February 19, 2025 • 48 mins
I have always considered myself to be culturally curious. Since I was younger there was always a draw to lean in and learn others stories. Identifying different traditions in the lives of those around me always struck me as an invitation to a whole new world, and deeper connection. As we dive more into parenthood, I have been thinking a lot recently about how I can raise Wesley to be just as curious, and intentional with getting to know the stories of those at our table.
A few years ago I heard Trillia Newbell speak at a Thinq Media Conference that we were attending, and I remember that she communicated with authority, invitation to action and that her words, though powerful, landed softly. When I was given the opportunity to host a conversation with her surrounding her new book, Celebrating Around The Table, the answer was an easy yes.
Through this book and conversation Trillia will lead us through topics like:
- How to raise culturally curious kids
- What intentional living means as a family
- Resources on reflecting on black history month for all ages
- Recipes that celebrate her rich cultural background and how they are used to enhance her families cultural celebration
Trillia and I laughed and reflected throughout this whole conversation, and we invite you to join us wherever you listen to podcasts.
Buy your own copy of Trillia's book here
Follow Trillia @trillianewbell
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey everyone, welcome back to Making Room.
I'm so excited that you're here.
I am cozied up, ready for thisconversation.
Oh, I'm going to start over.
Hey everyone, welcome back toMaking Room.
I am so excited that you'rehere.
This season on the show is sofilled with so many new types of
conversations, new guests, newfriends of the show.
(00:23):
But actually Trillia and Idetermined that we've actually
met before, which is sweet.
I don't get to meet a lot of mypodcast guests in person and so
we have a little bit of historyto play off of, which is always
always sweet to me.
But this conversation is timelyas we move into February and
Black History Month and talkingmore about the table, as always,
(00:43):
I'm so excited to dive intothis book with you and share
about the unique storylinebehind it.
Well, if you do not knowTrillia Newbell, correct me on
that pronunciation when we're onthe screen if I butchered it
your last name.
I always want to say namesright, but if she is new to you,
here's a little bit more abouther.
Trillia is the author of severalbooks, including 52 Weeks in
(01:05):
the Word, a Great Cloud ofWitnesses, sacred Endurance I
love that title.
Wow, if God is for Us Fear andFaith and the children's book
Creative God.
That's really sweet.
I didn't know about that one.
I love that title as well.
Oh, there's more Colorful Us,god's Very Good Idea and Jesus
and the Gift of Friendship.
Goodness, my friend.
She is the host of podcast 52Weeks in the Word and hosts the
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weekly radio show Living byFaith from Moody Radio.
When she isn't writing, she'sencouraging and supporting other
writers as the acquisitions andeditorial director at Moody
Publishers.
Trillia is married to her bestfriend, Thern, and they reside
with their two children nearNashville, tennessee our
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favorite where they enjoy hikingand eating lots of barbecue.
Her new book, celebratingAround the Table, released
nationwide September 3rd 2024.
Well, if you are like me andfelt like January was 10 years
in and of itself, this monthjust went on and on.
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I am set to see our communitiesget back to the table through
hospitality, but it wasn'talways this way.
My husband and I moved toThailand and through it I
experienced some loneliness, andwith it I was given a choice to
sit back and accept it or to dosomething about it.
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And for me that meant twothings that I needed the healing
to learn how to accept aninvitation and the confidence to
know how to extend one.
Through this process, Ideveloped some of the richest
and deepest relationships of mylife Through Making Room by
Gather, you will hearconversations from myself and
experts in the areas of food,design and relationships.
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You see, there are countlessthings trying to keep us from
the table.
But can I tell you something?
Take a seat, because you areready, you are capable, you are
a good host.
Okay, let's do this.
Well, I have to start off byasking so we have come to love
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Nashville.
We spend a lot of time therethroughout the year thanks to
Think and just friends thatwe're growing in relationship
with there, and my husband's ahiker and so whenever we're in
the area, he's like where shouldwe hike?
Where are your spots?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
So where are my spots ?
Well, first of all, quite theassumption that I hike.
But no, I do love to hike.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Didn't it say hiking, or am I wrong?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Oh, maybe I did say it.
We do as a family.
Oh, okay, yes, yes, as a family.
That is so funny because itisn't something I do on my own.
That's why I was like, oh, Ihike, but we like Radnor Lake.
I don't know if people wouldsay that Radnor Lake is a hike,
but there are hiking spots andhiking trails, of course, edwin
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Warner and Percy Warner Parksthose are great and then the
Natchez Trace.
If you go up to the trace,there's lots of.
We actually got lost for a goodtwo hours in the tree because
we hiked through there and wecouldn't quite find our way out,
but we did, and it's justlovely.
This whole place has so manywonderful places to go and be
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outside.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
So we've been to the first two that you said, not the
last one.
That's really fun, and then wehave to chat barbecue for a
second.
So we've been to what?
Uh, what's his name?
My brain this morning?
Uh, martin's.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Martin yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So he was actually on the show a few years back when
he came out with his book how,as a local, where's your go-to,
where's the barbecue spot?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Well, I really do love Ed Lee's, but we do love
Martin's as well, and then thereare so many others that I can't
think of.
I wish I would have thought ofthis ahead of time.
But I'll just say Edley's andMartin's are our two go-to.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Okay, so two things threw us off at Martin's as an
East Coast girl, so we don'thave true barbecue up here, of
course, right.
So we're used to like thesticky brown sauce, which I know
is not true barbecue, right,and just some of the sides that
you guys don't have down South.
So they served it with a pieceof white bread.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, that's actually real common.
Yeah, it's also common to toserve it with especially also
fried chicken to soak in friedchicken.
Yeah so, but cornbread istypical what you're going to get
.
So I think Martin's might beunique in the white bread
because cornbread is a moretypical barbecue and cornbread.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah, and they didn't have a sticky brown sauce and
we were like, oh my gosh, we arenot in Connecticut, this is
like.
Didn't have a sticky brownsauce and we were like, oh my
gosh, we are not in Connecticut,this is like this must be real
barbecue.
That's so funny.
That's so funny.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
It's like that vinegary sauce which Tennessee
actually is a sticky brown sauce, so that's really interesting.
So Memphis is, you will havethat brown sauce.
I think a vinegary sauce ismore North Carolina, I think of
vinegary sauces, more NorthCarolina, I think the Carolinas.
But yeah, tennessee is a brownsauce kind of place.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Well it's.
I was reading your bio and I'mlike Nashville, hiking and
barbecue.
We have three commonalities, soit's like we have to talk about
it.
Yeah, we're hoping to head there.
Actually in a few months.
I I feel like I've had enoughtime away that I'm like okay,
it's time to go back.
My heart's letting me know, sohopefully in March we'll be in
town.
It's a great place.
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It's a great place.
It is Well okay, I'm excited tohave you here.
We connected about this quicklybefore the show.
We connected through thinkmedia, which my listeners know
about just because I'm crazyabout them, and the community
it's been the.
The timing they came into mylife was such a god thing.
Um, it's just been such anintentional, rich community for
me, so I love sharing about itand anyone, as that's a part of
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it, is instant family.
So, um, I was trying toremember actually what you spoke
about at that conference.
Did it have to do with kidssafety, was it?
it wasn't kids safe d it'strying to remember, but it was
kid related, right?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
yes, and it was.
It was and not really it wasn'tjust kids, but yes, kids and
not, I believe, a little bit onanxiety, if I can remember
correctly.
But but for some reason nowit's been a couple of years I
think it was a couple of yearsand so I don't recall but it
(08:50):
would have been on oh, andcultural engagement maybe, and
and how to be in the world, butnot of the world.
I think there was somethinglike that, like anxiety.
I just remember encouragingpeople to that they can either
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follow the world in the way thatthe world is responding to all
things, or lean on the Lord andhave peace because it is so.
I remember that, but I don'tremember the full context.
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, I know it's okay that makes two of us, but I
do remember.
What I do remember is we didn'tget to sit in the crowd for a
lot of it, but for some reason Iwas able to sit in for yours
and I remember that you carriedyourself with such an authority,
but it was a grace filledauthority, Like I remember that
you carried yourself with suchan authority, but it was a grace
filled authority.
Like I remember that you weretalking about a harder topic,
whatever it was.
Whatever it was I remember youtalking about.
(09:52):
It was a weighty topic, but itwas with such grace, Like I feel
like it.
It was able to land softly andI followed you right away and
I've followed you since.
So, yeah, that's encouraging.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I hope that I speak with grace and that people leave
knowing more about the grace ofGod than anything else.
