I love you - Cook Islands Ep 2 ft Billy Garcia

Join PD, Bran, and Chase and hop in the Survivor Time Machine with a very special guest Billy Garcia!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
My prize isn't even a million dollars. My prize was
that I fell and I fell in love in this
game Love It First Sight. Her name is Candice. We
love you, I Love.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
You Machine time Machine, time Machine, That time Machine, that
time Machine.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Get on to that.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Wow, what a song, Brandow, incredible record. This was my
first time listening to this. Yeah, I just want this
on the record.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
We Chase's pole plan was to play some sort of
racist Jeff song every week.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah, and we heard the first one, were like, hey,
cut that pivot.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
Yeah, and so there's a time Machine song, Survivor Time Shine.

Speaker 5 (01:05):
Yeah, excellent job. Welcome to Survivor Time Machine. My name
is Pete. I'm joined by Brandon, whose beautiful pipes you
just heard on this song, and by Chase Bridges, our
own Survivor history expert.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Today, I don't know about experts. Get a lot of
fun facts. I do have fun facts today.

Speaker 6 (01:21):
But the most important thing that we have today is
the voice that we heard at the beginning of the intro.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Ladies and gentlemen, we are.

Speaker 6 (01:27):
Joined by former Survivor contestant from Cook Islands, Billy Gorcy.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
He thank you for having me on.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
Oh, it's gonna be good. It's gonna be good, and
we want an episode to bring you on. Episode two.
It's gonna be a fun one. Is your episode, dude,
this is Billy's episode. They should have called it Billy's episode.

Speaker 7 (01:49):
Well, behind the scenes it did call it the Curse
of Billy the.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Billy Did we have a ton in common?

Speaker 6 (01:57):
We're all big pro wrestling fans, trained on the on
the indies for several years.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
You are a professional wrestler at least used to be right.

Speaker 7 (02:06):
Yeah, for eleven years.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
I was a professional wrestler trained under uh, the w
W Hall of Famer, the unpredictable Johnny Rods. He's the
guy who trained the Dudley Boys, Tobby Dreamer, Taz Yeah,
Matt Striker, you got that. Ecs a long list.

Speaker 7 (02:24):
His first student was Rowdy Buddy.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Piper Dang dude.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, a lot, basically a whole locker room.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Of w Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:32):
I was trained by a guy named and we can
cut this because this just does having fun. I was
training you know, Chris Hamrick, Yeah yeah yeah, trained Vetterian Curtsey,
Yeah yeah yeah, another e c W guy and x
p W.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Yeah, it's gonna be a good episode. I can already sell,
I can already tell.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
So where do where do we start with this episode?

Speaker 5 (02:52):
At the beginning of the episode, say because I know
what we all want to talk about with Billy, But
I guess we gotta wait, We gotta wait a little bit.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Can we talk really.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
Quick about a couple of things that came up in
episode one that we could perhaps get fact checked by
Billy himself?

Speaker 6 (03:08):
Yeah, So basically, last episode we talked about the first
episode of cook Islands, and before we even got into
the episode, we talked about all of the controversy surrounding
what the season is, which I imagine you get asked
about all the time.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
And one of the things that I brought up last.

Speaker 6 (03:22):
Episode was I don't think that these guys were told
what was going on until they got there. And I
even said, I think Yole is not happy about the situation. Well,
turns out I did some research. Yoll was very very
strongly considering quitting. And can you tell us a little
bit about what was happening when you guys found out?

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Did people quit? Do they want to quit?

Speaker 1 (03:46):
We were told the night before and I used the
term night before loosely because It was actually hours before
we were told midnight. One by one we were taken
to a tent and told individually so that our reaction
wouldn't wouldn't have a negative effect on our game. And
the game began at six a m. So it was

(04:07):
literally six hours before Wow. And I told Jeff and
Mark Burnett, Hey, this is great for you guys. You
guys are gonna get huge ratings. This sucks for me
because I'm like the least Hispanic Hispanic. I know.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, there there was a quit. There was a quit.

Speaker 7 (04:26):
There was a quit.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
She was a w NBA player who was on the
African American tribe, and she said that she had spent
the h her whole career trying to get away from race.
She wasn't about to go walking right into the whole subject.
So Sundra, who was a Final four player, was the

(04:47):
was the was.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
The ultimate dang dang dude. That's crazy. Good for her.
Good for her, I guess, good for her for standing
up for herself.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
And one of the things, Chase that you found in
your research was that a lot of the players were
recruited this season versus you know, signing up and trying
to get on the show. What were you recruited or
were you somebody who auditioned? I can't remember.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
I went to an open casting call at the Jacob
Javid Center, which is this huge place in New York City.
That's where Comic Con is held, so that's how big
it is. And they cut the line at five thousand
and the first time I went up. I actually went
up twice. The first time I went up, I knew
I blew it because the cameraman was shaking his head
no and rolling his eyes. And so I hung around

(05:34):
to take pictures with some of the former survivors that
were there at Judge Sargeant from Guatemala, he he you know,
he got real friendly with me and he lifted up
the rope and shoved me back in line. And former
Big Brother player Eric Kasha was the was the the
casting uh supervisor uh at the at that event, and

(05:56):
uh she caught me. So I was like, a crap,
this is gonna ruin me forever now. I won't be
able to come back even after this. So she pulled
me aside and she goes, so you really want to
be on Survivor, don't you?

Speaker 7 (06:10):
And I was like, yeah, of course, and she gave me.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Basically a rundown of what I actually do in front
of that camera to get on Survivor. And she says
that these videos are basically your auditioning the confessionals which
narrate the show. And if you could give us your
life in a sound bite by taking your your life

(06:35):
and making it into bullet points and turning those bullet
points into a run on sentence, you basically passed the audition.
So I went up there and I said, I'm Billy Garcia,
a Dominican New Yorker, a heavy metal guitar playing pro wrestling,
former marine. And they loved it because they got my
whole story in that one sound bite, which is what

(06:58):
they wanted. They didn't have to ask, They didn't have
to ask any questions. They didn't have to ask what
kind of hispanic are you? Where in America are you from,
what kind of musician are you?

Speaker 7 (07:08):
What instant you play? What kind of music?

Speaker 1 (07:10):
They didn't have to ask all these questions, which is
how how you narrate the show. You basically got to
put whatever question they would ask to lead off your answer,
Like if they say, like, like, uh, the question is
why do you want to be on Survivor. You gotta
start with I wanted to be on Survivor because and

(07:30):
that's how you get on the show. You you narrate
your life.

