Kyle Kriegl - Executive Director for the Southwest Wisconsin Chapter of the Red Cross.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning. I'm Robin Colbert and this is Madison Forum.
I guess this morning is Kyle Krigel. He is the
executive director of the Southwest Chapter of the American Red Cross. Kyle,
thank you so much for joining me this morning.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Thank you, Robin. Glad to be here.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
You know, this is one of my honestly one of
my favorite traditions here in the Madison area around Christmas.
It's the annual Red Cross Holiday Blood Drive. And how
long has this been going on here in Madison? The
Alligant It's always been at the Aligned Energy Center.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Right, it has, and this is the thirty ninth annual
Holiday blood drive.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Quite amazing, it is.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
It is amazing. Of course, there were a couple off
years with a pandemic. We don't want to remember those days.
But have have you bounced back for the holiday drive
since things reopened? What has it been now we're twenty four,
it's been a couple of years, I guess yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
And actually I think the only in the last several
years that I've been part of this event, I think
we only cancel it once. It was actually because of
the oh geez so we had when it was a blizzard.
I think that they were forecasting for that day, so
we had to we want to make sure everybody was safe.
But it is looking good for this year. And so

(01:12):
again I can't believe we're like a week away from
Christmas or just about a couple of days from Christmas.
And so this is just a great way for people
to you know, come out and inspect that one last
gift that you can give on Christmas Eve, December twenty fourth,
from seven am to one pm. So it's just a
great way to give, you know, that one last gift.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
And yeah, so this this is going to be this
coming Tuesday is Christmas Eve, So this will be this
Tuesday morning, seven am until one in the afternoon. And
what's so cool? Well, first of all, you had mentioned Kyle,
just you know, we're in especially a giving a mood
this time of year. But Madison's a very charitable community.

(01:54):
I don't need to tell you that. I'm sure you're
well aware.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yes, And you know, one of the things that I'm
most proud of with this particular blood drive, it is
the largest one day blood drive that we have in Wisconsin.
You know, we collect you know, this day on December
twenty fourth, you know, just you know, seven a half
to one pm. We have a goal of six hundred

(02:19):
and fifty units of blood to collect, and you know
that is that is by far our largest drive that
we have each year here in Wisconsin. We're just so
proud of people that come out to help with us.
You know, you're saving the life by doing this and
just just something really great to give back. Again. We're
all in the season of giving right now and this

(02:40):
is a great opportunity to do it. And besides, all
of you know this, you know, giving coming out giving,
and I will just say that, you know that, I
just thinking like last year myself being there and seeing
families bringing their kids, bringing their their their whole family
to this event dressed and how day costumes uh uh.

(03:04):
And you know, we have lots of food and music
and some prizes that we give away, like some the
T shirts of course, and so it's just it's just
a great, great time.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
To give back, it is, and and everybody can for
the most part. Of of course, there are some restrictions.
There are there are probably very few restrictions anymore as
far as blood donation. Correct.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, actually, you know, recently, I know that the FBA
had changed some of the rules and requirements UH for
for donating and so some of that has changed and
so made it more UH flexible for folks to give.
And Robin, one of the things that we just launched
here in the last couple of weeks in Wisconsin is
UH will will be offering freehemoglobe and testing UH and

(03:48):
blood pressure and temperature checks. So just some really you know,
and it's not invasive. So I mean normally when you
get your hemoglobe and checked, they'd have to do a
little prick of your your finger and and now it's
it's we don't have to do that, so it's not invasive.
So just you know, another great thing to give back
is part of a donation.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, and you know, and so people if finances, you know,
we're for plenty of us money is still rather tied
to inflation, what have you. This is something everybody can
give back and give and help save life. And you
have mentioned the families and I've been there myself and
seeing it in person. I mean, it's the tradition. It's
a family tradition for a lot of families here in