So that's encouraging.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, and I think it's always worth noting I think
I'm saying that right, like theway I want to say it that it
lands softly, like you could saysomething, and it lands in a
way that people can receive itRight.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, that's a part of speaking truth and love.
I mean, if it's a heart of love, then it would.
It should, even if it's hardsometimes.
So I hope that when I use mywords, that it comes from a
place of love and would landsoftly.
That's awesome.
I'm very encouraged.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Good, I'm so glad.
Yeah, no, I wanted todefinitely take the time to
speak that over you, but Iactually don't know much of your
background.
I know that a few of ourlisteners might not either.
I love taking this time for ourguests to share what you want
us to know about you, and sowhat you want us to know about
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your life leading you up to yourplatform.
So we're talking specificallyabout this book.
You could take this, your booklaunch today, but you could take
it whatever direction you want.
What about your background doyou want us to know?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, well, that's interesting.
I grew up in the South and Ihad such a great upbringing.
I did experience racism andthat probably helped shape some
of my desires to write and speakand think about culture and
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differences in a way that'sshored up by the gospel, so that
people understand better in abetter way.
And I am married to I'm in aninterracial marriage, so my
husband is white and hisfamily's from England and we
have two beautiful, wonderfulchildren that are teenagers and
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we live really intentionally.
So our lives and our familywere intentional about meals,
intentional about speaking,intentional we try right, that's
just our goal and to livepretty intentionally together in
community as a family.
So I'm also a writer andspeaker, I work for a publisher,
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so all of those things are alsotrue.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, oh my gosh, there's so much there that I
want to dive into.
I guess, as a mom, I didn'ttell you I was going to ask this
because I didn't know you weregoing to say that, but I want to
pick it out for a second.
You said you live intentionallyas a family and I'm a mom
Wesley's just about a year and ahalf, but I'm realizing he's
already watching, he's alreadylearning, and I want to be
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prepared, I guess, becauseintentionality is something
that's really important to me.
But how, as a mom, have youtaught that?
What does that look like To beintentional?
Intentional, yeah, like how doyou get kid buy-in?
Speaker 2 (13:11):
You know that's such an interesting question and I'm
wondering if it's habits in thehome.
So for us, kid buy-in I mean,our kids don't seem to push back
because it's a part of our DNAand culture.
So it's a part of our culturein the home to have dinner
together.
It's a part of our culture inhome to speak openly and honest,
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because we've been doing itsince they've been young and
they learn right.
So it's something that we havejust been doing in our, in our
home, and it's now a part of ourDNA.
I think it would be odder, ormore odder Is that a word?
It would be more if, if, if weall of a sudden stopped asking
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questions or just let them sitin their rooms all the way.
They would be like there'ssomething wrong.
So I so, because we've been sointentional about certain things
.
That's not.
That's not to say that and I'msure your listeners know this
and you know this that we'vedone everything perfect or even
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well, but we have beenintentional and it's a part of
our DNA and I think it's justhabits that started early.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Wow.
I often say that intentionalityis kind of like contagious too,
and so I think that must betrue with kids too, leading in
intentionality and authenticityas parents.
There's a draw right, andthere's a safety and a comfort.
It's wow, that's beautiful.
I I feel like, yeah, it's not,it's actually not complicated,
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you just I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I'm so glad that you said that, because I think we
overcomplicate just abouteverything.
That doesn't mean that thingsare easy or that things will
always go the way we think theyshould or will.
I mean they just don't half thetime, but it does.
It doesn't trying is half thebattle and just doing the thing,
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whatever that thing is, is halfthe battle.
So it's not complicated.
It doesn't mean that it's nothard, but I do think we
overcomplicate and oftenoverthink most things.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yeah, uh-huh.
I have recently tried to definewhat intentionality means to me
, because it's actually a partof my brand.
It's Gather, intentional Living, everyday, hospitality, and if
you were to tell me to actintentionally, I would know what
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to do.
But to define it is harder.
How would you define it, do youknow?
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Well, no, I mean, I've never thought about it, but
I I, when you were saying thatthe first thing I said is on
purpose.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
So if you're going to do, something intentionally.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
You're not going to do it haphazardly or you're not
going to.
Oh, it's not on a whim, it'sreally on on purpose and there's
so, there's a reason, there's apurpose, and so that isn't in
your intentional living.
I believe it's so that we arevery whimsical and we do a lot
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of things on a whim, but it'sstill on purpose.
So we know on a Saturday we'regonna probably go out to eat as
a family, but we don't knowwhere we're going to go.
But we know we're going to go.
So that is, we are on purpose,spending time, family time,
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almost every Saturday nighttogether, but the whimsy is we
don't know where.
What are we going to do?
I don't know what are we goingto.
How are we going to do?
What's your favorite thingtoday, whatever?
And so it's not so scheduledthat it's rigid or that we
aren't going to look forward toit, but it is on purpose and
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intentional and we do it all.
It's a habit, something thatwe've done.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
So, yeah, I love that , so on purpose, and I'm also
thinking like things that have aripple effect of impact or
benefit.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Absolutely so.
If I keep using the word andmaybe it's probably because of
the theme of your show, but it'salso the theme of our lives.
I the dinner table is veryimportant to us, or the lunch
table or breakfast table,because it's where we talk about
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our lives and the Lord andwhat's going on, and laugh and
do silly things.
So, yes, there is such a,there's a purpose.
It's a building into our familypurpose, it's a building into
our family relational, makingsure that we know what's going
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on, accountability.
So there's so much that happensaround the table.
That is important to us.
So but but yes, any kind we areeven even things like car rides
Most, most of the time, if,especially after school with one
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of my children, the other one'sdriving now but the radio's
down and I'm asking questionsand learning and we love it, we
value that time and so it is onpurpose and most of it is so
that we can lovingly serve ineach other and build into our
relationship.
So 100%.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Wow, I was going to ask you this a little bit later
in the conversation, but itseems like a good time to talk
about now.
Why do you think the table hasthe ability to foster that kind
of intentionality, unlike otherplaces?
Like there is something thathappens at the table where it
almost it, it invites this.
Why do you, why do you thinkthat?
And there's maybe you don'thave an answer.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Well, I mean, I don't have.
I don't know if I have theright answer, but I have an idea
, and so I I wonder if part ofit is that it's.
It's somewhat it depends on thetable, right.
So some tables are formal andthat's on purpose.
There's a reason for that, andbut around a, a table with
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friends and hospitality orfamily, you usually are
stripping away the, theformalities, right, and so I I
also think it's a placetypically where you're still you
know what I mean Like we're notbusy, we're sitting, you're
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sitting and you're you'rehopefully, eyes are on each
other, and um and I,distractions are minimized
typically, and and so I thinkthat's another, even if it is
just, it doesn't mean that it'sit's beautiful.
All the time you could havebeen throwing food, I mean, it's
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not that it, but it's typicallya slowed down, you know place.
So I do wonder if that, yeah,what do you think?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, I love asking people because I love hearing
the different insight, becauseall of us come from different
table cultures right, the tablemeans something different in all
of our homes and all of ourbackgrounds Right.
And so, even as you were sayingthat, some people might be
listening thinking, oh wow, I'venever experienced peace at the
table and it almost if that'sbeen your experience where the
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table's always been hurried ormaybe angsty or hostile, with
different conversations.
Right, it is almost this likerelearning, um reconditioning to
experience it as a place ofpeace.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
So, yeah, yeah, no, you're exactly right, Because
there's so many people who whoare scarfing.
You know they've got theyexperience.
Hostility is difficult, and soif that is someone's experience,
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one, I'm so very sorry thatyou've experienced that.
But I do believe that God is aredeemer and there is a I'll
pray one that he will redeemthat situation.
But I do wonder also if we canmake space for the more slowed
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down.
So maybe it's not every meal,maybe it's one.
Yeah, maybe there's.
You know, there's a one placewhere we could carve out and say
, ok, this is when we're goingto gather together, we're going
to slow down, we're going totake our bucket and put our
phones in it and move them away,and and we're going to be
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together.
So so I wonder if, if smallsteps is a better, small steps
is a better.
You know at one thing that Ioften say about people who are
gifted differently than me orhave experiences different than
I am I don't have to be thatperson.
I can rejoice for them, but Ican also learn.
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So maybe there is an aspect ofthat as well.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeah, Goodness, oh, I love it.
This is my language.
Well, we are talking about yourbook today.
I the lighting is terrible, I'mgoing to attach the picture and
all the show notes butcelebrating around the table,
learning the stories of blackChristians through readings,
fellowship, food and faith, and,oh my goodness, the layout of
this book.
