March 1, 2025 • 45 mins
Broadcasting from 4,200 feet in the high desert, Sam Wilson is back with another episode of the Make It Out Alive podcast. This week, we dig into the bizarre and the brutal, from political press battles to street-level chaos.
- The AP vs. The White House – What happens when the press refuses to acknowledge an official name change? The AP is locked in a standoff with the Trump administration over the "Gulf of America," and a federal judge weighs in.
- Road Rage Gone Wild – A Memphis man takes an axe to a car after a fender bender, while in New York, an irate driver chokes out an elderly bus driver. We break down why situational awareness is more important than ever.
- Pepper Spray vs. Kangaroos? – After last week's discussion, we finally have an answer: Does pepper spray work on an angry kangaroo? A wild encounter in Australia proves that sometimes, even marsupials need to be subdued.
- The Naked Hiker of LA – A man is found stranded and completely naked in the hills of suburban Los Angeles. How did he get there? Why was he naked? We may never know.
Plus, Sam shares personal stories of survival, self-defense tips, and a sneak peek at next week's topic—what to do if you're caught in a bear attack… with only a knife.
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Come in to you from 4,200 feet in the hill.
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It's the voice of Chaytown, the reddest beard in the high desert.
Your host of the Make It Out Alive broadcast, Sam Wilson.
Alright folks, how are you doing today?
We are back with another episode of the MOA broadcast.
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Let's get right into it.
Now we go back for some news.
If you've seen the last two episodes, let's jump to one thing first.
As mentioned before, here at the MOA broadcast, we remain apolitical.
We're not going to get into our politics, your politics, or anyone else's.
We just do what the news used to do years ago, which is give you the information and
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then you can make your own decision and draw your own conclusion.
That being said, sometimes the topics we touch on and discuss are political in nature.
Again in those cases, we just give you the facts.
So in the last two episodes, we've been covering this ongoing saga with the AP, the Associated
Press.
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We don't need to explain it again.
It's been covered multiple times.
If you haven't caught the last episodes three and four, I believe we discuss it fairly in
depth there.
President Donald Trump changed the name legally.
He has the authority to do so from the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America.
Whether you like it or not, that's the way it is.
So we move on, right?
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For some reason or another, the AP, the Associated Press, they refuse to acknowledge this or
to refer to it by the name of the Gulf of America.
They're sticking with Gulf of Mexico.
So as we covered in last week's episode, they were barred from entering the Oval Office
and Air Force One to cover press events.
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They had to wait outside.
They're still unable to access the White House.
They haven't had their press credentials revoked, but they are unable to get access to those
most intimate areas with the president.
So we have an update this week.
Excuse me.
A federal judge on Monday refused to immediately order the White House to restore the Associated
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Press access to presidential events, saying the news organization had not demonstrated
it had suffered any irreparable harm.
So basically they had sued the White House or Trump.
I don't know exactly who it, I think it gets into it later on in the article.
It doesn't really matter.
But they wanted to get a restraining order to block the White House from preventing them
from having access in those areas.
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U.S. District Judge Trevor McFadden said the AP had not proven harm requiring an immediate
restraining order.
But he cautioned the White House that the law wasn't on its side in barring AP over continuing
to refer to the Gulf of Mexico.
Not simply the Gulf of America has Trump decreed in an executive order.
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Now he did this with an executive order along with the Department of the Interior.
It was a legal name change.
Again, some people are going to like it, some are not.
I don't really think many of us spend that much time talking about the Gulf of America
or the Gulf of Mexico.
But for whatever reason, the AP has decided to get locked into this battle of wills with
the White House or Trump or whoever they are doing this with.
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It seems pretty clearly viewpoint discrimination, McFadden told Brian Hudeck, if I'm pronouncing
that correctly, a government attorney.
With no ruling made, the White House is free to continue barring the AP from the Oval Office
and beyond.
There is a case it is promised to or is scheduled to be heard later in March when there will
be another hearing.
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The White House lawyer Hudeck said that just because an AP reporter and photographer had
long held a place in the White House press pool, didn't mean the agency was entitled
to it in perpetuity.
That's not just special access, that's extra special access, Hudeck said, noting that AP
journalists continue to access the White House and publish news from events even when
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its journalists are not present in the room where they happen.
The president can choose who to speak with, he says.
There is a hearing set for March 20 where additional arguments will be made.
So I guess we will see what happens and update you in this ongoing battle of wills between
the AP and the White House.
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Just seems like an odd thing to dig your heels.
I mean, why not just call it the when you're in America where they operate, call it what
it's legally been changed to here.
As we discussed in past episodes, the mapping programs, Google Maps, Apple Maps, they have
changed their name to Gulf of America.
I just don't see what they really gain out of this long term.
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I guess they have a big victory then that will give them some street cred or whatever,
but maybe bargaining power in future cases.
I don't know, but it just seems like an odd thing.
I can't remember the last time I've had a conversation about the Gulf.
All right, we move on now to Memphis, Tennessee.
This is why situational awareness is so important.
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Okay, police are searching for a man who was seen on video attacking a car with an ax
following a collision in Memphis, Tennessee.
Another motorist captured video showing an unidentified man wielding an ax and striking
another vehicle on Saturday, February 22, according to police.
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In the video, the suspect can be seen striking the side of the vehicle multiple times before
stepping away.
They take the jacket off, throw it on the ground, stare at the victim, and then they
pick their jacket back up and walk away.
So what happened?
Apparently, the suspect, the ax-wielding man, was rear-ended by another vehicle being driven
by a man and his girlfriend.
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After the collision, the unidentified man whose car was hit exited his vehicle and began
yelling at passengers before retrieving an ax.
Why in the world would you have an ax in your car?
And yes, he has a car.
We'll get to that in a moment.
I'm from the country.
I use an ax all the time.
I can see it possibly being there in Memphis, Tennessee.
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I don't know.
Regardless, not illegal.
I don't think anyway.
But why would you go and get an ax over a rear-end collision?
I mean, it's now a problem for insurance to handle.
Who knows who had what who didn't have insurance?
We don't know.
All we know is that he began to take an ax and chop at the car.
I saw the video on the news website I went to.
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I wasn't able to find it.
But I saw the footage on X or Twitter.
If you do not have that program, I recommend it personally if you are able to deal with
seeing the raw truth out there.
It's called X.
Used to be called Twitter.
The reason I like it is you can get the raw, unfiltered footage.
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Like we talked about earlier.
I don't want some newscaster to tell me what I should think or what I should believe based
on the news.
Obviously, I would like to see the raw numbers, the raw footage, or hear the raw data.
I'll make a decision myself on what I believe about that.
And if you watch news on TV versus getting raw footage and things from X or other places,
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it's shocking the amount of stuff that is just not covered.
And many times you'll see footage in a news report.
Then you watch the whole thing on X.
It has been dramatically edited, obviously, with a purpose.
And we're not going to get into that again.
We say political, but clearly some of this footage is sometimes twisted.
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I don't like to have, I would rather have the raw data.
I'm an adult.
I can make the decision myself.
I'll interpret it the way I see fit.
And sometimes I'm going to be wrong.
Sometimes I'll be right.
But what I don't want is someone I've never met who may or may not have a political agenda
to decide what I should hear and what I should see and what news is important to me.
So anyway, that's that in the video, you see the guy walk up and strike the vehicle at
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least two or three times.
He busts out the front and back windshield.
And I think he takes a few chops with the car along the way.
To me, let's see, after van lights and the victim's car, the suspect got back into his
car and drove away.
No injuries were reported according to police.
The part that stuck out to me was the people in the car that was literally being chopped
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up with an axe.
They just sat there.
Like they could have, they could have, and I don't know what exactly went on.
You know, it's hard to Monday morning quarterback things when it comes to use as a force or
violent situations.
You never know what's going on in someone's head.
There may be other factors.
The video doesn't show.
Who knows.
But the video was taken by somebody in the car behind the accident.
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There's very clear video of it.
And they just sit there.
There's there's no traffic or no substantial traffic in front of them.
They could have driven away.
They don't know why they chose to stay there while this guy attacked their car with an
axe.
The first thing I would have done, hopefully the way what I think I would have done is,
you know, we talk called create distance, get out of there.
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The guy has an axe.
Clearly he is not acting in soundness of mind and in a legal manner.
Who knows what he's going to do next.
But that was the part that stuck with me.
They just, they just sat there while this guy was chopping their car up.
So, you know, again, who knows what was going on in their mind and what they had.
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Maybe they had a plan.
I don't know.
But they just sat there.
The suspects vehicle was described as a 2012 Chevy Impala.
Not going to lie.
I'm not quite sure that's the car.
I'd be willing to go to war over a 2012.
What is that?
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13 years old Chevy Impala.
I mean, I think I would probably just let insurance deal with it.
But who knows his decision.