Speaker 7 (07:33):
In front of the camera, proving that you could narrate
the show.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Damn, that's awesome.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
And did you do you know, the when you go
in there, you do your your video the casting and
all that stuff. Were they casting for cook Island specifically
or was it just well, we like you and we'll
end up putting you wherever makes sense in the future,
and Cook Island just happened to be where you landed.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Well, I believe Cook Islands was already announced, but not
the not the twist, just the location. And so so
we all knew the location of where we were going
and and and uh, we were all doing research on it.
Like in the l A Final fifty when I went,
it felt like everybody had a book on the Cook Islands,

(08:18):
like that's what that's what they their downtown was spent
on just reading the history of the Cook Islands. When
when Jeff Propes, Uh, when I got in front of
Jeff Propes and Mark Burnett at the LA Final fifty, uh,
I could tell that for other people. They had like
multiple versions of those other people, like there were multiple poverty,

(08:41):
they were multiple uh nates. And I was looking for
the other version of me, and it was Mark Burnett
and Jeff Propes arguing over what happened to the other
versions of me or the other version of me that
let me know, the other version of me didn't make
it and it was only me. They were like, hey,
he ain't the gay rocker and Jeff and uh yeah,

(09:07):
def and some of the other stuff was like, no,
he fell off a while back. This is this is Billy.
This is the rocker, pro wrestler, marine guy, and was like, so,
then where's the gay rockers.

Speaker 7 (09:19):
He just kept going on about him.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
That's hilarious. Thank god the gay rocker just back. Yes,
we're talking to Billy.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
Or imagine a season where the marine rocker and the
gay rocker.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Well, then you guys could have had that the rock
and roll tribe, like you mentioned in.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
This episode, I tried to tribe that you wanted all
all all around.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
I'm waiting for for for a call. I'm waiting for
them to get ben and yeah, yeah, here's a bitch survivor.

Speaker 6 (09:48):
If you're listening rockers versus rappers versus jazz musicians.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Oh, we could take back.

Speaker 5 (09:55):
Yeah, there's a question that before we get into this episode,
we really need to ask you about a story that
Chase brought up. And Chase, I'll let you take it
away since you were the one who brought it to
our attention.

Speaker 6 (10:09):
Yes, so I found deep in the internet a story
that you told one time about being caught on fire
during the first challenge. Can you tell us a little
bit about that? Is it true?

Speaker 1 (10:21):
It's very true.

Speaker 7 (10:23):
And the person that published this story was there.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Whoa from people? Now, Yeah, I don't know if you
want me the name drops or whatever, but but yeah,
he was there, so he saw the whole thing and
that's why he published it because he knew it was true.

Speaker 7 (10:38):
He saw it with his own eyes.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
That was also what had happened was there was a
part in the first challenge where we had to paddle
out to the platform in the middle of the water
and there was this big barrel of kerosene and we
had to dip a torch and the kerosene and then
it was a fire on the side of it and
we'd light the torch and then take it all the

(11:02):
way back to shore, climb up this puzzle ladder and
light this coldron on fire, and that's how you got
a musing. So Christina, I think, was very unaware that
this platform was just floating in the water and wasn't like,
didn't have like stilts or something going down into the water.
So she actually tried to step onto the platform and

(11:24):
the platform just tilted slightly, but enough for the carrots.
Some of the carroats need to spill out and get
on my backside rear end. So fast forward to the
end of the challenge, and the rule of the challenge
was that the person with the torch had to go
up the ladder last. That wasn't like our idea, that
was just what Jeff and the challenge makers came up with.

(11:48):
So as I'm climbing up the puzzle ladder, it starts
to come undone, and that forces me to stop my ascent.
And so as I fixed the puzzle ladder, Christina was
very unaware that I had stopped my forward momentum up
and so she kept climbing and she lit my rear
ends on fire and Jeff, Jeff is literally like less

(12:11):
than ten feet away from me at the top of
the platform yelling bills up. He's in golf to the plane,
and in my head I'm like, crap, that figures. Yeah,
but I wasn't even worried about pain or anything. I
was just like yeah. So I looked down at Christida.
I'm telling Christina, hey, you're tying me, and she's like.

Speaker 7 (12:32):
Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
So I go. I finished going up the ladder and
Christina comes and stands in front of me, stares at
me like I think she's expecting me to drop dead
or something. And I look at Christina like, what are
you looking at? Don't wait? The challenge. So I patted
myself off, and I think cowboy, who was already up there,
give me a couple of pats. And then he got
pulled back by his own try.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
That is incredible.

Speaker 7 (12:57):
I got, well, you know this is the stranger pat.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yeah, it feels very.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
It's very proper.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Did he get the headache out of you?

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (13:06):
You don't pull your nose and give me the mark.
You gotta do that, you gotta get that out. I like,
I can't believe they did.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, yeah, well, you know, I think they were worried
about getting suit.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yeah yeah, yeah, But for us at home, there's no
there's no game on us where it's okay, they sets
up that fire, but for us at.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Home, and we're about to talk about the episode.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
But I'm watching this episode and everybody's like, Billy's a liability,
Billy's a liability, And I'm like, what are you talking about?
Billy's awesome and Billy got out on fire. If I
knew that Billy got caught on fire, I might be
able to understand the old Billy's a liability thing, even
though you're incredible this whole thing, Oh he got caught
on fire and the first thing, maybe we need to

(13:47):
send them home.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
I would maybe be able to understand it.

Speaker 4 (13:50):
But while I'm watching this whole episode, I'm like.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
What does everyone to deal with Billy?

Speaker 4 (13:53):
Billy's awesome?

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, well that that's Ozzy's whole thing? Is that uh
by leaving that out of the out of the uh
the edit because as he was actually he was, he
was talking about a lot of you know, an act
of mercy, mercy, and they edited that whole thing out,
and yeah, they definitely.

Speaker 6 (14:15):
And we'll talk about this because there's a moment later
in the episode that I think fully.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Encapulated, encapsulates the.

Speaker 6 (14:22):
Whole thing that we're talking about about who you are
as a person, but how you are perceived in the edit.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
So let's jump into the beginning of the episode.

Speaker 8 (14:30):
Yeah, let's do it. You know, I don't trust that Oscar.
I just want to say, but bring that up. Cowboys
removing headaches. He's given hes.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
He's Cowboys second time he's done the thing with the
headache and the person's been like, I don't have a
headache anymore.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
It's amazing, Like I am.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
So fascinated by Cowboy and his ability to get rid
of headaches.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Here's the thing about Cowboy.

Speaker 6 (14:55):
I one believe that he knows what he's talking about,
but it would be a hilarious bit if he's just
doing a prank.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
He's just giving people red marks.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah. No, they actually seen him do it.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Outside of the Survivor.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
He did it to uh to uh uh. Jeff put.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Worked that time too.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
It was like crazy, she she she had him.

Speaker 7 (15:19):
I think it was a mind grade.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
And we were at an event, at a charity event,
and so she was struggling to get through the event
and Cowboy did his thing.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
That's amazing.

Speaker 6 (15:29):
So before we even got to the cowboy part of
this episode, there's a part of the episode where we
see one of the tribes arguing about their living condition,
the White.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
Tribe or the Blue tribe. Cranky Adam. Yes, so Adam.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
Has Adam seen Survivor?

Speaker 6 (15:46):
No, And that's a big part of this season, which
is so many people were like found and they didn't
audition for the show. They didn't know anything about the show, right,
And Billy, you actually have a very fun story about
how some on your tribe had never seen Survivor and
actually thought that you all go to tribal no matter

(16:06):
who wins.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, that was uh JP who was born who was
born Juan Pablo and didn't like being Hispanic, so he
named himself John Paul and all the people in his
life he guy for for Navy for for naming himself
John Paul. So his solution was to rebrand himself as JP.

