April 19, 2025 • 54 mins
What happens when our self-worth gets entangled with pain? When dark seasons leave us questioning not just our value, but our very purpose? Erin Eddy Adkins knows this terrain intimately.
Erin takes us behind the curtain of her journey through divorce. She reveals how this dark season led her to choices made in response to trauma—choices that ultimately taught her the profound connection between how we value ourselves and how we allow others to treat us.
This understanding became the foundation for her clothing brand and community that bridges pain and shame toward self-worth awareness.
Beyond personal transformation, our conversation ventures into the entrepreneurial wilderness, where consistency battles with comparison and obedience doesn't always yield immediate results. Her refreshing perspective offers a counternarrative to hustle culture while acknowledging the very real struggles creative entrepreneurs face.
Whether you're navigating your own dark season, questioning your worth, or simply tired of performing your way to belonging, this episode offers gentle wisdom from someone who's walked through the fire and emerged with a message: "You're worthy to show up to the thing that makes you come alive." Join us for this intimate conversation about finding worth in our wounds and purpose in our pain.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey guys, welcome back to Making Room.
I am so glad you're here.
You know this in this season, Iam really trying to offer
topics that we haven't had yeton the show, really trying to
expand on all the areas that wehave previously focused on food,
design and relationships.
And when I heard about thisguest, this platform, this story
(00:21):
, I knew that it was one that Ihad to bring to you guests, this
platform, this story, I knewthat it was one that I had to
bring to you.
Erin Eddie Adkins is someonethat you might know of.
You might follow her, but incase you don't, here is a little
bit more about her.
She is the founder and CEO ofso Worth Loving, a lifestyle
brand that uses apparel andcommunity to bridge pain and
shame towards an awareness ofself Okay, this word is always a
(00:44):
tongue twister for me Selfworth, slow and steady.
Katie, with 15 years ofimpactful storytelling.
Her work has reached hundredsof thousands worldwide and has
been featured on CNN and Oprah.
That is pretty cool.
She is the co-host of our DailyBread Ministries podcast God
Hears Her and the author of soWorth Loving.
(01:07):
This conversation is going todance between topics of dark
seasons and coming out of them,entrepreneurship and, I'm sure,
a lot of other laughs andconversations in between.
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Hi, I'm Katie, a hospitalityeducator and the host of Making
Room by Gather podcast.
I am set to see our communitiesget back to the table through
hospitality, but it wasn'talways this way.
My husband and I moved toThailand and through it I
experienced some loneliness andwith it I was given a choice to
sit back and accept it or to dosomething about it, and for me
(03:05):
that meant two things that Ineeded the healing to learn how
to accept an invitation and theconfidence to know how to extend
one.
Through this process, Ideveloped some of the richest
and deepest relationships of mylife.
Through Making Room by Gather,you will hear conversations from
myself and experts in the areasof food, design and
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relationships.
You see there are countlessthings trying to keep us from
the table, but can I tell yousomething?
Take a seat because you areready, you are capable, you are
a good.
Okay, welcome.
That trailer was so beautiful,thank you.
(03:49):
I told a guest a few weeks ago.
We had a different show trailer, like the first year of the
show, and I was in the showerone day good old shower and I
just had fresh vision.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
That's where the best ideas come from.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Really no, but really that is my heart, I think for
so long, my story was that I waslearning, that I had to learn
how to extend an invitation, andI was like man, there's another
part of this story I also hadto learn how to receive one, and
so, yeah, it's a huge part ofmy heart.
I love that.
I love it and yay for goodcreative directors right, I love
it.
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And yay for good creativedirectors right.
And teams Come on, you did abeautiful job, goodness.
Well, you, my friend, have yourhands in a lot of really sweet
projects and I love amulti-passionate friend.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
So expand on some of this.
Tell us what you're working onright now.
Yeah, oh, what I'm working onright now.
So I own so Worth Loving.
It's a lifestyle clothingcompany.
It originally started fromspray painting t-shirts for free
on a Tumblr blog and then fastforward like 15 years later.
I now am launching a podcastwith so Worth Loving.
So we're going to be havinghonest conversations about the
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struggles of worth and that'ssomething that I've witnessed
just in the last 15 years of itsorigin was the reason people
wanted to wear the message thatthey're so worth loving was
because they wanted to remindthemselves and remind others,
because it's very common to feelunworthy of love, but uncommon
to talk about it.
And if we talk about it and weall know this it's like if we
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talk about it, we tell a friendsomething.
We feel all of a sudden like,oh wait, what I experienced that
too Like we have thoseconversations often.
Um, well, we can have thoseconversations often and I want
to capture them on recording.
So that's one thing I'm workingon is is this baby that's going
to be launched into the worldin the summer?
Speaker 1 (05:48):
So sweet, so sweet.
I love this world, obviously,and love encouraging others in
this space.
Well, it was so funny to reador not funny, but sweet to my
heart to read the Our DailyBread Ministries podcast.
So, growing up that was just apart of my life, that was a part
of my faith experience the OurDaily Bread.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Little books, right?
I mean, that's the sameministry, right.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yes, yes, so I am a co-host to a podcast called God
Hears Her and I remember the OurDaily Bread devotionals that my
mom would just have layingaround and I had no idea that
they were anything beyond that.
And then I looked into theministry when they reached out
about me being a co-host and Ijust learned I didn't realize it
started off as a radio station.
I didn't realize that theytranslate the devotions in like
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150 languages, so it's not justWestern Christianity, but it's
globally.
Who is God, and that's how theyreally fine tune their
devotions, which just made mehave way more respect and
inspiration from them.
That's cool.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I haven't seen, I haven't had my hands on one in a
while.
But I remember I was in fourthor fifth grade and my gym
teacher was a really special guy.
He just had a really sweetheart and was really sweet with
kids and I had to go into hisoffice for something I don't
know.
Maybe like the kickball went inthere and I went and got it
something random like that andthere was an Our Daily Bread on
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his desk.
I was a believer at home andjust kind of learning,
navigating my faith and talkingabout Jesus, all that stuff, and
I was like, oh you, you're aChristian too, that signature
devotional like it's.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I think if we send like 60 million devotions
throughout the world for free,yeah, it's just so cool it's.
It's one that's lived.
The organization itself isalways evolving and I love that
they've.
Over the last five years I'vereally entered into a different
medium.
You know it's been print for solong and now they're it's.
(07:53):
They did radio and they've doneradio, but now it's podcast,
which is really cool.
Love the space.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Love, love, love.
Podcasts.
Well, um, okay.
So, to be honest, I know just alittle bit about this part of
your story, but not much, and soI want you to expand on it for
us.
But I know something thatyou're passionate about
encouraging people from, like,the place in your life.
You're encouraging, am I sayingthat right?
Yeah, encouraging from thisplace, yeah, yeah, right Is when
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you were coming out of a darkseason in your life and what you
learned through that.
Now I don't know what theseason is, I don't know all that
it entails, and so I'm going tokind of turn the mic to you.
I would love for you to expandon this to whatever extent
you're comfortable.
Yeah, talk to us about it.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Absolutely.
I, oh man, I like I can see somany memories in my mind.
When somebody asked me about adark season, actually just like
all of them come into my, to mymind.
So I walked through a divorceseven, eight years ago and I
guess hold on, let me do themath of that it's been a long
time, almost a decade, and thatwas the darkest season of my
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life.
I, going through a divorcereally is a death.
It's just person livescontinues to live and you're
walking with mistakes you'vemade.
You're walking with thebetrayal of family or community
or church you make.
You are on the other side ofsomebody else making really
terrible mistakes that leave youbroken.
(09:24):
I mean it's it was just thedarkest season.
I chose a lot of things afterthe divorce.
I chose a lot of things outsideof myself that I didn't realize
.
I can now put words to it thatI was responding to trauma, but
at the time it just and I wasmaking choices that weren't my
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character to feel better and itjust made things worse and it
made things darker.
And so I I came out on theother side of it, but with a
fight, a major fight.
I I really wrestled withbelieving if God really loved me
(10:05):
.
Um, I was angry at him.
I grew up in a Christianhousehold, and my parents,
though, were like they're from,they're from the North, so
they're from Ohio and Indiana,and so I didn't.
I'm not like the typicalSouthern bell.
Uh, we didn't grow upnecessarily like going to church
every day and like doing all ofthese like Christian things,
(10:26):
like it wasn't like that untilprobably my teens, when my dad
started having a huge heart forGod and going after him on
another level that I'd neverwitnessed before, previous to my
teen years, and so, growing upin a Christian household, I did
all the right Christian girlthings, and then I go through a
divorce, and it seemed sudden Iuse air quotes, but it wasn't
(10:49):
sudden, it was.
There were so many things thatit that accumulated to the, to
the bubbling up this divorce,and so, when the divorce
happened, I felt like God didn'tprotect me, he didn't keep his
promise.
I did all of these performance,performative things, things and
he was nowhere to be found orthere was no reward for it.
That was, in my headspace, whatI was thinking.
(11:11):
So I was so angry at him, butgetting on the other side of
that dark season of the divorce.
Before that, I defied him.
I just wanted to go live mybest life and then when I tried
doing that, I realized, wow,this isn't fun either.
Like doing the performativeChristian thing wasn't fun, but
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also like living by the world'sstandards is not fun and I feel
empty.
So there has to be another way,like there has to be something
else.
And so I just remember going toGod and asking him like, hey,
like, if you're real, if you arewho you say you are, I need you
to step up.
I literally prayed that prayer,which sounds so bossy.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
But I was there and I just remember him coming to me
with a question which God knowsme so well to know that I'm very
curious and asking lots ofquestions all the time.
And he came to me with aquestion of like are you
exhausted?
And it was like it was aquestion, but it was also like I
know you are and it was justlike for somebody that's
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listening that doesn't believein God or is kind of like that
sounds so weird.
I know it does.
It does sound weird, because itis weird.
It's like I did not know what,like it wasn't like an audible,
loud noise of God.
It was just depressing and Iknew it wasn't me, like that's
all I can say.
It was like I knew it wasn't meand I just I just heard this
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voice ask me like are youexhausted?
And I said I'm so drained, I'mso exhausted.
Oh, it brings me to tearsbecause I remember the next day
coming out of that season ofdarkness and surrendering, I was
met with a verse in Matthew 11,28.
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And it's are you tired, are youburned out on religion?
Come away with me, get awaywith me and you'll recover your
life.
I won't lay anything heavy.
I came to that verse and I waslike I want all that.
I don't want performativeChristianity, I don't want what
the world tells me it can giveme, because that's exhausting,
but I want that.
I'm burned out on religion.
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I'm this.
This, like everything thatscripture said, that's what I
want, yeah, so that's kind ofhow I got through the dark
season of just so much anger.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I just had so much anger in my heart, goodness,
gracious.