All right, we go to New York City.
Another one was situational awareness dealing with road rage.
If you look up road rage, this is probably, I haven't ranked these things, but man, there
are so many road rage incidents in the United States alone on a daily basis that it is.
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It's crazy.
You can take your pick from stories to go through about road rage.
This one takes us to New York City.
Let me grab a drink here.
Okay.
I rate motorist Chokes MTA bus driver in New York City road rage attack after fender bender,
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according to officials.
And I rate driver slugged and choked in elderly MTA bus driver in a road rage attack in Brooklyn,
according to police and transit officials.
Chavon Legal 25 of unpronouncing that right.
I don't know.
Lunge at the 68 year old B 26 driver on Halsey Street near Lewis Avenue in Bedford's
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Diverson.
If you've been to New York, Bedford's Diverson explains a lot.
We'll get to that later.
After the two vehicles collided in a fender bender around 9 20 a.m. authorities and sources
said.
Legal was either side swiped or clipped him.
I don't know, but it appears like it was a bus that was at fault.
Not sure on that though.
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Legal started arguing with the bus driver, then punched him and wrapped his hands around
his neck, causing jaw and neck injuries.
According to the NYPD and MTA.
Keep in mind, this is a fender bender.
A fender bender.
Legal was arrested at the scene and charged with second degree assault, strangulation
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and criminal obstruction of breathing.
Police said.
New York City Transit President Demetrius Critchlow said in a statement that the suspect jumped
over a barrier.
So if you've ever seen the inside of a New York MTA bus, they continue to improve these
things over the years, but it's almost like a little mini fortress in there.
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There's Plexiglas and again, we'll get to that in just a minute.
But that must be the barrier.
I'm guessing that they're referring to when they're inside there, they have a Plexiglas
plate or whatever is made of acrylic Plexiglas to protect them from people like this.
According to President New York City Transit President Demetrius Critchlow, the lunatic
who vaulted.
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The lunatic.
We used to use that word an awful lot more.
Now you hardly hear people say lunatic anymore.
It kind of dates you a little bit.
The lunatic who vaulted a barrier to viciously punch and strangle a bus operator just trying
to move New Yorkers around Brooklyn displayed utter disregard for humanity, decency and
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the safety of passengers on that bus.
Critchlow said, if you've never been on NYC bus drivers compartment, here we go.
They explain it has Plexiglas barrier almost like an armored car.
It's kind of like when you go into a convenience store in a bad neighborhood, they get that
thick Plexiglas bulletproof or not, whatever it's supposed to be.
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That's what surrounds these little, the little driver's compartment.
These buses because of violent assaults and, you know, people just lose their minds and
they take it out.
MTA in New York City, they have amazing coverage.
If you've never been, they have amazing coverage of the city, but their delays, their hobos
and derelicts and other people that slow things down, they don't have money.
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They want to sleep.
It can be a very frustrating process, especially if you're trying to get to work or get to
some place on MTA, Metro Transit Authority.
So I can understand, you know, they want to protect their drivers.
Like we talked about last week, New York City is getting to be more and more like that movie
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escape from New York.
If you've never seen this movie, it was made, I don't know, probably 78, 82 somewhere in
there.
I'm not exactly sure, maybe even earlier than that.
But New York City has become an island prison Manhattan, Manhattan.
You know, if you're from New York, there's a scene where they're driving down Broadway
to get to some location.
I forget what's going on.
Kurt Russell's driving this car.
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It's some beat up old jalopy type vehicle.
They got steel bars across the windshields and windows.
There's these freaks and derelicts on the street.
They got to go through a whole mob of them.
They're throwing Molotov cocktails and bricks and all this kind of stuff, glass bottles.
And I mean, it looks, it's just like out of some kind of post apocalyptic nightmare.
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And you know, they're going through bombed out buildings and neighborhoods and stuff.
That's what New York City is really like now.
It's unreal.
When you see these news clips, especially on like X where they don't just show you what
they want you to see, like on some other media stations, it's crazy.
I was in St. Louis not too long ago.
The good neighborhoods were still fine, but I had to drive through a particular neighborhood
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that was definitely on the rough side and it looked like something out of the Middle
East.
Some of these buildings look like they had been they had been shelled.
It was an I could not understand what's going on.
It was like a third world country.
I was shocked.
Some of these buildings literally they were just blown open or I don't know what happened.
How they got that way.
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But people on the side of the street, they were sitting there standing there.
It was in wintertime.
Very cold.
If you've never been to St. Louis in the winter, it gets very cold there.
Winter winds will cut you like a knife.
And so people were sitting there by, you know, barrel fires, the 55 gallon drums are burning
trash in a warm their hands.
They're walking through the holes and buildings and popping out the other side, sitting there
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gambling and throwing dice against what it was like something out of a Charles Bronson,
you know, death wish movie.
It is unreal what some of these cities have become in the United States.
As I was leaving, this, this is when we knew I had some of what we were there to, you know,
to meet somebody and talk about some stuff.
And this is when we knew it was time to leave.
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We saw this guy.
It was in the twenties, at least if not lower Fahrenheit.
Okay.
So well below freezing.
There was a guy in blue jeans and boots walking down the street, no shirt, no jacket, nothing
just waving an AK 47 around.
And I saw my rear view mirror and I'm like, there's no way that guy has an AK 47.
He did.
He started to fire shots. I knew it was time to leave, but this was, this was broad daylight.
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It was around noon because we were going to get lunch and the guys just firing off a machine
gun and the locals that I was talking to were with me told me the cops won't even show up
that that neighborhood was bad.
They won't even show up if you come.
So it's crazy.
Anyway, back to New York.
We are grateful to the NYPD officers who rushed to the scene to arrest this guy.
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Now it's up to the justice system to make sure he is locked up.
Now this incident happened in Bedford, Stuyvesant or Bed Stuy as they call it.
It's a shame this guy didn't keep going just a little bit further out into Queens because
if he had, he could have gone to a place.
I don't know if it's slope and somebody I talked to you recently told me it was a place
called Sybil's and Jim, there are a lot of Jamaicans or were, I don't know what it's
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like now.
A lot of Jamaicans out in that area in Queens.
And if you've never had a beef patty, it is a Jamaican treat.
They're delicious.
It's about the size of a large Danish or pastry.
And basically it's like a flaky pastry crust filled with like spice to me.
Usually the meat on the inside is ground beef.
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It's got just a little bit of spice to it.
The pastry, the flaky crust on the outside has like an orange tend or appearance to it
because they use turmeric with the seasoning in that dough and it's flaky and crispy and
it's filled with this hot spice, not real spicy like Mexican food, spicy, not real,
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a lot of kick, but just a little bit of spice to give it some flavor.
And usually it's ground beef.
I think I had a once with goat and that was good too, but I don't recall real strongly.
It must not have made much of an impression.
By far most of the beef patties I had though were, they were ground beef on the inside.
Delicious.
Then, and this place, Sibbles, again, I hope they're open.
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They were great.
There was a, you would take the last stop on the ATRAIN, which was Lefferts Boulevard
and you walk, I think it was, I think it was on a 10 blocks or so, 130 or 131st.
And this place Sibbles on the back in there and you would get beef patties.
And if you were really hungry, you would get beef patties with cocoa bread.
Cocoa bread is like this, this fluffy white bread that they would wrap the outside of
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the beef patty in and you would get one or two of those would fill just about anybody
up and then you would wash it down with what's called champagne cola.
Absolutely delicious.
I haven't had a good Jamaican beef patty in a long time.
I hope they're still going and very successful in doing well.
But a Jamaican beef patty and with cocoa bread and a champagne cola was, man, what a, what
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a great treat.
So anyway, that's the way it is.
We move on.
He didn't make it to the beef patties.
Okay, we are going to get ready for a break here.
When we get back, we're going to discuss again, one of the recurring themes, situational awareness.
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Let's say you're walking down the street.
You're walking your dog, you're whatever, taking a walk down the street.
All of a sudden you are attacked by a barking vicious dog, pit bull size dog.
And then shortly after you have to deal with an irate owner who may or may not be armed
or under the influence.
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What are you going to do?
Are you going to engage?
Are you going to run?
Are you going to alter the course of your future or the other persons?
We'll get into it after the break.
More make it out alive with Sam Wilson after this.
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This was an actual experience that happened to me.
So one day I was walking my dog, not too long ago.
I was walking my dog down the street, broad daylight in town, not in some far flung remote
area, although out here at 4,200 feet in the hills of Oregon, it is basically the wild,
wild west in some ways still.
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Walking my dog down the street and I saw this dog in the back of a truck and it just made
a mental note and kept walking.
And then all of a sudden, it was a big dog.
I don't know some kind of a mix.
I didn't get a really good look at him as far as assessing the breed.
I was more concerned about his behavior.
But I think he had some pit bull or something like that mixed in him.