(16:29):
So he basically disowned the Hispanic race twice and he
got cast to represent that Hispanic race.

Speaker 7 (16:35):
So great Cats describing great Cat.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
So so this guy, we we win the challenge, the
first challenge, the one I was set on fire at
and he tries to bully me into voting out Christina,
and so to calm things down and humor him, I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah,
I totally have a reason to votere Rock. She set
me on fire. She was like and he was like,

(16:58):
what do you need a reason for? You said you
were with us, and I'm telling you the voter. I'm like, dude,
then I take it. I realized he's being serious. I
thought he was joking, so I really I realized he's
being serious. I'm like, dude, we're not going to tribal council.
Every tribe goes to tribal council. There's twenty us here.
How do you think we're gonna get down to one.
I'm like, dude, didn't you listen to Jim Bok? He

(17:20):
said all the teams that that winning munity don't go
to tribal council. The one team that didn't win community,
they're the ones that go. JP kept on and on
and on about how I have to vote Christina, and
then the end I got frustrated. I'm like, what do
you want me to do? Write the name?

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yeah, the nice woman who got shot?

Speaker 4 (17:44):
Ye like, we're going to tribal regardless of what justice,
we're writing your name.

Speaker 6 (17:52):
Down, darn it, which is very funny, foreshadowing to what
they do in episode two, which is we're going to
tribal no matter what.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (18:01):
Well, the the ironic thing.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
First of all, the reason why it was Christina is
because Christina was a cop who who was on au
Ozzy ye, So so the reason he was these two.
You know, it's gonna explode at some point, it's gonna

(18:23):
be We're all gonna be fosen.

Speaker 5 (18:27):
Place were I wrote in my notes Ozzie said he
gets a little pissed off at Christina, and it might
be because she's a cop, which makes sense if the
Johnny fair Play and Ozzie smuggling weed into Micronesia story
is true.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
I wasn't there, but I heard Johnny tell it and
it sounds very.

Speaker 6 (18:49):
But back to what we were saying, So the the
Blue tribe the White tribe are arguing about the living
conditions because Benner comes back from exile island and he's like,
this floor, we gotta do something about the floor. But
this other dude, what's his name, Adam Adam, He's like,
what's the difference between the floor and if we elevate it.
What's the difference and this guy's an which is the

(19:13):
fun reason to cast people who have never seen the
show get alter.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
This well, well, a little, a little insight. I'm actually
a really good, fun, very smart moron. It's Adam Adam.
Adam wanted to contradict basically everything that Jonathan said to
put Jonathan's back against the wall with the cry. So

(19:38):
Jonathan could have set up, Adam would have sat down.
Jonathan could have said forward, Adam would have said backwards.
So it didn't matter what Jonathan was saying. It was
always that Adam was gonna contradict.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
A strategic genius. My bad yo, shout out my boy
Adam Adam. I loved Adam from the beginning. Cut that
that thing I said earlier, get on.

Speaker 5 (20:05):
Social So does this take us into the reward I
mean immunity challenge next?

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Or do we have anything else to cover before that?

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Why do they need to do the immunity challenge?

Speaker 9 (20:15):
I thought everybody went yeah, everyone, Well, one thing that
I do want to talk about happens before you guys
go on the challenge is there's a moment in this
episode where you talk about feeling excluded from the tribe,
and looking back all these years later, do you still
feel that way or was it the kind of thing
where like I was hungry, I was tired. Maybe I

(20:35):
just saw it in a different light than I do.
Know he gets voted out in this episode, right, well.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
But I'm talking about feeling included.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
No, what I was getting at that was a little
piece of a much longer conversation, and I was referencing
the beginning of the game, before our feet ever touched land.

Speaker 7 (20:53):
While we were paddling towards.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
The island we were, we were doing the whole name
where You're from, and you occupy patient and we were
all taking turns while we were on the boat as
a quick get to know you, and I went first,
which was the most deadliest mistakes that maybe any survivor
had ever done in the history of the game. And

(21:15):
you would have never known it because it sounds so
innocent to go first and say, all right, the first,
my name is Billian from New York, and uh, I'm
a heavy metal pro wrestler. And then then Christina says, oh,
I'm a cop from from Santa Monica, and then that
changed that. That was like needle off the record moment.
JP was like, oh, I'm from Santa Monica. And Ozzie, Oh,

(21:36):
I'm from Santa Monica, and and Cecilia was like, well,
I'm not from Santa Monica, but I'm from Oakland.

Speaker 7 (21:43):
That's still California.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
Oh my god, we're the Kells almost from all California.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Is not fair. So so while they're saying out loud
that they're not gonna tell anybody that they're all from
California and that they were gonna stick together, I'm there
whacking my own head with the paddle over and over
here because I knew I was a dead man. It
was over. I hadn't even touched that yet and it
was over. And so that's what I was alluding to, Like,

(22:11):
I'm in Schoolia, I'm not from California. It's too late
for me to lie about it. And I guess maybe
I could have said, no, I met New York. I
love no Town near Baker's Field.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
Well, I love the idea of Billy going last and
being like, I'm also from California.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
California.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Well, and that's a big thing.

Speaker 6 (22:34):
And we talked about this a lot last episode, Like
I think it was fifteen out of the twenty castaways
were recruited from California this season, and the big idea
that they're showing us on screen is, oh, these people
are all similar because they had similar culture, because they're
the same races.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Right.

Speaker 6 (22:50):
And there's a thing that you talk about in this
episode where you said, you know, you consider heavy metal
almost your culture more than your race necessarily. Do you
think that that is kind of the biggest flaw in
the whole dividing up by race, because it's like, hey,
I don't get along with these guys.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
They all get along because they're from California.

Speaker 6 (23:09):
Maybe I need to be with the other musicians and
then I would feel more like I belong.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, I can't choose my race. I was just born
this way. This wasn't a choice. But I can't choose
like culture, and yeah, heavy metal is a culture. You
see people, how they dress, how they talk, basically what
their whole live is centered around. So yeah, that I
always consider that my culture. And that was my point

(23:35):
that Jeff and Martin win they pulled me into the tent.
But I would say for people who will struggle to
understand my situation, I would say, let's just imagine the
white tribe was four rednecks from Alabama and one Amish
from Canada.

Speaker 5 (23:53):
Yah.

Speaker 7 (23:53):
Yeah, and the homage they throw the challenge to get
rid of the homage guy.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
To get rid of the omis. Then it's obvious what's
going on here, right, You don't have to try to
paint the homage guys lazy or annoying or anything. It's
obvious what's going on.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (24:08):
So I feel like that's the case with me.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
It's obvious, except that, you know, because it's it's Spanish people,
Spanish speaking people, the assumption is, oh, you know, it
must be because he's lazy, or he's he's not American,
he's an emorgan or something. You know. People come up
with all different excuses. Why was me, No, it was
because you had four of a kind and then the

(24:31):
one by himself from the other side of the continent.