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Talk about intentionality.
It is designed so intentionally, so beautifully.
I always say there's dignity indetail and good detail, and I
just it it.
Yeah, I felt that.
I felt that through all of thedesign, um, the way that you
guys drew all the people thatyou were talking, the art,
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whoever the artist was, that wasso beautiful, Steven Crofts.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
He did that artwork.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yes, Beautiful it is.
It's stunning.
All of it is stunning, but Iwant to talk about a little bit
more, about the heart of it.
So we're talking about theimportance of celebrating Black
History Month as a family foryou guys in your home, and, as
you talked about it, I loved theway that you processed a
particular aspect of it, and I'mgoing to read a quote, a quote
from the book A knowledge andunderstanding of others' history
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can be a catalyst for opendialogue.
Of course, we wouldn't want toassume that knowledge equates to
full understanding, but it canhelp.
I think it's really importantfor us to see the connection
here between hearing stories andhaving open dialogue, or
hearing stories and connection.
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We live in a culture right nowthat loves small talk, that kind
of doesn't really know how togo past that, and so I think
it's important for us to realizeokay, when we take that step
deeper, when we open up, youknow the opportunity to hear
stories there's, there's a lotthere that's untapped.
So I would love to hear youtalk about how you make room for
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this at your table and how Iguess others can too.
How to make room for storiesand how I guess others can too.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
How to make room for stories?
Thank you for repeating thatquestion.
You know, I think for us we arejust a curious family, so we
ask a lot of questions and we'rereading through things and so,
in the context of celebratingaround the table every Black
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History Month, we would researcha person and then just talk
about what we learned.
And so it again, intentional isthe word for the day.
It is, yeah, but it would bevery intentional learning about
people.
But we're also we have from thebeginning kind of instilled in
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our kids a curiosity aboutpeople and people groups, and so
it is somewhat natural for usto ask questions about other
cultures and people.
So it's very intentional inFebruary because of Black
History Month, and we've justbeen doing it every year for
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years now.
And yeah, so we'll bring up aquestion or I'll tell a story
and then we'll talk about itAgain really casually.
Tell a story and then we'lltalk about it again really
casually.
In this book I give peopleprompts, because not everyone's
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done something like this before,but it is pretty just casual
and interesting about theirlives or about their history,
about something that we learned,and we let the conversation go
where it goes.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Wow, wow.
I remember.
So we were on the missionsfields in Thailand and with a
group of incredible, veryintentional people, and a few of
them in particular wereincredible question askers.
And I remember when I firstexperienced them in friendship,
the their question asking was soforeign to me that it felt a
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little bit uncomfortable atfirst, and then, the longer I
got to know them, I was like,wow, your question asking
actually makes me feel veryknown.
I think that sometimes in ourculture right now we might
question motive behind questionasking, but I think that there's
a difference that is veryimportant for people to know,
that there's a differencebetween people being curious and
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being nosy.
That is very important forpeople to know that there's a
difference between people beingcurious and being nosy.
And I think that curiosity canlead to this depth of
understanding and connectionlike you're talking about, and
that not everyone comes from.
Maybe it's just a New Englandthing.
New England's hard.
Not everyone is approachingquestion asking from a place of
malintent or nosiness, right?
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Oh yeah, oh yeah, and questionsare okay to ask and they're
also important to receive.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah, yeah, so that is.
I'm glad you mentioned context,because I do.
Yeah, that matters, contextmatters and culture matters,
because in some cultures itwould be completely rude to ask
a very personal question.
And so one of the things that Ido and not in my home because,
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well, no, with as my kids havegotten older, I will ask is it
okay if I ask you aboutsomething?
Ooh, that's good, yeah, andthat gives me that chance to,
yes, please do.
And I have been told no, notright now, cause I'm anxious or
stressed or I need to rest, or.
And then you're like okay, I'llask, I'll talk to you later
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about it, and so it gives theperson the opportunity to say
yes.
And once they say yes, then youshould be able to ask the
question.
And if they, they say yes, thenyou should be able to ask the
question.
And if they if I think ourresponse is important as well if
someone, if you really aregenuinely loving your neighbor
as yourself, then you can askquestions, being curious and
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trust that that it will be okayand that, but but it is.
That is interesting, because Ididn't.
One of the things in the Souththat I experienced is that,
maybe fluff in answers if you'retalking about asking questions
to strangers, right?
(29:07):
So you ask how are you doing?
I'm fine, everything's good,you know.
And so that is the harder thing, probably in the South is this
facade of everything's awesomeall the time.
But I don't, you know, Ihaven't.
I've lived in the North for oneminute and I'm not very long,
(29:28):
so I don't know what culturallythat looks like, but yeah, so,
that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
If someone is maybe wanting to become a better
question, asker.
So you said that you guys are avery curious family, which I
love that you describe yourfamily unit that way, because
there's so much value there andculture needs it.
What are?
I don't know if you have anapproach per se, but how could
people adopt that Curiosity?
(29:57):
Yeah, yeah, like.
What does it look like to becurious in relationship?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
You know, I'm going to encourage a resource that's
kind of a it will kind ofcorrect our hearts a little bit.
Tim Keller, who was atheologian and pastor.
He wrote a book called theFreedom of Self-Forgetfulness
and it is a wonderful little.
It's almost like a pamphlet.
(30:25):
It's a short little resourcethat helps us learn how to get
our eyes off ourselves, to getour eyes on others.
I think that is the key tocuriosity is to want to learn
about other people.
So often we are thinking abouthow we appear or how we look or
(30:47):
how we sound or how we you nameit that it's hard for us to
overcome that, to say, hey, Isee you, how are you, let me
learn about you, and so that, tome, is the key to, or one of
the keys to, helping us be acurious people.
(31:09):
Another one is just asking Godto help us love people, and and
that builds curiosity.
So if we're just, wow, I wantto know about this person and
that culture, and that, then itwill, we won't, we can't help
(31:30):
but ask questions because or toread and to learn.
So curiosity, I really thinkit's a part of one getting our
eyes off of ourselves, whichcould mean our circumstance, or
it could mean literallyourselves and asking God to give
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us a real love for others sothat we might see people the way
he sees them as image bearerswho are valuable and have worth.
And so if people are valuableand have worth, then we should
be curious about them.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Wow, I just noted that.
I'll include that in the shownotes.
I'm familiar with Tim KellerTim Keller, but not that book.
And that sounds like a powerfulread and it's two minutes long,
is it really?
It's short, it's so short, it'slike a pamphlet.
Well, you know what that'shelpful.
Last year, I set this veryunrealistic goal for me to read
a certain amount of books and Ididn't read it or I didn't reach
(32:30):
it, and I'm like I need shorterbooks this year so that I could
like check them.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Okay, there you go.
That's a good one, that'samazing.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Oh, my goodness, I also kind of a random side note
but on my to-do list I have acolumn that says quick things
and a column that says longprojects, and whenever I need a
boost I do something on my quickthings list so I could cross it
off and get kind of like fuel.
So I need books for that reasontoo.
One thing I didn't put this onmy notes either, as you were
(33:04):
telling the stories of thepeople in the book I loved I
should have quoted this, but yousaid that you used their name.
I'm probably going to getchoked up after, like when they
were came help me word that likeafter slavery, yeah, out of
slavery, right, and that wassuch a beautiful, intentional
(33:25):
detail and it made me choke up.
Can you explain that?
Put the words in my mouth.
Can you explain to me how youapproached that?
Because that was, oh mygoodness, so honoring and
intentional of their stories.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah, and, I hope, dignifying, and that is what my
heart, that's what I wanted todo.
I wanted to, hey, these, themen and women who were enslaved
in the book when they were freedor fought for their freedom or
(34:03):
escaped.
They named themselves and Iwanted to honor them by using
the name that they used forthemselves and not their slave
name, because that is the namethat.
And so, yeah, I wanted to givethem honor and dignity and and,
and I felt like that was one wayI could do that, and I felt
(34:24):
like that was one way I could dothat.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Wow, wow.
Well, I do really try toexperience the books on my own
before I have theseconversations.
You know, here on the show, andthat was one thing that I was
like, wow, that's very worthnoting.
Yeah, it was a beautifuladdition to write that out for
(34:47):
readers to experience.
Well, when you were creatingthis book, I've noted that it's
very different from others thatI've seen what was important for
you to include for readers, sothat differentiates it, I guess,
from others on the market.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah, so there are so many biographies on the market,
but even in the biographicalsketches I wanted to use as much
of the actual person's name,work and words as I could.