He had, I know, this big, thick musculature on his shoulders and neck and he had that
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big, you know, squared off head.
Regardless, easily a capable of doing some damage to me and my dog.
So we were walking down the street.
He came charging out of the back of this pickup truck.
Immediately when he started snapping at me and my dog, I made sure we were safe.
And then he was tied onto this leash to the bed of the truck.
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It was much longer than I would have thought.
He was able to go at least a good 10 to 15 feet beyond, almost a car length basically,
beyond the tailgate of this truck.
And so we got close enough that he snapped at my dog's sweater and was able to make contact.
I pepper sprayed the dog that had the desired effect and he lost interest very quickly in
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assaulting us any further or doing anything else violent.
But before that, there had been awful lot of barking while we were getting all those
done that was still snow on the street.
We're stumbling around trying to figure out what's going on.
So as soon as that was over, I made the decision, all right, we're done with this thing.
Let's go ahead and, you know, get across the street and get as far away from this as possible.
Once I got my dog and me across the street, though, the owner of this dog came out and
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in a, I don't even understand it, some bizarre freak of logic and mental gymnastics.
The owner of the dog that just attacked my dog and me was mad at me for, I guess, his
dog barking or whatever.
I don't even really, I don't think, think he was aware that his dog had been pepper
sprayed yet.
He was just mad that somehow there had been this disturbance and I guess in his mind,
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it was my fault.
Now, in my opinion, we were about 20 to 25 feet apart in my estimation at this point
with this, this man, it looked to me like immediately he was on the influence of something.
His face was very red.
You know, in my opinion, typical of alcohol, I couldn't see his eyes.
So I couldn't make a judgment call on that.
But he was just very, very belligerent and loud for the circumstances.
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There was no need to be that over the top.
So it's my guess that he was on the influence of something.
Who knows?
What I do know is I had a decision, a choice to make right then there.
And this is what I would ask you, what would you do?
Are you going to engage with this person or are you going to, you know, create distance,
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break off and go away?
And here's the way I look at stuff like this.
What do you, what do you have to gain from a confrontation like that?
Someone who clearly does not take care of their animal properly and is now upset that,
you know, you have been involved, you, you are basically the victim in the situation
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and they want to pursue it as though you're the aggressor.
I can tell you what I did.
My first, my number one rule in almost any kind of situation like this, create distance.
Creating distance is very important.
That gives you time and space to assess the situation.
Creating distance means walk away, get further away, retreat, whatever you want to call it.
You put space and time between you and the threat.
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And that's important because that gives you a chance to assess situation, decide, you
know, what you're going to do.
It gives you more reaction time.
If the person continues to come after you, which they did, he pursued me for several
feet into the middle of the street.
There's cars.
This is so insane over a dog that was his fault.
He's walking into, into traffic and screaming obscenities, threatening my life using all
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kinds of nasty language.
And I'm just continually retreating because the question I ask myself is, what do you
stand to gain if you confront this individual?
I don't, I don't want to deal with the police.
I don't want to deal with whatever in the world this guy's problem is chemical or otherwise
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or not.
I'm just out walking my dog.
I've told, I've had a number of these type of stories because where I live, there are
a lot of stray dogs literally roaming in packs sometimes we're out in the middle of nowhere
and it's not uncommon to see stray dogs.
It literally impacts.
It's like something out of a movie and they'll come after you and attack you.
Sometimes I've had, they've tore up my dogs, his sweater and jacket.
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They've tore up his skin.
They tore up my pants with a number of these situations.
But whenever humans get involved, you got to ask yourself, what do you stand to gain
from this person who is acting in a clearly illogical irrational manner?
What do you gain even if you somehow have a confrontation and when what have you won?
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I can't think of a single thing.
And whenever I tell some of my friends or you know, people that I talk with about these
things, a lot of times I'll hear him say something like, well, they wouldn't do that again.
Or I've made sure that was the last time that happened.
And I'm thinking to myself, really, because the implications, you know, are very clear,
being either a shoot the dog, be shoot the person or whatever else, because firearms
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are mentioned in these conversations.
And I think to myself, do you really want to be that quick to use lethal force?
Whether or not it's legally warranted or it is legally justified is a completely separate
matter from is that really what you want to do with your life?
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Because the minute you do that, you have now you're starting a process.
Okay.
So there is going to be a legal process.
They're going to be legal ramifications, monetary or economic ramifications and, you know, potentially
social ramifications.
If you use a firearm or other types of deadly force on an animal or human, unless it's absolutely
necessary.
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Now, it can't tell someone what is and isn't absolutely necessary unless you're in a situation.
If you ever had to review a use of force type situation, an after action report or something
like that, you can't truly, you know, do a Monday morning quarterback thing because you
don't know until you're in the situation exactly what you would do.
Sometimes they're extenuating factors and mitigating circumstances that would affect
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what you wouldn't wouldn't do that don't show up on the surveillance footage or that
don't show up in a report.
You have to trust the person that is involved to a degree.
So anyway, we'll put that aside.
What do you really want to introduce lethal force unless you absolutely have to?
It's going to be a big mess.
So anyway, the point of what I'm getting at is aside from the situational awareness there,
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number one to me, I always think of create distance.
That's to me, that is the number one thing you can do aside from preparation to improve
your situation, get some space between you and whatever the threat is that gives you
more time to react, more time to assess what's going on.
And it takes them longer to get to you if that's what they're going to do.
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Now, aside from as we change pages here, aside from the lethal side of things, what I much,
much prefer is pepper spray.
Now you need to check in your municipality, your area, whatever about the legality of
pepper spray.
If you do a quick search, you'll find that pepper spray is legal in the United States
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all over and universally are pretty much recognized as legal and safe.
Either way, find out in your area if there are any changes that but pepper spray is a
great tool.
Number one, it's non lethal in almost every case.
So maybe there are some exceptions.
I don't know.
But in all of my experience with pepper spray and I've gone through my fair share, let's
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put it like that.
It's reversible.
Nobody's dead at the end of it, human or animal.
A lot of times a deterrent is better than a final solution.
So if we look at pepper spray as a solution, especially when it comes animals or just someone
other than a very highly motivated and prepared human individual, if you're not familiar with
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pepper spray, we're going to do a somewhat of a breakdown here and hopefully give you
hopefully some useful information.
In general, there are a couple of different types of pepper spray that you're going to
find, whether you look online, you go to a store, wherever.
For me, the biggest difference is you're going to see in civilian pepper spray is going
to be whether it's liquid, like the consistency of water or it's a gel based pepper spray.
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So let's go through some of these differences.
The liquid, with liquid, which has a water like consistency, you can have good reach
on a calm day.
It can be better for a fogging effect.
If you have multiple targets or a group or an area, excuse me that you want to target
in those areas, the liquid can be a very, very good idea.
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If you're using like a larger, the bear spray type cans, whether it's bear spray or not,
just the large aerosol cans, the liquid can be a good idea.
If you've got, let's say you've got a pack of dogs or multiple people or crowd control,
liquid can be good because it comes out almost like a fog and you can cover a swath of people
with a liquid, especially the larger cans.
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Where that kind of you, the trade off you make is distance and that's where you get into
gel.
The gel and when you search for pepper spray is usually they will clearly mark what type
they are and so forth.
The gel is going to have less blowback, meaning if there's a little bit of wind, it's not
just going to come.
If you spray a water or a liquid pepper spray and there's a lot of wind or even a reasonable
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mild wind, you're going to get aerosol, you know, that dust is going to move all over
the place with that spray.
And ricochet with gel, you'll have typically less ricochet because it's coming in a thicker
consistency.
When you start using pepper spray up close and personal, like you're three feet away
or less, man, you can spray somebody and it can literally, I've seen the gel especially
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do this.
I haven't used a lot of the liquid base because most of what I've done has been gel, but with
the gel, sometimes it'll ricochet and just bounce off somebody and get the guy next to
you.
And then you'll get the guy next to the target.
So you got to be careful that the gel also is a little less easy to wipe off in my experience.
It just kind of smears around the face, whereas the liquid can be wiped off a little easier.
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But the gel, you're going to, in my experience, you're going to have significantly better
range with the gel because it comes out in a tighter pattern and it's going to give you
more reach.
Sometimes that can be very, very important.
The other thing with pepper spray is you want to familiarize yourself beforehand.
If you're going to, if you buy one by two cans or two containers, whatever, and use
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one for practice, you need to go out there and target practice with it.
You need to see how it behaves in different wind conditions.
And frankly, it's not a bad idea to expose yourself to it in a reasonable amount to see
what the effects are.
Pepper spray affects people differently.
Some people, it goes right to them.
Other people are much less sensitive for whatever reason.
Same thing with animals.
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Over sprayed some dogs that immediately they are very displeased, especially if you get
them around the nose.