Well, from your story stemmed ajourney, platform, reflection,
all of the above on processingself-worth.
Now I think, as I was thinkingabout this, I was like man,
there's a lot of phrases thatare getting thrown around in
culture right now.
(13:55):
There's the whole self-love,self-care, right.
Those things are kind ofeverywhere.
But I have a feeling that yourheart for this is different, and
so talk to us about what youlearned about self-worth.
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I have learned in the last 15 years of so Worth
Loving, because it is all aboutself-worth.
I have learned that we makedecisions in the way that we
love people, the way that weshow up to community, the way
that we forgive or don't forgive.
A lot of it comes from, andmajority of it comes from, how
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we view ourselves and how, if weare OK with ourselves and if we
are OK with our story, a lifenot believing they're worthy of
love.
That's why they say yes torelationships that don't value
them.
(14:54):
That's why they say yes.
That's why I said yes torelationships that don't value
me.
It's why I've put up withcertain things that are
unhealthy or not good, or Ihaven't had boundaries in
certain areas of my life becauseI don't believe I'm worthy of
love or worthy of saying no orworthy of standing up for myself
.
I give too much it's okays out,I say.
(15:17):
Often we say it's okay, it'sokay until where our life is one
big it's not okay.
And so, with self-worth, I justsee it as like, what are you
saying?
It's okay to a lot that'sreally going to lead to a it's
not okay anymore, and my journeyhas been making choices out of
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that dating guys that I shouldhave said no to, or making
decisions of sleeping with guysI should have said no to, or
like certain acts that I've donein my life that I should have
said no to, and I don't want toshould myself too much, but I
know that I'm done in my lifethat I should have said no to
and I don't want to shouldmyself too much.
But I know that I'm worth moreand living my life through the
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lens that I'm worthy of love.
My, my decisions are different,uh, and my relationships are
different based off of that.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Man there's a lot to reflect on.
Right Important conversation.
Yeah, and I think it takessomeone going through that
process to lead thatconversation.
Like you can't know that at aheart level about like going
through it.
You know it's not a textbookthing, it's a life.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
It's a life thing.
Yeah, people say I should like.
When I was new out of mydivorce, people were like, oh,
just go live your best life,like you deserve to be happy.
But that looked like drinking alot and and like doing things
that I didn't, that don't honorme.
That actually made me feelworse about myself.
So that can't be true, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
And I think sometimes it takes someone else putting
words to it to know that it's aprocess we have to go through
too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah so some peoplemight be listening for the first
time now and they're like, ohyeah, maybe I need to reevaluate
those or ask myself the samequestions, right?
Yes, be curious about yourself,for sure, goodness.
Well, we could sit on this alittle bit longer.
(17:30):
If you want, you tell me, but Ido at some point want to hear
more about your entrepreneur.
Okay, this word, I know thisword Entrepreneurial.
Where's the R?
Where are the R's in this word?
Entrepreneurial?
How do you say it?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Entrepreneurial.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I just said it a little.
I know you just got to likeconfidently, just like land it.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Entrepreneurial Just do your lips that way and it
will like help.
I hope you make this a realEntrepreneurial.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I know I've come to learn that I'm just bad with
words and this podcast is a showof Katie learning how to speak
the English language.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Listen, I've heard people say entrepreneur.
I've heard entrepreneur?
I've heard entrepreneur.
You know, you just do what youwant.
Girl Katie, you make it up.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
You know, I saw this really fun meme.
It was like if you tell someonehow do you say this in English,
it makes you look betterbecause it's like you're just
like bilingual, so you don'tknow the English language
instead of just like.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
That's this moment, right here.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
How do you say that in English?
Yeah, oh my gosh.
Ok, your journey to business.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
That's what we're going to land on.
I like that.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, okay, your journey to business.
That's what we're going to land.
I like that.
Yeah, um, I okay.
So I am very far from where Ihope to be with what I'm
building.
You know, I have not likelanded where I hope to and I'm
not my final destination.
There's a lot of room to grow,um, but there's a lot I've
learned to this point and I love, I'm very passionate about
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hearing people identify dreamsin their own life that they want
to launch, and I'm verysensitive to people expressing
fears or insecuritiessurrounding launching those
things, because I've had tobattle with all of it.
I've gone through all of it.
I love encouraging people inthat space, all of it, the whole
thing, the whole bag.
I love that space.
I love encouraging people inthat space, all of it, the whole
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thing, the whole bag.
I love that space, and so Iwould love to hear from you what
areas of am I going?
Speaker 2 (19:42):
to say the word again Entrepreneurship.
Yeah, you did it, that was good.
Entrepreneurship is easier, Ithink, than entrepreneurial.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yeah, me too.
We'll see how many forms of itI could say in this conversation
.
What areas are you, I guess,like, most passionate about?
What have you learned?
I mean, like, take it, take itwhatever direction you feel best
reflects your heart.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
You know, I I never thought that I would be owning a
business.
I never thought that I'd be acontractor in ways and two.
Like I feel the same thing thatyou just said, like I'm far
from where I want to be in mycareer and it's so easy for me
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to find myself in the comparisontrap.
Where I look around, I'm likeman, a lot of these things that
I want to do.
There's a lot of people alreadydoing them in this space, so
then I talk myself out of it andthen I prolong actually
pursuing anything within it andthen, while I'm doing that, I'm
like depressed and sad.
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So it's like this rollercoaster, like depressed and sad,
so it's like this, likerollercoaster feeling.
The biggest thing that I'velearned in this journey is
consistency and contentment, andI'm really bad at both of those
, which is ironic that I'm in anindustry where it requires both
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of those, where it requiresboth of those.
I, I, you know, if it hasn'tbeen for consistency, I don't
think that certain doors wouldhave opened.
Yeah, but in the process ofwaiting for those doors to open,
I fought with myself of doubtand fear and anxiety and maybe I
should just quit, like I'vequit so many times and then I've
(21:37):
hired myself back again, whichI feel like is very common for
people that work for themselvesor even work within an
organization with a missionfocus.
And for me, like, I just wantto be in spaces that remind
people of their worth and I wantto have conversations about it
and I want to figure out how todo that consistently often and
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be content with how it grows.
And you know, with my adventurewith God Hears Her and being
able to be a co-host, thatreally has opened my eyes,
because I'm interviewing peopleof all walks of life, all
different paths of career, andthey all struggle with the same
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thing, which is all of usbelieving are we good enough,
are we worthy to do this?
And so I think my heart, thething that I'm passionate about,
the thing I want to continue toevolve in my work, is just
continuing to have theconversation and showing that,
like, we're all human and we weall, like, are on just different
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, different speeds of life andwe're all gonna like, we're all
gonna fall and we're all gonnaget back up and we're all gonna
keep going, and then we're gonnafall and we just we're all
gonna do it at different timesand so we can't compare
ourselves to somebody's speeding.
Well, contentment it's like.
To be content is really likebeing okay with where you're at
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and not comparing yourself.
You know it's like I strugglewith that because I'm like man
like, but I, you know, I'm alsoa person of inspiration, like I
get inspired by the things thatI see and taste and smell and
experience.
And so if I can stop my mindfrom wandering from being
inspired to starting to compareand just be content with where
(23:20):
I'm at and what I'm doing, Iactually will enjoy what I do,
because you can't enjoy what youdo if you're constantly
comparing.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
No, what was that?
Obviously, I speak in memes alot.
Do you reference memes a lot?
I do.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I love memes.
My husband gets so many of themon Instagram.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, I know, say we're at that stage and Colby's
like another one.
I'm like, yes, watch it, it'simportant, darn it.
Now.
I just lost my train of thought.
Oh, it was like oh no, it was ameme, it was a meme,
contentment it was a meme and itwas like really inspirational.
It was funny, but inspirational, oh dang, it'll come to me.
Maybe I'll attach it in theshow notes if I think of it when
(23:59):
I'm editing.
Okay, yeah, no, there are.
I mean, man, I could talk awhole weekend, I can make a
whole conference out of thisquestion and just hear people's
answers and share some of myexperience, share some of my
experience.
But I remember for a whilesocial media is a beast.
We know that.
It's not new to anyone.
Algorithm content likes thewhole thing, right.
It affects mental health, itcan stifle creativity, the whole
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thing, right.
So I did the whole trial anderror game have been for a long
time.
And when I say discouraged, Imean like real discouraged.
Like seeing some, seeing someindustry friends with like
thousands of likes and I'm like24, you know I had to post and I
remember I got a DM one daythat I could just tell wasn't
(24:43):
spam.
You know what I mean.
Like sometimes they just dripthat and you're like, okay, I'm
going to just block this person.
But I was like, wow, this isn't.
And this person saw a post thatI posted, I want to say, three
years ago.
I mean, they dug, they dug andI landed a high paying contract
opportunity from that post.
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That got like 20, somethinglikes.
That I probably at one pointwanted to delete.
And I just was like you knowwhat God, like you are so good,
because obedience doesn't alwaysand I've really wrestled with
this Obedience does not alwaysmean a million dollars in the
bank account Obedience.
Obedience does not always meanlike landing the today show
(25:25):
segment, whatever we think it,you know.
Like it doesn't mean likeinstant, overnight success.
Sometimes it means it alwaysmeans one yes after another, one
right step, and if it meanscrying the tears in between, you
know like, if it meanswrestling with God and asking
him those super hard questions,like that is, that is part of
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the process, but it's, it's onestep after another and he, he
does use it.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Oh, it's so good yeah , obedience, that's what it is.
It's so true.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
And yeah, man, entrepreneurship,
entrepreneurship.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
But you know what?
Here's the thing you said yesto being obedient and still
showing up and creating, and itopened up a door and an
opportunity.
And I think that's what peopledon't't.
They don't see the next thing,that's behind the scenes.
They only see what they seeonline and we have to be careful
with taking that with a grainof salt.
Like what we see is noteverything, and just like we
(26:25):
witnessed like beautiful photosof families and then we find out
that something devastatinghappened within the marriage and
they're on a brink of divorceand we're like we never saw it
coming, because we can't justassume what we see is everything
.
And I just I think that thatyou, you showing up and being
obedient is inspirational to me,because I get hung up on that
(26:47):
too.
I'm like you know, I see myfriends that are like like
killing it with, like followersand growth, and like I feel
shadow ban, I haven't grown inlike forever, and like I'm like
I don't understand, like why,and and and.
Then it's like you get that DMand it leads to what you're
purposed for.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, and then I have a friend.
I don't know if she listensit's a public story but I could
share it.
She felt like she was supposedto just be off of Instagram for
a while.
And she was a creator, like ahighly sought after creator, and
she was like what the heck isthis going to mean If I stop
creating?
Like brands are going to see,I'm not consistent, whatever.