(04:28):
the Madison area and also business groups and other just
friends getting their groups together and this is it's like,
you know, Black Friday, you have the tradition going out
hitting the store and Christmas even Madison, it's giving blood.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
That's right, absolutely, and again it's just it's a wonderful,
wonderful day to feel good, to make a difference in
the community, just a really great part to give back.
And I do want to say too, Robin, one of
the things that we see that happened during the holidays
is that you know a lot of people are traveling
or they're away from home, and so we see a

(05:04):
drop off in blood donations, you know, during this time
of year. So that's why it's so critical that people
come out and give blood at this time.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
And now let's say if somebody who's listening and they
haven't given blood for a number of years and they're wondering, oh, gone,
am I eligible? Probably so, But what do you tell
them if they're wondering if they can donate or not?

Speaker 2 (05:27):
You know, one of the first things that I always
say is that you know, are you do you feel healthy?
Are you will? Are you you know? Because I know
that unfortunately, you know, the food season is around and
stuff like that, and so we always say to folks,
you know, make sure you're feeling good and healthy, well hydrated.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
If you're questioning anything as far as if you're able
to give, you can always call one hundred Red Cross. Uh.
You know, I've got some tips and some things there.
Always consult your doctor or personal physician as well, but generally,
if you're in good health, then you're able to uh,
we will gladly take you. I always say to folks,
just if you're getting ready for a blood drive or

(06:05):
just to give blood again, make sure you have a
good meal, you're well hydrated, and then you're feeling healthy.
Just some really good tips there to make a good donation.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, and if you're going to be one of the
early ones at seven am when you start up on Tuesday,
make sure maybe you have something in addition to your
morning coffee. Because I've been in that situation where I
hadn't put much thought into it and then I had
donated when I hadn't eaten much, and that will that'll
just kind of make even woozier. So yeah, by all means,

(06:34):
have a couple pieces of toast. Plus you guys, as
you had mentioned, you have goodies all over the place,
right I was going.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
To say, we've got lots of juice and you know,
things to drink to keep you hydrated, snacks, I know,
there'll be lots of holiday goodies there. So yeah, well
our canteen is well stocked that day for folks coming in.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Okay, great, And of course this is the as you
had mentioned, the largest one day blood drive in Wisconsin.
So our focus this morning is on annual Red Cross
a holiday blood drive. But let's say you know, yeah,
you are out of town and you can't make it
to this. I mean you you take blood donations every
every day at Sheboygan Avenue or or no are there?

(07:16):
Do you have to wait for a drive?

Speaker 2 (07:20):
So they answer your question. We in the Madison area,
we have actually two fixed site locations, so the one
on Shewegan Avenue, you're absolutely right, and it is opened
every day. The hours may differ, so we'd always ask
you that you can go online and certainly check the hours,
and we always also do encourage to make an appointment.
That's the best way to ensure that you're there. Your

(07:40):
appointment will the honor. Also, we have a new site
on the east side of Madison. Great over there in
the American Family Parkway to great brand new location and
it's easy, you know, to access for folks Bust Lane there.
So if folks can you know one of those two locations.
And of course, as you said, we do have community

(08:01):
blood drives that are all throughout the Madison area between
Christmas and New Year's and then I know that even
statewide there are other blood drives that are going on,
so lots of opportunities. Even if you're not in Madison,
check one of our other sites across the state. You
can certainly make an appointment and donate.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Now, I know there was a critical short shortage a
while back. Forgive me, I can't recall it was a
couple months ago. I just remember the Red Cross and
die or need. How is our supply looking around the
holidays here?

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, a good question we had. It really wasn't a shortage,
but there was. There was certainly a drop off that
we had seen in donations over the summer, and again
a lot of the robins attributed to again people traveling
and just not able to keep their donor their appointments
during the summertime. It is stable, it is safe right now,

(08:53):
but again we want to make sure we're ahead of
it because again you know, with the holiday season, we
don't want to see a drop off. So that's why
again we're encouraging folks to donate. And I will just
say too that even in January. Hey look, I'm I'm
born and raised in Wisconsin. It's a January February cold
months and people may not want to come out. Those
are critical months as well. So folks, if you're not

(09:13):
able to during the holidays, make sure to get that
appointment in right away in January, in February, okay, and
we can donate it once every fifty six days, So again,
don't feel bad if you can't do now, just make
your next appointment when you can.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
And what's the other big donation that goes through the
Red Cross in addition to blood? What am I and
that a loss? Not platelets?