So I looked at those primarysources their own
(35:25):
autobiographies or their ownjournals and writings and I
wanted to include them.
So that is, I think, unique fora short profile.
Another thing is that I did adevotional based on something
about their character orsomething that I learned about
(35:46):
them.
So if they were reallycourageous, then I didn't have a
devotional about courage.
Or if Elizabeth Freeman shefought for her own freedom and
she used the Declaration ofIndependence to do it, and that
all men and women shall betreated equally.
So I used that idea and Ithought, okay, well then we need
(36:09):
to understand Genesis 1, theImago Dei.
Let's dive into that.
So that is a unique aspect ofthis book and, of course, the
fact that it has recipes.
This is actually a prettyunique, giftable.
Unique, giftable, usable book.
(36:32):
So it's not something that justis you have to read and be done
.
It can be.
It's user-friendly.
It has so many questions thatcan be used with families,
friends, for all ages.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
For all ages, for all ages too, which I love.
So I think you were saying inthe book that you maybe geared
it more towards teenage kids,but you have a kid's corner,
right?
Is that correct?
Like the main questions are fora teenage audience, right?
Or like teenage and adult?
But yeah, I guess elaborate onthat, because I really
appreciated that part of it too.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yeah, well, I think you said in my bio, I'm a kid's
author as well, so I've writtenbooks like God's Very Good Idea
and other picture books andmiddle grade books.
So I also have taught Sundayschool for years and years and
years.
For families to use that, Iprovide a question or something
(37:28):
to help parents, a prompt really, to help parents engage in the
content.
Well, because one of thequestions that I get all the
time is where do I start, whatshould I say?
How do I say this?
And so I wanted to provide hey,here's a little prompt, here's
a little question that you canuse to engage your children's
(37:54):
heart and minds, and so it'sjust something that was really
important to me.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Wow, so sweet.
And so we're talking a lot inthis episode about people
wanting to start withintentionality and start
reflecting, and so I'm sothankful that you provided that,
because it gives a piece ofyour heart to them as a resource
to help them kick off.
Well, well, something that wasvery fun was the recipes
included in, was it?
(38:20):
So?
It's three, three recipechapters.
They get that right in the book.
It's three, three recipechapters.
Did I get?
Speaker 2 (38:27):
that right in the book?
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Well, there are there's a lot of recipes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
There are a lot of recipes and and I'm looking at
the book right now just to ifyou go just to see if I could
count but I can't.
So if you go to the end, topage 207, you'll see a recipe
(38:55):
index.
But there's lots of there'smain recipes.
The goal really is to providethree meals a week.
So most many people can't cookthree meals, but I wanted to
provide it just in case they hadto give options.
So you get the main dishes andside dishes and one dessert per
week, because that's mostdesserts can be eaten all week.
Um, but I will say and I need tosay this out loud I am not a
(39:19):
chef.
I am yes, I am a home cooker,I'm a home chef.
I also will say I do not eatlike this all the time because
it is very Southern.
My mom is cooking.
(39:40):
I'm actually much more healthconscious and so this book takes
there's there's lots of helpthere.
The, the every recipe in hereisn't unhealthy at all, but
there are a few that are prettyunhealthy and I um very Southern
kind of um, and and it's it's.
(40:02):
It's not how I eat every singleweek, but it is an.
It was an absolute joy and ablast to do.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Wow, it's a really sweet part.
So the goal is to have theserecipes as you're reflecting, so
the reader would cook therecipe and then have this time
with their family, reflecting onthe questions and create almost
like a whole experience.
So it's like an experiencedelivered to them in a book.
Absolutely, you couldn't havesummed it up better on the
questions and create almost likea whole experience.
So it's like an experiencedelivered to them in a book.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Absolutely.
You couldn't have summed it upbetter, yep.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
That's it, very, very sweet Goodness.
Well, what else about the book?
I guess would you hope readersglean from it, or the experience
that they get from it, that wedidn't cover Anything that we
missed.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Yeah, I think you actually.
Yeah, I think we coveredeverything.
I just hope people leave thatthey've learned something new or
learned something at all, soit's educational.
I also pray that people's faithwould be built, that they would
understand more about the Lordand the character of the reader
(41:16):
and the Lord and then that theywould have fun.
I think we.
Often there's a lot oflamenting.
Some of the stories are very,very hard, but we can enjoy each
other and enjoy getting aroundthe table, even as we are
(41:38):
talking about these hard things.
That's coming together andmaking memories, and fun may not
be the right word, butcelebrating is a good word and
coming together is a good word,and that's what I hope.
I hope that it will beenjoyable as they gather
together.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Wow, Well, I could stand behind that and see all of
that coming to pass.
Well, celebrating around thetable available where all books
are sold.
Or where should they buy it?
Where's the best pay?
Oh, where all books are sold.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, where all books are sold is.
Yeah, that's right, and you canalways go to my website or
celebratingaroundthetablecom.
Yeah, or Trillium.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Okay, I'll include all those I know.
Sometimes for authors it's morebeneficial to send them one
place or another, but Well, Imean, you could go to Amazon.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
That's where.
But I know that there's so manydifferent viewpoints on Amazon,
but Amazon is a great place toto grab the book and it's I
think it's half off right nowthere or something, so that's a
great place to go.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Amazing, amazing, amazing.
Well, we end all of ourconversations with the same
three questions, and I'd love tohear your answers as well.
The first is something you haveeaten recently and loved.
It could be anything.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
I have discovered how to make a really yummy homemade
ramen.
I am just like in love with it.
I feel like I'm making it withdifferent vegetables and it's so
good and I make it.
I don't use the package,clearly, so I use it with this
(43:17):
gluten-free brown kind of noodle.
It's just delicious.
So that has been something funI've been eating lately.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
I, my husband, very gently told me the other day
he's like I think you need tolearn how to make it because I
get pho or like pho at theVietnamese restaurant.
I think it's pho.
Yeah, it's like $20 a bowl.
And he's like this is not acheap habit, katie.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Can we get a new habit, please?
That's the best thing ever.
Can we get a new habit, please?
(44:04):
That's the best thing ever.
So I was like, no, it's my foodthat I don't want to know how
to make.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
I want to buy it, but no, I should explore.
It's so amazing, I love, I lovepho, yeah, yeah, and the hoisin
sauce and fish sauce and allthat stuff.
It's so good.
Yeah, oh well, I like thatanswer, but I'm not going to
(44:10):
tell him that you make it athome, because then he's going to
be like get her recipe.
Oh man, how about something youhave found to be beautiful
lately?
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Ooh, that's interesting.
Oh, um, my daughter, I knowthat's so.
Of course my daughter'sbeautiful, but she's grown, she,
she just turned 50.
She turned 15 in November.
She is turning into this justbeautiful woman.
And it's so weird and alsobeautiful, lovely, wonderful.
(44:50):
So I just I look at my daughterand it takes my breath away.
It literally takes my breathaway.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
There was a picture I think it was you and your
daughter in the book.
You're kind of like forehead toforehead.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Oh, probably Family does, thankfully, but I'm so
grateful yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Wow, very beautiful.
Well, last but not least, thishas been my favorite lately
Something you've discoveredrecently that you think everyone
should know, about A Netflixshow an Amazon purchase.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
Oh okay, this could divide your audience.
Where is this wild show onApple is so interesting you
(46:09):
could spend.
I could write essays on it.
It's so interesting about ourminds and our temptations and
how we escape.
Have you heard?
Speaker 1 (46:22):
of it.
Have you seen it?
We were at family dinner thislast weekend celebrating
birthdays and my sister andbrother-in-law came.
They were like you have towatch Severance.
Yeah, they just, and I haven'tgotten there, but it's so OK.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
But you got to start with season one.
But it is a compelling show andI think it just oh it's I could
.
I would love to sit around asmall table and talk to people
about what our temptations are,that we would do you would.
(46:57):
We want to escape pain, sorrow,suffering so much so that we'd
alter our minds.
You'll see, I'm not going tosay anything else.
It's interesting.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Wow, that does sound good.
We need a good show too.
My husband's a big YouTubevideo guy, and so we end up
watching a lot of YouTube, but Ineed a show.
I need a like yeah, I need a.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
You all.
If you watch it, tell me yeah,I will, and we could like
process it together.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Uber eats you some pho and we can.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
I'm sorry, husband, she's now giving away her habit.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
Oh, my goodness, so much fun.
Well, thank you so much forcoming on, and I want people to
join in on the fun themselves.
So where do you want people tofollow along?
Yeah, where do you want to sendpeople?