(27:26):
And she was like, nope, I needto do this.
And she did.
And during that time of notcreating I don't remember how
long the timeframe was she gotan offer to write for Magnolia
magazine, um, and they slid in.
So, my, every time I've toyedwith this idea, I'm like well,
how are they going to contact me?
I'm like email Katie, there's abutton right there Like you'll
(27:49):
be fine, um, but that's whatthey did.
They, uh, I think, um, ifanyone's interested in the
specifics, I can get the fullstory.
But I think she put some kindof notice, like I'm, you know,
taking a break, and they emailedher, and so it was like man, it
is not all dependent on you,just like like the grind message
, like is so hard for me, causeI'm like no, no, no, like yeah,
(28:10):
I don't know, yeah, talk aboutworth right, you're worth more
than that.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
And like it's an ebb and flow and rest is part of the
process too, and in the workthat you find yourself in and I
find myself in and anybodylistening that's in some sort of
public space, through socialmedia or through podcasting or
writing.
Oftentimes it is to tell astory right.
We're always telling storiesand at some point we have to be
(28:39):
so careful that we're notobjectifying our story and
objectifying ourselves.
To your point of saying like onthe grind and like hustle,
hustle, hustle.
I think that it's honored.
I think you honor yourself whenyou don't objectify yourself and
it's more sustainable and ifyou really want to create
something long, lasting,objectification isn't going to
(29:02):
be the one that gets you there.
You know it will make it youthere fast.
We just have to have boundariesaround ourselves.
(29:22):
I mean, yeah, there is a dayfor hustle and then there's a
day of rest and have every dayof hustle.
I just don't.
At least I don't want that.
I don't want that.
I don't want that.
I've done that before.
It led me to major, majordestruction because I created
unhealthy habits along the way.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Just like you were saying earlier, when you felt
like God spoke something to you.
If anyone's not familiar, Iguess just like with walking
with the Lord in this way orlike faith in this capacity.
Wow, I was muttering thosewords and my thought just went
like shoot like out my I'm like,I am halfway through.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I'm ADHD, so I can roll with it.
Whatever you need, yeah, whatelse?
What do you want me to comeback in?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
No, I will.
You know I'm.
I'm not even going to edit thatout, I'm going to keep that in
because that is so real lifethat is called.
I was wide awake with Wesleyfrom one to four and I was like
I have to talk to people like aprofessional.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Listen, I talked to my husband earlier today and I
was telling him about aninterview.
I did this after or thismorning and I was like, like I
couldn't form words.
I was like uh words.
This is all I said was.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I don't know.
It's real.
I'm not.
Yeah, I'm not even editing thatout.
That's good, don't?
Yeah, that's that's where I'mat.
Um, no, I was telling Colby theother day.
I don't think this is what Iwas gonna say, but I like I
really am wrestling between kindof like the tension of I think
there's something on my roof.
(30:58):
Do you hear noise?
No, talk about ADHD.
It was nice knowing everyone.
No, I'm kidding.
I wrestle with the tension ofwaiting on the Lord to open
doors and going after it, right,and I think that that's a real
(31:19):
tension, but I do think ifyou're sensitive to it, he'll
let you know, I think'll.
I think you just follow thepiece, like you follow where,
where pieces, and it looksdifferent in every season.
And I remember when I firststarted teaching my charcuterie
workshops right before COVID,and I was like man, I don't know
how to get, I'm new to thisbusiness, I don't know how to
get these workshops intovineyards, and I felt like the
(31:42):
Lord said, like don't pitchanybody for one week, and I was
like that's so, like again, yeah, yeah, right, yep, and and
against what any businessstrategist would tell me to do.
And after that week of waiting,um, I'm not kidding you.
I had one full year.
Um, I had I think I had likesix places.
(32:04):
Book me once a month for therest of the year and it was just
like booking like crazy.
And he was like he was like see, wait, like you just have, you
have to listen.
You have to listen because Iwill direct next steps and I
have misunderstood.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
There have been times where I've gone out of step,
but step, but, um, but thewaiting is hard and it's uh, I
think, sometimes, when I'm Idon't know if I'm in the season
of waiting or if it's my life,right, it's like, am I in a
season of waiting or is this mylife?
And I'm just not beingrealistic with it?
(32:39):
Wow, what's the differencebetween the two?
You know, like that's what I'llwrestle with, and sometimes
I'll go through seasons where Ifeel so affirmed in in what I
feel called to do and then, andwhat I want to do, and then, and
then there are times where I'mlike I just I experienced that
doubt again.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
It's good, but, yeah, I think that that's the waiting
.
The waiting is hard, but Ithink it goes back to knowing
you are absolutely worthy of it,Not in an arrogance, it's like
you're worth showing up to thething that really makes you come
(33:19):
alive.
You're worthy to do that andyou're worthy to show up.
And, and if it is a season ofwaiting, uh, and if you, if
there are question marks aroundyour career, it's just again,
it's consistency, it'sdiscipline, it's commitment.
You know it's uh, it's hard,but yeah, yeah, I don't know
where I was going else with that, but no, believe me, I'm with
(33:41):
you.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I'm like I was like I feel like I had a really solid
example to give and it's justgone.
That and the meme.
I'll just give you guys acliffhanger and look in the show
notes for when it finally hitsme, you may close with it, I
might, I might close with it.
That'd be a great close.
It's I think I mentioned thisin another episode recently it's
(34:05):
if, um, if you are surroundedby people that like aren't in
business or aren't in anythingcreative or whatever the the
middle could be so, um, hard forpeople to know, like, what to
do with it.
Right, cause it's like youcould be making a lot more money
if you did this or you could beway less stressed if you went
this way.
But, um, I think that's whyit's so important to surround
(34:26):
yourself with, like emotionallyhealthy people in that space, to
kind of mirror back truth orencourage or affirm that thing.
You're not crazy, you're notwrong, it's a normal part of the
process, all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Especially if you work from home or if you work by
yourself.
It's like I was telling afriend I was she's helping me
with some things, like a projectwe're working on, and I said,
listen, it is very hard for meto be my own hype girl.
Yeah.
To create, edit design, likeall of these things.
Like I am not that I am not myhype girl.
In fact, I tear myself apartmore than I hype myself up yeah.
(35:04):
So to surround yourself withpeople that can help you I mean,
that's the thing.
It's like consistency,discipline, everything that
we're talking about, and it isvery hard, and the only way that
I think that you can really doit is if you surround yourself
with community of people that,like you said, mirror back what?
Yeah, mirror back who you areand what you're capable of and
(35:26):
what you're, like I said, worthyof what you are, worthy to step
into.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
That's good, and I have to remind myself of that
story in my own life of like youknow, just a step of obedience
from years ago that I'm seeinglike the fruit of today.
And I guess I'll end this pointbecause there's other things I
want to talk to you about too,but with this story.
So my friend Aaliyah mylisteners, a lot of my listeners
, know her.
(35:50):
She's my brand strategist, mygraphic designer, website
designer.
My website was down and for thesilliest reason, I got scammed
a few months ago bank account.
It was a horrible situationdrained money like a whole nasty
thing.
Yeah, I was signing up for a newhealth insurance plan and they
got me so good, so good.
(36:12):
I guess for any other likecreatives, entrepreneurs, who
are like shopping for your ownhealth insurance, be so careful.
Because this ad came up forlike Anthem Blue Cross from like
the real Anthem Blue Cross, andI was like, oh, that actually
looks like a great plan thatlike we, whatever fits what
we're looking for.
(36:32):
I did like a Google search oflike whatever, just like Anthem
whatever, and this scam companyjerks paid for, paid for an ad
to be like the first one, likewhen you search anything like
that, but it wasn't likeactually them.
And we laugh about it now,because I fall for stuff like
(36:53):
that all the time.
But they, they were on thephone with me for like an hour
and a half.
They smooth talked me, theylike answered all my questions,
and then they were like, okay,now let me have your credit card
.
And my husband's like why theheck did you get the credit?
I was like because they weregiving me the best insurance of
my life.
But anyways, oh my gosh, that'sawful, katie, they got me so
(37:17):
good.
And anyways, we had to changeour cards.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I forgot to change it on ourwebsite host Forgot to pay,
forgot to pay.
Oh, no, I forgot to pay, forgotto change it.
No, you forgot to change thecard.
Yeah, shut my email or shut mywebsite down, right?
And so I'm like this is sostupid.
I'm like if you want 20 bucks,I'll give you 20 bucks, like
yeah, but of course it's thiswhole thing now.
(37:39):
And so I'm texting my webdesigner earlier.
I'm like you know what, aaliyah?
I'm like just keep it down,just shut it, shut it all down.
Let's just go work at an icecream shop together.
At least we'll be workingtogether.
We'll get ice cream every day.
So there for anyone listening,and if you followed to some of
(38:02):
the opportunities that I've been, like teasing or sharing, like
it can be both and it can youknow there are times where you
do have to stop.
You do have to stop and forceyourself into a heart space of
contentment.
You do because it's yeah, it'sboth and that's terrible.
I'm sorry, I'm still on that,that's terrible.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
I'm sorry, I'm still on that.
That's so awful that thathappened.
But then I totally get thecarrot that is dangled in front
of you where it's like well,everything is shut down, so
maybe you should quit.
It's hard, it's like maybe Ishould, and what we'll do is
we'll go, maybe I just need togo and there's nothing wrong
with having a corporate job,will go, maybe I just need to go
(38:45):
and there's nothing wrong withhaving a corporate job.
I have a lot of friends thathave corporate jobs and I the
the way that they're able toprovide for their family and
create some really coolopportunities and lead teams.
I want to.
I want to preface that isamazing and inspiring, so much
so that I'm like why am Iworking so hard when I could go
work for somebody else and makeway more money?
Like that temptation is so real, so honest, and I just, if
(39:07):
you're, if you are wrestlingwith that, uh, I would say that.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
You're right on track .
I've been there before.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I love this conversationand I always love you.
Know what's been a really sweetpart of the process for me?
I update my bio every year, um,just for like media stuff or
the website, and I updated itthis year and I'm like man,
there is like so much we forgetthe progress sometimes, Right,
(39:34):
and it's so.
That's my word for the yearRemember, um, when I was praying
about a word for the year, Ifelt like the Lord said this is
your year to remember.
And yeah, and so rememberinglooks like that, like looking at
all the growth that's happenedthat sometimes I'm blind to or
refuse to see because I'm soforward focused.
Or remember, remember beauty, Ithink, is something he's trying
(39:57):
to really do in my heart.
Even though seasons have beenreally tough there has been
seasons of trauma and regret andall those things right, there
was also beauty.
Beauty does not dismiss thehard.
It's just something that's alsotrue.
And so just remembering whatwas also there.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
So anyways, lots of little nuggets.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Look at us and our little nuggets of life
experience and wisdom.