Speaker 5 (24:34):
Right.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (24:35):
So right before we go to the challenge is where
we find out that Ozzie wants to throw the challenge
to get out Billy Billy.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Do you have any idea this was coming? Did you
see this ahead of the time.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
I did not see this ahead of the time, and
it was edited to sound like it was Ozzy's idea,
it was JP's idea, and then Ozzy decided, Okay, we're
gonna do it as a mercy killing.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Interesting. Why did the edit want to dunk on Ozzie
so hard?

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Well, because the winners write the history books and Survivor
and Ozzy Ozzy made it all the way to the end,
So no offense to me and JP. It screw us.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
The stories about I got you, I got you, and
that probably Lucille.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Well, here's here's a little insight baseball for you guys.
He had never been called Ozzie before Survivor, really, and
uh really, and he he let it be known. And
me and Ozzy on the side figured out that he
got the nickname Ozzie not because Oscar is such a

(25:46):
sucky name, because it's not, but because it was a
wink wink, nudge nudge by the people behind the scenes
that maybe Ozzie and Billy, the guy who loves heavy
metal and loves Ozzy, should get together.

Speaker 7 (25:59):
And and yeah, if I would have never gotten set
on Fire, I think it would have happened.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Damn.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Wow, that's really interesting. Getting set on fire is a
very metal thing.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
That metal.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
It's pretty metal.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah, well, you know I could. I could always now brag.

Speaker 7 (26:14):
I was like Michael Jackson only got his hair set
on fire.

Speaker 5 (26:23):
It's also a very pro wrestling thing to get caught
on that. You mentioned the Deadly Boys Double Boys got
caught on fire.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, yeah, you know, and Nick Foley got speared through
a table full of on fire. So yeah, I was
definitely the McK foley of the season. I took all that,
That's right.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
So we get to the challenge and when you guys
are dividing up the team.

Speaker 6 (26:46):
We don't often get to see this part, but we
get to see you guys figure out who should sit
out and you say, and I quote.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
I should sit, I should sit, I should sit. I'm
like the worst with memory.

Speaker 6 (26:58):
Now, is this because you weren't and you were like
I can tell something's up, or were you just like,
I'm actually not very good at memorizing things.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Well, the reason, the reason why I felt that I
should sit was looking out what all the other tribes
had done. They had already they had already made up
their minds before Jeff had even gave gave us the
time to figure it out. It was it was we
were the last ones to figure it out because we
figured it out on the on the spot, and everybody

(27:30):
else had basically their their their A team out there,
meaning their best athlete, their their their their most balanced,
the the best at balance, the best at memory, the
best at everything. I felt like my strengths were in
other areas, so uh. And I also wanted JP because

(27:51):
I kind of had a feeling as we were heading
into Tribal that he was looking to sit So I
kind of wanted JP to admit out loud that here
he is supposed to be the monster athlete of our
team and he's choosing to sit out. So I wanted
him to admit that out loud.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
That's a good strategy.

Speaker 7 (28:07):
Yeah, it's a good strategy if everybody's not from California.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
Hey, did they I don't want to keep harping on
the fact that you got caught on fire? But did
they have to at some points? Did the producers have
to come around and be like, guys, you have to
stop talking about that because we know it's not going
to make it to air. Because if if I am
on the team with someone who's ass gets caught on fire,
I'm gonna be talking about that.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
All the time. Well, funny enough, if you compare if
you compare my shorts in the first challenge and the
second challenge, you'll see that.

Speaker 7 (28:44):
They're very different shorts. And that's because the first shorts.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Didn't make it. After the fire is setting, it didn't
make it. So if you look at the two sets
of shorts, they're very different. And yeah, at one point
we were arguing on the beach. This is on the
day of the of the of the final tribal, my
final tribal, my final day. We were larguing on the

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beach and we were bringing up a bunch of stuff,
that being one of them, and field producer David Burds
came running out to the beach saying, those are not issues.
Those are not issues, meaning that we can't talk about them.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
So that was basically my last my last gasp right
there was to say, hey, it's not fair that you
guys are are ending my game when it's your fault
that I got set on fire and got put in
this situation. That was my last gas, but now I
can't talk about it. Medicals are well, that season, medicals

(29:44):
were douchebags.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Man.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
I'm not gonna name his name because I don't want
him to have any publicity, and I give you a
total d bag. But he was like, he was like,
you look like you need some water, and I was like, yeah,
I could really use some water. I was just fucking
with you. There's no water. Oh wow?

Speaker 7 (30:03):
Whoa yeah yeah the guy to face.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah, light him on fire. I don't condone this all right.

Speaker 6 (30:16):
Now, it's time forever about his favorite part of the episode.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
We're gonna talk about the challenge.

Speaker 6 (30:22):
It is a classic survivor obstacle course where people are
tied together.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
But here's the twist.

Speaker 6 (30:27):
You gotta listen to a story from Jeff about Captain Cook.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Yep, I gotta man, Can I say it right now?
I don't know if this is a hot take. I
hate these challenges, Like, here's a story and you gotta
remember stuff. I don't care, Jeff. I want to see
people do fun stuff. I don't want to know you
talk about a story.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Here's the fun thing. Though, Remember how you brought up
that I was saying them I don't have a good memory. Well,
this story was was the crux of what everybody was.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Researching at the beginning.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
The book books out about the guy was back back
in the when they were back in the LA Final fifty.
So yeah, it's like we all knew the story.

Speaker 7 (31:07):
Light I was like, fuck, I know this already.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
I don't need to have a good memory.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
So so when you look at the book, is that
when you were like, uh, oh, I know something because
we all know the story.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
We all know the story, and it was Ozzie's idea goes,
I'm not gidding it, I'm not getting I'm like, oh yeah.
I was like, oh, something might be up here. There's
an outside chance that Ozzie's having like stage fright or
pretty cold feet because the challenge is on. There's an
outside chance of that that it might have messed with

(31:42):
his memory. But I'm positive, beyond a shadow of a
doubt that Christina for sure knows the story because we
had this conversation days ago about that story, not knowing
that that story was gonna be part of the challenge.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Wow, yeah, that's very Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
So in fact, Christina was the one who was tasked
with putting the tiles up for the answer to the
questions because she knew the story so well. Once we
got past that whole crawl under dive over, I had
the idea of when we could undo two tablets at
a time. Ozzy was on one end of the rope
and I was on the other end of the rope.

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So I went to climb up, and as I climbed up,
Cecilia and Ozzie pulled me down and I damn near
got decapitated. I had like a minor concussion because it
was like a flash of light when I hit the wood,
when my face hit the wood, And Cecilily even apologized
for me hitting the wood, but she kept on throwing

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the challenge and they wouldn't let me even climb up.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
At that point, your tribe lit you on fire and
concussed you and could cussed me and through the challenge.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Oh the worst part is the worst part is since
we didn't cover the first episode, our raft got ran
over by the ship at the beginning of that the
city was west between the ship and the raft, and
according to Jeff Pros, the way he saw it, she
was being sawed in half. I saw that she was
being turned like butter. But either way it was not good.

