget that dogs are still the doctor
are still average on farms right now, and it didn't
this decision. It's an important step, but it didn't resk
a single dog yet. The dogs have not been seized,
and our government officials, especially Governor Evers and his Department
of Agriculture, they're failing us. He has the authority to

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revoke Ridgeland's license to sell dogs. They have the authority
to seize all the dogs into government custody and get
them to immediate safety, and we have been asking him
to do that, and thus far he has not.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
So if anybody listening wants to help out with this cause,
right to Governor Evers by all means correspond.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah. Yes. It is his Department of Agriculture, Trade and
Consumer Protection that licenses this facility to sell dogs, that
has been documenting the violations during their inspections, that have
heard these complaints, that have received the judge's decision, and
they are still continuing to license this facility. They could
revoke that license immediately. State law gives them that authority,

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and they thus far have chosen not to.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Could you also ask, and I'm sure you know much
better how to work the or what you need to do,
uh legal legally, can you ask for an injunction right
away to or some sort of immediate release of the
dogs while this case plays out. Can you do that
before a judge or do you have to go through
the special prosecutor here and wait for this to play out.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Our lawyers are looking into that right now.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Okay, and I guess I'll let that be because I
don't want you to play any sort of hand, because
you had just said a little bit ago that the
ruling is huge, but you don't want people to forget that.
Right now as we speak, those poor dogs are still there,
and I can guarantee you I'm not going to forget
that now for for weeks that's going on to me.

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But I sure hope that we have more immediate success
rather than waiting for the uh, the legal wheels or
you know, to get there. Hopefully, Yeah, you can find
some way to get those get those pups out. And
I know that you know some of not so much supporters.

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I don't know of any unless you're big farm. I'm
making a lot of money off of it. I don't
know anybody that really would support like, oh, yeah, use
dogs for medical research. What's the big or any animals
for that manner. But I guess part of the defense
would be, well, you know it's an animal. Wouldn't you
prefer that you sacrifice an animal to help you know

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your loved ones, your elderly relatives, your child with cancer.
But again that's just not the case anymore as far
as medical treatments and it's no longer required.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
That's right. It's a false choice that they're presenting, right.
They have a vested interest in this industry. They are
making money off of this. Every time Rigion Farm sells dogs,
they make money, and so of course they're going to
have a vested interest in saying that it works. But
the fact is, over the last several decades, many studies
have been done that show animal research is simply not
predictive of human results. Right, So you can have things

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that pass animal experiments that then fail in humans. You
can have things that fail in animal experiments that then
help humans. So anybody who's you know, eaten chocolate knows this, Right,
you can't give chocolate to your dog, but I think
for many of us, chocolate is an important part of
our line. And so, you know, dogs are not miniature humans.
Animals are not miniature humans. The species are different. And

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with the new technologies that are now readily available, our
government is beginning to recognize this. Like you said, the
FDA Modernization Act now no longer requires animal testing be
done on drugs, and so there are absolutely changes that
are coming, and I think that's one of the important
things This is a dying industry, and we are trying

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to accelerate modernization because every dollar that our government spend
on animal experimentation is a dollar that is not being
spent on future, more modern methods, and so we want
to accelerate, accelerate that research with modern methods rather than out.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Absolutely again, I've been talking with Rebecca Robinson. She is
the president of Dane for Dogs, which just had a
major win definitely long ways to go yet, but a
major win in Dane County Court earlier this month, a
judge ruled to order a special prosecutor to pursue felony
charges against this dog breeder in Blue Mounds, Rigeland. I

(29:23):
have been pressed to find any sort of response from Rigeland.
I'm guessing that's by their choice. And once again, if
we can just pass along, if you want to help
as far as immediate release, freeing these dogs sooner rather
than later. The best course of action to take, Rebecca

(29:45):
is what.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Contact Governor Evers ask him to revoke their license to
sell dogs immediately.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
All right, again, Rebecca Robinson my guest this morning, president
of Dane for Dogs. Rebecca, thank you so much, and
you do such great work.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Thank you so much. I appreciate you taking the time
to cover this important story.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Absolutely, you've been listening to Madison for them