Well, tell us a little bit moreabout God.
Hears Her.
You guys are on the brink of anupcoming season.
We want people to know about it.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Season 14, which somebody told me that the other
day and I didn't realize we wereon season 14, because we record
and we enjoy recording and thenup next thing.
You know, I'm like, oh my gosh,there's 14 seasons.
Uh, yeah, so we are coming intotheir 14th season.
I think it's like 200 episodeswe've done so far and since 20.
(40:58):
We started recording in 2019,but I don't believe we launched
until 2020.
Uh, and I'm so excited becausewe are having just really cool
conversations whether it's we'rehaving conversations with women
that are in the messy messinessof life, whether they're
authors or they're ambassadors,or they're women that or we've
(41:18):
done Bible studies that havebeen really cool.
We're doing Bible studies inrecording, and so we're
literally discovering things aswe're recording're doing Bible
studies in recording, and sowe're literally discovering
things as we're recording, whichis really fun for me.
Um, I really enjoy doing itbecause my two other hosts, uh,
that I do the podcast with arejust phenomenal women that know
the Bible and God like likescripture like the back of their
(41:41):
hands.
So, and the way that theycommunicate about God and the
Bible and authors, and the waythat these two hosts do I just I
love to learn from them becausethey're they're years older
than me and I have so much tolearn from them.
So that's coming up.
I lead, I lead a study which wasreally fun for me to explore.
It's actually on self-worth andlabels and lies and how we live
(42:05):
our life through lies, and I'mreally excited about that
episode that's coming out.
But, yeah, god hears her.
You know, we didn't know whatit was gonna be in 2020, and so
it's been really neat to see seeit evolve and impact the lives
of women in their daily life ofgoing to the grocery store or
(42:26):
like listening to as they go tothe grocery store or listening
to when they pick up their kidsor when they go for a run.
It's been really really neat.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
What a sweet platform .
I'll link that in the shownotes for anyone that's wanting
to head over there too.
It's funny to talk aboutseasons on shows.
So I find myself saying, likeon this season, on this season,
and people will ask me like, oh,what season can I find that
episode?
And I'm like I don't haveseasons.
Well, you said you did.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
So for anyone listening that is confused by me
and all of my words when I sayseason, I mean like when the
season outside changes changes.
That's what I'm referring to.
I actually totally resonatewith that, cody, because when I
was on a podcast and they said,oh, you're on 14th season and I
was like we are like because Ithink, like we record throughout
the year, I mean we record 365days, like not really, but but
like it feels that way, Like Imean we are always recording and
so we record like twice a week.
(43:30):
So in my mind I don't, I don'tsee seasons Like we're always
recording.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
So that word.
And then I say we, a lot like,like.
I'll say like we're excited tohost you, and people come on.
They're like, oh, do you andyour husband do it?
And they always call me out.
They're like, oh, you said we.
I'm like.
It's like I've heard otherbusiness owners do this.
It's not an intentionalmisleading, whatever.
(43:56):
Yes, I think I personify thebusiness.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yes, that's normal.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Yeah, I do that normal.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Yeah, I do that.
I say we all the time.
Now we do have a we, but likewhen I first started, there was
just me, and so it was like wemeaning me and my business are a
couple.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
It is a dysfunctional one, but it's oh, I love it, I
love it, I love it.
So funny.
14 season 14.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Yeah, it's crazy.
I I was looking at the notesfor season 15, I was like man,
wow, we've crossed over um amillion downloads, which is
crazy, oh huge, uh it's huge,yeah, just a very exciting
milestone.
Just to think, over a millionpeople are listening to it.
It's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Yeah, that's a huge, huge, huge, huge accomplishment
and definitely talk about likelaunch and strategy, like all
that stuff.
That's just, yeah, it's a hugeaccomplishment.
A lot of work behind that.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
That leads to that point.
Well, I'm just.
I just.
You know we've got a team.
A shout out to Mary Jo, jadeand Ann Stevens.
We're a girl team, that's.
What I love is that it's forwomen, by women, and it really
is so good.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Well, there are three questions we end each of our
conversations with, and I'd loveto hear your answers as well.
First one is something you haveeaten recently and loved.
Oh, could be anything, just ingeneral eaten yeah, a snack, I
don't care.
A good pack of gum, I don'tcare.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
What have I eaten?
Okay, so my husband's on thiswhole keto thing and we made
chicken nuggets the other nightthat are just made out of
chicken and cheese, and theywere so good they tasted like
regular chicken nuggets.
Oh, that was really good.
Oh, and an egg has an egg, egg,cheese, chicken.
Put it all together, makelittle balls, put it in the oven
(46:06):
and they are actually likechicken nuggets.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
That sounds great.
Yeah, I'm at that stage whereWesley's appetite is like
increasing.
You know he's like eating moreand I always thought I was going
to be that like everything fromscratch, mom.
I'm like, oh, I am not One daykid One day?
How old is Wesley A year and ahalf yesterday?
Oh yeah, no wonder I'd be thatway too.
(46:29):
Yeah, maybe a couple of years Iknow, Because that's who I was
before him and now I'm just likeyou get it.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
Yeah, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Yeah, how about a gathering you attended that made
you feel a strong sense ofbelonging?
And if you could pinpoint it,what it was that made you feel
that way?
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Ooh, you know I would say this is probably going to
be a cheesy response, but I Ilove our church so much and it
is a church that brings peoplein that are they don't care if
you're messy, and so I feel likeI belong every Sunday when I
show up Such a gift that's ahuge gift.
I have a lot of you're messy,and so I feel like I belong
every Sunday when I show up.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Such a gift, that's a huge gift.
It is a gift.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
I have a lot of church hurt too, and it's been
so redemptive for me.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
That's really powerful for people to hear,
yeah, as you're talking aboutchurch.
Last but not least, somethingyou have discovered lately that
you think everyone should knowabout a Netflix show show amazon
purchase.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Oh let me think net.
When you said a netflix show, Iwas like wait, um oh, uh.
No, let me think about this.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
I really want.
I really want this to be good.
Um, it's okay anything random Iknow I'm trying to think if I
have any while you're waitingthat's something that I
discovered.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
oh, you know what?
You know we just bought.
We didn't just buy this, but Ithink everybody should own this
if you like things that smellgood a candle warmer you never
melt down your candles.
So I got this thing on Amazon.
It's a little lamp, so cute,and you put a candle underneath
it and it heats the candle andit makes your whole room smell
good.
It's not like there's like themelts that you can get for you,
(48:18):
but it's not like that.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
I've never owned one.
Now that you say it, I knowexactly what you're talking
about, but I've never owned onenow I am now like I love them, I
absolutely love it.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
But then now this whole thing about like how
fragrance causes cancer and I'veread too many studies and now
I'm sad about it so I'm like Ihave to now get a healthy candle
I think did basics just launchone or just ingredients um send
it to me, just ingredients Ilove her, she, I've been trying
(48:52):
to have her.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
yep, just ingredients .
Um, she has incredible content.
If you're looking to kind ofmake the switch in every area of
your life, it's very likeuser-friendly and not a trillion
dollars.
You know, she has a candle.
Yep, yep, she is.
I'm looking at them right now.
That's so funny.
Good old social media.
I remembered her posting aboutit a while ago.
(49:15):
Yep, right here, that'sessential oils and coconut wax.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Ooh Okay, there we go .
I still love my candle warmerthen yeah, oh good.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
I love that answer.
I've been trying to give one ofmy own recently.
Oh, I am, yeah, what'd you do?
We're hooked on this show.
Well, I did love Megan Markle'sdocumentary, even though it's
getting a lot of hate.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
I watched one episode the other night because I was
so curious as to why people arebeing so mean.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
So I did find that there are quirks in every
episode.
Okay, definitely things whereI'm like okay, I know what
people are talking about, but Ialso think, just as a whole
hospitality is intimidating topeople and that's what I'm
hoping to change, yeah, becauseI actually found her approach to
be very approachable.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
I watched her like mix eggs with like this mixer
thing and I was like the way shedid.
It was like not professionaland I loved it, like I was like
that's what I would do.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
Like yes, I know, yeah, your point.
I know, yeah, I think I mightdo.
I had my computer out while Iwas watching it and my husband's
like Kate, you said you're notgoing to work when you watch TV.
I'm like no, I'm taking notes.
So I think I might do areaction episode, because I
(50:38):
think I think there's a deepreason why people are having
such a negative response.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
I think it's important for us to what do you
think you can edit it out?
I'm so curious.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yeah, people want to justify their busy lifestyle and
I think the enemy is reallytrying to keep us from the table
and from enjoying celebrationand from getting back to
extended time in that space andopen hearts and vulnerability
and authenticity and justcelebration of home.
(51:10):
I think celebration of home isa threat to people.
I think the whole like tradwife, if you've heard like
traditional wife it's this termon TikTok where, like any wife
that like makes her kids nicelunches or like um puts flowers
in our living room, you'recalled like a trad wife and it's
(51:30):
like where is the celebration?
Speaker 2 (51:34):
You know, um, celebration of home is not
perfection, it's, I think you'reright, though I think we live
in such a day where, like, wejust villainize, we villainize
people for how they want to dotheir life.
I know, you know, like she'senjoying making salt things.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
I know.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Those salt things.
I want to make the salt things.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
And then I want to ask people too, like have you
ever gone to someone's housewhere you've been a recipient of
that and you felt so like asense of belonging in someone's
home, like, like they, they maderoom for you, like they, they I
don't know if there's a senseof dignity, that I don't know.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
You really should respond.
I honestly it could, it could.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
I have been super um inspired by independent
journalists recently.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Love all the things right now, Like the long form,
what you said, individualjournalism.
I'm so inspired by Me too.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
That's why I'm like I feel like I could do this
pretty gracefully, liketruthfully, but gracefully yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
What was the?
Speaker 1 (52:38):
third, let's see.
You said you've discoveredrecently.
Oh, we talked about the candle.
I'll just ask you where to sendpeople.
So if anyone's wanting tofollow along more and actually
get a copy of your book, youcould talk about that if you
wanted to, or just send peopleto buy it, whatever.
Where do they get your book?
Where do they follow?
Speaker 2 (52:55):
you All of that.
Yes, so you can find God HearsHer at God Hears Her on
Instagram, godhearsherorg, tofind our podcast and all the
resources you can find me at soworth loving.
I'll be on both camps and inboth camps.
So worth lovingcom.
You can follow us at so worthloving and you can also follow
me personally, aaron Eddie E R YN E D D Y on Instagram I love
(53:19):
that name.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
It's super cute.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Thanks, no, Eddie is my maiden name and I love.
I loved it when I got it backafter I went through my divorce
because the meaning of it is astream that goes against the
current, the main current.