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Oh? Well, yeah, certainly platelets are another one. Those are
usually collected again at our at our fixed site locationship
Wigan Avenue and also on American Family Parkway out there
on the east side of Madison. Those will take a
little bit longer, you know, a normal blood donation, we
can have you in a there in about an hour,

(10:02):
but we do encourage again to make an appointment, or
if you have the blood app, it's a great thing
to have on your phone. You can you can make
your appointment. And there's a rapid pass as well to
kind of help speed things up.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
So rapid pass like a great America speed pass. You
can speed pass at the at the blood drive.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
That's awesome, Yeah, you can. That helps to kind of
help speed things up. So if you fill that out
ahead of time, some of those questions that they ask,
that'll help you go through the process a lot quicker.
Now is the strongly encourage that go ahead.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Is the Red Cross at all involved in over the
years we've been seeing increased attention and uh, just how
valuable it is for pet blood donation. Are you guys
involved in that or does like a humane society or
some animal group handle that.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
I'm not aware of that, but I can say the
Red Cross we're not involved with with pet blood nations.
But I will say that the American Red Cross we
do have Pet first Aid and we do have a
pet first Aid app that does walk you through steps
on things like you know your dog and cat care
in emergencies, and that Pet first Aid app is available

(11:17):
free to download on your mobile device. I know there's
some cool features on there that I like. If you travel,
if you get a dog. Uh, there's a feature on
there with the Pet First Ad app that actually tells
you where the closest hotel is is pet friendly within
fifty mile radius. So uh. And there's other things on
there as well that you can put on there for

(11:38):
your from your vet. So again, know where we do
we do teach pet first aid.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
So okay, good deal. And I tell you as a
pet owner that app that is a lifesaver, that's for sure.
That's a good thing to oh absolutely to have on
your phone. This past week, Kyle Madison area rocked by
the Abundant Life Christian School and the deadly shooting that happened.
First of all, I really wasn't sure if I know.

(12:07):
Red Cross volunteers respond to every sort of disaster and emergency.
Does the Red Cross get involved in what's become unfortunately
common occurrence anymore in America mass shootings? Does the Red
Cross get unseen and assist as well? Well?

Speaker 2 (12:28):
First, I do want to say again our hearts and
prayers go out to everyone that was impacted from this event,
and it just it rocked all of us. It just
kind of makes us take a step back and go,
you know, just take a pause and just hits each
one of us differently. The Red Cross we've been a

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part of it to helping us support our emergency responders
in the community. There's some different ways and we continue
to stand forward and ready to help. And it's just
where needed, whether it's you know, helping support with canteigning
or mental health resources, We're ready to help support the
commune any way we can in a days and weeks ahead.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
So yeah, and a lot of people that I'm guessing
will need some mental health services. It's just, you know,
we've seen it unfortunately, we've seen it too much around
our country. But it's just it really hits first of
all if you have a direct level one involved, obviously,
but just seeing you know, the images you're seeing this
of places that you go by every day, you know

(13:36):
that's our Madison and it's just it's horrifying.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yes, absolutely, Again, it's just for all of us that
just hits us again, our thoughts and perser with everybody
that's been impacted by this.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
But one positive I did see in the aftermath, and
of course people just wanting to help in any way
they can. And I noticed quite a few people saying,
you know what I'm going to do, I'm going to
go give blood today, And I thought, cool that that
is just a wonderful way to try and help ease
the suffering that this has caused. Have you seen an