(33:15):
And me and Lucia saved her and we saved her life.
And this woman turns around and throws a challenge.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
Process Dang, dude, Hey, when you're on the path of
a million dollars.

Speaker 7 (33:26):
No sense of loyalty because they're all from California.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
They're they're Latinos from California, and I'm a Hispanic from
New York City and Latinos come from Latin America. Hispanics
come from the Caribbean. They're named after the island of
Espaniola where the Dominican Republic is. And to them, hey,
we're supposed to represent our race.

Speaker 7 (33:45):
He's not one of us.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Dang dang, that's the way.

Speaker 6 (33:48):
That's another big flaw with the way that they divided
up the tribes because they just kind of like even
with the tribe, they just throw all different races and
then there's like, yeah, they're all this, and that's that's
messed up.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Yeah, it was obvious why Cowboy was on the outside.
You have two Koreans, two Filipinos, and then Cowboy was
the one Vietnamese. So then what's going on there that.

Speaker 7 (34:11):
He's on the outside. Again, it's a racial thing. It's
the same thing with me.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
It's like it's so obvious once you took a look
at you know, and not treat Asian as a race,
but as a Asian as a region. It's a region.
There's a bunch of different people that make up Asia.
It's not just one type type of person. Same thing
with the Spanish people. It's Spanish because you got people
from Latin America and you got the one from them

(34:37):
from the Caribbean, the Hispanic and so it's it's and
then who was on the outside who who was the
villified guy?

Speaker 7 (34:46):
On the White tribe? It was the Jew was the
only Jew.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
You had one more, he wouldn't have been the villain.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
That interesting.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Wow, if you had one more, the villain would have
been Flicker. Flicker was on Let the chickens get away.
He's not the villain.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
That.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
I didn't even think about that. That's very interesting.

Speaker 6 (35:07):
So for the tribe, everybody's moving pretty quick. The Red
tribe is not going anywhere very fast. Ozzie is really
taking his time untying the different boards.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (35:16):
The Green tribe gets first place rail row, the Blue
tribe gets second.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
And then that's when Jeff makes a comment.

Speaker 5 (35:23):
Wait, can I can I bring up something about when
y'all were on the ropes, did Ozzie swing that thing?

Speaker 3 (35:28):
To throw you off.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
That's another thing that was edited at all. Ozzie was
swinging it like crazy. Not kept yelling Ozzie stops, stop
shaking the ropes, and the city will respond, I'm not
shaking the ropes like you're not Ozzy.

Speaker 7 (35:41):
Ozzy stops taking I'm not shaking the ropes. He was
very obvious, and it's a frizzy hair, you're not Ouzy.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
And so I wanted to make it really obvious that
my tribe was throwing the challenge. I did not want
it to to be a maybe hmm, maybe not could
it be maybe we've seen something that's not really happening.
I wanted to be woefully obvious because at this point
I knew that I was no longer playing for a

(36:12):
million dollars. I was playing for revenge.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
And I think that you achieved your goal of making
sure that everyone knew that they threw it.

Speaker 6 (36:17):
Because when Ozzie very obviously tries to knock all of
you guys off the rope ridge into the water, which
you do fall into the water.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (36:26):
Jeff makes a comment, it makes me think that he
was well aware of what was going on. He goes,
I too, is having a holiday.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Yeah, oh yeah, And well I was calling them out
during during the challenge at one point, and uh, Ozzie
was taking his sweet time untying the tablets.

Speaker 7 (36:46):
And by a sweet time, I mean Rarero.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
The White tribe had three tablets before we had our first,
so that that could that made it so obvious. And
then even then we were we were nipping at the
heels of the Heikey tribe, the African American tribe. We
were nipping at the heels until Ozzie started shaking the ropes,
which stopped all our forward progress. I'm at the back,

(37:12):
so it's not like I could even just just walk
around people because we're all tied together and I'm the
last one on the end. If we were not tied together,
I could have just walked around all the all of
the women and Ozzy and got off. And then it
would have made them look stupid, them being the only
ones just there hanging out on the ropes pretending like
the camp pack.

Speaker 6 (37:33):
You guys, being tied together or almost helped them in
their endeavor of throwing the challenge.

Speaker 7 (37:38):
Oh, it for sure it did.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
If they weren't. If we were never tied together, I
could have went and got all the tablets the mess
with that first one, so that tying us together handed
them the thrown challenge.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Dang, So the challenge is over.

Speaker 6 (37:57):
Obviously, the Red Tribe lose and someone gets sent to
Exile Island. Yule actually get sent to Exile Island, which
is a pretty big moment.

Speaker 7 (38:07):
And then we let me tell you that story.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
So my tribe wanted to send out him, okay, and
I had an under the table deal with Cana or
behind the scenes deal with Candace going back to the
Ponderosa where we had made a deal behind the bathroom
at the Ponderosa.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
What kind of a deal that you make.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
That's why the conversation with me and Candace happened. We
would We knew that this this race stuff wasn't gonna
last or this, so we we said that when it
came time for them to re scramble the tribes, that
I will pull her or she would pull me, and
that we would work together to get to the end.

Speaker 6 (38:44):
In the episode, we see that you are kind of
the one leading the conversation of who should get sent
to Exile Island, So you were trying to help Candace.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
I was helping Candas and I made a secondary deal
with it. I told Candace, I'm not gonna make it.
They just threw the challenge to get rid of me
and everybody but Flicker was listening. Flicker was in her
own world because that's Flick. But uh uh, but yeah,
Jonathan was in on it, Adam was in on it,
Poverty was in on it, and uh uh, it was Jonathan.

(39:16):
When I told him my tribe wants to send Adam
to exile Island, it was Jonathan was like, no, don't
send Adam. And I was like, well, you tell me
who you want to send the exile island, and in exchange,
vote out everyone on my tribes made you guys want
to get to the end anyway, so they need to
go vote them all out. And so that was the

(39:36):
deal with Jonathan, Candison and Poverty. H Adam was kind
of nodding his head, but I don't think he actually agreed.
I think he was nodding his head like yes, I'm
hearing you, like not necessarily like yes, I agree with you.
So I had to fight to send to send to Yule.
I had to basically blackmail my tribe. I told him,
if you if you don't let me send you. I'm

(39:58):
gonna tell everybody that you through the challenge, and I'm
gonna start naming names why you through the challenge and
how I got treated at all and back at the camp,
and how you guys set me a fire, like.

Speaker 7 (40:08):
All right, right, like just to shut me up.

Speaker 5 (40:13):
Man, you had the most insane two episode of art
in the history of Survivor. I think, like the absolutely
getting on fire can cuss just all the dynamics with
your tribe and everything, and it's just an incredible.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
You deserve some water at the very la you have
the guys some water you're making behind the bathroom deals
with the white try So let's get to it, Chase.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Yes, So this is the so okay, I was just
gonna say the iconic moment ye when Canadas goes we
love yea.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
That was her not response for from trying to make
me feel better for getting you know, the challenge throne,
for making.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
That deal interest.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
That was her way of saying that they all appreciate
the deal I just made to send Yule and not
send at him, and they were gonna vote out my
tribe and that I you know, from from my end,
I'm gonna do everything I can to help them.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
That that makes a lot more.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
So that was her way of cementing, like, we love
you because and here's that. So I said I love
you too, and I said I love you too. I
was actually saying it to the whole.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Tribe, right rights, because it did and I'll get to
the last park.