I just thought that that's sucha powerful visual and when I
learned that about my last name,I was like I have to keep it.
(53:42):
So when I got married again, Iasked my husband.
I said, babe, I'm going to haveto keep it.
Do you want it?
Do you want my birthday?
Speaker 1 (53:49):
Man, that's good.
So much power in story tellingstories.
So thank you so much forsharing yours.
We will tag all the things.
I feel like we referenced a lotof different things, but I will
tag as much as I could rememberin the show notes.
You guys can click and makeyour way there.
Be sure to tag us Screenshot ifyou listen to any of Erin's
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episodes, and we will see younext week.
Hey guys, welcome back to Making Room.
I am so glad you're here.
You know this in this season, Iam really trying to offer
topics that we haven't had yeton the show, really trying to
expand on all the areas that wehave previously focused on food,
design and relationships.
And when I heard about thisguest, this platform, this story
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, I knew that it was one that Ihad to bring to you guests, this
platform, this story, I knewthat it was one that I had to
bring to you.
Erin Eddie Adkins is someonethat you might know of.
You might follow her, but incase you don't, here is a little
bit more about her.
She is the founder and CEO ofso Worth Loving, a lifestyle
brand that uses apparel andcommunity to bridge pain and
shame towards an awareness ofself Okay, this word is always a
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tongue twister for me Selfworth, slow and steady.
Katie, with 15 years ofimpactful storytelling.
Her work has reached hundredsof thousands worldwide and has
been featured on CNN and Oprah.
That is pretty cool.
She is the co-host of our DailyBread Ministries podcast God
Hears Her and the author of soWorth Loving.
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This conversation is going todance between topics of dark
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Hi, I'm Katie, a hospitalityeducator and the host of Making
Room by Gather podcast.
I am set to see our communitiesget back to the table through
hospitality, but it wasn'talways this way.
My husband and I moved toThailand and through it I
experienced some loneliness andwith it I was given a choice to
sit back and accept it or to dosomething about it, and for me
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that meant two things that Ineeded the healing to learn how
to accept an invitation and theconfidence to know how to extend
one.
Through this process, Ideveloped some of the richest
and deepest relationships of mylife.
Through Making Room by Gather,you will hear conversations from
myself and experts in the areasof food, design and
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relationships.
You see there are countlessthings trying to keep us from
the table, but can I tell yousomething?
Take a seat because you areready, you are capable, you are
a good.
Okay, welcome.
That trailer was so beautiful,thank you.
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I told a guest a few weeks ago.
We had a different show trailer, like the first year of the
show, and I was in the showerone day good old shower and I
just had fresh vision.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
That's where the best ideas come from.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Really no, but really that is my heart, I think for
so long, my story was that I waslearning, that I had to learn
how to extend an invitation, andI was like man, there's another
part of this story I also hadto learn how to receive one, and
so, yeah, it's a huge part ofmy heart.
I love that.
I love it and yay for goodcreative directors right, I love
it.
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And yay for good creativedirectors right.
And teams Come on, you did abeautiful job, goodness.
Well, you, my friend, have yourhands in a lot of really sweet
projects and I love amulti-passionate friend.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
So expand on some of this.
Tell us what you're working onright now.
Yeah, oh, what I'm working onright now.
So I own so Worth Loving.
It's a lifestyle clothingcompany.
It originally started fromspray painting t-shirts for free
on a Tumblr blog and then fastforward like 15 years later.
I now am launching a podcastwith so Worth Loving.
So we're going to be havinghonest conversations about the
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struggles of worth and that'ssomething that I've witnessed
just in the last 15 years of itsorigin was the reason people
wanted to wear the message thatthey're so worth loving was
because they wanted to remindthemselves and remind others,
because it's very common to feelunworthy of love, but uncommon
to talk about it.
And if we talk about it and weall know this it's like if we
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talk about it, we tell a friendsomething.
We feel all of a sudden like,oh wait, what I experienced that
too Like we have thoseconversations often.
Um, well, we can have thoseconversations often and I want
to capture them on recording.
So that's one thing I'm workingon is is this baby that's going
to be launched into the worldin the summer?
Speaker 1 (05:48):
So sweet, so sweet.
I love this world, obviously,and love encouraging others in
this space.
Well, it was so funny to reador not funny, but sweet to my
heart to read the Our DailyBread Ministries podcast.
So, growing up that was just apart of my life, that was a part
of my faith experience the OurDaily Bread.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Little books, right?
I mean, that's the sameministry, right.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yes, yes, so I am a co-host to a podcast called God
Hears Her and I remember the OurDaily Bread devotionals that my
mom would just have layingaround and I had no idea that
they were anything beyond that.
And then I looked into theministry when they reached out
about me being a co-host and Ijust learned I didn't realize it
started off as a radio station.
I didn't realize that theytranslate the devotions in like
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150 languages, so it's not justWestern Christianity, but it's
globally.
Who is God, and that's how theyreally fine tune their
devotions, which just made mehave way more respect and
inspiration from them.
That's cool.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I haven't seen, I haven't had my hands on one in a
while.
But I remember I was in fourthor fifth grade and my gym
teacher was a really special guy.
He just had a really sweetheart and was really sweet with
kids and I had to go into hisoffice for something I don't
know.
Maybe like the kickball went inthere and I went and got it
something random like that andthere was an Our Daily Bread on
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his desk.
I was a believer at home andjust kind of learning,
navigating my faith and talkingabout Jesus, all that stuff, and
I was like, oh you, you're aChristian too, that signature
devotional like it's.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I think if we send like 60 million devotions
throughout the world for free,yeah, it's just so cool it's.
It's one that's lived.
The organization itself isalways evolving and I love that
they've.
Over the last five years I'vereally entered into a different
medium.
You know it's been print for solong and now they're it's.
(07:53):
They did radio and they've doneradio, but now it's podcast,
which is really cool.
Love the space.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Love, love, love.
Podcasts.
Well, um, okay.
So, to be honest, I know just alittle bit about this part of
your story, but not much, and soI want you to expand on it for
us.
But I know something thatyou're passionate about
encouraging people from, like,the place in your life.
You're encouraging, am I sayingthat right?
Yeah, encouraging from thisplace, yeah, yeah, right Is when
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you were coming out of a darkseason in your life and what you
learned through that.
Now I don't know what theseason is, I don't know all that
it entails, and so I'm going tokind of turn the mic to you.
I would love for you to expandon this to whatever extent
you're comfortable.
Yeah, talk to us about it.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Absolutely.
I, oh man, I like I can see somany memories in my mind.
When somebody asked me about adark season, actually just like
all of them come into my, to mymind.
So I walked through a divorceseven, eight years ago and I
guess hold on, let me do themath of that it's been a long
time, almost a decade, and thatwas the darkest season of my
(09:02):
life.
I, going through a divorcereally is a death.
It's just person livescontinues to live and you're
walking with mistakes you'vemade.
You're walking with thebetrayal of family or community
or church you make.
You are on the other side ofsomebody else making really
terrible mistakes that leave youbroken.
(09:24):
I mean it's it was just thedarkest season.
I chose a lot of things afterthe divorce.
I chose a lot of things outsideof myself that I didn't realize
.
I can now put words to it thatI was responding to trauma, but
at the time it just and I wasmaking choices that weren't my
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character to feel better and itjust made things worse and it
made things darker.
And so I I came out on theother side of it, but with a
fight, a major fight.
I I really wrestled withbelieving if God really loved me
(10:05):
.
Um, I was angry at him.
I grew up in a Christianhousehold, and my parents,
though, were like they're from,they're from the North, so
they're from Ohio and Indiana,and so I didn't.
I'm not like the typicalSouthern bell.
Uh, we didn't grow upnecessarily like going to church
every day and like doing all ofthese like Christian things,
(10:26):
like it wasn't like that untilprobably my teens, when my dad
started having a huge heart forGod and going after him on
another level that I'd neverwitnessed before, previous to my
teen years, and so, growing upin a Christian household, I did
all the right Christian girlthings, and then I go through a
divorce, and it seemed sudden Iuse air quotes, but it wasn't
(10:49):
sudden, it was.
There were so many things thatit that accumulated to the, to
the bubbling up this divorce,and so, when the divorce
happened, I felt like God didn'tprotect me, he didn't keep his
promise.
I did all of these performance,performative things, things and
he was nowhere to be found orthere was no reward for it.
That was, in my headspace, whatI was thinking.
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So I was so angry at him, butgetting on the other side of
that dark season of the divorce.
Before that, I defied him.
I just wanted to go live mybest life and then when I tried
doing that, I realized, wow,this isn't fun either.
Like doing the performativeChristian thing wasn't fun, but
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also like living by the world'sstandards is not fun and I feel
empty.
So there has to be another way,like there has to be something
else.
And so I just remember going toGod and asking him like, hey,
like, if you're real, if you arewho you say you are, I need you
to step up.
I literally prayed that prayer,which sounds so bossy.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
But I was there and I just remember him coming to me
with a question which God knowsme so well to know that I'm very
curious and asking lots ofquestions all the time.
And he came to me with aquestion of like are you
exhausted?
And it was like it was aquestion, but it was also like I
know you are and it was justlike for somebody that's
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listening that doesn't believein God or is kind of like that
sounds so weird.
I know it does.
It does sound weird, because itis weird.
It's like I did not know what,like it wasn't like an audible,
loud noise of God.
It was just depressing and Iknew it wasn't me, like that's
all I can say.
It was like I knew it wasn't meand I just I just heard this
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voice ask me like are youexhausted?
And I said I'm so drained, I'mso exhausted.
Oh, it brings me to tearsbecause I remember the next day
coming out of that season ofdarkness and surrendering, I was
met with a verse in Matthew 11,28.
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And it's are you tired, are youburned out on religion?
Come away with me, get awaywith me and you'll recover your
life.
I won't lay anything heavy.
I came to that verse and I waslike I want all that.
I don't want performativeChristianity, I don't want what
the world tells me it can giveme, because that's exhausting,
but I want that.
I'm burned out on religion.
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I'm this.
This, like everything thatscripture said, that's what I
want, yeah, so that's kind ofhow I got through the dark
season of just so much anger.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I just had so much anger in my heart, goodness,
gracious.
Well, from your story stemmed ajourney, platform, reflection,
all of the above on processingself-worth.
Now I think, as I was thinkingabout this, I was like man,
there's a lot of phrases thatare getting thrown around in
culture right now.
(13:55):
There's the whole self-love,self-care, right.
Those things are kind ofeverywhere.
But I have a feeling that yourheart for this is different, and
so talk to us about what youlearned about self-worth.
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I have learned in the last 15 years of so Worth
Loving, because it is all aboutself-worth.
I have learned that we makedecisions in the way that we
love people, the way that weshow up to community, the way
that we forgive or don't forgive.