(14:13):
uptick in the number of people reaching out for donating.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
I haven't seen the numbers lately. I know, I know
that you know, some people, that is the way that
h they look at a way to kind of help
cope with this, and so you know, that's certainly welcome.
You know, if that's the way that it helps you heal,
that is a great way to to make a difference. Yeah,

(14:43):
you know, it does. It does help our community. So
that's certainly a way that folks can to give back
and to help help recover from this.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
So if anybody listening this morning and has been in
that mindset of wanting to, you know, help out the
Madison community. Perfect way is coming up on Tuesday at
the thirty ninth annual Red Cross Holiday blood Drive at
the Alliance Energy Center. Again starts up at seven in
the morning Christmas Eve runs until one in the afternoon,

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so just make note of that, and that's definitely a
way you can you know, we all feel so helpless
in these things, and this is just a way a
little It seems like a little thing, but it can
go a long way. I don't need to tell you
as far as Wisconsin's blood supply, So how does it
work here in the state. I know we used to

(15:33):
have different like we were the Badger Chapter, but now
it's kind of been regionalized a little differently.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Right, Yeah, we're all connected, Madison, Milwaukee, Green Bay, Wassau, Claire, Lacrosse,
we're all part of the Wisconsin region, and we collectively
try to help support the nation's blood supply. And again,
one of the things that books may not realize is
that the American Red Cross we provide a forty percent

(15:59):
of the nation's blood supply, so whenever they do natural disaster, yes,
the American Red Cross does supply about forty percent of
the nation's blood supply, and so we want to make
sure that that level is, you know, maintained constantly. So
we need folks to kind of help out whenever you can,
because you never know where you know a lot of

(16:20):
people will donate if you've got the blood app on
your phone, you can see where your blood goes to
help support people, whether it's here locally here in the
Madison area or Chicago, or out east or out west,
lots of different places that people's blood may go. And
so that's one of the cool things that when you
donate blood you can kind of see where it goes.
And a lot of people really like to see how

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much that is.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
That is kind of kind of cool. You know, technology
is just mind blowing as far as the things we
can do anymore. Just tracking where your blood donation is going,
that's that's kind of cool.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
And Robin, I do want to just add to that
again when we are encouraging folks for the holiday blood
drive to make an appointment because it helps us kind
of space things out for the day.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Oh sure, so don't just show up, okay, I mean,
we certainly are taking walkings, but we are encouraged, strongly
encouraging folks to make an appointment and you can go
to redcrossblood dot org to make that appointment, or you
can call one hundred Red Cross to make your appointment.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
It just it really helps with flower that day and
it kind of guarantees you your time slot when you'll
be in there, but we are taking walkings, but it's
very strongly encouraged to make an appointment ahead of time.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
I think, great, I'm glad you brought that up, and
we'll hit that again before we have to wrap it
up this morning. But just to remind people, if you can,
by all means, if you can make an appointment, do that. Now.
Looking back, we're getting at the end of twenty twenty four,
this was another really busy year as far as disasters
here in Wiscon and we had most double the amount

(18:02):
of tornadoes than what we average. It was just a
crazy year. I know, Red Cross of volunteers out and about,
and also with hurricane recovery, Right, Robert.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
This has been just one of those years that I
have never seen before. Just thinking about our area here,
I mean, I will talk nationally, but in February we
had a tornado down by Evansville. I mean, who would
have thoughk a tornado in the middle, you know, in
February in wiscons So you know, we've certainly were helping
support that relief effort, and and we still have folks

(18:39):
that are helping to support that are actually deployed in
supporting the southeast from you ashtral Carolina, Florida, So we
still have some folks down there helping with the recovery efforts.
But yeah, it's been just a tremendous, tremendous year in
the number of disasters, and you know, we certainly see

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you I think about our folks over in Iowa. You know,
they had you know, they had the same storms that
hit in February and it didn't really stop in Iowa
until this summer, so they had constant storms that they
were responding to. So it's been a very very busy
year disaster wise force and the number of those billion
dollar disaster operations have we're seeing more and more of