Speaker 2 (47:50):
Yes, okay, instagram is probably where I am most on
if you're wanting real lifeinteraction, and that is at
Trillia Newbell, but I also havea website, trillianewbellcom,
and Substack.
All that information is at mywebsite and that's probably the
easiest place to start.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Great.
Oh, I love it all so much.
Well, thank you so much fortaking the time.
We are celebrating this launchwith you, black History Month
with you, and just thank you somuch for your intentionality and
authenticity.
I know it inspired all of thoselistening today.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Of course.
Well, guys, we will see younext week.
Hey everyone, welcome back to Making Room.
I'm so excited that you're here.
I am cozied up, ready for thisconversation.
Oh, I'm going to start over.
Hey everyone, welcome back toMaking Room.
I am so excited that you'rehere.
This season on the show is sofilled with so many new types of
conversations, new guests, newfriends of the show.
(00:23):
But actually Trillia and Idetermined that we've actually
met before, which is sweet.
I don't get to meet a lot of mypodcast guests in person and so
we have a little bit of historyto play off of, which is always
always sweet to me.
But this conversation is timelyas we move into February and
Black History Month and talkingmore about the table, as always,
(00:43):
I'm so excited to dive intothis book with you and share
about the unique storylinebehind it.
Well, if you do not knowTrillia Newbell, correct me on
that pronunciation when we're onthe screen if I butchered it
your last name.
I always want to say namesright, but if she is new to you,
here's a little bit more abouther.
Trillia is the author of severalbooks, including 52 Weeks in
(01:05):
the Word, a Great Cloud ofWitnesses, sacred Endurance I
love that title.
Wow, if God is for Us Fear andFaith and the children's book
Creative God.
That's really sweet.
I didn't know about that one.
I love that title as well.
Oh, there's more Colorful Us,god's Very Good Idea and Jesus
and the Gift of Friendship.
Goodness, my friend.
She is the host of podcast 52Weeks in the Word and hosts the
(01:29):
weekly radio show Living byFaith from Moody Radio.
When she isn't writing, she'sencouraging and supporting other
writers as the acquisitions andeditorial director at Moody
Publishers.
Trillia is married to her bestfriend, Thern, and they reside
with their two children nearNashville, tennessee our
(01:51):
favorite where they enjoy hikingand eating lots of barbecue.
Her new book, celebratingAround the Table, released
nationwide September 3rd 2024.
Well, if you are like me andfelt like January was 10 years
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I am set to see our communitiesget back to the table through
hospitality, but it wasn'talways this way.
My husband and I moved toThailand and through it I
experienced some loneliness, andwith it I was given a choice to
sit back and accept it or to dosomething about it.
(03:37):
And for me that meant twothings that I needed the healing
to learn how to accept aninvitation and the confidence to
know how to extend one.
Through this process, Ideveloped some of the richest
and deepest relationships of mylife Through Making Room by
Gather, you will hearconversations from myself and
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You see, there are countlessthings trying to keep us from
the table.
But can I tell you something?
Take a seat, because you areready, you are capable, you are
a good host.
Okay, let's do this.
Well, I have to start off byasking so we have come to love
(04:22):
Nashville.
We spend a lot of time therethroughout the year thanks to
Think and just friends thatwe're growing in relationship
with there, and my husband's ahiker and so whenever we're in
the area, he's like where shouldwe hike?
Where are your spots?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
So where are my spots ?
Well, first of all, quite theassumption that I hike.
But no, I do love to hike.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Didn't it say hiking, or am I wrong?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Oh, maybe I did say it.
We do as a family.
Oh, okay, yes, yes, as a family.
That is so funny because itisn't something I do on my own.
That's why I was like, oh, Ihike, but we like Radnor Lake.
I don't know if people wouldsay that Radnor Lake is a hike,
but there are hiking spots andhiking trails, of course, edwin
(05:11):
Warner and Percy Warner Parksthose are great and then the
Natchez Trace.
If you go up to the trace,there's lots of.
We actually got lost for a goodtwo hours in the tree because
we hiked through there and wecouldn't quite find our way out,
but we did, and it's justlovely.
This whole place has so manywonderful places to go and be
(05:34):
outside.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
So we've been to the first two that you said, not the
last one.
That's really fun, and then wehave to chat barbecue for a
second.
So we've been to what?
Uh, what's his name?
My brain this morning?
Uh, martin's.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Martin yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So he was actually on the show a few years back when
he came out with his book how,as a local, where's your go-to,
where's the barbecue spot?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Well, I really do love Ed Lee's, but we do love
Martin's as well, and then thereare so many others that I can't
think of.
I wish I would have thought ofthis ahead of time.
But I'll just say Edley's andMartin's are our two go-to.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Okay, so two things threw us off at Martin's as an
East Coast girl, so we don'thave true barbecue up here, of
course, right.
So we're used to like thesticky brown sauce, which I know
is not true barbecue, right,and just some of the sides that
you guys don't have down South.
So they served it with a pieceof white bread.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, that's actually real common.
Yeah, it's also common to toserve it with especially also
fried chicken to soak in friedchicken.
Yeah so, but cornbread istypical what you're going to get
.
So I think Martin's might beunique in the white bread
because cornbread is a moretypical barbecue and cornbread.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah, and they didn't have a sticky brown sauce and
we were like, oh my gosh, we arenot in Connecticut, this is
like.
Didn't have a sticky brownsauce and we were like, oh my
gosh, we are not in Connecticut,this is like this must be real
barbecue.
That's so funny.
That's so funny.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
It's like that vinegary sauce which Tennessee
actually is a sticky brown sauce, so that's really interesting.
So Memphis is, you will havethat brown sauce.
I think a vinegary sauce ismore North Carolina, I think of
vinegary sauces, more NorthCarolina, I think the Carolinas.
But yeah, tennessee is a brownsauce kind of place.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Well it's.
I was reading your bio and I'mlike Nashville, hiking and
barbecue.
We have three commonalities, soit's like we have to talk about
it.
Yeah, we're hoping to head there.
Actually in a few months.
I I feel like I've had enoughtime away that I'm like okay,
it's time to go back.
My heart's letting me know, sohopefully in March we'll be in
town.
It's a great place.
(07:51):
It's a great place.
It is Well okay, I'm excited tohave you here.
We connected about this quicklybefore the show.
We connected through thinkmedia, which my listeners know
about just because I'm crazyabout them, and the community
it's been the.
The timing they came into mylife was such a god thing.
Um, it's just been such anintentional, rich community for
me, so I love sharing about itand anyone, as that's a part of
(08:14):
it, is instant family.
So, um, I was trying toremember actually what you spoke
about at that conference.
Did it have to do with kidssafety, was it?
it wasn't kids safe d it'strying to remember, but it was
kid related, right?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
yes, and it was.
It was and not really it wasn'tjust kids, but yes, kids and
not, I believe, a little bit onanxiety, if I can remember
correctly.
But but for some reason nowit's been a couple of years I
think it was a couple of yearsand so I don't recall but it
(08:50):
would have been on oh, andcultural engagement maybe, and
and how to be in the world, butnot of the world.
I think there was somethinglike that, like anxiety.
I just remember encouragingpeople to that they can either
(09:15):
follow the world in the way thatthe world is responding to all
things, or lean on the Lord andhave peace because it is so.
I remember that, but I don'tremember the full context.
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, I know it's okay that makes two of us, but I
do remember.
What I do remember is we didn'tget to sit in the crowd for a
lot of it, but for some reason Iwas able to sit in for yours
and I remember that you carriedyourself with such an authority,
but it was a grace filledauthority, Like I remember that
you carried yourself with suchan authority, but it was a grace
filled authority.
Like I remember that you weretalking about a harder topic,
whatever it was.
Whatever it was I remember youtalking about.
(09:52):
It was a weighty topic, but itwas with such grace, Like I feel
like it.
It was able to land softly andI followed you right away and
I've followed you since.
So, yeah, that's encouraging.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I hope that I speak with grace and that people leave
knowing more about the grace ofGod than anything else.
So that's encouraging.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, and I think it's always worth noting I think
I'm saying that right, like theway I want to say it that it
lands softly, like you could saysomething, and it lands in a
way that people can receive itRight.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, that's a part of speaking truth and love.
I mean, if it's a heart of love, then it would.
It should, even if it's hardsometimes.
So I hope that when I use mywords, that it comes from a
place of love and would landsoftly.
That's awesome.
I'm very encouraged.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Good, I'm so glad.
Yeah, no, I wanted todefinitely take the time to
speak that over you, but Iactually don't know much of your
background.
I know that a few of ourlisteners might not either.