Speaker 6 (41:23):
Yeah, it did feel rushed because you look over at
the Blue tribe and you tell them I'm next, and
then Candace says we love you, and you say I
love you.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
So that does make sense and then you kind of
look down in his mind.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah, yeah, because I.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Was very curious, why you guys are they.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Basically cut out six minutes? They basically cut out six
minutes of conversation.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
That makes sense.

Speaker 7 (41:47):
That makes a lot of so that.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
You know, I understand in that, Like I said, the
winners write the history book. Uh, this is this is
my elimination episode. And six minutes of this one conversation
for a one hour episode. It's kind of ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
I have a question.

Speaker 6 (42:04):
Is there often times where you the four tribes are
just standing around kind of talking like that we.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Were supposed to be under under a gag order. When
they're under gag order. It means that's when the producers
tell us to shut up, they call a gag order.
Be quiet.

Speaker 7 (42:20):
Me and Canada's were two of the more fuck you
players out there.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
So we didn't care that we were in the gag order.
And then the conversation was happening between us. So you
get two players that have the fuck you attitude having
a conversation together. There was no stopping it. There was
there was nothing the producers could do, especially from my
point of view, where I'm basically they From my point
of view, the producers made it possible for my tribe

(42:46):
to throw a challenge by tying us together. If that
one thing, one aspect, wasn't part of the challenge, I'd
have been fine.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
We were having this conversation that very clearly tells the
producers and Jeff I think they might have an agreement
that was made before the season started. Did anyone come
up to you and be like, hey, you all can't
do that, Like you can't be talking about handshake agreements
that happened back at Ponderosa.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
No, Because when you're at the Pondorosa, even though you're
under gag order, they're telling you the game has already started,
So be careful your expressions, be careful what you say
to the handlers, be careful what you do. And that's Truely,
game had already started, there was It wasn't just just
me and Cansas Me Candis got the idea.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
From all Okay, we did.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
It wasn't an original idea.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
That's awesome. Did anyone smuggle any weed? No, no one
spuggled any weed.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
And no one smuggled any any What was it the
what was it that was smuggling at one time? No
one smuggled any any beat.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Beat?

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (43:57):
All right, So we get back from the challenge.

Speaker 6 (44:00):
We get a confessional from Ozzie where he says, Oscar, yeah, Oscar,
so sorry, so sorry. Hey, it sucks. But Billy dug
his own hole by not helping out. Well, this is
some behind the scenes baseball on our part. We also
have a Jonathan. We have a host named Jonathan. He
is not he's digging his own hole. He's not helping
out there. Should we cut him loose?

Speaker 7 (44:20):
You think, well, this is the narrative that got pushed.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Basically, they had two narratives that they wanted to push
on me. One of them you saw in the two
episodes and the other one you see in the recap episode.
So I have a completely different story in the recap episode.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
That's oh wow. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
And those are the two narratives. The narrative one of
the one that made the episode was that Billy, being
the heavier guy, was the lazy guy. The other narrative
was Billy being a Survivor fan overplayed and made too
many deals and they tried to play too too too
much Survivor too soon. So those were the narratives that

(45:01):
were that were being pushed. And so when not just Ozzy,
but all of us cut these confessionals, we were basically
cutting them twice, one for each.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Now interesting.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
So, so what you're saying is that you like it
does seem like you and Oscar had the potential to
have a friendship. But because at some point in time,
the powers that be thought about this type of narrative
where you're the lazy one, blah blah blah, they're kind
of trying to get Oscar Ozzy if you will, if

(45:35):
you want to, to say stuff like this, even if
he doesn't believe it. He they're kind of coaching him
to be like, hey, Billy's lazy.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Well, with with when you cut a confessional, you were
mandated to include the question at the beginning.

Speaker 7 (45:51):
Of your answer or somewhere in your answer.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
And when you hear the question, you know where they're
trying to lead. Like one of the more common questions
is is like, hey, why don't you and JP or
why do you think JP HD?

Speaker 7 (46:06):
So the first thing that pops.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Into your head is JPH, but you can't say that.
You gotta say, well, JP hates me because and so
that's the way you're let on, and they formulate the
narrative that way. The reason why they do this narrative
is because they know everything that's going on, and then

(46:27):
what's gonna make the edit and what's not gonna make
the edit just based on how long it takes to
tell that story interesting. And the shortest story they could
tell is laziness or overplaying. So I got Bud and
it was just a matter of.

Speaker 7 (46:42):
Which one, which one looked good on team Yeah.

Speaker 6 (46:44):
Well you talk about being seen as like overplaying, and
there's this moment right before you guys go to tribal
that I think shows exactly what kind of like like
a very good player you are.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
So the edit tries to make you look silly. But
when we visit your guys' beach.

Speaker 6 (46:58):
After the challenge, it's very clear that not only do
you know what's going on, but you're making strong strategic
moves to try to get out of the situation.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
Right like you know that they set you up.

Speaker 6 (47:10):
You tell Christina, hey, once I'm gone, you're next, and
they will throw a challenge to take you out.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
So at that point, did you think, Hey, I might
be able to dig my way out of this with Christina.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
If tribal council would have happened within that hour when
I made that pitch to Christina, JP would have went home.

Speaker 7 (47:30):
Not even if within the hour of when I made
that pitch, I had it done.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
But it wasn't. It was it was literally the day
of the challenge, you had the rest of the day,
and then the next day you had the whole day
until night time, and then tribal council.

Speaker 7 (47:48):
That was way too much time.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
And I think Survivor knows that or figured that out
along the way, that that's way too much time. And
so now they don't do that anymore. Now it's literally
the day the night of the challenge, they go to
tribal council and uh to cut out this this whole
problem of you you you work your way out of
the situation. The underdog is prevailing, and then it's just

(48:12):
too much sitting around and people contemplate and go, you
know what, we did all this work and now we're
not gonna go do with the plan. Let's just stick
with the plan.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Do you think you would have been able to pull
in Celia.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
In that case, in that moment, if we'd have went
within that hour. Cecilia was so loyal to Christina that
Christina could have said vote Karmick defrog as you would
have put a cart down.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Doesn't deserve that.

Speaker 6 (48:42):
Guys, before we voteut Kerma, we gotta catch him on fire, right,
he's gotta he's gotta get what's coming from before we
get to tribal I do want to talk really quickly
about you going to exile Island and just how much
better his clue was than Penners like gave it.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Figured that out, which I.

Speaker 5 (49:02):
Mean maybe it goes to Chase's theory about we don't
want the Whities to win.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Maybe maybe that too, Yeah, can you speak to that?
Did you feel like this.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Behind the scenes well, first of all, before I answer
that question, let me include the more inside baseball here,
and that all of the tribes after the challenge would
hear the clue. You didn't just hear the get the
clue when you were at Exis Island. They would really
Jeff Propes would hand a sheet of paper to the

(49:35):
person being sent to Exile Island. They would read the
clue out loud, and then they would include the clue
and his binder, and then they would take the binder
with them to Exis Island, and so we all heard
the clue.