(19:23):
those that are happening more frequently, and certainly we're you know,
we had a great outpouring of folks that have stepped
up and become new volunteers to help us with those
response efforts. One thing I do want to just also
mention too, You're right, we're kind of coming to the
end of the calendar year. One of the things that

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we're looking for as well our hero nominations. We we
do have a little Hero's event in the spring, and
we're looking for Hero nominations from our area and the
deadline is December thirty first, So I would encourage folks
if you can. There's six different categories from like a

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community impact Hero, a blood Hero, Military Hero, a youth
in Young Adult Hero, disaster responder, and just yeah, there's
six different categories. So if folks can go on the
Red Cross Redcross dot org slash Wisconsin, it's right on

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our homepage to nominate a hero. Just a couple of
paragraphs describing why this individual should be nominated. We're looking
for those, and so folks could go online and nominate
a hero, that would be great. We could, really we
want to make sure these folks.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Are honored, absolutely, Kyle. Do we still have volunteers? You know,
as the headlines change from day to day, the devastation
in North Carolina Asheville is but a memory unfortunately for
some of us here when you know there's life goes
on and we have our own issues to deal with,
but it's very still ongoing the recovery. Do we still

(21:07):
have volunteers that are on location there or maybe in
Florida or in the aftermath of the hurricanes.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
We do.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
We do have local volunteers that from Wisconsin that are
supporting the relief efforts there. We're going to be there
on the ground for quite some time to support those
families as they recover from those hurricanes. I just listening
to several of volunteers and even colleagues of mine that
have come back, especially around the Asheville area. I mean

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the roads and infrastructure that just getting into places, it's
so so difficult. I mean, those aren't going to be
built in a day. It's going to take weeks and
months and years to replace or to build those back.
And so we're on the ground where they're still helping folks.
And you know, even Ashville, they they've already had their

(22:02):
first snow, so they're you know, many of those books
are still you know, they're they're trying to rebuild their
homes and where they're premium providing I think, you know,
certainly food even chain saws and propane and gas to
help them with their chain saws, things just kind of
help them with their recovery, whatever their their needs are,

(22:25):
to help help them with the recovery. So, as I said,
we're going to be there a long time to help
them with the recovery efforts and that's in the Carolinas
and Georgia was impacted in Florida. We're still there as well,
helping those folks Florida. Think about it, they've they've been
hit so many times. It's it's tough for them to rebuild.

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And so we're gonna be there a while to help
support them.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
And these volunteers who go out, who I always wonder
who are these people just as far as uh their background,
I mean, is this somebody that can take a leave
of absence from their work or are they emass that
volunteer for the Who are these people?

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Everything everyone you just said, but just to kind of
describe it a little bit further though, So when when
our volunteers go out on deployment, it's usually for two weeks.
The only you know, we'll take care of the arrangements
to get them there. It's usually just their their time.
Have that two weeks to available to go. It's not

(23:29):
a vacation. When you go, you may be sleeping out
a cot and amongst the you know, forty to fifty
people of your co workers. But you know, it's just
in its long days, hard days. But you know, these
folks want we don't just deploy. Once you become a volunteer,
we do have a series of trainings and things that

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we put them through so that they're equipped and ready
to go down there to support those disasters. One thing
I'll say, Robin that I really like it certainly when
they come back and I hear their stories, I feel
so much better knowing that we've got these books that
are trained and experienced here locally to help us when
we have our disasters. And Yeah, so it's really really

(24:12):
helpful to know that we've got those resources here as well.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah, and it's not just always in the headline grabbing
disasters that we hear about with tornadoes or you know,
you have your your daily fires that that's a headline
event for a single family. You know that you have
to be on call and ready to respond.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah. One example, I can just get here locally. You
know this this this last week, we've had a large
apartment fires Fitchburg. Yeah, and we've been sheltering folks in
a shelter here locally to support those books as they
work through their recovery efforts. So it's it's been quite
an experience here here us locally. So it doesn't stop