Obviously, they have a very sensitive nose.
They are in the wind.
They're done.
Others, it takes a minute or they're not quite as affected.
So you want to see how it affects you, especially when you breathe in some of the, you know,
the over spray of the fumes, the lungs, where it gets, it's not the worst experience in
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the world.
Don't be afraid of it.
It's mostly just unpleasant.
Unless you get a really good shot right to the eyes, nose, or mouth.
The mucous membranes, it's not the worst thing in the world.
But get a familiarization with it and see what it does to you.
Aim is going to be important.
It's not going to do a whole lot of good if you aim it at a torso of an animal or a human
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with pepper spray.
You want to get the mucous membranes, ears, nose, and throat.
Not no eyes.
Excuse me.
Eyes, nose, and throat.
The mucous membranes, eyes are number one.
The nose and the mouth area are going to be particularly susceptible to the pepper spray.
The other thing is, whenever you do this, you need to understand pepper spray.
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It takes usually, it takes a little bit of time to kick in.
This varies from person to person.
But in my experience, you need to plan on from about 10 to 30 seconds for the pepper
spray to really start acting as a deterrent to a human or animal.
It isn't usually instant.
Some dogs and some people respond or feel it right away.
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It's not at all unusual though for it to take a few seconds for it to really have an effect.
So plan for that.
You need to understand whenever you spray this stuff, it isn't like magic and it just
repels someone like the old bat spray, the shark spray in the Adam West campy Batman
series.
He's climbing up this helicopter over the ocean one time.
The shark attacks him and he pulls a can of shark repellent out and sprays the shark.
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And the shark just drops back to the ocean.
That's not the way it works.
Okay, it needs to be prepared.
There's going to be a little bit of a lag before it kicks in.
If you get pepper sprayed right in the eyes, a good rule of thumb is you're going to, if
it goes right into your open eyes, you're going to probably lose your vision and be
blind basically for about 15 to 30 minutes, give or take.
Okay.
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It's not the most painful thing.
It's not pleasant, but it's just like getting punched in the face.
Once you experience it, it's not nearly as bad as you think it is if you've never experienced
it before.
So anyway, just something to think about.
Then when you do use it, the number one thing in my mind that I would say is spray it, then
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create distance, backup, retreat safely, make sure you're aware of your surroundings, give
that spray time to kick in and start marinating, whether it's a human or an animal, whatever.
We're going to get into animal targets here momentarily, but give it time to kick in and
do its work and sort of marinate in the sauce before you take your next step.
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Then you decide what to do.
Typically, it's time to get out of there then.
Whether you contact the authorities or whatever, that's up to you based on your circumstances.
But once the spray is used and deployed successfully, create some distance and let it do its job.
In many cases, that's all you're going to have to do and then you get out of there and
go from there.
Okay.
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Now, if you recall, last week, my papers here are a stack of news.
We were discussing the oddity of kangaroo attacks, obviously primarily in Australia.
Excuse me for one more.
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Okay.
Need a cool, refreshing beverage.
We discussed those poor gentlemen who was, I think, 72 years old that was just literally
being beat down prison style by this large adult male kangaroo in Australia.
We now are going to revisit this.
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We asked the question last week, since we were going over pepper spray and other deterrents,
would pepper spray be effective against a kangaroo?
Now, frankly, without trying to hype up fake drama, I don't know why it wouldn't.
It wouldn't be off the top of my head.
That seems like pretty much any animal that can smell and has mucus membranes, be it human,
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four legged, two legged, marsupial, whatever.
I would imagine the pepper spray at the very least is going to be an irritant.
We have a story here.
This goes all the way back to 2011 here at the MOA broadcast.
We do our research thoroughly.
We go to Kenberra, Australia.
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Two Australian police officers used pepper spray to fight off a rogue kangaroo that
had attacked an elderly woman in her backyard in an outback town.
An official said Tuesday, kangaroos rarely attack humans.
I'm going to be honest, the more of these that I find, and we're going to continue to
feature these on the MOA broadcast because these are interesting and frankly, sometimes
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they're humorous.
These kangaroos have a real bad attitude.
I mean, frankly, I'm just going to be honest.
I think I would kind of like to have a beer with them and get into one of these kangaroo
fights and then go hang out.
They got they got an attitude problem, but I kind of like it.
That is going to be a memorable night when you go out and get into a kangaroo fight
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and then share a few beers with a roux and just hash it out over a fireplace.
Anyway, senior Sergeant Stephen Perkins, head of police in the Queensland State town of
Charlville, if I'm pronouncing these correctly, said he had never before heard of police using
pepper spray against a kangaroo, but that tactic worked.
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It did subdue the animal and drew its attention away for the officers.
So it worked Perkins told the Associated Press probably before they were referring to the
Gulf of America.
The 94 year old victim Phyllis Johnson was taken to a hospital for treatment for cuts
and bruises after the attack Sunday afternoon.
She told the courier mail newspaper that she tried unsuccessfully at 94 years old.
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I'm not surprised.
No shame, madam, to fight the kangaroo off with a broom after it attacked her while
she was hanging her laundry.
I thought it was going to kill me.
She told the newspaper from her bed in the hospital on Monday.
He was taller than me and it just plowed through the clothes on the washing line straight
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for me.
She said the kangaroo knocked her to the ground before she crawled to her house where
her son called police.
The animal jumped away, saw another officer at the back of the police car and went for
that officer.
He also deployed his spray.
So the roue had to get sprayed twice.
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And that had hopped away from the scene and police monitored its location.
Wildlife Rangers trapped the kangaroo perk and said it was described as a male red kangaroo,
the world's largest marsupial.
Red kangaroos named for their ginger fur.
A ginger.
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So we know it has no soul can stand as tall as a man and usually weigh around 200 pounds.
Now if you've seen images online of the or in person of these kangaroos, they have a
very thick and muscular build in their chest and forearm areas.
And I'm telling you, man, they have an attitude problem.
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They walk around and they like they flex their arms and they flex their chest and they just
like stare people down.
I've seen multiple videos of they are not intimidated in the least by human beings.
They have they got a real bad attitude.
I mean, I kind of like it.
They respect it.
They know what they're about and they go get it.
But I don't think I would want to fight one of these things.
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I mean, I don't let me rephrase that.
I would actually kind of like to a little bit.
I don't think I would win, but I'm willing to take that chance because that would be
a great memory to tell over some some whiskies later on down the road after I recover from
my hospital stay.
These kangaroos are no joke.
Okay.
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So now we know pepper spray is effective against kangaroos.
Again, the thing this poor lady was just putting out her laundry to dry.
Situational awareness is so important.
While I was preparing this broadcast, I was listening to the police scanner and there was
some poor guy in town that was shot in the chest.
I don't know if he's going to survive or not.
Haven't heard the update on that, but you know, you never know what is going to happen
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out there, whether it's going to be a firearms attack, a kangaroo attack, or in the case of
our next story, we're going to wrap it up with a naked hiker rescued after getting stranded
in suburban Los Angeles.
You got to ask yourself, why?
Why are you naked in suburban Los Angeles?
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Let's go to the story.
A hiker who got lost in Hills in suburban Los Angeles was pictured getting rescued while
completely in the nude.
Hikers raised the alarm about around 8.45 p.m. Monday after hearing someone crying for
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help in Chatsworth.
The Los Angeles fire department said, now, you got to ask yourself, what is going on
where you're walking around in a suburban, I don't know, some type of suburban park or
forest in these Hills buck naked and you start crying for help.
What has been going on in your life that leads you to that point where you're walking around
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naked, you realize after 4 hours out in the bush that you've made a serious mistake and
you start crying for help.
The stranded man was found by Chopper around 45 minutes later with photos obtained by CBS
Los Angeles showing him waving for help while completely in the buff.
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Now for those of you who aren't familiar with the expression in the buff, that means buck
naked.
This guy was walking around some suburban Los Angeles park buck naked.
The photos which digitally obscured anything intimate, thank goodness, showed him standing
with his hands raised high while under a spotlight.
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The unidentified man is thought to have been missing in the remote location since around
4pm CBS Los Angeles said without saying if it was known why he was naked.
People heard the stranded hikers cries for help and called the Los Angeles fire department
on Monday.
I am looking at the pictures right now online of this guy being hoisted up into a helicopter.
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It's blurred out, thank goodness, but it's some buck naked guy being wheeled or hoisted.
He's being hoisted up into a helicopter with a spotlight on him while he's sitting on
that all part is blurred out.
But can you imagine what's going on?
You have to be hoisted up in buck naked fashion.
Oh my goodness.
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He was hoisted from the helicopter by a rescuer and flown to a landing area assessed by paramedics
before being transported to a hospital.
The fire department said the hiker suffered minor injuries, but again it was not immediately
known what happened to him.