I love taking this time for ourguests to share what you want
us to know about you, and sowhat you want us to know about
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your life leading you up to yourplatform.
So we're talking specificallyabout this book.
You could take this, your booklaunch today, but you could take
it whatever direction you want.
What about your background doyou want us to know?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, well, that's interesting.
I grew up in the South and Ihad such a great upbringing.
I did experience racism andthat probably helped shape some
of my desires to write and speakand think about culture and
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differences in a way that'sshored up by the gospel, so that
people understand better in abetter way.
And I am married to I'm in aninterracial marriage, so my
husband is white and hisfamily's from England and we
have two beautiful, wonderfulchildren that are teenagers and
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we live really intentionally.
So our lives and our familywere intentional about meals,
intentional about speaking,intentional we try right, that's
just our goal and to livepretty intentionally together in
community as a family.
So I'm also a writer andspeaker, I work for a publisher,
(12:31):
so all of those things are alsotrue.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, oh my gosh, there's so much there that I
want to dive into.
I guess, as a mom, I didn'ttell you I was going to ask this
because I didn't know you weregoing to say that, but I want to
pick it out for a second.
You said you live intentionallyas a family and I'm a mom
Wesley's just about a year and ahalf, but I'm realizing he's
already watching, he's alreadylearning, and I want to be
(12:56):
prepared, I guess, becauseintentionality is something
that's really important to me.
But how, as a mom, have youtaught that?
What does that look like To beintentional?
Intentional, yeah, like how doyou get kid buy-in?
Speaker 2 (13:11):
You know that's such an interesting question and I'm
wondering if it's habits in thehome.
So for us, kid buy-in I mean,our kids don't seem to push back
because it's a part of our DNAand culture.
So it's a part of our culturein the home to have dinner
together.
It's a part of our culture inhome to speak openly and honest,
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because we've been doing itsince they've been young and
they learn right.
So it's something that we havejust been doing in our, in our
home, and it's now a part of ourDNA.
I think it would be odder, ormore odder Is that a word?
It would be more if, if, if weall of a sudden stopped asking
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questions or just let them sitin their rooms all the way.
They would be like there'ssomething wrong.
So I so, because we've been sointentional about certain things
.
That's not.
That's not to say that and I'msure your listeners know this
and you know this that we'vedone everything perfect or even
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well, but we have beenintentional and it's a part of
our DNA and I think it's justhabits that started early.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Wow.
I often say that intentionalityis kind of like contagious too,
and so I think that must betrue with kids too, leading in
intentionality and authenticityas parents.
There's a draw right, andthere's a safety and a comfort.
It's wow, that's beautiful.
I I feel like, yeah, it's not,it's actually not complicated,
(14:54):
you just I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I'm so glad that you said that, because I think we
overcomplicate just abouteverything.
That doesn't mean that thingsare easy or that things will
always go the way we think theyshould or will.
I mean they just don't half thetime, but it does.
It doesn't trying is half thebattle and just doing the thing,
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whatever that thing is, is halfthe battle.
So it's not complicated.
It doesn't mean that it's nothard, but I do think we
overcomplicate and oftenoverthink most things.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yeah, uh-huh.
I have recently tried to definewhat intentionality means to me
, because it's actually a partof my brand.
It's Gather, intentional Living, everyday, hospitality, and if
you were to tell me to actintentionally, I would know what
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to do.
But to define it is harder.
How would you define it, do youknow?
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Well, no, I mean, I've never thought about it, but
I I, when you were saying thatthe first thing I said is on
purpose.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
So if you're going to do, something intentionally.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
You're not going to do it haphazardly or you're not
going to.
Oh, it's not on a whim, it'sreally on on purpose and there's
so, there's a reason, there's apurpose, and so that isn't in
your intentional living.
I believe it's so that we arevery whimsical and we do a lot
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of things on a whim, but it'sstill on purpose.
So we know on a Saturday we'regonna probably go out to eat as
a family, but we don't knowwhere we're going to go.
But we know we're going to go.
So that is, we are on purpose,spending time, family time,
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almost every Saturday nighttogether, but the whimsy is we
don't know where.
What are we going to do?
I don't know what are we goingto.
How are we going to do?
What's your favorite thingtoday, whatever?
And so it's not so scheduledthat it's rigid or that we
aren't going to look forward toit, but it is on purpose and
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intentional and we do it all.
It's a habit, something thatwe've done.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
So, yeah, I love that , so on purpose, and I'm also
thinking like things that have aripple effect of impact or
benefit.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Absolutely so.
If I keep using the word andmaybe it's probably because of
the theme of your show, but it'salso the theme of our lives.
I the dinner table is veryimportant to us, or the lunch
table or breakfast table,because it's where we talk about
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our lives and the Lord andwhat's going on, and laugh and
do silly things.
So, yes, there is such a,there's a purpose.
It's a building into our familypurpose, it's a building into
our family relational, makingsure that we know what's going
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on, accountability.
So there's so much that happensaround the table.
That is important to us.
So but but yes, any kind we areeven even things like car rides
Most, most of the time, if,especially after school with one
(18:39):
of my children, the other one'sdriving now but the radio's
down and I'm asking questionsand learning and we love it, we
value that time and so it is onpurpose and most of it is so
that we can lovingly serve ineach other and build into our
relationship.
So 100%.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Wow, I was going to ask you this a little bit later
in the conversation, but itseems like a good time to talk
about now.
Why do you think the table hasthe ability to foster that kind
of intentionality, unlike otherplaces?
Like there is something thathappens at the table where it
almost it, it invites this.
Why do you, why do you thinkthat?
And there's maybe you don'thave an answer.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Well, I mean, I don't have.
I don't know if I have theright answer, but I have an idea
, and so I I wonder if part ofit is that it's.
It's somewhat it depends on thetable, right.
So some tables are formal andthat's on purpose.
There's a reason for that, andbut around a, a table with
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friends and hospitality orfamily, you usually are
stripping away the, theformalities, right, and so I I
also think it's a placetypically where you're still you
know what I mean Like we're notbusy, we're sitting, you're
(20:07):
sitting and you're you'rehopefully, eyes are on each
other, and um and I,distractions are minimized
typically, and and so I thinkthat's another, even if it is
just, it doesn't mean that it'sit's beautiful.
All the time you could havebeen throwing food, I mean, it's
(20:28):
not that it, but it's typicallya slowed down, you know place.
So I do wonder if that, yeah,what do you think?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, I love asking people because I love hearing
the different insight, becauseall of us come from different
table cultures right, the tablemeans something different in all
of our homes and all of ourbackgrounds Right.
And so, even as you were sayingthat, some people might be
listening thinking, oh wow, I'venever experienced peace at the
table and it almost if that'sbeen your experience where the
(21:03):
table's always been hurried ormaybe angsty or hostile, with
different conversations.
Right, it is almost this likerelearning, um reconditioning to
experience it as a place ofpeace.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
So, yeah, yeah, no, you're exactly right, Because
there's so many people who whoare scarfing.
You know they've got theyexperience.
Hostility is difficult, and soif that is someone's experience,
(21:44):
one, I'm so very sorry thatyou've experienced that.
But I do believe that God is aredeemer and there is a I'll
pray one that he will redeemthat situation.
But I do wonder also if we canmake space for the more slowed
(22:04):
down.
So maybe it's not every meal,maybe it's one.
Yeah, maybe there's.
You know, there's a one placewhere we could carve out and say
, ok, this is when we're goingto gather together, we're going
to slow down, we're going totake our bucket and put our
phones in it and move them away,and and we're going to be
(22:25):
together.
So so I wonder if, if smallsteps is a better, small steps
is a better.
You know at one thing that Ioften say about people who are
gifted differently than me orhave experiences different than
I am I don't have to be thatperson.
I can rejoice for them, but Ican also learn.
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So maybe there is an aspect ofthat as well.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeah, Goodness, oh, I love it.
This is my language.
Well, we are talking about yourbook today.
I the lighting is terrible, I'mgoing to attach the picture and
all the show notes butcelebrating around the table,
learning the stories of blackChristians through readings,
fellowship, food and faith, and,oh my goodness, the layout of
this book.
(23:11):
Talk about intentionality.
It is designed so intentionally, so beautifully.
I always say there's dignity indetail and good detail, and I
just it it.
Yeah, I felt that.
I felt that through all of thedesign, um, the way that you
guys drew all the people thatyou were talking, the art,
(23:32):
whoever the artist was, that wasso beautiful, Steven Crofts.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
He did that artwork.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yes, Beautiful it is.
It's stunning.
All of it is stunning, but Iwant to talk about a little bit
more, about the heart of it.