(24:55):
and can especially now during the winter season, you know, heating,
we usually do see the uptick in the in the
number of home fires.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah. Absolutely, and so if in addition to donating your blood,
which is the greatest gift, but money is also good
for whatever reason. If you can't give blood online, I'm
guessing on your website, there are ways that you can
go and donate donate. Financial donations are always welcome.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Right, always welcome. But I will also say too that volunteers.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Oh sure, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Would say press. It's it's three things. If if you're
not able to support us financially, if you can support
us with a blood donation or become a volunteer, any
one of those ways helps support the Red Cross to
help get back to your community. That those are the
ways that we're looking for help.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Do you know, off the top of your head, Kyle does,
how many volunteers are with the Southwest Chapter.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, we have well over I think it's just over
six hundred volunteers that help us, you know, deliver services
every day in the Southwest Chapter. I do want to
just also mention too that you know, think of the
Red Cross this way. Ninety percent of our workforce is
made up of volunteers, and ninety of every dollar you

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donate goes for our mission related services. So ninety is
kind of a big number for us, and so I
just I always like to say that, you know, we depend.
We couldn't do our mission every day without volunteers, and
that's from blood drives to responding to disasters, to helping
out when there are Yellow Ribbon events for our military.
We're there every day, but it's it's it's done through volunteers,

(26:43):
and we've got great local volunteer leadership that helps us
as well deliver that mission every day.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Good.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
I can tell you're very proud of your We should
all be proud of the American Red Cross, the organization
and the work that they do. And hats off to
the volunteers. But you can always choose more. I'm guessing, Oh, yes, yes,
there's never a dull moment. So we are coming up
on our time here. I've been talking with Kyle Kriegel.

(27:11):
He is the executive director of the Southwest Chapter of
the American Red Cross here in Wisconsin, and our main
focus this morning has been the big one. They're Super
Bowl of blood drives that is happening this coming Tuesday,
Christmas Eve, Kyle, if you just want to run down
some of the highlights.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Again, Yeah, absolutely, so again, this is the thirty ninth
annual Holiday blood drive at the La Energy Center in Madison.
It is from seven am to one pm. You can
go to Red crossblood dot org or call one Red
Cross to make an appointment. We'll have lots of snacks
and cookies and Christmas music giveaways. I know that there's

(27:54):
the Snowby's Red Cross T shirt that will be given
away to each blood donor. Just a great, great way
to give back, that one last gift before Christenings.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
And it's just a it's a very important. It's a fun,
festive event, but it's also vital because this, as you
had mentioned earlier on, it's the largest one day blood
drive in Wisconsin. So six and fifty units, so like
a unit per person. I guess, how does that break down?

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Well, that's the six hundred, that's the unit. That's our goal.
So we probably I would love to go over that goal,
so if we could, if we could get to seven hundred,
that would even be better. But yeah, typically when you donate,
it's about a unit per person that is given, so
just a great, great trick time to It's easy to do,
you know, making sure you give that unit of blood

(28:44):
to help save someone's life or if there's a blood
transfusion or you know, disaster accident, car accident or something,
because you never know if that's that could impact even
someone like a family member.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Oh absolutely, yeah, I remember recovering.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
From cancer, just a great, great way to get back.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Totally forgot about the car accident factor of it. And
those are just numerous, non stop and yeah, absolutely well, Kyle,
I'm crossing my fingers and hoping. I'm pretty sure you're
going to get a good turnout and hopefully you can
get to that seven hundred unit donation for the thirty
ninth annual Red Cross Holiday Blood Drive again taking place

(29:24):
Christmas Eve this coming Tuesday. Please do try to make
an appointment walk in so Kyle said, are accepted, but
they really prefer you make an appointment just so they
make sure they got everything running smoothly, not overwhelmed at
you know, one time or what have you. Kyle, have
a merry Christmas. Okay, thank you so much for joining me.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Very Christmas and Happy New Year to you as well.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
You've been listening to Madison for them,