Temperatures in the area range between 40 and 50 degrees on Monday according to information
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from AccuWeather.com.
Now I wonder why they felt the need to include the fact that temperatures were cool that
day in a story about a naked man.
I guess they just ran short on things to say about the poor fellow.
Okay, that's going to do it folks.
This week are you prepared for a bear attack?
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What about without a firearm?
We find out how to make it out alive with just a knife next time.
Okay, that's it.
Remember don't wait until you have an emergency to prepare for it.
If you do, it may be too late.
If you don't make it out alive, you don't make it out at all.
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Be safe out there folks.
Come in to you from 4,200 feet in the hill.
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It's the voice of Chaytown, the reddest beard in the high desert.
Your host of the Make It Out Alive broadcast, Sam Wilson.
Alright folks, how are you doing today?
We are back with another episode of the MOA broadcast.
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Let's get right into it.
Now we go back for some news.
If you've seen the last two episodes, let's jump to one thing first.
As mentioned before, here at the MOA broadcast, we remain apolitical.
We're not going to get into our politics, your politics, or anyone else's.
We just do what the news used to do years ago, which is give you the information and
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then you can make your own decision and draw your own conclusion.
That being said, sometimes the topics we touch on and discuss are political in nature.
Again in those cases, we just give you the facts.
So in the last two episodes, we've been covering this ongoing saga with the AP, the Associated
Press.
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We don't need to explain it again.
It's been covered multiple times.
If you haven't caught the last episodes three and four, I believe we discuss it fairly in
depth there.
President Donald Trump changed the name legally.
He has the authority to do so from the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America.
Whether you like it or not, that's the way it is.
So we move on, right?
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For some reason or another, the AP, the Associated Press, they refuse to acknowledge this or
to refer to it by the name of the Gulf of America.
They're sticking with Gulf of Mexico.
So as we covered in last week's episode, they were barred from entering the Oval Office
and Air Force One to cover press events.
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They had to wait outside.
They're still unable to access the White House.
They haven't had their press credentials revoked, but they are unable to get access to those
most intimate areas with the president.
So we have an update this week.
Excuse me.
A federal judge on Monday refused to immediately order the White House to restore the Associated
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Press access to presidential events, saying the news organization had not demonstrated
it had suffered any irreparable harm.
So basically they had sued the White House or Trump.
I don't know exactly who it, I think it gets into it later on in the article.
It doesn't really matter.
But they wanted to get a restraining order to block the White House from preventing them
from having access in those areas.
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U.S. District Judge Trevor McFadden said the AP had not proven harm requiring an immediate
restraining order.
But he cautioned the White House that the law wasn't on its side in barring AP over continuing
to refer to the Gulf of Mexico.
Not simply the Gulf of America has Trump decreed in an executive order.
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Now he did this with an executive order along with the Department of the Interior.
It was a legal name change.
Again, some people are going to like it, some are not.
I don't really think many of us spend that much time talking about the Gulf of America
or the Gulf of Mexico.
But for whatever reason, the AP has decided to get locked into this battle of wills with
the White House or Trump or whoever they are doing this with.
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It seems pretty clearly viewpoint discrimination, McFadden told Brian Hudeck, if I'm pronouncing
that correctly, a government attorney.
With no ruling made, the White House is free to continue barring the AP from the Oval Office
and beyond.
There is a case it is promised to or is scheduled to be heard later in March when there will
be another hearing.
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The White House lawyer Hudeck said that just because an AP reporter and photographer had
long held a place in the White House press pool, didn't mean the agency was entitled
to it in perpetuity.
That's not just special access, that's extra special access, Hudeck said, noting that AP
journalists continue to access the White House and publish news from events even when
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its journalists are not present in the room where they happen.
The president can choose who to speak with, he says.
There is a hearing set for March 20 where additional arguments will be made.
So I guess we will see what happens and update you in this ongoing battle of wills between
the AP and the White House.
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Just seems like an odd thing to dig your heels.
I mean, why not just call it the when you're in America where they operate, call it what
it's legally been changed to here.
As we discussed in past episodes, the mapping programs, Google Maps, Apple Maps, they have
changed their name to Gulf of America.
I just don't see what they really gain out of this long term.
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I guess they have a big victory then that will give them some street cred or whatever,
but maybe bargaining power in future cases.
I don't know, but it just seems like an odd thing.
I can't remember the last time I've had a conversation about the Gulf.
All right, we move on now to Memphis, Tennessee.
This is why situational awareness is so important.
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Okay, police are searching for a man who was seen on video attacking a car with an ax
following a collision in Memphis, Tennessee.
Another motorist captured video showing an unidentified man wielding an ax and striking
another vehicle on Saturday, February 22, according to police.
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In the video, the suspect can be seen striking the side of the vehicle multiple times before
stepping away.
They take the jacket off, throw it on the ground, stare at the victim, and then they
pick their jacket back up and walk away.
So what happened?
Apparently, the suspect, the ax-wielding man, was rear-ended by another vehicle being driven
by a man and his girlfriend.
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After the collision, the unidentified man whose car was hit exited his vehicle and began
yelling at passengers before retrieving an ax.
Why in the world would you have an ax in your car?
And yes, he has a car.
We'll get to that in a moment.
I'm from the country.
I use an ax all the time.
I can see it possibly being there in Memphis, Tennessee.
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I don't know.
Regardless, not illegal.
I don't think anyway.
But why would you go and get an ax over a rear-end collision?
I mean, it's now a problem for insurance to handle.
Who knows who had what who didn't have insurance?
We don't know.
All we know is that he began to take an ax and chop at the car.
I saw the video on the news website I went to.
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I wasn't able to find it.
But I saw the footage on X or Twitter.
If you do not have that program, I recommend it personally if you are able to deal with
seeing the raw truth out there.
It's called X.
Used to be called Twitter.
The reason I like it is you can get the raw, unfiltered footage.
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Like we talked about earlier.
I don't want some newscaster to tell me what I should think or what I should believe based
on the news.
Obviously, I would like to see the raw numbers, the raw footage, or hear the raw data.
I'll make a decision myself on what I believe about that.
And if you watch news on TV versus getting raw footage and things from X or other places,
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it's shocking the amount of stuff that is just not covered.
And many times you'll see footage in a news report.
Then you watch the whole thing on X.
It has been dramatically edited, obviously, with a purpose.
And we're not going to get into that again.
We say political, but clearly some of this footage is sometimes twisted.
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I don't like to have, I would rather have the raw data.
I'm an adult.
I can make the decision myself.
I'll interpret it the way I see fit.
And sometimes I'm going to be wrong.
Sometimes I'll be right.
But what I don't want is someone I've never met who may or may not have a political agenda
to decide what I should hear and what I should see and what news is important to me.
So anyway, that's that in the video, you see the guy walk up and strike the vehicle at
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least two or three times.
He busts out the front and back windshield.
And I think he takes a few chops with the car along the way.
To me, let's see, after van lights and the victim's car, the suspect got back into his
car and drove away.
No injuries were reported according to police.
The part that stuck out to me was the people in the car that was literally being chopped
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up with an axe.
They just sat there.
Like they could have, they could have, and I don't know what exactly went on.
You know, it's hard to Monday morning quarterback things when it comes to use as a force or
violent situations.
You never know what's going on in someone's head.
There may be other factors.
The video doesn't show.
Who knows.
But the video was taken by somebody in the car behind the accident.
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There's very clear video of it.
And they just sit there.
There's there's no traffic or no substantial traffic in front of them.
They could have driven away.
They don't know why they chose to stay there while this guy attacked their car with an
axe.
The first thing I would have done, hopefully the way what I think I would have done is,
you know, we talk called create distance, get out of there.
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The guy has an axe.
Clearly he is not acting in soundness of mind and in a legal manner.
Who knows what he's going to do next.
But that was the part that stuck with me.
They just, they just sat there while this guy was chopping their car up.
So, you know, again, who knows what was going on in their mind and what they had.
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Maybe they had a plan.
I don't know.
But they just sat there.
The suspects vehicle was described as a 2012 Chevy Impala.
Not going to lie.
I'm not quite sure that's the car.
I'd be willing to go to war over a 2012.
What is that?
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13 years old Chevy Impala.
I mean, I think I would probably just let insurance deal with it.
But who knows his decision.
All right, we go to New York City.
Another one was situational awareness dealing with road rage.
If you look up road rage, this is probably, I haven't ranked these things, but man, there
are so many road rage incidents in the United States alone on a daily basis that it is.
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It's crazy.
You can take your pick from stories to go through about road rage.
This one takes us to New York City.
Let me grab a drink here.
Okay.
I rate motorist Chokes MTA bus driver in New York City road rage attack after fender bender,
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according to officials.
And I rate driver slugged and choked in elderly MTA bus driver in a road rage attack in Brooklyn,
according to police and transit officials.