So we're talking about theimportance of celebrating Black
History Month as a family foryou guys in your home, and, as
you talked about it, I loved theway that you processed a
particular aspect of it, and I'mgoing to read a quote, a quote
from the book A knowledge andunderstanding of others' history
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can be a catalyst for opendialogue.
Of course, we wouldn't want toassume that knowledge equates to
full understanding, but it canhelp.
I think it's really importantfor us to see the connection
here between hearing stories andhaving open dialogue, or
hearing stories and connection.
(24:22):
We live in a culture right nowthat loves small talk, that kind
of doesn't really know how togo past that, and so I think
it's important for us to realizeokay, when we take that step
deeper, when we open up, youknow the opportunity to hear
stories there's, there's a lotthere that's untapped.
So I would love to hear youtalk about how you make room for
(24:45):
this at your table and how Iguess others can too.
How to make room for storiesand how I guess others can too.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
How to make room for stories?
Thank you for repeating thatquestion.
You know, I think for us we arejust a curious family, so we
ask a lot of questions and we'rereading through things and so,
in the context of celebratingaround the table every Black
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History Month, we would researcha person and then just talk
about what we learned.
And so it again, intentional isthe word for the day.
It is, yeah, but it would bevery intentional learning about
people.
But we're also we have from thebeginning kind of instilled in
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our kids a curiosity aboutpeople and people groups, and so
it is somewhat natural for usto ask questions about other
cultures and people.
So it's very intentional inFebruary because of Black
History Month, and we've justbeen doing it every year for
(26:01):
years now.
And yeah, so we'll bring up aquestion or I'll tell a story
and then we'll talk about itAgain really casually.
Tell a story and then we'lltalk about it again really
casually.
In this book I give peopleprompts, because not everyone's
(26:21):
done something like this before,but it is pretty just casual
and interesting about theirlives or about their history,
about something that we learned,and we let the conversation go
where it goes.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Wow, wow.
I remember.
So we were on the missionsfields in Thailand and with a
group of incredible, veryintentional people, and a few of
them in particular wereincredible question askers.
And I remember when I firstexperienced them in friendship,
the their question asking was soforeign to me that it felt a
(26:51):
little bit uncomfortable atfirst, and then, the longer I
got to know them, I was like,wow, your question asking
actually makes me feel veryknown.
I think that sometimes in ourculture right now we might
question motive behind questionasking, but I think that there's
a difference that is veryimportant for people to know,
that there's a differencebetween people being curious and
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being nosy.
That is very important forpeople to know that there's a
difference between people beingcurious and being nosy.
And I think that curiosity canlead to this depth of
understanding and connectionlike you're talking about, and
that not everyone comes from.
Maybe it's just a New Englandthing.
New England's hard.
Not everyone is approachingquestion asking from a place of
malintent or nosiness, right?
(27:32):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, and questionsare okay to ask and they're
also important to receive.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah, yeah, so that is.
I'm glad you mentioned context,because I do.
Yeah, that matters, contextmatters and culture matters,
because in some cultures itwould be completely rude to ask
a very personal question.
And so one of the things that Ido and not in my home because,
(28:00):
well, no, with as my kids havegotten older, I will ask is it
okay if I ask you aboutsomething?
Ooh, that's good, yeah, andthat gives me that chance to,
yes, please do.
And I have been told no, notright now, cause I'm anxious or
stressed or I need to rest, or.
And then you're like okay, I'llask, I'll talk to you later
(28:23):
about it, and so it gives theperson the opportunity to say
yes.
And once they say yes, then youshould be able to ask the
question.
And if they, they say yes, thenyou should be able to ask the
question.
And if they if I think ourresponse is important as well if
someone, if you really aregenuinely loving your neighbor
as yourself, then you can askquestions, being curious and
(28:47):
trust that that it will be okayand that, but but it is.
That is interesting, because Ididn't.
One of the things in the Souththat I experienced is that,
maybe fluff in answers if you'retalking about asking questions
to strangers, right?
(29:07):
So you ask how are you doing?
I'm fine, everything's good,you know.
And so that is the harder thing, probably in the South is this
facade of everything's awesomeall the time.
But I don't, you know, Ihaven't.
I've lived in the North for oneminute and I'm not very long,
(29:28):
so I don't know what culturallythat looks like, but yeah, so,
that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
If someone is maybe wanting to become a better
question, asker.
So you said that you guys are avery curious family, which I
love that you describe yourfamily unit that way, because
there's so much value there andculture needs it.
What are?
I don't know if you have anapproach per se, but how could
people adopt that Curiosity?
(29:57):
Yeah, yeah, like.
What does it look like to becurious in relationship?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
You know, I'm going to encourage a resource that's
kind of a it will kind ofcorrect our hearts a little bit.
Tim Keller, who was atheologian and pastor.
He wrote a book called theFreedom of Self-Forgetfulness
and it is a wonderful little.
It's almost like a pamphlet.
(30:25):
It's a short little resourcethat helps us learn how to get
our eyes off ourselves, to getour eyes on others.
I think that is the key tocuriosity is to want to learn
about other people.
So often we are thinking abouthow we appear or how we look or
(30:47):
how we sound or how we you nameit that it's hard for us to
overcome that, to say, hey, Isee you, how are you, let me
learn about you, and so that, tome, is the key to, or one of
the keys to, helping us be acurious people.
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Another one is just asking Godto help us love people, and and
that builds curiosity.
So if we're just, wow, I wantto know about this person and
that culture, and that, then itwill, we won't, we can't help
(31:30):
but ask questions because or toread and to learn.
So curiosity, I really thinkit's a part of one getting our
eyes off of ourselves, whichcould mean our circumstance, or
it could mean literallyourselves and asking God to give
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us a real love for others sothat we might see people the way
he sees them as image bearerswho are valuable and have worth.
And so if people are valuableand have worth, then we should
be curious about them.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Wow, I just noted that.
I'll include that in the shownotes.
I'm familiar with Tim KellerTim Keller, but not that book.
And that sounds like a powerfulread and it's two minutes long,
is it really?
It's short, it's so short, it'slike a pamphlet.
Well, you know what that'shelpful.
Last year, I set this veryunrealistic goal for me to read
a certain amount of books and Ididn't read it or I didn't reach
(32:30):
it, and I'm like I need shorterbooks this year so that I could
like check them.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Okay, there you go.
That's a good one, that'samazing.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Oh, my goodness, I also kind of a random side note
but on my to-do list I have acolumn that says quick things
and a column that says longprojects, and whenever I need a
boost I do something on my quickthings list so I could cross it
off and get kind of like fuel.
So I need books for that reasontoo.
One thing I didn't put this onmy notes either, as you were
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telling the stories of thepeople in the book I loved I
should have quoted this, but yousaid that you used their name.
I'm probably going to getchoked up after, like when they
were came help me word that likeafter slavery, yeah, out of
slavery, right, and that wassuch a beautiful, intentional
(33:25):
detail and it made me choke up.
Can you explain that?
Put the words in my mouth.
Can you explain to me how youapproached that?
Because that was, oh mygoodness, so honoring and
intentional of their stories.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah, and, I hope, dignifying, and that is what my
heart, that's what I wanted todo.
I wanted to, hey, these, themen and women who were enslaved
in the book when they were freedor fought for their freedom or
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escaped.
They named themselves and Iwanted to honor them by using
the name that they used forthemselves and not their slave
name, because that is the namethat.
And so, yeah, I wanted to givethem honor and dignity and and,
and I felt like that was one wayI could do that, and I felt
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like that was one way I could dothat.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Wow, wow.
Well, I do really try toexperience the books on my own
before I have theseconversations.
You know, here on the show, andthat was one thing that I was
like, wow, that's very worthnoting.
Yeah, it was a beautifuladdition to write that out for
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readers to experience.
Well, when you were creatingthis book, I've noted that it's
very different from others thatI've seen what was important for
you to include for readers, sothat differentiates it, I guess,
from others on the market.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah, so there are so many biographies on the market,
but even in the biographicalsketches I wanted to use as much
of the actual person's name,work and words as I could.
So I looked at those primarysources their own
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autobiographies or their ownjournals and writings and I
wanted to include them.
So that is, I think, unique fora short profile.
Another thing is that I did adevotional based on something
about their character orsomething that I learned about
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them.
So if they were reallycourageous, then I didn't have a
devotional about courage.
Or if Elizabeth Freeman shefought for her own freedom and
she used the Declaration ofIndependence to do it, and that
all men and women shall betreated equally.