A lot of it comes from, andmajority of it comes from, how
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we view ourselves and how, if weare OK with ourselves and if we
are OK with our story, a lifenot believing they're worthy of
love.
That's why they say yes torelationships that don't value
them.
(14:54):
That's why they say yes.
That's why I said yes torelationships that don't value
me.
It's why I've put up withcertain things that are
unhealthy or not good, or Ihaven't had boundaries in
certain areas of my life becauseI don't believe I'm worthy of
love or worthy of saying no orworthy of standing up for myself
.
I give too much it's okays out,I say.
(15:17):
Often we say it's okay, it'sokay until where our life is one
big it's not okay.
And so, with self-worth, I justsee it as like, what are you
saying?
It's okay to a lot that'sreally going to lead to a it's
not okay anymore, and my journeyhas been making choices out of
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that dating guys that I shouldhave said no to, or making
decisions of sleeping with guysI should have said no to, or
like certain acts that I've donein my life that I should have
said no to, and I don't want toshould myself too much, but I
know that I'm done in my lifethat I should have said no to
and I don't want to shouldmyself too much.
But I know that I'm worth moreand living my life through the
(15:59):
lens that I'm worthy of love.
My, my decisions are different,uh, and my relationships are
different based off of that.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Man there's a lot to reflect on.
Right Important conversation.
Yeah, and I think it takessomeone going through that
process to lead thatconversation.
Like you can't know that at aheart level about like going
through it.
You know it's not a textbookthing, it's a life.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
It's a life thing.
Yeah, people say I should like.
When I was new out of mydivorce, people were like, oh,
just go live your best life,like you deserve to be happy.
But that looked like drinking alot and and like doing things
that I didn't, that don't honorme.
That actually made me feelworse about myself.
So that can't be true, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
And I think sometimes it takes someone else putting
words to it to know that it's aprocess we have to go through
too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah so some peoplemight be listening for the first
time now and they're like, ohyeah, maybe I need to reevaluate
those or ask myself the samequestions, right?
Yes, be curious about yourself,for sure, goodness.
Well, we could sit on this alittle bit longer.
(17:30):
If you want, you tell me, but Ido at some point want to hear
more about your entrepreneur.
Okay, this word, I know thisword Entrepreneurial.
Where's the R?
Where are the R's in this word?
Entrepreneurial?
How do you say it?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Entrepreneurial.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I just said it a little.
I know you just got to likeconfidently, just like land it.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Entrepreneurial Just do your lips that way and it
will like help.
I hope you make this a realEntrepreneurial.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I know I've come to learn that I'm just bad with
words and this podcast is a showof Katie learning how to speak
the English language.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Listen, I've heard people say entrepreneur.
I've heard entrepreneur?
I've heard entrepreneur.
You know, you just do what youwant.
Girl Katie, you make it up.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
You know, I saw this really fun meme.
It was like if you tell someonehow do you say this in English,
it makes you look betterbecause it's like you're just
like bilingual, so you don'tknow the English language
instead of just like.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
That's this moment, right here.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
How do you say that in English?
Yeah, oh my gosh.
Ok, your journey to business.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
That's what we're going to land on.
I like that.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, okay, your journey to business.
That's what we're going to land.
I like that.
Yeah, um, I okay.
So I am very far from where Ihope to be with what I'm
building.
You know, I have not likelanded where I hope to and I'm
not my final destination.
There's a lot of room to grow,um, but there's a lot I've
learned to this point and I love, I'm very passionate about
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hearing people identify dreamsin their own life that they want
to launch, and I'm verysensitive to people expressing
fears or insecuritiessurrounding launching those
things, because I've had tobattle with all of it.
I've gone through all of it.
I love encouraging people inthat space, all of it, the whole
thing, the whole bag.
I love that space.
I love encouraging people inthat space, all of it, the whole
(19:35):
thing, the whole bag.
I love that space, and so Iwould love to hear from you what
areas of am I going?
Speaker 2 (19:42):
to say the word again Entrepreneurship.
Yeah, you did it, that was good.
Entrepreneurship is easier, Ithink, than entrepreneurial.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yeah, me too.
We'll see how many forms of itI could say in this conversation
.
What areas are you, I guess,like, most passionate about?
What have you learned?
I mean, like, take it, take itwhatever direction you feel best
reflects your heart.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
You know, I I never thought that I would be owning a
business.
I never thought that I'd be acontractor in ways and two.
Like I feel the same thing thatyou just said, like I'm far
from where I want to be in mycareer and it's so easy for me
(20:29):
to find myself in the comparisontrap.
Where I look around, I'm likeman, a lot of these things that
I want to do.
There's a lot of people alreadydoing them in this space, so
then I talk myself out of it andthen I prolong actually
pursuing anything within it andthen, while I'm doing that, I'm
like depressed and sad.
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So it's like this rollercoaster, like depressed and sad,
so it's like this, likerollercoaster feeling.
The biggest thing that I'velearned in this journey is
consistency and contentment, andI'm really bad at both of those
, which is ironic that I'm in anindustry where it requires both
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of those, where it requiresboth of those.
I, I, you know, if it hasn'tbeen for consistency, I don't
think that certain doors wouldhave opened.
Yeah, but in the process ofwaiting for those doors to open,
I fought with myself of doubtand fear and anxiety and maybe I
should just quit, like I'vequit so many times and then I've
(21:37):
hired myself back again, whichI feel like is very common for
people that work for themselvesor even work within an
organization with a missionfocus.
And for me, like, I just wantto be in spaces that remind
people of their worth and I wantto have conversations about it
and I want to figure out how todo that consistently often and
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be content with how it grows.
And you know, with my adventurewith God Hears Her and being
able to be a co-host, thatreally has opened my eyes,
because I'm interviewing peopleof all walks of life, all
different paths of career, andthey all struggle with the same
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thing, which is all of usbelieving are we good enough,
are we worthy to do this?
And so I think my heart, thething that I'm passionate about,
the thing I want to continue toevolve in my work, is just
continuing to have theconversation and showing that,
like, we're all human and we weall, like, are on just different
(22:40):
, different speeds of life andwe're all gonna like, we're all
gonna fall and we're all gonnaget back up and we're all gonna
keep going, and then we're gonnafall and we just we're all
gonna do it at different timesand so we can't compare
ourselves to somebody's speeding.
Well, contentment it's like.
To be content is really likebeing okay with where you're at
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and not comparing yourself.
You know it's like I strugglewith that because I'm like man
like, but I, you know, I'm alsoa person of inspiration, like I
get inspired by the things thatI see and taste and smell and
experience.
And so if I can stop my mindfrom wandering from being
inspired to starting to compareand just be content with where
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I'm at and what I'm doing, Iactually will enjoy what I do,
because you can't enjoy what youdo if you're constantly
comparing.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
No, what was that?
Obviously, I speak in memes alot.
Do you reference memes a lot?
I do.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I love memes.
My husband gets so many of themon Instagram.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, I know, say we're at that stage and Colby's
like another one.
I'm like, yes, watch it, it'simportant, darn it.
Now.
I just lost my train of thought.
Oh, it was like oh no, it was ameme, it was a meme,
contentment it was a meme and itwas like really inspirational.
It was funny, but inspirational, oh dang, it'll come to me.
Maybe I'll attach it in theshow notes if I think of it when
(23:59):
I'm editing.
Okay, yeah, no, there are.
I mean, man, I could talk awhole weekend, I can make a
whole conference out of thisquestion and just hear people's
answers and share some of myexperience, share some of my
experience.
But I remember for a whilesocial media is a beast.
We know that.
It's not new to anyone.
Algorithm content likes thewhole thing, right.
It affects mental health, itcan stifle creativity, the whole
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thing, right.
So I did the whole trial anderror game have been for a long
time.
And when I say discouraged, Imean like real discouraged.
Like seeing some, seeing someindustry friends with like
thousands of likes and I'm like24, you know I had to post and I
remember I got a DM one daythat I could just tell wasn't
(24:43):
spam.
You know what I mean.
Like sometimes they just dripthat and you're like, okay, I'm
going to just block this person.
But I was like, wow, this isn't.
And this person saw a post thatI posted, I want to say, three
years ago.
I mean, they dug, they dug andI landed a high paying contract
opportunity from that post.
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That got like 20, somethinglikes.
That I probably at one pointwanted to delete.
And I just was like you knowwhat God, like you are so good,
because obedience doesn't alwaysand I've really wrestled with
this Obedience does not alwaysmean a million dollars in the
bank account Obedience.
Obedience does not always meanlike landing the today show
(25:25):
segment, whatever we think it,you know.
Like it doesn't mean likeinstant, overnight success.
Sometimes it means it alwaysmeans one yes after another, one
right step, and if it meanscrying the tears in between, you
know like, if it meanswrestling with God and asking
him those super hard questions,like that is, that is part of
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the process, but it's, it's onestep after another and he, he
does use it.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Oh, it's so good yeah , obedience, that's what it is.
It's so true.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
And yeah, man, entrepreneurship,
entrepreneurship.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
But you know what?
Here's the thing you said yesto being obedient and still
showing up and creating, and itopened up a door and an
opportunity.
And I think that's what peopledon't't.
They don't see the next thing,that's behind the scenes.
They only see what they seeonline and we have to be careful
with taking that with a grainof salt.
Like what we see is noteverything, and just like we
(26:25):
witnessed like beautiful photosof families and then we find out
that something devastatinghappened within the marriage and
they're on a brink of divorceand we're like we never saw it
coming, because we can't justassume what we see is everything
.
And I just I think that thatyou, you showing up and being
obedient is inspirational to me,because I get hung up on that
(26:47):
too.
I'm like you know, I see myfriends that are like like
killing it with, like followersand growth, and like I feel
shadow ban, I haven't grown inlike forever, and like I'm like
I don't understand, like why,and and and.
Then it's like you get that DMand it leads to what you're
purposed for.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, and then I have a friend.
I don't know if she listensit's a public story but I could
share it.
She felt like she was supposedto just be off of Instagram for
a while.
And she was a creator, like ahighly sought after creator, and
she was like what the heck isthis going to mean If I stop
creating?
Like brands are going to see,I'm not consistent, whatever.
(27:26):
And she was like, nope, I needto do this.
And she did.
And during that time of notcreating I don't remember how
long the timeframe was she gotan offer to write for Magnolia
magazine, um, and they slid in.
So, my, every time I've toyedwith this idea, I'm like well,
how are they going to contact me?
I'm like email Katie, there's abutton right there Like you'll
(27:49):
be fine, um, but that's whatthey did.
They, uh, I think, um, ifanyone's interested in the
specifics, I can get the fullstory.