Chavon Legal 25 of unpronouncing that right.
I don't know.
Lunge at the 68 year old B 26 driver on Halsey Street near Lewis Avenue in Bedford's
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Diverson.
If you've been to New York, Bedford's Diverson explains a lot.
We'll get to that later.
After the two vehicles collided in a fender bender around 9 20 a.m. authorities and sources
said.
Legal was either side swiped or clipped him.
I don't know, but it appears like it was a bus that was at fault.
Not sure on that though.
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Legal started arguing with the bus driver, then punched him and wrapped his hands around
his neck, causing jaw and neck injuries.
According to the NYPD and MTA.
Keep in mind, this is a fender bender.
A fender bender.
Legal was arrested at the scene and charged with second degree assault, strangulation
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and criminal obstruction of breathing.
Police said.
New York City Transit President Demetrius Critchlow said in a statement that the suspect jumped
over a barrier.
So if you've ever seen the inside of a New York MTA bus, they continue to improve these
things over the years, but it's almost like a little mini fortress in there.
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There's Plexiglas and again, we'll get to that in just a minute.
But that must be the barrier.
I'm guessing that they're referring to when they're inside there, they have a Plexiglas
plate or whatever is made of acrylic Plexiglas to protect them from people like this.
According to President New York City Transit President Demetrius Critchlow, the lunatic
who vaulted.
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The lunatic.
We used to use that word an awful lot more.
Now you hardly hear people say lunatic anymore.
It kind of dates you a little bit.
The lunatic who vaulted a barrier to viciously punch and strangle a bus operator just trying
to move New Yorkers around Brooklyn displayed utter disregard for humanity, decency and
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the safety of passengers on that bus.
Critchlow said, if you've never been on NYC bus drivers compartment, here we go.
They explain it has Plexiglas barrier almost like an armored car.
It's kind of like when you go into a convenience store in a bad neighborhood, they get that
thick Plexiglas bulletproof or not, whatever it's supposed to be.
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That's what surrounds these little, the little driver's compartment.
These buses because of violent assaults and, you know, people just lose their minds and
they take it out.
MTA in New York City, they have amazing coverage.
If you've never been, they have amazing coverage of the city, but their delays, their hobos
and derelicts and other people that slow things down, they don't have money.
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They want to sleep.
It can be a very frustrating process, especially if you're trying to get to work or get to
some place on MTA, Metro Transit Authority.
So I can understand, you know, they want to protect their drivers.
Like we talked about last week, New York City is getting to be more and more like that movie
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escape from New York.
If you've never seen this movie, it was made, I don't know, probably 78, 82 somewhere in
there.
I'm not exactly sure, maybe even earlier than that.
But New York City has become an island prison Manhattan, Manhattan.
You know, if you're from New York, there's a scene where they're driving down Broadway
to get to some location.
I forget what's going on.
Kurt Russell's driving this car.
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It's some beat up old jalopy type vehicle.
They got steel bars across the windshields and windows.
There's these freaks and derelicts on the street.
They got to go through a whole mob of them.
They're throwing Molotov cocktails and bricks and all this kind of stuff, glass bottles.
And I mean, it looks, it's just like out of some kind of post apocalyptic nightmare.
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And you know, they're going through bombed out buildings and neighborhoods and stuff.
That's what New York City is really like now.
It's unreal.
When you see these news clips, especially on like X where they don't just show you what
they want you to see, like on some other media stations, it's crazy.
I was in St. Louis not too long ago.
The good neighborhoods were still fine, but I had to drive through a particular neighborhood
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that was definitely on the rough side and it looked like something out of the Middle
East.
Some of these buildings look like they had been they had been shelled.
It was an I could not understand what's going on.
It was like a third world country.
I was shocked.
Some of these buildings literally they were just blown open or I don't know what happened.
How they got that way.
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But people on the side of the street, they were sitting there standing there.
It was in wintertime.
Very cold.
If you've never been to St. Louis in the winter, it gets very cold there.
Winter winds will cut you like a knife.
And so people were sitting there by, you know, barrel fires, the 55 gallon drums are burning
trash in a warm their hands.
They're walking through the holes and buildings and popping out the other side, sitting there
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gambling and throwing dice against what it was like something out of a Charles Bronson,
you know, death wish movie.
It is unreal what some of these cities have become in the United States.
As I was leaving, this, this is when we knew I had some of what we were there to, you know,
to meet somebody and talk about some stuff.
And this is when we knew it was time to leave.
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We saw this guy.
It was in the twenties, at least if not lower Fahrenheit.
Okay.
So well below freezing.
There was a guy in blue jeans and boots walking down the street, no shirt, no jacket, nothing
just waving an AK 47 around.
And I saw my rear view mirror and I'm like, there's no way that guy has an AK 47.
He did.
He started to fire shots. I knew it was time to leave, but this was, this was broad daylight.
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It was around noon because we were going to get lunch and the guys just firing off a machine
gun and the locals that I was talking to were with me told me the cops won't even show up
that that neighborhood was bad.
They won't even show up if you come.
So it's crazy.
Anyway, back to New York.
We are grateful to the NYPD officers who rushed to the scene to arrest this guy.
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Now it's up to the justice system to make sure he is locked up.
Now this incident happened in Bedford, Stuyvesant or Bed Stuy as they call it.
It's a shame this guy didn't keep going just a little bit further out into Queens because
if he had, he could have gone to a place.
I don't know if it's slope and somebody I talked to you recently told me it was a place
called Sybil's and Jim, there are a lot of Jamaicans or were, I don't know what it's
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like now.
A lot of Jamaicans out in that area in Queens.
And if you've never had a beef patty, it is a Jamaican treat.
They're delicious.
It's about the size of a large Danish or pastry.
And basically it's like a flaky pastry crust filled with like spice to me.
Usually the meat on the inside is ground beef.
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It's got just a little bit of spice to it.
The pastry, the flaky crust on the outside has like an orange tend or appearance to it
because they use turmeric with the seasoning in that dough and it's flaky and crispy and
it's filled with this hot spice, not real spicy like Mexican food, spicy, not real,
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a lot of kick, but just a little bit of spice to give it some flavor.
And usually it's ground beef.
I think I had a once with goat and that was good too, but I don't recall real strongly.
It must not have made much of an impression.
By far most of the beef patties I had though were, they were ground beef on the inside.
Delicious.
Then, and this place, Sibbles, again, I hope they're open.
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They were great.
There was a, you would take the last stop on the ATRAIN, which was Lefferts Boulevard
and you walk, I think it was, I think it was on a 10 blocks or so, 130 or 131st.
And this place Sibbles on the back in there and you would get beef patties.
And if you were really hungry, you would get beef patties with cocoa bread.
Cocoa bread is like this, this fluffy white bread that they would wrap the outside of
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the beef patty in and you would get one or two of those would fill just about anybody
up and then you would wash it down with what's called champagne cola.
Absolutely delicious.
I haven't had a good Jamaican beef patty in a long time.
I hope they're still going and very successful in doing well.
But a Jamaican beef patty and with cocoa bread and a champagne cola was, man, what a, what
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a great treat.
So anyway, that's the way it is.
We move on.
He didn't make it to the beef patties.
Okay, we are going to get ready for a break here.
When we get back, we're going to discuss again, one of the recurring themes, situational awareness.
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Let's say you're walking down the street.
You're walking your dog, you're whatever, taking a walk down the street.
All of a sudden you are attacked by a barking vicious dog, pit bull size dog.
And then shortly after you have to deal with an irate owner who may or may not be armed
or under the influence.
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What are you going to do?
Are you going to engage?
Are you going to run?
Are you going to alter the course of your future or the other persons?
We'll get into it after the break.
More make it out alive with Sam Wilson after this.
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This was an actual experience that happened to me.
So one day I was walking my dog, not too long ago.
I was walking my dog down the street, broad daylight in town, not in some far flung remote
area, although out here at 4,200 feet in the hills of Oregon, it is basically the wild,
wild west in some ways still.
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Walking my dog down the street and I saw this dog in the back of a truck and it just made
a mental note and kept walking.
And then all of a sudden, it was a big dog.
I don't know some kind of a mix.
I didn't get a really good look at him as far as assessing the breed.
I was more concerned about his behavior.
But I think he had some pit bull or something like that mixed in him.
He had, I know, this big, thick musculature on his shoulders and neck and he had that
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big, you know, squared off head.
Regardless, easily a capable of doing some damage to me and my dog.
So we were walking down the street.
He came charging out of the back of this pickup truck.
Immediately when he started snapping at me and my dog, I made sure we were safe.
And then he was tied onto this leash to the bed of the truck.
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It was much longer than I would have thought.
He was able to go at least a good 10 to 15 feet beyond, almost a car length basically,
beyond the tailgate of this truck.
And so we got close enough that he snapped at my dog's sweater and was able to make contact.