So I used that idea and Ithought, okay, well then we need
(36:09):
to understand Genesis 1, theImago Dei.
Let's dive into that.
So that is a unique aspect ofthis book and, of course, the
fact that it has recipes.
This is actually a prettyunique, giftable.
Unique, giftable, usable book.
(36:32):
So it's not something that justis you have to read and be done
.
It can be.
It's user-friendly.
It has so many questions thatcan be used with families,
friends, for all ages.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
For all ages, for all ages too, which I love.
So I think you were saying inthe book that you maybe geared
it more towards teenage kids,but you have a kid's corner,
right?
Is that correct?
Like the main questions are fora teenage audience, right?
Or like teenage and adult?
But yeah, I guess elaborate onthat, because I really
appreciated that part of it too.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yeah, well, I think you said in my bio, I'm a kid's
author as well, so I've writtenbooks like God's Very Good Idea
and other picture books andmiddle grade books.
So I also have taught Sundayschool for years and years and
years.
For families to use that, Iprovide a question or something
(37:28):
to help parents, a prompt really, to help parents engage in the
content.
Well, because one of thequestions that I get all the
time is where do I start, whatshould I say?
How do I say this?
And so I wanted to provide hey,here's a little prompt, here's
a little question that you canuse to engage your children's
(37:54):
heart and minds, and so it'sjust something that was really
important to me.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Wow, so sweet.
And so we're talking a lot inthis episode about people
wanting to start withintentionality and start
reflecting, and so I'm sothankful that you provided that,
because it gives a piece ofyour heart to them as a resource
to help them kick off.
Well, well, something that wasvery fun was the recipes
included in, was it?
(38:20):
So?
It's three, three recipechapters.
They get that right in the book.
It's three, three recipechapters.
Did I get?
Speaker 2 (38:27):
that right in the book?
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Well, there are there's a lot of recipes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
There are a lot of recipes and and I'm looking at
the book right now just to ifyou go just to see if I could
count but I can't.
So if you go to the end, topage 207, you'll see a recipe
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index.
But there's lots of there'smain recipes.
The goal really is to providethree meals a week.
So most many people can't cookthree meals, but I wanted to
provide it just in case they hadto give options.
So you get the main dishes andside dishes and one dessert per
week, because that's mostdesserts can be eaten all week.
Um, but I will say and I need tosay this out loud I am not a
(39:19):
chef.
I am yes, I am a home cooker,I'm a home chef.
I also will say I do not eatlike this all the time because
it is very Southern.
My mom is cooking.
(39:40):
I'm actually much more healthconscious and so this book takes
there's there's lots of helpthere.
The, the every recipe in hereisn't unhealthy at all, but
there are a few that are prettyunhealthy and I um very Southern
kind of um, and and it's it's.
(40:02):
It's not how I eat every singleweek, but it is an.
It was an absolute joy and ablast to do.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Wow, it's a really sweet part.
So the goal is to have theserecipes as you're reflecting, so
the reader would cook therecipe and then have this time
with their family, reflecting onthe questions and create almost
like a whole experience.
So it's like an experiencedelivered to them in a book.
Absolutely, you couldn't havesummed it up better on the
questions and create almost likea whole experience.
So it's like an experiencedelivered to them in a book.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Absolutely.
You couldn't have summed it upbetter, yep.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
That's it, very, very sweet Goodness.
Well, what else about the book?
I guess would you hope readersglean from it, or the experience
that they get from it, that wedidn't cover Anything that we
missed.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Yeah, I think you actually.
Yeah, I think we coveredeverything.
I just hope people leave thatthey've learned something new or
learned something at all, soit's educational.
I also pray that people's faithwould be built, that they would
understand more about the Lordand the character of the reader
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and the Lord and then that theywould have fun.
I think we.
Often there's a lot oflamenting.
Some of the stories are very,very hard, but we can enjoy each
other and enjoy getting aroundthe table, even as we are
(41:38):
talking about these hard things.
That's coming together andmaking memories, and fun may not
be the right word, butcelebrating is a good word and
coming together is a good word,and that's what I hope.
I hope that it will beenjoyable as they gather
together.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Wow, Well, I could stand behind that and see all of
that coming to pass.
Well, celebrating around thetable available where all books
are sold.
Or where should they buy it?
Where's the best pay?
Oh, where all books are sold.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, where all books are sold is.
Yeah, that's right, and you canalways go to my website or
celebratingaroundthetablecom.
Yeah, or Trillium.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Okay, I'll include all those I know.
Sometimes for authors it's morebeneficial to send them one
place or another, but Well, Imean, you could go to Amazon.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
That's where.
But I know that there's so manydifferent viewpoints on Amazon,
but Amazon is a great place toto grab the book and it's I
think it's half off right nowthere or something, so that's a
great place to go.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Amazing, amazing, amazing.
Well, we end all of ourconversations with the same
three questions, and I'd love tohear your answers as well.
The first is something you haveeaten recently and loved.
It could be anything.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
I have discovered how to make a really yummy homemade
ramen.
I am just like in love with it.
I feel like I'm making it withdifferent vegetables and it's so
good and I make it.
I don't use the package,clearly, so I use it with this
(43:17):
gluten-free brown kind of noodle.
It's just delicious.
So that has been something funI've been eating lately.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
I, my husband, very gently told me the other day
he's like I think you need tolearn how to make it because I
get pho or like pho at theVietnamese restaurant.
I think it's pho.
Yeah, it's like $20 a bowl.
And he's like this is not acheap habit, katie.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Can we get a new habit, please?
That's the best thing ever.
Can we get a new habit, please?
(44:04):
That's the best thing ever.
So I was like, no, it's my foodthat I don't want to know how
to make.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
I want to buy it, but no, I should explore.
It's so amazing, I love, I lovepho, yeah, yeah, and the hoisin
sauce and fish sauce and allthat stuff.
It's so good.
Yeah, oh well, I like thatanswer, but I'm not going to
(44:10):
tell him that you make it athome, because then he's going to
be like get her recipe.
Oh man, how about something youhave found to be beautiful
lately?
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Ooh, that's interesting.
Oh, um, my daughter, I knowthat's so.
Of course my daughter'sbeautiful, but she's grown, she,
she just turned 50.
She turned 15 in November.
She is turning into this justbeautiful woman.
And it's so weird and alsobeautiful, lovely, wonderful.
(44:50):
So I just I look at my daughterand it takes my breath away.
It literally takes my breathaway.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
There was a picture I think it was you and your
daughter in the book.
You're kind of like forehead toforehead.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Oh, probably Family does, thankfully, but I'm so
grateful yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Wow, very beautiful.
Well, last but not least, thishas been my favorite lately
Something you've discoveredrecently that you think everyone
should know, about A Netflixshow an Amazon purchase.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
Oh okay, this could divide your audience.
Where is this wild show onApple is so interesting you
(46:09):
could spend.
I could write essays on it.
It's so interesting about ourminds and our temptations and
how we escape.
Have you heard?
Speaker 1 (46:22):
of it.
Have you seen it?
We were at family dinner thislast weekend celebrating
birthdays and my sister andbrother-in-law came.
They were like you have towatch Severance.
Yeah, they just, and I haven'tgotten there, but it's so OK.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
But you got to start with season one.
But it is a compelling show andI think it just oh it's I could
.
I would love to sit around asmall table and talk to people
about what our temptations are,that we would do you would.
(46:57):
We want to escape pain, sorrow,suffering so much so that we'd
alter our minds.
You'll see, I'm not going tosay anything else.
It's interesting.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Wow, that does sound good.
We need a good show too.
My husband's a big YouTubevideo guy, and so we end up
watching a lot of YouTube, but Ineed a show.
I need a like yeah, I need a.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
You all.
If you watch it, tell me yeah,I will, and we could like
process it together.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Uber eats you some pho and we can.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
I'm sorry, husband, she's now giving away her habit.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
Oh, my goodness, so much fun.
Well, thank you so much forcoming on, and I want people to
join in on the fun themselves.
So where do you want people tofollow along?
Yeah, where do you want to sendpeople?
Speaker 2 (47:50):
Yes, okay, instagram is probably where I am most on
if you're wanting real lifeinteraction, and that is at
Trillia Newbell, but I also havea website, trillianewbellcom,
and Substack.
All that information is at mywebsite and that's probably the
easiest place to start.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Great.
Oh, I love it all so much.
Well, thank you so much fortaking the time.
We are celebrating this launchwith you, black History Month
with you, and just thank you somuch for your intentionality and
authenticity.
I know it inspired all of thoselistening today.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Of course.
Well, guys, we will see younext week.
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