Speaker 7 (49:49):
I agree with you at that second clue. I had
never been to I knew where it was.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
I knew where it was.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
I bet dude, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
I think I think they they they had it in
for Penner. I think they had decided before the season
even started that Penner.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Was the villain. Really, which is which is?

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Which is uh? Unfortunate because Peterer, I love Penner and
if you know we we we ever got to be
on the same tribe together. Out have totally been friends
with him. He is that cool of a human being.
But yeah, I think I think each one of us
they had an idea of exactly how we were going
to be portrayed out there. Uh, even though there was

(50:39):
conflict between some producers, and out of that conflict is
how Jeff Probes became executive producer because he was just
the host during this time.

Speaker 7 (50:49):
But the conflict that was behind.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
The scenes of no my guy, no, no my girl,
no my guy, that whole thing is how Jeff Probes
has sent it to the top. And so if you
look at all the media and Jeff Probe's uh take
on me, the previews like they always had me in
the middle of every picture, the tribe, picture, of the
cast picture, Jeff Prope Billy's gonna get really far. They

(51:13):
had big plans for me, and David Burris had an
under the table deal with with j. P. Calderon to
put JP Calderon on this AMC show called uh uh
modeling Agency. I'm getting the name of the woman that
Janice Dickinson's modeling agency. And he was put on billboards

(51:36):
for that show.

Speaker 7 (51:36):
And everything he was. He was just on a few episodes.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
So they had this big deal for him that Survivor
was gonna be his launching pad his reality TV career.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
John Yeah, insane. That makes sense because the producers. A
lot of these people were did.

Speaker 7 (51:58):
Yeah, it didn't work out for him because is to
be a big star, you have to have talent.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
And a yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
And the cell baby, Oh my gosh, that's good stuff.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
That's good stuff.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
So I guess you go to tribal now the icon
the most iconic, one of the most iconic moments.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Yes, well, you gotta start out with Jeff Prope's basically
leading Christina on. Do you guys remember that where Jeff
Prope was like, hey, Christina, you seem the the have
feelings for Billy or whatever the exact words worth.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Yeah, but yeah, he was.

Speaker 7 (52:38):
Trying to leave that on.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
That's because behind the scenes I had been prepped the
the proclaim I love for Christina. So apparently I was
unaware of this, but apparently this was something that they
had planned for down the road, that me and Christina
was supposed to have a show man. But now that
I'm being eliminated, we gotta hurry up and make that happen. WHOA,

(53:00):
I'm like, I don't know. So I go up to
Christina before tribal Council and told her about this, and
she was like, absolutely not her planet. The fly under
the radar. She she does not want to spotlight. She
thinks she can get far. Do not do this, and
she was very adamant about it, like in like, you know.

Speaker 7 (53:19):
She's a cop, she can handle herself, so you better
shut your undy type of way.

Speaker 5 (53:24):
Not only were they we want this this person to
go far, but they're like, we want this person in
this person to be in a show mance.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
That feels like a lot of meddling.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Yeah, yeah, Well they cast personalities that they know will
mesh and no will not mesh, and no will mesh
in certain ways. We get these big psychological tests testing
that happens during the gas thing, and it's sure part
of it is to make sure that you don't commit
suicide out there because you've been rejected. But the other
part of it is because they basically want to know

(53:56):
exactly what's gonna happen so they could be at the
right place at the right time. They you know, the
the as big as the crew is out there, they're
not omnipresent. They have to know basically what to expect
so they can be there already. They could be there
with cameras, with microphones, they can have hidden cameras set up,
hidden microphones, set up Yeah, for for that to happen,

(54:17):
they have to have an idea what's what's gonna happen,
when it's gonna happen, and where it's gonna happen, and uh,
instead of instead of looking down at them and saying, oh,
it's a work, No, it's it's it's it's it's a shoot.
But it's a shoot that they know so much about us,
that's simply by putting us together they know exactly how
it's gonna go. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (54:42):
I was about to say, do you know how happy
it makes me to hear somebody work to work work
and shoot into us?

Speaker 4 (54:46):
And so at what point did you, Billy, did you
pivot and go, well, I I'm not gonna profess my love, uh, Christina,
I'll pivot and profess my life for Candice, even though
like you knew that you meant I love you and
talking about the group. But I guess at some point

(55:08):
you were like, I guess I'll use this and I'll
pivot it. Like what was your thought process there? Because
it makes for great TV and it makes it seem
like you're really quick on your feet.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
It does. I was in the middle of talking about
my how rebellious I am and how anti established, anti
establishment I am. As I'm saying all this, Jeff Probs
is like shaking his head, no, like, don't say any
of this, either because it's not going to be used
or because it's not good for for my character on

(55:38):
TV or whatever. And so as he's shaking his head, no,
you can hear me, I hit a dead stop in
the middle of my sentence, and then that's when I.

Speaker 7 (55:47):
Had the do you know what, I don't care about
this moment?

Speaker 1 (55:51):
And I was like, as a after rebellion, my prize
isn't even a million dollars. And then you hear me
stutter because I'm making all this up as it's coming
to mind. I stutter when my words don't exist in
my head yet, when my mouth is ahead of my head.
And so I was stuttering trying to come up with somebody,

(56:14):
and then that's when it hit me that I had
this conversation with Candace. And so that's when I threw
the name Cannas out there, and Jeff.

Speaker 5 (56:22):
Put his hand up to his mouth and then I
rewound it, you know, several times, because first I saw,
you know, it was you saying it, and then then
I know Jeff's reaction, and then I noticed I think
it was Cecilia.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
She also had quite the reaction to it as well. Yeah,
well she was.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
She and Christina were reacting to Jeff and Jeff was
reacting to me. So that was that was the domino effect.

Speaker 6 (56:45):
My favorite part is done. Jeff goes, are you being
sincere right now?

Speaker 3 (56:51):
And you.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Yeah, Well see that was a throwback to something I
thought was gonna be okay, And that's I used to
I used to tell a lot of jokes out there,
and some of them were really bad dad jobs, and.

Speaker 7 (57:10):
Ozzie's way of reacting to like this is corny.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
It was to say are you serious? And then I
would I would respond with part of the part of
the joke. Ye just added to the punchline. So I
thought this was gonna make the edit. When I said,
I'm thinking so, I thought we were doing that bit
between me.

Speaker 5 (57:32):
And Jeff, it becomes this like top ten all time
Survivor moment that nobody can forget.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Well, I've set for nineteen years now that Survivors editors
should win the Emmy for Reality TV Editing every year
because what they do is nothing short of magic. How
they're able to craft the story even when they they
they made a oopsie and they weren't in the right
place at the right time. Somehow they're able to frank it,

(58:02):
edit a confessional and narrated anyways. So they they are
so good at what they do that to me, they're
the star of the show every season.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
Nice.