But I think she put some kindof notice, like I'm, you know,
taking a break, and they emailedher, and so it was like man, it
is not all dependent on you,just like like the grind message
, like is so hard for me, causeI'm like no, no, no, like yeah,
(28:10):
I don't know, yeah, talk aboutworth right, you're worth more
than that.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
And like it's an ebb and flow and rest is part of the
process too, and in the workthat you find yourself in and I
find myself in and anybodylistening that's in some sort of
public space, through socialmedia or through podcasting or
writing.
Oftentimes it is to tell astory right.
We're always telling storiesand at some point we have to be
(28:39):
so careful that we're notobjectifying our story and
objectifying ourselves.
To your point of saying like onthe grind and like hustle,
hustle, hustle.
I think that it's honored.
I think you honor yourself whenyou don't objectify yourself and
it's more sustainable and ifyou really want to create
something long, lasting,objectification isn't going to
(29:02):
be the one that gets you there.
You know it will make it youthere fast.
We just have to have boundariesaround ourselves.
(29:22):
I mean, yeah, there is a dayfor hustle and then there's a
day of rest and have every dayof hustle.
I just don't.
At least I don't want that.
I don't want that.
I don't want that.
I've done that before.
It led me to major, majordestruction because I created
unhealthy habits along the way.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Just like you were saying earlier, when you felt
like God spoke something to you.
If anyone's not familiar, Iguess just like with walking
with the Lord in this way orlike faith in this capacity.
Wow, I was muttering thosewords and my thought just went
like shoot like out my I'm like,I am halfway through.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I'm ADHD, so I can roll with it.
Whatever you need, yeah, whatelse?
What do you want me to comeback in?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
No, I will.
You know I'm.
I'm not even going to edit thatout, I'm going to keep that in
because that is so real lifethat is called.
I was wide awake with Wesleyfrom one to four and I was like
I have to talk to people like aprofessional.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Listen, I talked to my husband earlier today and I
was telling him about aninterview.
I did this after or thismorning and I was like, like I
couldn't form words.
I was like uh words.
This is all I said was.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I don't know.
It's real.
I'm not.
Yeah, I'm not even editing thatout.
That's good, don't?
Yeah, that's that's where I'mat.
Um, no, I was telling Colby theother day.
I don't think this is what Iwas gonna say, but I like I
really am wrestling between kindof like the tension of I think
there's something on my roof.
(30:58):
Do you hear noise?
No, talk about ADHD.
It was nice knowing everyone.
No, I'm kidding.
I wrestle with the tension ofwaiting on the Lord to open
doors and going after it, right,and I think that that's a real
(31:19):
tension, but I do think ifyou're sensitive to it, he'll
let you know, I think'll.
I think you just follow thepiece, like you follow where,
where pieces, and it looksdifferent in every season.
And I remember when I firststarted teaching my charcuterie
workshops right before COVID,and I was like man, I don't know
how to get, I'm new to thisbusiness, I don't know how to
get these workshops intovineyards, and I felt like the
(31:42):
Lord said, like don't pitchanybody for one week, and I was
like that's so, like again, yeah, yeah, right, yep, and and
against what any businessstrategist would tell me to do.
And after that week of waiting,um, I'm not kidding you.
I had one full year.
Um, I had I think I had likesix places.
(32:04):
Book me once a month for therest of the year and it was just
like booking like crazy.
And he was like he was like see, wait, like you just have, you
have to listen.
You have to listen because Iwill direct next steps and I
have misunderstood.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
There have been times where I've gone out of step,
but step, but, um, but thewaiting is hard and it's uh, I
think, sometimes, when I'm Idon't know if I'm in the season
of waiting or if it's my life,right, it's like, am I in a
season of waiting or is this mylife?
And I'm just not beingrealistic with it?
(32:39):
Wow, what's the differencebetween the two?
You know, like that's what I'llwrestle with, and sometimes
I'll go through seasons where Ifeel so affirmed in in what I
feel called to do and then, andwhat I want to do, and then, and
then there are times where I'mlike I just I experienced that
doubt again.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
It's good, but, yeah, I think that that's the waiting
.
The waiting is hard, but Ithink it goes back to knowing
you are absolutely worthy of it,Not in an arrogance, it's like
you're worth showing up to thething that really makes you come
(33:19):
alive.
You're worthy to do that andyou're worthy to show up.
And, and if it is a season ofwaiting, uh, and if you, if
there are question marks aroundyour career, it's just again,
it's consistency, it'sdiscipline, it's commitment.
You know it's uh, it's hard,but yeah, yeah, I don't know
where I was going else with that, but no, believe me, I'm with
(33:41):
you.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I'm like I was like I feel like I had a really solid
example to give and it's justgone.
That and the meme.
I'll just give you guys acliffhanger and look in the show
notes for when it finally hitsme, you may close with it, I
might, I might close with it.
That'd be a great close.
It's I think I mentioned thisin another episode recently it's
(34:05):
if, um, if you are surroundedby people that like aren't in
business or aren't in anythingcreative or whatever the the
middle could be so, um, hard forpeople to know, like, what to
do with it.
Right, cause it's like youcould be making a lot more money
if you did this or you could beway less stressed if you went
this way.
But, um, I think that's whyit's so important to surround
(34:26):
yourself with, like emotionallyhealthy people in that space, to
kind of mirror back truth orencourage or affirm that thing.
You're not crazy, you're notwrong, it's a normal part of the
process, all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Especially if you work from home or if you work by
yourself.
It's like I was telling afriend I was she's helping me
with some things, like a projectwe're working on, and I said,
listen, it is very hard for meto be my own hype girl.
Yeah.
To create, edit design, likeall of these things.
Like I am not that I am not myhype girl.
In fact, I tear myself apartmore than I hype myself up yeah.
(35:04):
So to surround yourself withpeople that can help you I mean,
that's the thing.
It's like consistency,discipline, everything that
we're talking about, and it isvery hard, and the only way that
I think that you can really doit is if you surround yourself
with community of people that,like you said, mirror back what?
Yeah, mirror back who you areand what you're capable of and
(35:26):
what you're, like I said, worthyof what you are, worthy to step
into.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
That's good, and I have to remind myself of that
story in my own life of like youknow, just a step of obedience
from years ago that I'm seeinglike the fruit of today.
And I guess I'll end this pointbecause there's other things I
want to talk to you about too,but with this story.
So my friend Aaliyah mylisteners, a lot of my listeners
, know her.
(35:50):
She's my brand strategist, mygraphic designer, website
designer.
My website was down and for thesilliest reason, I got scammed
a few months ago bank account.
It was a horrible situationdrained money like a whole nasty
thing.
Yeah, I was signing up for a newhealth insurance plan and they
got me so good, so good.
(36:12):
I guess for any other likecreatives, entrepreneurs, who
are like shopping for your ownhealth insurance, be so careful.
Because this ad came up forlike Anthem Blue Cross from like
the real Anthem Blue Cross, andI was like, oh, that actually
looks like a great plan thatlike we, whatever fits what
we're looking for.
(36:32):
I did like a Google search oflike whatever, just like Anthem
whatever, and this scam companyjerks paid for, paid for an ad
to be like the first one, likewhen you search anything like
that, but it wasn't likeactually them.
And we laugh about it now,because I fall for stuff like
(36:53):
that all the time.
But they, they were on thephone with me for like an hour
and a half.
They smooth talked me, theylike answered all my questions,
and then they were like, okay,now let me have your credit card
.
And my husband's like why theheck did you get the credit?
I was like because they weregiving me the best insurance of
my life.
But anyways, oh my gosh, that'sawful, katie, they got me so
(37:17):
good.
And anyways, we had to changeour cards.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I forgot to change it on ourwebsite host Forgot to pay,
forgot to pay.
Oh, no, I forgot to pay, forgotto change it.
No, you forgot to change thecard.
Yeah, shut my email or shut mywebsite down, right?
And so I'm like this is sostupid.
I'm like if you want 20 bucks,I'll give you 20 bucks, like
yeah, but of course it's thiswhole thing now.
(37:39):
And so I'm texting my webdesigner earlier.
I'm like you know what, aaliyah?
I'm like just keep it down,just shut it, shut it all down.
Let's just go work at an icecream shop together.
At least we'll be workingtogether.
We'll get ice cream every day.
So there for anyone listening,and if you followed to some of
(38:02):
the opportunities that I've been, like teasing or sharing, like
it can be both and it can youknow there are times where you
do have to stop.
You do have to stop and forceyourself into a heart space of
contentment.
You do because it's yeah, it'sboth and that's terrible.
I'm sorry, I'm still on that,that's terrible.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
I'm sorry, I'm still on that.
That's so awful that thathappened.
But then I totally get thecarrot that is dangled in front
of you where it's like well,everything is shut down, so
maybe you should quit.
It's hard, it's like maybe Ishould, and what we'll do is
we'll go, maybe I just need togo and there's nothing wrong
with having a corporate job,will go, maybe I just need to go
(38:45):
and there's nothing wrong withhaving a corporate job.
I have a lot of friends thathave corporate jobs and I the
the way that they're able toprovide for their family and
create some really coolopportunities and lead teams.
I want to.
I want to preface that isamazing and inspiring, so much
so that I'm like why am Iworking so hard when I could go
work for somebody else and makeway more money?
Like that temptation is so real, so honest, and I just, if
(39:07):
you're, if you are wrestlingwith that, uh, I would say that.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
You're right on track .
I've been there before.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I love this conversationand I always love you.
Know what's been a really sweetpart of the process for me?
I update my bio every year, um,just for like media stuff or
the website, and I updated itthis year and I'm like man,
there is like so much we forgetthe progress sometimes, Right,
(39:34):
and it's so.
That's my word for the yearRemember, um, when I was praying
about a word for the year, Ifelt like the Lord said this is
your year to remember.
And yeah, and so rememberinglooks like that, like looking at
all the growth that's happenedthat sometimes I'm blind to or
refuse to see because I'm soforward focused.
Or remember, remember beauty, Ithink, is something he's trying
(39:57):
to really do in my heart.
Even though seasons have beenreally tough there has been
seasons of trauma and regret andall those things right, there
was also beauty.
Beauty does not dismiss thehard.
It's just something that's alsotrue.
And so just remembering whatwas also there.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
So anyways, lots of little nuggets.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Look at us and our little nuggets of life
experience and wisdom.
Well, tell us a little bit moreabout God.
Hears Her.
You guys are on the brink of anupcoming season.
We want people to know about it.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Season 14, which somebody told me that the other
day and I didn't realize we wereon season 14, because we record
and we enjoy recording and thenup next thing.
You know, I'm like, oh my gosh,there's 14 seasons.
Uh, yeah, so we are coming intotheir 14th season.
I think it's like 200 episodeswe've done so far and since 20.
(40:58):
We started recording in 2019,but I don't believe we launched
until 2020.