I pepper sprayed the dog that had the desired effect and he lost interest very quickly in
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assaulting us any further or doing anything else violent.
But before that, there had been awful lot of barking while we were getting all those
done that was still snow on the street.
We're stumbling around trying to figure out what's going on.
So as soon as that was over, I made the decision, all right, we're done with this thing.
Let's go ahead and, you know, get across the street and get as far away from this as possible.
Once I got my dog and me across the street, though, the owner of this dog came out and
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in a, I don't even understand it, some bizarre freak of logic and mental gymnastics.
The owner of the dog that just attacked my dog and me was mad at me for, I guess, his
dog barking or whatever.
I don't even really, I don't think, think he was aware that his dog had been pepper
sprayed yet.
He was just mad that somehow there had been this disturbance and I guess in his mind,
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it was my fault.
Now, in my opinion, we were about 20 to 25 feet apart in my estimation at this point
with this, this man, it looked to me like immediately he was on the influence of something.
His face was very red.
You know, in my opinion, typical of alcohol, I couldn't see his eyes.
So I couldn't make a judgment call on that.
But he was just very, very belligerent and loud for the circumstances.
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There was no need to be that over the top.
So it's my guess that he was on the influence of something.
Who knows?
What I do know is I had a decision, a choice to make right then there.
And this is what I would ask you, what would you do?
Are you going to engage with this person or are you going to, you know, create distance,
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break off and go away?
And here's the way I look at stuff like this.
What do you, what do you have to gain from a confrontation like that?
Someone who clearly does not take care of their animal properly and is now upset that,
you know, you have been involved, you, you are basically the victim in the situation
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and they want to pursue it as though you're the aggressor.
I can tell you what I did.
My first, my number one rule in almost any kind of situation like this, create distance.
Creating distance is very important.
That gives you time and space to assess the situation.
Creating distance means walk away, get further away, retreat, whatever you want to call it.
You put space and time between you and the threat.
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And that's important because that gives you a chance to assess situation, decide, you
know, what you're going to do.
It gives you more reaction time.
If the person continues to come after you, which they did, he pursued me for several
feet into the middle of the street.
There's cars.
This is so insane over a dog that was his fault.
He's walking into, into traffic and screaming obscenities, threatening my life using all
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kinds of nasty language.
And I'm just continually retreating because the question I ask myself is, what do you
stand to gain if you confront this individual?
I don't, I don't want to deal with the police.
I don't want to deal with whatever in the world this guy's problem is chemical or otherwise
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or not.
I'm just out walking my dog.
I've told, I've had a number of these type of stories because where I live, there are
a lot of stray dogs literally roaming in packs sometimes we're out in the middle of nowhere
and it's not uncommon to see stray dogs.
It literally impacts.
It's like something out of a movie and they'll come after you and attack you.
Sometimes I've had, they've tore up my dogs, his sweater and jacket.
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They've tore up his skin.
They tore up my pants with a number of these situations.
But whenever humans get involved, you got to ask yourself, what do you stand to gain
from this person who is acting in a clearly illogical irrational manner?
What do you gain even if you somehow have a confrontation and when what have you won?
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I can't think of a single thing.
And whenever I tell some of my friends or you know, people that I talk with about these
things, a lot of times I'll hear him say something like, well, they wouldn't do that again.
Or I've made sure that was the last time that happened.
And I'm thinking to myself, really, because the implications, you know, are very clear,
being either a shoot the dog, be shoot the person or whatever else, because firearms
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are mentioned in these conversations.
And I think to myself, do you really want to be that quick to use lethal force?
Whether or not it's legally warranted or it is legally justified is a completely separate
matter from is that really what you want to do with your life?
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Because the minute you do that, you have now you're starting a process.
Okay.
So there is going to be a legal process.
They're going to be legal ramifications, monetary or economic ramifications and, you know, potentially
social ramifications.
If you use a firearm or other types of deadly force on an animal or human, unless it's absolutely
necessary.
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Now, it can't tell someone what is and isn't absolutely necessary unless you're in a situation.
If you ever had to review a use of force type situation, an after action report or something
like that, you can't truly, you know, do a Monday morning quarterback thing because you
don't know until you're in the situation exactly what you would do.
Sometimes they're extenuating factors and mitigating circumstances that would affect
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what you wouldn't wouldn't do that don't show up on the surveillance footage or that
don't show up in a report.
You have to trust the person that is involved to a degree.
So anyway, we'll put that aside.
What do you really want to introduce lethal force unless you absolutely have to?
It's going to be a big mess.
So anyway, the point of what I'm getting at is aside from the situational awareness there,
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number one to me, I always think of create distance.
That's to me, that is the number one thing you can do aside from preparation to improve
your situation, get some space between you and whatever the threat is that gives you
more time to react, more time to assess what's going on.
And it takes them longer to get to you if that's what they're going to do.
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Now, aside from as we change pages here, aside from the lethal side of things, what I much,
much prefer is pepper spray.
Now you need to check in your municipality, your area, whatever about the legality of
pepper spray.
If you do a quick search, you'll find that pepper spray is legal in the United States
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all over and universally are pretty much recognized as legal and safe.
Either way, find out in your area if there are any changes that but pepper spray is a
great tool.
Number one, it's non lethal in almost every case.
So maybe there are some exceptions.
I don't know.
But in all of my experience with pepper spray and I've gone through my fair share, let's
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put it like that.
It's reversible.
Nobody's dead at the end of it, human or animal.
A lot of times a deterrent is better than a final solution.
So if we look at pepper spray as a solution, especially when it comes animals or just someone
other than a very highly motivated and prepared human individual, if you're not familiar with
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pepper spray, we're going to do a somewhat of a breakdown here and hopefully give you
hopefully some useful information.
In general, there are a couple of different types of pepper spray that you're going to
find, whether you look online, you go to a store, wherever.
For me, the biggest difference is you're going to see in civilian pepper spray is going
to be whether it's liquid, like the consistency of water or it's a gel based pepper spray.
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So let's go through some of these differences.
The liquid, with liquid, which has a water like consistency, you can have good reach
on a calm day.
It can be better for a fogging effect.
If you have multiple targets or a group or an area, excuse me that you want to target
in those areas, the liquid can be a very, very good idea.
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If you're using like a larger, the bear spray type cans, whether it's bear spray or not,
just the large aerosol cans, the liquid can be a good idea.
If you've got, let's say you've got a pack of dogs or multiple people or crowd control,
liquid can be good because it comes out almost like a fog and you can cover a swath of people
with a liquid, especially the larger cans.
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Where that kind of you, the trade off you make is distance and that's where you get into
gel.
The gel and when you search for pepper spray is usually they will clearly mark what type
they are and so forth.
The gel is going to have less blowback, meaning if there's a little bit of wind, it's not
just going to come.
If you spray a water or a liquid pepper spray and there's a lot of wind or even a reasonable
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mild wind, you're going to get aerosol, you know, that dust is going to move all over
the place with that spray.
And ricochet with gel, you'll have typically less ricochet because it's coming in a thicker
consistency.
When you start using pepper spray up close and personal, like you're three feet away
or less, man, you can spray somebody and it can literally, I've seen the gel especially
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do this.
I haven't used a lot of the liquid base because most of what I've done has been gel, but with
the gel, sometimes it'll ricochet and just bounce off somebody and get the guy next to
you.
And then you'll get the guy next to the target.
So you got to be careful that the gel also is a little less easy to wipe off in my experience.
It just kind of smears around the face, whereas the liquid can be wiped off a little easier.
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But the gel, you're going to, in my experience, you're going to have significantly better
range with the gel because it comes out in a tighter pattern and it's going to give you
more reach.
Sometimes that can be very, very important.
The other thing with pepper spray is you want to familiarize yourself beforehand.
If you're going to, if you buy one by two cans or two containers, whatever, and use
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one for practice, you need to go out there and target practice with it.
You need to see how it behaves in different wind conditions.
And frankly, it's not a bad idea to expose yourself to it in a reasonable amount to see
what the effects are.
Pepper spray affects people differently.
Some people, it goes right to them.
Other people are much less sensitive for whatever reason.
Same thing with animals.
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Over sprayed some dogs that immediately they are very displeased, especially if you get
them around the nose.
Obviously, they have a very sensitive nose.
They are in the wind.
They're done.
Others, it takes a minute or they're not quite as affected.
So you want to see how it affects you, especially when you breathe in some of the, you know,
the over spray of the fumes, the lungs, where it gets, it's not the worst experience in
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the world.
Don't be afraid of it.
It's mostly just unpleasant.
Unless you get a really good shot right to the eyes, nose, or mouth.
The mucous membranes, it's not the worst thing in the world.
But get a familiarization with it and see what it does to you.
Aim is going to be important.
It's not going to do a whole lot of good if you aim it at a torso of an animal or a human
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with pepper spray.