Speaker 4 (58:15):
Now, I know, like, obviously some things have changed. You
mentioned Jeff's now EP and show it like they don't
recruit people anymore.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
It's all kind of this audition based stuff.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
Are you able to watch Survivor knowing so much about
how the sausage is made even though some stuff has changed?
Are you able to still watch it and be like
as glued to it as we are or does it
enhance your viewing of it? How do you like still
handle watching the show knowing what you know?

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Well, first of all, I've never missed wow ever, dating
back to the first Survivor episode.

Speaker 7 (58:51):
Yeah, so never missed an episode.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
And I meet a crap like out of the seven
hundred plus I've had to have met close if not
sarpastics under already, So I meet so many that when
I'm watching this, I'm watching this knowing that I'm gonna
meet them, or at least so many of them, And yeah,

(59:15):
I could pick up on certain things, and then there
are other things that you know, quite frankly, Survivor editors
have gotten.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
So good at that even I can't see it.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
And I have to be told by the people that
were there. They have to tell me no, no, no,
that didn't happen in that order. This part happened first, actually,
and then that other part happened. I'm like, god it
so yeah, but yeah, it's great to meet the people
and actually hear all the behind the scenes stuff here

(59:46):
their perspective, because sometimes it is just a matter of
of point of view.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
And uh, you know that old Obi Wan saying the truth,
It was the truth by according to a certain point
of you. I probably watched that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
Yeah, yeah, but I know.

Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
You're talking about like I can see the Wan and
the the lava planet right now.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
You lied to me after he told him his father
killed killed, you know, was killed, but Darth Vader, that
Darth Vader is his father. To me, what I told
you was true, Okay, yeah, so and so that is
every Survivor that's ever played. So there the truth is

(01:00:31):
actually points of view, and the winner is the point
of view you get to see the edit interesting And
so now meeting past survivors get real.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
Now as somebody who uh played what would be considered
old school Survivor, there are a lot of like Survivor
mega fans are like new school Survivor that the that
doesn't count, it's not real, it's dumb, Like what what
are your thoughts on that? And how the game is
kind have evolved over time less days? Uh, stuff like that,

(01:01:03):
like how how do you feel the game has evolved?

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Well, first of all, everybody that's played the old school
will tell you that the first six days, first six
to eight days are physically brutal because your metabolism does
a belly flop, like you're in a new climate, You're
you're well a bunch. I have to get into it
and ruin it for Survivor because they like those belly
flops of they like seeing people throw up and look sickly.

(01:01:29):
And then the person, the person who who struggles the
least when it comes to that that whole change of
metabolism is the person that looks like an all star
right from the get go. They make everybody else look
like the standing still. And that was the secret sauce
to Ozzie's success is that he spent so much time
as a surfer outside that his metabolism was completely unaffected.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Oh so everybody did have to go without weed. I'm
sure that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Having said that, that dude and no lie, that dude
could look at a leaf and tell you what plant is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
What.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Well, I was like about to start fire, and he
looked at the leaf, he goes, this, this is hibiscus.
This is what you want to start fire. And I
looked at the leaf and I go, how do you
tell this leaf from this other leaf? And boy did
I regret asking that question. He's he turned the leafs
around and look at the pain. Look at these days
go this way and they're this color and.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Even yeah, climb, he was born to play. And I
just want to say, my favorite Survivor player of all time.

Speaker 7 (01:02:31):
Yeah no really, wow, he's odd. He's his favorite somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
So much, at least the two people who think so fantastic.

Speaker 7 (01:02:42):
Yeah right, so so yeah, to answer your question, what
do I think a modern survivor.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Some of as it exists? What I what I I
really love is that the episodes are ninety minutes because
with these ninety minute episodes there's less behind the scenes
and more made to edit.

Speaker 7 (01:02:59):
So I would I would prefer that, and the people
that was like, oh ninety minutes or too long, I'm
like you fake?

Speaker 5 (01:03:05):
Hell yeah, Well, Billy, I have an interesting question, who
is your favorite Survivor player?

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Well, going into Survivor Cook Islands, that answer was very
different coming out of Survivor Cook Islands. So going into
Survivor Cook Islands, Uh, my favorite player was actually Rob
c Robino okay, And I tried to be Yeah, I
tried to be a bit of a no no the
game will kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Player like he was Amazonian horn Dog.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
My season was just not the right season before that
for that game style, that gameplay style coming out of
Survivor Cook Islands. And to this day, my favorite player
is Hno.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
He's a great one.

Speaker 7 (01:03:46):
He's the kind of guy that could talk a tree.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
It is your favorite show than Nanny?

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Yeah? Yeah, my favorite movie is not a no but
or down Paris. And he also didn't write the Watching
the Yelly you got the name wrong?

Speaker 6 (01:04:05):
Well that I think John's been either directed or wrote
that horror movie from twenty sixteen, The Bye Bye Man.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Oh yeah, well he's talented. He's talented.

Speaker 7 (01:04:13):
There was a time, way back in the day when
we first came off Survivor.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Where he and I used to email each other and
uh and uh, I had my ideas for for a
horror movie and uh he was he was mostly known
for comedy stuff up to that point.

Speaker 7 (01:04:31):
So I'd like to think that those emails might have.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
There.

Speaker 7 (01:04:37):
I like that at least got him looking at that direction.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Fantastic. This has been so much fun. This has been
so much fun.

Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
I don't want to cut Does anybody have any other
Billy questions?

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Now?

Speaker 5 (01:04:46):
I don't want to take up any more of Billy's time.
He's he's gracious enough to do an hour and tim
with us.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
Belly, When are you gonna come play a show in Greenville,
South Carolina?

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Can we come see you? Wow? Yeah, Well of course
you could always come see me. Yeah. I'm trying to
get my band the finished working on his fourth album,
that We that has been kind of in stasis for
a little bit. We we kind of hit a creative
rut maybe and a little bit of lineup difficulty, and
that our drummer left and so uh yeah, so we're

(01:05:18):
trying to get it done anyways, but as soon as
we get it done and we'll start the shows.

Speaker 7 (01:05:23):
And uh yeah, I love the Carolinas.

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
So I can't wait to come back next week guys,
and talking about episode three.

Speaker 6 (01:05:36):
Yes, thank you so much, Billy for being here with us.
Been a ton of fun. Hey, keep your pants from
being on five.

Speaker 7 (01:05:44):
I will do that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
And uh a little inside note, A little inside note.
That third episode you're about to watch is the first
time in Survivor history up to that point that eliminated
player was a focal point of at least third of the.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
I'm looking forward to rewatching. All right, all right, it's
gonna be a fun one.

Speaker 5 (01:06:03):
It's a weekend. But at least I got one Queen
Ballard line. I had to get that in there somewhere.

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
A lot of all right, thank you, Billy, appreciate it, man,
Thank you for having me on. Thanks for listening, or
don't listen. It's really up to you at this point.
It's at the end of the show. I mean, you're
listening to me. Hi, But here they come. I promised
they're coming. Yep, here they are. Happy Days

Speaker 5 (01:07:06):
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