Uh, and I'm so excited becausewe are having just really cool
conversations whether it's we'rehaving conversations with women
that are in the messy messinessof life, whether they're
authors or they're ambassadors,or they're women that or we've
(41:18):
done Bible studies that havebeen really cool.
We're doing Bible studies inrecording, and so we're
literally discovering things aswe're recording're doing Bible
studies in recording, and sowe're literally discovering
things as we're recording, whichis really fun for me.
Um, I really enjoy doing itbecause my two other hosts, uh,
that I do the podcast with arejust phenomenal women that know
the Bible and God like likescripture like the back of their
(41:41):
hands.
So, and the way that theycommunicate about God and the
Bible and authors, and the waythat these two hosts do I just I
love to learn from them becausethey're they're years older
than me and I have so much tolearn from them.
So that's coming up.
I lead, I lead a study which wasreally fun for me to explore.
It's actually on self-worth andlabels and lies and how we live
(42:05):
our life through lies, and I'mreally excited about that
episode that's coming out.
But, yeah, god hears her.
You know, we didn't know whatit was gonna be in 2020, and so
it's been really neat to see seeit evolve and impact the lives
of women in their daily life ofgoing to the grocery store or
(42:26):
like listening to as they go tothe grocery store or listening
to when they pick up their kidsor when they go for a run.
It's been really really neat.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
What a sweet platform .
I'll link that in the shownotes for anyone that's wanting
to head over there too.
It's funny to talk aboutseasons on shows.
So I find myself saying, likeon this season, on this season,
and people will ask me like, oh,what season can I find that
episode?
And I'm like I don't haveseasons.
Well, you said you did.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
So for anyone listening that is confused by me
and all of my words when I sayseason, I mean like when the
season outside changes changes.
That's what I'm referring to.
I actually totally resonatewith that, cody, because when I
was on a podcast and they said,oh, you're on 14th season and I
was like we are like because Ithink, like we record throughout
the year, I mean we record 365days, like not really, but but
like it feels that way, Like Imean we are always recording and
so we record like twice a week.
(43:30):
So in my mind I don't, I don'tsee seasons Like we're always
recording.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
So that word.
And then I say we, a lot like,like.
I'll say like we're excited tohost you, and people come on.
They're like, oh, do you andyour husband do it?
And they always call me out.
They're like, oh, you said we.
I'm like.
It's like I've heard otherbusiness owners do this.
It's not an intentionalmisleading, whatever.
(43:56):
Yes, I think I personify thebusiness.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yes, that's normal.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Yeah, I do that normal.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Yeah, I do that.
I say we all the time.
Now we do have a we, but likewhen I first started, there was
just me, and so it was like wemeaning me and my business are a
couple.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
It is a dysfunctional one, but it's oh, I love it, I
love it, I love it.
So funny.
14 season 14.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Yeah, it's crazy.
I I was looking at the notesfor season 15, I was like man,
wow, we've crossed over um amillion downloads, which is
crazy, oh huge, uh it's huge,yeah, just a very exciting
milestone.
Just to think, over a millionpeople are listening to it.
It's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Yeah, that's a huge, huge, huge, huge accomplishment
and definitely talk about likelaunch and strategy, like all
that stuff.
That's just, yeah, it's a hugeaccomplishment.
A lot of work behind that.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
That leads to that point.
Well, I'm just.
I just.
You know we've got a team.
A shout out to Mary Jo, jadeand Ann Stevens.
We're a girl team, that's.
What I love is that it's forwomen, by women, and it really
is so good.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Well, there are three questions we end each of our
conversations with, and I'd loveto hear your answers as well.
First one is something you haveeaten recently and loved.
Oh, could be anything, just ingeneral eaten yeah, a snack, I
don't care.
A good pack of gum, I don'tcare.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
What have I eaten?
Okay, so my husband's on thiswhole keto thing and we made
chicken nuggets the other nightthat are just made out of
chicken and cheese, and theywere so good they tasted like
regular chicken nuggets.
Oh, that was really good.
Oh, and an egg has an egg, egg,cheese, chicken.
Put it all together, makelittle balls, put it in the oven
(46:06):
and they are actually likechicken nuggets.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
That sounds great.
Yeah, I'm at that stage whereWesley's appetite is like
increasing.
You know he's like eating moreand I always thought I was going
to be that like everything fromscratch, mom.
I'm like, oh, I am not One daykid One day?
How old is Wesley A year and ahalf yesterday?
Oh yeah, no wonder I'd be thatway too.
(46:29):
Yeah, maybe a couple of years Iknow, Because that's who I was
before him and now I'm just likeyou get it.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
Yeah, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Yeah, how about a gathering you attended that made
you feel a strong sense ofbelonging?
And if you could pinpoint it,what it was that made you feel
that way?
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Ooh, you know I would say this is probably going to
be a cheesy response, but I Ilove our church so much and it
is a church that brings peoplein that are they don't care if
you're messy, and so I feel likeI belong every Sunday when I
show up Such a gift that's ahuge gift.
I have a lot of you're messy,and so I feel like I belong
every Sunday when I show up.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Such a gift, that's a huge gift.
It is a gift.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
I have a lot of church hurt too, and it's been
so redemptive for me.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
That's really powerful for people to hear,
yeah, as you're talking aboutchurch.
Last but not least, somethingyou have discovered lately that
you think everyone should knowabout a Netflix show show amazon
purchase.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Oh let me think net.
When you said a netflix show, Iwas like wait, um oh, uh.
No, let me think about this.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
I really want.
I really want this to be good.
Um, it's okay anything random Iknow I'm trying to think if I
have any while you're waitingthat's something that I
discovered.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
oh, you know what?
You know we just bought.
We didn't just buy this, but Ithink everybody should own this
if you like things that smellgood a candle warmer you never
melt down your candles.
So I got this thing on Amazon.
It's a little lamp, so cute,and you put a candle underneath
it and it heats the candle andit makes your whole room smell
good.
It's not like there's like themelts that you can get for you,
(48:18):
but it's not like that.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
I've never owned one.
Now that you say it, I knowexactly what you're talking
about, but I've never owned onenow I am now like I love them, I
absolutely love it.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
But then now this whole thing about like how
fragrance causes cancer and I'veread too many studies and now
I'm sad about it so I'm like Ihave to now get a healthy candle
I think did basics just launchone or just ingredients um send
it to me, just ingredients Ilove her, she, I've been trying
(48:52):
to have her.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
yep, just ingredients .
Um, she has incredible content.
If you're looking to kind ofmake the switch in every area of
your life, it's very likeuser-friendly and not a trillion
dollars.
You know, she has a candle.
Yep, yep, she is.
I'm looking at them right now.
That's so funny.
Good old social media.
I remembered her posting aboutit a while ago.
(49:15):
Yep, right here, that'sessential oils and coconut wax.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Ooh Okay, there we go .
I still love my candle warmerthen yeah, oh good.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
I love that answer.
I've been trying to give one ofmy own recently.
Oh, I am, yeah, what'd you do?
We're hooked on this show.
Well, I did love Megan Markle'sdocumentary, even though it's
getting a lot of hate.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
I watched one episode the other night because I was
so curious as to why people arebeing so mean.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
So I did find that there are quirks in every
episode.
Okay, definitely things whereI'm like okay, I know what
people are talking about, but Ialso think, just as a whole
hospitality is intimidating topeople and that's what I'm
hoping to change, yeah, becauseI actually found her approach to
be very approachable.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
I watched her like mix eggs with like this mixer
thing and I was like the way shedid.
It was like not professionaland I loved it, like I was like
that's what I would do.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
Like yes, I know, yeah, your point.
I know, yeah, I think I mightdo.
I had my computer out while Iwas watching it and my husband's
like Kate, you said you're notgoing to work when you watch TV.
I'm like no, I'm taking notes.
So I think I might do areaction episode, because I
(50:38):
think I think there's a deepreason why people are having
such a negative response.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
I think it's important for us to what do you
think you can edit it out?
I'm so curious.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yeah, people want to justify their busy lifestyle and
I think the enemy is reallytrying to keep us from the table
and from enjoying celebrationand from getting back to
extended time in that space andopen hearts and vulnerability
and authenticity and justcelebration of home.
(51:10):
I think celebration of home isa threat to people.
I think the whole like tradwife, if you've heard like
traditional wife it's this termon TikTok where, like any wife
that like makes her kids nicelunches or like um puts flowers
in our living room, you'recalled like a trad wife and it's
(51:30):
like where is the celebration?
Speaker 2 (51:34):
You know, um, celebration of home is not
perfection, it's, I think you'reright, though I think we live
in such a day where, like, wejust villainize, we villainize
people for how they want to dotheir life.
I know, you know, like she'senjoying making salt things.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
I know.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Those salt things.
I want to make the salt things.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
And then I want to ask people too, like have you
ever gone to someone's housewhere you've been a recipient of
that and you felt so like asense of belonging in someone's
home, like, like they, they maderoom for you, like they, they I
don't know if there's a senseof dignity, that I don't know.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
You really should respond.
I honestly it could, it could.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
I have been super um inspired by independent
journalists recently.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Love all the things right now, Like the long form,
what you said, individualjournalism.
I'm so inspired by Me too.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
That's why I'm like I feel like I could do this
pretty gracefully, liketruthfully, but gracefully yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
What was the?
Speaker 1 (52:38):
third, let's see.
You said you've discoveredrecently.
Oh, we talked about the candle.
I'll just ask you where to sendpeople.
So if anyone's wanting tofollow along more and actually
get a copy of your book, youcould talk about that if you
wanted to, or just send peopleto buy it, whatever.
Where do they get your book?
Where do they follow?
Speaker 2 (52:55):
you All of that.
Yes, so you can find God HearsHer at God Hears Her on
Instagram, godhearsherorg, tofind our podcast and all the
resources you can find me at soworth loving.
I'll be on both camps and inboth camps.
So worth lovingcom.
You can follow us at so worthloving and you can also follow
me personally, aaron Eddie E R YN E D D Y on Instagram I love
(53:19):
that name.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
It's super cute.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Thanks, no, Eddie is my maiden name and I love.
I loved it when I got it backafter I went through my divorce
because the meaning of it is astream that goes against the
current, the main current.
I just thought that that's sucha powerful visual and when I
learned that about my last name,I was like I have to keep it.
(53:42):
So when I got married again, Iasked my husband.
I said, babe, I'm going to haveto keep it.
Do you want it?
Do you want my birthday?
Speaker 1 (53:49):
Man, that's good.
So much power in story tellingstories.
So thank you so much forsharing yours.
We will tag all the things.
I feel like we referenced a lotof different things, but I will
tag as much as I could rememberin the show notes.
You guys can click and makeyour way there.
Be sure to tag us Screenshot ifyou listen to any of Erin's
(54:10):
episodes, and we will see younext week.
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