You want to get the mucous membranes, ears, nose, and throat.
Not no eyes.
Excuse me.
Eyes, nose, and throat.
The mucous membranes, eyes are number one.
The nose and the mouth area are going to be particularly susceptible to the pepper spray.
The other thing is, whenever you do this, you need to understand pepper spray.
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It takes usually, it takes a little bit of time to kick in.
This varies from person to person.
But in my experience, you need to plan on from about 10 to 30 seconds for the pepper
spray to really start acting as a deterrent to a human or animal.
It isn't usually instant.
Some dogs and some people respond or feel it right away.
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It's not at all unusual though for it to take a few seconds for it to really have an effect.
So plan for that.
You need to understand whenever you spray this stuff, it isn't like magic and it just
repels someone like the old bat spray, the shark spray in the Adam West campy Batman
series.
He's climbing up this helicopter over the ocean one time.
The shark attacks him and he pulls a can of shark repellent out and sprays the shark.
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And the shark just drops back to the ocean.
That's not the way it works.
Okay, it needs to be prepared.
There's going to be a little bit of a lag before it kicks in.
If you get pepper sprayed right in the eyes, a good rule of thumb is you're going to, if
it goes right into your open eyes, you're going to probably lose your vision and be
blind basically for about 15 to 30 minutes, give or take.
Okay.
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It's not the most painful thing.
It's not pleasant, but it's just like getting punched in the face.
Once you experience it, it's not nearly as bad as you think it is if you've never experienced
it before.
So anyway, just something to think about.
Then when you do use it, the number one thing in my mind that I would say is spray it, then
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create distance, backup, retreat safely, make sure you're aware of your surroundings, give
that spray time to kick in and start marinating, whether it's a human or an animal, whatever.
We're going to get into animal targets here momentarily, but give it time to kick in and
do its work and sort of marinate in the sauce before you take your next step.
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Then you decide what to do.
Typically, it's time to get out of there then.
Whether you contact the authorities or whatever, that's up to you based on your circumstances.
But once the spray is used and deployed successfully, create some distance and let it do its job.
In many cases, that's all you're going to have to do and then you get out of there and
go from there.
Okay.
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Now, if you recall, last week, my papers here are a stack of news.
We were discussing the oddity of kangaroo attacks, obviously primarily in Australia.
Excuse me for one more.
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Okay.
Need a cool, refreshing beverage.
We discussed those poor gentlemen who was, I think, 72 years old that was just literally
being beat down prison style by this large adult male kangaroo in Australia.
We now are going to revisit this.
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We asked the question last week, since we were going over pepper spray and other deterrents,
would pepper spray be effective against a kangaroo?
Now, frankly, without trying to hype up fake drama, I don't know why it wouldn't.
It wouldn't be off the top of my head.
That seems like pretty much any animal that can smell and has mucus membranes, be it human,
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four legged, two legged, marsupial, whatever.
I would imagine the pepper spray at the very least is going to be an irritant.
We have a story here.
This goes all the way back to 2011 here at the MOA broadcast.
We do our research thoroughly.
We go to Kenberra, Australia.
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Two Australian police officers used pepper spray to fight off a rogue kangaroo that
had attacked an elderly woman in her backyard in an outback town.
An official said Tuesday, kangaroos rarely attack humans.
I'm going to be honest, the more of these that I find, and we're going to continue to
feature these on the MOA broadcast because these are interesting and frankly, sometimes
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they're humorous.
These kangaroos have a real bad attitude.
I mean, frankly, I'm just going to be honest.
I think I would kind of like to have a beer with them and get into one of these kangaroo
fights and then go hang out.
They got they got an attitude problem, but I kind of like it.
That is going to be a memorable night when you go out and get into a kangaroo fight
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and then share a few beers with a roux and just hash it out over a fireplace.
Anyway, senior Sergeant Stephen Perkins, head of police in the Queensland State town of
Charlville, if I'm pronouncing these correctly, said he had never before heard of police using
pepper spray against a kangaroo, but that tactic worked.
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It did subdue the animal and drew its attention away for the officers.
So it worked Perkins told the Associated Press probably before they were referring to the
Gulf of America.
The 94 year old victim Phyllis Johnson was taken to a hospital for treatment for cuts
and bruises after the attack Sunday afternoon.
She told the courier mail newspaper that she tried unsuccessfully at 94 years old.
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I'm not surprised.
No shame, madam, to fight the kangaroo off with a broom after it attacked her while
she was hanging her laundry.
I thought it was going to kill me.
She told the newspaper from her bed in the hospital on Monday.
He was taller than me and it just plowed through the clothes on the washing line straight
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for me.
She said the kangaroo knocked her to the ground before she crawled to her house where
her son called police.
The animal jumped away, saw another officer at the back of the police car and went for
that officer.
He also deployed his spray.
So the roue had to get sprayed twice.
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And that had hopped away from the scene and police monitored its location.
Wildlife Rangers trapped the kangaroo perk and said it was described as a male red kangaroo,
the world's largest marsupial.
Red kangaroos named for their ginger fur.
A ginger.
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So we know it has no soul can stand as tall as a man and usually weigh around 200 pounds.
Now if you've seen images online of the or in person of these kangaroos, they have a
very thick and muscular build in their chest and forearm areas.
And I'm telling you, man, they have an attitude problem.
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They walk around and they like they flex their arms and they flex their chest and they just
like stare people down.
I've seen multiple videos of they are not intimidated in the least by human beings.
They have they got a real bad attitude.
I mean, I kind of like it.
They respect it.
They know what they're about and they go get it.
But I don't think I would want to fight one of these things.
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I mean, I don't let me rephrase that.
I would actually kind of like to a little bit.
I don't think I would win, but I'm willing to take that chance because that would be
a great memory to tell over some some whiskies later on down the road after I recover from
my hospital stay.
These kangaroos are no joke.
Okay.
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So now we know pepper spray is effective against kangaroos.
Again, the thing this poor lady was just putting out her laundry to dry.
Situational awareness is so important.
While I was preparing this broadcast, I was listening to the police scanner and there was
some poor guy in town that was shot in the chest.
I don't know if he's going to survive or not.
Haven't heard the update on that, but you know, you never know what is going to happen
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out there, whether it's going to be a firearms attack, a kangaroo attack, or in the case of
our next story, we're going to wrap it up with a naked hiker rescued after getting stranded
in suburban Los Angeles.
You got to ask yourself, why?
Why are you naked in suburban Los Angeles?
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Let's go to the story.
A hiker who got lost in Hills in suburban Los Angeles was pictured getting rescued while
completely in the nude.
Hikers raised the alarm about around 8.45 p.m. Monday after hearing someone crying for
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help in Chatsworth.
The Los Angeles fire department said, now, you got to ask yourself, what is going on
where you're walking around in a suburban, I don't know, some type of suburban park or
forest in these Hills buck naked and you start crying for help.
What has been going on in your life that leads you to that point where you're walking around
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naked, you realize after 4 hours out in the bush that you've made a serious mistake and
you start crying for help.
The stranded man was found by Chopper around 45 minutes later with photos obtained by CBS
Los Angeles showing him waving for help while completely in the buff.
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Now for those of you who aren't familiar with the expression in the buff, that means buck
naked.
This guy was walking around some suburban Los Angeles park buck naked.
The photos which digitally obscured anything intimate, thank goodness, showed him standing
with his hands raised high while under a spotlight.
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The unidentified man is thought to have been missing in the remote location since around
4pm CBS Los Angeles said without saying if it was known why he was naked.
People heard the stranded hikers cries for help and called the Los Angeles fire department
on Monday.
I am looking at the pictures right now online of this guy being hoisted up into a helicopter.
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It's blurred out, thank goodness, but it's some buck naked guy being wheeled or hoisted.
He's being hoisted up into a helicopter with a spotlight on him while he's sitting on
that all part is blurred out.
But can you imagine what's going on?
You have to be hoisted up in buck naked fashion.
Oh my goodness.
(44:32):
He was hoisted from the helicopter by a rescuer and flown to a landing area assessed by paramedics
before being transported to a hospital.
The fire department said the hiker suffered minor injuries, but again it was not immediately
known what happened to him.
Temperatures in the area range between 40 and 50 degrees on Monday according to information
(44:54):
from AccuWeather.com.
Now I wonder why they felt the need to include the fact that temperatures were cool that
day in a story about a naked man.
I guess they just ran short on things to say about the poor fellow.
Okay, that's going to do it folks.
This week are you prepared for a bear attack?
(45:17):
What about without a firearm?
We find out how to make it out alive with just a knife next time.
Okay, that's it.
Remember don't wait until you have an emergency to prepare for it.
If you do, it may be too late.
If you don't make it out alive, you don't make it out at all.
(45:38):
Be safe out there folks.
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